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Paisos[edit]

Alghero is a part of Sardinia that is included in the Paisos Catalans--Yaya Silva (talk) 17:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Deus salvit su rei[edit]

Sorry Sir, I had to undo your intervention because the Hymnu sardu nationali was the national anthem of the kingdom of Sardinia, the historical state of all sardinians for five century and not a "sum" of foreign domination. It was written in Sardinian language by a Sardinian and was thought to all sardinian pupils until Italy was a monarchy. It is a 19th century anthem, written in times of romantic national ideology and not in modern time. It is far from modern (so to speak) nationalistic movements but it is our history, modern history as well: it was played when italian republic President Cossiga, a Sardinian, left the Quirinale as a farewell to outgoing presidente. As for me, I don't like Su Pattriottu sardu a sos feudatarios, a giacobine hymn, but I put it as a symbol because it is in our history, I like or I don't like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roburq (talkcontribs) 07:36, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Let us do this way then, in order to avoid any misunderstanding which might occur by reading "national hymn". In addition to it, I'll add "... of the once existed Kingdom of Sardinia". Shall we do that?Dk1919 Franking (talk)
Ok, it's a good compromise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roburq (talkcontribs) 08:36, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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Italians[edit]

Hallo Dk1919
I noticed your reverts on the Italians article. Why don't you try to discuss the issue on the talk page, and then later ask a Third Opinion? Forza Paris :-) Alex2006 (talk) 10:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to start a dialogue (hoping it won't turn into a heated argument). Dk1919 (talk)
That's the way wikipedia works. Consensus should be reached through discussion, and added information should be reliably sourced. Bye Alex2006 (talk) 07:30, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
You may want to take a look at the edit hitory to realise it's not me who started an edit war, but a user who's actually adding unnecessary, as well as poorly sourced, info. In fact, let's assume, for the sake of the argument, that Italians really existed back then, when the concept of nation was yet to be invented: even then it wouldn't still be considered correct, as the same could be said of all European people who used to speak Latin before shifting to the creole idioms known as Romance languages. Therefore, it's just an anachronism and I think it should be treated as such. Dk1919 (talk)
I totally agree with you about the user, his history and the problem in object. A necessary condition to define a community as "italian" is - among others - that at least people in the upper class speak (or spoke) Italian. Inhabitants of Italy of - let's say - the sixth century, speaking a kind of corrupted Latin, cannot be define as "Italians", exactly as Gauls cannot be defined as french: it is a plain anachronism. But what I wanted to say is that is not enough to be right: you must source your info. In this case, for example, using sources as the "Storia d'Italia" of Einaudi (first volume) or, even better, "Il linguaggio d'Italia" by Giacomo Devoto (N.B. "Il linguaggio d'Italia", not "Il linguaggio degli Italiani". Already the title proofs your thesis. :-)). Bye Alex2006 (talk) 12:30, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Conservative (language) ‎[edit]

Hello, Dk1919 Franking. You recently edited Conservative (language), noting that Sardinian is considered a conservative language. Unfortunately, you did not cite a reliable source to verify the content you added. In addition, by adding part of the information in sentences cited to another source (Trask), you made it appear that Trask is the source for that information. I don't think that is the case.

If you think that this information belongs in the article Conservative (language), please cite a reliable source that calls Sardinian a conservative language. Thanks, and happy editing. Cnilep (talk) 04:24, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Languages of Europe[edit]

Hallo Dk1919 Franking
currently there is a discussion on Languages of Europe about Sardinian: maybe you want to join. Bye, Alex2006 (talk) 06:25, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. Not only is Sardinian, at the moment, a unique language that's slowly and painfully dying under a huge stigma, but isn't even regarded as a language by certain people (sadly, Italians for the most part, as I've noted), in spite of all that's been said abroad. What a pity.--Dk1919 (talk) 13:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Not every Italian luckily has the same opinion: in Corsica (!) once I read on a wall a graffiti which recited "Diversità faci ricchezza". That's exactly what I think. Weaker cultures should be protected by the stronger ones, not killed. Alex2006 (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 :-) Relieving to know. Thanks.--Dk1919 (talk) 14:25, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

BTW, there is again the same mess at Italians because of the historically relevant Latin... Alex2006 (talk) 15:08, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I thought as much. Maybe the same virtual havoc wrought by the same user (Enok, if I'm not mistaken). Since it stubbornly continues to revert over and over in spite of the consensus already reached, I wonder if we could do something to put an end to it.--Dk1919 (talk) 15:17, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
The problem with him is that he steadily refuses to get the point. I asked for a third opinion, let's look what happens. Danger is that it will come some theoretical physicist from New Zealand as expert... :-) Anyway, I replied to him on the discussion page. Alex2006 (talk) 15:23, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
I asked full protection for the Italians article and, moreover, also a third opinion, always hoping that he goes to the talk page. Otherwise, as last resource we have to open an incident procedure against him.Alex2006 (talk) 05:55, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Update:Our friend has been blocked two days for edit warring. The third opinion has been rejected, since more than two editors are involved. Alex2006 (talk) 14:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

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Boycott Russian Films[edit]

Hello, Dk1919! Campaign for boycotting Russian goods expanded and branched out into another campaign - the boycott of Russian Films. We already have an article in English Wikipedia. I understand that this is a lot to ask for translation, but I would really appreciate if a similar article appeared on Sardinian Wikipedia. I take upon myself to organize and structure the article, all I need is the translation of the text. I really hope for the cooperation. Please let me know if you have any question. Thank you!--Trydence (talk) 16:55, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Tuscan dialect[edit]

I meant the part about it being a huge bone of contention to be the biggest reason for needing a cite by an author who can find it. I did not intend it as something I was adding to the prose as that wording would be editorialising in its current form (not mention the fact that it's using a colloquial expression) and need a cite itself. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 14 Shevat 5775 01:34, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok, now it makes more sense.--Dk1919 (talk) 08:28, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm not exactly sure how you thought otherwise when it was in more advanced wikicode.... Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 15 Shevat 5775 01:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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Italians in France[edit]

Hallo DK1919, if you have time could you please have a look to the article Italians in France? your meaning is needed...Thanks Alex2006 (talk) 04:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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Italian irredentism in Corsica[edit]

Dear Dk1919 Franking, if you have time, could you please have a look at Italian irredentism in Corsica? I just opened a thread on the talk page. Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 17:23, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Corso-Sardinian[edit]

There can be only two explanations: 1st, you support a political ideology and you use wikipedia for this purpose, or, 2nd, you ignore how wikipedia sources work. Anyway, I hope it is the second one. As you can read Corso-Sardinian Studies Center), it is just a study-center, about Sardinian languages and Corsican language, considering also the relations between the mentioned languages. When the article says Sardo-Corso, it is talking about a linguistic group and not about a language (anyway it is an original research, because it is an article of newspaper that is using that definition and not a linguist or a specialised magazine or book). Sassarese is an independent language, while Gallurese is a Corsican dialect.--93.32.173.112 (talk) 15:05, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

As to your activity, instead, I've got now little doubt that you're actually edit warring like there is no tomorrow with little to nothing to back it up, and that's something you've been told a number of times before (here and here, and that's only a tiny fraction of the times I decided to make contact with you in order for you to behave at least in a civil manner: I'm now writing myself on my own personal page because I'm just tired of posting on that of yours, which is constantly changing). I don't know either what your goals are (implying I'm writing on Wikipedia to support a political idea is pretty rude, by the way), but I see you're also a single-purpose user (it's not a bad thing in itself, you know, everyone is free to write about whatever he wishes, as long as you know something about it and you make sure to observe certain standards): you seem in fact to always appear on every Sardinia-related topic, under different IPs (which, by geolocation, reveal that you're writing from Milan...), removing any possible mention to pages regarding Sardinians and the Sardinian language (which you wanted to be removed from the list of the Romance languages, belittling it as a "dialect") and everything else that may stand in the way (this time it's been the Corsicans), without a basic degree of consultation with others. I really don't know what's bothering you, it's like you refuse the very notion of Sardinians being a people like any other on the face of this planet, and sorry, that's more a political claim than any other which is quite widespread in Italy, unfortunately (to the point where the article written in Italian has been perma-banned, as if its presence were taboo). The only thing I'm sure is that you desperately need to create an account, so that you take some responsibilities and be finally accountable to the community. I'm even suspecting you actually *have* already an account of your own but don't use it on these occasions for fear of being admonished or blocked, but whatever. Just stop edit warring, you're not doing a good service to Wikipedia by behaving like that, ok?--Dk1919 (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Sicilian Movements (and Sardinian people)[edit]

Hallo Dk1919 Franking, if you have time and lust could you please bring your contribution to this discussion about autonomistic movements in Italy? There is an ip that started with the Sicilian ones but just edited also the part about Sardinia. Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 17:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I presume it's once again the anonymous Italian edit warrior.--Dk1919 (talk) 15:58, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

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di niente[edit]

Salve! Come si dice «di niente» in sardo? Saluti, --Romanophile (talk) 13:03, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Come si dice grazie mille? --Romanophile (talk) 01:02, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Sono lessicografo. Il mio obiettivo vitale è apprendere ogni lingua romanza. Amo il suono, la storia, la grammatica & il vocabolario delle nostre lingue. Saluti cordiali, --Romanophile (talk) 23:02, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Che significa «bevida»? --Romanophile (talk) 21:29, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Potresti bloccare la voce "Sardinian People" o bannare un IP?[edit]

Lo chiedo perché non sono pratico con Wikipedia e c'è un solito individuo dalla campania complessato che sta postando falsità in merito all'altezza dei sardi, mistificando una ricerca genetica fatta all'interno di uno studio sulla longevità in Ogliastra. Questo individuo campano sta falsificando costantemente ciò che c'è scritto in quello studio affermando che i sardi sarebbero i più bassi d'europa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.39.122.204 (talk) 15:44, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Sardinian People 'article'[edit]

Hallo, Franking,
i am justletting you know that there seems to be another rush (get the yeyo a joke) a this article;
i have comitted a change and am discussing it on that talkpage; i am just awaring/telling you of that current situation. Agilulf2007 (talk) 23:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

I'd enjoy chatting with you[edit]

These talk pages are very nationalist and closed to positions that threaten their narratives. I'd be really interested in chatting with you sometime as another linguistic minority and linguist with an appreciation for history! facebook.com/paulrausch or paulrausch@gmail.com hopefully we can chat! thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paolorausch (talkcontribs) 11:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Weird! that email rejected, maybe a typo?Paolorausch (talk) 02:01, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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Sardinian language[edit]

As you want !! But history is not sociolinguistics: it's another subject, another point of view. It would be better to cut something in history that to cancel a whole piece. I do not know you, I do not now which is your role in Wiki, but I have suspect you are Sardinian and have many prejudices and a precise idea about standardization of Sardinian language. Am I mistaken?User:Robur.q

Sardinian language[edit]

Dear Dk1919 Franking, thank you very much indeed for your "fatiga meda" po ai partziu su traballu miu e tradusiu unu pagu mellus. ;-) Eia, apu tentu sa duda chi tui fessit de sa parti de is LCSistas. Po meda .....trastus. Biu chi scris in campidanesu e duncas scusa-mi po custa impressioni frassa, puru poita no est sa primu borta ca mi currigis (e deu no apu nau nudda, ca no fatzu vandalismu). Po esemplu, m'as currigiu sa diferentzia a intru de sa dialettologia e is variantis storicas diastraticas e literarias. Is urtimas funt Campidanesu e Logudoresu, is primas funt su macro-grupu dialettali de Cabesusu e su de sa Sardinnia meridionali. Dialetus de su sardu setentrionali e de su meridionali. E custu est sociolinguisticamente de importu meda, de sociolinguistica storica e moderna puru. Deu apu scritu un articulu chi fiat sa storia sociolinguistica de sa Sardinnia. E sa cultura de Arzachena est importanti, poita est unu indiziu de sa presentzia de diferentzias etnicas pre-romanas e duncas de sa presentzia in Sardinnia de un atru sistema linguisticu autoctonu sardu-corsu, sigundu sa teoria linguistica de is substratus. Ma custu est de importu no po sa dialetologia. Est de importu poita oindi su 20% de is sardus no tenint che lingua de su connotu sa lingua sarda. E custus no bolint s'unificatzioni linguistica de su sardu. E custa est sociolinguistica. Chi sa sigunda citadi de sa Sardinnia, Tattari, sa capitali storica de Cabesusu, su logu inui bivit sa classi dirigenti de Cabesusu, no siat sardofona, est de importu mannu: est sociolinguistica diastratica e diatopica. Cumplicau meda. A is Tataresu de sa lingua sarda, de LSU, LSC e cumpangia bella, no ddis importat nudda. E Tattari est una citadi speciali: una citadi chi at donau a sa Republica dus Presidentis e mesu (Saragat), e su leader prus stimau de su prus mannu partidu de sa manu manca politica, est unu logu speciali. Ndi podeus chistionai, ma est unu fatu, no una teoria politica. E chi custus leaders no fiant sardofonus at a tenni unu pagu de importantzia sociolinguistica o no? No est politica, est unu fatu de sociolinguistica diatopica e diastratica, ca is nobilis tattaresus, chi no fiant citadinus dde sa citadi reali, ("i nobili di li biddi" narànt is tataresus in ciabi), chistionànt logudoresu, su logudoresu literariu. E inoi seus lompius a sa LSC. No teneus meda datus statitisticus, ma sa batalla no est a intru de is "native speakers". Est una batalla a intru de dus trumas piticheddas (inui nci seu deu puru) ca si scudint (a fueddus) po is duas propostas de politica linguistica. Deu seu de sa parti de is campidanesus, ddu nau craru craru. E seu s'unicu chi dexi annus a oi iat fatu una proposta de una lingua unitaria chi fiat de mesania diaderus. Ma is prepotentis no mi praxint. Ma scriendi unu articulu in wikipedia, deu nci provu a essi "aseticu" su prus chi potzu. E duncas po mei nci depit essi logu in custa pagina po sa LSC. Circhendi de serrai custu scritu ca tengu is manus cancaradas, deu pentzu ca s'articulu de sociolinguistica siat importanti e necessariu. Si podiat currigi, mancai narendi-mi is criticas tuas. Deu no tengu sa beridadi arrevelada, mancai siat unu sociologu, siat specializau in Studius Sardus (scioberu de cuddu grandu omini Giuanni Lilliu), e apu fatu dus master universitarius de lingua e cultura sarda. Ma no tengu sa beridadi arrivelada. Cun umilidadi ti nau ca s'inglesu po mei est sempri una batalla, mancai dd'apu studiau 8 annu a scola, donau tres esaminis a s'universidadi, fatu cursus de lingua a Londra, fatu dus annu de Sardegna speaks english, e dogna di mi castiu films in Sky in inglesu, cun is sutatitulus in inglesu, deghinou no nci cumprendu nudda. Candu chistionat sa Reina, èia ca da cumprendu. Ma candu bandu in su UK or USA mi parit de essi stetiu paracadutau a su planeta Marte. No apu fatu su curriculu miu po mi bantai, ma po ti nai ca podeus traballai imparis po fait cumprendi mellus chi podeus a is anglofonus ita est sa lingua sarda. Mancai, a bortas, is anglofonus funt unu pagu...strintus cun is fueddus. No bolint cosa complicadas (po issus e sa cultura insoru, pagu umanistica). Sempri po no mi bantai, emu a essi prexau chi as a ligi is pagina de "Cagliari", de sa "Metropolitan city of Cagliari" and "Flag of Sardinia". Mi ndi ant segau arrogus meda, ma sa "infrastrutura" est sa mia. Mellus ancora s'articulu "Cagliari" in frantzesu, no mi nci ant segau nudda :-). Speru chi podeus tenni una bella collaboratzioni. Ciao, Mauro. Dimenticavo: ho scritto interamente la pagina: "Sardinian literature": anche qui ho voluto esporre un concetto: nella piccola isola di Sardegna, uno scoglio sbattuto dal vento, ma, parafrasando Marcello Serra, "quasi un continente", vi è una situazione linguistica complessa, frutto di una lunghissima storia, e forse proto-storia e preistoria. Vi è una varietà linguistica che non è solo diatopica, ma anche diastratica e diafasica. E' un caso unico, almeno nel mediterraneo, almeno nel mondo neolatino. La descrizione di tutto ciò è la sociolinguistica della Sardegna, delle sue divisioni e diatribe che non sono di oggi, ma che risalgono, almeno a Salvador Vidal e alla sua Urania Sulcitana, nel XVII secolo. Quanto a Bolognesi, non sono in buoni rapporti con lui: è persona aggressiva, fanatica, ha maniere da bastasciu e non ha idea di cosa sia il metodo scientifico. Preferisco piuttosto Giuseppe Marci, "In presenza di tutte le lingue del mondo".[1] User:Robur.q

Hi Franking, here it is my dissertation for....the first or ..second master ; I do not remember: Alzheimer desease; as you can see ten years ago (more or less) I was for a unique standard language, but I reconsidered my opinion for two reasons: first of all, the two proposals of the two committees were only an attempt to impose the Logudorese all over the island, even in those communities in which it wasn't the natural language (south Sardinia and even Sassari and Gallura. Last but not least, even my proposal was too distant to the spoken dialects, in the north and in the south; It has been even so difficult to shallow the Arregulas of the Cagliari Province for the southern speakers, as the phonetic differences are quite significant and literary campidanese no more known for the majority of the people; a last thing: yesterday I added some references in original language: I'll need a bit 'of time to translate them into English;http://www.condaghes.it/public/docs/proposta_arborense.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robur.q (talkcontribs) 06:14, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Un'ultima cosa: a proposito di politica (linguistica) la nota 74 fa riferimento al blog Limba Sarda, organo ufficiale della LSC, e specificamente di Diego Corraine (ostinato quanto ammirevole difensore della wagneriana superiorità del nuorese) e di Giuseppe Corongiu, ex-direttore dell'Ufficio Linguistico della Regione, un tempo fautore con me della lingua de Mesania e poi appiattitosi (non ho ancora capito bene perchè) sulla LSC. Di Bolognesi ho detto (quasi) tutto: basta leggere i suoi articoli sul suo Blog https://bolognesu.wordpress.com/ per comprendere la posizione...pacata dell'autore. Quanto ad Amos Cardia (non c'è il link al suo articolo), è una persona onesta e corretta, con la quale si può discutere, per quanto sia un...secessionista campidanese e un nazionalista. Per quanto mi riguarda, io mi sento cittadino d'Europa (non va di moda oggidì), Casteddaio, sardo di lingua campidanese e anche italiano (non foss'altro perchè lo Stato Italiano mi paga lo stipendio). Contrariamente ai nazionalisti ed indipendentisti sardi, io gli Stati li vorrei eliminare (almeno in Europa), non rinchiudermi in un nuovo Staterello isolano ininfluente e povero e neanchè nello Stato Italiano, nato male e cresciuto peggio, ma che è comunque ancora uno delle più grandi potenze economiche del pianeta. Magari un'altra volta faremo un discorso sull'influenza del plurilinguismo storico dell'isola sulla standardizzazione del sardo: Berlinguer c'entra eccome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robur.q (talkcontribs) 06:42, 4 July 2016 (UTC)