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John Vanbrugh talk page[edit]

You realise its all been archived already, the content isn't actually being deleted. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 00:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I said there was nothing of value because its contains lots of WP:DRAMA. I'm sorry my edit summary was unclear about the archiving. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 00:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I am the user guilty of removing the grave accent from the word premiered in the article on Shakespeare's Twelfth Night. I ought to note that anything on my IP address's talk page--mostly vandalism--is not related to me; I use a public internet connection in my dorm. You reverted it back and I'm curious as to why. I see this as an opportunity to either learn something involving the use of that accent in the English language (I'm familiar with it in French, but I've hardly ever seen it in English) or to witness a serious caretaker of a wikipedia article. So yes, why? Pedantry or otherwise? I don't mean offend, I just don't see cause for its use other than pedantry. The word is used in wikipedia's article on The Taming of the Shrew without the accent, and I'm willing to assume it's present in many many many many other articles (films come to mind) without the accent.

(I've also searched for some esoteric use of the word... thinking perhaps there is a different definition for premièred, but to no avail. If so, tell. Then it hit me that, being that I am American, it could just be the English English spelling of the word, but then I remembered the Premiere League and how the accent is absent there as well.) --Chris Rogers —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:08, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

London Wikimedia Fundraiser[edit]

Good evening! This is a friendly message from Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry, inviting you to the London Wikimedia Fundraising party on 19th December 2010, in approximately one week. This party is being held at an artistic London venue with room for approximately 300 people, and is being funded by Ed Saperia, a non-Wikipedian who has a reputation for holding exclusive events all over London. This year, he wants to help Wikipedia, and is subsidising a charity event for us. We're keen to get as many Wikimedians coming as possible, and we already have approximately 200 guests, including members of the press, and some mystery guests! More details can be found at - expect an Eigenharp, a mulled wine hot tub, a free hog roast, a haybale amphitheatre and more. If you're interested in coming - and we'd love to have you - please go to the ten.wikipedia page and follow the link to the Facebook event. Signing up on Facebook will add you to the party guestlist. Entry fee is a heavily subsidised £5 and entry is restricted to over 18s. It promises to be a 10th birthday party to remember! If you have any questions, please email me at chasemewiki at

Hope we'll see you there, (and apologies for the talk page spam) - Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 22:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Burlesque (genre) merged into Burlesque[edit]

You may wish to comment here. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

The Contribution Team cordially invites you to Imperial College London

All Hail The Muffin Nor does it taste nice... 17:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Synthèse idéelle de la différence[edit]

I'm not interested in an edit war over this topic, but I'm unaware of any WP policy that mandates sticking to published translations. Deleuze's words are perfectly verifiable. 271828182 (talk) 17:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

English translations[edit]

The Bulgakov translations are questionable at best. If there is a copyright violation, though, it would seem that the burden of infringement would be on

The Kataev translations are taken from Soviet publications, and so only Russian copyright laws should be applicable. There are quite a few Soviet era texts from the same publishing companies available for free on

The website, which holds 10000+ text, audio and video resources, displays the following: With the support of the Federal Agency for Press and Mass Communications.

In the end, I'm really not sure what copyright laws apply to a Russian based website with Russian Federation support. There are quite a few other Russian author pages on Wikipedia with links to translations that are on, and these links provide rare texts, and, in the case of Kataev's novels, texts that are unavailable or extremely difficult to purchase.

The Bulgakov links are, in my opinion, the only really iffy ones, but whether or not is violating copyright or linking to them is a copyright violation in itself, I don't know.--I NEVER CRY 18:53, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Since Mikhail Bulgakov died in 1940, most of his works are in public domain now. GreyHood Talk 14:17, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
That is only true for the Russian-language works. The copyright of English-language translations belongs to the translators. DionysosProteus (talk) 14:21, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Arena Stage article importance[edit]

Good Evening

I would like to know your rationale in demoting Arena Stage (Washington, D.C.) importance rating from 'high' to 'low'

It is one of the oldest resident theatre companies in the United States, predates the current outside New York theatre boom by decades, and was the driving force behind the formation of the League of Resident Theatres. It has just completed a major remodeling and is now the second largest theatre complex in Washington DC behind the Kennedy Center. Personally I would regard it as the epitome of a high importance theatre company article, although I would not strongly object to a "mid" importance rating. I cannot agree with a "low"

I look forward to hearing from you


Ecragg (talk) 02:13, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Certainly. The Top/High/Mid/Low assessments refer not to the subject of the article's importance in general, but specifically its importance to the Theatre project. This is a way of prioritising work undertaken by the project members. If you look in each category at the kind of articles it includes, you'll get a good idea of how this assessment is being made. For example, the top importance articles refer to the fundamental concepts - theatre, drama, actor, etc. The high-level Theatre articles list the most important plays and institutions that your average theatre student will know about, regardless of geographical location (but with a strong bias towards the West, of course, this being the English-language wiki) - so, An Actor Prepares, Blood Wedding, Moscow Art Theatre. Note the last one - the MAT is known globally by every theatre student and it changed the history of theatre. So "high" means pretty high, you see. I haven't cleaned out the Mid-importance category, so it'll be full of a lot of articles that shouldn't be there, but in general this should still be populated by articles that one could reasonably expect most theatre students in the Western world to be familiar with, but at a step down from the "high" ones (note: Oedipus Rex and Hamlet are "high"). The Arena Stage (Washington, D.C.) just doesn't reach those levels. The assessment in no way suggests that the article's subject is unimportant, but only that, relative to all the other theatre articles out there, that it is a highly-specialised subject. Regards,  • DP •  {huh?} 02:32, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


Next month[edit]

Thanks for the message. Sure, I was just making a suggestion. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, it looks like you are working hard to get the project moving, so kudos to you. If I may make a tiny suggestion (and believe me, I could take my own advice sometimes!) you could be a little more solicitous to editors like the IP with whom you had the long discussion about the Lead. He/she seemed genuinely interested in helping out. I know it can be frustrating to deal with newbies sometimes, and sometimes people really are impossible to deal with, but some newbies can become good contributors later, even if they start out on the wrong foot. In any case, kindness focuses the discussion on the content rather than the editors. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:45, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. The question always arises about what to do about non-Western traditions. Currently, the Lead of the Theatre article specifically discusses Western theatre and doesn't say anything one way or another about Eastern traditions. You'll have to either exclude them from the scope of the article, or else say something about them in the Lead. I recommend that you post something on the talk page about what your (at least initial) plan is regarding them, because they really are an elephant in the room, so to speak. I made a few changes to the Lead to try to explain the scope better (at least as relates to Western theatre), but I imagine you have plans to expand the Lead. I also added some more content re: musical theatre, but I don't want to make it too big a deal, per WP:UNDUE. If the article becomes much more comprehensive, we can consider then whether you still want more on musicals, which I'm happy to get you. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Here you go: The Drama 100 online. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:48, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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Edwardian musical comedy[edit]

I added a footnote. Edwardian musical comedy stretched beyond Edward's reign in both directions, from 1892 to about 1920. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Trickster of Seville and the Stone Guest[edit]

Thank you for your kindly answering my note and researching the book. I will finally buy it online even though it's going to take much too long to arrive for my purposes (as I live in South America, Brazil - still, better late than never). I asked for a link b/c I presupposed the translation was already in PD - and probably is? I don't know, as I haven't seen the publication date of the translated piece.

Thank you once more.


A Barnstar for you![edit]

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Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tui (intellectual) since you started the article back in 2009.BigJim707 (talk) 08:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Gerhart_Hauptmann / Titanic tie-in[edit]

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Thanks for that, dear Greek deity! (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


Hello, could you please tell me why this short story does come up in Chekhovs article, but not in his bibliography? Also, I've tried searching for it in Dutch, no results whatsoever. Is there something up with this story or not? (talk) 20:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


Three years ago you inserted references to ‘Brockett & Hildy 2003’, but there is no such title in the bibliography. Could you supply the details?

Lgfcd (talk) 01:50, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


Do not use {{Campaignbox}} in a general navigation boxes. Campaignbox template should be used in the battles in a campaign, theater (warfare), or war (or, more rarely, among several campaigns or wars), not theatre.--777sms (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

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Greetings. I think you should be made aware of Wikipedia's policy on civility. According to this policy, "Editors are expected to be reasonably cooperative, to refrain from making personal attacks, to work within the scope of policies, and to be responsive to good-faith questions". I believe that several of your recent contributions at Talk:Ajax (play) § Sophocles' or Sophocles's?, such as making rude comments and bluntly refusing to respond to requests for information that you claimed to possess, could be seen as a violation of this policy. Please note that such behaviour, if continued, can result in an administrator block. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 16:28, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Please also note that editing other users' comments to change their meaning – even on one's own talk page – as was done here, goes against Wikipedia's talk page guidelines. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 20:31, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Coconutporkpie, I don't know what on earth you imagine you're playing at, but you are violating WP guidelines when you rewrite messages you have sent to me hours after having left them. As stated in the history reverts, if you want to revise your opinion, then a new note is the appropriate way. If this utterly inappropriate behaviour continues, I will request that you are banned. You have been warned. Don't do it again. I trust that that is perfectly, transparently clear to you.  • DP •  {huh?} 20:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
I believe you are in error there. It is "accepted and common practice" to edit one's own talk page comments for a short while if no one has responded, to correct mistakes or otherwise improve them. I think the gist of my earlier revision here comes through even in the reverted version, so I won't press the issue.
However, continuing to leave insulting comments at Talk:Ajax (play) § Sophocles' or Sophocles's?, plus unspecified accusations of impropriety, as was done at 18:40, 16 August 2016, is another form of incivility. If it continues, my next step will be at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 21:15, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
No, having responded to the first version of your message, that needed to stay as it was. Furthermore, there is nothing "unspecified" about your impropriety, nor "insulting" about calling you on it. It is given in some detail in my messages on the Ajax talk page and evidenced by your contributions to that page in the past. Your behaviour is and remains inappropriate. Kindly stop wasting my time.  • DP •  {huh?} 21:22, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
If you are referring to your lengthy message at Talk:Ajax (play) § Sophocles' or Sophocles's?, obviously I hadn't seen it when editing my remarks here. And it is another kind of practice discouraged by Wikipedia's guidelines, as it creates a fragmented discussion. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 21:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Please see my many requests that you stop wasting my -- and everyone else's, from the looks of the Ajax talk page -- time. Typical of your approach is your decision to frame that last one as "If you are referring...", when it is perfectly apparent that I am refering to the post I made that you linked here. That response belonged on the talk page of the article, as I'm sure you know.  • DP •  {huh?} 21:42, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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You do know that virtually all articles on Wikipedia about fictional characters use the word fictional in the opening sentence, right? If you want to change that, start a discussion somewhere, rather than removing the word from a few articles. Your reasoning is flawed. A couple more notes, using "fictional character" in the lead of comics articles is WikiProject consensus, and there's a troll I know of who has been making these edits for years now, resulting in many page protections. —DangerousJXD (talk) 07:57, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Could you explain in what way my reasoning is flawed? I wrote most of the article on character many years ago, precisely to help Wikipedia avoid the stupidity of seeming to say "a dead corpse" or "a wet ocean". We do, indeed, qualify the word "character" with "fictional", but properly only when the fictionality is at stake -- say, in a philosophical or semiotic discussion of the ontological status of characters. That an error is widespread in Wikipedia articles doesn't demonstrate its correctness.  • DP •  {huh?} 12:24, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't have anything to add to the above comments. I'd rather not waste hours writing something up more conclusive when I've been playing this game with a troll for over a year. I find it hard to take your comments seriously; "wet ocean" and "dead corpse" simply are not used by anybody with a brain, you removed the phrase from around eight random articles when thousands upon thousands more use the phrase, and you genuinely believe the phrase "fictional character" is an error, which is baffling to me. Again, if you want to abolish a perfectly acceptable phrase that is used in countless articles here, then go start a discussion somewhere before removing it from a handful of articles, although, I doubt you'll get enough support. If you do start a discussion, don't drag me into it. —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:15, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
It doesn't surprise me that you found it tricky to compose a response, since the issues involved are more complex than might appear at first glance. I appreciate, too, that you have little interest in pursuing it further. There are, of course, far more important things to be done here. However, I'd like to make a plea: if you have, as you said, been involved with a "troll" over the description "fictional character" vs. "character", there are two things to consider. More immediately, if the term is to be linked, the link should be to Character (arts), not a redirect, so "fictional" shouldn't be part of that link. If you're "correcting" that, your energy in that respect isn't well spent. In the longer term, I'd encourage you to consider this: if we look at the earliest versions of the articles of most 'major' subjects, they are terrible--embarassingly so. They make it clear that the contempt in which Wikipedia is held in the academic community is entirely deserved. But, as I'm sure you appreciate, Wikipedia is a project. Slowly and gradually, through our efforts, articles improve, are sourced, and subjected to our guidelines with increasing rigour. As the articles evolve in this manner, falsehoods, misapplications, biases, etc. are removed. The content of articles develops from snippets gleaned ecclectically from scouring Google Books towards a properly encyclopaedic treatment based on a good understanding of the relevant subject. As an expert in the field of drama, in which characters are our bread-and-butter, the "fictionality" of characters is something I have studied in great depth over a substantial period of time. I'm not making an argument based on authority for a change here-and-now, but rather simply offering a context that might give you pause to reflect and re-consider. There are contexts in which it's appropriate to say (when we write in a scholarly manner, as opposed to journalism) "fictional character". Say we're discussing Shakespeare's character Macbeth and comparing it with the historical person on whom it's based. We might want to talk about the latter's "character" in the sense of his personality and morality (the other dictionary definition). The qualification "fictional" might be appropriate in such a discussion to distinguish the senses involved. If we're talking about Hitler in the film Downfall, he is as much a "fictional" character as Oedipus or Hamlet, but we might, if comparing the portrayal with the historical person, wish to append the term to the "character" in the film. Or, as I said, if we're conducting a philosophical or semiotic inquiry into the ontological status of "characters", we might append "fictional", precisely because the reality/fiction distinction is what's at issue. However, the usage that you're pointing to, in the opening sentence of an article that usually takes the form of something like "Stilgar is a character in Frank Herber's novel Dune", no one is going to think that we're talking about a real person. The qualification is entirely redundant -- to which extent, the comparison with "The Atlantic is a wet ocean" isn't entirely inappropriate. I'm aware that Wikipedia articles use it widely. I'd suggest this is largly a result of one editor following the precedent of another editor, in a snowball effect. It doesn't, however, make it right--however widespread. I'm confident that sooner or later this misapplication will be corrected across the project. I appreciate there are more important things requiring attention, though. If there weren't more pressing issues that I'm interested in addressing myself, I'd do as you suggest and make the argument. I believe that such an argument is ill-founded at present, in lieu of a substantial development of the character article and those related to it. I'd hope to get around to that eventually. If Wikipedia remains true to its principles, though, sooner or later the ill-founded convention will be abolished. In the meantime, I'd hope that the explanation might encourage you not to make a widespread problem even worse. Regards,  • DP •  {huh?} 13:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
I have read your rant. All I can say is this: good luck and goodbye. —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:41, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
To characterise my careful, informed, and reasoned explanation as a "rant" says far more about you than me, I'm afraid.  • DP •  {huh?} 15:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

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chekhov is ukrainian by father[edit]

hi, chekhov is ukrainian by father and I don't think a small notice will hurt. U ask for citations: 1. first of all it's in article itself "His father, Pavel Yegorovich Chekhov, the son of a former serf, was from a village Vilkhovatka near Kobeliaky (Poltava Region in modern-day Ukraine) and ran a grocery store." 2. here u got another one: -"Chekhov's paternal grandmother Efrosinia Emelianovna, whom her grandchildren saw even less, for she rarely left the farm, was Ukrainian. All the loud laughter and singing, the fury and joy that Chekhov associated with Ukrainians, had been beaten out of her. She was as surly as her husband, with whom she lived fifty-eight years before her death in 1878." -this from his father diary: "I remember my mother came from Kiev and I saw her" this is from the site looks pretty solid. here you go another one, from his personal letter : "Moreover, I imagine the journey will be six months of incessant hard work, physical and mental, and that is essential for me, for I am a Little Russian and have already begun to be lazy." ( "Little Russians" (Maloross in rus.) is how Ukrainians were called back then, the Russians themselves were called "Great Russians" (Velikoross). U can read an article about it on wiki (talk) 21:18, 21 August 2016 (UTC)