User talk:Dev920/Archive9

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Quadell and Christina Aguilera[edit]

I just read the stuff you wrote on the Christina Aguilera talk page, and this guy Quadell seems like quite a nutbag to me, even after you've given him the sources of the quotes, he still says it's unsourced! I posted a note on that page myself. It seems like all he does all day is go over pages making sure they strictly ahere to wikipedia's policies, and that everything has a source, which he'll never complete, I've never seen a stricter admin. The snare 22:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey Adoption[edit]

I liked the way you explained it to me on the Talk:Zac Efron The other guys comments were kinda not nearly as clear.. ive read youe info and i joined the LGBT Project because i know what u guys do and its important especially on a place like Wikipedia with lots of bias.. If you would adopt me i would be quite happy... im pretty active but school is about to start. _____.:!Ninja!:._____ 01:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Transgender Core Topics[edit]

Hi. I've added transsexualism and drag king to Core topics. The first is important in its own right. The 2nd is necessary if drag queen is there (otherwise we might get accused of discrimination). :) --AliceJMarkham 13:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Harvey Milk[edit]

I won't be putting up another article for FA status. The Tompkins Park article was taken off my watchlist awhile ago. I didn't really care for the process. There were either irrelevant comments, opposes with no comments, or minutia put forth to deny it that, instead of wasting the keystrokes to tell me to de-wikify something, the write could have just de-wikified it. My Wikipedia edits are getting less and less; I watched User:IvoShandor's RfA fail over one (self-admitted) lapse in his editing (out of 20,000 edits, new articles, brilliant collaboration, etc.) sink his RfA. The gleeful judgmentalism was disheartening. It reminded me of a Senate confirmation for the U.S. Supreme Court. Generally, I find Wikipedia more of a frustration than a joy. I'm working on other projects now, and I think Wikipedia's community has become more suited to teenagers pantomiming adult American politicans than a community of good-natured intellectuals. It's just my opinion. I will probably still contribute photographs, but I've limited those contributions as I'm working on a book. In that regard, I'd be happy to obtain a few photographs of HMHS, which was the subject of a law school research paper I wrote. --David Shankbone 14:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

FAC FAQ[edit]

Hi Dev. I have the first draft of the FAC FAQ thing we talked about. It's ended up being more of a guidelines' essay than a FAQ section, to be honest. It's pretty long, and I've surely left a lot of important things out, but it's a starting point. ;-) I need to rope help from someone at our translation department here to translate it into English (I can't fathom doing it twice in two different languages), and if you guys give it a look and think it's worth something, we can keep tinkering with it and adding new points and sections. :-) So far at es:wiki an admin has liked it very much, but as I said, it's just a first draft and needs more eyes. Oh, before I forget, the images policy is different in both wikis, and I've included only es:wiki's stance on it. That section will have to be modified here. Well, I'll see if I can get someone to translate it, and I'll keep you posted. Cheers! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 15:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I have enlisted a translator already, so hopefully we'll have something relatively soon. As for the google translator, I can more or less figure out the literal translations about the librarians (that's how admins are called at es:wiki) and their notice board, but for the life of me I don't know where the hell the kitchen maid phrase comes from! ;-D Raystorm (¿Sí?) 17:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Environmental Barnstar[edit]

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Congrats on working so hard to assess articles. I hope you will continue your work to help promote environmental awareness. OhanaUnitedTalk page 16:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey Dev[edit]

Thanks! I didn't even realize it. I hate it when other people don't sign their posts, I guess normally I'm busy with something, and rush through my post. I'm sorry. I'll pay more attention now. Thanx. Bryse 18:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

You have mail[edit]

-- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dev 920:

sorry if I am doing this wrong, but I don't see anywhere that I can send you a message to. I did an update to the Jake Gyllenhaal page, and surprise surprise, all my work was taken down in one day! (From what I read in the notes, it was done by you I believe.) What is that all about? Who owns this Wiki anyway? the information I put up was correct, and I would like to know if I go to all the time and trouble to correct the changes, will my update be respected? what is going on? That was my second time updating Wiki, the first time was a year ago, to the Brokeback Mountain page, and there too, a whole whack of stuff (not mine, thank goodness!) was deleted. All kinds of good stuff was removed that time (and my one or two small edits as well).

Anyway, I made those corrections to the Jake Gyllenhaal page so that ppl that come here can get find the active fan sites. And why is the Yahoo Group still up and the other two websites taken down? I don't know one Jake fan, and I have been here over a year -- that has ever said a single word about Yahoo Group. ever. Yahoo Group!!??!!!!! NOBODY talks about them. Is it just a coincidence that the two commercial, corporately-owned mediocre miniscule sites for Jake (Yahoo Group and IMDb) get mentioned, and the two private Jake-intensive fan sites with infinite numbers of photos, videos, links, info, etc etc etc etc are treated so shabbily?? Like they don't even exist?!!! Is that what you want for Jake???? And what about IMDb? That's not a fan site. That's a movie database! That's like referring someone to the Yellow Pages!! Why do those two stay up, and the little guys get bumped? This is not right. Can you please reply to me, I guess I will give you my e-mail, no I don't want to put it here, it is too public, I think. I will check back for some kind of comment from you. Can you tell I am freaking out here? Thanks. Marie.

Article Sucks[edit]

Yup, that does sound a lot better lol. I'll write to u for advice the next time I find a poorly written article. In any case, nominating something for afd saying it "sucks" is the fastest way to get someone to pay attention to it and fix it when I'm too lazy to do it myself. ;-)

Well either that or the article gets deleted, which in the case of an article like that is no big loss believe me.

BTW hope ur exams went well! :-)

Qwertyca 17:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Future projects[edit]

Were the 'articles I am interested in' general information or suggestions of collaboration? If the latter, I am interested in helping with the Stephen Fry article. What does GA stand for? And how do I graduate? Thanks for all your help!

Preferably Moonsky - I'm still so embarrassed about that typo! And would that serve reciprocally to "Dev"? Moonksy29 22:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I will do that once my exams are finished finally. My main problem is formatting shortcuts and I can't for the life of me find on my keyboard that line thingy that you put between the link and the display link - it drives me mad! Maybe thursday. But not now, I am going to bed! :) Moonksy29 22:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Arlene Ackerman prod[edit]

Arlene Ackerman has actually previously survived prod[1]. You might try AfD instead. NickelShoe (Talk) 03:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Would you...[edit]

use any of these? [2]? I'm pretty sure she's a lesbian, but I can't find anything that says so outright. Grr... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


Jet123 (Talk) 05:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi there! I'm still here. Just taking a little time out, but I will be back soon with a vengance. I already have more ideas for Gay and Lesbian articles. I've given up on the FA thing, because I don't understand the rules.

But I'm a Cheerleader/peer review[edit]

Hi, I've tried to clean up the citations a bit on this article, per your suggestion, but I'm struggling a bit. Would be grateful if you could have another look. Thanks --Belovedfreak 14:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no problems. I've archived the peer review since it's now a GA (yay!). Will probably put it in for another peer review soon hoping to get it to FA, after I've tweaked it a bit more. Enjoy your holiday! --Belovedfreak 11:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

Thank you for participating in my RfA. It was successful, and I am now, may God have mercy on us all, an administrator. Look at all the new buttons! I had heard about 'protect,' 'block user,' and 'delete,' but no one told me about 'kill,' 'eject,' and 'purée.' I appreciate the trust the community has in me, and I'll try hard not to delete the main page or block Jimbo. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

LGB list[edit]

Hey, that's ok. I like lists! I do admire your optimism in hoping to reduce it to 0 so soon, it still looks like a very big list to me! I will keep plugging away though, I'm learning about all sorts of people I'd never heard of. --Belovedfreak 11:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


I've sent you E-mail, but you didn't respond to my E-mail. Thanks, Jet123 (talk) 23:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Good to have you back[edit]

Just felt like saying it. Hope your exams went well - when do you know, August 16th? Cheers, Moreschi Talk 13:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


No problem - I have another one of the entire building (I don't think they occupy much of it) that I need to upload; it might be a nicer photo. --David Shankbone 14:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter[edit]

Delivered on 16:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

Dare ya[edit]

To a Jumpaclass contest. :-) I know you're on holidays right now, so I'll be a sport and wait until you say you're ready (and have unlimited access to a computer). I'll pick one of those Spanish LGBT stubs (haven't decided exactly which one yet), and we'll see who's able to improve more an article in one week. :-) Doubledare ya! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 10:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, feeling sure of ourselves, are we? ;-) July 29th sounds good, it'll give me plenty of time to finish an article I'm working on anyway. Then I can perhaps teach you a lesson in manners or two. ;-D See ya! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 15:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


List the articles that you consider so bad that Wikipedia shouldn't keep them. It would help out the project! - ~VNinja~

Talk page - ~VNinja~ 17:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Re Blida airport[edit]

I thank you for your expansion. It is worth keeping now. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Dev. You too. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 23:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Dev, when you have some time, could you please try rewording "jumped with his trout rod strapped to his leg"? The reference uses the same wording. Thanks in advance. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 01:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary[edit]

I made a mistake when giving a last warning someone for spamming. I didn't enter an edit summary and think that messes a mess. Do you think that is fine?


Jet123 (talk) 16:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


I sent you E-mail.

A star for you[edit]

For making me laugh on User talk:Jimbo. :) —  $PЯIПGrαgђ  20:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

"I guess a more relevant question is not 'Why does Wikipedia host porn?' but 'Why am I so obsessed with porn I feel the need to "take a stand" against encylopedically written articles on it?'" I guess it just sounds too much like me to not be funny. :) —  $PЯIПGrαgђ  20:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Poppy Z. Brite[edit]

Oh, Sorry! I did not notice that there was a separate list. I'll not do that in the future! Thanks for letting me know.  :) Aleta 11:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


I sent you E-mail. Jet123 (talk) 03:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

ALA info[edit]

Any way you can get ahold of:

  • American Library Association Gay and Lesbian Task Force. Famous or Distinguished Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals: A List of Names, July 1992.

?? I found a ref to it on "The Out List". Maybe they have an updated list with refs? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


Hi. I would like to know from you whether your comment on Jimbo's talk page was really sarcastic. Bielle said on my talk page that it was. You can see the thread here. A.Z. 01:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Brian Sewell[edit]

I'm sorry to get the impression that you are annoyed by my questioning whether Brian Sewell is gay. I have now read the c.9,000-word article by Andrew Barrow, 'A full life: nothing if not critical', The Independent on Sunday, 28.ix.2003, which makes a few of references to his suspected homosexuality (forgive me if you find the term objectionable). I can only reiterate that the meagre evidence available had previously seemed to suggest the opposite. I know that other people who saw his Naked Pilgrim and Grand Tour series reached the same conclusion as me.--Oxonian2006 21:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Bradford[edit]

I'm up for trying to start it, but not sure if theirs enough interest Wikiproject Yorkshire seems quiet most of the time. --Nate1481( t/c) 12:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Will give it a try when I have time @ work right now. --Nate1481( t/c) 13:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

No it's not[edit]

I helped write it in Spanish, and will do the same in English. Hee hee. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 18:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I think mine is pretty borderline, but if you wanna tag it as Start I won't complain. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 14:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Tsk tsk. You're gonna have more days than me to improve the article, just so you know, because I'm leaving for Switzerland the 2nd of August. So quit whining! ;-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 20:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd appreciate that. :-) You can finish before me and I'll use up those extra days I miss later? I think I know now how to set up a temporary irc channel, btw. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 21:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
You sure? I'll be back the 15th, that's a long time. I might get ahold of a computer at some point during my holidays, but I'm not counting too much on it. About the irc channel... it's terribly temporary, as in, if I'm not online it ceases to exist. :-P We have to register it so it becomes official I've been told. I'm thinking, #LGBTproject sounds good for a name? Cheers and welcome back from wherever you went on vacation. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 16:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Good luck! ;-) Let the show begin! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 23:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Just keep sweetening the pot, why don't ya? ;-) Btw, kudos from the Spanish wiki irc channel for your 'statement'! They wanted me to nominate you for RfA just because of it, interested? ;-) Some of them were pretty enraged about that user saying those things without consequences. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 00:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
It is kinda weird that he can say such things so freely and without getting some sort of admin warning. And you know, your last RfA was *ages* ago, you should start thinking about just biting the bullet and going for it again. :-) There's no way those 'Muslim'-related and Tory-project opposes are still relevant, right? But I kinda understand, opposes do hit one kinda hard, no matter how mild... :-P Nonetheless, I think your chances would be pretty good. Btw, you're sooooo gonna lose the jumpaclass contest, sleepyhead! X-D Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm gonna see how I should set up the RfA before you change your mind! :-P Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm, Dev, Jet123's nom doesn't really count as your second one, right? I can overwrite it? Raystorm (¿Sí?) 10:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Email. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 11:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:John Waters[edit]

You should take a look at your own counterexample, Angelina Jolie - the only picture that is truly non-unique is the one at the Washington D.C. photo op, and I would say that it doesn't belong in the article. The rest of the photos are from different TV and movie appearances. Just providing a counterexample, even if it were valid, doesn't make for a cogent argument anyway.--DLandTALK 18:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I would. :) My point was that precedent doesn't make it right - see WP:WAX for a similar point in the context of deletion discussion. Either way, I don't care enough about this whole issue to make a big stink about it - or to risk any bad feelings between us editors, for that matter - but I still stand by my position.--DLandTALK 19:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Eva Attling[edit]

Hi there,

Aftonbladet is a popular Swedish tabloid (The Mirror is the closest thing we have here) and this article talks about their marriage and relationship. Do you need it translating? I am off to Sweden in the next couple of days so it might be a week or so before I can get it done. Hope this is ok Intesvensk 00:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Pedophilia brigade continue to work their magic on Wikipedia[edit]
--David Shankbone 00:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Comments on But I'm a Cheerleader[edit]

Ah thanks! I have been looking through a load of FA films and FA nominations, including some of yours, and I must say I'm pretty overwhelmed by the idea of getting an article to FA class. Hopefully I will get there eventually... --Belovedfreak 11:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Requests for Adminship/Dev920 (2nd nom)[edit]

Please accept the nomination and answer the questions at the RfA page at your leisure. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC) Still having trouble with Jet123's previous nom.

Jake's pig source[edit]

Jake Gyllenhaal was a featured article, and I'm not sure that one weird, casual comment on his part merits inclusion in the article. But if you're so sure, you could at least format the citation in accordance with the style of the page. Thank you. --Melty girl 19:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you owned the Jake Gyllenhaal article, and no engagement with others' opinions is required of you. I stand corrected. --Melty girl 02:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
You misunderstood me, so I will try again without sarcasm. I made two points to you, first, my opinion that something you added to Jake Gyllenhaal was trivial (therefore potentially against Wiki policy), second that you did not format a citation in accordance with the page's format. Your answer to me -- "I wrote the article, please don't try to tell me how to format its references" -- indicated that you feel that you can take or leave Wikipedia policy as you wish. Hence my sarcastic response above. If you want people to respond to you well, don't take this kind of high and mighty attitude. Your work on the article is commendable, but it's the article itself that's important, not you -- and you are not infallible. It may be a small issue, but you don't have a special right to ignore the citation format, and it's wrong for you to snap at other Wikipedians who bring potential errors to your attention. The article is everyone's, and you should be pleased that someone else cares about preserving its quality. --Melty girl 20:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I already cleaned up the citation (and the quote) yesterday. --Melty girl 22:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I've never talked to you before, but I was very surprised to see your RfA (I always assumed you were already an admin). Looking at your previous RfA, it seems you and I have much in common politically (I too am an active Conservative) and I just want to say that I definitely think you should be an admin, and I think the opposes on your current RfA are predominantly petty and poorly-supported. I hope your RfA passes, but if not, I would love to nominate you for a third attempt in a few months' time. WaltonOne 20:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't sure if you received this message, as you haven't replied. WaltonOne 17:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I know how you feel - in my second RfA I was opposed for referring to one MfD nomination as "ludicrous and pedantic". (Fortunately I still passed.) All of us who participate actively in discussions have made one or two comments from time to time that, taken out of context, could be seen as incivil; sadly, the nature of the RfA process is such that one age-old mistake can bring down otherwise great candidates, and people are likely to pay more attention to one bad diff than to years of productive editing. I've seen this kind of thing happen time and time again. Like I said, I hope you pass, but if not I'll nominate you next time round. WaltonOne 14:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Maggie Gyllenhaal!![edit]

A random note (after opposing your adminship candidacy- sorry): You have met Maggie Gyllenhaal, and I am insanely jealous. -- Kicking222 01:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

"Leader of the gay cabal."[edit]

ROFLMAO!!! You GO, Dev! Hahaha. BTW, though I don't get to drop in on the LGBT Project as often as I'd like, I think you've done a helluva great job with it, and I'm proud to be a far-off associate of all your hard work. Shoot, I'd vote for you as Life President of the Cabal--or better yet, Queen? Where's the Nom form for that? lol  ;-) --Textorus 07:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

You're right, an election would be quite out of order. It would be much more fitting to follow WP:CONS and simply declare you, in the time-honored phrase, "our undoubted Queen." I'll start working on an Accession Council right now, Maj.  :-D --Textorus 22:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


Hi Dev920. I'm going to usurp my username to Jet. Jet (talk) 00:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Your RfA[edit]

It is disheartening to watch the holier-than-thou clique at RfA ruin yet another good candidate's chance at helping the project because they still live in a world where everything is flowers and candy. Some of the opposes are utterly absurd, as if adminship were the Holy Grail of Wikipedia and somehow one must be perfect to be able to delete articles and wield a mop. They think you're incivil Dev, ha, the things I am thinking about saying (but won't) to the opposers on RfA are incivil, you're just opinionated and prefer not to gloss over that fact for the sake of someone's fragile psyche and self-esteem. I respect this even if people who edit Pokemon articles all day long can't. Your composure and civility during you're RfA prove you more the worthy of said designation. Good luck with everything else and happy editing. IvoShandor 14:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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I also want to bestow this upon you, considering your RfA, you've earned it. IvoShandor 14:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Aww. Thanks. That's nice of you. I meant what I said here and at your RfA. I had myself a similar experience so don't let it drag you down. You are a valued contributor indeed.  : ) IvoShandor 17:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd just like to add a 'me too' to everything IvoShandor said :) Civility is nice, but not the be all and end all, and I prefer administrators who say what they really think and aren't afraid to tell people when they're being stupid. Kamryn · Talk 22:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Will there be a Dev920 3?Proabivouac 08:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that, Dev, and I hope you reconsider. I didn't mean to turn on you, and hope you don't think I did…it was just so frustrating seeing you do exactly what they were nagging you about. You have a lot of admirers, you know.Proabivouac 08:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Might interest you to know[edit]

I've nominated an LGBT character article for FA status, here. Could you leave some input?~ZytheTalk to me! 23:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I did not get it[edit]

Thanks for the message, but I did not understand it. What is an FLC? Haiduc 00:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Your RfA was unsuccessful[edit]

I have closed your RfA. I am afraid there was no consensus to promote you. Please address the concerns, and feel free to reapply in the future. Good luck. --Deskana (banana) 17:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry it didn't work out, Dev. But do hang in there and apply again! You've worked tremendously hard and done lots of good wikithings; you'd be a fine admin.--Textorus 17:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
I understand completely.--Textorus 17:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry your RFA failed. Politics rule 18:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear it. :( — $PЯINGεrαgђ 21:06, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
I know this is the last thing you want to hear right now, but they do say third time's the charm... I don't doubt for a second you'll be an admin someday. Big hugs Raystorm (¿Sí?) 14:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to see they pooed on you again, honeybunch. Talk about casting your pearls before swine. I was away on vacation and just saw how it (didn't) work out. Fuck 'em, Dev. You don't need adminship to confirm to those of us who know you how much you've improved this damn place. With much love from your biggest fan, Jeffpw 20:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I concur with Jeff, those people are assholes. IvoShandor 21:33, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Reference desk[edit]

Hi Dev. I got this message from an Wikipedian that I violated some rules at the reference desk. Here the message;

Please don't post polemics disguised as questions, as you did here. The reference desk is not a soapbox. Friday (talk) 18:54, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you think I broke the rules? Jet (talk) 21:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I think your question was OK. A.Z. 22:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/A gallery[edit]

Hehehe. I was afraid of that. I can tell you why I did it though: if you set your computer monitor to 800x600 pixels, that's how it displays on my computer and that is even less aesthetically pleasing than the gallery. I sometimes forget that the way I can see these buggers is not the way most people have it displaying on their computer. I did up the screen resolution to 1024x768 (only two choices on my computer!) to take a look at how you all are probably seeing it - that's actually really good the way it is. Sorry 'bout that. Hope the scrolling reflist helped, at least. ZueJay (talk) 00:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Article on the color Lavender[edit]

I would suggest you ought to get together a group of people to monitor the article I wrote on the color Lavender. Someone who is apparently homophobic keeps deleting the "politics", "romantic love", and "sexuality" subsections of the "lavender in human culture section" (the three subsections about gays). Since I can't monitor the article all the time, I would suggest some of you monitor the "lavender (color)" article every few days to make sure those three sections aren't deleted. Best wishes, Keraunos 06:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Last to dos on Austin Nichols[edit]

Hello Dev. Note that the Nichols article has been gone over by a couple of people. Some of the refs have been tagged; I think it's because where there are direct quotes, a precise url is needed rather than a general site link. There's also a couple of buried questions regarding what happened in what year. With this stuff done, the FA review can be closed. Best, Marskell 07:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Dev! It was really Marskell who wrapped it all up. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the message[edit]

Thanks for the nice message; I am back. I think I need to learn better coping skills on here. --David Shankbone 13:57, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


Hi Dev. You got mail. Jet (talk) 02:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:AN Discussion[edit]

Hey I saw your comments on the WP:CVU discussion. I don't think you're an edit warrior at all Dev. People just all have their opinions about these controversial Wikiprojects and the strenuous MFDs some of them have faced. No one is out to sully the name of any user in these discussions. I posted that notice on WP:AN because I was concerned that we were going to have a can of worms being opened very soon, once more and more Wikipedians notice the red links at pages like Wikipedia:Vandalism and Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism. Don't get too hurt by the criticisms people may make toward yourself or others on the goings on of that painful MFD. We all are eventually criticized for any move we make, whether it be here on Wikipedia or real life. Best just to take it openly or ignore it if it seems not at all true.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 23:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Romaine Brooks[edit]

Not for a while, anyway. I have limited Wikipedia time right now and a lot of other articles I should be working on. Celithemis 01:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

FLC Closing[edit]

In re: your question about closing the discussion on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/A, the 10 days aren't up until 23:00 on the 11th, which leaves another day or so. Great list, BTW. Geraldk 19:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

From James Nightshade[edit]

Dev: Well, I did my two presentations at Wikimania. The first one on Friday, the panel discussion with four Taiwanese college students, went great. It was a good discussion and the audience was into it. The debate about the value of Wikipedia is going on in some circles of Taiwanese education, between students and teachers, and we made our little mark.

My presentation on Saturday, my "big" paper--"Bright Air, Brilliant Fire: The Mind of Wikipedia" did not go as well. It seems that most of the audience (of maybe 20) was in there to rest on a hot day, and not really to see my presentation. Oh well, you win some, you lose some. If you were interested (few seem to have been), the paper can be found on one of the Wikimania pages:

All the best, and talk to you later.

Mr Cheetah???[edit]

??? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
When you get a minute, take a look at W-Z and let me know if you think it's ready for FAC? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It just makes me mad[edit]

Or at least frustrated anyway. And in general that's a good way to describe a lot of the folks who consistently oppose from poorly constructed glass houses. That's all. Not that it's that big deal. Good luck in the future. IvoShandor 22:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hail to the Chief[edit]

Yes, I watched the gay forum. Though I still support Hillary, I was impressed with both Kucinich and gravel. I might vote for Kucinich in the California primary--people say he's not electable, but if everybody voted for who s/he wanted to win, and not who s/he thought would win, we might have a different President in the White House today.

Don't let the bastards get you down, sweetie. Some of us here love you to pieces, and know what a valuable contribution you make to this Godforsaken place. Jeffpw 06:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I saw the highlights too in CNN. *Shakes head* Who was the guy who said it was a choice??? I loved Melissa there. *Grin* Only two were in favour of gay marriage, shucks. Anyway, I suscribe everything Jeff has said, including his great edit summary, hee hee. ;-) Love, Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC) Remember we have a contest going on when I come back!

Nichols review[edit]

No problem helping with the review. Glad it was kept. It must be annoying knowing a link worked once upon a time only to find it dead. Cheers, Marskell 13:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


Jacques Teyssier - notable? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Andrew[edit]

Trust me, it isn't a threat, it's a promise. The article thoroughly disgusts me that it managed to get FA status on the quality and comprehensiveness that it is. I saw the page that was when it was voted, and it wasn't any better. Fictional characters do not get write-ups like biographies, which is what this article does. Not only does the IU information outweigh the OOU information 2 to 1, maybe more, but the article doesn't even give information about how the character came to be, and is riddled with original research. I haven't had the time to actually sit down and log everything wrong with the article to do a proper FAR, and I was mentioning it to another editor who took the liberty of tagging the article themselves. But now that I see people actually believe an article should look like this an still be FA status, you can be assured that I will thoroughly read over the article with every criteria of being FA.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Please don't be rude to other editors, as you were to Bignole on his talk page. I realise that you care about this character and that his history is important, but Bignole is right. Other FA fictional characters such as Jabba the Hutt and Padmé Amidala have concise "Appearances" section as opposed to long character histories. The Jack Harkness article, another LGBT television character with about three years of history who is being put up for FA, has also recently conformed to this example and is more accessible to non-fans as a result. You might want to look at my sandbox for the Buffy Summers character. While far from complete, I have managed to condense her history into a relatively brief "Television appearances" section, and she has four more years of far more detailed history than Andrew. The Andrew article looks fine to me with the exception of this section, and the OOU info is impressive for a minor television character. Just try not to get into fights with other editors. :) Paul730 22:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but telling him you hope he will become a better person was a little rude, you have to admit. I know Bignole can be a little blunt sometimes, but seriously, listen to what he had to say. At the end of the day, we're only editing Wikipedia, it's not life or death. The more we help each other, the better the article will be, so let's learn to play together, okay? That goes for you too, Bigs, if you're listening. :P Paul730 22:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


Andrew Van De Kamp has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

See honey? This is why I rarely edit here anymore. The dicks outweigh the collegial editors 10 to one here. It's not good for one's blood pressure or general frame of mind to contribute within this venomous nest of adders. That said, if you decide to cooperate with the Inquisition, you know you can count on me for support, both practical and moral. One more time: Don't let the bastards get you down. Jeffpw 09:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Look, why don't you actually try to defend the Andrew article if you honestly believe it to be FA? Wouldn't that be better than leaving sulky comments on the FAR and calling other editors "vengeful"? I know you put a lot of effort into the article but you seem to be taking this FAR extremely personal. Why do you feel that the character history is necessary in it's current form? Why do you believe the article to be FA? Please stop going in a huff when someone challenges your work and actually help to make it better. Paul730 17:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't want the article rewritten, I want the plot summary shortened to a reasonable length, that's all. Summarisation is not destruction; if people want to know every detail of Andrew's fictional life they can watch the show. I know you and Bignole have had an argument, but this isn't a vendetta against you. You still haven't answered my question as to why you think it's FA. Why do you think we need such a long plot summary? Paul730 22:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't planning on fighting you anywhere. I was annoyed by your insistance that there wasn't a problem, and my tone was wrong, but all my objections in the FAR are based on the criteria of FA status. Comprehension is the biggest issue, because the article is missing a lot of vital information that should be present, and it utilizes a lot of original research in places. The point of an FAR is not to delist an article from FA status, but to get it up to the current criteria. No one came to discuss the problems with the article, no one took any actions on the article. If you believe in something you have to fight for it, and all you've done (and the one random IP user) is say "this article is just fine" and not explained why it is fine. I've taken the time to review the article and point out issues with it, and you haven't bothered to show the same respect and at least acknowledge the complaints. If you choose not to, that's fine, it's your choice. I'm sorry that it had to come to this, and that we had to be at each other's throats beforehand. You're a very passionate person about the articles you work on, I can see that--I'm the same way myself--and it can be both a gift and a hinderance for community based work.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


Hey Dev, good news. :-) We now have the IRC channel we talked about. More info on that here, but let me know when you'll log in so I can give you OP powers (as the coordinator of the project). :-) I'll be hanging around today at odd times, perhaps we'll meet there (I don't expect much people being today the first day it exist, although there are three people there now haha). I've found the IRC channels wickedly helpful in the past, so I hope this one works out too. Cheers Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Would you...[edit]

take a look at Evan Adams? I can't find a source other than the movie mentioned (and I'm not going to try to rent an independent Canadian film!). Tks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Haha, yes![edit]

/me does the big-point-won-in-tennis-match celebration: punch the air double-fisted and noisily shout "Come on!!" Well done, that's superb! Magnificent results! May I ask which institution of higher education (if any) you are planning to grace with your presence? Anyway, a resounding bravo! Cheers, Moreschi Talk 09:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for agreeing to the adoption! I have (I think) joined the LGBT group and had a go at looking at the list of pages that had been picked up by the bot for having LGBT keywords.

However many of them are not related to LGBT and i was wondering if i should remove them from the list, and if so should i just do that by the standard page edit or do the individual pages need to be tagged/untagged in some way? Pi 13:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


Thanks and best of luck! That would obviously be the best way to resolve this and I appreciate you taking the initiative to try to work with them. --ElKevbo 16:17, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

James Robert Baker[edit]

Well, you´re a born leader, honey! You took out the main image from this article last night/ early this morning, and I guess forgot to put it back. Shortly thereafter somebody followed your example, and deleted ALL the images. I have restored it to how it was before the evening´s festivities. Jeffpw 11:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Lanny Barby AFD[edit]

Your AFD on Lanny Barby is improperly. Do you wish to put her up for deletion? Or did you change your mind partway through? Tabercil 12:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Tatamkulu Afrika[edit]

Considering Tatamkulu Afrika...

  • He doesn't claim to be heterosexual, though he doesn't claim being anything else, either.
  • His writing (autobiography?) definitely includes LGBT themes, and even homosexuality.
  • We don't seem to have any references from anyone else about his relationships.

I'm kinda inclined to leave him alone and not put him on the LGBT lists - at least until if/when another source claims something. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

With the exception of Nancy Adair (because one of us has *got* to have her book), I've placed Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Category unsourced on all the entries in our "very difficult to source" list. In a week (or two, or three) one of us should go through and review. I think that should do it, don't you? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 07:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Jake Gyllenhaal lead edit war[edit]

If you care to weigh in, there is a minor edit war going on regarding the appropriateness of mentioning Jake's awards in the lead. 17Drew is being very persistent about removal, but I don't think his arguments support his position. Did this lead make it through the FAC process? --Melty girl 23:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

No, this is what it looked like. 17Drew 23:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


Congratulations on Jake Gyllenhaal being featured on the front page today! I guess it realy is worthwhile when an article get's FA status. Amazing to think that your worlds are being seen on the frontpage by over 300,000 people :S. That's pretty damn amazing actualy, well done! (Pi 15:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC))

Text of WP:HARASS#Posting_of_personal_information[edit]

Posting another person's personal information (legal name, home or workplace address, telephone number, email address, or other contact information, regardless of whether or not the information is actually correct) is harassment, unless that editor voluntarily provides or links to such information himself or herself. This is because it places the other person at unjustified and uninvited risk of harm in "the real world" or other media. This applies whether or not the person whose personal information is being revealed is a Wikipedia editor. It also applies in the case of editors who have requested a change in username, but whose old signatures can still be found in archives.

Please don't criticize me simply because I wish to minimize the number of death threats and obscene emails and phone-calls I receive. Shankbone is misrepresenting my position: I have not asked for Michael Moore's website to be delinked permanently. I have simply asked for policy to be enforced evenly, and for on-wiki editors not to use my real name on-wiki. He has also misrepresented the facts in several other regards, but I won't bore you with the details. THF 20:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Your response seems to severely misunderstand my 20:31 comment. I am not talking about off-wiki links. I am talking about on-wiki violations of on-wiki policy by on-wiki users posting my personal information in talk-page comments and saying that it is okay because of the fact that other people know this information already. WP:HARASS is quite clear that the policy "applies in the case of editors who have requested a change in username, but whose old signatures can still be found in archives."THF 20:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


Went and saw Death at a Funeral and laughed a good bit. Maybe it was the film, or, sigh, maybe it was the night... --David Shankbone 04:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


Would you consider leaving Hypnosadist a note on his talk page that you mentioned him at WP:AN/I? It would be a nice courtesy, and perhaps would tone down some of the bad blood that is going around.  :-) --Iamunknown 20:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it might be good if you removed the post. Other editors are suggesting he quit the histrionics, and we should wait for a while before another WP:AN/I imbroglio.  ;-) --Iamunknown 20:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your comment on the AFD of the Ted Frank article[edit]

Of everything that was posted pro or con, I thought that your concise comment was the clearest and most-well reasoned. I've watched a number of articles stripped of content, then nominated for deletion because of lack of content, then using that deletion as the primary reasoning for not allowing the article to exist in the future, even when more content is available. I'd hate to see the Frank article go in that direction. Thanks for cutting through the silly agendas! Ossified 20:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. You were brilliant. :) I'm not going to vote though, unless THF votes (unless policy prevents people from voting about their own articles, which I would unserstand). —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. That makes it hard to vote "[vote] per THF." ;) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

…which I do. Which is also why I'm not voting, since why would I vote saying, "I am not voting"? :P —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Ted Frank[edit]

Hi, I am working on three other projects today (see my contribs), but will get to that ASAP on Monday or Tuesday. Bearian 22:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I added myself. Now as I was saying... Bearian 22:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Dev920, just a note to say I replied to your concern on my talk (I didn't see your note at the top until after I already posted it. :-)). ATren 23:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

obesity litigation[edit]

N.B. The wikipedia format {{SSRN|926536}}, which appears as SSRN 926536, and provides a better link (as well as an abstract for a more accurate description of the article). THF 01:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


I wikified the article a bit. I do not see any major problems with it, which is why the nom for AfD is so weird. Anyway, I really want to add Pharmaceutical diversion to the "See also" list, but I'll never get the mop if I do that! ;-) 01:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC) Unsigned previously by Bearian 13:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


I think it would be nice to add an image. This one is nice enough, and may be fair use: [3]
Bearian 13:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


I have not been able to find much more from Ghits than what is already in the article. I added a couple of cites. I suspect that more is on his blogs or a database such as the Wall Street Journal's. Bearian 16:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

an/i apology[edit]

I apologize if my request was poorly phrased and that I misunderstood you, or I would have clarified sooner. I meant it as a request going forward, not as an accusation of wrongdoing. I was surprised to have my real name popping up on my watchlist on a thread that had nothing to do with me, and my perturbation perhaps came through too strongly in my wording. THF 04:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


Hello Dev

I've been busy with work and school, so I have't been visiting wikipedia too often lately. :(

Anyways, yea I think I am ready to be unadopted lol, although I'd like to remain friends (is there something like that on WP?).

I see you're inactive for the moment, so best of luck to you for whatever you're doing, and I'll talk to you when your'e back.

Qwertyca 18:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Done! :-D Qwertyca 21:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Larry Craig[edit]

Since Jeffpw seems peeved at me, I figured I'd add my additional 2 cents here, assuming you don't mind. Another reason for the tag would be his vocal opinions about the rights (or lack thereof) of the LGBT community. Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 22:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Brokeback Mountain[edit]

So I went and looked up any review from 2005. Here are three major reviews that pan the use of the phrase "gay cowboy" in BB, calling the use an over-simplification and a disservice to the love story involved:

The media did not universally refer to the film this way, and in fact, neither of the characters defined themselves in this way. The phrase wasn't in use in the 1960s, the whole issue of the film wasn't what to call themselves, but how to deal with the relationship they had. No matter what the supposed orientation of the characters was, they were both involved in relationships with women and were struggling with societal norms at the time. That puts the issue into a much more complicated light than simply gay cowboy. This has been discussed at length in the talk section. The phrasing that replaced gay cowboy in the lead of this article was much more descriptive of the plight both of the characters were experiencing. Working in this phrase seems to me to be much more a political agenda than it is an interest in representing the core story of the film. What I wrote is more balanced and descriptive and has met from no other opposition in this other than in your reversion. Wildhartlivie 14:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I did not say that no media used that term, however I pointed you to an article which only used that phrase in the context of demonstrating how the media trivialized the story. You asserted that the media, as a whole, used it to describe the film. You don't be silly, the point in that article is that the film isn't about the issue of sexual orientation as much as it as about a love story, period. Again, this appears to be more of a political issue than an interest in portraying the film for what it is. In comment to the poster in the section below this, what was used in the 1960s is quite relevant, since the film depicts the culture of that time, not in 2005. Wildhartlivie 15:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

"Gay cowboy"[edit]

I had a Jake Gyllenhaal edit war that I recently lost on the "gay cowboy" issue -- did you get a chance to check out the talk page yet? Very frustrating. Sadly, it resulted in what you just (rightly) changed. And this new commenter: "The term 'gay' wasn't even used in the 1960s" -- this was a 2005 film! Hello?! --Melty girl 14:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem, of course, with the "scare quotes because someone wrote it" approach is that it explicitly prohibited by WP's MoS. See Wikipedia:Words to avoid for more information on writing according to WP standards. Please leave off sticking in some bad characterization because it "sounds cute" or whatever the rationale du jour is for poor writing. LotLE×talk 07:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Essjay controversy FAC[edit]

Well, having been one of the (far too many) editors who worked to develop a stable, more or less NPOV version of this article, I have to say I'm a bit flattered. On the other hand, I have to wonder what you see in the article that makes you feel it's one of the "best of the best." You've got a lot more experience in article development than do I, so I'd appreciate your insights. Thanks. Risker 19:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments, Questions, Notes[edit]

  • How's "B" coming along? Almost ready for FLC?
  • More women's pics for "T"?
  • Let me know when the newsletter is ready and I'll send it out.
  • I've been trying to catch you on IRC, but we haven't been on at the same time. I'm about to head out for a minute - will you be around in 1/2 an hour? I'll check in on the LGBT channel.
  • I haven't read his article, but is Giorgio Armani's sexuality really disputed? It says so on the list.
TTYL -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Are you on now? Cuz I don't see you there... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

That Lotus guy[edit]

In my mind, he seems to have overshot the 3rr, after I warned him he was at his limit. Why don't you have a look at the edit he made, my warning, and his reply to see what action, if any, you want to make. Jeffpw 19:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

FAC and Essjay[edit]

FYI - I know you've been working on getting the Essjay article up to FA status. I archived it from the FAC early during my archiving/promoting tonight because I feel the current nomination has basically no chance of getting a consensus to promote. You've gotten lots of feedback about the article from which to make improvements. I don't normally leave these kinds of message, but this was an exceptional case and I didn't want you to feel discouraged Raul654 07:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone[edit]


An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 18:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Will you mentor me?[edit]

Hello, I am a Gay activist member of Queer Nation and believe in outing. I am a social activist too who had a friend murdered by a CIA backed death squad in Latin America. I have had some problems here on Wiki for my beliefs and because English is not my first langauge, and other things. I have been called homophobic for believing in outing Larry Craig, Matt Drudge, Matt Sanchez, Merv Griffin and others and was in trouble just a few days ago for using the word Queer! Will you be my mentor? Thanks. smedleyΔbutler 22:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not to be used as a soapbox for outing people. Please read WP:SOAP and WP:BLP. Thanks. Pablo Talk | Contributions 18:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


Should I send the newsletter out? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter[edit]

Delivered on 16:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

Elizabeth Bishop[edit]

Can you include on the next LGBT newsletter, Elizabeth Bishop as a collaboration project ?

Elizabeth Bishop was the greatest lesbian poet of the twentieth century.


Tovojolo 15:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


Shall we call it quits? :-P Raystorm (¿Sí?) 22:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


Situation in Portuguese language Wikipedia[edit]

Hi, Dev. I finally started editing the Portuguese language Wikipedia for real. They don't have a lot of articles and, as one would expect, they have almost no LGBT-related articles. That Wikipedia had no article about homosexuality and religion, nor about LGBT and countries, nor about same-sex marriage and civil partnerships by country. I don't know yet about LGBT users. I'm going to create the page for the "Projeto Estudos LGBT". Do you have advice and suggestions? A.Z. 20:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I just created the WikiProject. Here it is: pt:Wikipedia:Projeto Estudos LGBT. A.Z. 20:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you a lot for the advice about bringing new people to the project. There's already another member! I posted a message on his/her talk page, and they joined. A.Z. 00:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
After more people join, what do we do? We use that page as a place to debate improvements for articles about LGBT-related issues, of course, but what are the most important things that the WikiProject LGBT Studies does that would be hard to do without it? A.Z. 00:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Arbcom.jpg)[edit]

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I was hoping they wouldn't notice[edit]

But sadly, the Wales/Sanger edit warriors have noticed the inclusion of the photos and will now continue edit warring to keep Sanger's photo in as long as Wales's is there. While I do think that the photos of critics was an inspired idea, it seems these folks look for any opportunity and will go to any length to continue this little battle. And, sorry to was predictable. Risker 00:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Arbcom.jpg)[edit]

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I wrapped the tag in nowikis, that should keep the bot happy. What sort of arbcom case needs screenshots anyway though? --tjstrf talk 09:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

A Jihad for Love[edit]

Hello, Dev! Did you by any chance manage to catch the film on TV (and onto DVD)? If not, that's fine, but if you did and you could send me a copy, that would be unbelievably cool. Take care! — Emiellaiendiay 05:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea about when, where, or how the film's shown. Apparently there's no US distributor though, sigh... There's now an official site for the movie, and it actually provides information! So things are progressing. And thank you! Take care. — Emiellaiendiay 17:39, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Birmingham meetup[edit]

Hi there, I noticed you put your name down as interested in a Birmingham meetup. Just letting you know, the date is now set as Saturday 20th October. We really need input on where, and what time we will meet, so comments would be much appreciated on the page. Thanks. Majorly (talk) 13:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

List of LGBT rights activists[edit]

You removed the recommendation for deletion without any resolution of the issues stated for removal of list. True, definitions for inclusion could be developed, but the article has existed for over a year and half in its present form without criteria IN VIOLATION of WP:list guidelines and for even longer without guidelines under another title. Your removal of the tag without providing any guidelines is completely unproductive. 23:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Cillian Murphy FAC[edit]

If you're looking for something interesting to do, you could review Cillian Murphy for FAC. My self-nomination. Thanks, Melty girl 01:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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Dev, just so you don't get confused trying to figure out why this got tagged, the image was in Sandi Simcha DuBowski, but the only fair use rationale on the image description (written by you) was for Trembling Before G-d. My understanding of the NFC policy is that screenshots and the like cannot be used for living persons and only for illustrative purposes on the articles of the media they are from, so I removed it from Sandi Simcha DuBowski (so it won't be listed in the links, and you'd have a hard time tracking this down, hence my note). However, I noticed that it was removed from Trembling too, I'm assuming in response to the FAC discussion, so it's now not used in any articles at all, which is also against WP:NFCC, so unless you feel it would improve Trembling Before G-d, it's probably going to get nuked. Cheers, —bbatsell ¿? 04:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Wow, that's a lot of run-on sentences. Sorry 'bout that, it's late and I'm tired. —bbatsell ¿? 04:39, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

You may have forgotten...[edit]

...but we once talked about creating a FA guide. :-) Knorpel translated what I did on es:wiki, you can find it here. I haven't checked how good the translation is, but it looks okay. Wikiterms should be rechecked though. If you think this could be helpful in any way, let me know. ;-) Cheers Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


Here it is. I had fun! Hope you like it. Jeffpw 16:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter[edit]

Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the compliment, honey! I felt just like Julie from The Love Boat while I was writing it (though without that dreadful cocaine addiction)! And I would be honored to write it each month. I have lots of ideas for coming issues. I feel I have finally found my niche. Jeffpw 18:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

"Disrupt people's lives"[edit]

What do you mean "disrupt people's lives"? That is a very loaded charge, and it is completely unfounded. Please explain, in detail, which edits you consider to be "personally disruptive"; otherwise, please retract it. ATren 14:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It was my message, and you complained about it, so I assumed you wanted it removed. Keep it as long as you like. And while we're talking about it, what exactly did you consider to be "personally disruptive"? Something you saw from me must have triggered such a charge, and I would appreciate knowing what it was so that I may correct it. ATren 17:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Westlife tour[edit]

I was wondering if you were planning on attending their concert in London or elsewhere in the U.K., and if you wanted to meet up if you were. I would love to see them, and doubt they will ever make it to Holland. Let me know. I bet it will sell out fast. Jeffpw 17:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

OMG!! Really?!? (I mean, I know you said it was just a possibility, but allow me to get excited). I have been listening to songs from their new album, and it's one of their best. I would be thrilled if I could go see them live, but didn't want to go alone. Let's hope we can work this out. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO thrilling! Westlife!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Jeffpw 18:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Total Eclipse of the Heart, Mandy, Seasons In The Sun, The Rose, Uptown Girl!!!! This is going to be a night to remember! If only we could get WJB, Raystorm and Satyr to go, too!!!!! Woo Hoo! Life just became worth living again. And meeting up with you. This is going to be so fantastic. Jeffpw 21:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


Sorry - just had to throw in the "I" thing =) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Came back to edit Wikipedia[edit]

Hi. I decided to come back to edit Wikipedia. Jet (talk) 03:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


ON the BLP noticeboard, that guy who tagged the article is now questioning if the refs are reliable. I think they are and have said so. One site has a code of ethics from the zMexican Journalism Commission, and another is both land and net based. The rest are a site from a TV show, a site from a TV network, and his fan site. How much more reliable do we need to get? Jeffpw 19:42, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiDefender Barnstar.png The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For all you do to improve this encyclopedia, and especially for your spirited defense at WP:BLP/N about the José Galisteo article. You are a fine Wikipedian and a dear friend. Jeffpw 21:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Jose Galisteo[edit]

I understand your desire here, but you have to read the policy. If he does not currently publicly self-identify as gay, then we cannot say that he is. It's black and white - there's speculation, rumor and such, but if he has refused to make public statements, we can't categorize him. FCYTravis 23:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


Should I be an administrator for Wikipedia? Jet (talk) 01:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hey[edit]

I deleted the message because I thought I was not coming back to edit Wikipedia. Sorry for deleting the message. Jet (talk) 03:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

advance peek[edit]

User:Jeffpw/sandbox Jeffpw 21:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter[edit]

Delivered on 12:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC).

Reese and Jake[edit]

Seems they are becoming a couple. Jeffpw 16:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this source reliable enough to your mind? I figure it's easier to add the Reese stuff in a well-written, well-sourced way ourselves, rather than deal with the inevitable poorly-written, unsourced additions that will keep repeatedly popping up. --Melty girl 17:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I think People is a very reliable source. It is a daughter of Time-Life news, and is fact checked. Yes, it's shallow and fluffy, but that doesn't make it wrong. I don't know what Dev thinks of it, but since your question came after my linking of it, I thought I would give my opinion. Jeffpw 17:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! --Melty girl 17:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey Dev[edit]

You are familiar with the ArbCom, and I now have Cool Hand Luke and ATren trolling my edits, reverting them, when they meeting guidelines. I've raised the issue on the Admin board. Can you make a statement? --David Shankbone 16:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment[edit]

There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 01:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Jihad for Love[edit]

Wow, that's so cool! And you met Sandi Simcha DuBowski! Any chance you took a free-use photo for Wikipedia? Haha. So the movie is showing in SF? That's great. Do you know any details about it, like when or where? The website only lists screenings outside the US. — Emiellaiendiay 00:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

You wrote...[edit]

"...the average quality of our admins (sadly lowered this past week)..." What happened? Did I miss something? - Kathryn NicDhàna 08:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


I see you are part of the adopt-a-user thing...
I was wondering if you'd like to 'adopt' me... i think i would have an interest in perhaps some similar types of articles as you ;)

thanks, Annabella...
xx Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Somewhat-Belated RfA Thanks :-)[edit]

View of loch lomond.JPG

i dont have two adopters anyway...[edit]

I only have one... as like I had to do for the second one that replied, I could not accept, as i had already been given one. At the time when I wrote the message to you, I had no adopters... I am sorry... but I did message you with a genuine interest for adoption. Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Signpost article[edit]

Hey Dev920. I'm writing the WikiProject report this week on WikiProject LGBT studies, which I noticed you coordinate. So, to spice up the story this week, I will give you a short interview :)

  1. Q: What is the best way for users unfamiliar with LGBT topics or new to Wikipedia to get involved in the project?
  2. Q: What are some of the departments in the project?
  3. Q: Are there any ongoing discussions pertaining to project issues or articles in the project's scope?
  4. Q: What are some of the features of the project's website?
  5. Q: What are some of the project's most recent achievements?

Thanks so much for your time! ( arky ) 19:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


Hi Dev, I hope you are well. Since you adopted me i've been trying to get more involved in the whole 'wikipedia thing'. I went to the meetup in Birmingham which was interesting, have started getting the signpost etc but i wondered if you could advise me on a couple of niggling queeries.

  • I've been looking into making a bot as i have a few ideas of automated functions i'd like done. I have (i think) good enough programming experience to make the thing but despite reading the articles on bots i am still a little confused about the rules.

Before i request bot approval am i allowed to either use the software to make edits simply to test the code or idealy let it loose to think for itself, provided it was confined to my own userspace? I created an account for the bot to use too.

  • I also want to make a determined effort towards editing a connected bunch of articles and getting them up to a decent standard and as there is no current wikiproject with any oversight over these articles would you recommend i make one? I wouldn't expect a huge ammount of interest as the idea i have is nowhere near as mainstream as something like LGBT but i thought that there must be other interested people out there and it would be a good place to collaborate, share info etc.

Thank you in advance Pi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pi (talkcontribs) 20:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for getting back to me, i asked SatyrTN about the bots, and as for the userproject, the one i was thinking of is Cambridge. There unfortunately isn't currently one, nor an East Anglia. :(
I just had a quick poke around your Bradford and it looks quite interesting, good luck with that. I'll keep the idea in mind i think for now because i'm a bit busy with uni interviews and stuff so don't quite have the time right now to make such a thing anyway.

Cya around Pi


I wanna goooo, but I won't have my exams' timetable for January until next week! I fervently hope some tickets are available then. I wanna go I wanna go I wanna go! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 20:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter[edit]

Delivered on 20:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 21:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

FAC TALK[edit]

I would appreciate it if you responded to my response to your comment. In Wikipedia talk:Featured Article Candidates (if i'm not mistaken) I see you are part of the kindness campaign, me too!
I am very impressed by the news article you were featured in. Congratulations!
--Keerllston 01:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

James I of England mention in the Signpost article[edit]

Hi Dev. I noticed the James article mentioned in the Signpost article (which was a nice interview, by the way). I was recently pointed to an old discussion in the archives which I thought you might find interesting: Talk:James I of England/Archive 2#For information's sake.... Lots of quotes from very reputable sources there. Where do you stand on what sources should be used in cases like this? Especially if they differ in the degree of their assessments? Mainstream history books? Biographies of James? Histories written by scholars of LGBT history? What weight should be given to each point-of-view? Carcharoth (talk) 04:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

A list[edit]

So someone has added "Gay", "Lesbian", and "-" to every entry on the 'A' list. I don't know how I feel about it - thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays[edit]

Jeeny-xmas tree.png

Lance Bass[edit]

Yeah, I think it needs a bit of copyediting before FA... I'll probably nominate it sometime in the future, after a little work is done, and I find some copyeditors. Thanks for your comment! --MgCupcake (talk) 02:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy holidays![edit]

Happy holidays Dev! I hope you get many gifts under the tree this year hee hee (perhaps a better internet connection? A ticket for the Linkin Park concert?). ;-) Cheers mate! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 19:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Jumpaclass - January[edit]

Gosh, how cool! I get to pick a subject for January that rivals Sexuality in Startrek and LGBT Racism!! There are so many subject that need work, but I guess I need to pick something that can be worked on globally and by all LGBT people. Let me ponder and I'll suggest something by the 1st Jan. Fluffball70 (talk) 13:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've thought about it and discussed it with my partner and we feel that one area that is a bit ratty that the whole LGBT world could join in with is LGBT symbols. It needs to be split/merged with LGBT slogans and symbols and is missing a great many symbols such as the 'pink union jack' that is popular here in the UK, the 'bear pride flag', the 'bisexual pride' flag etc, etc. I am sure there are more around the world. If you like this, where shall I post this suggestion? Fluffball70 (talk) 22:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Amnesty image[edit]

Do you still need it? I was thinking of starting with this one: [4] Oh - and Happy Gnu Deer! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

What do you think about an outline of these wings? I like the way they curve toward the viewer :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi there, I noticed you expressed interest in the Birmingham meetup last October. Just letting you know, another UK meetup is in planning stages, here. We need input on where and when we will meet so comments would be much appreciated. Thanks. Majorly (talk) 16:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Miss Julie[edit]

She's under the weather - or under something anyway - from what I hear. I think Gopher and Isaac are going to have to step in and put something together. Feel like giving me a hand? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi Dev, I was just wondering whether jumpaclass is actually going to operate in 2008. As a newbie, I'm happy to participate, but there is little point in my posting on jumpaclass as I make edits if it's inactive. Jay*Jay (talk) 13:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter[edit]

Delivered sometime in January 2008 (UTC). SatyrBot (talk) 23:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Mind taking a look at a LGBT article for me?[edit]

Would you mind taking a look at Ivan Bussens article for me? Looks like a copy and paste job, but since you are the coordinator for this topic you may have a vested interest in expanding the article and making it done right. Just my two cents.. Thanks. Lithron (talk) 01:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Greta Keller[edit]

I understand your reasoning for removing Greta Keller from the LGBT category and project as there is not proper substantiation in the article. I haven't worked on the article for quite some time and am not as active here as I was at one time for a number of reasons. She does belong in the category and I'll try to make some additions in the near future. Her husband's article for one mentions their marriage as a "beard" and there are a few online refs for that. I knew her and she had relationships with both men and women. Doctalk 03:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


Hello, Would you like to adopt me? I am already adopted, but I would like some more adopters. I want to learn everything about wikipedia. I have learned a lot so far, but I'm always willing to learn more. --Grrrlriot (talk) 02:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Time to graduate from Adopt-a-User[edit]

I have been adopted by you for 10 months. I now know Wikipedia rules, steps to be an admin, etc. Please accept me to graduate. Thank you. Jet (talk) 07:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


Just thought you might be interested in this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

manky meetup[edit]

Hi Dev, I look forward to meeting you at the manchester meet. Sorry I didn't check the page for a few days to reply to your question :) I just said that you should read WP:ANI for any current gossip, also you could look at those who've said they're defo coming's userpages to get a feel for each other and possible shared opinions or stuff to chat about. :) Merkinsmum 18:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter[edit]

Delivered by SatyrBot around 17:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC) SatyrBot (talk) 17:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Message from adoptee[edit]

Hi, can you remind me how to do footnotes refs, mine don't seem to be working! Thanks! Moonksy29 Wed 12/3 2200.

Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources/Example edits for different methods --W2bh (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Larry King photo[edit]

I would like to ask you for you opinion on this, I've been searching everywhere in our policies but I couldn't find an answer. Maybe you know what to do, or know someone who knows? Thank you --W2bh (talk) 02:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments, suggestions, general advice[edit]

I am currently working on Alan G. Rogers. Since you say you're primarily interested in biographies, I'd welcome your input, advice, etc. regarding the article.--Robapalooza (talk) 02:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


Dev, I am interested in being adopted (Will you adopt me?). Will you please do it as soon as you have time? I need more Wiki-experience, anyway. Thank you.Kitty53 (talk) 05:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Exodus International[edit]

The Exodus International article currently claims that Exodus provides support; editors have objected to my changing it to say "targets" or "claims to provide support". It's POV to say that a controversial organization actually does provide support when it may well actually harm them. I'm not sure the right way to go. More people involved with the LGBT project should be w atching this page i think. Tb (talk) 01:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

From an old colleague[edit]

Dev: Remember me? I am Jim Nightshade, who you "adopted" maybe back in 2006. Last year I gave a presentation at Wikimania in Taipei, which I informed you about. Since then I dropped out--because Wikimania somehow cancelled my password, and I was unable to retrieve it, and unable to log on. I kept editing articles, quite a few (many in drama, including Beckett, Mamet, Pinter, etc.), but always anonymous after that. I did not have the time to start a new user page.

Then suddenly today, I logged on again, and here I am. I see you say you are scaling back your activity on W. I see why, and I never had the time to do a lot. It's addictive, I know, but it don't pay very well.

Hope you have been well, otherwise. Ciao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim Nightshade (talkcontribs) 01:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Consensus on reasoning for LGBT Project Articles[edit]

A new discussion you may be interested in:Consensus on reasoning for LGBT Project Articles. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Gah! I don't know what I'm doing![edit]

Hey there. I'm trying to revitalize WP:LGBT by restarting the newsletter. I don't mind writing it, but I don't know how it's sent out without SatyrBot. You can read it here. What do you think, send it out in a week or so? I dunno... --Moni3 (talk) 18:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter[edit]

This newsletter was delivered by §hepBot around 16:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC). ShepBot (talk) 16:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

LGBT Guidelines on "outing" an individual[edit]

Can you point me to the LGBT Guidelines for stating whether or not an individual was gay/bisexual? I'm writing a biography of an individual who claimed to be homosexual in a book he wrote, and published under a pseudonym.(AFAIK, the only time he used that pseudonym once.) In the material he published under his usual name, his only statements about homosexuality, are negative. jonathon (talk) 20:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know that Dev is editing right now, but I'm an active member of WP:LGBT. Is the subject of your book alive? If so, you would have to adhere to the policies of Biographies of Living Persons. If the subject is not alive, either a self-admission of romantic or sexual relationships with the same sex, or reliable historical source that documents the same is needed. If you would like more input, please see the WP:LGBT talk page. --Moni3 (talk) 20:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I missed seeing your response earlier.  :( I'll ask on the QP:LGBT talk page. jonathon (talk) 00:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

May I edit your adoptee's subpage?[edit]

Hi Dev!

I have been trying to clear the list of articles needing copy-edit, and found a copy edit tag dated January 2007 on User:Rockdozen/templates, which I want to remove since there's no point in a user's subpage being on the copy edit backlog.

Since Rockdozen seems to have been inactive for almost two years, he's your adoptee, and I'm not sure if it's acceptable to edit users' subpages without their consent, I decided to ask you if that's ok.

Thanks :)

-Samuel Tan 07:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

3RR warning[edit]

I don't template editors with as many edits as you have, but, in case I need to show that you are aware of the 3RR policy, I would like to remind you that you cannot make over 3 reverts in the same article during a 24 hour period. You might want to refresh yourself with the WP:3RR policy if you haven't read it recently.
Kww (talk) 22:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey Dev920, I completely agree that including this is fine. Having cleaned up a bunch of the drivel on the talk page, though, I see where Ward3001 has been fending off some persistent madness and he likely lumped your work in that mindset. Hopefully Lindsay and Sam will get married and all the lingering questions will be silenced on the matter. Banjeboi 11:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge discussions[edit]

There is no WP guideline on the timeline of merge discussions, sometimes it takes only a day, sometimes weeks, in any case the discussion of merging Haredi Judaism with Orthodox Judaism which now seems to be more about renaming the former is ongoing. Removing the merge template quells the discussion and I would appreciate it if you could leave it to me being the one who started the discussion, to end it. ephix (talk) 21:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


Sorry I didn't reply to your nice condolence email. It was just too hard. Please do not feel affronted, and if you do, I apologize sincerely. Life is not much better now than it was a month ago, but I am slowly accepting the situation. Thanks for being a good friend, and once again, I am sorry for my lack of manners. Jeffpw (talk) 11:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Signpost updated for July 14 and 21, 2008.[edit]

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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter (July 2008)[edit]

  • Newsletter delivery by xenobot 12:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Funny quote from the NYTimes which made me think of you[edit]

The Los Angeles Police Department was absent from the hearing. In an early morning television interview, Police Chief William J. Bratton, who opposes any new laws concerning paparazzi, called the hearing a “total waste of time.”

“If you notice,” Chief Bratton said, “since Britney started wearing clothes and behaving; Paris is out of town not bothering anybody, thank God; and, evidently, Lindsay Lohan has gone gay, we don’t seem to have much of an issue.”

love, Jeffpw (talk) 08:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi Dev920. My name is Holly and I'm a friend of Eleanor, Jeffs mom. She isn't registered here but is checking in to read all the wonderful comments and tributes left by his friends. She called me today and said that she seen the comment you left about the concert you attended in London with Jeff. She remembers him telling her of this (and the fact your mom had to come to chaperone because he an older man) and it made her smile. He spoke of being excited to go and how much of a good time he had. She kept a copy of the picture you posted as she hadnt seen it and wished me to pass along a thank you for sharing it.El's friend (talk) 23:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)El's friend Holly

Post from Jeff's sister[edit]

Just a note to make sure you saw this. Banjeboi 03:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


I only just realised. I wasn't talking about the fall of the Roman Empire, but Nero's orders to burn down the city of Rome!--Editor510 drop us a line, mate 14:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposals on Template talk:Sexual orientation[edit]

Hi, you've contributed to past discussions on the Template talk:Sexual orientation page and we are now in the process of noting which of several proposals might help resolve some current content disputes. Your opinion to offer Support, Oppose, and Comment could help us see if there is consensus to approve any of these proposals. It's been suggested to only offer a Support on the one proposal you most favor but it's obviously to each editor's discretion to decide what works for them. Banjeboi 23:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Minority Sexual and Gender Identity[edit]

I am afraid I have renominated the page for deletion, as it seems to be a promotion of a newly coined term. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minority Sexual and Gender Identity for more details. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 09:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Another Jeff bit[edit]

I don't check my email often so didn't see that Jeff had sent me a message a few weeks prior. He left a link[7] to an online diary. Thought you might be interested. Banjeboi 23:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Mug shots[edit]

I started a thread here: Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Mug_shots. Would you mind giving input? Thankyou. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


Even though you are right about the LGBT project, you are wrong about BLP ... BLP applies to all pages, including talk. If this really was a BLP issue, the other editor would be right to remove it from the talk page.Kww (talk) 12:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Some advice?[edit]

I wish I could just send you a quick little email message, but I'm new to wikipedia and this is the only way I know how to contact you. I'm hoping for some advice and/or maybe just some input. :) What is the best course of action when you have a seemingly legitimate source with a direct quote from a female musician where she identifies as lesbian, yet fans etc continuously erase this information? There is an article which has been consistently edited to cover up an artist's homosexuality even though she went on record about being lesbian back in '02. The wiki article I am referring to is Brandi Carlile and here is the source: Apparently, she no longer wishes to be publicly out now that she is signed to a major label (a direct contradiction to the source btw) and her fans have been "cleansing" the article on her behalf.. TheGifted1 (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK 2.0 Voting is open :-)[edit]

A warm hello to all those signed up as guarantor members of the soon-to-be-rebooted UK chapter! Voting is now open over at meta - there's tons of information online over there, and the mailing list has been very active too. Discussion, comment (and even the inevitable technical gremlins!) are most welcome at the meta pages, otherwise please do send in your vote/s, and tell a friend about the chapter too :-) Privatemusings (talk) 22:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)I'm not actually involved in the election workings, and am just dropping these notes in to help try and spread the word :-) I welcome any or all comment too, but 'election related' stuff really is better suited to the meta pages :-)

Wikimedia UK 2.0 Vote[edit]

Hi you signed up as being interested in being a memeber of wikimedia UK 2.0. Just a reminder the that the vote for the inital board at m:Wikimedia UK v2.0/Vote ends next Saturday (September 25th).Geni 03:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

People ganging up to disrupt an article[edit]


I found you at Wikipedia:Editor assistance. If you can spare a few minutes of your time helping out at Indo-Aryan loanwords in Tamil, I would be thankful.

I am developing an article on words borrowed by Tamil from Indo-Aryan languages. I am citing a standard authoritative lexicon from which I find the words that are borrowed before including them at Indo-Aryan loanwords in Tamil. There are a few people who seem to be intent in damaging the article by adding "cite" tags, "disputed" and "dubious" tags for the article and threatening to delete it within 24 hours.

Could you please help?

Thanks. ­ Kris (talk) 18:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. The article is saved. I was concerned that a strictly academic article was going to be pulled down due to nationalistic/vested interests. ­ Kris (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

AAU reminder notice[edit]

A friendly reminder from the Adopt-a-User project =)
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Hey there Dev920! This is a friendly reminder to update your status at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters whenever it is appropriate in order to provide new users with the most up-to-date information on available adopters. Also please note that we will be removing adopters who have not edited in 60 days. If you become active again (and we hope you do!) please feel free to re-add yourself. Cheers!
  • Notice delivery by xenobot 14:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


You need to archive some of this page - 212K long!

Anyway, the bot spit out a bunch of stuff. I'm putting it at: User:Dev920/Bisexuals. I haven't reviewed it at all, which is why I'm giving it to you instead of putting it on the actual page. Enjoy! BTW, when you get a moment (and really - just a moment), would you review User:SatyrTN/List of drag queens? The original, List of drag queens, got nuked in a misguided AfD, and is currently at Deletion review. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Is this[edit]

going too far? JCzech (talk) 00:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Er. Yes. Replied on my own talk page. I could never get the hang of this talk page lark. JCzech (talk) 00:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK v2.0[edit]

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WikiProject LGBT studies Newsletter[edit]

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Student Direct[edit]

I'm intrigued that no-one's added anything about any of this year's controversies to Student Direct yet. I thought the toilet affair would be straight on there. I'm going to write it myself when I'm a bit less tired. JCzech (talk) 05:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


Ah go on, go on, go on, go on.:) Sticky Parkin 03:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

A few from Manc may come, they did last time. I'm just contacting anyone who was involved in the planning page of the last Birmingham meetup and said they might come. Sticky Parkin 15:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday![edit]

Have a great day :) --Ged UK (talk) 21:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


A reminder that the Manchester meetup is this Saturday. Hope to see you there! Majorly talk 18:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

LGBT project[edit]

The is a discussion about the direction of the project on the talk page, and possibly restructuring & reassigning the coordinators. Do you still have enough time/desire to be a coordinator, possibly one of several? OR are you concentrating on mainspace work for a while? Just wanted to ask before the conversation got too far advanced.YobMod 11:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup/Manchester 5[edit]

Hey there. I notice you were interested in attending [[Manchester 4; we're in the process of organising another one for some time in April. Hope you'll pop along to the page to organise a time and date appropriate for you :). Ironholds (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


The source that was missing was not that the word means "hard" in Welsh, but that there's any connection between that and the Daleks or Kaleds in Doctor Who. (Yes, Terry Nation was Welsh, but that's far too circumstantial — we'd need some reliable source making the connection.)

There used to be a sentence in Dalek pointing out that in Russian and other Slavic languages, the root dalek (Russian далеко, daleko) means distant or far away. It was removed in the Featured Article Review because there was no source making the connection. I figured that caled would fail to meet muster, for the same reason. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 01:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Student Direct[edit]

It's nowhere near finished - I got started on it mainly because Kate was happy that there was an article for her union's The Boar but not for our SD. Then I got distracted by other things and never did anything with it (though I am pleased to see that there have been a couple of edits to it since I left it). Would you care to give any examples of inaccuracy? :-P JCzech (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

#LGBTproject IRC channel[edit]

Hey, who's in charge of this channel these days? I see Raystorm (talk · contribs) is inactive and based on the project talk page archives, it seems he/she was handling it at one point last year. I'm just trying to find out so I can see if I should put the efforts into resurrecting it as a resource for the project. I go in the channel from time to time but no one is ever there. Do we have a contact person? Are you one? Who's handling the administrative functions such as making someone an op, banning a homophobe, etc. ? - ALLSTRecho wuz here @ 09:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Raystorm hasn't been active for a while and Satyr has been sparadic as well. I went on and set up a new channel as I was told it needed to follow conventional naming convention for Wikipedia related channels anyway.. #wikipedia-en-lgbt connect, for coordination, collaboration and socializing. This channel is hosted on Freenode and can be accessed in one of two ways: If you already have an IRC client, click the link to the left. If you do not have an IRC client, you'll need to get one installed on your computer first. Once you've done this, then click on the link to the left. For more information on IRC and a listing of other useful Wikipedia-related channels, see Wikipedia:IRC channels. :) - ALLSTRecho wuz here 00:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
To be honest, I thought the "naming convention" argument put forward was a bit weird since there's really no Wikipedia policy for IRC - at least none that I know of. But it does make sense when I look at the Wikipedia related channels and how they are name such as the channels #wikipedia and #wikipedia-en and #wikipedia-admins , etc. Anyway, I don't want it to be "all mine", I want OUR project to use OUR irc channel. :] - ALLSTRecho wuz here 16:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies Newsletter (June 2009)[edit]

  • Newsletter delivery by xenobot 17:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello again :)[edit]

Hi, I have been away from Wikipedia for a looong time. We exchanged notes when I was still an active user:) I see you are still pretty active - if I could be of any help when LGBTQ topics meet anything Polish or connected with Poland please let me know... The Polish Wikipedia oozes with homophobia, I was fed up with wikipedia for some time... Greetings! (and I hope I wrote this message in the right place, I forgot how things are done here eheh) Boyau (talk) 17:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


Hey, long time no see. :) How is it going? Happy New Year! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 15:08, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hehe, I remember how crazy it can be. Enjoy it while you can! College life beats real life. :P But I do hope you're doing great. As for me, I recently finished my Master's degree, which freed up my time considerably, let me tell ya! I'm contributing again to the Spanish Wikipedia quite actively. I had missed editing articles, isn't that funny? But when I returned to the English wikipedia, I saw that many of the "old" faces were gone. Allstarecho, David Shankbone, WJBscribe (although it seems he's back now, yay), you... I guess it can't be helped, life does go on. But I was happy to see you pop up on my watchlist the other day. :) Maybe you'll let the wikibug bite you again, hehe. Cheers Raystorm (¿Sí?) 23:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs[edit]

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Hi! I would love your help![edit]

Hey Dev920! I can see you've had major success here on Wikipedia. I personally have always wanted to be behind the making of a Featured Article, and I can see you've had not one but 5. I have been working on Linda McMahon recently, and I take a lot of pride in that page. I personally am a bit of a fan, and I can see what I've been writing is coming close to weasel words and peacocking now. Let me know, how can I improve my edits? I definitely would like your feedback, and I personally wish I could get a good guide or good sense of how you mastered not one but 5 featured articles.

Thanks so much!

--Screwball23 talk 19:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

LGBT Project election[edit]

Hello Dev920, you are receiving this message because you are listed as the LGBT Wikiproject coordinator. I have decided to hold an election (and to run) for the position, so I am inviting you to run if you feel you can still perform the duties of coordinator. The WordsmithCommunicate 19:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi Dev920,

I've started to clean up the Adopters' list. You appear to appear to have been editing only sporadically in the last months. I wonder if you're still interested in adopting new users. If you're not interested any more, would you mind removing yourself? Thank you and happy editing, Snowolf How can I help? 11:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Latter Days FAR[edit]

I have nominated Latter Days for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. - Kollision (talk) 03:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Editor assistance list[edit]

Hello. Since your account has been inactive for some time, it has been removed from Wikipedia:Editor assistance/list. There is an explanation at Wikipedia talk:Editor assistance/list#Problem with inactive accounts on the list. You are, of course, welcome to re-add yourself to the list if you wish to. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies partnership with new WikiQueer project?[edit]

Greetings, I am the sysop and public representative for a new Wiki project, WikiQueer - specifically for the LGBTQ communities - that supplements the LGBTQ content on Wikipedia with other resources, talking points and information pertaining to the LGBTQ population. Essentially content currently not allowed on Wikipedia or articles that don't meet Wikipedia's notability requirements but might meet the notability requirements of a queer historian. Put another way - all that content some of us wished we could post but have had shot down too many times to keep trying. We will be soft launching in the next few days with a grand opening later this year. I am very interested in partnering and supporting Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation in whatever ways we can. A number of international, national and local nonprofit organizations and community leaders have already signed onto the project or are preparing to publicly join in the coming months.

I am hoping that as the coordinator of WikiProject LGBT studies you can help us navigate a possible partnership. We're especially keen on helping convey that we support Wikipedia and are trying to expand on and enhance that experience rather than challenge or compete. In a number of ways we are attempting to promote and give due credit to the WikiProject LGBT studies and will continue to expand on those efforts.

Any feedback on the WikiQueer project itself is also appreciated. We're also actively seeking individuals within or supportive of queer communities to join our Global Advisory Board if you or others you know may be interested.

Thank you in advance for your time and I appreciate all of the great work you and other Wikipedians are doing!! --Varnent (talk) 06:25, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for posting on the WikiProject about the possibility of a collaboration. I'm happy to field any questions or concerns folks may have. Since I sent that message, we've had some interesting developments. Largely, some better examples of how we intent to collaborate with, rather than duplicate, other projects. Here are a few examples that I hope will give you a better sense of what we're hoping to accomplish with these partnerships:
Please also know that we're very keen on adding new project advisors to help navigate initial concerns. --Varnent (talk) 02:23, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for such a delayed response to your inquiry on my talk page. Wanted to give you a more thoughtful response - which led to a whole serious of conversations and investigating ideas.  :)
In general, I think mutual support on each other's wiki project is a quick summary - but I could see things being a bit more in-depth. We're mimicking a lot of the enWP infrastructure, intentionally, to help certain articles develop with the hopes of having an in-depth version put up on enWP once it qualifies. Sort of an incubator for LGBT related articles that may take a longer period than a sandbox approach would generally be used for to gain notability or meet other qualifications. Additionally, I think we could consider some joint efforts to recruit volunteers. We have intentions of being present at Creating Change (world's largest gathering of LGBT activists) and other events through our organization partnerships. Also in discussions about webinars with international and national LGBT organizations which could potentially promote both projects. If supporting WMF directly is a WP:LGBT goal, we're discussing local joint fundraisers with WMF folks and another LGBT wiki project. Finally, we have recently signed an agreement with a new mobile app in development that's uniting hundreds of LGBT organizations around the world to help educate the public, recruit volunteers for projects and raise funds for those projects. Within our area we could help promote WP:LGBT efforts and promote our collaboration.
Sorry if that's a bit of a longer response than you were hoping for, but trying to get some brainstorming going.  :) Let me know if this is of any interest. Thank you! --Varnent (talk) 01:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Marijuana Parties for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Marijuana Parties is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Marijuana Parties until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Winner 42 Talk to me! 19:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)