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1. Why did you delete my page when I hadn't finished writing it?

Answer: Don't create new articles unless you are sure they meet wikipedia's criteria, particularly notability and verifiability. If you want to practice, there is the sandbox facility and Wikipedia:Articles for creation where you can get a second opinion from a more experienced contributor. And if you really can't help yourself, use {{underconstruction}} so other people will know you are still working on it.

2. Why did you delete my page for advertising? I wasn't trying to advertise!

Answer: Read Wikipedia:NPOV for guidance on how to word an article so that it doesn't sound like an advertisement.

3. Why did you delete my page for advertising? It was about a non-profit organisation!

Answer: Non-profit organisations advertise all the time - it's still promotion and the rule applies to them just as it does to commercial bodies. See no 2 above.

4. Why did you delete my article without warning?

Answer: Because you are not entitled to a warning if you don't follow the guidelines. See no 1 above.

5. Why didn't you do a google search and find references for my article and put them in for me instead of just deleting it?

Answer: Because I don't have time to do the boring bits for you. I have enough boring bits of my own to work on, thank you.

6. You have a very interesting view of neutrality. The authors you give credence to have a definite point of view and you discount those that disagree.

Answer: There is of course no answer because this is not a question. It's a snide comment added by someone who doesn't understand the NPOV rule. Possibly a Ricardian revisionist.

And please SIGN YOUR POSTS, otherwise I don't know who is asking me the question!

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Mary Seymour, Duchess of Somerset/Mary Webb, her descendants and her ancestors[edit]

While I was linking pages to your article about Mary Seymour, Duchess of Somerset, I discovered somehing interesting. In the family trees of the sons of duchess, her paternal grand-parents are listed as "Sir Francis Popham" and "Helena/Eleanor Rogers." This is strange, given the difference in surnames. Meanwhile, her mother in law is listed as "Laetitia Popham." Meanwhile, the family tree of her grandson Edward St Maur, 11th Duke of Somerset lists Francis Popham and Helena Rogers as the parents of Laetitia. I believe that this last one is the correct one. Is it all right with you if I edit the family trees of the duchess's sons, even if I don't have the evidence ready to back up the changes? Best regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 19:41, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Teahouse discussion[edit]

FYI: Wikipedia:Teahouse#Disruptive administrator - what to do?. – Joe (talk) 05:25, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw it. Deb (talk) 06:49, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Continuing problems[edit]

Hi, I don't know if you are still involved with the problematic contributor but the discussions at Talk:Julian_F._Everett suggest that things are not improving. - Sitush (talk) 11:37, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

symphonova - speedy deletion[edit]

Hi Deb, I created a post for a system that I felt warranted information - this was flagged as advertising and a conflict of interest. I admit that I saw a performance of this device, although I am not affiliated with it. I looked online for more information, couldn't find a Wikipedia page and felt that it warranted inclusion on Wikipedia, but this was deemed a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. I'm not entirely sure what constitutes 'notable' rather than 'advertising' and still feel that the system warrants inclusion in Wikipedia. I'm presuming that the biggest concern was linking to the system's company web page itself, which can be seen as promotion? I was padding the article, as I wasn't sure how long a new entry should be - and so was adding information about the developer (taken from the website) and as much information / as many citations as possible. Would a shorter entry, that doesn't link to the company website itself be a possibility? thanks robert Hylandrobert (talk) 10:18, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


Thanks for your speedy reply! That makes me feel better - I hate the idea of 'doing something wrong,' and tend to get anxious. Thanks for moving to the sandbox, and I'll write a shorter entry. Hylandrobert (talk) 13:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Page review request[edit]

Hello, would you please review a recently created page Dallara Stradale? Thank you.U1Quattro (talk) 15:52, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

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Aija Nagle-Izaks[edit]

Hello Deb, would it be possible to switch the article of Aija Nagle-Izaks to draft? I really do not know her and I would do all to change it so, that it will be ok. I am waiting for a positive answer, Lulanep — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lulanep (talkcontribs) 16:36, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Continued violation of WP:HOUND/inappropriate deletion of Born Park[edit]

You are continuing to edit and tag nearly every article I'm working on. You obviously want to drive me out of the project with all possible methods. Stop that NOW.--Greywin (talk) 20:36, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Complete nonsense. I check your edits every so often because I know that you have made unreliable edits in the past. You should be thanking me for fixing your errors. Deb (talk) 11:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
I never made unreliable edits, but you did, or did you forget your "small mistake" ;))) at Talk:Jörg Kastendiek. --Greywin (talk) 19:19, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
You mean the one where two experienced users corrected you and you continued to claim that you understand English better than either of us?
Everybody sees who is right there and how the discussion with you and your buddy ended. Stop twisting clear facts.--Greywin (talk) 23:21, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Now you deleted Born Park, a reputably sourced article about a public park, that was in NO WAY advertising anything! It just described the non-commercial, state-owned facilities of the park. Above that, your behaviour is a blatant violation of WP:HOUND, which is also valid for you.--Greywin (talk) 19:19, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

You mean the article with a single minor reference to a tourist website, advertising the state-owned facilities? Oh, nearly forgot, you added a broken link after I tagged it.
I recommend that you restore the reputably sourced article immediately or at least restore it and start a regular AfD discussion. Please also note and act according to WP:ATD in the future, which belongs to the basic rules of the project.--Greywin (talk) 19:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Your peremptory manner will not help you get your own way.Deb (talk) 21:30, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
The guidelines of this project are not "my own way"! You think you are above the law? Why? You are obviously misusing admin rights here, deleting a reputably sourced article just to hit me. Everybody can see that this is either because of your personal revenge campaign against me or to push through your political agenda (or both). Where are your arguments, why did you delete the article against the guidelines? The factual reasons for a speedy deletion are exactly zero.--Greywin (talk) 23:17, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Indeed - everyone reading this will recognise the facts of the matter. Deb (talk) 07:49, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, they will see that you are discussing without any arguments. Again, why did you speedy delete? Because a public children's playground and a public swimming pool were mentioned in an article about a public park? I am urgently waiting for an answer which includes facts.--Greywin (talk) 18:43, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
(stalking) It can't be that urgent; you've been banging this drum for nearly 72 hours now. ——SerialNumber54129 18:47, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
In fact, Greywin, while I'm here, allow me to expand upon my remark. In that 72-hour period, you have accused User:Deb of WP:HOUNDING, WP:ADMINABUSE, and a failure of WP:ADMINCOND. Now, these are all egregious digressions from expected admin behaviours on Wikipedia, so I suggest you start a thread at a relevant noticeboard to resolve the issues you have raised. Alternatively, you could cease the accusations and do something else. ——SerialNumber54129 18:54, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I have the right to get an answer which includes facts and arguments rather than philosophies about someone's "behaviour". A reputably sourced article was deleted without any reason. By the way, do you have facts and arguments to add to the discussion? No? Well, good bye then. Oh,and please read the page that you linked closely and recognize that I'm NOT a "talk page stalker". But are you? The page says that a talk page stalker "answers or adds input to threads in which the stalker is not directly involved". That's exactly what you are doing here. And be calm, I'm thinking about some of the measures that you suggested.--Greywin (talk) 18:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Err, yes, that's exactly what I am, and exactly what I am doing; well done. The point is is that you have asked your questions, and Deb, per WP:ADMINACCT has answered them. She is under an obligation to respond to your queries; she is not under an obligation to do whatever you want, or to agree with you. So, having asked your questions, and, as you see it, not received a satisfactory response, you must now take this elsewhere. PS: as far as further reading goes, this might also be profitable. ——SerialNumber54129 19:02, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
The point is that Deb did clearly NOT act according to WP:ADMINACCT. This admin is hounding me for months, attacking me, bullying me, editing every article and talk page, making strange edits in my articles, adding false tags. Now even deleting a properly sourced article! And maybe WP:BOOMERANG could help this administrator more than me. Regarding your input here: it's really strange that people defend "authorities" misusing their power and twisting facts and guidelines. But who cares about guidelines when it's for a certain "good cause"?! Or why are you here? Defending a buddy?--Greywin (talk) 19:27, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Fraudulent sources / WP:SNEAKY vandalism[edit]

Mill 1 (talk · contribs) is a fairly prolific contributor to both DOY pages and year pages. It looks like he's been adding quite a few bogus sources that don't support the material he's been adding. I could use your help in dealing with this WP:SNEAKY vandalism and tracking down all the BS he/she has added. See User_talk:Mill_1#Info_not_found and the following section. Toddst1 (talk) 19:25, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Now being discussed at WP:ANI. Toddst1 (talk) 19:46, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Truly stupid person[edit]

Every so often, some truly stupid person tries to get into my Wikipedia account by sending a "forgot password" message. What these dumbos seem not to realise is that the new password will be sent to me, at my own e-mail address, not to them. So it doesn't work. If you are one of these idiots, don't waste your time. Deb (talk) 20:32, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Scottish viscountesses[edit]

A tag has been placed on Category:Scottish viscountesses requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. AusLondonder (talk) 21:21, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for Born Park[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Born Park. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

edit war[edit]

Please read wp:consensus.Slatersteven (talk) 14:06, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I'd suggest you read it and then tell me where the consensus for your edits is coming from. Deb (talk) 14:08, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
You are trying to push material into the article Immigration and crime in Germany which is not connected to the subject for political reasons. And then nominate the article, a clear revenge action to my edit and again part of your WP:HOUND campaign...--Greywin (talk) 15:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
For goodness' sake, give it a rest. Deb (talk) 15:54, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
You should. Stop your campaign against sourced information you just don't like. Stop using the banner of "neutrality" to push unconnected material into articles. And stop your personal revenge actions like the deletion of Born Park, weird tagging, editing and so on.--Greywin (talk) 16:24, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
He is not alone in seeing your AFD as wp:forumshopping, this will not go well for you, please stop. Here is some help for you, search in goggle for "links between the immigration crisis and Germans racist past" and see if it brings up any hits. That is how you should be improving the article, finding RS that actually say what you want to say.Slatersteven (talk) 10:05, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
"This will not go well for you" sounds like a threat. If you check out my history you will find that things seldom do "go well" for me in deletion debates. Administrators with actual experience of deleting articles rarely join these discussions (I rarely do myself) and the empty vessels usually make the most noise. Your mistake is in thinking that I am going to stop doing the right thing just because I've been accused of doing the wrong thing.Deb (talk) 10:15, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
It is not a threat it is a warning, you are making PA's and casting aspersions, you have been accused by an ed not involved in this dispute of forum shopping on an AFD. If this kind of behavior continues you will end up with someone reporting you, and your attitudes and actions are not going to go down well. You need to stop assuming that everyone who disagrees with someone of your edits is a racist who wants to whitewash racists actions. All you have done is antagonize at least one ed who actually thought you had a valid point, but is now very dubious as to your real motives.Slatersteven (talk) 10:21, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
You're mistaken in thinking that the ed who made the accusation is not involved - he's up to his eyeballs. I've been reported before, for many many reasons. After all the years I've been here making useful contributions, I'm really not troubled by that possibility. Deb (talk) 10:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
You as an admin are constantly violating WP:ADMINACCT and WP:HOUND. This not only the wrong thing and unuseful, it is a problem for the project.--Greywin (talk) 15:10, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hi Deb, Thank you for defending me during the ANI discussion last week. I'd like to apologize to you personally for any errors in DOY that may have been the result of my practice. Again, in all we're only talking about 34 entries but it was sloppy on my part nonetheless. Cheers, Mill 1 (talk) 12:45, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

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Page review request[edit]

Hello, can you please review a recently created page Ligier JS2 R? Thank you. U1Quattro (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I think someone did it while I was off-line. Deb (talk) 20:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

The page has not been reviewed yet. U1Quattro (talk) 04:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

It has - there's no tag on it to give me the option. Deb (talk) 10:07, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Precious[edit]

"I have enough boring bits of my own to work on, thank you."

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Thank you for starting articles on women before Women in Red was invented, such as Anne Neville in 2002, leading to Adelina Zandrino in 2018, for the foundation of Gothic architecture and Suffragette, for dealing with drafts and deletions, for COI and advert awareness, - Deb, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Page review request[edit]

Hello, can you please review a recently created page Dodge Viper (ZB II)? Thank you. U1Quattro (talk) 17:56, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of BCN Drone Center[edit]

Hi, You recently flagged a page for BCN Drone center for speedy deletion. My business has a page in Catalan already existing in Wikipedia. (Link: https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcelona_Drone_Center) All i want is to add an English translation for the same so that the English speaking audience will be able to view it easily. Could you suggest me how to do this by putting it on my talk page?Bold — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prakharkamal (talkcontribs) 19:26, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Paint chat[edit]

You might want to take a look at the isketch article as well. --sciencewatcher (talk) 15:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Page review request[edit]

Hello, can you please review a recently created page Alpina B4? Thank you. U1Quattro (talk) 04:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

it's not unsourced its on the wikipage if you just look... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shallow Lord (talkcontribs) 15:31, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Minnow[edit]

I threatened to trout you, and here it goes with a minnow.

Follow me to join the secret cabal!

Plip!

I once gave someone a whale for creative shouting in a way that was even more disruptive than block capitals, which was using 24-point type.

By the way, at the top of your page, you have stupid arguments against deletion, and I agree with you, but will note that one of the hostile questions amounts to point 5. Oh well. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:19, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Page review request[edit]

Hi there, can you please review the page Wasabi Technologies, Inc. once more? I'm curious what specifically would make it a COI or an advertisement. Thanks! Roger Bevins The 3rd (talk) 21:08, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@Roger Bevins The 3rd: When you answer the direct question you were asked, about whether you have a connection with this company, I will tell you whether you have a COI or not. Deb (talk) 08:34, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
@Deb: Apologies, I didn't recognize the notes on the page as questions, let alone direct ones! I was asked by my employer to make an assessment on the viability of multiple cloud storage platforms. Backblaze, Google, AWS, Wasabi, Microsoft were the main ones we looked at. I had been looking at Wikipedia for a while and wanted to start contributing, noticed that the other platforms had pages but Wasabi did not and decided to add it since I had a lot of fresh knowledge in my head. In my opinion, they're a notable company, but that may just be my opinion! If this warrants a COI tag in your opininon I'm happy to add it. Just hoping to learn the ins and outs a bit better. I also noticed you cleaned up the article, which I appreciate -- I'm going to look into the comparisons to see what I can learn :). Roger Bevins The 3rd (talk)

Swift Sensors -- need your help, Deb[edit]

Hi Deb,

You helped me out > 8 years ago, and this is my first time needing it since then.

You are the only Wikipedia admin I "know", so I hope it's okay that I ask you ...?

I just had another Wikipedia editor flag the new Swift Sensors page I created 'for speedy deletion' (it's still up).

He said two problems, which I believe I’ve fixed

1) copyright infringement from a particular publication. <--I didn't think I did so, but do be conservative, I removed all but one minor reference from that publication. 2) self-promoting. I originally had 800 words, did a close review and removed 300 words to remove anything that I felt could possibly be interpreted as self-promoting (it's my first time someone has said that, but I take it seriously, as self-promotion is a pet peeve of mine also).

I've sent a note to the user User_talk:Praxidicae, and put my comments on the talk page for Swift Sensor.

Can you help me out? This is my first time I was ever created marked for 'speedy deletion'. (the last time we connected 8 years ago was for an existing page I didn't create that someone else flagged, and I fixed it).

Are you able to review the page and participate? You were very helpful the last time…

Mukis Mukis (talk) 19:18, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Deb.

Can you give me a link to where the draft page is, so that I may submit it for review? I couldn't find it ( I actually started to do a draft page, but was using the new visual editor and just too much to learn at once).

Mukis (talk) 19:41, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

It's on your Talk page: Draft:Swift Sensors.Deb (talk) 19:52, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I've just submitted it for review (I'd already spent almost 3 hours carefully editing the original page this morning following the flag. I will keep you posted. Mukis (talk) 20:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

wikipedia edits[edit]

thanks for the message i have little or no interest in becoming an editor on the web site wikipedia. thanks in advance please use your experience and make the articles based on the 120 references and news line available on the topic. --Sunlinestar (talk) 19:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I think that's just as well. Deb (talk) 20:37, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


Bankset[edit]

do you oppose the bankset article, please confirm here on my talk page if you oppose de facto ? or shall i proceed and start the article again.? please restaure the draft page and the 40+ references listed there to avoid a rewrite. thanks for you understanding i confirm am not related to this team only an engineer at the engineering institute and want to disscuss the topic with the scientific community --Sunlinestar (talk) 13:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I think it's very clear that you don't understand the basics of Wikipedia and it would be better if you don't attempt it. Deb (talk) 13:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

November 12 and November 13[edit]

I'm not sure why you put indefinite protections on these articles. I think a shorter protection would be sufficient because it won't attract as much traffic after today. I'm not sure if it was a mistake or not. — MRD2014 Talk 14:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@MRD2014: I'll review that later. Deb (talk) 15:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Second opinion[edit]

Hi Deb, I was wondering if I could ask you for a second opinion about this. The other editor and I have a bit of a history about the article as documented on the talk page. I suspect there may be vested interests at play, too. Apparent WP:SPA. Cheers! pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 15:01, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Why not say that blogs are not considered reliable sources...[edit]

and let me try again with one of the MANY other reference pages I found, instead of just blocking the page down so I can no longer include my event? Is the Wikipedia link for PhONEday not reliable either? It was also previously approved by someone else - is this some sort of crusade against events you don't believe in? Ridiculous.

http://www.telephonesuk.co.uk/history.htm

http://www.rod.sladen.org.uk/renumber.htm

https://www.numbersupermarket.co.uk/history-01-numbers/

http://www.lightstraw.co.uk/ate/tao/traffic/phoneday1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.134.190 (talk) 08:35, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

When you say "my" event, do you mean you have some kind of vested interest? Because that would be a conflict of interest. Deb (talk) 09:16, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

No - that wasn't great wording. The PhONEday event. The event I wanted to add to the page. Why lock down the page now so I cannot add it? What do you have against the PhONEday event? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.134.190 (talk) 11:26, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

The page is not locked to everyone. Get yourself an account and you'll be able to edit it. Deb (talk) 12:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)