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You might also be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life, where a lot of the general guidelines on classification were decided (paleontology didn't have any significant representation). 03:53, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Good work on Ampelosaurus. Aggressive editing indeed, but you seem to have arrived at a good result. Have you checked out the dinosaur wikiproject? Link on my user page if you're interested. Soo 17:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I do hope so. The aggressiveness of the editing may be explained by my m.o.: I prepare my article stubs at home by pouring over the pertinent scientific articles and then single out the main points. That's why my contributions tend to be very formulaic. So when I found you've beaten me to it I may've gotten a bit aggravated since I had prepared the article before Christmas.
Actually if you look closely at the participant list, you'll notice I've already added myself to it besides adding a host of new genera to the missing list. Good enough? Dracontes 18:09, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Good enough :). You can just indicate on here if you want to reserve a page, so we don't clash. That's probably the easiest way to avoid stepping on each others toes. By the way, it's easier if you reply on my talk page rather than your own, as then I get told about it. Ta! Soo 20:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I guess stubborness comes with the package as I'd rather keep a discussion in one place ;-) Anyway, I'll go over my files and make a list of the genera for which I have the original description papers, though I'll only reserve those that I've prepared a stub for. But don't worry too much about stepping on each others' toes. That, I think, is run-of-the-mill here. Dracontes 09:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
You guys have both been doing great work. Is there a page like the one for missing dinosaurs that's just a list of all genera (maybe a "completed" page)? Also, many of the new pages have been using class Archosauria. Check out List of dinosaur classifications for the current standardized ranking system. There's still some discussion on my talk page over whether to use Reptilia or Sauropsida, but Archosauria has been pretty much ruled out.Dinoguy2 21:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks on my part, Matt :-) You can find that list at List of dinosaurs. I've taken the stance of minding reviews once the missing list at least has been cleared, so I'm just copy/pasting the taxoboxes I find for relatives of the genera I create stubs for and leaving it at that. Dracontes 09:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

The taxobox disclaimer[edit]

Before anyone starts fretting about it let me just state that it's an attempt at humour pilfered from Dinoguy2 and completed using Mikko Haaramo's Phylogeny archive and Wikipedia's pertinent entries. Hopefully it will make people think before going gung-ho over ranking every taxon. As the extension of the taxobox will certainly develop in me a feeling of chagrin it will be one more reason for me to fill up the contributions section. Dracontes 12:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


I checked out your artwork on the Dinosauricon and may I say, it's really excellent. One thing taht Wikipedia lacks as a whole (and especially on the dinosaur articles) is pictures, as they are so hard to obtain under a free license. Have you considered releasing some of your articles under the GFDL or similar? That way we could put them on Wikipedia Commons and significantly enhance the dinosaur articles on several different-language Wikipedias all at once. That would be really awesome, so it would be great if you would contemplate it. Soo 17:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic! Can't wait to see what you come up with. Soo 16:41, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

update for you[edit]

I ran across your user page while cleaning up links following a merger/re-write.

  • body cavity
    • was coelom, pseudocoel, accoelomate (and a bunch of variations of those words)

I just wanted to let you know, because I'm wary of editing people's user pages. --TheLimbicOne(talk) 04:01, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

My Attempt:[edit]

Since Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs is becoming a bit dormant of late, I've decided to get it reactivated. I've started putting the following templates all over the show, & I'd appreciate if someone would try putting them on too. Remember, they only go on Dinosaur orientated artcle's TALK pages. Not the articles themselves.

WikiProject Dinosaurs (Rated NA-class)
WikiProject icon This page is within the scope of WikiProject Dinosaurs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of dinosaurs and dinosaur-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
 NA  This page does not require a rating on the project's quality scale.

So, finally, while I work on the project with a designer, in order to get more people, thus more pages, I would appreciate if you didn't move or shift (or stuff up for that matter) any of the work I'll be doing, like adding templates, protocols to the project page, etc etc. I'm hoping to get it up to the standard of The military history project. So, tell your friends to join up, or spam unknowing people & continue to do great articles. I no time, we'll have an awesome, professional project page! Spawn Man 03:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

New improvement[edit]

As per step three (on the dinosaur project talk page), I promised to ask a general consensus about any new improvements made. So, I'd like everyone to give comments on the new talk page banner:

WikiProject Dinosaurs (Rated NA-class)
WikiProject icon This page is within the scope of WikiProject Dinosaurs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of dinosaurs and dinosaur-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
 NA  This page does not require a rating on the project's quality scale.

What does everyone think of it? It's meant to be placed on the talk page of dinosaur related articles, so everytime you edit an article, placing this there would make our job easier. So a few questions I'd like everyone to answer:

1)Does everyone like the picture? 2)Is the wording adequate? 3)Any other queries/problems?

I'll let you know when a new improvement arises... Spawn Man 00:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

New improvement 2[edit]

As per step three (on the dinosaur project talk page), I promised to ask a general consensus about any new improvements made. So, I'd like everyone to give comments on the new talk page banner:

Dinoproject-icon2.png This user is a part of WikiProject Dinosaurs, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of dinosaurs. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.

What does everyone think of it? It's meant to be placed on the user talk page or user page of members of the Dinosaur wikiproject, so placing this there would make our job easier. So a few questions I'd like everyone to answer:

1)Does everyone like the picture? 2)Is the wording adequate? 3)Any other queries/problems?

I'll let you know when a new improvement arises... Spawn Man 00:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC).

New improvement 3[edit]

As per step three, I'm informing you that... A new userbox has been created!! Please give comments and feedback (not including the picture, which may be due to change).

Dinoproject-icon2.png This user is a member of WikiProject Dinosaurs.

I will inform on arrival of more improvements. Spawn Man 19:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

New Task bar[edit]

I've successfully created an open list of tasks on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs main page for those who would actually like to know what to do with their time on the project. Add tasks as you wish, no too long though! Add your name to tasks you wish to be part of & that's as complicated as it gets... Thanks, Spawn Man 23:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Dinosaurs[edit]

Hi Dracontes!

There's currently less than 100 dinosaurs left on the Missing dinosaur page. We've come a long way! I was thinking that since there's just under 100 dinosaurs left, and since there are 25 of us signed on for the project, if we each wrote about four articles, we'd be done! Well, not "done", obviously, as many of the articles are in need of expansion. But then we could focus on expansion and other things.

You could take, say, Lourinhasaurus, Lucianosaurus, Lukousaurus, and Lycorhinus.

It's just an idea, of course, and you're of course not obligated and can do whatever you like; I just figured I'd mention the idea, and see if you were interested. No harm, right?

Take care, --Firsfron 06:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

No harm at all! ;-) I had time to kill and I went to my web references and just typed away. Dracontes 17:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


This has been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trigonosaurus. Please go and vote for it to be kept. I'm sure it's a real dinosaur, for the reasons I've explained there. Do you know more about it such as whether it's a sauropod or theropod? The Dutch WP says sauropod, but the new article here says theropod. Thanks. RupertMillard (Talk) 16:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


I'm not bothered. I certainly understand the value of being precise with proper designations. I made a small modification so that the alternate is there for people whose eyes glaze over when scientific names are mentioned (even mine do on occasions). Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC)



Olá Dracontes,

Eu reparei que está contribuir em artigos relacionados com a lusofonia e gostaria de convidá-lo para participar na Wikipédia em português, actualmente temos mais de 135 mil artigos. Sua ajuda será muito bem vinda.

Se por acaso tiver algum problema ou dúvida deixe uma mensagem na minha página de discussão.

Continue com esse bom trabalho,

Rei-artur 22:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Nice catch[edit]

Nice to see you're keeping tabs on new dinosaurs, Dracontes! Some of the recent additions aren't even in Google, yet, so it's likely, as we already saw with Trigonosaurus and others (such as on the list of dinosaurs), that they may get deleted by folks who are searching google. I've got to say I'm impressed, though, that you're quicker than the google-bots! Keep up the great work! :) --Firsfron 20:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Unlike those bots, I know where and what to look for :-D Besides I don't want Dinoguy2 to get all the credit :-P Dracontes 08:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

DinoProject proposals[edit]

Hello Dracontes,

I was just wondering if you had been by the Project talk page lately and seen some of the proposals I threw out there at the bottom of the page. I would love to get your comments as a long-time member (longer than me) before anything happens.

1) New Project page... most of the text is the same or similar, but I think it looks a little snazzier and better organized. Feel free to comment on everything from color scheme to its existence in the first place! Link: User:Sheep81/WPDinopage

2) Featured Dinosaur Initiative... there have been several attempts to get something going in order to regularly get dino articles featured. This is the latest iteration of that. Again, feel free to make any comments you like. This plan does not necessarily have to come to fruition. Link: User:Sheep81/FeaturedDinoInitiative

Thanks for your consideration! Sheep81 23:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Dinosaur short articles[edit]

Saw your update on the short articles page. HUGE thanks! :) --Firsfron of Ronchester 15:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Dinosaur text sources[edit]

Hello, I was just looking over Suuwassea, and noticed that the text had an unusual, somewhat bookish style. Did you write it yourself, or did you import it from some other source? If the latter, could you identify the source? Thanks. --Improv 17:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


Actually the vernacular name of any family level taxon is not regulated by the ICZN and as such there is no official way of changing the name ending. Any vernacular name ending -IN could refer to a subfamily, tribe or subtribe though in many papers people use it as denoting a tribe, but it is also used as denoting a subfamily. One of the interesting matters in this problem is no-one has (to my knowledge) proposed a vernacular name for a subtribe. The website you refered to in your post has no "legal" status on this matter i'm afraid, and although it would help to harmonise the community into using a common vernacularisation, until the ICZN in the fifth addition formalises this the problem will persist. Mark t young 16:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Richard Arkwright[edit]

Dear Dracontes

What does you addition Hr gav mean on the Richard Arkwright page?

Yours Faithfully Martin Cordon Martin Cordon 17:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear Dracontes

I apologise for my misunderstanding. Removing the offending item was my intent. Thank you for That.

Yours Faithfully Martin Cordon Martin Cordon 11:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


Hi Dracontes!

I'm planning to send Stegosaurus to Featured Article candidacy. The article failed its first nomination, but user:Casliber and I have been hard at work fixing stuff. As you're listed as a member of Wikipedia: WikiProject Dinosaurs, I figured I'd drop you a line and see if there was anything you thought should be added/removed/cited on the article before it is sent to FAC. We definitely want it to pass! :)

(Feel free to make any edits on the article itself, comment on the talk page, or leave a note on my talk page). Thanks for your time, Firsfron of Ronchester 19:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


Oops - my bad. Thx for clearing that up. What about if we change it to say "...two pairs of fangs with superficial ridges." so it's clearer for lay people? Also, are they really "fangs" (large pointed teeth) or just teeth? Thanks. Secret Squïrrel, approx 10:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


I saw your changes to this article, which I have no problem with. I just wondered about the list of species in the taxobox where you have changed the <br> format I normally use to a bullet list. Is this an MOS thing, or just personal preference? jimfbleak 11:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

This is the culprit: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Dinosaurs#Taxobox_question scroll down a bit for a new take at using the Taxobox template. Besides it wont become confusing if someone decides to find the citation for each of the species, which I probably will given time ;-) Dracontes 12:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for the author catch on Diceratus[edit]

Thanks for the fix! I must have merged him with Oliver Rauhut in my mind. J. Spencer (talk) 14:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

List of characters in Magic: The Gathering: Y[edit]

Do you want List of characters in Magic: The Gathering: Y restored? I hold no ill will. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 19:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

OK. All yours. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 16:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: add ing images of list of plesiosaurs[edit]

Looking back at the list, i agree with what you've said. some of the images ( such as Pliosaurus) are in desperate need of re-sizing. i'll also start looking at moving/getting-rid-of some images to make things line up again.Ryan shell (talk) 19:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


I'm sending this to all the wikiproject:mammals participants. There's a naming guideline up for discussion on the talk page, and the more people get involved the more valid any consensus drawn. Ironholds 19:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I, Dinobird[edit]

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Beast Quest[edit]

You asked about the book list. You can see the published books at or in the books themselves. Perhaps the other list was pre-publication and someone was guessing possible future titles?--Dan.M.McLaughlin (talk) 22:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

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Science lovers wanted![edit]

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List formatting[edit]

Huh? Abyssal (talk) 15:52, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, you mean where a lot of the information isn't filled in? I stopped manually adding information because I was collaborating with another user on a possible bot that would do it automatically. Abyssal (talk) 15:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
The table proposal was rejected from the dinosaur list because it was too long and the major changes would cause it to lose its featured status, none of which apply to the shorter non-featured lists. So, I'd just keep going with the table version since no one has voiced any complaints about those specific articles. Abyssal (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
It seems wanting to undo the table was your intention from the beginning. I wish you had been more forthright. If you had an argument against that style, you should have just said so. Anyway, you don't have my blessing for erasing the tables, but if you really want to I'm not going to push the issue. Do as you see fit. Abyssal (talk) 03:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Academic Journals Database[edit]

Thank you for the additional information on Academic Journals Database. These are all in foreign languages I can only speak English and Arabic. Is there a way that you can source these into the actual article? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --Morning277 (talk) 18:31, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


Some nice work on that. Thanks for your input. I'm trying to make it sound more legible and less of a "fundementalists guide" to abstract concepts. Keep it up. Thanks SH 11:09, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


Could you keep an eye on this editor. He has a history of WP:Disruptive behaviour and lacks WP:Competence. He uses hit and run tactics to block evade. Thanks SH 14:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


Hallo, Dracontes! First of all my congratulations with your gorgeous new article Arcovenator! Regarding it, I have a request to make. Due to the Christmas holidays, I will only have institutional access to the publication in the second week of January at the earliest. Could you indulge my curiosity as to the formal number of the holotype? (and perhaps of the referred specimens as well). Also, I wonder what the formal diagnosis was. Were any autapomorphies determined, or perhaps a unique combination of traits?

Kind regards, --MWAK (talk) 08:05, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Much obliged for the compliments :) To be honest, I'd rather send you the paper instead, no matter how much the publisher grumbles. My email shouldn't be too difficult to find among my userboxes. Send me something with a pertinent subject and I'll reply suitably. --Dracontes (talk) 08:18, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, to be quite honest myself, I secretly hoped that you would add the holotype number and the diagnosis to your article, bringing it to even greater perfection — and allowing me to quickly update my own article at the Dutch Wikipedia ;o).--MWAK (talk) 08:39, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'll do that in a bit... A day or so. Busy elsewhere now :-P --Dracontes (talk) 08:44, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
While expanding the description I questioned the importance of it all: I had a nice sequential description thing going on and having to reorganize things so what the authors deemed as important stands out seemed to be the less agreeable option. So I peppered some adjectives throughout which I hope will suffice. --Dracontes (talk) 00:42, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
That was an elegant solution. Many thanks for your efforts!--MWAK (talk) 08:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Re - age range. This is a pretty big problem with the way the range template works and should probably be fixed. The range is meant to display actual fossil range, not error bars for a taxon known for one specimen. Writing 72-76 may implies it existed for this span of time. The fix I and others have been using is to use the earliest/latest parameter to show a ghosted error bar, but you also need to enter an actual date, so I just added the median. It would be good if there were some way to have it display something along the lines of "some time between x and y". MMartyniuk (talk) 18:17, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Inappropriate "Tertiary" change[edit]

Your mass edits switching "Tertiary" to "Cenozoic" changed a direct quotation at Puget Sound faults — that is unacceptable, and I have reverted it. I wonder how many other inappropriate changes you have made.

I wonder about the advisability of your one-man crusade, which appears to be undiscussed. At the least you should provide some explanation, including citations to competent authority that "Tertiary" is deprecated. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:34, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree. The term "Tertiary" is still used even though the Tertiary article says it is officially deprecated. I am against any further switching from "Tertiary" to "Cenozoic". Volcanoguy 21:59, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
J. Johnson (JJ): First, while I admit I made a mistake in changing that reference, and can only allege some tiredness in that regard, because otherwise I would avoid doing it, I don't entirely see why an honest error would be unacceptable. Change the reference back. Go over your sources and ascertain a smaller time span to or use the pair Paleogene and Neogene.
This was indeed discussed elsewhere. I provided an explanation in linking to the article on the Tertiary... which I now notice has the link to the ICS' International Chronostratigraphic Table dead (fixed, and added some refs while at it) which is pretty much the competent authority in these matters. Allow me a few choice quotes from those references:

The Cenozoic is divided into Paleogene and Neogene Periods. We refrain from using the informal terms Tertiary and Quaternary, remnants of a classification that included Primary and Secondary (e.g. by Arduino, 1760b; see also second color plate), but their origins and history are well described in Harland et al. (1990) and Berggren (1998).

— Ogg, James G.; Gradstein, F. M; Gradstein, Felix M. (2004). "1: Chronostratigraphy: linking time and rock". A geologic time scale 2004. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press. p. 45. ISBN 0-521-78142-6. 

The widely used ‘Tertiary’ has no official rank. The status of the Quaternary is not decided; its base may be assigned as the base of Gelasian.

— Gradstein, Felix M.; James G.Ogg and Martin van Kranendonk. "On the Geologic Time Scale 2008" (PDF). International Commission on Stratigraphy. p. 5. Retrieved 18 December 2013.  Cite uses deprecated parameter |coauthors= (help)

The term Tertiary (Arduino, 1759) has been traditionally used to indicate the time interval between the Mesozoic and the Quaternary and therefore comprises the Paleogene and the Neogene. The use of the term Tertiary is discouraged, since the term is equally as antiquated as Primary and Secondary, and the latter have fallen into disuse in the 20th century. However, the term Tertiary still has widespread use, in particular since the ratification of the term Quaternary as a period (Head et al., 2008).

— Felix M. Gradstein, James G. Ogg, Mark D. Schmitz and Gabi M. Ogg, ed. (2012). "28: The Paleogene Period". The geologic time scale 2012 (1st ed. ed.). Amsterdam: Elsevier. p. 856. ISBN 978-0-44-459425-9. 
Also, the main editors of the GTS are by my experience eminently contactable if you can't access the books. --Dracontes (talk) 22:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Volcanoguy: While this is in essence a definitional thing, aren't you giving undue weight to people who either aren't aware of or can't bother using the recommended terminology? If we're going by popular vote, I would surely give far more weight to those people whose job it is to manage the nomenclature so it doesn't explode into regional fiefs (more than it has anyway). Notably important regional Geology associations that make charts of their own available, instead of simply pointing to the ICS, do follow the latter and treat the Tertiary as informal, in most cases suppressing it:
--Dracontes (talk) 03:32, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
1) Changing a quotation to something other than what the source said (aside from clearly indicated modifications) is not acceptable, period. "Honest" does not excuse the error.
2) Your isolated, single comment on another editor's talk page ("elsewhere" being User_talk:Gruekiller#Cretaceous_Period) does not rise to discussion of the point, let alone consensus for making mass, broad-reachng changes.
3) For all that "Cenozoic" may be the officially recommended term, that hardly requires immediate, rampaging enforcement of geo-political correctness. Which I hope you will understand is rather how you have come across as. I second VolcanoGuy's suggestion that you cease, at least until there is broader discussion. (If this was in a maritime context I would fly the Uniform X-ray flag, signifying: "Stop carrying out your intentions and watch for my signals.") ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:21, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Another problem is that "Tertiary" and "Cenozoic" are not interchangeable in terms of stratigraphic nomenclature. As informal as Tertiary is, it still a more specific period of time than the Cenozoic as the latter includes the Quaternary, which the Tertiary does not. Instead, Tertiary needs to be replaced with more time-specific nomenclature than Cenozoic. I would not change "Tertiary" unless a person has done enough research to replace it with either the Paleogene, Neogene, both, or the appropriate epochs. Paul H. (talk) 03:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
J. Johnson:
1) Suit yourself.
2) FWIW, that was an admin we were discussing with. I assumed if they didn't tell me to rethink things then it would be fine to go ahead.
3) This isn't geopolitical correctness: this is about people practicing science having a common language. Wikipedia being a work of reference should reflect this with informal language generally avoided. Why else would we have such bodies as the ICZN or the IAPT to regulate disputes? These international chronostratigraphic names and definitions were thoroughly discussed: the Quaternary stayed because people argued for it being kept. As for the Tertiary, apparently no one cared enough to do so. In the GTS2012 (p. 3) they do admit to a bad mistake handling that. But like many misnomers in Biology what is done is done.
Paul H.:
Fair enough. I'll clean up after myself then.
In any case I started the discussion at WikiProject Geology
--Dracontes (talk) 03:30, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
  You seem to not understand: we do not alter direct quotations. It is not a matter of "suit yourself" (or myself); it is a fundamental matter of integrity.
  You also assume too much, that something is okay if an admin has not told you not to. I would recommend that you review WP:consensus. Being a little more open in discussing what you propose to do would be good; WikiProject Geology is a good start. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:00, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

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