User talk:Dennis Bratland

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Pie graph[edit]

Hi Dennis, I don't mean to hound you. I've laid out a very strong case for the conventional maps on the WA State election talk page PalmerTheGolfer (talk) 23:23, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikihonding his exactly what you are doing. Please stop. If you persist you may be blocked from editing. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:23, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I apologize as I had not taken into context the meaning of the word "hound". I will admit I have done this before. However, I find it to be of mundane impertinence that you say I have no prior history of editing Washington, California, and Oregon page. As I have a long history of editing election pages, and I hope you do not continue to assert hounding, as we both just want to improve Wikipedia, and if we could have a civilized discussion about the pros and cons of such graphs, it would be much appreciated. PalmerTheGolfer (talk) 23:33, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm really sorry if I sounded like a pompous jerk, and by no means have sinister intentions regarding maps or graphs. But I hope you do not take anything personally. I'd also like to say that the argument of preserving the status quo is a powerful one, as it shows consensus amongst editors. I think the idea of visual biases, while compelling in theory, falls under speculation as well. As you have shown to me great interest in the political pages here, I'd love to try and aid you on your goal of making this community a better place PalmerTheGolfer (talk) 00:32, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I never called you any names. I don't know where that came from. I never called you a pompous jerk, and I never implied any such thing. I don't see that as the issue at all. The issue is resistance to change, resulting in a biased POV. I'm interested in fixing that problem; it has nothing to do with personalities.

Community is a great thing, but when innovation is crushed by those who cling to the status quo, what good is community? Sounds more like biting the newcomers.

From what policy are you getting this "powerful" argument to preserve the status quo? There is no such policy that I know of. I'm well aware of how much a group of editors will fight to maintain the status quo, but that's a pernicious aspect of human nature. We aren't even talking about a dispute over facts, or removing information. We're keeping all the information; in fact I'm adding information that wasn't there before. It all comes form teh same sources. This is all about preserving a particular format for presenting information, based on no policy, and no facts. Just a need to control pages. This is why the ownership policy explicitly prohibits such behavior. WP:Editing policy spells out that Wikipedia cannot be "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit" if you have a group of gatekeepers who rush in to squash any change that deviates from their pet style. Substance matters more than style, and openness to editing matters more than an imaginary policy of protecting the status quo.

If we were at least talking about a WP:GA or WP:FA, you could claim that the old version was considered quality work. But it's no such thing. It's just an ordinary article struggling to find it's way to being "good". you have no basis to be so protective of a particular style.

Candidates do not win counties in US presidential elections. It's false and misleading to create graphs that give a strong impression of that. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:41, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I was wondering if we can resolve this issue by having both graphs on the page. Maybe put either one further down, but on the page as it can only strengthen the content as they are both factually accurate PalmerTheGolfer (talk) 11:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Dennis, wondering what you thought of my most recent edit on WA election. I believe this would qualify as a compromise of sorts, and I hope we can go further with this PalmerTheGolfer (talk) 01:14, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


Dennis, I'm just commenting to say that I will no longer engage in our editing discussion involving maps. We have argued to a stalemaye, and further discussion would only escalate things. I think it is only fair to give you and your graphs a chance, and I will let it run its course, and maybe there will be a new consensus or a theoretical reversion. Whatever the result, while we've had viibrant dialogue, I mean nothing personally, and I thank you and I'm incredibly grateful that through you, I've learned more about policy and that's helped to me to be a better editor. If you ever want help with anything just post something on my talk page! :) PalmerTheGolfer (talk) 16:57, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

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California (finally) certified their results[edit]

I thought you would be interested in CA's official results, which were released today. Bernie Sanders managed to break 2% in Humboldt and Mendocino Counties as a write in. He topped 1% in several others. Results from the CA SoS. Teak the Kiwi (talk) 02:53, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I forgot to include the main page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teak the Kiwi (talkcontribs) 02:54, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I'm on it. Will update soon. -Dennis Bratland (talk) 05:07, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
OK, it's updated to the latest certified numbers. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 06:53, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

OK Election Page[edit]

Hi Dennis, I saw you put a tag on OK Pres election page. I was going to update the results box, but would you like me to update county results as well?PalmerTheGolfer (talk) 17:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)PalmerTheGolfer PalmerTheGolfer (talk) 17:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


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Military stress card urban legend, or is it?[edit]

I just started on Draft:Military stress card. It's kind of interesting research. - Brianhe (talk) 20:25, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Cool subject. So far I haven't found anything more than what you've already got. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:32, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Found one. - Brianhe (talk) 05:17, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

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The article is under a 1RR restriction. You've now removed - reverted - the added tags TWICE, which means you've broken 1RR. Since you may not have been aware of the restriction (despite the fact that there's a big fat message at the top of the talk page), I'm asking as a courtesy that you self revert and put the tags back in place.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:50, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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Ugly Presidential Maps: Montana[edit]

Hi there! Thank you for your contributions to the United States Presidential Elections. Your contributions have not gone unnoticed.

Since I take it that you enjoy proper maps, I have a project you might be interested in. From around 1892-2000, Montana has had some rather ugly presidential maps. But, one of the more important ones, the 1992 one (the historical flip) is too ugly in comparison to some of the other maps demonstrated in that election, Such as New York, Virginia, and Washington just to name a few.

If this would be something you'd like to work on, your contributions would be greatly appreciated. But if you don't really feel like it, feel free to leave it as is.

Thanks once again,

The Infobox Strikes Again! (talk) 15:14, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

It's not just ugly. It's grossly inaccurate. Montana in 1992 was a three way race, but this filled map only shows two candidates. And it fills in the county land area as if that were a meaningful piece of data, ignoring how many actual votes were counted in each county. It's impossible to tell from this kind of graph even who won the state. It needs to be something that shows you how many votes each candidate got. Filling in land area with color because they got the most votes in that county makes it look like they won something that way. It actually looks like Bush won the state.

To fix that it needs to be a pie map overlaid on a state and county map. Then you see the geography, while also seeing all the candidates, and how many votes they actually got. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

That graph cleans up that page a lot. Thank you for your contributions. The Infobox Strikes Again! (talk) 20:44, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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