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Welcome to my talk page. Downsize43 (talk) 07:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


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Great job[edit]

Welcome and thanks for including the link from Dangersleigh. (talk) 07:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Left justified images[edit]

Hi, I see you are removing images from the infobox. While I agree that including the image in the infobox makes the infobox look a little long, I am not sure left justifying the images and squeezing the text between the image and the infobox is an improvement. It may be worth seeing what other think. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 11:52, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:BOLD is a good policy to adopt—especially on articles about Australian country towns, where there is not a huge amount of interest. I am not particularly upset or bothered by the changes, I just have a personal dislike of squashed text. Others dislike long infoboxes without accompanying text. Different strokes, etc. I am certainly not wedded to any particular model and was genuinely interested in what others thought (or if anyone else really cared ...). Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 11:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Acheron class torpedo boat.[edit]

Somebody screwed up when the chose the hook. There was an ALT1 that was much better, and the ALT1 - not the hook that ran - was the one that was approved. But somebody grabbed the original hook anyway. Sigh! - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 21:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Dorrigo Plateau[edit]

Unfortunately no. If I had used a book it would definitely of been sourced. Since I am not that familiar with the subject I most probably used Google but wasn't sure enough if the source or sources were reliable enough but having found similar information elsewhere online, I assumed it would be ok to add the basic details without citations. It could of been this Dorrigo.com page or something similar. This article from the Sydney Morning Herald may be useful. Are you challenging the claims? - Shiftchange (talk) 03:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Jug Tavern[edit]

Your edits to the article were generally improvements. However*, I reverted your change to spaced en dashes. MOS:EMDASH says we can use either that or (what I prefer) unspaced em dashes to indicate an interruption, as long as we use them consistently within the article. Where there are two ways to do something (and no clear consensus on which way is better), such as whether to list categories alphabetically or in decreasing order of relevance, the rule is generally to respect the way the original editor did it. Daniel Case (talk) 14:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

  • A word that I still like to avoid since it suggests a point of view more often than people realize.

I personally like spaced em dashes better, but the MOS says unspaced so that's what we use. Daniel Case (talk) 15:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

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Cobby[edit]

Hi, I was just wondering about your rationale for moving the image a little while ago. I don't have an issue with it per se, but I think that passage read more logically as it was, as one paragraph rather than two (quite short) ones. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:22, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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List of expatriate Irish populations[edit]

Sorry for the late reply but if that article is about the Irish in the United Kingdom (full name: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland), then the Northern Irish can fall into that category. Yes such a subject can be a political hot potato but technically – personal preferences aside – they are Irish geographically and British politically. People from the UK are British because it's easy for the government and everyone else to class us as that, rather than British and Northern Irish. VEOonefive 03:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Peveril...[edit]

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Brisbane Valley Highway[edit]

Hi Downsize43, I have responded to a comment you made in 2013 on the talk page of the above article. You may be interested in reading it. Cheers, Summerdrought (talk) 03:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

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National Route, State Route[edit]

Hi Downsize43. Can I ask why, in edits such as [2], you are removing "National Route" and "State Route" from those route types in RJLs? - Evad37 [talk] 23:33, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

The MOS says "route name or number or both". This is the form I have used in most of the RJL that I have done in the last 2 years, as it is less clutter and just as meaningful, especially when read in conjunction with Notes. All I was doing here was applying the same "standard" to some that I did years ago. Downsize43 (talk) 02:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
That part of MOS:RJL doesn't mean stripping the route to the bare numerals – it's about giving both a route designation and a road name when a road has both, and the order in which they are given. The MOS does have provision for abbreviating route type (I- instead of Interstate), but not for ommiting route type entirely. And it's not really "just as meaningful", since you're loosing the distinction between route types – especially for readers with a screen-reader or images turned off, but also for readers not familiar with what the shapes and symbols mean. There was a whole discussion on text labels for icons at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australian_Roads/Archive_1#Other_considerations which you may want to review - Evad37 [talk] 03:34, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
No problem to revert recent changes. Fixing the rest may take a little longer. Downsize43 (talk) 04:32, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding, and thank you for your work on improving road articles - Evad37 [talk] 05:47, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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Many thanks, and happy new year to you. Downsize43 (talk) 11:52, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Mail[edit]

Hi Downsize43,

A request for assistance please. I am about to begin a new article for the Thomson Developmental Road and have uploaded a map for it to Commons [3]. However, I have noticed that National Route 79 and State Route 14 which I have added to my map, no longer appear on the List of Roads in Queensland. Can you advise if these numbers are correct, and if not let me know what they should be, so that I can make the necessary amendments before I write the article. Also, if you have noticed any errors on my maps, please let me know as I will be more than happy to correct them.

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Surat Developmental Road[edit]

Hi John, I have begun a new article Surat Developmental Road, and I think I have it mostly correct. The Hema map I have been using dated 2007, shows the road differently at the eastern end, where it goes from Tara to Kogan instead of Tara to Kumbarilla. It was also numbered as State Route 71 on my map. Google maps and the Dept. of Transport and Main Roads show it as I have now depicted. Do you know when the change to State Route 87 and re-alignment occurred? Cheers, Graham Summerdrought (talk) 01:21, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

No idea of earlier history or plans for this road. The article and map both look good to me. John Downsize43 (talk) 02:16, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Ok no worries, thank you John. Summerdrought (talk) 02:30, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

1873 Roma Street railway station building and Dalby[edit]

What was written about Dalby was actually correct, but you are right that Dalby is not on the Warwick line and the way it was written leads to the impression that it was. I've rewritten those first few paragraphs of the history in the hope it makes the story more coherent. I also got rid of the red herring about Brisbane Central railway station (which played no role in the events being discussed). If you have a moment, could you re-read those paras and see if that's a better explanation of events. Thanks Kerry (talk) 02:54, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Kerry, All good. While I have your attention, I am not comfortable with the phrase "built from 1873 to 1940s circa by John Petrie" in the lede (Petrie died in 1892). Care to rephrase it somehow? Downsize43 (talk) 03:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Good catch. Thanks Kerry (talk) 03:54, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Cavendish Road, Brisbane[edit]

Thanks for putting that material into RJL format (something I can edit at a pinch but not create in the first place). Kerry (talk) 07:30, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Philip Frederic Sellheim[edit]

If you are keen to write about him, remember that pre-1955 newspaper articles are out of copyright so you can copy text directly from them that you can't copy from ADB which is a copyright source. I often use pre-1955 obituaries from newspapers as the initial basis for a biography. For Sellheim, here are a number of newspaper obituaries (but because of the use of the telegraph, many newspapers will carry more-or-less similar versions of the obituary). [4] Have fun! Kerry (talk) 22:21, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kerry, Thanks for the encouragement. I may get around to it sometime, but don't hold your breath. Cheers, John Downsize43 (talk) 00:12, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Scenic Highway (Queensland) between Yeppoon and Emu Park - do you know anything about it?[edit]

I just stumbled on the Scenic Highway when writing about Mulambin, Queensland. It's in the Queensland Globe (published by the Qld Govt) so I assume it's official but it doesn't occur in Lists of Highways in Queensland etc. It's mentioned in List of road routes in Queensland but not linked anywhere. Any insights into this one? Kerry (talk) 07:23, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

I know nothing about this road beyond what is in Google maps. Sorry. Downsize43 (talk) 21:49, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

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Beaudesert Road[edit]

If you have some spare time for a missing road, Beaudesert Road is hanging out for an article. Thanks Kerry (talk) 07:25, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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Anzac Avenue[edit]

@Kerry Raymond: Hi Kerry, Thanks for your help on Anzac Avenue - I am learning all sorts of new things as I go along. You might like to see whether the two headings for “Plantings” are somehow avoidable without losing anything from the article. Cheers, John Downsize43 (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

I have merged the planting sections. Kerry (talk) 00:03, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
By the way, if by "new things" you meant Template:Clear, you have probably seen it many times before. It's usually written as {{-}} which is just a redirect to Clear. Kerry (talk) 00:08, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
@Kerry Raymond: When I edit "Route" or "Major intersections" the "clear" template and the "Infobox historic site" details are displayed. Is this as expected? Downsize43 (talk) 00:41, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Well, it's harmless but I shifted the infobox after the History heading, so it should not appear when you do section editing. The clear has to be at the end of the Route/Major intersections because it is trying to keep the text and the right-hand boxes of that section together by delaying whatever follows. Kerry (talk) 01:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Woondum, Queensland[edit]

@Kerry Raymond: Hi Kerry, The sleepy hollow of Woondum, Queensland is now on the map as the northern end of the M1 (Queensland). Would you be able to work your magic and kill the redlinks I have created. Many thanks, John Downsize43 (talk) 03:50, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

A mystery - while DOT says the new intersection of M1 and Old Bruce Hwy is in Woondum the Google map says it is in Kybong. The Whereis map also shows the same.
Problem solved. I have changed all occurrences of Woondum to Kybong. Cheers.

Downsize43 (talk) 04:02, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Woondum, Queensland now exists. Kerry (talk) 06:27, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
@Kerry Raymond: Thanks again. Downsize43 (talk) 06:35, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree the Queensland Globe also shows the Bruce Highway to be immediately parallel to the boundary of Woondum but in Kybong rather than Woondum. Kerry (talk) 07:38, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Gillies Highway aka Gillies Range Road[edit]

If there is anything you can do for this new article, it would be appreciated. It is variously called Gillies Highway and Gillies Range Road, so I am unclear if it is an official highway or not. There were snippets about it in various articles which I have combined into this stub. Kerry (talk) 21:43, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond and Summerdrought:

Hi Kerry - done my bit for now. Hi Summerdrought - Would you be able to produce one of your excellent maps for Gillies Highway Cheers all, Downsize43 (talk) 04:39, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Great work! It looks like a "proper" road article now!
Hi Downsize43, I have found a government publication that refers to the Gillies as the Gillies Range Road. Here is the link to Queensland State-controlled roads:[5] In the sub-heading Region Maps select North Queensland Region map. The road has the number 642 as its identifier. The locals here do refer to it as the Gillies Highway though. I will look into drawing a map for the article, give me a week or two. Cheers, Summerdrought (talk) 03:00, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Far North Queensland[edit]

@Kerry Raymond: Hi Kerry, Following my booboo on Shire of Mareeba I have done some research on FNQ. Found some discrepancies but want to run them by you before I make any changes.

  • In Far North Queensland the list of 25 LGA's (in text and in Infobox) contains 3 links to localities rather than Aboriginal Shires. These are: Hopevale, Lockhart River and Mappoon.
  • The navbox Far North Queensland (see in Wooroonooran National Park for example) is missing 6 of the 25 LGA's. They are:Burke, Carpentaria, Croydon, Doomadgee, Etheridge and Mornington.
  • Only a small number of towns are shown in the navbox, with many important centres missing.

I will make any changes you deem appropriate. On a related note the map of districts in Far North Queensland is missing Douglas, Mareeba and Torres.

Cheers, John Downsize43 (talk) 11:35, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, the links to localities is probably bccause for a long time we didn't have articles on most of the Aboriginal Shires until I made a push to get them all finished a couple of months ago. So they can go to the Aboriginal Shire articles now.
  • Navbox Far North Queensland - I think you're right.
  • Towns. Sigh. LGAs are easy, there is a well-known set of them with clearly identified boundaries. Whereas towns are somewhat rubbery. Some things are towns that you might think were suburbs. Some things are towns that you might think are abandoned. Some of the things you might think were towns turn out not to be. Etc. You might want to try to pick some criteria to decide what is in/out of the navbox when it comes to "towns." And don't ask about towns vs cities. That question has never been satisfactorily resolved in various forums. Don't expect to make everyone happy whatever you do when it comes to towns/cities.
  • National parks in navboxes. There are a LOT of national parks (see Protected areas of Queensland) so if you are adding NPs, expect there to be a lot of them! Currently there are a random smatterings of NPs in those navboxes.
  • Most/all? of our LGA maps are based on the 2008 maps drawn after the amalgamations, which is a problem for having maps for 4 LGAs that deamalgamated in 2014 and for the maps for the LGAs from which they were de-amalgamated. Maybe Summerdrought's skills extend to these kinds of maps?! Not sure that explains why Torres is missing (noting that there are the very easily confused Shire of Torres and the Torres Strait Island Region, a lot of people think they are the same, particularly when both get abbreviated to Torres! Kerry (talk) 12:36, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

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@Dennis Bratland: Did you read my edit summary? How is my edit not constructive? Please explain why you believe the Motor Vehicle category should be removed. Downsize43 (talk) 01:35, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
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and Wikipedia:User pages#Categories, templates that add categories, and redirects

Do not put your userpage or subpages, including draft articles, into content categories.

Wikipedia:User pages#Categories, templates that add categories, and redirects suggests adding the leading colon - which is what I have been doing - so that category links are easily visible and clickable in the draft, without adding the page to the category. After the page is moved to article space, it can be easily added to the categories by removing the leading colon. (Obviously, if you prefer, you can disable the categorization with <!-- and --> instead.)

Thank-you, Mitch Ames (talk) 02:02, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

wot a pity[edit]

you in queensland (I assume), me in western oz, and the damned burnie material doesnt even have anything about the burnie railway station - unlikely I'll be there in the short term... but it would help tie up things to do with the emu bay railway... JarrahTree 00:05, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: You have my sympathy, but I have no intention of delving too deeply into railway articles or existing larger town articles. Cheers. Downsize43 (talk) 00:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
very wise, specially if you are dealing with queensland :) JarrahTree 03:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)