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Welcome[edit]

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Note being on the welcome committee, means I'm volunteering to help new comers as needed. I suggest email as the better method, as I can see you've learned already, there is a lot to learn.

For starters, click my signature's blue side, and steal whatever links catch your fancy. If you have a question, the green goes straight to my talk. I have a traffic light there showing (usually correct) if I'm near or on the computer. Best wishes, // FrankB 16:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Yoel Razvozov[edit]

Hello Deborahjay. I have started a discussion re the category at Talk:Yoel Razvozov. Cheers, Number 57 23:15, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello[edit]

My pleasure, and thanks for the thanks.

Any chance of some help here? --Dweller (talk) 10:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Here's the folk etymology provided by Haaretz (English edition):

Isaac Herzog, 53, is better known by his nickname "Bougie," which he was given by his Egyptian-born, French-speaking mother, who combined the French word for doll, "poupee," with the Hebrew equivalent, "buba," but he prefers to be called Isaac when speaking with English-speakers or foreigners, not its Hebrew version, Yitzhak.

I'll add it to the page too, though I'm unconvinced by the supposed mashup of the two words indicated. Somewhere I vaguely recall "bougie" as-is courtesy of that same francophone mother, but perhaps that's just my imagination? -- Deborahjay (talk) 10:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and while I'm being cheeky, is there anything much in the Ivrit Menachem Banitt article that isn't in the en:? --Dweller (talk) 10:32, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

By length alone it does appear so, though the typical lack of citations on the WP HE page leaves me wary of adding much that can't be verified elsewhere, either in English or French (I can't function in Flemish/Dutch... how do the Belgians cope with their WP wants and needs anyway?).
Timewise you've caught me (ahem - us) at the start of International Women's History month with a backlog of selected articles to improve and translate - so your request is noted and duly shuffled lower on the GotToDo list.
The good news is that last month I left my almost-full-time job at the GFH Archives for the sake of freedom to spend my time at a select set of other pursuits, both personal and public, the latter including WP. The timing was coordinated with my attaining eligibility for the inelegantly titled Old Age Pension, a modest sum meaning I still must freelance (or feelance as a colleague calls it) translating or editing plus a few days/month at the museum. A cheery situation indeed! -- Deborahjay (talk) 10:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Just marvellous all round. Thanks and Happy Purim, --Dweller (talk) 12:12, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Please...[edit]

Before someone ends up permanently with some ghastly nonsense on their body, could you weigh in again at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Hebrew. Ta. --Dweller (talk) 15:42, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Hmph! The putative someone would IMO deserve the consequences of what I referred to as "reverse cultural appropriation" - I added my response bulleted under "Hebrew" and in the edit summary besides, both of which will likely be overlooked. Here's hoping that good taste and sound judgment will prevail. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 19:13, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Jewish Art Music[edit]

While I don't necessarily disagree with your decision to move this article, I think it was improper and precipitous to do so without raising the issue on the talk page first. Had you done so, I would probably have suggested that the article be expanded to include Jewish music that was not written by the St. Petersburg group - music by Copland (the Vitebsk trio), by Milhaud, by Bernstein, and so on. That is no longer a possibility because of the new name and lead.

In the future, I suggest you discuss actions like this before doing them unilaterally. Regards --Ravpapa (talk) 18:32, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Please pardon me, Ravpapa, for what was indeed an unduly hasty process and quite uncharacteristic on my part. I was acting somewhat under duress, having been recently introduced to a group of Hebrew Wikipedians whose activity on this very topic I was approached to translate for incorporation into the English-language Wikipedia. The Hebrew page in question, whose title translates quite literally as Jewish art music, is far more comprehensive in scope. This prompted me to Move the previous page here to a more specific title. This is the sort of explanation I'll now add to Talk:Jewish art music movement as well as Talk:Jewish art music (which is presently a REDIRECT page). My newly increased activity in the Hebrew WP, valuable as this is, is hugely demanding of time and effort I'd ordinarily spend on more thorough work in English, besides placing me far outside my personal comfort zone. However, the exigencies of bringing Jewish and Israeli content to the English-language readership, with the increased possibility of its further translation to other language projects and readers, speak to my personal values set. So I appreciate your calling me to order regarding the preferred process of revision, and I assure you I intend to restore order and expand content accordingly as befits the pair of pages. -- Deborahjay (talk) 19:44, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
ETA: See Talk:Jewish art music movement#Jewish art music: Page Move to Jewish art music movement. -- Deborahjay (talk) 20:44, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Apology accepted, of course. I looked at the Hebrew article - it is full of stuff I didn't know about, very interesting. But also problematic. First of all, it is very thin on documentation - the whole last section on "Canticum Hebraicum", for example, is completely unattributed. Also, the article ends at mid-18th century. If we want an article on Jewish Art Music, we need to include everything that happened after that - works with specifically Jewish content by Halevy, Joachim, and others. We need to think about what to do with Sulzer - whose compositions were liturgical by definition, but in fact clearly in the tradition of Western art music.
User:Smerus has been doing some work on the article on Jewish music, and we have briefly discussed what needs to be done in the field. Maybe we should think about a sort of colloquium on how we want to organize all the stuff on this topic, before you start churning out the hours in a major translation project.
Just a thought. --Ravpapa (talk) 04:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
If I can barge in -- as Ravpapa states, there are anyway significant predecessors to the Russians in Jewish art music - I would mention for example Isaac Nathan and Charles-Valentin Alkan - whom I don't see on the Hebrew page either.....--Smerus (talk) 05:43, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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My grandparents met in Andijan[edit]

Hi Deborahjay, my grandparents met in Andijan as refugees from Poland during the Holocaust. They got married there. They then traveled back through Europe as they were resettled in numerous cities including Breslau, Poznan and Stetin before ending up in DP camps. You updated the Andijan page with a reference to the influx of Jews to Andijan in 1941. I was wondering if you could help point me to some of this research as I'm very curious to learn more about life there during this time for refugees. I looked up the reference for the Ghetto Fighter's House Museum Archive but I was unable to find the reference in File no 2165 that you documented. Perhaps this is only visible in-person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jongraf82 (talkcontribs) 19:19, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Off topic at RDL[edit]

As I'm sure you know, there is no end to such a discussion, so I'm not going to continue it there, in an unrelated thread, in tiny print. You felt I shouldn't go unanswered, I felt Dodger67 shouldn't go unanswered, and Dodger67 felt StuRat shouldn't go unanswered. I'll say only one more thing, and that's that experience tells us there is zero chance of reaching any understanding on these issues—the two perspectives are unreconcilable and there is no interest on either side of seeing things from the other perspective. That pretty much ends the debate for me, and this will be my only comment here. ―Mandruss  12:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Kindly understand that I felt your response on RD/L was dismissive of an issue that can be read otherwise, so I added content I felt was germane. If you've read it, you've seen that I disagree also with your "zero-chance" assessment. Perhaps it would better be discussed at the RD Talk page, and I'm considering moving it there.
Something more pervasive is at stake that I'll describe here (hoping you'll read it despite your last sentence, above): Recently concern has been expressed in numerous Wikipedia forums (e.g. on Facebook and mailing lists, that I know of) that there's a gender gap in Wikipedia participation besides in content, skewed towards the male. While we can't expect a sudden correction of millennia of bias to quantitatively equalize biographies of notable people in all fields, we can do something about participation. I saw an OT response ridiculing women on a Refdesk I frequently peruse (H, L, M) and on which I often contribute - and pardon me that I don't recognize your User name among the regulars - and I chose not to be silent. I tried (and it took me an overlong time to edit my response before posting) to make some cogent remarks on the matter in hopes that lurkers will read it. Because I have a personal stake in certain highly contended topics that sometimes arise, it's a quick place to possibly have some influence. -- Deborahjay (talk) 12:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Viennese Waltz has already started a thread at WT:RD, attempting to extract an apology from the offender. I would hope any further discussion there could at least be limited to this specific case, as any larger debate would be out of place there. The chances of seeing my wish come true? Probably pretty slim, as most people seem unable to keep things in scope around here. Just my advice. ―Mandruss  12:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

yi-1?[edit]

Surely you're better than that? Anyway, can you input at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Borscht_terminology_in_Yiddish? Ta. --Dweller (talk) 15:17, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Hello, could you do me a favor, please?[edit]

I'd like to respond to the Hebrew tattoo issue, but I cannot, because the page is semi-protected, so could you please copy my following response from your page to the Language Reference Desk? After you copy my response, you can remove it from your page (if you want to). My response is as following

Hi there, a native Hebrew speaker is here. The tattoo undoubtedly reads "Muhannad Amir" (Hebrew: מֻהַנַּד אַמִיר). The first word is an arabic first name, the second word being the surname.
Two questions have still remained: 1. Why does this Arab prisoner use Hebrew letters instead of Arabic letters? 2. Who is Muhannad Amir? He cannot be the prisoner, because thanks to this page supplied by User:Basemetal in their second response, we can also discover the prisoner's name: Ahmed Bani Jaber.
As for User:Dweller's hypothesis that the prisoner is Yigal Amir: This is impossible, even theoretically (hadn't we known that the prisoner is an Arab whose name is Ahmed Bani Jaber), because Yigal Amir is an orthodox religious jew, whose religion forbids using tattoos (Leviticus 19 28).
As for User:Akld guy's hypothesis, stating that maybe the word on the right represent a date written in Hebrew letters: This could theoretically be a possible option, had he been a religious orthodox jew, because religious orthodox jews tend to use the Hebrew calendar whose dates are written in Hebrew letters; However the prisoner is an Arab, so why should he use the Hebrew calendar?
As for Akld guy's second hypothesis, claiming that maybe the prisoner uses Hebrew letters in his tattoo in order to indicate his prisoner number: In my view, he wouldn't have done that, because of two reasons: 1. Modern Hebrew uses Hebrew letters as numerals in very specific (and rare) cases only, e.g. when indicating dates of the Hebrew calendar, and sometimes also when printing ordinal numbers of pages of books (e.g. "עמוד כג" i.e. "page Kaf Gimmel" meaning "page 23"), and sometimes also when indicating ordinal numbers of footnotes or of paragraphs and the like, but Modern Hebrew never uses its letters as numerals in most of the cases, including the case of indicating prisoner numbers. 2. Why should a prisoner indicate his prisoner number on his tattoo? Tattoos are usually intended to perpetuate or to immortalize something, aren't they? But I don't see why any prisoner in the world may want to perpetuate his status by a tattoo, which will be hard to remove (if at all) in the future, while he's looking forward to getting released as soon as possible. 87.68.54.45 (talk) 10:26, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

RD deletion[edit]

Hello, I deleted the post and your well-intentioned reply. This is just childish trolling, which we normally delete on sight. Best wishes, --Viennese Waltz 08:39, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

@User:Viennese Waltz, thank you for hailing me here. I'd noticed two other editors had deleted the post on sight with the first edit summary of "troll" - and now your delete has also been reverted twice. Here I don't see the usual trollish "Why do scholars have a bias against NS Germany / Holocaust revisionism / your choice", so I decided to try another tack, which is that the poster has a problem with WP therefore no other responses are required here. I didn't suggest posting elsewhere (frankly I'm not sure where...which is what I wrote.) I'm interested in knowing what method would be more effective than the loops of sequential del/revert, until, what, an admin blocks the offending account? Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 08:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
ETA: I see that user account with its four a/m reverts has indeed been blocked. -- Deborahjay (talk) 08:58, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
I don't think there are any more effective methods than del/rev and block. That's how we deal with these people around here, and it's pretty effective. Cheers, --Viennese Waltz 09:13, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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Spotted you on the Misc Desk earlier[edit]

Thought you might like this --Dweller (talk) 14:20, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Shalom from the Hebrew Wikivoyage[edit]

Hi Deborah. I noticed that you helped develop the English article about Akko in the English Wikivoyage. Since you know Hebrew too, I just wanted to invite you to help expand an article or two at the Hebrew Wikivoyage. I have been one of the leading editors at the Hebrew Wikivoyage for a long while, and although we have accomplished quite a lot over there, our little community of editors hasn't grown much in the recent years, and therefore there is only so much content the few active editors can produce alone. If possible, please help expand a bit one or two of the Hebvoy articles about your favorite destination/s. Thanks in advance. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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Greetings[edit]

Anything we can collaborate on, at the Pritzker pages? Seems to be a lull in progress. Cheers. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:20, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Bielski Partisans members[edit]

Hi well Colby here to talk about the so called Bielski Partisans which was run by the Bielski Brothers during World War II, apparently some famous guys are needed to be told, Meyer Bronicki is one of them and was also a member to Tuvia Bielski's Partisans one of his men, Jack Kagan is also one of them, Pinchas Boldo is another member also, Mike Stoll is another one needed to be told, plus one guy in that unit who told the story is Peretz Shorshaty, he was famous for his artwork cartoons he did drawings of the Bielski partisans it's important Peretz Shorshaty gets put on this Wikipedia since he was famous who lived to tell the tale, although his character in the 2008 Defiance Film dies on screen right which is odd because in real life he lived, yeah it's important more to tell Peretz's tale, also Beryl Chafetz is also another man needed to be told,

Also David Bielski the father of the Bielski brothers who was murdered is needed to be told, Leah Johnson also is needed to be told of her story, Lea Friedberg also is another Jew with her story to be told, Sonya Oshman is also another to be told of her tale, Ruth Lapidus also needs to be told, another Bella Goldfischer is also another Jew with a tale when she was aboard a Death Train someone opened the doors, she also escaped to koin the partisans, Ann Monka I think was a sister of Bella and she survived as well, also Sol Lapidus also needs to be told he's also one of the most famous that will need to be told, so yeah what might have to be told is they're famous to the Bielski Partisans during World War II, Trooper201 (talk) 06:26, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Ion Ianoși[edit]

Hello. Thanks for that editing. I think you are right, I'm usually confused when it comes to nationalities and ethnicities and I just though that Israeli is a better word to refer to a Jewish person, but thanks to you I've learned that they are not the same thing.--MJ for U (talk) 10:44, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Asian 10,000 Challenge invite[edit]

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Jewesses[edit]

I too was a bit surprised to encounter the word Jewess. My first thought was that some readers would likely take at least mild offense at it. This led me to the speculation that User:InsaneHacker might not be a native speaker of English—or at any rate not from the U.S.

As an armchair linguist I've lately become much more sensitive to, and fascinated by, pragmatic considerations.—PaulTanenbaum (talk) 14:01, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

@PaulTanenbaum Pardon, when have I used that word? What is this about? Respectfully, InsaneHacker (💬) 15:35, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
@User:insaneHacker, Sorry, my mistake. An entry in the language reference desk does so, and somehow when I cut and pasted I grabbed your name, rather than that of the actual (anonymous) editor. Please accept my apology for the confusion.—PaulTanenbaum (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Ah I see, no problem. Have a nice day Face-smile.svg Respectfully, InsaneHacker (💬) 15:51, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

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Ynes Mexia[edit]

Hello Deborahjay. Lovely to meet you! It looks like you did some really wonderful work on the page you shared for Ynes Mexica we have her on our list of pages to add additional content to, although it certainly looks like you were very thorough! I didn't know about Mexia until very recently; one of my colleagues mentioned that she came to botany later in life and was by most counts a colorful character.

Thanks for the support of the work I am doing! Wikipedia is such a great and supportive community--I'm really happy to have found everyone here. Best of luck with what looks like a great deal of wonderful and detailed Wikipedia projects! Please do not hesitate to reach out again in the future. Emjackson42 (talk) 22:49, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

International Holocaust Remembrance Day[edit]

I saw your posting on the main page errors report, and was going to respond to you there, but the thread is gone, so posting here instead.

Decisions about what runs on the main page are based upon two things. The first is the importance or notability of the topic. Everyone agrees that International Holocaust Remembrance Day is an extremely important and solemn topic so that is not an issue. The second criterion is the quality of the Wikipedia article itself. In this case, the article could benefit from additional citations of sources, plus it is unbalanced in that it focuses heavily on how the Remembrance Day was commemorated in a couple of specific years but certainly could benefit from updating.

Different editors feel differently about how to balance these two criteria of topic-importance and article-quality. If it were up to me I might have linked the article from the main page based on the first criterion, downplaying the second one, and hoping that seeing the article might have led editors to improve it. Other editors balance the factors differently and in recent weeks, several of the people who are most active in selecting the content for the main page have been working to improve the level of referencing in all articles linked from any portion of that page. Sometimes that means not including articles that would surely be worthy of including if the decision were based on the importance of the subject alone.

In my time on Wikipedia, I have worked with all the editors who posted in the errors thread, including David Levy, Black Kite, and The Rambling Man. Sometimes I agree with their opinions about things and sometimes I don't, but all of them are respected Wikipedians and none deserve the type of accusation you made. You can rest assured that the decision not to include this particular article on the main page this year was based on the same type of discussions that are taking place every day regarding all kinds of articles. It was not, to any degree whatsoever, based upon anyone's denial or trivialization of the Holocaust or the importance of never forgetting it. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:44, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Deborah,
In case you missed my reply at WP:ERRORS:

  • I personally removed the link.
  • I'm Jewish (on both sides of my family).
  • My paternal grandparents were Holocaust survivors (and most of their relatives were far less fortunate).

I hope that this dispels any notion of Holocaust denial or related biases playing a role in the link's omission. —David Levy 23:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

ListeriaBot is making destructive updates[edit]

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Not quite, Ipigott. Deborahjay was editing wikidata but seeing her items removed from the Listeria list. The cause was that the list was limited to 1000 rows (slightly less - I'm thinking it selected 1000 Female/Israel items, then deducted those with en.wiki articles, for a total of iirc 887 rows). I've now removed the limit=1000 and per my explanation on VP/T, Deborahjay's edits can now be seen in the list. We could do two or three things to diminish the sort of uncertainty which has afflicted Deborahjay such as 1) note in the explanatory text of redlists that have limits, that the limits in place may lead to recently edited wikidata items falling off the lists 2) work out if we can force the sort-order of the select such that the presumably edit-timestamp-related current sort is removed, meaning that edited items will not fall off the list 3) remove the limits 4) add a note to the explanatory text suggesting that anyone with problems comes to WT:WPWIR rather than elsewhere. Deborahjay - please let me know whether the problem is now sorted for you; thanks. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:20, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your clarification, Tagishsimon. From what you say, it looks as if you have sorted out the problem. I see that the list now runs to over 2,400 items compared to just 1,000 earlier. I must say I have not followed the technical development or performance of ListeriaBot but it certainly looks strange to me to see that it was failing to list Wikidata additions. I must say that when I have updated Wikidata details, they have always been reflected in the Listeria updates but that may well be because I have not been working on lists exceeding the prescribed upper limit. As you suggest, it may be a good idea to expand the explanatory note at the beginning of the longer lists.--Ipigott (talk) 13:47, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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Khartal page[edit]

Deborah, article of Deutsch wiki is pleasantly meticulous, but I'm a beginner in that language... --Opus88888 (talk) 21:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

It's best to ignore The Rambling Man[edit]

He's apparently just here to cause trouble. StuRat (talk) 21:47, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Not true StuRat, you're here for social media affirmation, I'm here to improve Wikipedia (let's compare contributions, shall we??), while Deborahjay accused me of being a Holocaust denier. Stay out of it unless you have something actually useful to add, which on your form guide, is highly unlikely. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:56, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, if I intervene, but I think I have to. I do not see any harassment in pinging. I always thought it is a very useful instrument to get people know you answered them. Isn't it invented for that very useful purpose? It's called communication, you know. As for other things, why that unexpected out-of-place fuss? We were very politely and routinely discussing a very small linguistic issue. You suddenly created a drama from nothing bringing some of your personal grudge into an entirely unrelated discussion. Your comment was rather mean and out-of-place, utterly overreacted. If you have some problems with an editor, don't bring your conflict everywhere around, have it out somewhere in appropriate places.--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 09:19, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
For the avoidance of doubt, and for both of you, no more pings, or you will be reported for harassment. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:08, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Do not worry I do not want to have anything to do with you. You will do us a favour if you ignore us, very bad persons, in the first place, as it was you who overreacted and started that drama and actual harassment (and not what you call a harrasment, nobody did any harm to you). Nobody surely invited you for that. And yes, some more such dramas from nothing out of place you will be most certanly reported at ANI, not to an admin, who seems to be tired of and does not want to mess with you.--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 16:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
You don't have the first idea what you're talking about, but why let that get in the way of a good story and a weak threat, eh? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

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thank you for your help on Haavara Agreement[edit]

for future NPOV advice will come to you for assistance when dealing with Israel, Judaism, Jewish History and Antisemitism articles. Tada Raba Igor Berger (talk) 13:46, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

@Igorberger: I'm glad to have made a useful contribution on the Haavara Agreement page, especially considering the prior activity on its Talk page. As for your above statement: you presumably know that it's similar but not identical to mine earlier today, to which I alerted you and now repeat here: "...consult me to objectively discuss particular edits on matters of the Holocaust, Israel, Zionism and Jewish history." These are my areas of expertise and/or interest and on which I have experience finding sourced material. They specifically do not include "Judaism" and "Antisemitism" so that I can prioritize my efforts here (also in WP Hebrew and Wikidata). I'm involved in a number of projects which sometimes claim more time than I can commit, which is not to say I don't value the concerns and good-faith efforts of other editors. Thank you for respecting my practice. Kol tuv -- Deborahjay (talk) 14:31, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Antisemitism is a sensitive topic, so any input would be appreciated. or if you know of other editors who can help, please direct them to the page where i may ping you. thanks, Igor Berger (talk) 14:42, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Israeli-Palestinian localities[edit]

You do realize the original intention of that template I made was to show the villages according to ethnic and religious divisions? Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze, Circessian and Non-Arab Christians (like Nes Ammim). The module is simply not complete.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 23:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. That is what you substituted after I questioned the map legend which had been retained from the template's previous purpose (per title). I then went on to change religions to ethnicities and moved the Template (to rename it) from "Israeli and Palestinian" localities to "Jewish and Arab." I noted my rationale in the Move's edit summary (visible in View history). Now, reading your intention - would you agree to move this discussion to the Template's talk page? I have some considerations to raise for the sake of objectivity and inclusiveness, which are sensitive topics (mixed-population villages, Bedouin identity, Jewish secular vs Orthodox vs Haredi), especially as this template is already "live." I'm unsure whether a map could successfully present the relevant distinctions. Rather, I'd suggest setting up a Task Force to review the pages of all Israeli residential localities' religious and ethnic demographics. Examples among my neighbors: Maghar, Israel#Demographics, Abu Snan, and Ya'ara, vs elsewhere in the country: Beit Shemesh#Demographics, Nazareth Illit#Demographics... The goal, as I see it, is for readers of the English-language WP (including non-native speakers whose own language projects don't have this content) to get background for, e.g. news items about what happens in Israel. המשך שבת שלום וכל טוב-- Deborahjay (talk) 07:51, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

RE: Translations to Hebrew - Robert Strassburg & John Serry Sr.[edit]

Hello Deborahjay: Just a quick note to thank you for your outstanding translations from the Hebrew Wikipedia into English. When you have time would you consider translating these English articles onto the Hebrew Wikipedia? Robert Strassburg was a noted Jewish/American composer from New York & California. He was a classmate of Leonard Bernstein at Harvard University and was a student of Igor Stravinsky, Walter Piston and Paul Hindemith. In addition, he composed a large repertoire of Jewish liturgical music (See Kabbalat Shabbat, Mah Tovu & Psalm 117) as well as several highly regarded film scores. He is also a recognized expert on the musical compositions of the Jewish/American composer Ernest Bloch. Many of his compositions have been archived at the Milken Archive of Jewish Music (See: http://www.milkenarchive.org/artists/view/robert-strassburg/) John Serry Sr. was a student of Robert Strassburg who shared his interest as an organist in composing and performing liturgical works for members of both the Jewish and Catholic faiths in order to unite humanity in peace. I hope that you find these articles to be of interest and are able to translate them into Hebrew for the benefit of researchers and scholars of future generations. Many thanks for your consideration and best wishes for your continued success on Wikipedia. With best wishes - Peter 6/26/2017104.207.219.150 (talk) 20:54, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

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