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Moorish Science Temple of America bias wikipedia scholarship[edit]

Greetings. Last night, as I sat and read this page, I immediately began to edit many NON-REFERENCED bits of information. I have tried to edit this page in the past and many others pertaining to the Moors (see the Almoravids thread to this same editor/overseer). I would post [citation needed] and would give reasons why a citation was needed. For instance, Noble Drew Ali NEVER referenced himself as Timothy Drew, he referenced himself as Noble Drew Ali. Not only did he and the membership reference him by this name, the public and the media also referenced him by this name. Proof can be shown in the following newspaper article along with MANY others and yet, this Wikipedia article constantly refers to him as "Timothy Drew" and "Drew." This was not the case when this page was first established. Someone was allowed to come onto this page and edit and now, no one can change it. I find that quite odd.

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Chicago Defender reporting on Noble Drew Ali's visit to Marcus Garvey

The use of the name is inconsistent in the article. In some portions he is referenced as Timothy Drew. In others, he is referenced as Drew, and yet still, he is referenced as Noble Drew Ali. There are things within the article that have absolutely NO merit and cannot be found in the organizations religious text or literature. I will list just a few of them here:

  • "...and in religious texts, adherents refer to themselves racially as "Asiatics"."

This can be found nowhere in the religious texts of the M.S.T of A. Please cite your citation.

  • "Traditionally, it was believed that Timothy Drew was born on January 8, 1886 in North Carolina, USA."

This is not guess work or belief, this is from the man himself and his birthday celebrations were reported in the Chicago Defender which can be evinced below:

Poor scholastic methodology was used in this article. Let us continue...

  • "Drew reported that during his travels, he met with a high priest of Egyptian magic. In one version of Drew's biography, the leader saw him as a reincarnation of the founder, while in others, the priest considered Drew a reincarnation of Jesus, the Buddha, Muhammad and other religious prophets. According to the biography, the high priest trained Drew in mysticism and gave him a "lost section" of the Quran."

Who did "Drew" report this to? This can be found NOWHERE in the teachings, literature or oral sayings of Prophet Noble Drew Ali which can be read here

  • "This text came to be known as the Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple of America (which is not to be confused with the Islamic Quran)."

This view was obviously inserted by one who holds OBJECTIVE VIEWS to the prophethood of Noble Drew Ali who stated in the M.S.T. of A's religious text that "The fallen sons and daughters of the Asiatic Nation of North America need to learn to love instead of hate; and to know their higher self and lower self. This is the uniting of the Holy Koran of Mecca, for teaching and instructing all Moorish Americans, etc." The full text can be read here.

In this, Noble Drew Ali claimed to UNITE the text as oppose to replace it as this wikipedia article suggests. What this also suggest is that Noble Drew Ali did not bring any Islamic teachings and this too is blatantly false.

  • "Drew took parts of his book from the Rosicrucian work, Unto Thee I Grant, and most of it from The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ, published in 1908 by esoteric Ohio preacher Levi Dowling."

More poorly stated research with absolutely no citations to back it up. The Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple of America was compiled using these direct sources:

  1. Lost historical information about the true origins and identity of the Moorish Americans, being falsely called black people in the United States of America by the most Noble, Prophet, Drew Ali.
  2. 19 of the 182 chapters of The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ By Levi H. Dowling
  3. The Economy of Human Life, Complete in Two Parts, Translated from an INDIAN MANUSCRIPT written by an ANCIENT BRAHMIN. 1806 By Robert Dodsley, Philip Dormer Stanhope Earl of Chesterfield, John Hill (first published by Dodsley in 1745) [This text was copied by the Rosicrucian order in 1925 so the Wikipedia article is wrong. A link to this text can be found here ]
  4. Elegant Extracts: Or, Useful and Entertaining Passages in Prose: Selected for the Improvement of Young Persons: Being similar in Design to ELEGANT EXTRACTS in POETRY. Published in London, 1790. Author unknown. A link to this text can be found here.

Again, this wiki article is poorly sourced and offensive to members of the organization.

  • "Drew claimed to have been anointed Noble Drew Ali, the Prophet."

Anointed by who? Citation needed and yet, my edit for a citation needed was removed by this editor. It seems completely bias and it appears as if this article is trying to shed a false light on the organization and its founder by letting anyone come and make non-sourced claims, and not taking into consideration other sources which counter the claims of the books cited in the article.

  • "Moorish-Americans drink alcohol and eat pork."

This is an absolute, and blatant lie and obviously said by an opponent to the organization. No citation was given and yet, this was allowed to be posted on this cite by apparent opponents of the organization. This is false light and slander as Prophet Noble Drew Ali urged members not to eat any meat accept fish. Prophet Noble Drew Ali expressly FORBADE the drinking of alcohol. If such is not changed within this article, we will in fact begin the process of suing wikipedia for allowing these types of statements to stand unchallenged with absolutely no proofs to back them up.

"Drew believed that African Americans were all Moors who he claimed descended from the ancient Moabites (describing them as belonging to Northwest Africa as opposed to Moab as the name suggests)"

Prophet Noble Drew Ali's exact words were "The Moorish Americans are descendants of the ancient Moabites whom inhabited the Northwestern and Southwestern shores of Africa." (Act 6 of the organization's bylaws). He taught that the Moorish people, falsely called "black" people, TRAVELED FROM the ancient land of Canaan and INHABITED West Africa (Ch. 47 v. 6). You can read the full text here. The wording of this article makes it appear as if Noble Drew Ali made up this claim as if people have not migrated since the beginning of recorded history. Not only have peoples migrated, the places they settle, are usually named after the people themselves like the name Mauritania.

I can keep going and going with the blatant misinformation within this article. If these things are not changed, if you cannot find citations for slanderous statements like "Moorish-Americans drink alcohol and eat pork.", we will be suing this platform for false light as this article makes those interested in our organization not want to join. You have 72 hours to bring your citations or we will commence with a lawsuit in the appropriate venue. Peace.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheik Way-El (talkcontribs) 19:17, 13 December 2015

Zamzam Well[edit]

Hello Doug Weller, Thank you for guiding me. I really appreciate it. 'Zamzam well and potential health risks' description mentions the potential health risks of packaged Zamzam water rather than Zamzam water. It also points out the scientific research which denies the health risks of Zamzam water. So I think the title is misleading. The title should be something like 'Packaged Zamzam water and potential health risks' as the description talks about the potential health risks of packaged Zamzam water and about the scientific researches that disprove the potential health risks of Zamzam water. Thank You.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shathir Puthalath (talkcontribs) 19:54, 7 January 2016

Book of Mormon IP editor[edit]

Hi Doug,

The IP 74.231.191.88 has also edited as 75.65.155.86. This IP hit the same articles on the same dates. The content was different but also appears to have been copied verbatim from LDS.org. These edits were at Book of Mormon.

Thanks! -- ferret (talk) 19:30, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

The IP has now replaced their talk page with the same COPYVIO content. -- ferret (talk) 19:37, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
User:Ferret IP now globally blocked for spamming. Doug Weller talk 20:21, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for follow up! :) -- ferret (talk) 20:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Good morning Doug. This diff appears to be a return of the same behavior under an IPv6, direct copying of LDS.org into Book of Mormon. Could you please delete and maybe also semiprot? If there is a better venue I should approach, please let me know. -- ferret (talk) 12:49, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

User:Ferret. Done. Doug Weller talk 13:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Sleeper account[edit]

This account looks like a sockpuppet. Registered on 10 Jul 2015, inactive until 20 Jan 2016. Then did 8 similar edits on his user page (see his/her contributions) to become an autoconfirmed account (26 Jan 2016) and he/she can edit a protected article [1]. --Zyma (talk) 11:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC) Zyma quite possibly but there's no way to tell whose at the moment. Any suggestions? Doug Weller talk 13:25, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Zyma very sorry, somehow didn't get around to this, tomorrow now I hope. If you have any details you don't want to post, email me. Doug Weller talk 19:37, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
[[User:|Zyma]] I just can't find the evidence to be sure about this, sorry. Doug Weller talk 13:23, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
User:Zyma Sorry, that ping couldn't work. Doug Weller talk 13:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
No problem. I may submit a SPI case in the future. Thanks for your attention. Cheers. --Zyma (talk) 13:14, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


why do you support defend and promote hearsay assumptions and opinions that are biased uninformed and falsely based with regards to free men on the land? Do you have facts that discredit my first hand experiences and evidence? Do you commonly defend hearsay unsubstantiated opinion and biased reporting? I am [redacted personally identifiable information] and can prove all of my facts that your opinions offered in that article are not all truth facts and reality and are mostly damage control slander hearsay and indeed easily proven biased opinion174.3.33.47 (talk) 09:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Someone Needs to Keep an Eye on the Lake Missoula and Missoula Flood Articles[edit]

Someone needs to keep an eye the Lake Missoula article. User talk:87.146.174.232 is making unsourced changes to it as he or she has done to the Missoula Flood article. He or she seems intent on changing articles, without providing reliable sources, to state that there has been only one Missoula Flood as recently claimed by Graham Hancock and his colleague Randal Carlson. Paul H. (talk) 19:12, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Apologies[edit]

I apologize for my behavior on the SPLC page. I was in a bit of a bad mood at the time and did not mean to offend. I am sorry for my actions. Gdeblois19 13:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

"The Curse of Oak Island" page[edit]

Howdy! I don't know if this belongs here or not, but here goes. Recently, a number of my edits (episode summaries) have been deleted from said page, for alleged copyright violation. I had restored said edits since they are NOT copyright violation, but my own summary of episodes I watched. Following this, I received two different notices about said edits: one claimed my edits to be "disruptive editing" for restoring edits that contained alleged copyright violations, the second claimed that my edits contained original research, which has no place on Wikipedia. Although I hardly consider writing an episode synopsis "original research," I can see now how it could be construed that way.

The point I absolutely need to have come across is that I had received no proper notification or explanation about the unsuitability of my edits until after I had RESTORED them. I understand the monumentous task that it must be to maintain an encyclopedia edited by the general public, but clear communication about the grounds for reverting edits would prevent misunderstanding between editors and their motives and generally increase the quality of the encyclopedia.

I have since found episode summaries from the show's official website: I have copied them over with a link to the original source. Please have a gander and let me know if this is permissible or not. Real tlhingan (talk) 05:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)Real_tlhIngan

For the love of God please do something about this issue.[edit]

Russell Wilson page turned into a revert/edit war fiasco. Nezi1111 (talk) 00:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Gilgamesh in popular culture[edit]

Not sure why this is the case: "I've reverted you as your edits appear to be promotional." Using Theodore Ziolkowski's Gilgamesh Among Us: Modern Encounters With the Ancient Epic (2011) I am looking to improve the entry and provide relevant links where they are not currently given. I am not trying to be "promotional."

Ronanhead (talk) 14:40, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

User:Ronanhead, one of those links was selling a musical track, 2 were links mentioning the same author. I didn't see any trace of Ziolkowski's book. However, now that you explain it makes more sense, and I think that the English poet Jenny Lewis is probably notable enough by our guidelines to have her own article. Why not put her name back with your source?[2] Read WP:CITE to see how to do that. Doug Weller talk 16:06, 6 February 2016 (UTC)