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Contributions[edit]

Hi there! I see you've greated a couple of new articles; great work. I just wanted to ask you to include in those article the appropiate categories (check for articles in similar topics). Good wiking, --Mariano(t/c) 13:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, will try to remember to do this next time I start a new article.Dnfenner 13:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

You can sign your post by adding ~~~~. --Mariano(t/c) 14:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Gracias Dnfenner 14:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Signature[edit]

There seams to be something wrong with your signature; it doesn't provide a link to your user page. That makes it harder to answer to you, or know anything about you. I suggest you also include a link to your talk page. My signature does both things, and has also a link to my contributions. Cheers, --Mariano(t/c) 16:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Here's my signature again: Dnfenner 19:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC) This time you should be able to connect to my talk page. David

I guess you will have to keep working on it... Dont' despare!
Go to My Preferences, Signature, and select Raw Signature
(my sign code is [[User:Marianocecowski|Mariano]]<small>([[User talk:Marianocecowski|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Marianocecowski|c]])</small>)
--Mariano(t/c) 19:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Try this: David 19:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Kavanagh[edit]

Hi dave. The article looks great. The most popular version of the legend will do, though it would be perhaps good to have some references to it. --Mariano(t/c) 17:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Image[edit]

Hey, I saw you uploaded a great picture on the Club de Pescadores. I wanted to ask you two things regarding images: try to upload them at commons:, (you'll need to create another user), and also use more descriptive file names. Thanks for the greate article! --Mariano(t/c) 17:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your useful comments. Glad you like the image. It's one of my favourite places in BA.David(TalkContribs) 20:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Gate Theatre Studio[edit]

Dear David

I am simply astonished by your twice wrongfully changing the correct Gate Theatre London into the spurious 'Gate Theatre Studio', not least because as far as I can tell, the latter never existed - studio theatres only became a reality after the second world war.

If you look at Phyllis Hartnoll's Oxford Companion to the Theatre under Gate Theatre, London, you will find that the Gate Theatre, London was first in Floral Street before moving to Villiers Street WC2 in 1927.

Adding London (as I did) prevents any confusion with the Gate Theatre, Dublin - and the date alone will separate it from the latterday Gate Theatre in Notting Hill Gate. Note: The Gate Theatre London, later became the Players Theatre (underneath the arches).

Let's be quite clear, Wikipedia has come under media fire recently for its susceptiblity to 'errors'. As Wikipedians we must all be constantly on our guard against creating new 'errors'. I have therefore amended my Oscar Wilde/Robert Morley listing to show that it was performed at the Gate Theatre, London — Villiers Street WC2, which is 100 per cent accurate if a bit otiose.

Of course when the play moved to the Arts Theatre in October 1938 the title role was given to Francis L Sullivan,

So, to state the obvious, we really cannot afford to undermine encyclopedic accuracy in the interests of following up pet causes.

As it happens, back in the early 1950s I was a fan of your godfather Sewell Stokes' writing as a probation officer, especially his brilliant I Believe In You, published as a paperback in Pan Books and memorably made into a film starring Cecil Parker, Harry Fowler and Joan Collins. But I would not allow my enthusiasm to affect Wikipedia accuracy. Okay?

Best wishes, John Thaxter


Further to this. I have now had a look at your Sewell Stokes article, and am glad to be reminded that his Pan paperback was issued as Court Circular. But you need to note that to find the film link to Marie Antoinette you should use the form: Marie Antoinette (1938 film)..

Also Melvyn Bragg has a letter 'y' in his first name.

I suspect you were unaware that Norman Marshall's production of Oscar Wilde was completely recast and opened at the Arts Theatre on 25 October, 1938. You can find full cast details of both stagings in Who's Who in the Theatre, 9th edition, 1939. Let me know if you require details of specific re-castings.

I suspect it was the Arts re-staging that first interested the New York producers, especially as Francis L Sullivan had worked extensively in Hollywood and New York - see Halliwell Who's Who in the Movies and Ephraim Kurtz Film Encyclopaedia. John Thaxter 15:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


Dear David

I owe you an apology.

Instead of looking at the Oxford Companion, I should really have consulted my two Mander and Mitchenson books on London theatres — although both the Theatre Who's Who listing of London theatres by name and address, and Morley's own Who's Who entry pointed me in the same direction!

But in Lost Theatres of London (Rupert Hart-Davies 1968), Raymond and Joe describe in detail the two between-the-wars manifestations of the Gate Theatre, one, in Floral Street , known as the Salon (The Gate to Better Things), and then the move to Gattis at 16A Villiers Street (not underneath the arches) which was given the new title of The Gate Theatre Studio. Albeit that they also regularly use the simple title Gate Theatre throughout the text.

Page 57 of the book has a splendid but uncredited production photograph of Morley as Oscar Wilde in 1938, while on page 59 there is reference to a useful book by Norman Marshall himself, a between-the-wars theatrical history called THE OTHER THEATRE, which might prove useful. I looked at Abe Books [1] and found a dozen second hand booksellers offering the book for less than £5 - the cheapest is only just over £2!

Raymond and Joe also added a wistful para hoping that 'another Norman Marshall' would bring the Fringe theatre history up to date. You perhaps?

Regards, John Thaxter 14:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear John, I am pleased that we are now in agreement over the name of the theatre. Yes, it's a superb photo of Robert as Oscar Wilde. I have an original print of it and would like to put a scan of it on the Robert Morley page. Being new to this game I'm not sure whether I am allowed to do this as far as copyright issues are concerned. What do you think? Best wishes. David(TalkContribs) 16:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


Dear David

I think you could safely use the pic, since it was used by Mander and Mitchenson without credit, and I suspect was taken solely for publicity reasons.

I have cheekily amplified your Gate Theatre Studio article with material drawn from Mander and Mitchenson, the Oxford Companion and also from Theatre Record and Who's Who in the Theatre.

Should anything jar with you, do please feel free to edit what I have added!

I do believe that between us we are getting somewhere with this research.

Best wishes, John Thaxter 15:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


Dear David

Thanks, excellent. I have added dates to the 'controversial' productions listed, so that those interested in censorship can check them out,

Like you I have no idea how to set up a disambiguation page. But the brilliant User Talk:MarnetteD has been a great help, and given the infomation could probably do it for you, or suggest how.

I am sure there are other Gate theatres but I am not aware of them! Any others can always be added later.

Since first writing this note I have been trying to clarify the Lord Chamberlain entry and its many cross links, which seem to range from tight-lipped officialdom to coarse jollity, If you have nothing else to do you might find this another area for your research activities!

Best wishes, John Thaxter 18:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC), and

John Thaxter 23:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:El Ateneo[edit]

Please, just fix my mistakes whenever you see one. Perhaps the best format would be Santa Fe Avenue 1860? With common used names I usually say things like "The Cafeteria El Molino coffee house". Take care, --Mariano(t/c) 22:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Azul[edit]

I have absolutely no idea how come my changed version didn't include that paragraph, sorry. --Mariano(t/c) 15:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Alvear[edit]

My pleasure. --Mariano(t/c) 18:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Arts Theatre[edit]

Dear David

Neither of the Mander and Mitchenson volumes in my collection feature the Arts Theatre, so we can find no help there.

But studying the Who's Who in the Theatre volumes, covering both before and during/after the 1939-45 war, there is no question that OSCAR WILDE was staged at the main Great Newport Street venue.

This is borne out by the simple legend 'Arts' at the head of the playbill, a name elsewhere defined in a seating plan (showing Stalls, Circle and two Loges A and B) as:

  • Arts Theatre, Great Newport Street, WC2, Telephone TEMple Bar 7541, Approximate seating capacity: 334.

It also appears as one of the PRINCIPAL LONDON THEATRES, together with a tabulated format listing:

  • Width of proscenium opening 20ft 10in
  • Height of proscenum opening 14ft 6in
  • Depth from proscenium wing to back wall 19ft 6in
  • Distance between side walls 30ft 6in
  • Distance between fly rails or girders 24ft 0in
  • Height from stage to grid 49ft 0in
  • Depth from under fly platform to stage 21ft 0in
  • Depth under stage 8ft 0in
  • Height to take cloths up out of sight 21ft 0in
  • Approxiate seating capacity 334

I can find nothing about another 'theatre' called the Arts Theatre Club, but it is common knowledge that the Arts Theatre took on club theatre status to avoid problems with the Lord Chamberlain, which would require office support for the maintenance of mailing lists and the like, and which of course would also have opened for business in 1927.

So my guess would be that the Club's offices were once situated in the theatre building at Great Newport Street, but when more space was needed the staff were outhoused at an office in Frith Street, five minutes walk away.

See also [2]

I hope this is of some use. Best wishes, John Thaxter 09:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Further to this, I have spoken to Howard Loxton, secretary of the Society for Theatre Research, who tells me that a copy of the Society's 1986 book THE ARTS THEATRE, LONDON, 1927-81 ISBN 0854300414 by WENDY TREWIN and her husband J.C. TREWIN, is held for consultation at the Theatre Museum Library in its Blythe Road premises near Olympia. One must make a prior appointment to consult books. He cannot find his own copy (typical of Howard) so he cannot offer to let you see his. You can also find copies for sale on the Abe Books website at around £3.50. John Thaxter 10:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

David, This link to Abe Books (a very useful site) may help:

[3]

John Thaxter 11:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


Dear David

I have today received the attached email from Howard Loxton, whom I described (above) as secretary of the STR, but for which post he offers the names of two others.

I am not sure what, if anything, you would make of his additional contribution about the clubby nature of The Arts Theatre (as opposed to its club status that protected it from the Lord Chamberlain), but you will perhaps be amused by his insider recollections.

Best wishes, John Thaxter

PS Do have a look at Helen Mirren's In The Frame autobiography, just published and packed with information and superb photographs — but alas without an index.

HOWARD'S email:

From: Howard Loxton Subject: Wikipedia Date: 2 October 2007 13:46:46 BDT To: John Thaxter

Doing a Wikipedia search for something else I saw your exchanges re the Arts Theatre.

Apart from the fact that I am not Secretary of the Society for Theatre Research (that is jointly Eileen Cottis and Dr Valerie Lucas) just an ordinary committee member...

Re Arts. My recollection is that in the 1940s-1950s it always was a club, with a bar downstairs and a restaurant upstairs.

A lot of actors who were not members used it because it was where you found out what was going on. I think this was accepted by the management (though I seem to remember that at some point they intimated that you should at least buy a coffee). They were probably more concerned about selling alcohol to non-members in breach of the law - though I can't remember whether their licence allowed for liquor sales outside pub hours - I presume it did: that was what clubs were for.

In those days when actors often didn't have their own ‘phones, but a payphone in the hall, they would do a tour of some of the smaller agents, drop into the Arts, then go round for the end-of-day casting at the Film Producers' Guild (in what is now the Equity office).

Howard Loxton

John Thaxter 19:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Rodney Ackland[edit]

Dear David

While writing up Rodney Ackland for Wiki I discovered that his Who's Who in the Theatre CV clearly states:

  • He made his stage debut at the Gate Theatre studio in 1924, playing Medvedieff in The Lower Depths.

Was he wrong? Or does this disturb the Gate Theatre Studio's opening date of 1925? I need more time to think about it, but thought I should let you know right away.

Regards, John Thaxter 15:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


Further to this, I have now done a complete makeover of the Ackland article, which you may find of interest.

I now recognise that he was only in his 16th year when he made his stage debut at the Gate Theatre studio (note small 's' in his CV), presumably between leaving Balham Grammar and taking up stage training at Central.

So my guess is that this 'studio' was some tiny unofficial space for pro-am productions, which may then have inspired the name for the Gate Theatre Salon of 1925. Some credence is given to this because the Theatre Who's Who playbills for the period record no professional London production of The Lower Depths in London in the mid-1920s.

Incidentally, I chanced to look at our joint Gate Theatre Studio article and spotted several typos and mis-punctuations. I have put these right and have slightly rearranged the last three paras to provide a logical progression (now ending with the closure before embracing the future of fringe theatre).

I have also used the vertical solidus (i.e. |) to ensure that the reader is NOT taken to Queen Victoria herself from the title of Houseman's play, nor to the Gate Theatre (Dublin) when in search of the Gate Theatre (London).

I have also reduced the link to the Arts Theatre Club, which now reads Arts Theatre Club, thus correctly taking the reader to the Arts Theatre article which - at some time - I agree we should work on to expand!!

Best. John Thaxter 11:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

David: From your response I am unsure whether or not you looked at the second half of my note about the Gate Theatre Studio and Ackland's juvenile involvement! So earwiggo again, just in case. John Thaxter 12:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot[edit]

I hereby award this barnstar for your great work creating and improving articles about railways in Argentina. Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:07, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

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Image use[edit]

You may have noticed this already, but...

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Cut and paste moves[edit]

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Towns' location maps[edit]

See Wikipedia talk:Argentina-related regional notice board#Location for a discussion of that. It's old talk and it's not being implemented right now, but it works. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 13:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Argentine Railway Companies[edit]

David, Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately the policy in the Spanish Wikipedia is very stricts and large templates are not allowed. Anyway I will ask other people on the Argentina Wikiproject how to better categorize the now large category es:Categoría:Ferrocarril en Argentina. Best regards, Alpertron 14:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I continued translating the articles to Spanish. From your text, it appears that the Santa Fe Western (SFW) was not a British-owned Railway Company. When the Central Argentine Railway bought it in 1900, the former disappeared, so that was simply a British-owned Railway Company buying an Argentine-owned Railway Company. Am I right? If this is the case, the SFW cannot be included in the template. Best regards, Alpertron 03:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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Paris Pullman[edit]

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Resurrection of the Gate Theatre article??[edit]

Dear David

I was very sorry to see that your article on the Gate Theatre, London was deleted, since it appears to me to be an essential item for theatre researchers and students using wikipedia.

Just one observation makes the point: the careers of Stephen Daldry and Thea Sharrock as two of the Gate's artistic directors took off at this Notting Hill address and without the influence and opportunities offered by The Gate Theatre, several other centres of excellence including the Royal Court, Theatre Royal Bath and the National could now be the poorer both artistically and financially.

I asked Manette D if it was possible to resurrect deleted articles, so that, say, I (or you) could do some further work on it to give it a renewed life. It seems from the reply (on my Talk page) that there are a couple of avenues that could be pursued. I would certainly prefer that than to struggle with creating a new article from scratch, especially if someone were again likely to end its life suddenly. What do you think?

It has also occurred to me that you may still have a draft or back-up copy on your hard drive. If so and you emailed it to me I would be very happy to see what I could do with it to silence the criticism of 'lack of notability' and 'blatant copyright infringement' given as reasons for the deletion. Best wishes, John Thaxter 23:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Paris Pullman[edit]

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Resurrection of the Gate Theatre article??[edit]

Dear David I was very sorry to see that your article on the Gate Theatre, London was deleted, since it appears to me to be an essential item for theatre researchers and students using wikipedia.

Just one observation makes the point: the careers of Stephen Daldry and Thea Sharrock as two of the Gate's artistic directors took off at this Notting Hill address and without the influence and opportunities offered by The Gate Theatre, several other centres of excellence including the Royal Court, Theatre Royal Bath and the National could now be the poorer both artistically and financially.

I asked Marnette D if it was possible to resurrect deleted articles, so that, say, I (or you) could do some further work on it to give it a renewed life. It seems from the reply (on my Talk page) that there are a couple of avenues that could be pursued. I would certainly prefer that than to struggle with creating a new article from scratch, especially if someone were again likely to end its life suddenly. What do you think? It has also occurred to me that you may still have a draft or back-up copy on your hard drive. If so and you emailed it to me I would be very happy to see what I could do with it to silence the criticism of 'lack of notability' and 'blatant copyright infringement' given as reasons for the deletion. Best wishes, John Thaxter 23:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

More about the Arts[edit]

Dear David

I was surprised to see that the Arts Theatre was still a tiny stub!

I have added some useful bumf, most of it from the Oxford Companion, but also from Theatre Record. Maybe you might like to do a bit more. I got to the article because I was surprised there was no link from my article on James Saunders to the New Arts Theatre. I wonder why and how it took on the name New Arts for a while?

Best wishes, John Thaxter 09:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


Dear David

I have done a little more on the Arts Theatre, also with the links to the articles on the Unicorn Theatre, John Van Druten and James Saunders, each of which I have substantially upgraded.

Checking with the Appendix listing Principal London Theatres in Theatre Who's Who, the term 'New' Arts Theatre was a five year phase in the Sixties, first used on 12 April 1962 when Henry Livings' Nil Carborundum opened, then fell out of use on 9 January 1967 withThe Six O'Clock Holiday Show (starring Larry Adler). This was at about the time that Caryl Jenner, founder of Unicorn, was negotiating to take over the Arts Theatre lease. Can we clarify further?

Best John Thaxter 21:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


Q Theatre[edit]

Dear David

I have added two essential references to your Q Theatre stub.

You can probably get a copy of the late Kenneth Barrow's superb ON Q book from Jean de Leon on 020-8940 1773 (unless she has died since I last spoke to her a couple of years ago). She lives in a mansion on Kew Green. Failing that Hounslow Leiisure Services will have spare copies.

But I will help when I have time - currently doing a massive update on the Evening Standard Awards which threatens to wreck my home life!

Regards, John Thaxter 15:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

PS I am not sure if the Lord Chamberlain ever came into it at Q, Jack was a commercial guy and not given overly to experiment and controversy! John Thaxter 15:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


Dear David

I have greatly enlarged the Q article, mainly with my piece for the R&TT (at the time I was the paper's chief theatre critic, when it was the West London equivalent of the Ham and High - but now fallen into disarray).

I may later add a para or two from Dirk Bogarde's Postillion memoirs, which make good copy.

Incidentally at a very tender age I was doing delivery jobs for a leading West End florist, and often made my way to the Q Theatre on opening nights with a bunch of flowers for the star of the show - but for some reason never got a tip! John Thaxter 10:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Argentine Railways[edit]

Hi, I've seen your excellent work on Railways in Argentina, I was wondering if you had thought of making an article on the History of railways in Argentina, or just a Railways in Argentina overview page as either would be a useful thing to link to when not discussing a particular railway company. Let me know if something like this already exists and I've overlooked it, or if you ever create it. I would attempt it myself but I'm sure you could do a much better job of it. Keep up the good work. King of the NorthEast 00:04, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Ferrocarril Central Norte[edit]

Hi Dnfenner, Thanks for creating Ferrocarril Central Norte. You have done quite a nice job on it. Please try to split the article into sections, so it is easier to find information the reader may be looking for. Thanks! --Ohmpandya (talk) 22:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

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I hereby award Dnfenner a barnstar for his tireless work in documenting the Railways of Argentina. -- Alexf42 00:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Nora Swinburne[edit]

Dear David: You may be interested in my detailed work on the career or Nora Swinburne, who graced the West End stage in her middle years. Best wishes John Thaxter (talk) 00:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Award[edit]

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Awarded to Dnfenner for his outstanding work on Argentine railways (we await the overview page with anticipation). King of the NorthEast 23:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Urquiza Line[edit]

Hey Dnfenner, thanks for copy editing Urquiza Line, ...and I thought i was good in English, nevertheless i knew it needed polishing by an expert, and by the way, how'd you liked the article!?, tried to blend in the "Rapid Transit" characteristics of the Urquiza line with the Metro somehow.

I regards to Buenos Aires and Argentines rail articles, what you think of developing more connectivity within all rail services, in central Europe they have the U-Bahn and the S-Bahn, (rapid transit and commuter) and both have a distinct logos (icons) and used in all connections.

How about developing at least one logo for Electric Commuter and another for Diesel Commuters, how do we go about this, who do we get in touch for approval, it wouldn't be official but officially they have none, most maps are Self made and downloaded, could we do the same for these "icons"?

lol, Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 16:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


Hey David, in reference to the separate articles for different lines, i couldn't agree even more, (evolution maybe) been wanting to do that for a while.
I've started already by organizing the lines as you can see here Linea Mitre (Buenos Aires), Linea Sarmiento (Buenos Aires), hope you agree.
Now, Linea Sarmiento for example has the following train services:
Urban
•Once/Miserere – Moreno
•Once/Miserere – Castelar
•Puerto Madero – Castelar
Suburban
•Moreno – Mercedes
•Moreno – Lujan
•Merlo – Lobos
•Merlo – Las Heras
I presume the idea is to include each one of this lines with it's history and characteristics.
We can work together if you like, for my part, I'm available to do the maps, get "legal" images and do visual enhancements, all maps should be consistent, would like to differentiate somehow maybe between Diesel end Electric and definitely between Urban, Suburban and Intercity, certain "flexible rules" apply internationally in regards to map design. They could also be linear or in scale.
The Tren de la Costa Map is an exception since its a very particular and lovely line!
I would like to personally start a couple articles if you don't mind, I may be interested in the San Martín Line and the Puerto Madero – Castelar amongst others! and maybe there's other wikipedian knowledgeable about certain lines that could help out!
I've noticed you've changed Urquiza Line for Linea Urquiza, (no problem) had it that way because "Line" (Line A • Line B...) is used in the Buenos Aires Metro and this line may become part of the Metro some day, anyway, we definatelly should live the metro like it is.
The name Urquiza came about when it was nationalized in late 40's by Perón!
Regards ~ Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 23:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


David, In reference to your questions, it'll be a pleasure to work on the maps but give me a few weeks to get them right. The copyright question is indeed very confusing and i truly dislike it!. The Línea accents should be added, i personally didn't notice!!. The Retiro - Rosario- Santa Fe is part of Linea Mitre', but i may be wrong, I'll have to research further. Let me warn you that I may sporadically disappear for a month or so, may have other priorities, anyway, lets do the best ~ Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 02:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
...maps coming up shortly ~ Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 02:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


Question! if linear maps for electric suburban rail are of this concept:
Mapa-Urquiza.jpg
how do you think we should differentiate Diesel services!!
Also; I believe we should not keep station spacing consistency since some streches in the suburbs are lenghty, what do you think?
keeping in mind that Regular scaled maps are in the works.
Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 14:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


Ref, Maps, i scan, down load, and study them. In La Trochita i must have gone trough 6 different maps, also went to book store to check out Atlases to see in anything was missing. I'll be glad to produce the ones you've mentioned but it takes time, what I'd love to produce is a map off all the tramway lines of BA, witch for years I've been looking for to no avail. Maps are done in Illustrator and some photoshop.
The uniqueness of the actual Urquiza line map is that even though it's sort of linear and not to scale, it keeps some perspective of some longer stretches between stations, will do a little more research on this!
The other question: Any idea on how do you think we should differentiate the map lines between Diesel and Electric services??
Any way of adding and accent to L í nea on Urquiza article, have no idea on how to do this. Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 18:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Ronald Harwood[edit]

Dear David

My next biggie has been a complete makeover of the Ronald Harwood page, which could even surprise the man himself! Hope you will soon chug your train back into the UK and its theatrical history. Best wishes, John Thaxter (talk) 13:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. And as you have provided a note about Peter Hall's revival of The Dresser, I have linked it (via a ref) to my Stage review of the production. Best John Thaxter (talk) 22:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Railway station[edit]

Hi, I moved them to railway station because the ones in Rosario were titled "xxxx Station", which is wrong in my opinion, because there is no need to capitalise Station. I changed the others from "Estacion xxxx" to "xxxx railway station" for reasons of clarity, because at first glance the meaning of the title is not apparent to non-Spanish speakers. If you look at Category:Railway stations in Belgium most of them seem to be in English, as do the ones in Germany, Isreal and elsewhere (despite the capital letter abuse). I'm not really bothered if you really want to change them back to "Estacion xxxx" format, but I do think it is better to be consistent, and if you do revert them, perhaps you could rename the Rosario ones in that format too? English peasant 00:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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Fusion Controversy[edit]

Hey Dnfenner, here is a little bit of controversy, can a Wikipedian fuse and eliminate an article because he says so: es:Discusión:Ferrocarril General Urquiza (in the Spanish speaking Wikipedia)!!

In other matters, been researching maps throughout and will be having them ready within the next few days, Kind Regards ~ Moebiusuibeom-en (talk)

MAP[edit]

Voilà, here it is:

No way all stations will go on one map, so i've placed most important, though i forgot Victoria, this map may need some polishing, please check it out .

This Map is a 400% version of SUB-URBAN AREAS

300% version will be of GREATER BA AREA

200% version may include ALL RAIL INCLUDING SUBWAYS AND LIGHT RAIL of BA and surrounding area

100 % version would be the CAPITAL.

MAP is also prepared for INDIVIDUAL RAIL LINES

Let me know your thoughts, now we have to do a world class Rail article

Greater Buenos Aires 5.jpg

Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 05:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC) '

Hey David, how you doing, sorry for not getting back sooner, was overseas, lots of work and now unfortunately i have problems signing in as "Moebiusuibeom-en" for some reason, either I'm being blocked or its my old browser, haven't got much to choose from for an old dependable Mac OS 9.2!
Anyway, been working on maps, they are almost ready, they look awesome, every little detail has been included, will definitely download them next week, an "experimental version" of the Belgrano Sur route map is already in the Línea Belgrano Sur, final versions may be less fancy, let me know you thoughts, cheers Moebiusuibeom-en alias 64.237.165.247 (talk) 19:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


David, again, sorry for not getting back sooner but didn't want to communicate as map needed some final polishing. Metropolitan area map is ready but still needs pixel adjustment and some minor glitches, you can see map in my contributions! it includes almost all stations, several aditional maps are planned (eventually)!
I also reactivated a much needed "Rail transport in Argentina" though its really a Stub, there is plenty of info, and we need all Wikipedia rail fans knowledgeable of this system to fill it up, presently it may lack of grammatical consistency and/or facts! We need to make this a great article!
Cheers, Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 15:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Rail transport in Argentina[edit]

Hey David, Rail transport in Argentina "main platform" i think is almost ready, we may need feeling in data and you're good @ this, particularly in it's history (Development) section or anything else, what you think.?

In regards to the commuter maps for each line, i think they they should be linear and unscaled. Let me know of any others we may need!

By the way, I'll probably be lowering resolution on metropolitan rail map since it seems not to be opening correctly!

Greetings, Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 15:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Almeida Theatre[edit]

Dear David, I was pleased to see you've been doing some theatre work again — on the Almeida Theatre page. I was there, just visiting, and noticed that the introductory paragraph was massive and difficult to follow. So what I've done is to re-organise it into several self contained paragraphs which now offer an easier to read chronological narrative. I hope in the process I did not lose anything of value. But I think more could be said about the McDiarmid and Kent years, witness the three pages about their work at the Almeida by Michael Billington in his State of the Nation book (have you read it? Marvellous stuff). Best wishes as ever John Thaxter (talk) 23:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Argentina[edit]

Good job on the Intro copy edit. We can use all the help we can get to get the Portal to a Featured status. And I'm sure you can use a diversion from railways talk, can't you? :-) -- Alexf42 23:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Almeida Theatre in the 1980s[edit]

Dear David

I have spent several amusing hours sorting out the programme of theatre events at the Almeida in the 1980s under Audi. I hope it is not to much of a shock, but here it is. The numbers in brackets are the page numbers for the Theatre Record playbills should you need more information about particular shows.

As you can see, under Audi the Almeida Theatre was a receiving theatre, not a producing theatre (except for a couple of shows when a short-lived Almeida Company came into somewhat unconvincing existence). I have made a small textual change to the Almeida article to reflect this.

Forgive any odd errors as I was transcribing from my bound volume of Theatre Record indexes.

If this listing is too much of a good thing, let me have your email address (which I will then immediately erase) and I'll send the listing direct to you (so you can then clear this Talk page)! Best wishes John Thaxter (talk) 23:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


Almeida Theatre under Pierre Audi’s direction


1981

  • The Seagull (Shared Experience) 13 Oct-7 Nov 1981 (540)

1982

  • A Dybbuk for Two People 6-7 June 1982 (297)
  • L’Os (The Bone) by Birago Dilip (Bouffes du Nord) 20-31 October 1982 (582)
  • Venice Preserv’d by Thomas Otway 3-21 November 1982 (610)
  • The Insomniac in Morgue Drawer 9 by Andy Smith (Shared Experience) 24 November -5 December 1982 (659)
  • One Man, Steven Berkoff 2-5 December 1982 (??)

1983

  • Fen by Caryl Churchill (Joint Stock) 16 February-12 March 1983 (111)
  • Ariadne’s Afternoon, devised by Natalie Morgan 19-30 April 1983 (293)
  • Courts Circuits/Le Blouses (Le Compagnie Jerome Deschamp) 9-19 May 1983 (357)
  • Yum Yum (Bloolips) 31 May-4 June 1983 (425)
  • The Crimes of Vautrin by Nicolas Wright from Balzac (Joint Stock) 23 June-16 July 1983 (492)
  • Put It On Your Head (Theatre Complicite) 26 September-1 October 1983 (841)
  • Odds’n’Sods (Bloolips) 11-22 October 1983 (877)

1984

  • War Music by Christopher Logue 5-14 April 1984 (261)
  • Hedda Gabler in the Christopher Hampton version 24 April-19 May 1984 (536)
  • Mrs Gauguin by Helen Cooper 1-16 June 1984 (469)
  • The Fridge written and performed by Copi 10-14 July 1984 (604)

1985

  • Man Equals Man by Bertolt Brecht (Almeida Company) 20 Feb-9 March (157)
  • The Possessed, Yuri Lyubimov’s Dostoevsky adaptation 21 March-2 April (252)
  • A Bolt out of the Blue, devised by Mary Longford 30 April-4 May 1985 (391)
  • Medea by Euripides, translated by Rex Warmer (Almeida Company) 7-15 May 1985 (426)
  • The Bald Prima Donna by Eugene Ionesco and Bedtime Story by Sean O’Casey, 16-18 May 1985 (456)
  • Woyzeck (Buchner revival) 20-25 May 1985 (456)
  • Le Tango Stupefiant (Helen Delavault performance) 28 May-7 June 1985 (507)
  • The Cenci by Percy Bysshe Shelley (Bristol New Vic) 15-27 July 1985 (667)
  • Lark Rise by Keith Dewhurst’s Flora Thompson adaptation revived, 19 September -12 October 1985 (934)
  • The Deliberate Death of a Polish Priest by Ronald Harwood, 17 October-9 November 1985 (1041)
  • King Lear (Kick Theatre) 20-30 November 1985 (1169)
  • Cupboard Man, Julia Bardsley adaptation of an Ian McEwan short story, 9-21 December 1985 (1223)
  • White Rose by Peter Arnott (Traverse Edinburgh) [Almeida ‘lates’] 9-21 December 1985 (1225)

1986

  • The Story of the Eye and the Tooth (El-Hakawati Theatre Co) 2-18 January 1986 (5)
  • Three Storeys and a Dark Cellar (IOU Theatre) 6-11 February 1986 (118)
  • The Saxon Shore by David Rudkin, 27 February- 22 March 1986 (205)
  • Milva Sings Brecht, Italian Chanteuse, 25-29 March 1986 (287)
  • People Show No 91 A Romance (revival) 2-19 April 1986 (326)
  • The Merchant of Venice (Leicester Haymarket) 22-29 April 1986 (416)
  • Baal, Christopher Logue translation of Brecht, 30 April-6 May 1986 (462)
  • The Phoney Physician, Jack Laskowski version of Moliere, 7-10 May 1986 (503)
  • Creditors by August Strindberg, 19 May-7 June 1986 (527)
  • Dybbuk, revival, 16 July-2 August 1986 (772)
  • Not the RSC 2: Two weeks of work by RSC members, 5-17 August 1986
  • Coriolanus (Kick Theatre) 18 September- 11October 1986 (1006)
  • Supper Goodnight with:Carthage (Akademia Ruchu, Lublin) 14-18 October 1986 (1133)
  • Gaudete, Julia Bardsley and Phelim McDermott adapt Ted Hughes, 28 October-15 November 1986 (1191)
  • The Great Hunger b Tom MacIntyre from P Kavanaghm 25 November-13 December 1986 (1313)
  • The King and the Corpse (Indian Folk Tales, Not the RSC) 16 December 1986-3 January 1987 (1393)

1987

  • Losing Venice by John Clifford (Traverse Company) 6-17 January 1987 (6)
  • Panata Sa Kalayaan (Philippine Education Theatre Association) 27-31 January 1987 (90)
  • Kathie and the Hippopotamus by Mario Vargas Llosa 26 February-21 March 1987 (233)
  • The Tourist Guide by Botho Strauss, 8 April-2 May 1987 (429)
  • Mystere Bouffe (Le Theatre du Radeau, France) 5-16 May, 1987 (538)
  • Tattoo Theatre by Mladen Materic (Tetovirano Company) 29 September-17 October 1987 (1259)
  • Hamletmachine by Heiner Muller, adapted by Robert Wilson, 4-14 November 1987 (1415)
  • Nana by Olwen Wymark, based on Zola (Shared Experience) 18 November-5 December 1987 (1480)
  • The Traveller by Jean-Claude van Itallie (Leicester Haymarket) 9 December 1987-9 January 1988 (1586)

1988

  • The Prophet devised by Renu Setna (Carib Theatre Productions) 13-23 January 1988 (240)
  • Venus and Lucrece by Bardy Thomas from Shakespeare, 27 January-20 February 1988 (92)
  • The Possibilities, short plays by Howard Barker, 25 February-19 March 1988 (230)
  • The Story of Ku Ur Shamma by J Lubeck and Abu Salem, 29 March-16 April 1988 (405)
  • Moon on a Rainbow Shawl by Errol John, 5 May-4 June 1988 (581)
  • Hello and Goodbye by Athol Fugard (RSC) 5 August-27 September 1988 (1044)
  • Keeping Tom Nice by Lucy Gannon (RSC) 11 August-29 September 1988 ( 1077)
  • Oedipus by Seneca (RSC) 18 August-1 October 1988 (1104)
  • The World of My Dreams play selection in Yiddish, 8-13 October 1988 (1413)
  • Theatre Complicite retrospective season, 17 October 1988-21 January 1989
A Minute Too Late (1453)
Ave Maria, Linda Kerr Scott
Miss Dunnithorne’s Maggot by Peter Maxwell Davies (1598)
Food of Love (1598)
What Is All This Dancing? (1598)
The Visit by Frederich Durrenmatt (1595)
More Bigger Snacks Now (1750)
My Army by Tim Barlow (1750)
Please Please Please (1750)
Phantom Violin by Gerard McBurney (1750)
Anything for a Quiet Life (see 1989 first entry)

1989

  • Anything for a Quiet Life (Theatre Complicite) 11-21 January 1989 (34)
  • The Vinegar Works by Edward Gorey (dereck dereck) 24-28 January 1989 (88)
  • Polygraph by Robert Lepage and Marie Brassard 23 February-4 March 1989 (230)
  • Indigo by Heidi Thomas 9 March-1 April 1989 (300)
  • Mozart and Salieri by Alexander Pushkin 7 April-5 May 1989 (421)
  • Moliere’s Don Juan (Georgian Studio USSR) 16-27 May 1989 (625)
  • Cinzano by Ludmilla Petrushevstaya 10-15 July 1989 (960)
  • Pacha Mama’s Blessing by Douglas Hodge and Peter Searles (NYT) 29 August-30 September 1989 (1147)
  • King Lear (Royal Shakespeare Company) 14 September-28 October 1989 (1248)
  • Kissing the Pope by Nick Darke (RSC) 21 September-26 October 1989 (1276)
  • HID - Hess Is Dead by Howard Brenton (RSC) 28 September-24 October 1989 (1327)
  • Lady Betty by Declan Donnellan (Cheek By Jowl) 30 November-23 December 1989 (1637)

Almeida summary[edit]

Dear David, After all the above Almeida wodge (which I suppose is just about worth keeping here in case it is needed sometime), you may think the summary I have added to the page is somewhat brief. But looking through the list - as well as looking at the often hostile reviews in Theatre Record - I decided that apart from Harwood's political trial transcript, nothing was worth enshrining as a major theatre event of the 1980s! Best John Thaxter (talk) 09:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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Barnstar[edit]

Dnfenner:

In my modest capacity as a new article autoreviewer and unofficial member of WikiProject Argentina, I'd like to bestow a Barnstar of National Merit upon you for your recent addition, Hotel de Inmigrantes.

This engaging and informative article was one of over a hundred similarly well-crafted entries, a few of which include Galerías Pacífico, Club Hotel de la Ventana, Francisco Salamone, Lino Enea Spilimbergo, Café La Biela, and practically the entire series on Rail transport in Argentina.

On behalf of Wikipedia's Argentine and Argentine-American readers and editors, thank you.

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You're quite welcome, David. Happy Christmas.
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Café La Biela[edit]

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Hi from Argentina[edit]

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