User talk:Doniago

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Well, maybe let's try a different approach to User:USN1977[edit]

You have like six warnings on his talk page, getting fiercer and fiercer. Maybe this is not the best approach for this editor? There's more than one way to skin a cat, and you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar (I nothing if not full of platitudes). I gave the guy a welcome message and am trying to engage him on a peer-to-peer basis, would appreciate your support. Pinging User:Binksternet who has also templated this user.

The user came on board in 2006 (!) and is still active, as he just made an edit to an article I was watching -- an edit which was not terrible or completely unreasonable, but which was trivia, unreferenced, and didn't really belong in that article anyway. But he wants to contribute. He is not a vandal. He has 4,500 edits. But he appears not to be growing as an editor.

It's an interesting case. Of all the contributions to his talk page, two are by him; one is a test and other is a single word. He has one or two posts on user talk pages. However, he has posted to article talk pages a bit.

We need to get this person to engage. It'd be an interesting exercise to see if we can get him to do that, and also maybe figure out if we can find places to point him to. I don't know as I've seen a case quite like this.

You want to be an admin, right? Well here is a chance for Doniago, Captain of Wikipedia, to show his quality. Herostratus (talk) 04:41, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

As I mentioned at USN's Talk page, I don't believe I've interacted with the user for over five months, so I'm not really sure why I'm suddenly getting brought into this? If that sounds defensive, I don't mean it to be, I'm just a bit confused, since I think it could reasonably be said that we've had no recent interaction. But I'm happy to offer my perspective and do what I can to prevent things from escalating further.
When an editor doesn't acknowledge messages at their Talk page, I tend to assume for better or worse that it's because they don't want to discuss the matter. If they then continue with the same behavior, to my mind, an escalated warning is then typically appropriate.
FWIW, I (probably) wouldn't give an escalated warning for a different type of offense. For instance, if I'm warning someone about bloating plot summaries, and then they start adding unsourced material, that's two separate issues. The amount of time between offenses may also be an issue. Obviously, I'm left exercising my own judgment as to what's appropriate most of the time.
I'm happy to lend support, but as I said, it's been awhile since we had any interaction (that I'm aware of), and in the end, if USN continues to engage in disruptive editing while also refusing to engage in discussion...there's not much we can do short of escalation. One reason for blocks is precisely to make it clear to regularly disruptive users (I'm not making that argument for USN) that the disruption needs to stop and they need to engage with their fellow editors, not simply blow off their own Talk pages.
Anyway, if there's something in particular you'd like me to do, I'm open to hearing it. Have they been invited to the WP:TEAHOUSE? Cheers! DonIago (talk) 04:54, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
OK. I don't really have an action item or anything. Just a heads up on an unusual case, and let's see what develops -- probably nothing, if the user won't start to engage. Herostratus (talk) 03:17, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, my concerns about their past editing notwithstanding, I do hope they'll engage. It would be the best option for all parties, I think. DonIago (talk) 05:23, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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TiMER[edit]

Hi, I am responding to this comment you left on my talk page:

Hello. I wanted to let you know that your recent edit(s) to the Timer (film) plot summary have been removed because they added a significant amount of unnecessary detail. Please avoid excessive detail and high word counts when editing plot summaries/synopses. You may read the plot summary edit guides to learn more about contributing constructively to plot summaries/synopses. There are also specific guidelines for films, musicals, television episodes, anime/manga, novels and non-fiction books. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! DonIago (talk) 02:49, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

First, I would like to suggest that if you remove edits that other people make from pages and direct them here for discussion, you should make it clear where on this page the person should respond. I know I should probably spend longer reading this talk page and figure out the right way to make this fit in, maybe by making a heading, but please excuse me for not spending the additional time ...  :-|

I have seen articles about how wikipedia is edited by only a subset of the population. I can tell that you are working hard to keep wikipedia clean and useful so are dedicated to it being better. Being open to conversation by at least making it clear where to converse could increase wikipedia's general friendliness and help ameliorate the selection bias problem.

As for my specific edits to the TiMER page: well, I am not gonna argue about a rom com page, that's ok. But I am confused, because the page has a header on it which I'll copy here:

"This article consists almost entirely of a plot summary. It should be expanded to provide more balanced coverage that includes real-world context. Please edit the article to focus on discussing the work rather than merely reiterating the plot. (July 2010) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"

However the article is entirely re-iterated plot, and what I added was (intended to) be more balanced and add real-world context.

Frankly I think most of the wikipedia plot summaries are sad, in that they take all the art out of a film. By adding the charming younger-character subplot and commenting on how it fit with the larger story I was trying to follow the instructions quoted above.

Again, I'll say thank you for all the work you do to make wikipedia useful. I do not edit wikipedia very much and was trying to make a small contribution to make it better.

[edit] I did go back and tried harder to edit the page, keeping words to a minimum and keeping out extra details, while focusing on the important pieces of plot. I did not put the young people's subplot back in (i figure it's in the history, so you could do that if you wanted to.)

Thanks for moving this section to the bottom, that makes sense.

Krobin (talk) 04:13, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Krobin, it's general practice that new threads be placed at the bottom of Talk pages unless explicitly indicated otherwise (rare cases). No worries; moving it was effortless.
As you noted, the edits you made were strictly to the Plot section. The header, though, is referring to the article needing real-world context. How well the film was reviewed, behind-the-scenes info, when/how it was released on home media, etc. You might look at MOS:FILM or other film articles for other ideas as to how the article can be expanded (assuming reliable sources have discussed any of it; I'm not sure how much coverage this relatively small production attracted). Expanding the plot in particular is problematic, as we have a guideline that film summries should not exceed 700 words without good reason, and I don't think this particular film merits an exception; if you feel otherwise, I'd invite you to start a discussion at the talk page for the film itself.
Hope this helps, and thanks for reaching out to me! Happy to talk further if you'd like! DonIago (talk) 04:25, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

oh hahaha - thanks for the clarification! Yeah, I thought that the section I quoted was in Plot (oops) and that "real-world context" was things like why different pieces were included.

It sounds like the dry style of plot summary that I don't like is just the wikipedia style, and if so I'm not going to argue that the whole wikipedia needs to change.

thanks for your comments.

Krobin (talk) 04:32, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I'm afraid if you're looking for colorful plot summaries you'll want to look elsewhere. I used to go to http://www.themoviespoiler.com/, but it's been awhile. Around here the goal is pretty much to just give readers a blow-by-blow of the most critical parts of the summary. For better or worse, a lot of my time is spent trying to bring summaries down to reasonable word counts.
Hope you're stick around, but understand if this isn't quite your cup of tea! DonIago (talk) 04:34, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

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The reason I made that edit in Ghost Ship (2002 film) because it never mentioned Karl Urban's character's death in the plot summary, like the other characters's deaths were mentioned. I thought you should know that. BattleshipMan (talk) 03:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough, but plot summaries are normally described in the present tense, and the sentence as you wrote it appears to be a random addition. What are the circumstances that lead to his death, for instance? DonIago (talk) 15:14, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
I only vaugely remember the movie. I think Urban was trying to pump out the water in the flooded room of the haunted cruised ship where he got dragged by unseen forces into the ship's gear which lead him to his death. BattleshipMan (talk) 16:21, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
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I'll give it a shot. BattleshipMan (talk) 14:43, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

American Jewish Anti-Bolshevism[edit]

Thank you for restoring the content. I'm sorry that I removed it. I've been desperately trying to edit the page to save it since it has been proposed for deletion. I've been trying to edit anything out that might seem like personal opinion or that makes that article appear to be original research and synthesis. Do you have any advice?

Sorry for any inconvenience! Elimnist56 (talk) 14:16, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

At the risk of being snarky, my first advice would be that new Talk page threads should generally be placed at the bottom of the page, not the top. :p DonIago (talk) 16:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for getting in touch! I assume you're referring to American Jewish Anti-Bolshevism during the Russian Revolution? If so, I'd definitely be concerned that so much of the article is referenced to so few sources. Additionally the editor who proposed the article for deletion voiced concerns that the article violates copyright, which is a really big deal and, if true, should be resolved ASAP. Hope this helps as a starting point. DonIago (talk) 16:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

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Edits for Predestination[edit]

Regarding your reversal of the edit for Predestination on List of films featuring time loops. Not sure why the RT reference is insufficient. A number of other entries in this table also reference RT. Do you have another suggestion for a reference or can you explain why the reference is insufficient and what it would need to include to be considered sufficient? The film definitely belongs in the list; it is one of the all-time classic closed-loop time travel stories. (See All You Zombies, which is the story on which the film is based, and the film follows the story quite closely.)

MichiHenning (talk) 00:46, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Following up on this, would this be considered a better reference? http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/predestination-2015
MichiHenning (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
RT is simply a review aggregator, and as such is not sufficient for demonstrating that movies really feature time loops. Most of the other sources I'm aware of being used in the list would serve as better examples. If other movies are being sourced to RT (and I'll take a look after leaving this comment), that should be addressed.
I'd say Roger Ebert is about as reliable as you can get for a source on film discussion. :)
Cheers! DonIago (talk) 00:52, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
It looks like RT wasn't generally used as a single source for inclusion, which was a good thing. I did find a single instance of that...removed RT and asked for a citation rather than outright removing. May be worth discussing at the list's Talk page? DonIago (talk) 00:56, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
I've put back the entry with the page on rogerebert.com as the reference. Please let me know if there are any other issues.
I spotted one RT reference while I was skimming the table, so I assumed that this was OK.
Me bad :-( MichiHenning (talk) 11:58, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
No worries! It's an unfortunately common misunderstanding that in all cases a source simply demonstrating the existence of a disputed item is sufficient, when in many cases, such as for In Popular Culture items (see WP:IPCV) what's needed isn't a source that demonstrates existence, but one that demonstrates significance.
I'm now second-guessing my assertion that a Roger Ebert review will prove to be sufficient...but as I believe you're operating in good faith, and were following my original advice, I won't act further on this item. Happy editing! DonIago (talk) 13:19, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

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References revisions[edit]

I do not understand why you undid my edit here. I see nothing that says the references section should be 30em width even with under 10 references. Its such a tiny amount of references even doing 2 columns probably isn't needed. - GalatzTalk 16:10, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Template:Reflist#Columns discusses this in some detail and recommends 30em be used for multiple columns. If you believe a single column would be sufficient then you could remove the value altogether. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 16:50, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, that makes more sense than the MOS:FILM mentioned in your revert. - GalatzTalk 17:14, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, there was a discussion on the Talk page for MOS:FILM that mentioned the link I provided up above, but I acknowledge that it was a little unclear. DonIago (talk) 17:25, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Strange[edit]

It would not let me respond to you in the help desk so I'm going to do it here. I meant a new page because I can not find the info that I already know on here so I wanted to create a new page to help others but I don't know how. Dinah Kirkland (talk) 20:36, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure there's any options for actually uploading an entire webpage here. As I noted at the Helpdesk, I'd have concerns that that would constitute a copyright violation. Might be worth waiting to see whether anyone else pipes up there though. If you meant creating a new Wikipedia article from scratch, as opposed to uploading, there's Wikipedia:Your first article. Cheers! DonIago (talk) 20:42, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks so much! That's really helpful! Dinah Kirkland (talk) 20:44, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Glad I could help! Happy editing! DonIago (talk) 02:08, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Grazie again! The only thing I could edit so far is the Italian profanity page because the things I do know they don't have a page for it... Dinah Kirkland (talk) 13:59, 25 May 2017 (UTC)