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Hi DrChrissy, just wanted to say thanks for your participation at the ref desks! A quick glance here shows you are also very active at improving WP mainspace, so thanks for that too. I keep meaning to do more for articles, but I usually only have the attention span to make minor grammar edits, and deal with higher level stuff as one-offs at the ref desk :) SemanticMantis (talk) 00:19, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks very much for the positive message. Your stuff at the ref desk is always very informative and well written - keep up the good work! I intend to start a shake up of the Cursorial article tomorrow - I might see you there. All the best. DrChrissy (talk) 00:26, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for your edits on the cursorial thread at the ref desk. μηδείς (talk) 01:46, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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No turkey celebration in your neck of the woods?[edit]

Here in the US we welcome every opportunity for a holiday!! If it were left up to our school children, they would transpose the number of school days with the number of holidays. DrChrissy, I sympathize with what you're going through with the waves battering against your shoreline. It's erosive, even against solid rock. Sometimes the behavior I've witnessed at the drama boards reminds me a little of the book, "Cannibalism, Ecology and Evolution Among Diverse Taxa" published by the Oxford University Press. Perhaps it has something to do with the book's description per the NYT "that when animals eat their own species they are not just looking for another meal but also seeking to destroy competitors", [1]. Granted, it's a rather extreme hyperbole, so I will AGF by saying that I can't imagine any editor who doesn't want to edit unencumbered or be shackled by mass confusion. I've also heard that when a storm moves inland, it dissipates so the best thing to do is just batten down the hatches and ride it out. Can you believe the holidays are upon us? Wow. Atsme📞📧 18:25, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

DrChrissy, I just want to add that I can very much empathize with how stressful that AN discussion must be for you, and I want to offer you my sincere hopes that you can be of good cheer nonetheless. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Both. Yes, the ArbCom situation is EXTREMELY stressful - not least because it has been totally unexpected (perhaps naively) on my part. I'm currently being very guarded about my comments about the process because I really fear they may draw unintended attention to others who do not deserve this and my comments may also cause a backlash against me. I think the worst part is the absolute silence and the apparent lack of reading of our comments and questions. It really is...well...(please insert your own words!) But I will post something about my take on the process and findings when the dust has settled. As for Turkeys in my neck of the woods - I live in a rural area (Somerset) where shooting of game birds is a popular pastime for some. I don't eat turkeys (after having worked with them under modern production husbandry systems), so I might try pheasant this Christmas. Hope you have enjoyed your Thanksgiving celebrations. By the way - have you seen that Petrarchan appears to have retired? Very worrying.DrChrissy (talk) 19:12, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
I've seen that, but I had best not comment. I also saw that Guy apologized to SageRad, which is something happier. Let me presume to say some things about the ArbCom case. The way it looks for you, it will likely have two effects. One is that you will not be able to edit about GMO plants or agricultural chemicals, two subject where I suspect you really do not have many interests. (I don't know what will happen at AN, but my gut feeling is that that topic ban will be lifted.) The other is that, in the unlikely event that Jytdog comes back, he will be forced to leave you alone. Interestingly, he will be forbidden to edit about GMO animals such as that salmon, whereas you will be free to edit there, and he won't be able to say anything about your editing there. If you look at it that way, then maybe it's not that bad, although I don't mean by that to minimize the stress of it in any way. And I think that I have already made it abundantly clear that I am less than impressed by the way those in charge have handled the GMO case. As for my Thanksgiving, "I can't believe I ate the whole thing" (a catch-phrase from a long-ago US TV ad for an antacid). Truly, I hope that you are able to remain cheerful and that the near future will allow you to put all the aggravation behind you. Best, --Tryptofish (talk) 19:42, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
I have just realised I misread your first posting. I thought you were talking about the ArbCom process, but you are talking about the AN process. Yes, I am also extremely frustrated about what is going on at AN. One thing I have found out about myself, and this has been with your help, is that when I am being goaded, I struggle to understand where the line is between defending myself and feeding the trolls. It is obvious that I am being goaded over there, but I have always had a strong sense of fairness, and what goes on over there is absolutely not fair. I have seriously considered withdrawing my appeal and walking away from wikipedia, but I will not do that. There is so much support for me over there that I would be letting down those people by withdrawing. I may, however, take a break from editing for a while. I just wish an Admin would step in and close it. The discussion is now not doing anybody any good - it is simply becoming another example of a rather dysfunctional process.DrChrissy (talk) 20:10, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
I've had my own share of me replying many times during dispute resolution and later wishing that I had responded fewer times. It's a no-win situation, and a frustrating one. I, too, have been musing out loud on my user talk page about walking away, but I've been coming to the conclusion that what people here say about me reveals more about them than about me. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes I saw your comments and I followed what went on leading to those with great sympathy for you. I would not have blamed you for walking away and I am very glad you did not. I'm rather lacking in motivation at the moment (for some reason!) but maybe we (and others of course) should try and turn this into a positive and ensure that these processes are looked at. One idea I had was to develop an ethics committee of paid members who are not associated with WP in any other way to look at these dispute processes. Just an idea.DrChrissy (talk) 20:36, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. (And User:Tryptofish/ACE2015.) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:17, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree many threads on Wikipedia are frustrating and unproductive because they are controlled by editors who either do not read and consider arguments opposed to their own position, or who repeatedly project shadow aspects of their own behaviour onto other editors. Responding in a thoughtful manner is a complete waste of time. And because there's no impartial centralised decision body on Wikipedia, there is nothing that can be done about it. There's ArbCom of course, a rather politicized body that often manages to make things worse. I like your idea of an independent paid ethics board DrChrissy, though there remains the issue of how the members of that board would be selected and held to account. --Epipelagic (talk) 21:41, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
And, in what is probably the reason it will not happen, there also remains the issue of getting the community to buy into the idea. Any RfC about adopting it would look like the worst ANI thread imaginable. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Well yes, but you are talking about trying to change the system from within the system itself. That won't happen. But other external interests have a stake in open source information. Wikipedia is currently the world's premier repository of open source information. This information does not belong to Jimbo Wales and the maintenance workers. It was put there, for free, by the content builders. The global push for open source information is not going away, and it is a push that is bigger than Wikipedia. I would think many professional bodies will be looking for better treatment than Wikipedia currently offers their members when they try to contribute definitive open source information. If the Wikipedia administration in unable to to develop some sensitivity and respect towards content development then Wikipedia will lose status. If the janitors remain in control Wikipedia is going to be increasingly bypassed as a serious project. --Epipelagic (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Hmmmm...I think DrChrissy's proposal has merit and might just fit the project if presented properly to the Foundation via the IdeaLab, [2]. What could it hurt if he/we at least presented his idea for consideration? Atsme📞📧 22:16, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


DrChrissy, you found a page that I completely forgot about - User talk:Atsme/Banners. In fact, I created User:Atsme/Banners because I couldn't find the other one! 👀 Now I know where it is and will figure out some way to merge the two. Thank you! Atsme📞📧 16:58, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

I think I found it only by following your links, so you might have a link there that you don't want/did not realise. I particularly liked the "blocks" one!DrChrissy (talk) 17:11, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

A little nonsequitur on Domesticated turkey...[edit]

Hi DrChrissy, I just wanted you to know that I'm not trying to actually remove that passage on the FAWC data. I just can't figure out what it's trying to say. As it stands, it's looks nonsequitur, is unclear, and looks like original analysis. I left (will leave) some details of what I mean on the talk page. DrAlso (talk) 20:58, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi DrChrissy, On the DT talk page I added a detailed analysis of the logic errors, innuendo, etc. in the first paragraph of the "Welfare Concerns" section. Would you like a crack at addressing it? DrAlso (talk) 08:36, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Has been addressed. By the way, it is generally considered very bad manners to ban someone from your talk page and then post to their talk page! Your message above is about article content and should have been posted to the article Talk page, not here.DrChrissy (talk) 19:02, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Anecdotal gar reports[edit]

See the link when you get a chance. It's one of the reasons I was reluctant in using the photo. [3] I'll do some further checking on Commons. Thanks in advance... Atsme📞📧 20:23, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

I had a look yesterday and realised they were the same photos! The link has left me a little confused - are the images photoshopped?DrChrissy (talk) 17:12, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
They're probably legitimate snapshots but the concern is whether or not the ones uploaded to Commons were properly licensed by the actual copyright holder, or if they are unauthorized copies that were farmed off the internet. The images are currently on a sort of watchlist at Commons. Atsme📞📧 20:55, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

It's that time of year....[edit]

Christmas tree worm, (Spirobranchus gigantic)
Time To Spread Some Happy Holiday Cheer!!
I decorated a special kind of Christmas tree in the spirit of the season.

What's especially nice about the digitized version is that it doesn't need water,

and it won't catch fire.
Wishing you a joyous holiday season...
...and a prosperous New Year!! 🍸🎁 🎉

--Atsme📞📧 22:22, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Pure pun-ishment. [4]

Genetically modified organisms case closed[edit]

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1) Standard discretionary sanctions are authorised for all pages relating to genetically modified organisms, agricultural biotechnology, and agricultural chemicals, broadly construed.

2) Editors are prohibited from making more than one revert per page per day on any page relating to genetically modified organisms, agricultural biotechnology, and agricultural chemicals, broadly construed and subject to the usual exemptions.

3) Jytdog and DrChrissy are placed indefinitely under a two-way interaction ban.

7) DrChrissy is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to genetically modified plants and agricultural chemicals, broadly interpreted; appeals of this ban may be requested no earlier than twelve months since the date the case closed.

8) Jytdog is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to genetically modified organisms and agricultural chemicals, broadly interpreted; appeals of this ban may be requested no earlier than twelve months since the date the case closed.

9) Jytdog is admonished for their poor civility in relation to the locus of this case.

11) SageRad is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to genetically modified organisms and agricultural chemicals, broadly construed; appeals of this ban may be requested no earlier than twelve months since the date the case closed.

12) Wuerzele is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to genetically modified organisms and agricultural chemicals, broadly construed; appeals of this ban may be requested no earlier than twelve months since the date the case closed.

For the Arbitration Committee, Miniapolis 20:25, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Genetically modified organisms case closed
I have commented on SageRad's Talk page, and feel the same way towards you. My best wishes, and please don't leave Wikipedia. We need you more than ever. Jusdafax 05:34, 13 December 2015 (UTC)


Sorry to be so blunt - but Dennis made it clear that he wanted a break from all of this. Maybe look somewhere else? — Ched :  ?  01:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

You deleted a polite posting of mine to another user's Talk Page! This is absolutely outrageous! How dare you! And I have just seen you are an Admin...words fail me! DrChrissy (talk) 01:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
...and you have just edited my Talk page again without my permission...DrChrissy (talk) 14:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
I reverted my own comments which were ignored not responded to. I believe that is within policy. — Ched :  ?  14:50, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
@Ched: May I hold out an olive branch to you. Looking at your Talk page, you seem to be a very genuine person, and I accept that you made the deletions to protect another editor. I still think that it is wrong to simply delete another editor's comments on a third party's Talk page, but I very likely over-reacted to your doing that. Regarding my not replying to your postings here, I was following advice (given rather ironically by Trypto) to not reply immediately to posts and to count to 10 before replying. I was still counting - I am a slow counter. So, I am hoping we can both put this episode behind us and move forward to both better the project.DrChrissy (talk) 20:28, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Let me just say that I've known Ched since very close to when I first started editing, and he's a fine guy and a nice person. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:34, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
I was guessing that when you recently posted on your own Talk page. It was that posting which motivated me to calm down and offer the olive branch. I hope he accepts.DrChrissy (talk) 20:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
All good; I accept - and thank you. I really was sorry to be a source of stress during difficult times, and I honestly did not mean to upset you. I thought my repeated apology notes to your page might look like badgering to you, so I thought I'd remove them. Anyway - I do wish you the best. (and ty Trypto for the kind words.) — Ched :  ?  20:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you so much for accepting. All is now well. And I extend our mutual thanks to our Poisson of Rocks - he deserves his tubifex worms today! DrChrissy (talk) 21:03, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) If memory serves, Ched and I first crossed paths at an RfC at Talk:Urination, so DrChrissy, draw whatever conclusions you will. Face-smile.svg --Tryptofish (talk) 21:06, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I keep a jar of freeze-dried tubifex worms for the fishes in my freshwater aquarium. I reconstitute them in a watery garlic extract, and they definitely like them. Saltwater fish, however, not so much. And me, well.... --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


I just went through all of JzG's edits at the Seralini affair page, and there actually is no violation of 1RR, although it came close. Please don't comment on it any further, because that page is part of your topic ban, and any further comment about it is going to get you blocked. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Tryptofish is right; any further "general" discussions about things that happen on pages you're topic banned from discussing will start resulting in blocks. I've closed the WP:AN thread. The same is going to happen if you speak with other editors about these pages in code (i.e. "that editor on that page" is not going to be an adequate defense). There are lots of people who are not topic banned who can address issues on these pages if they come up. I really suggest you remove these pages from your watchlist completely, as there is no benefit to you from seeing what happens on them. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:39, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the explanation. I really thought I was OK to discuss other editor's (potential) breaches of 1RR so long as I did not mention the page or topic I am banned from. It seemed to me to be a question related to another editor's behaviour, unrelated to the protection of that page. It appears I am wrong. Thank you.DrChrissy (talk) 19:46, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Floq is exactly right. I think you get it now, but out of friendly concern, I really want to make absolutely certain that you are clear about it. It's not OK to get involved with conduct disputes within the areas of your topic bans and your interaction ban. Even if there is bad behavior in the ban areas, you cannot utter a word about it, even if you are using crafty language, and even if it is only in user talk space. It applies both to content and to conduct discussions. OK? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:58, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Yup, I understand that now. I honestly did not appreciate that nuance of a topic ban, but I do now. Thanks as usual for the cool-headed mentoring.DrChrissy (talk) 20:04, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
My pleasure, and I really hope that we both can soon get back to peaceful and worry-free editing. Cheers! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:18, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

You might want to strike or remove that comment[edit]

Its likely that the comment on JzG's section violates the GMO topic ban you are under. You might want to strike/remove it. AlbinoFerret 18:42, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

That's correct. An Arb just said so, very explicitly. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:49, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Done. Better to play safe. I have not seen the Arb's comment yet. DrChrissy (talk) 18:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Good, I'm glad, that was a close one. It's at the noticeboard talk page, where the Arb responded to Sage below your question. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
As a rule I would avoid commenting on noticeboards on the topic if I were in your shoes. There is an exemption in your case as pertains to animals. But odds are that any noticeboard section will involve more than that. AlbinoFerret 18:57, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks both of you.DrChrissy (talk) 19:02, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

And you definitely want to strike this [5]. That in no way, shape or form falls under the exemptions in BANEX. You're not asking for clarification or appealing the ban in the proper venue. Capeo (talk) 16:28, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

WP:AE notification[edit]

I have opened a section on you at WP:AE regarding your recent violation of your topic ban. Please comment there. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:22, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

DrChrissy, the above AE request has been closed with a warning to you. Your post to User talk:SlimVirgin was not one of the exemptions to your topic ban permitted by WP:BANEX. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:01, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your handling of this. I note the warning and apologise to the community for breaching my exemptions.DrChrissy (talk) 17:27, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings[edit]

Seasons Greetings!
I've been hearing from the elves that you've been a little worried about how Santa's list is looking for you. They say he's almost done with his second check, and so far it looks like you've hardly been naughty at all! Thanks for the good work you do; you have brought joy into my work here.

I wish you and your family Seasons Greetings and a very Happy New Year Gandydancer (talk) 18:31, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings[edit]

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Wishing you a Charlie Brown
Charlie Russell Christmas! 🎄
Best wishes for your Christmas
Is all you get from me
'Cause I ain't no Santa Claus
Don't own no Christmas tree.
But if wishes was health and money
I'd fill your buck-skin poke
Your doctor would go hungry
An' you never would be broke."
—C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1914.

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ARCA request archived[edit]

Just a note to let you know that your recent ARCA request has been archived.
For the Arbitration Committee, Mdann52 (talk) 17:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Request to Jimbo Wales[edit]

Jimbo, I have posted below my appeal for a request to ArbCom to amend a decision of theirs. This has now been archived. As I indicated on your talk page, I believe this is a matter of principle in the way that Wikipedia operates, rather than just a single decision abut a single editor's behaviour. I have been topic banned from an area in which I have never edited. Despite my asking for evidence of such editing, none has been produced by any user or arbitrator. I feel it is a very dangerous precedent for ArbCom to ban editors from places they have not even edited, let alone disrupted.

Original email to ArbCom
I would like to request an amendment to my recently imposed topic ban.[6] I am requesting the amendment deletes the inclusion of "genetically modified plants and". I am requesting this amendment because there is a total absence of evidence that I have been disruptive in this topic area. I respectfully quote the WP:banning policy as "The purpose of a topic ban is to forbid an editor from making edits related to a certain topic area where their contributions have been disruptive, but to allow them to edit the rest of Wikipedia." (my highlighting). Below, I provide evidence that I have not been disruptive in this topic area, in fact, I have not made a single content edit about GM-plants in my history of editing WP.
I have reviewed all the submissions relating to myself presented during the evidence phase of the GMO case. There was not a single diff provided by any party which related to me editing or discussing GM-plants.
I have also reviewed all my edits for the year of 2015. This review showed that I have not made a single edit of article content relating to GM-plants. In the last 12 months, I have edited only two articles about GMOs which contain sections on GM-plants, i.e. Genetically modified food and Genetically modified organism.
I made a handful of edits (6) on the Genetically modified food article ([7]

[8] [9] [10] [11] [12]) but these were all unrelated to GM-plants.

I made 13 edits to Genetically modified organism. The vast majority of these related to animals and were often simple editorial changes such as typos, links, redundant words. I made one edit potentially tangentially related to GM-plants - I reformatted a reference title to be lowercase rather than uppercase.[13] I reverted only a single edit here[14] and although my revert was itself reverted, I did not engage in any behaviour that might be considered disruptive.
Prior to the GMO case, I was heavily involved in editing Glyphosate and I accept the ArbCom's decision to topic ban me from the area of agricultural chemicals as a remedy. However, I think there has been an inadvertent "topic-creep" which has led to the unnecessary inclusion of GM-plants in my ban. I have not been disruptive in the slightest in the topic area of GM-plants. My overall concern here is that some editors believe that because my topic ban includes plants, general GMO articles such as Genetically modified organism are included in my ban. I would be very grateful for a clarification by ArbCom that if this amendment is approved, my topic ban does not include these general GMO articles.
I respectfully await your decision on my request for an amendment.
All other editors please note, this thread is only for Jimmy Wales to comment - all other postings are highly likely to be deleted without comment by myself.
DrChrissy (talk) 18:17, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Just FYI, I do not agree with the decision either but editing the article for Genetically modified fish after the decision was made restricting you from the topic probably isn't going to help your cause. Also, going to Jimbo won't help either because he has never and will never override an Arbcom sanction. As much as I too wish he would on occasion do so, its not going to happen and his name really should be removed from the policy saying he has the authority to do it. Arbcom can pretty much do anything they want and there is no appealing it, changing it or revoking it without a significant amount of work, time and luck. Good luck all the same. Maj Turmoil (talk) 20:32, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Actually, Maj, the topic ban was intentionally crafted so that writing about GM animals is OK, so there is nothing wrong with DrC working on that page. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:50, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Trypto - I was just writing a reply saying the same. I think Maj has perhaps understandably fallen into the trap of reading and believing the lies my detractors are repeatedly posting.DrChrissy (talk) 20:55, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Ah good to know thanks, I apologize. I hadn't read the whole thing through and didn't catch that. I simply assumed organism included animals. Maj Turmoil (talk) 21:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
The arbcom's DS and 1RR apply to "organisms". My topic ban applies to "genetically modified plants". Could I suggest in the friendliest of ways that you strike your misunderstanding on both this page and on my Talk page. This shows to the community that you have understood a mistake was made. Best wishes.DrChrissy (talk) 21:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Clarificaiton request filed.[edit]

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Clarification_request:_Genetically_modified_organisms_2. Guy (Help!) 00:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year, DrChrissy![edit]

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.


Some very good comments here and here. SageRad (talk) 19:51, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

It's only right...[edit] let you know about the comment I left on the talk page of Emotion in animals. Best Regards,   Bfpage |leave a message  01:13, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know.DrChrissy (talk) 19:51, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016[edit]

To enforce an arbitration decision and for vexatious filing of a baseless AE complaint against an editor you are i-banned from interacting with, you have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions.

If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. Your reason here OR place the reason below this template. ~~~~}}. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. Floquenbeam (talk) 20:48, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Broadening of topic bans[edit]

@SageRad: I agree entirely with you regarding the broadening of topic bans. I too have just had my topic ban considerably This has been without any evidence provided at any stage of the case and its fall-out that my editing was problematic in this broadened area. How can this process of substantially extending topic bans simply ignore the process which which has been set up to be fair and to be seen to be fair (although this is arguable in itself). There are also 2 other aspects to consider. One is the change in Arbcom members during these topic ban broadenings. This is like changing the judges halfway through a case - surely in such a complex case a re-trial would be expected. The second aspect is a psychological one. New members of ArbCom are extremely unlikely in their first dealing to argue or vote against a previous ArbCom finding. Moreover, they would be very keen to prove themselves as being very decisive and keen to comment/vote - this can be seen in some of the comments put next to votes (a practice I believe is totally unnecessary and very often inflammatory.

There is something very, very deeply wrong at ArbCom.DrChrissy (talk) 12:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
DrChrissy, the whole thing of topic bans bothers me in principle. If an editor shows bad behavior in general, then how about banning the editor altogether? Otherwise let them be. I think that bad behavior needs to be addressed when it first happens and treated as a learning opportunity. Blocks for a few days are great to let an editor cool down and re-focus on how to approach a question better. But to let problems build up over months, and then to ban editors from a topic for a year minimum -- it's essentially a recipe for Inquisitions. It's a recipe for political purging. I've used the phrase McCarthyism several times for very good reason. The whole thing stinks like an ideological purging, and the whole basis is frankly, bullshit. Every editor in the whole topic area of agrochemicals and GMOs has made a few mistakes in judgment. Every editor has contributed good thoughts and edits, as well.
Anyway, on topic, yes of course, to expand the scope of a topic ban after the whole process is clearly wrong. It's no longer "clarification" but rather domain creep. So if i cannot edit about any chemical made by any company that makes even a single thing used in agriculture, then i wouldn't be able to edit about PTFE (teflon) or its related additives, or polystyrene (Styrofoam), or many many other chemicals that are present in the world. How is that ok? It would be a ridiculous limitation. It's not my fault that a single company makes many products. If people want to expand the scope of a topic ban, then they need to go through the same process that led to the original topic ban, with the new topic ban stated. This is not about clarification, but rather about expansion of the "win" by a group of people with a particular point of view. SageRad (talk) 12:47, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
And if the user has the temerity to try and use enforcement - slap them with a one-week block so that everyone is running round scared shitless to actually indicate when other users are actually breaking their bans/DS.DrChrissy (talk) 12:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
@SageRad: for some reason I have found myself with a little extra time on my hands today so I thought I would try and get a broader perspective on people's opinions of Wikipedia and its process. I found this site wikipediocracy. It has some very interesting articles on there such as this and this. It also has some very humorous articles. If you have not been there before, I hope you enjoy it and find it enlightening.DrChrissy (talk) 19:02, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
  • DrChrissy, I think I have been on your side in various disputes in the past, so maybe you'll listen to a word or two from me. That latest block, that's not an ArbCom block--AE really is not an ArbCom venue. The interaction ban (I had no involvement in that case, as you know), I have no opinion on its merit, but it was imposed and you just have to live with it: your AE request clearly went past the boundaries set for such bans. Your fellow editor SageRad here is wrong on more than one count and is not giving good advice--if we (and that includes you--editors in general) ban everyone who is disruptive in one particular area, there would be hell to pay. Also, "cooling down" blocks don't work and are specifically discouraged, in part, I think, because they're patronizing.

    But I really just wanted to say one thing, having been familiar with you for a few years now: please stop digging. You're in a hole, stop digging. There is a way out of the hole, but this is not it. You can blame ArbCom all you want, but ArbCom does its work based on what evidence is presented. Getting in good graces with ArbCom is not really where it's at since ArbCom also responds to what the community has to say: it's community members you have to win for your case. You won't win Jytdog, it seems to me, but that latest AE case easily sways a more neutral observer away from your case. All the best, Drmies (talk) 02:44, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

@User:Drmies, thank you for your comments.DrChrissy (talk) 15:00, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Genetically modified organisms case modified[edit]

DrChrissy's topic ban which currently states that "DrChrissy is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to genetically modified plants and agricultural chemicals, broadly interpreted; appeals of this ban may be requested no earlier than twelve months since the date the case closed" is replaced with "DrChrissy is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to genetically modified organisms, commercially produced agricultural chemicals, and the companies that produce them, broadly interpreted; appeals of this ban may be requested no earlier than twelve months since the date the case closed."

For the Arbitration Committee Amortias (T)(C) 23:05, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Genetically modified organisms case modified

@I am One of Many: Thank you for your comment here.[16] It is always nice to receive compliments for the quality of one's content editing. Much appreciated.DrChrissy (talk) 15:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


@SageRad: Hi Sage, you might be interested in this thread[17] which started today. All the best. DrChrissy (talk) 15:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

....and the thread was closed within 4 hrs - I think this speaks volumes!DrChrissy (talk) 16:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Could you elaborate on how it speaks volumes? Note that discussion has continued on Biscuittin's talk page. He is not being ignored or stonewalled, it's just that no one believes his complaint has merit. A general discussion on how bullying should be dealt with is of course fair game, but Biscuittin went about it in completely the wrong way and I don't believe that is actually what he is trying to achieve.--Atlan (talk) 11:39, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
My message was intended as a one-to-one with SageRad and I don't think they need any further elaboration.DrChrissy (talk) 16:32, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Alright, fair enough. I was just curious.--Atlan (talk) 23:58, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hair whorls[edit]

Thanks for your edit on the noticeboard. I've been farming most of my life, and I've discovered that while some of the old wives' tales are nonsense, some are true. I don't know if there are any actual scientific studies on hair whorls, but I always heard that the location of the whorl on the head had to do with the formation of the animal's brain. (And where I live, the superstition is that a whorl in the middle of the forehead means a good horse, a whorl above the eyes means a high-strung horse, and a whorl far down on the face means a stupid one.) But temperaments have been selectively bred for, as anybody who's ever had animals knows (Great Pyrenees can be trusted with baby animals because they have been bred for guard work--Thoroughbreds are high-strung because they are bred to have a great drive to run, etc.) Some of it you have to learn through experience and can't get from reading stuff on the internet. And some theories sound good in print but do not work in reality. White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 23:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Hoping you are well[edit]

I'm unsure whether my posting here might be unwelcome, but I hope that it's OK. I just saw what you said at another page about your problems with diabetes and the risk that you might have to have amputations, and very truly, my heart went out to you. I feel very sad that you are going through such difficulties, and I hope that you will have a good recovery. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Trypto. Thanks for your obviously sincere and genuine concern. Diabetes is a terrible disease for many reasons. I would tell you more, however, I believe there are others out there who might actually use that against me as a violation of my topic ban. Yes, I actually believe that - what a sad state of affairs. Thanks again for your concern.DrChrissy (talk) 16:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


People don't often express appreciation for being prompted to re-read something. Having seen more of your comments, I believe you were being absolutely sincere. I'm both embarrassed and relieved to learn my interpretation was not correct, and I sincerely apologize for my misunderstanding. Burninthruthesky (talk) 21:14, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

@Burninthruthesky: Your apology is accepted - thank you.DrChrissy (talk) 16:37, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Intelligent Design[edit]

Your comment at RSN raised an interesting point: a search in The Blind Watchmaker brings up no examples of "intelligent design", but from my own copy Dawkins in his preface refers to "complex design", one of many terms for the teleological argument, on pages 4–6 he discusses William Paley's Natural Theology version of that argument.
Our intelligent design article briefly mentions theological predecessors of the term, and in a footnote gives example of 19th century use of the phrase when discussing God's works and "intelligent direction".
On the first amendment's influence, Timeline of intelligent design outlines the series of court cases which led to "scientific creationism" being rebranded as creation science. After teaching that in public school science classrooms was ruled unconstitutional by Edwards v. Aguillard, the term intelligent design was substituted, with the claim that this was a NASA phrase being used for a new science. Hope you find these clarifications helpful. . . dave souza, talk 10:03, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Dave, thanks for the clarifications. Much appreciated.DrChrissy (talk) 16:39, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert[edit]

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Re: "I think we are now all warned"; no, that doesn't count, but now you're warned. Bishonen | talk 19:44, 29 January 2016 (UTC).

@Bishonen: Oh. I must say I am rather surprised to receive this template individually. Am I editing in a way that violates or is danger of violating DS?DrChrissy (talk) 20:05, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
As you can see, it doesn't imply any misconduct regarding your own contributions to date. But the reason I posted it to you in particular was my concern about your tone in the ANI discussion. I make no pretense of following the Parapsychology talkpage, but catching sight of the exchange on ANI, I was in fact concerned about some frivolous and unhelpful, even evasive, posts: [18][19][20][21]. Also this: how are the other users supposed to know of your foot problems? Have you informed them about your health issues? Do you really think the person who said "out for a stroll", and the person who supported his remark, were personally attacking you? I see that you (sort of) withdrew your complaint when you were challenged about it, but saying it at all was ridiculous, however much I sympathize with your medical issues (I have diabetes too). Please don't throw around personal attack accusations frivolously. And I have to agree with BMK that this is playing silly games. Etc. Since you ask.
I rather expect you to come back with a "what about them?" argument, and with some justification too; please feel free to post the same DS alert on other people in the discussion. You simply post this template {{subst:alert|ps}} and sign it. (First check the page history to see they haven't already received it in the past year.) Bishonen | talk 21:48, 29 January 2016 (UTC).
Well "what about them?" is the obvious question, however, I will ask this only rhetorically. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate to post the template to the noticeboard in question for all editors, but of course where you post is your business.DrChrissy (talk) 22:06, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Not really my business, no. This is a very bureaucratic part of Wikipedia; where I post is the business of the rule that says it's a user talkpage template; it may only be posted on individual user talkpages. If it is, it has the effect of making the user undeniably aware, and then they can be sanctioned per DS if necessary. If I were to post it on a noticeboard, nobody can be shown to have read it, and nobody can be sanctioned per DS. That's how it works. Arbcom's rules. Note that anybody can post the template, it doesn't have to be an admin. Bishonen | talk 23:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC).
Oh right. Thanks for the clarification.DrChrissy (talk) 23:56, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Veganism edits[edit]

I saw that you had reverted my last edit of the above page, also saying i had deleted a load of posts on the talk page. I was glad to hear the last point, because I didn't think I had - I was editing only the article itself. I ddi delete some code which might have had that effect on the talk page. If so, I regret that as I believe previous discussions on talk pages should only ever be edited by the person who made them, or with their permission. Perhaps you can tell me or point me to info which will prevent me doing this again? As a separate issue I think my reversion to exclude commodity status was correct, as the extensive discussion is going round in circles with no end in sight. This to me shows it is a dubious phrase to use in this context. Any comments welcome, thanks in advance. TonyClarke (talk) 11:28, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Tony, I have commented and apologised at the Veganism Talk page - sorry for any inconvenience.DrChrissy (talk) 15:14, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Bile bear[edit]

Hi there,

Leaving this message for you as I think this is something in your wheelhouse. I stumbled across the article for bile bear tonight and was unpleasantly surprised to find that, first off and most glaringly, the lead mentions nothing at all about animal welfare, [lack of] medicinal efficacy, and other sub-topics that would, I imagine, constitute a good portion of decent sources. It also had several odd bits of fluff (for example, the section ostensibly on farmed bear statistics started with an unsourced paragraph about an initiative to release some bears) and a whole lot of unsourced or poorly sourced content. I removed some things and tagged it, but it's late and I don't see myself having time to do any serious review of this in the near future. My hope is that it's something you may want to take a look at. I may also post to WikiProject Animal Welfare, although I don't know how active that WikiProject is...

Thanks. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks very much for this - I will take a look.DrChrissy (talk) 19:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Your comment ...[edit]

welcome on Talk:Chicken#Claim_of_holocene_domestication_... Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


If you want to revert back you will need to undo another edit. You just removed my notice that I fixed the table. To revert the table back you will need to undo this edit. -- GB fan 19:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi GB fan. Thanks very much for this. Extremely helpful.DrChrissy (talk) 19:16, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

RE: Closure of AN/I Discussion[edit]

The consensus is that you don't have a leg to stand on. If you actually took the time to read what folks have been telling you, you'd see that you have little to no chance of getting what you want, and the longer it dragged on, the more likely you would have received a block. I did you a favor. Now don't bother me about this again. Drop the stick. --Tarage (talk) 21:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Noted.DrChrissy (talk) 22:15, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
@Tarage: Please could you confirm that you have banned me from your talk page - I have never seen it expressed as an edit summary before.DrChrissy (talk) 01:18, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Do not ping me again. --Tarage (talk) 02:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)