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Reversion of edits to Charles Buckner [edit]

I think you misunderstand wikipedia policy. does not require sources for everything. The additions I made are easily verifiable and if you believe they are controversial, I would like to hear your reasons why.

"Wikipedia requires material to be verifiable. This means adding some form of inline citations for anything challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all direct quotations."

Reverting verifiable good faith edits is bad form and rather impolite on top of that. The very most you would be justified in doing is adding a citation needed tag. Tarchon (talk) 21:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi - I am slightly confused. I went to the trouble of writing this article and it is carefully sourced as required by WP:SOURCE. WP:SOURCE seems pretty clear to me: there is no suggestion there that sources are not required. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 22:00, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
OK, point to me the thing in wikipedia polcy that says "sources are required for everything". You linked to a thing which describes how sourcing is done. That's not the same thing. As I said, you have misunderstood the policy. Tarchon (talk) 22:22, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi - The wording is "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution". Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 22:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Tedworth House[edit]

Hello. Thank you for creating Tedworth House. Do you know if it is a listed building? Also, should the history of the Tedworth Hunt be added to this article, or created as a separate article in your opinion? (But hopefully less sensationalistic than this.) Please reply on my talkpage.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:47, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Also, do you know who Edward Studd was? Do you have his dates of birth and death please? I am not sure what is meant by 'planter'--I have only ever come across that word for plantation owners in the American South. It sounds intriguing. I'm guessing he was not the cricket player who has a Wikipedia page with the same name.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:47, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I have now expanded the article to say that it is a Grade II* listed building. Tedworth Hunt should be the subject of a separate article because it is unconnected with the building which is now a help for heroes centre. Unfortunately I do not have any further information on Edward Studd but he cannot be the cricketer as the cricketer died much more recently. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 00:05, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

77th Brigade formerly Security Assistance Group[edit]

I would like to gain your support over the 77th Brigade article, which was created not by me but is actually a renaming and reformation of the SAG article I formed up last year. A user named Gareth keeps adding it is Psychological warfare which it is clearly not as I stated in the SAG article and new links.Phd8511 (talk) 08:33, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi - Surely one of its units is 15 Psychological Operations Group (15 POG)? So won't it be involved in psychological warfare? Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
NO it is not. I edit but those people keep reverting. If they want un-educated articles they are such losers.Phd8511 (talk) 06:11, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Does 77th Brigade have no command and control responsibility over 15 Psychological Operations Group then? Isn't that a bit irresponsible. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 23:07, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Changes to Promethean World[edit]

Since you do not like the changes that I made to Promethean World information and have chosen to delete that information which is current and true. I ask you to at least look into the [File:Proetheanlogo.png logo] which you uploaded to the Promethean World page in 2010 and at the very least update it to something that Promethean has used in recent history. This time perhaps you will spell the name correctly on the file that you upload. Here is a link where you can find the logo independent of the Promethean corporate website. There are people from around the world using the incorrect logo they find here on Wikipedia. It should be changed to the logo that Promethean has used since at least as early as the 4th quarter of 2011. Truemoss (talk) 17:03, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi - I have now updated the logo and hopefully got the spelling right this time; apologies it was wrong before. Dormskirk (talk) 20:38, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank You. Truemoss (talk) 02:02, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


I understand that Herbert Kitchener, 1st Earl Kitchener is an assessed article; however, I think the portrait I posted is more effective than the formal portrait. It's iconic, and, whether or not it has all his awards, you know it's Kitchener. And it draws your attention; it's a great feature with which to start the article, if nothing else. I do apologize for doing so unilaterally, though. Stolengood (talk) 02:32, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Many weeks of work went into getting the article on KItchener to the required standard to pass assessment as a "B" article and yet you have imposed an image, which in my view lowers the standard, in a second. But Wikipedia is democratic and I suppose you are at liberty to undo all those efforts. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 22:56, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

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George Simpson (Royal Navy officer)[edit]

This was the commander of the Tenth Submarine Flotilla at Malta who went on to be Flag Officer Submarines and COMSUBEASTLANT. Do you have anything on him? Buckshot06 (talk) 06:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi - I suspect you will have already seen this: [1]. I don't have anything else. Sorry. Dormskirk (talk) 11:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Charles Elworthy, Baron Elworthy[edit]

Thanks for the heads-up on this. And the slap on the wrist. Because the awards section I added was a summary of referenced info, I hadn't troubled to repeat the citations; worse, the Freeman entries were not otherwise ref'd. Must try better. I've reinstated them with the refs and added the DSO citation from "Air of Authority". Hope this suffices. I can see the point of downgrading when unref'd info is added, but I hope that the guilty editor is advised and allowed to do a repair. Cheers. Folks at 137 (talk) 21:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


This was moved to Serco Group at your request. Why do you want it moving back? Just Chilling (talk) 23:36, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi - Sorry for any confusion. I am asking for it to be moved to from Serco Group to Serco (as explained on the talk page). Hope that clarifies things. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 23:39, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi - Many thanks for sorting it. Dormskirk (talk) 23:45, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


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David Steel (Royal Navy officer)[edit]

Hi Dormskirk, DGSteel added a Freeman of the City of London yesterday, you reverted this because it is not independently sourced as required by WP:BLP. However, David Steel bio in official Royal Navy site mentioned a Freeman of the City of London-reference no 1 but that David Steel bio in Royal Navy site been replaced with new Second Sea Lord now. However you can see the cache of Second Sea Lord Royal Navy page in machine. Does this mean we could add a Freeman of the City of London back to the page? Thanks. Cheers. Ikatemag (talk) 15:50, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes - I have added it back: thanks for finding the reference. Dormskirk (talk) 22:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I have question about WP:BLP, can LinkedIn profile page be considered as reference in Wikipedia? Ikatemag (talk) 04:40, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi - WP:SOURCE requires articles to be sourced from "reliable, third-party, published sources". I would have thought that LinkedIn fails the "third party" test so cannot be used. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 16:14, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Dormskirk - I have question in Talk page of David Steel (Royal Navy officer) about WP:CREDENTIAL. Is it ok if I wrote question like that in the BLP talk page? I still have a little bit confusion about some rules in Wikipedia. I hope you understand. Thanks Ikatemag (talk) 23:59, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi - Yes. Of course. That would be a good place to open any debate on this. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 10:02, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

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FM Sir Patrick Grant[edit]

I've been to the cemetery and have taken a photograph of Sir Patrick Grant's memorial, it's just that I haven't uploaded it to Wikipedia yet. ViennaUK (talk) 21:04, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi - You still need a source. This article has been expanded and assessed as "B" on the quality scale. It will be downgraded if any unsourced material is added so please don't add unsourced material. That said I have found a source and therefore re-inserted your text. The photo would be very welcome and would actually be better. Dormskirk (talk) 21:07, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Help with Accenture[edit]

Hi there, Dormskirk. I've seen you help with company articles before, and I was wondering if you had some time to look over a message I just posted to the Accenture Talk page. There are several edits I'm requesting, including updating outdated information and correcting some inaccuracies. I'd appreciate any feedback or help you can provide. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 16:03, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Done. Please see my comments on the Accenture talk page. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 22:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Merchiston Castle School[edit]

I noticed that you reverted a change made by an IP. I looked at that change yesterday and raised an eyebrow myself. A quick look at the source clearly states that there are 6 houses and lists each one except the "Pringle Center" that the IP had removed. Jcmcc (Talk) 06:28, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi - Noted. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 20:37, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

A cupcake for you![edit]

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg Thank you very much for helping with the page KAZ Minerals! Aya Nurpeissova (talk) 15:35, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 20:38, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

IG Group[edit]

Hey Dormskirk, we made substantial factual changes to the IG Group page recently (including adding information about moving into stockbroking). In IG we do all our wikipedia updates similarly and that is by declaring our potential conflict of interest when challenged and sticking to factual updates.

We respect your right to make the changes you see fit but was wondering how best to go about this process as these changes still need to be made. PLease advise?

Thank you,

Hi - Thanks for your query. You should not make any changes to the article if you are an employee of the company: please read WP:COI which explains why employees should not edit articles about the company for which they work. Nor should any changes be made which promote the company's products as this would breach WP:ADVERT. Finally all information should be independently sourced as required by WP:SOURCE. If there any changes that you would like to propose then please suggest them on the article talk page (citing an independent source we can use). A good example of this being done well can be seen at Talk:Accenture. By the way I have added something on the stockbroking platform now. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 20:41, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

hi Dormskirk, thank you for adding the stockbroking reference and for the general advice. I will use the Talk page to suggest area where we could improve the article.

A kitten for you![edit]


Thank you again for all your help.



HayleySandford (talk) 16:50, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

thanks for the kitten! Dormskirk (talk) 23:44, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

TBC Bank[edit]

Hi Dormskirk,

As you are interested in topic of finance, could you please review this article on matters of advertising text: Thanks SGNII (talk) 15:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi - I have removed unsoured material which seemed largely promotional. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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Hambro family[edit]

Hello. I have noticed that you created Carl Joachim Hambro (banker). Are you interested in helping out more with in-line referenced content and possibly pictures? I have created Category:Hambro family, including some new referenced pages.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Btw, I also created Dixton Manor and Delcombe Manor. Do you think Kidbrooke Park should have a separate page from Michael Hall (school) (see [2])? And Dumbleton Hall from Dumbleton? I would say so, but not sure I can retrieve their histories.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:16, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi - Please feel free to expand Carl Joachim Hambro if you have more well-sourced material. Re Kidbrooke Park I doubt if a separate article is needed but, if you have more material to justify a separate article on Dumbleton Hall, that would be good. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you HayleySandford (talk) 13:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Hayley - Very many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 20:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

William Thornton (British Army officer)[edit]

Dear Dormskirk, concerning your revert here, with the comment:

remove unwikified and unsourced text: please read WP:SOURCE

please note:

  • I am not aware of any policies requiring removal of unwikified source
  • The text added was sourced. A reference to the Dictionary of National Biography was included in my edit. This was also pointed out by User:Opera hat

Therefore, your edit was reverted. --FocalPoint (talk) 19:39, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I fail to see how expanding an article according to wikipedia policy (public domain text, properly referenced) can be counted as destroying the hard work of others. --FocalPoint (talk) 20:10, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Furthermore, as I pointed out, in line citation (as required by WP:SOURCE) was added. Please take a second look to the text that you reverted. --FocalPoint (talk) 20:12, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

All you have done is a cut and paste job. As previously explained, you need to use a variety of sources, in-line citations and proper wikilinks. There would be no point in wikipedia if everything was a cut and paste from public domain sources. Dormskirk (talk) 20:15, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Greene King[edit]

I’ve reinstated the information on Greene King which you’ve twice deleted quoting WP:SOURCE. I’ve added a further independent reference, specifically Spirit’s own communication to its shareholders describing Greene King and the proposed acquisition, which is still not complete.

I see from your user page that you have updated the infoboxes of every FTSE100 and FTSE250 company. That’s a great piece of work and a good contribution to Wikipedia. But how exactly have you done this consistently with your interpretation of WP:SOURCE? Because I would guess that the original source of each piece of information must have come from the company itself, and whilst you could no doubt find the same information in press comments or whatever, those articles are surely just repeating the figures they’ve got from the company.

So far as Greene King is concerned, I think you’ve quoted the company’s figures for turnover, but you don’t seem to think I should quote its figures for numbers of pubs, details of its acquisition or its own description of its strategy. Swinnow16 (talk) 08:32, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi- Thank you for your comments on my talk page. WP:SOURCE is pretty clear that information should come from an independent source. Given that revenue, operating income and profit figures are a standard feature of the information box and they cannot be obtained from anywhere other than independent audited financial statements there is no alternative but to take these figures from there. However as far as any other information is concerned then I think it is essential to observe both the letter and spirit of WP:SOURCE. It takes a huge amount of time to keep 350 articles up to date and to ensure that unsourced (and often misleading) information is removed on a timely basis. I am very glad you have raised this issue with me but very surprised that you have chosen to take a different view. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 19:59, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

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A kitten for you![edit]

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Thank you so much for your help. Hayley

HayleySandford (talk) 09:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 22:19, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Dear Dormskirk

I found your entry for Col.Alexander Shaw and as he was eldest brother of my 4th great grandfather Maj.General Aeneas Shaw UEL.Are you related to the Shaws'. Regards Richard Shaw UE Rjsm53 (talk) 13:39, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 13:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi there, I was just looking over the John Slessor article and thinking to myself there's no reason it shouldn't be GA, so I did a bit of polishing and was wondering if you'd care to co-nom with me at GAN -- if you'd like to tweak it further, no prob, but I think it's pretty well there... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Following up, we now have a GA to our credit with our mutual friend here! I've also nominated for DYK, so pls feel free to tweak the hook, or add an alternative, if you feel like it. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi - That's great news about Slessor - GA and DYN! Thanks for the update. Dormskirk (talk) 22:56, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia[edit]

Hello, Dormskirk. :) I see that CorenSearchBot recently flagged a copyright problem with the article you created at Chippenham Park. The problem was not precisely what the bot thought it was - rather, it is that you copied content from one page on Wikipedia to another without giving attribution. Wikipedia's content is not public domain; it is owned by the people who write the material, but liberally licensed so that others can reuse and modify it. In order to do so, though, we have to meet the terms of the license, and attribution is one of those key requirements. You cannot copy text from one article to another without providing at least a direct link in the edit summary to the original unless you are the sole author of that content. If the content you copy is substantial, you should also acknowledge the copying on the talk pages of the articles to help ensure attribution is maintained. Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia talks a little bit about why this is and also how to give attribution.

Fortunately, this is not a difficult problem to repair, even after the fact. I have repaired this one, but if you have previously copied content from one article to another, even if a long time ago, please go back and attribute so that the terms of the license are met.

Thanks! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:07, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi - Many thanks for the advice. Yes, I was just moving material from one article to another. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 20:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you again for your help - Hayley HayleySandford (talk) 14:44, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Hayley - Many thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 20:18, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for John Slessor[edit]

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HellermannTyton is[edit]

Hi Dormskirk, Delphi Automotive Agrees to Buy HellermannTyton for $1.7 Billion, as native speaker english, and with your knowledge about the FTSE 250 Index you might be a much better author than me. (c; best wishes, Paul --Paul HT (talk) 11:46, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi - Done. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 20:14, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

This is really cool, thx --Paul HT (talk) 06:49, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig[edit]

Why would I do that? I still think it's excess detail. And obviously I can't say whether I'll revert your future edits until I see them. Britmax (talk) 21:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

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Newcastle Castle (in Newcastle)[edit]

(that is, the castle that put the -castle in “Newcastle”)
Hello there: I've been thinking about this; I feel I may have over-reacted a bit, which isn't a good thing.
One possible solution, if there is any evidence at all that the new name has some common currency, would be (seeing as it gets about ten times as many views as the one in Wales) to move The Castle, Newcastle to Newcastle Castle (losing the dab page, per WP:TWODAB) and put a hatnote on it to the one in Bridgend. What do you reckon?
The only problem I can see is if we subsequently acquire articles on all the other new castles dotted around; but WP is very much about the here and now, I suppose... Swanny18 (talk) 16:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi - Thanks for this. Yes, I think the solution you are proposing is a good one. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 16:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi Dormskirk. I noticed that you fixed a bare url that I recently added using a tool called reFill which is apparently the new Reflinks - thank you for that. As a former devotee of Reflinks I'm keen to learn how reFill works. Do you have to feed it a url to generate a full ref or can it be installed in your browser toolbar to automatically scan and update a page a la Reflinks? Thanks. danno_uk 21:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi - It is very easy to use. Here is the link: [3]. Just input the article name, then click "fix page", then click "Preview / save on wiki" and then click "save page". Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 22:06, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you again, most helpful! danno_uk 22:29, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Lord Edward Somerset and London Gazette[edit]

I am currently trying to translate the article about Lord Edward Somerset to Wikipedia in Bokmål/Riksmål (Norwegian) and I try to find sources for promotions in The London Gazette. I have found some, but some entries I do not quite understand. Like this one:

"20/h Ditto, Captain Allan Cameron, from the 66th Foot, to be Major, without Purchase, vice Lord Edward Somerset, appointed to the 12th Light Dragoons."

What does Ditto here means, is it the date (20 December) or is it some unit? And while I am at it, what does vice implies? I looked up the help pages but I get no viser, if you could help me out I would be most happy about that. What I try to pinpoint is a source for the last part of this statement (the transfer to the 28th light dragoons):

He was aide-de-camp to the Duke of York in the expedition to Holland in 1799, and was given a majority in the 12th light dragoons in November, from which he was transferred twelve months afterwards to the 28th light dragoons.

-from this article about him:,_Robert_Edward_Henry_(DNB00)

Any help would be much appreciated! Ulflarsen (talk) 11:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi - Ditto means "the same as above" i.e. in this case "Regiment of Light Dragoons". "vice" means "to replace" so the gazette entry means: "20th Regiment of Light Dragoons: Captain Allan Cameron appointed to the 20th Regiment of Light Dragoons to replace Lord Edward Somerset, who has been appointed to the 12th Light Dragoons". Here is his appointment to the 28th Light Dragoons in November 1800: [4]. I hope this helps. Dormskirk (talk) 16:34, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, the meaning seemed to be about what I expected, good to have it confirmed. I currently work on writing articles connected to the Battle of Waterloo and I do what I can so they are well supported by sources. Thanks again and best wishes! Ulflarsen (talk) 19:59, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


hi dear friend

could you please paraphrase "it was intended to be consulted as the texts changed". thank you Alborzagros (talk) 13:28, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi - Please can you give me some context. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 13:30, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for reply. you can see dome context here (over there in lid). thank you Alborzagros (talk) 06:13, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi - It is not a subject on which I have any expertise but I would say “It was intended that the Ormulum would form a specialist resource which scholars could consult as and when biblical texts were being developed”. Dormskirk (talk) 20:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
thanksAlborzagros (talk) 04:59, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

RELX Group[edit]

Hi. Thanks for the feedback on the RELX/RELX Group/Reed Elsevier renaming. Now the content is all a bit confusing, would you be able to help us with getting everything accurate again? Obviously we want to avoid any conflict of interest and help Wikipedia get the best information they can about the company. If we point out which parts are still accurate (which will basically be the content from the deleted RELX Group page) and which bits aren't any more, would you be able to help sort that out? Also with any references that you think should be changed - there may be alternate sources that could be used for some of them. Thanks again Ryoba (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi - No problem. You can still suggest amendments to the article even if you have a conflict of interest. The best way to do this is to list each suggested amendment together with an independent source at Talk:RELX Group. A good example of this in practice can be found at Talk:Aviva. Please give us a few suggestions at a time though because wikipedia editors will need to check through them! I hope this helps. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 22:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXIV, September 2015[edit]

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Deployments of the British Military[edit]


I saw this article (Deployments of the British Military) earlier looks familiar doesn't it? Gavbadger (talk) 20:20, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi - Well spotted. I would suggest the text is deleted and a redirect to List of British Army installations inserted. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 20:32, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election[edit]

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Hi Dormskirk, I noticed that you'd edited Glencore a while back. I'm a PR representative and one of my clients is Trafigura – I was working with a couple of editors on this article for a few months, in particular CorporateM who's now taken a step back from voluntary editing. I've suggested one or two updates and additions to the article here on the talk page, which I haven't been able to get any one to review yet having tried previous editors and posted here on COIN. I wonder if you might be willing to take a look? Many thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 18:24, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, thanks very much for your help – agree that number of countries/offices isn't appropriate for history, but perhaps Trafigura operates from 65 offices in 36 countries.[1] could go at the top of the Business Activities section?
  1. ^ "Trafigura 2014 Annual Report" (PDF). Irish Stock Exchange. 2014. Retrieved 29 September 2015. 

HOgilvy (talk) 20:37, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Largely done. I have also cleaned up the article. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 20:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Many thanks, on the corporate structure – it is very out of date and I wonder if it might be appropriate to replace it with this as per the most recent prospectus on the ISE website. It's a primary source but probably appropriate for info like this? Thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 21:18, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
As you say, it is a primary source so cannot really be used. Dormskirk (talk) 21:28, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Not even for info like this which secondary sources never report? Just referring back to CorporateM's comment here. Understand if not. Thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 22:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
It is a matter of opinion but I really prefer to see minimal use of primary sources - ideally just for infobox material. Dormskirk (talk) 22:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Sure no problem, thanks again for taking a look.HOgilvy (talk) 22:50, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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Claude Dauphin[edit]

Hi Dormskirk, a major edit has been made to Claude Dauphin, where the editor has added 300 words or so of POV content on his career, almost all of it unreferenced. There are plenty of obituaries and other reliable sources available with which to expand the article and I'm happy to work with you or anyone else to do that, but this latest edit is poor. Would you mind taking a look? Thanks very much. HOgilvy (talk) 11:34, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi - I have removed the unsourced material. Fine for the article to be expanded but material needs to be properly sourced. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 21:12, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Awards in Infobox[edit]

Hi Dormskirk, does Awards paramater only show most senior grade of orders of chivalry in its list? e.g an officer has Knight Commander of the Order of The British Empire and Commander of the Order of The British Empire, can both be listed in Awards parameters? or only most senior grade (Knight Commander) can be listed in Awards parameter? Can you point out to me guildlines on Wikipedia about this? I read WP:BLP of Royal Navy officers, all of them who have Knight Commander and Commander, only show Knight Commander? What if I add both Knight Commander and Commander, do I violate Wiki guidelines? Thank you.Ikatemag (talk) 19:21, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi - It is nothing to do with Wiki guidelines. It is to do with the Orders of Chivalry - if you are advanced from Companion of the Bath (CB) to Knight Commander of the Bath (KCB) then you cease to be a Companion of the Bath so it would be wrong to include Companion of the Bath in the awards list in the infobox. The same with ranks: if you are promoted from major-general to lieutenant-general you cease to be a major-general so it would be wrong to include major-general as a rank in the infobox. I hope this helps. Dormskirk (talk) 21:34, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Royal Artillery historians[edit]

I was wondering whether there was a group of administrators who are British military historians? I have created several pages on Wikipedia which uses original research from a book. The Royal Artillery Historical Society, FEPOW, and POW Research Network Japan have endorsed the research but there are a few (mostly Australian and American) amateur historians and Wikipedia administrators who have taken it upon themselves to remove any reference to the research, even through the author has shared the raw research on the book's website. Any suggestions? --TheBlackandSilver (talk) 05:14, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Administrators are people with the technical ability to perform certain special actions on the English Wikipedia. You would expect them to be IT experts rather than historians. If you can let me know which article you are referring to then I can take a look for you. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 23:35, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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British Military Installations.[edit]

Dear Dormskirk, You clearly have a deep knowledge of British Military History and Devotion to it. Wikipedia, and therefore by extension all those such as myself who care deeply about knowledge, owe you a debt of gratitude for contributing to Wikipedia. I am a sincere admirer of your excellent work and have been for some time.

Yesterday I spend the majority of my Sunday doing extensive and careful work to correct what I perceived to be the deficiencies in the British Army Installations article. The problems in the page were significant, lacking any sort of context. Having given the project about eight hours of my time myself, I can readily understand why you wished to improve my doubtless very imperfect work and article.

I have however a number of defences to my edits I would like to make;

1) I have sources, for example I spent some time understanding the treaty of establishment of the Republic of Cyprus. I deeply regret not citing them already. It was a major failing In me not to do so. I received your kind and appropriate message this afternoon and merely required more time to add the citations because I was at work and with my children. I understand why you felt the need to remove it fast but wonder whether I might ask your permission for me to put it up again with citations.

2) I agree you are right to remove much the RAF and Navy material. Apologies. 2A) However in some cases such as RAF Mt Pleasant or RAF Akrioti, these are also army facilities (RAF Mt Pleasant for example having close to 1000 British Soldiers deployed there). I therefore feel it is valid to classify these two RAF bases at least as Army facilities as well as Airforce facilities; facilities can serve both the RAF And the Army. 2B) I feel an additional area of complexity surrounds RAF Radar facilities, which are often manned by the Royal Engineers from the Army. I therefore wonder whether it might be analytically rigorous to i) include these facilities or ii) create a separate area for British Military installations overall. Obviously I'm delighted to defer to your opinion in this area but wonder whether there are complexities to be addressed which the current framework fails to recognise. I fear this may risk deceiving readers.

3) As concerns the area of the article concerning Cyprus. A) You were concerned that I named some bases which were not currently occupied observing that there were many unused British bases around the world; I can see why you considered this liminal I was concerned as well. My train of though was as follows, these bases are still held by the British Army which has access rights and will likely reoccupy them in the future. For me this differentiates them from abandoned British bases around the world; they are still held by the army which as full rights to use them. In this sense I considered them more analogous to an unoccupied training area. B) My failure of citation in the section concerning British Rights to bases in Cyprus has resulted in confusion; as a result you were unable to accurately summarise it. This my fault. If you will grant permission I will correct it forthwith including referencing more fully especially referencing the foundation treaty. I personally find the legal basis on which base rights rest both deeply interesting and enlightening.

4) I understand why you felt the need to delete my explanation of British training facilities in Kenya. I have citations and with your consent will re-insert them.

As you may have summoned I'm new to Wikipedia; please forgive the flaws which doubtless pervade this message and the article.

Thank you for considering my thoughts. A sincere admirer who wishes to benefit from your extensive experience.

Hi - Many thanks for taking the trouble to write this. You clearly know what you are talking about when it comes to Cyprus and I would welcome further input from yourself. Just a few thoughts (i) if RAF Mt Pleasant and RAF Akrioti have close to 1000 British Soldiers deployed there then I agree it is valid to classify these two RAF bases as Army facilities as well as Air force facilities. Please feel free to re-insert the additions with appropriate citations. (ii) Likewise RAF Radar facilities, which are manned by the Royal Engineers from the Army. Again please feel free to re-insert the additions with appropriate citations. (iii) Also please feel free to reference the foundation treaty for Cyprus. (iv) I am a bit more doubtful about your history of British Training in Kenya. I just don't think such a long description is relevant in this list - a separate article perhaps? I hope this helps. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 23:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi. On reflection you're entirely right about Kenya, an irrelevant area in which I happened to become interested/became bogged down. Thanks for your help/time.

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Claude Dauphin[edit]

Hi Dormskirk, I've put a few new sections in my sandbox with a view to expanding Claude Dauphin. To try and make it clearer I've included everything that's currently there which I think might remain as it is and suggested new sections in blue font. Some of those are additional content and some of them are intended to expand on what's currently there – I've given a full explanation on the talk page. If you've got time to have a look at some point that'd be much appreciated. Many thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 22:33, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi - It looks pretty good to me. I would be quite happy to move it to main space. Dormskirk (talk) 22:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi, that's great, thanks – should be good to go bar losing the colour templates. HOgilvy (talk) 22:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Done. Dormskirk (talk) 22:52, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Great, thanks very much. HOgilvy (talk) 10:18, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXVII, December 2015[edit]

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Thanks for your hard work this year!![edit]

Very much appreciate all you've done. Also note as the Kenyan data is valuable, I've created British Army Training Unit Kenya. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi - Many thanks for that. Yes I did suggest to HannahD "a separate article perhaps" for Kenya. Great that you have set it up for her. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 23:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


Just to say nice work on the Gloucesters today! It's looking much better. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks for that. It did seem to be missing a bit on the First World War. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 17:55, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Army Foundation College Harrogate[edit]


Regarding the Wiki page on the topic of the Army Foundation College Harrogate, I am looking to update the page to reflect the current situation at the college. Describing the training, education and sport which the the Junior Soldiers undertake.

I have edited the page to reflect this, however you have reverted my edits back to your previous edition. Can I please ask for a reason for this and guidance on editing the page in the future. As I would like to work together to make the wiki page up to date and factually correct.


Hi - Sure. Thanks for raising this with me. The key point is that any additions to the article should be independently sourced as required by WP:SOURCE. A good example is Inglis Barracks: you will see that each paragraph has a citations at the end of it. Please note that the citations need to be independent so using the Ministry of Defence website or college website as the source would be inappropriate. I hope this helps. Dormskirk (talk) 20:47, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Lord Mountbatten[edit]

Dear Dormskirk,

I know that a peerage is not an "office" as such; for this reason, the title Earl Mountbatten of Burma was indicated as title, not as office held by Lord Mountbatten. Moreover, even though he was an officeholder, he was also a peer (and in peers' infobox there's the section title). It would be more appropriate to add the section to Earl Mountbatten's infobox.

Kind regards,

Alistair Wettin (talk) 12:42, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi - I understand your point. My concern is that the infobox for Mountbatten is already very cluttered and I have not seen the title (with tenure and successor) included in the infobox in this way before. For example the infobox for Archibald Wavell, 1st Earl Wavell does not include such details. Are there any other longstanding examples of what you propose? Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 21:25, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


Dormskirk (hi)

Are you aware that Chicksands has been JITG Chicksands since 01-01-2015? JITG = Joint Intelligence Training Group. (The British Army - Intelligence Corps Opportunities) I realize that this is not a source for citation, merely a pointer.

Regards, The joy of all things (talk) 21:27, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi - Thanks for that. The MoD are always inventing new acronyms! I suggest we continue to call it the Defence Intelligence and Security Centre for now. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Times archive[edit]

BTW Please let me know if you ever need me to look up something for you in the the Times archive. It's a great source of info and they usually have very good obituaries on everyone of note. I try to use it at every possible chance to get my money's worth, so please just ask! МандичкаYO 😜 17:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi - That's great. Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 23:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXVIII, January 2016[edit]

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