User talk:Dragons flight

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Graph usage request[edit]


My name is Timothy Schafer and I'm working for the Centre for Sustainable Community Development at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, BC, Canada.

I'm helping assemble the graphics for a book on development of sustainable communities. I was just looking at the image XXXXXXXXXXXx on page XXXX of XXXXXXXXXx, and wondering if:

a) Is it yours? If so, would you allow us to publish it in the book under conditions outlined below?

b) If it's not yours, whose is it, and who has permission to authorize its use in a publication? How might we get in touch with him/her?

c) What's the highest resolution version of this photo available? We need one at least 300 dpi at print size.

Some details about the project: Author is Mark Roseland. Read more about him here:; The book's working title is Toward Sustainable Communities: Solutions for Citizens and Their Governments. This is actually a fourth edition of the book Toward Sustainable Communities. It was first published in 1992; two revised editions have been published in 1998 and 2005 to favorable reviews. Here's a link to the last edition on Google Books: Subject: A compendium of "best practices" that citizens and local governments can initiate to promote sustainability at the community level, covering urban agriculture, recycling and waste management, transportation, land use and more. The book will be published in hard copy (up to 10,000 copies probably) and in a digital format. It will also be promoted on soon-to-be-established research network that links communities and local governments with research institutions. Conditions we'd need the owner of the photo to approve: We can use it in materials created to market the book. We can crop the photo as necessary to make it fit the book's layout. We'll credit you, along with all other photographers, on the book's photo credit page(s). We don't need copyright for the image; just permission to use it on the bases outlined above. Looking forward to hearing from you.


Timothy Schafer (talk) 22:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Satellite temperature measurements[edit]

I would welcome your input to the discussion related to the new public domain image of RSS and UAH global temperature anomaly data here: Satellite Temperature Measurements -- Update the Graphic. Thank you. SunSw0rd (talk) 16:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Abuse Filter 82[edit]


Just before Archival, it seemed there was support for making this disallow those types of edits, can it please be changed to make it so?— dαlus Contribs 22:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

vacation to the Thesis valley[edit]

Good luck with that. I hear it is a beautiful place. Are you going to be around SF this weekend? I'm thinking of coming to the meetup Sunday. +sj+ 03:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

font in your graphs[edit]

Hi Robert, may I know which font you used in most of your graphs (which are outstanding, btw)? Thanks. By the way, we seem to be at the same career stage. I am just starting to write my thesis these days, but as usual wikipedia proves to be a good distraction... SPLETTE :] How's my driving? 00:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


Please see Wikipedia talk:Edit filter#Filter Cleanup, a filter/filters which you were the last to edit is/are on the list of filters that I identified to disable. Please comment there if you do not want this/these filter/filters disabled. Prodego talk 18:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Good luck[edit]

Just wanted to wish you luck with your job hunting and all that. Hiding T 21:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Question about research[edit]

I wanted to ask a question about some research I want to do. I want to search approximately 20 different terms in google and find out where the Wikipedia page for each term ranks compared to other online resources. Specifically, I would be looking at terms for dermatologic conditions. So, for example, with the following search [1] on my results screen Wikipedia is the first entry, followed by medscape. Can I use google trends/"Google Insights for Search" to accomplish this? Or is there some other way I can compare google results? ---kilbad (talk) 21:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

cite.php story[edit]

I'm working on a draft of a story about cite.php changes here, but any additional info/background/links to discussion etc would be great. Thanks! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 19:14, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


I saw the article in signpost about the fix you pushe through for the references tag. Firstly, can I say thank you for taking this initiative and getting this change agreed and pushed through - I've not doubt it will result in a far better editing experience.

I'm thinking of a next stage to this: I imagine it would be fairly straigtforward to set up a bot that goes through existing articles and moves references to the bottom. What do you think? I don't have any bot experience so it's not something that I could do but would be interested in pushing this through? AndrewRT(Talk) 16:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

A large-scale, bot-based conversion is an issue for the larger community to decide, but in any event, it is not something I plan to work on. Dragons flight (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I have a different thought. We should have the editor go ahead and put the first full reference directly in the text, then future references in the format <ref name = "foo"> (+ full ref info)</ref> for the first reference, then a re-used reference could have <ref name = "foo"|page = 15 />. Then the system would place in the references section the full reference, and following that would be a reference to the reference, similar to the Harvard style notation/reference system. Except it wouldn't require two edits (or two sections). The problem I'm trying to solve is that repeated references don't currently allow for page numbers when they're re-used, and that's what I'm looking to have changed. It's also less cumbersome than the {{Rp}} template, and would look better within the text. This solves a different problem than the changes that just got put through, but I thought you're a good person to ask, and I couldn't make the changes I'm thinking about anyway...
So does this all make sense? And is it do-able? Hires an editor (talk) 03:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for the cite.php update! I've been wishing for exactly this for years. Good job! --Zvika (talk) 19:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Fake (band)[edit]

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NowCommons: File:Climate Change Attribution.png[edit]

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Str right/doc[edit]

I really disagree with your addition of Template:Title disambig text to the See also section of Template:Str right/doc, but am not going to edit war over that. Please note that I have extensively updated the documentation page of Template:Title disambig text, which has also resulted in it becoming more like the documentation pages of Template:Str right and its related templates. Debresser (talk) 22:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Structurally, I think our goal should be to do what we can to help people find what they are looking for. Which is why I think it makes imminent sense to include that in the see also. I reverted so I could explain my reasoning in the log, but if you'd prefer to take it out and start a discussion / recruit a third opinion, I would not put it back again. I will thank you for the improved documentation. I noticed that the documentation across many of the string templates has been improved and I guess you are responsible for a significant chunk of that. So thanks. Keep up the good work. Dragons flight (talk) 01:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming[edit]

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((fmbox)) categorisation[edit]

Dragons flight: Your {{fmbox}} categorisation is causing a problem. See my message at Template talk:Fmbox#Category proposal.

--David Göthberg (talk) 03:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom Election RFC courtesy notice[edit]

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Hi. Regarding Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Disambiguation_pages_are_not_articles. There would be a great potential use for a __NOTCONTENT__ tag. The "navigational pages" are currently being examined/discussed at User:Karanacs/Outline RfC draft. (It's an attempted summary of a years-long dispute that has spanned dozens of pages and threads, examining whether "navigational pages" are welcome in mainspace or not. It's stemming from some editors being very displeased with the "Outlines" (formerly "Basic topic lists") project, but I believe the root issue is this wider one.)

So far that page is really short and concise (but densely packed). I'm trying to get admin Karanacs uptodate on all the overlapping issues, and am expecting some replies from her there in the next few days (see User_talk:Karanacs#Outline_bump). We're still trying to find ways to look at the situation, in order to make possible solutions clearer (a new namespace, or new guideline, or ?). Then we intended on taking our thoughts to a wider venue (VP or RfC or etc). But your idea might be the cleanest/ideal solution.

(Feel free to reply here, there, or other. I'm replying here instead of the VP thread, to avoid having a sudden influx of overopinionated/underinformed editors arrive at the RfC draft ;) -- Quiddity (talk) 19:16, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


Hey, it's OK. Don't bother yourselves too much about unblocking that library IP. I was at the library earlier today. Am back home now. Thanks for your help and attention. (talk) 23:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit requests[edit]

I'd like to implement a feature in two templates that you protected: see Template_talk:Str_index and Template_talk:Str_sub. These templates end up using {{FormattingError}} in some cases, which puts the page in Category:Pages_with_incorrect_formatting_templates_use. It is common and not incorrect for example pages to show these errors, so FormattingError has an argument called "nocategory" that can be set to "true" to prevent categorization, while retaining the error message. There are a number of pages that are currently in this category that should not be, for this reason. I've made all edits that I could to fix this, but I need to access these two templates as well. Can you un-protect them so I can do this, or make the changes yourself?     — SkyLined (talk) 09:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, this has been resolved.     — SkyLined (talk) 12:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Vacuum cannot be proper vacuum. There must be a medium to hold the dark energy and there exists an isometric medium consisting of photons which are holding the dark energy as photons are the smallest elementary particle in term of energy as well as mass.

If we cannot create a perfect vacuum, then we cannot conclude that an electro magnetic radiation can propagate without a medium.

A photon cannot be mass less. Its rest mass is assumed to be zero as it is so small that it cannot be weighed. Its momentum can be observed as it is not so negligible.

A photon cannot travel from the source of an electro magnetic radiation to another to carry out the energy. Photons only transfer the energy from one point to another as per the basic rule of the transverse wave as an electro magnetic wave is a special kind of transverse wave.

Vibration is the only way to transfer energy from one point to another. Different mode of vibration produces different kind of energy. So if we try to construct the T.O.E. equation, then we have to find out the equation of different mode of vibrations.

A string is hypothetical as we cannot explain that by which matter it is made of. What there exists in any elementary particle to produce the mass, charge etc. is a medium of high dense photons. The photons absorb energy from different rays of different frequencies. As there exists a magnetic moment in every elementary particle, the photons cannot escape from the particles. The continuous energy state change (as it absorbs energy from a ray having a definite frequency or of its multiple integral) of the photons produces a definite mode of vibration. As a result the mass and charges (in some cases) of the particles are produced.

A black hole is continuously expanding and the proper vacuum only exists in the active gravitational field of it because the gravity of a black hole is so intense that it attracts even the particles of negligible masses, like photons.

The Big Bang is a cyclic process and it could occur from any black hole irrespective of its size or energy. The time period can be different but any black hole can end up with a Big Bang.

I, Soumya Roy, to whom you've answered before, am definite to prove all those things stated above. But I cannot do it alone without your help because of insufficient equipments and proper laboratory. I'm definite if we prove all those things no one can stop us from winning the Nobel. These things cannot be proved yet because no one has ever think these in this point of view. Please try to help me. Contact me in this number : +919800706005/+919804741988. Please contact me as early as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:14, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

The photon mass hypothesis of Nthng is imp (talk · contribs) is discussed at User talk:Dbfirs#Thank_you_for_your_reply.   — Jeff G.  ツ 17:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Science desk[edit]


Why did you replace the deleted/moved conversation about file formats from the Science desk today?

Comet Tuttle (talk) 21:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm, I didn't intentionally. As per the comment in [2] I was trying to section edit. Not sure what happened. Dragons flight (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


He want to archive his talk page :). I thank that he deleted his talk page. Sorry for the mistakes. --Diegusjaimes complaints 23:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for providing at the Misc. Ref Desk an excellent response about historical Muslim thought. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 01:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Alternative referencing style[edit]

Hi. Yesterday I became enmeshed in an argument about the use of the alternative source referencing system here [3] and here [4]. To cut a long story short an editor took exception to the use of the recently enabled process which was agreed here [5]. I think it is a much more preferable system personally, although I can see the point of view of other editors. However, the reason for writing to you is to ask whether the relevant part of WP:FN should be amended to present the new alternative? As you can see, the other editor involved took exception because he felt it was employing a reference format style that is not currently in use on Wikipedia and not documented in a guideline or policy. Documenting it in the style guide would prevent any similar misunderstanding in the future as well as promoting its use. Regards Leaky Caldron 13:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion of medical advice question at RefDesk[edit]

FYI, I just wanted to let you know that I removed a thread in which you participated, and in doing so I specifically commented on your response in my Talk page comment here. I want to emphasize that I have great respect for you as an editor - I'm only concerned about the edit. -- Scray (talk) 14:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


For sterling service on the date of 10 November 2009, In fixing a glaring problem (while other editors were apparently too busy 'bitch slapping' each other) to wit, Fixing 'cite errors' on an extremely High Profile article, "Fort Hood Shooting", I Hereby award you this COOKIE.

-- (talk) 21:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in SecurePoll feedback and workshop[edit]

As you participated in the recent Audit Subcommittee election, or in one of two requests for comment that relate to the use of SecurePoll for elections on this project, you are invited to participate in the SecurePoll feedback and workshop. Your comments, suggestions and observations are welcome.

For the Arbitration Committee,
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fundraiser stats[edit]


You said this:

"The first 9 hours of the 2008 fundraiser (0:00 to 9:00 UTC) had 682 donors raising $19022 (max donation $200). The first 9 hours of this fundraiser (5:00 to 14:00 UTC) has had approximately 515 donors raising $23300 (max donation $3000). It is too early to be drawing strong conclusions, but the very early averages are similar."

a) Can I quote this in the signpost? b) can you run the numbers for me for the first day of the relaunch, starting Thursday evening? I don't know if there's an easy way to get the stats; I only know about the contribution feed (is that what you were using)? thanks! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 04:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

never mind, I found the numbers! thanks! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 04:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Filter 131[edit]

Please see Talk:Muhammad#What happened to filter 131?

I thought this filter was active; it was working well at one point. But recently editors have come by and deleted images from the Muhammad article. Does the filter need some tuning? ~Amatulić (talk) 06:39, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


Hi Robert,

I see you undid my edit, so I'm interested to know how I've misinterpreted. The sentence is: "The increasing measured fraction of CO2 in the atmosphere over the last 100 years implies that the level of equilibrium between sources and sinks of CO2 is rising."

That doesn't make sense to me. I read it as "the system is equilibrating," but we know the opposite to be true: the atmosphere/ocean system is being driven further from equilibrium, continuously. The sentence only makes sense to me if we substitute "disequilibrium" -- because sinks are failing to keep up with sources, due to the new human-caused carbon flux.

Alternately, you could say that "level of equilibrium is falling," but that's rather confusing.

Good page otherwise!

Jim —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barrett808 (talkcontribs) 15:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Carbon dioxide in the Earth system is partitioned between the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the oceans. As the associated section of the article states, the natural fluxes between these reservoirs are much larger than the annual human emissions. Hence the amount of carbon in the atmosphere exists in quasi-equilibrium with the sources and sinks in the other parts of the Earth system. In order for carbon dioxide to accumulate in the atmosphere (the smallest of the three reservoirs) implies that the level at which sources and sinks are balanced must have risen. Humans are responsible for adjusting that balance by adding additional sources, but the issue is more complicated than simply saying that we burned 8 GtC and therefore the atmosphere has 8 GtC more CO2.
Or put more succinctly, higher CO2 in the atmosphere means that concentration of CO2 required such that sources and sinks would balance (i.e. the equilibrium level) must have increased. Since the existing phrasing was confusing to you, perhaps you can suggest an alternative wording that would capture the same content? Dragons flight (talk) 17:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Robert, thanks for the reply. I honestly thought that was a typo! I see what you mean now -- the sinks (until recently) have offset the human input, which is to say that the fluxes into the sinks have increased with the anthropogenic forcing. (I say "until recently," because we have new evidence that the ocean sink is starting to fail.) My original thought was that if the system were in equilibrium, atmospheric CO2 would not be increasing.
I'm not sure how this could be phrased more clearly. To be in equilibium, the sum of the fluxes must be zero, and if I understand you correctly, you want to say that the magnitudes of complementary fluxes are larger ("rising equilibrium level"), but still sum to zero. Maybe it could say, "The increasing measured fraction of CO2 in the atmosphere over the last 100 years implies that the system of sources and sinks is equilibrating at a higher level of atmospheric CO2." Not sure that's clearer.
My other source of confusion was conflating the flux equilibrium with the radiative equilibrium with space. This is where the system is clearly in disequilibrium -- even if all anthropogenic sources stopped emitting today, we'd still have a couple of centuries of warming "in the pipeline" until thermodynamic equilibrium is reached. It might be worth a sentence or two to distinguish these two concepts.
Anyhoo, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the great Global Warming Art! Do you have any plans to update those beautiful graphs with more recent data? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barrett808 (talkcontribs) 21:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

You have mail[edit]

Please check your e-mail. :-) -- ChrisO (talk) 21:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

when you get around to..[edit]

This [6] let me know. There are some powerful tools now like WikiTrust (see which could combine with your kind of thing in an interesting way. We are still toying with spliting the Schools Wikipedia website off from the DVD version and if it could work together it might be worth a look--BozMo talk 21:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Double Standard[edit]

So, when someone accuses me of vandalism for posting information they don't like, that's ok. When I point out that it's censorship like found in 1940's Nazi Germany, you accuse ME of making a personal attack? The problem with BOTH of you is that you put politics ahead of truth, and you are PRECISELY the reason why Wikipedia has ZERO credibility on any topic that has an impact on politics -- because of you and all of the others in the Politically Correct mafia who go around with a campaign of intimidating anyone who doesn't toe the party line. It's a crock of shit, and you know it. Akulkis (talk) 09:24, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

AF Sandbox[edit]

That data was from September though. :) Mr.Z-man graciously reran the query, so here's the new data for you: [7]. I'd love to have you back to help keep the filters under control. It's been quite a job without you at times. Prodego talk 21:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Hurricane Intensity Shift.png[edit]


Thanks for uploading File:Hurricane Intensity Shift.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. ZooFari 06:06, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Merge[edit]

Because their duplicates. Special:Import would normally take care of this automatically, but I don't want the January 2005 revision from Nost.Wikipedia in the page history. Graham87 10:22, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

GIF scaling[edit]

Hello. Can you have a look here:

Andy Martin[edit]

You left a note about Andys lawsuit against the Wikimedia foundation on the discussion page of "his" article. Send him some flowers (or chocolate, if he likes this more) last year during the fund raising campaign, a german 3rd class politian filed a law suite against - the best publicity ever for WP - donations rocketed in Germany. The topic is already in a major german journal [8]. By the way: good luck with your thesis. --Hagen Graebner (talk) 22:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Non free content use on wikipedia[edit]

I notice your comments at the discussion on drawings of people. Would you care to comment at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Rama. It would be extremely useful to have comment from Wikipedians with a good understanding of the Wikipedia policy.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 13:53, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, re animated gif problem (+PS - another editor was asking me to "correct" bugzilla:22041[edit]

Many thanks, and PS :-) ... bugzilla:22041 is about thumbnails, but issue is with file's themselves. (Of course, I'm probably not describing this right ... and solving one will probably find the other ... anyway ...

Someone followed up with me this way:

Excuse my following up on your talk page after marking resolved in Village pump (Technical), but just making sure I've done all I can do. LoL Cheers. Proofreader77 (interact) 00:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

  • PPS Finally read your user page note: Excellent. Proofreader77 (interact) 00:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Snowball Earth[edit]

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I never thanked for your condolence note last year, but I appreciate it more than I can possibly express. All the best, in friendship. Guettarda (talk) 16:14, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi Dragons flight,

Following from the discussion on citations at the Village pump, I played a little with Cite.php extention. As you may have got from that discussion I am greatly in favour of templated citations. Others expressed a (great) dislike for them for a number of quite fair reasons, particularly the slowness of pulling in many templates and the manner in which they break-up text when used in line.

During that discussion I floated the idea of modifying Cite.php to do the templating of citations instead of transcluding a template. My suggestion was that they could be done like this:

  • <ref first="John" last="Murphy" title="Quisque Quis Orci Magna" publisher="Printing House Press" location="London" year="2009" page="55" isbn="978-3-16-148410-0" />

Doing so would eliminate the slowness caused by trancluding the current cite templates. Using your WP:LDR addition would address the issue of breaking-up of text when used in line.

I've made up a working example of Cite.php that accepts these kind of attributes and creates a rudimentary templated citation from them. It doesn't break current way of doing things.

I'm not sure of how to float the suggestion of integrating this idea into Cite.php. (Clearly the template is too rudimentary as yet to be actually integrated - and there would need to be consensus about what the citation style would be.) Should I contact User:Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason? Since we had some brief contact during the discussion at the Village Pump I thought I would ask you first.

Regards, --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 16:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. Avar is no longer maintaining it, and I am probably a better contact anyway at this point. Short answer? There is not a chance in hell that developers will allow the Cite extension to dictate reference formatting. The current system is flexible for a reason since Cite needs to support many different WMF and non-WMF sites. And in general everything in Mediawiki favors giving more control over content to the user and less to developers. There are alternative proposals for greatly speeding up the rendering time of citations that won't change behavior, so I wouldn't worry about that. It will be fixed eventually. But if people want to reform the styles, they really should be working on standardizing the templates.
In terms of what might be possible though, I have contemplated for some time allowing ref to pass parameters. In other words, have:
<ref name="bob" pages="99-102">{{cite journal| ...}}</ref>
be the same as
<ref name="bob">{{cite journal| ...| pages="99-102"}}</ref>
If that is designed so that things like <ref name="bob" pages="657" /> and <ref name="bob" pages="42-65" /> can render separately then it could address the main outstanding use case. In a post of on the board you asked about having the software fill in details based on partial references (e.g. ISBN numbers). That is probably possible too though I think other things would have to happen first. Dragons flight (talk) 18:03, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Damn, I just missed this. I just opened a bug on it. That the citation style would have to be easily definable was something that I was aware of. I don't think that would be insurmountable.
Thanks anyway, --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 18:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


Dragons flight,

On the back of feedback on the Cent page to do with citation styles, I implemented a demo of the enhancements I proposed for Cite.php. It takes in suggestions received from others including yourself.

The changes to Cite.php are relatively small (a new hook, one main new method and a few methods copied from the Spamblocklist extension). The definitions for citations are defined on-wiki (at MediaWiki:Citation styles). That page is read once per article and only if necessary. The bulk of the parsing is done directly in PHP. The style definitions I used on the demo site use the parser functions for some logic but on the whole it is "dumb" and based on string replacement in PHP.

From the demo, the new method produces less HTML and is substantially quicker to generate templated citations compared to transcluded templates. The HTML it produces is identical in size to a "plain text" reference version (I have not implemented COinS data on the demo site) and - to the eye at least - appears to be as quick to load as the plain text version. I suspect if it was actually timed that it be a slightly slower but to my eye it is not noticable.

The demo site is here. If you could take a look at it and drop any comments you have on my talk page, I would be grateful. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 11:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


Hello, I was wondering if you would ever get AFDSUM up and running again? (talk) 04:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

What serendipity. I just came to your page to check if it's working again. I'm sure you're tired of being asked all the time. Failing that, maybe you could explain how to run it to someone? ¨¨ victor falk 11:49, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I am unlikely to take the time to revive this at any time soon. Dragons flight (talk) 14:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Instrumental Temperature Record.png[edit]

Hi Dragons Flight. Could you update "Instrumental Temperature Record.png" to include 2008 and 2009 (if available)? Thank you, Awickert (talk) 18:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

It already includes 2008. I'll get around to adding 2009 at some point in the net couple weeks. Dragons flight (talk) 14:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks - you're right, I misread it, Awickert (talk) 16:53, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Robert! First, congrats on your PhD! That's quite an accomplishment. Not to increase the pressure, but we now have a butt-ugly NASA original in global warming, and yours are sooo much better! ;-) --Stephan Schulz (talk) 19:09, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


[9]. So what is status now? Work-life starting? --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 18:33, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow, ditto, congratulations! Awickert (talk) 18:43, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Right now I'm taking some personal time to relax and figure out what comes next. I've decided to look primarily outside of academia for jobs and and have a couple offers on the table but haven't made a decision. Mostly I'm thinking that after umpteen years of school, it makes sense for me to take a month off or so.  :-) Dragons flight (talk) 14:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Global warming[edit]

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RD talk - copyvio[edit]

Hey there, I was monitoring WT:RD as I always do, during the very interesting discussion on how wonderful the RD's are, I saw what looks to me like a definite copyvio reproducing a subtantial portion of the work, and responded accordingly. Then I read a few more comments and see now that you consider it fair-use. I'm not on that side of the playing-field (possibly being a hard-liner on the topic of copyvio :) so I took the wobbly option of collapsing it. I realize your POV may differ and I won't get all bent out of shape if you revert this, though I'm concerned about the "substantial reproduction of the work". Looks like it's all spiralling out of control anyway, I'll have to send out for extra popcorn to watch this all play out. ;) Franamax (talk) 22:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Tfd-inline[edit]

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Plot idea: Rate of change in temperature[edit]

It may be useful to show a 'rate of change' plot. One where the vertical axis is in `deg/year' and the horizontal axis is `year' (logarithmic). It is this which will emphasise the drastic events of recent times, since the dramatic change in temperature in such a short period of time is unprecedented. Perhaps Dragons flight could create this plot?? Mjspe1 (talk) 05:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


I would like to create a few plots. Where can I access the geologic temperature record raw data? Mjspe1 (talk) 00:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Why not try to check the individual image pages - DF usually leaves links to the repositories of the data on them. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 12:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

LDR bug?[edit]

Either I found a bug when using #tag:ref as a LDR, or my brain is shot. Please look at User:Gadget850/SandboxA. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, there are several bugs related to ref stacking / #tag. This is largely a side effect of the fact the original Cite code was designed under the assumption that ref stacking would always generate an error. That and the out-of-order parser evaluation rules for #tag are a giant pain. Dragons flight (talk) 17:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I thought I was doing something wrong at first. Is there already a bug report on this issue? Out-of-order parser evaluation explains some of the oddities I was seeing. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, there is one regarding ref stacking somewhere. Your specific example is new to me, but the underlying problem is the same. Dragons flight (talk) 22:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
bug 20707 Although that implies that is should work with #tag:references, but that construct is used in {{reflist}} ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:26, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Have you abandoned File:Short Instrumental Temperature Record.png ?[edit]

File:Short Instrumental Temperature Record.png seems to have had its last data update in early 2007 with data only going up to 2006. Have you abandoned this aspect of your temperature graphs project? TMLutas (talk) 14:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I have plans to update it. In fact, a couple months ago I started preparing updates for many of the temperature images, including that one, but then some other aspects of life intervened and I have been super busy. I hope to role out updates for 10-15 images by April 15 or so. Dragons flight (talk) 02:20, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering if you would also consider releasing them under slightly less restrictive licensing. As it stands, the graphs are a bit difficult to reuse outside of Wikipedia. Kaldari (talk) 17:24, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Snowball Earth infobox[edit]

Since you appear to be one of the contributors to this article, I thought I would point you to this proposal. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Recent temp charts without instrumental record?[edit]

I wonder if you could supply versions of your 1,000 & 2,000 year "spaghetti graphs" without the instrumental record?

I was just looking at these, and these would be nice to have because:

  • at present, the charts are somewhat "apples vs. oranges" -- ie, proxy vs. instrumental.
  • there's some reason to suspect the "value added" instrumental record is biased warm, as you are probably aware -- see, forex, Peter Webster's interesting comments on the CRU data here, and Ross McKitrick's disquieting essay on his UHI work here.

Thanks, Pete Tillman (talk) 02:38, 2 April 2010 (UTC), professional geologist, amateur climatologist, & long-time admirer of your charts! Bump, 6/3/10. Bump-2, 7/17/10, Bump-3, 11/1/10

Citation templates[edit]

I mentioned your name at WP:VPT#Israel's article. Was it also you who pondered turning the citation templates into a MediaWiki extension?
Cheers, Amalthea 15:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Cite extension: suppress backlink[edit]

Would you please review bug 23455 and give me a sanity check. Thanks. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 23:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Your unilateral modification of an active sanction[edit]

I've started a thread here: Wikipedia_talk:General_sanctions/Climate_change_probation/Requests_for_enforcement#Unilateral_modification_of_active_sanction. I think it would be better to gain consensus for such a modification. It may well be that consensus exists. But if we modify that way based on principle, there are other sanctions that may need modification as well. So I invite you to discuss this. ++Lar: t/c 22:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I was following the consensus that I feel already existed from the ANI discussion, as I explained in my posting at ANI. Dragons flight (talk) 22:28, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't believe that's appropriate, the way to go is seek consensus at Wikipedia:General sanctions/Climate change probation/Requests for enforcement, which I have put forward at AN/I. ++Lar: t/c 23:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
With respect, ANI is the audience with a larger number of experienced and uninvolved participants. While one also could have sought consensus at GSCC, I'd say that ANI is actually the more authoritative forum in cases such as this. Since the issue has already been discussed there, I see no reason to try and move it back within GSCC. Dragons flight (talk) 00:45, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
With respect, ANI is the audience with a larger number of inexperienced and non admin participants. Seeking consensus at GSCC is the right thing to do. I suggest you do so. Because, with respect, I don't see the consensus at ANI that you claim to. It may well be that consensus exists, but so far you haven't shown it. ++Lar: t/c 11:49, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


I've opened a request for modification of the prior sanction at Wikipedia:General_sanctions/Climate_change_probation/Requests_for_enforcement#William_M._Connolley_comment_editing_restriction_modification. ++Lar: t/c 18:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Milankovich correlation with ice age transitions[edit]

Dragons Flight Have you a paper to explain how your Global warming art correlation of global T data by Lisiecki and Raymo with the Milankovich data by Qinn et al ,was validated.? How were the data indexed ? Thanks ≈≈≈≈ Peter —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Input please[edit]

I'd appreciate your input and feedback regarding my proposed proposed remedy/enforcement found here. Thanks. Minor4th 17:47, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


Hello, I hope I can reach you on this page without destroying anything. You plot the figure "65_Myr_Climate_Change.png‎" for the WIKI-article "Geologic temperature record". The data source are the paper from Zachos et al 2001. I know this paper and I download already the delta 18O dataset from Zachos hompage. Now I would like to compute the paleotempratures (for the ice-free time slot) from the delta 18O data, but I don't know how. Which equation you used to calclate the tempratures. Thanks a lot —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

ITN for Casa Pia child sexual abuse scandal[edit]

--BorgQueen (talk) 14:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

What exactly was the average temperature between 1961 and 1990[edit]

In graphs accredited to you, Dragons flight, the average temperature from between 1961 and 1990 is apparently used to set the comparison zero point. Please tell me what the global average temperature between this time period was used in constructing your graphs. (talk) 19:13, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

If you have time, can you please look at this query on Filter 81 that you created?[edit]

Thanks. Wifione ....... Leave a message 10:53, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

This is a title[edit]

You're the bestest ever. Kiss kiss bang bang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccarlst (talkcontribs) 05:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I think we should talk about getting an avocado tree.

Ccarlst (talk) 05:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


I took the above as taunting from a sock. Before I wrote this, I was going to revert myself given their other contributions, but I see you beat me to it.— dαlus Contribs 06:19, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

No, no. That would be taunting from my girlfriend. Dragons flight (talk) 06:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Well that explains things, though, like I said, I'm sorry.— dαlus Contribs 06:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

oligocene: abuse of miller[edit]

I would like to erase this circa 2009 discussion. Agree, if so you may also erase it...Morbas (talk) 23:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

re Sharonmil[edit]

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Thoughts on changes to satellite temperature measurements[edit]

The article was reorganized, with a decent chunk of information about the UAH satellite temperature dataset transferred to its own article, which is primarily what was eliminated from the STM article. Another subarticle was created by another editor (starting with STM's original content) which is attempting to focus more on the microwave imagers that measure atmospheric temperatures. For now, it looks like a POV wp:content fork, though that is bound to change over time. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Str find[edit]

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KeepLocal image template[edit]

Hi Dragons flight, I'm writing to everyone who commented (for or against) on the last deletion debate regarding the Keeplocal image template. This has been proposed for deletion again, and your input would be welcome. See Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2011_February_20#Template:KeepLocal. Many thanks, SlimVirgin TALK|CONTRIBS 23:15, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Old discussions revisited[edit]

Hi, Dragons flight!

Many years ago, you argued for a move from Nemesis (hypothetical star) to Nemesis (star). The matter of a move back came up, first in the context of a move from Tyche (planet) to Tyche (hypothetical planet). All of us who (until now) have expressed opinions are in favour of the longer names. Whether or not you still think the shorter (but IMHO misleading) names are better, you are of course very welcome to participate in Talk:Nemesis (star)#Requested move 2011 and Talk:Tyche (planet)#Requested move, respectively.

Best, JoergenB (talk) 14:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Instrumental Temperature Record.png[edit]

Hi Dragons flight, it's that time of year again. If you have the time could you update "Instrumental Temperature Record.png" to include the data from 2010? Thanks, Mikenorton (talk) 20:13, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on the new job![edit]

Rohde at the BEST project

Robert Rohde, a young physicist who left Berkeley with a PhD last year, does most of the hard work. He has written software that trawls public databases, themselves the product of years of painstaking work, for global temperature records. These are compiled, de-duplicated and merged into one huge historical temperature record. The data, by all accounts, are a mess. There are 16 separate datasets in 14 different formats and they overlap, but not completely. Muller likens Rohde's achievement to Hercules's enormous task of cleaning the Augean stables.
The wealth of data Rohde has collected so far – and some dates back to the 1700s – makes for what Muller believes is the most complete historical record of land temperatures ever compiled. It will, of itself, Muller claims, be a priceless resource for anyone who wishes to study climate change. So far, Rohde has gathered records from 39,340 individual stations worldwide.

Cool. Have fun! Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 05:23, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Satellite Temperatures.png[edit]

Hi, Dragons flight. On the global warming talk page the topic of why the trend is calculated from 1982 came up. I've read your note as to why and will update the talk accordingly. However, if you do make a new version of the graphs (please do they are invaluable) can I appeal for the longest possible period to be included. While I see your point about the greater discrepancy between sat and surface data early on, UAH and RSS include those years in their data and their trend calculations. While excluding those years may add to the accuracy, it can inadvertently give the impression of bias. --IanOfNorwich (talk) 01:43, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

BEST project wikipage[edit]

Could you please have a look at the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature wikipage and make edits, comments and/or suggestions? And would you have any suitable photos or illustrations from the BEST project to dress up the article? Such as photos of yourself & Dr. Muller? Is the BEST logo available as CC? Or any of the graphs in the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Analysis pdf? TIA, Pete Tillman (talk) 03:31, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Revision history edit compressor and filtering the history record[edit]

Hi, I was looking through the wikitech archives and I noticed a thread you started back in Jan 2009 about a Revision history edit compressor. My understanding was that this would present diffs with only the relevant sections (not sure if that's a correct understanding), allowing diffs to load quicker. I was more interested in the paragraph where you discussed filtering the history to determine the major edits and the major contributors. I've been interested in coming up with a history filtering tool to screen out vandalism and minor tweaks, and also potentially filtering edits where references are added or removed. I'd also like to update the watchlist to show the number of edits which occurred that day. My programming skills are fairly limited (worked with C++, Java, VBA, and a little PHP and Javascript) but I'm trying to read up on Wikipedia hacking. Do you have any comment on the feasibility of these programs? I have to admit I don't really understand your code - I'd have a better idea if I could step through it, but I probably should start by looking at the code that generates diffs to begin with. I'm not sure I really understand why your compressor is necessary to do that sort of filtering. II | (t - c) 20:27, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

AfD parsing scripts?[edit]

Hi Robert,

Do you still have the scripts you used for the WP:AFD 100 days summary? I'm interested in using these for my research on AfD discussions. I'd love to get any code you're willing to share! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Radiative Forcing Revert[edit]

Thanks for the comment you left, and I agree. See rest of my reply User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy —Preceding undated comment added 20:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC).


I spent some time on Bitard, could you have look and comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bitard? Thanks, --Anneyh (talk) 10:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi Robert. In case you are not watching the page, I have left a request for the project here. I hope this was the right place to ask - if not I would welcome your suggestions. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Probable Error in Solar Blackbody curve temperature given[edit]

This concerns the Graphs You created showing

the Solar radiation spectrum [[10]]

and the Radiation Transmitted by the Atmosphere [[11]].

The Solar temperature cited for both of these graphs is below the Effective Temperature cited on the NASA website. (5504°C or 5777K)

Looks like a Celsius/Kelvin mix-up ...but I'm far from an expert on this matter.

Time 100 lists[edit]

I have created 20042011 Time 100 lists. I understand that several of these have been previously deleted. I have been pointed in the direction of Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2006 February 4 as an explanation. As I understand this page it derives from a legal ruling that "lists of items that are created entirely or primarily as a result of editorial opinion are subject to copyright protection". I have found that the above lists are a hybrid of polling data and editorial opinion. I am not sure if this was known before and whether the word "primarily" still applies.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

A list is subject to copyright protection if the author(s) used creativity in the selection or arrangement of its elements. A typical test for "creativity" in this context is whether or not a different author given the same background information and process would necessarily arrive at the same selection and arrangement. For example, a list of facts (e.g. US states by population) is not creative, because anyone given the same facts ought to generate the same list. On the other hand, a list of the author's personal favorite foods would be considered creative since any two authors are unlikely to arrive at the same list. There are some complicated cases. For example, lists based purely on polling results are considered non-creative, since two authors looking at the same polling data would form the same list, even though the thing being polled may be subjective (e.g. favorite foods).
In general though, if subjective editorial judgment was used in such a way that different authors would be expected to construct different lists even given the same information, then the resulting list is usually subject to copyright protection. So, in the Time context, if it is polling plus editorial judgment, then that probably amounts to a work that is ultimately subjective and subject to copyright protection. On the other hand, if the list had been based purely on polling, it would generally be exempt from copyright protection. Dragons flight (talk) 07:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
If there was a scoring system where based on all polling info and all editors opinions a numerical score was determined, does the fact that any publisher could use a different scoring system mean it is subjective? I don't know of any such scoring system, but I think this will be my first major page recreation "loss" and sort of grasping at straws.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:27, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
How do AFI's 100 Years...100 Stars and all the related lists fare under this rule.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:NoCommons[edit]

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The Simpsons (pinball)[edit]

This pinball game is very popular and common, and is likely to have been reviewed, so I removed your prod. Bearian (talk) 21:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Sent to AFD: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Simpsons_(pinball). Dragons flight (talk) 22:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Minor Barnstar Hires.png The Minor barnstar
Thanks for spotting out a problem. Thanks Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 00:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


Congrats on glowing coverage in the NYTimes Dot Earth Blog. Nathan T 20:17, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Dragons flight (talk) 21:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

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Permission to use a graph created by you[edit]

Hello I am Naveed Ahmed, Doctor student at the Chiba University Japan. I am using your graph for one of my presentation, purely for academic purpose. As I came to know that this image is free to use, I think permission is not required, however, please accept my sincere regards and gratitude for creating this image. Thank you very much. With my best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:22, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Category:Shortcuts that are English words[edit]

Hey there. Just a notice: A category you created is up for deletion. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_November_21#Category:Shortcuts_that_are_English_words. Cheers. -- œ 18:59, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Truecomp[edit]

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thanks for your feedback[edit]

Hi Dragons flight, thanks for your answer to my question on the Science desk. I'm hoping you can at least read my clarification of the point, because I believe your reply was based on misunderstanding what I was saying, and I am keen to learn from your knowledge. I have taken the step of posting on your talk page, which I do very rarely, because I've had to insert my reply in the middle of the thread, and it might get missed, and also because you clearly know the area well. It's great to have academics here, and if you need my assistance on any general matter, don't hesitate to ask. IBE (talk) 18:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

An Appeal on Behalf of Humanity[edit]

Hello. I often use your graph of CO2 levels measured at Mauna Loa [[12]] as reasonable proof that "climate is warming" and "humanity needs to do something about it". But this graph appears to end in 2008. The published measurement for November 2011 is 390.31 ppm. If you can find the time, would you please update this graph? Thanks in advance Neilrieck (talk) 12:55, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:NoCommons[edit]

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Deletion of my comment[edit]

Deletion on talk page[edit]

Why did you remove my comments on the Verifiability talk page? Please don't do so again. Sheesh!(olive (talk) 17:29, 25 January 2012 (UTC))

Thanks for explaining. No worries!(olive (talk) 17:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC))

Nomination of List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming for deletion[edit]

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Question regarding your charts on editing frequency[edit]

Greetings! I recently came across your charts on Editing Frequency over Time, including from bots. I am doing a research project on Wikipedia bots, and the data in these charts is great...thank you for your work there. The data seems to end in September 2008, so I'm wondering if you have any more current data to fill in the months between then and now...or if this is a script that you ran (which I'm guessing), I'm hoping you might run it again and update the chart. Finally, I'm wondering exactly where you grabbed the data from? Thank you in advance for any help that you can provide! UOJComm (talk) 00:27, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Help evaluating status of California govt images[edit]

Saw your comments a while back on CA-PD template and thought you'd be a good person to help. I'm trying to find a map of the election districts for the City of Oakland, CA. Image is on a govt website here. Does copyright apply? (Same question for the official govt portraits of notable individual). Advice most welcome. --HectorMoffet (talk) 00:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview[edit]

Dear Dragons flight,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.


Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 05:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Editing frequency[edit]

Dear Dragons flight,

is it possible to update this Editing_frequency table??? It's a little bit outdated.

Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Franz.herbach (talkcontribs) 17:30, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

"Did you ever know that you're my hero"[edit]

Dear DF, you have been a wiki-hero of mine for much longer than our recent interaction suggests. I just want you to know that. you're an NOTCENSORED wikipedian who has come through a LOT of complex cases with great authority. I just want you to know that-- when I'm on the wrong side of you, I generally suspect I'm on the wrong side of Wikipedia.

Thank you for all you do here. I have no idea what kind of a human being you are, but I have substantial memory of times where you've stood up for what is "right" on wikipedia.

When you edit/parially revert my edits, I feel happy that there is someone competent to supervise me. I wouldn't feel as comfortable contributing to Wikipedia if I didn't know that people like you would clean up after me. Thank you for the work you do. --HectorMoffet (talk) 20:02, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Abuse Filter on the Article Feedback Tool[edit]

Hey there :). You're being contacted because you're an edit filter manager, At the moment, we're developing Version 5 of the Article Feedback Tool, which you may or may not have heard about. If you haven't; for the first time, this will involve a free-text box where readers can submit comments :). Obviously, there's going to be junk, and we want to minimise that junk. To do so, we're working the Abuse Filter into the tool.

For this to work, we need people to write and maintain filters. I'd be very grateful if you could take a look at the discussion here and the attached docs, and comment and contribute! Thanks :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 18:13, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Update needed[edit]

Are you able to update the info at User:Dragons flight/Log analysis? I am especially interested in deletion trends. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:11, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Climate science opinion2.png[edit]

In this nice new bar-chart you prepared some time ago, I think we had consensus (here) to change the head text to "Significant contributions by humans" (or something similar).

Could you make this change when you get a chance? I would, but don't know how :-[ TIA, Pete Tillman (talk) 16:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

bubble tea[edit]

Bubble Tea.png because "File:Climate science opinion2.png" is awesome. I feel like Wikipedia needs wayyy more custom graphics.Tesseract2(talk) 16:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:DF temperature[edit]

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:DF temperature has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Axem Titanium (talk) 16:39, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism Studies Update - August 2012[edit]

Hello, members of the Vandalism Studies Project! As some of us are quite new with the Vandalism Studies project, it would make sense for us to re-read some of the past studies, as well as studies outside the project. Please do so if you have a chance, just so we can get into the groove of things. We're planning on attempting to salvage the Obama study (or possibly simply convert it to a new Romney study), as well as hopefully begin our third study this November. If you have any ideas for Study 3, please suggest them! If you have any questions please post them on the project talk page. Thanks, and happy editing - we can't wait to begin working on the project! --Dan653 (talk) and Theopolisme :)
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Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_September_5#Template:PD-Afghanistan may be interesting for you Bulwersator (talk) 08:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Tried to fix per your helpful comments[edit]

I tried to fix the metric expansion of space. Please let me know if you think this discussion is clear. Junjunone (talk) 13:48, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Update some graphs?[edit]

You have some good graphs at User:Dragons flight/Log analysis but they are now five years out of date. I am interested in long term changes to editor retention, edit quality (related to reverting rate) etc. Can you update the graphs? Alternatively, do you know if they have been redone elsewhere? Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:14, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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Marcel Leroux[edit]

I've added a citation section to the DRV log, in response to your query. Apologies for its formatting.--Africangenesis (talk) 01:53, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of authors of ''Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis''[edit]

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Help Please[edit]

The User:Nymf makes all undo what I edit in Wikipedia Article. I need help please. He undo all just annoy me. Without reference or without reason.


for example a new picture:

list of Albanian americans delete he withot references and grounds.,_Greece&action=history

from older revision:

it can not go on like this.

Yours truly

Climate Change Attribution[edit]

Thanks so much for your work. I am interested in your image

The vertical axes is labeled "Modeled Forcing degrees C". My question is: if the axis were in watts/meter sq would it change the graph much? I appreciate any responce.

Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:47, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

String sub template[edit]

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Edit breaking wiki formatting[edit]

I think this edit just broke really many templates. See for example Leeuwarden, Friesland, {{Infobox settlement}}, {{Infobox settlement/densdisp}}. All seem to be grounded to {{Rnd}}. --hydrox (talk) 23:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

rewrite of Rnd[edit]

Thank for your rewriting {{Rnd}}. Unfortunately I've been seeing lots of Formatting error: invalid input when rounding messages in infoboxes since the new version went into production. The issue was reported at Template talk:Infobox_settlement#Problem_with_auto_density about an hour ago. Would you investigate, please? —Stepheng3 (talk) 23:19, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Lua requests[edit]

Hi Dragons flight, I noticed you've contributed a lot to Lua scripts at Module:Math and Module:String. I just created a request page for Lua scripts at Wikipedia:Lua requests and it'd be great if you could watchlist it to assist anyone who needs help with Lua scripts. Thanks! Dcoetzee 00:54, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Italic (title)[edit]

Face-smile.svg Thank you very much, Dragons flight! (for upgrading the Italic title template) – PAINE ELLSWORTH C L I M A X ! 14:04, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I undid your Module:String update on[edit]

Heya. On you did "replace with enwiki's version which is more mature", but that was breaking mw:Template:str sub with "Expression error: Unexpected < operator". That in turn was breaking templates like mw:Template:git, so I undid the change. Maybe the {{Str sub}} has to be renamed on mediawiki as it has been on enwiki. Thanks for working on this! -- S Page (WMF) (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:32, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Template:str crop[edit]

Just to let you know that I had to undo your change to {{str crop}} as it was displaying a string error for some occurences.

For example: {{str crop|Example|10}} should return blank rather than an error. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

LUA coord upgrade - missing from PDF output[edit]

Hi Dragons flight. It is possible that the recent conversion of Template:Coord to use LUA has suppressed the coordinates printed inline when using "Download as PDF" from the left-hand Toolbox. For example, 2012 Summer Olympics and Paralympics gold post boxes. A PDF I created last September has the coordinates printed as I would expect for inline.

I have isolated a simpler example in my sandbox - User:Oosoom/sb4. This is obviously a low priority problem, and may not be connected with the LUA change, but the ability to print lists of coordinates for use in the field is useful. Best wishes. Oosoom Talk 14:06, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

It appears that Mediawiki is presently ignoring all Lua scripts when generating PDF exports. Referred to developers as bugzilla:45861. Dragons flight (talk) 20:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. Oosoom Talk 22:28, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Weather box[edit]

Nice work on the {{Weather box}}. I was wondering if you could fix the other problems with the template. In some cases the precipitation/rain is being converted to three decimal places instead of two, see Kamloops#Climate for an example. The other thing is if the precipitation/rain/snow is green then the average days should also be green. As far as I can see the best thing would be to set it up so that if "|precipitation colour = green" then all the others turn green with the need for specifying each line. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 16:37, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Neither request is hard, though when it comes to behavioral changes, I'd prefer they first be raised at the template talk page to make sure there is no objection. Dragons flight (talk) 16:49, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll go back over there and raise the issue. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 17:52, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Requesting help for an icelandic lua coordinate module[edit]

I am wondering if you could help me. I want to change the Lua module test2wiki:Module:Coordinates-is, so when an coordinate is shown on an wikipage, V is shown instead of W, and A is shown instead of E. For example, {{coord|65|13.21|N|21|5.43|W}} should be shown like so 65°13.21′N 21°5.43′V Could you write an function like that for me?--Snaevar (talk) 09:20, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi Dragonflight, I added a couple things to Module:Citation/CS1/tests to show more information. It appears that the rfr_id in the URL was different, since you used Special:ExpandTemplates to generate the other string. This is expected, so I replaced the rfr_id appropriately and it is now passing. Dcoetzee 23:22, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Least template[edit]

Just wondering if Template:Least should stay as it is or should in be redirected to Template:Min? -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Navbox + Navbar[edit]

Looks good.. I made some edits for succinctness, and also moved the error handling for a missing name parameter from the navbox code into the navbar code (as a clear improvement over the current behavior of {{navbar}}, which is quite ugly if you don't pass it a name). But don't you think this should be a separate Module:Navbar? Navbars are used in many places other than navboxes. Toohool (talk) 01:49, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

You can split it out to a separate module if you think that's better. That will be a killer update given that it has nearly 8 million uses. Dragons flight (talk) 02:10, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For all your work on Lua templates. :-) Eloquence* 01:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

^ This. I'm very impressed with, and appreciative of, your work at Module:Citation/CS1 in particular. Thank you. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 18:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Global warming art images[edit]

Hi Dragons flight. Please see Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Antarctica Without Ice Sheet.png. Not realizing until I looked further at the site that you were the copyright holder for this image, I had nominated it for deletion. My concern is with the wording of your statement - that your images "may be used in any work where the publication as a whole is released under one of the following free content". Wikipedia and Commons both have plenty of images not released under the GFDL and so just saying, "you can use it in a GFDL project" isn't the same thing as saying, "this image is published in accordance with the GFDL". Would you be willing to resolve the issue by simply affirming the GFDL/CC license for this image at File:Antarctica Without Ice Sheet.png? Thanks. --B (talk) 18:01, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I have closed the deletion request based on your comments there. I share your preference for the strong copyleft licenses and have been annoyed when some of my photos that I uploaded here have been used without so much as attribution (much less compliance with the license). I've sent cease & desist letters to even a couple of regular news outlets over it. A problem (and the reason that I haven't actively pursued anything beyond sending off some annoyed letters) is that in the US, you can only get statutory damages if you comply with the registration formalities ... otherwise you are limited to actual damages which, for an image that I'm not making any effort to market, is basically $0. --B (talk) 01:59, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Cite encyclopedia[edit]

The recent installation of the Lua version of {{Cite encyclopedia}} resulted in {{Cite Nuttall}}, which relies on it, being broken (editorlink parameter). Bob Burkhardt (talk) 22:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Nice of you to notice, but it had nothing to do with Lua, {{cite Nuttall}} was broken due to a bad edit to the template last June. Dragons flight (talk) 22:25, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it anyway. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 01:52, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


Thx for clarifying in my sandbox. But the example of factorial function in WP:Lua#About Lua again used print. So how do I convert that with return or something else. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 05:16, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Guess I figured it myself: Module:Sandbox/sameboat2, but please check if the code can be improved. thx -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 05:21, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

recent change to CS1[edit]

I don't know if it's connected, but a whole bunch of pages has suddenly popped up on Category:Pages with missing references list

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Tue 22:30, wikitime= 14:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be anything actually wrong with those pages. Maybe just a temporary server glitch. Dragons flight (talk) 14:44, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Lua question[edit]

Hi! I'm trying to implement lua on the no.wikipedia, and at the same time trying to teach myself the bloody thing. I've noticed that you're one of the most active lua-heads here on so I hope you could sort out a pickle I've got. Is it possible to make a module bypassing the module and returning frame.args[1] in case of error. Regards Profoss (talk) 23:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I suggest asking at Wikipedia:Lua requests. Dragons flight (talk) 16:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


There are no outstanding issues that I know of. I was thinking that {{Navbox subgroup}} might be a good next test, since it has 200,000 transclusions and can exercise most of the navbox params. But if you think we're ready to jump to the main template, I wouldn't object. Toohool (talk) 06:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for all your help with this! Toohool (talk) 04:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pages using citations with accessdate and no URL[edit]

Hi, I just noted this category on a page that I edited (Journal of Reinforced Plastics and Composites). I added two references there that seem to trigger this cat. The references are online, which is why I included an accessdate (which I seem to remember was displayed, but that is not the case any more). However, I cannot include a URL. The reason is that this resource is behind a pay-wall and uses dynamic session-specific URLs. This means that any URL that I would copy would not work for anyone else and, once I have closed and restarted my browser, not even for myself. I don't really see a workaround and in this case, having an accessdate but no URL seems acceptable to me. I could, of course, include a URL to the homepage of the database, but as that is not the page where I found the information sourced by this reference, that seems less correct to me (and also risks someone adding a "fails verification" template to the reference). I'd appreciate your advice on how to handle this situation. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 15:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

It has always been the case that accessdate is ignored in the citation unless a URL is specified. The only difference is that now there is a tracking cat present to identify when people do this, which based on the cat is not that uncommon. As to whether the citation formatting behavior should be changed, I'd suggest that is a better discussion to have in a broader forum, such as Help talk:Citation style 1 or one of the village pumps. I will note that you specified this as a "cite book", in which case it seems weird to me that the information should depend on when you access it. Dragons flight (talk) 15:59, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
This used to be a book series with one volume appearing each year. I don't know whether they still produce the printed version, but it's been available online for quite some time (can't really remember when that started). I guess it's debatable whether you call this a book series or an annual journal, but that doesn't change anything about the above problem, I think. I'll go to the discussion page that you indicated. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 16:31, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

re {{cite web}}[edit]

OK, but the access date is now displayed to the reader. This is extraneous information in most cases, so if you could fix that when you get a chance, thanks. Herostratus (talk) 16:45, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean "now displayed"? It has always been displayed to the reader. Dragons flight (talk) 17:01, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Cite web compare
{{ cite web | last=Doe | title=My page | first=John | url= | accessdate=25 May 2011 }}
Old Doe, John. "My page". Retrieved 25 May 2011.
Live Doe, John. "My page". Retrieved 25 May 2011. 

I've copied a couple of your modules[edit]

Hi! Hope you don't object, but I've copied your ParsePage and DiscussionIndex modules to a sandbox (here and here) where I intend to play around with them and learn about Lua in WP. Don't panic: although I'm a Lua newbie I won't be plaguing you with lots of dumb questions :) FWIW I think this means of summarizing busy talk pages has a lot going for it, and can see it getting a lot of use when it becomes better known - hope it doesn't stress the servers too much! Best,  —SMALLJIM  16:20, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

That's fine. One thing though. I think the discussion index ought to be changed from using frame.preprocess and transclusion to get its target page to using mw.title:getContent. The later is much faster and provides the raw wikitext rather than the post-expanded version. getContent hadn't yet been created when I first started on DiscussionIndex, so it wasn't an option, but now that it is, I think it is preferable. I was envisioning doing the conversion myself at some point, but most of my wiki time has been going into migrating citations. Dragons flight (talk) 17:56, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I get the gist, but you can't expect any such wizardry from me, I'm afraid. I hadn't even heard of Lua till last week, and though it's considerably more comprehensible than all those damned template curlies which I never got to grips with, I'm right at the start of the learning curve. My only similar experience is using Perl to interface with the MediaWiki API. Great work on those cite templates, BTW.  —SMALLJIM  11:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Navbox edits in Telugu WP cause script error[edit]

Changing te:Template:Navbox to Lua version seem to have caused script error in the most popular usage instances of about 3500 as used in Telugu Wikipedia. The detailed error is "No such module". I have reverted to the earlier version for now. Still such errors can be seen in the example template uses in the later sections of the page. Request your help to address the issue.--Arjunaraoc (talk) 23:35, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

At the bottom of the edit page from Template:Navbox, it lists four "Modules", specifically Module:HtmlBuilder, Module:Navbox, Module:Navbar, Module:URL, which are the Lua components that are used by the Lua version of the Navbox. Your error most likely means that you neglected to copy one or more of these over to the Telugu WP. Dragons flight (talk) 23:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
  • The error does not appear, but the box layout is affected. It appears with short width and only after selecting show, does it become normal. Guess more Lua skills are needed to fix this. --Arjunaraoc (talk) 09:09, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


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Hey, thanks for fixing the template on Adriaen van der Donck. I looked at it over and over and just did not see that. Laura Scudder | talk 21:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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I've only just noticed that {{cite book}}, etc, were all Lua-ified last month - well done for your hard work on getting these updated! Andrew Gray (talk) 21:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


Hello Dragons flight, I have just updated Module:Footnotes in Thai Wikipedia to the current version in English Wikipedia, and found that frame:extensionTag() doesn't work there (raise an error "attempt to call method 'extensionTag' (a nil value)"). So I reverted the module back to the previous version. It seems that frame:extensionTag() is enabled only on English Wikipedia. I just want to know when that function will be enabled to all Wikipedias? Thank you :) --Nullzero (talk) 12:03, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

according to the roadmap, thwiki (as well as all other wikimedia wikis) will have it on april 10 (tomorrow) - prolly the cheapest strategy is to wait for 1.22 to hit you rather than work a complex solution that will only be needed for one day. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 14:03, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the answer ;) --Nullzero (talk) 16:31, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:TAFI on the main page?[edit]

Hi Dragons flight, can you (on WP:TAFI's talk page) confirm whether or not you will implement the code for TAFI on the main page? (If not, WP:TAFI will need to look for another admin before Monday, as David Levy has already stated he would prefer an uninvolved admin to implement) - Evad37 (talk) 07:09, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


Is normal this??? [13] and this??? [14] is FALSE!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi! Can you add the average function to it? The code is on the talk page. --DixonD (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Cite news errors[edit]

Hi. I could be barking up the wrong tree, but I reckoned you might be able to help at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_candidates#Red_error_messages. Cheers, --Dweller (talk) 23:16, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Really helpful input. I definitely picked the right person to ask. --Dweller (talk) 23:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Could you help improve a .JS gadget at Wikidata?[edit]

Hi there. I'm contacting you since I understand you played a major part in updating the code behind {{Cite journal}} and the like, where one of the changes that came about as a result of your work was the elimination of two full stops being rendered in articles where there oughtn't be. I suggested something similar for a d: gadget, and was wondering whether you, with your relevant experience, would be able to help? Thanks in advance. It Is Me Here t / c 12:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

As a general rule I don't do Javascript. You'd be better off asking someone else. Dragons flight (talk) 13:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks anyway. It Is Me Here t / c 12:33, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Mauna Loa Carbon Dioxide[edit]

Hello Robert! Any chance you'd want to update File:Mauna Loa Carbon Dioxide.png? It's about 3 years old now. Just thought I'd ask :) Kaldari (talk) 06:06, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi! It seems that you forgot to remove the "/sandbox" part while doing this edit:

local cfg = require( 'Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration/sandbox' );
You're right, thanks. Dragons flight (talk) 20:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
just curious: wouldn't it make more sense to load the configuration using "mw.loadData" rather than "require"? from the description of mw.loadData, it seems that this would be ideal, seeing that there might be hundreds of citation in one page, no? peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 20:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
It would make sense if mw.loadData was actually faster. In this application, mw.loadData is actually substantially slower than require. At present it seems that mw.loadData adds rather a lot of overhead when dealing with deeply nested tables or when one needs to traverse large segments of the included data (rather than just picking out a few values). Some of this overhead might be related to bugzilla:47300. Dragons flight (talk) 20:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
interesting. not sure i understood all the details, though... doesn't bugzilla:47300 really mean that once the fix will be merged, "require" performance can go down? peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 20:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
47300 involves a constellation of symptoms, and though the root cause is known I'm not entirely sure what all the effects of solving it will be. My best guess is that there will be little to no change associated with require. However, one of the symptoms of 47300 was that data structures stored via mw.loadData were being cloned at the start of every invoke session (exactly one of the things mw.loadData was intended to avoid), so resolving that bug will probably lead to improvements in performance when using mw.loadData. Dragons flight (talk) 22:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Update User:Dragons flight/Lua performance?[edit]

Would you have time to update User:Dragons flight/Lua performance, in light of the overhead reduction a while back? And, I suppose, all the error handling added into the citation templates. Also, how would you like me to credit you for calculating those figures in my presentation? BJorsch (WMF) (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Is there a time frame when you would need it? I can do an update but it will probably be several days before I could get to it. For rough numbers, one can take the time per iteration and subtract 2.5 ms to get an estimate of the effect of the overhead reduction. The citation templates run around 120-130 / second right now (and having 47300 resolved will actually improve upon that by a little bit). Depending on whether the audience is primarily people from enwiki or not, you could acknowledge me as either Robert Rohde, Dragons_flight, or both. Dragons flight (talk) 23:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
By May 20 or so is fine. Thanks! BJorsch (WMF) (talk) 00:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation/CS1 Script error[edit]

Hello, there; I see your name all over the Module:Citation/CS1 and figured I'd drop you a note. I've recently spun up an instance of MediaWiki 1.20.4 and used some imported Wikipedia articles as test cases. I'm getting big red "Script error" messages in every <references /> section that uses Citation/CS1. I do not receive the errors when not calling those templates, such as just using <ref> tags. On this wiki, I've installed the Scribunto extension, ParserFunctions, Cite and a few others. I then imported a bunch of templates from Wikipedia, the Common.css, etc. No change.

I've then replicated this same issue using a brand-new MediaWiki install with the same results.

The error message given in the popup is: Lua error in Module:Citation/CS1 at line 874: attempt to index field 'title' (a nil value). Backtrace: (tail call): ? Module:Citation/CS1:874: ? (tail call): ? mw.lua:425: ? (tail call): ? [C]: in function "xpcall" MWServer.lua:73: in function "handleCall" MWServer.lua:266: in function "dispatch" MWServer.lua:33: in function "execute" mw_main.lua:7: in main chunk [C]: ?

I can't seem to find any documentation on this, but it seems to point back to that Module. Do you have any idea why this error is happening, or any thoughts on how to debug this? Is there documentation available explaining this? I have root access to both of these wiki; one is an Amazon EC2 and the other is a VMWare image. Thanks in advance. C morgan2005 (talk) 00:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

The error suggests that the standard library of Mediawiki Lua functions, contained in the table mw, isn't loading properly (hence mw.title is nil). This is probably a problem with the Mediawiki install / configuration, but I wouldn't immediately know what to try. You might ask User:Anomie. I think he is more likely to have an insight into how to fix it. Dragons flight (talk) 00:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
I'd suspect a too-old version of Scribunto. What revision of Scribunto do you have installed, C morgan2005? Anomie 10:30, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm using the regular 1.20 release from ExtensionDistributor of Scribunto. I'm not finding a README, but there was a "fadcbb6" in the filename (build?) I'm getting the same result on both a 32-bit and x64 Ubuntu VM. Is there something like maintenance.php to rebuilt the mw table?C morgan2005 (talk) 23:20, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


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Hello-- this graph[edit]

U.S. temperature record from 1950 to 2009 according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)

Hey, good evening, I was wondering if you could help me figure out if this graph should be included in the 'Global Warming Art' clique thing. I also would like to know how exactly individual Wikipedia users get selected to be in that group. I'm curious as well if you know of any analogous graphs to this one that also shows U.S. temperature data (I see lots of lots of images about world data, but few things on the U.S. specifically). To be honest, the fact that climate change in the United States has been as gosh-darn small as just one degree F (apparently)... feels odd (would any American notice if I changed their room's temperature by 1-F?). Thank you. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


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In two subsections. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Cite AV media[edit]

Hi, re this edit - I see that you used |CitationClass=AV media, which won't work as intended. Any citations produced by this template will begin with <span class="citation AV media">, which is three separate classes, where I suspect you intended two.

See HTML5 Attributes, where the class row has value set of space-separated tokens. Since a space is the delimiter between multiple class names in the same class= attribute, single class names therefore cannot themselves contain spaces. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

FYI - thread that may interest you[edit]

Hi, Back in 2007 you added a new section to WP:USER that has evolved some or all of today's WP:FAKEARTICLE. This is under discussion at the talk page, and FYI I just posted a diff to your addition of that section. Join the conversation if you like, NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:02, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation Request[edit]

Okay, I'm going way back here, but in 2005 you said it was estimated that the global average tempreture difference between a ice free earth and a fully glacial earth was 10C. See here:

I'm trying to find a source on that, but can't. Any idea where I should be looking? (talk) 15:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Computational limits[edit]

Hi, you've got a response at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics#Computational limits. Best. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:27, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


Wow! That little legibility fix you did for me made such a stunning difference that my first impression was "what happened to my editor?". Thanks. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Citation templates?[edit]

Hi, as you are no doubt aware, citation templates are "broken" throughout the Wikipedia as a result of recent changes to the templates. For a good example, take a look at The Magpie (Monet)#References and all the instances of "unknown" and "ignored" parameters. Ideally, I would just remove all citation templates from every article I'm working on, but unfortunately, editors keep adding them back. Can you tell me how to solve this problem? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 06:43, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I fixed them with this edit. -- WOSlinker (talk) 06:57, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 07:05, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

VE post[edit]

Sorry to damage the format and apparently post in front of you I have no idea why I didn't get an edit conflict message. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:27, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:User Advocacy[edit]

Dragon, if you haven't noticed it already you may be interested in contributing to the Wikipedia:User Advocacy effort. If you'd be willing to add your skills to the group, you could add your name here. Or simply contribute to the brainstorming discussion. --RA () 13:22, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Visual editor protection[edit]

So why didn't this work?—Kww(talk) 06:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I think it's because you used a <span>...</span> - try a <div>...</div>. There are certain elements which are not permitted inside a <span>...</span> - it's kinda complicated, but in general, if it draws a box or makes a list, you can't put it inside <span>...</span>. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:49, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
That kind of works. (I hope Kww doesn't mind my experimenting on his userpage.) Apparently the protectedNode style doesn't reliably work for floated elements, as I can still select the Babel Template and the Admin icon, but the rest of the page becomes uneditable. Dragons flight (talk) 14:08, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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Changing the save button in VE[edit]

About MediaWiki:Visualeditor-toolbar-savedialog. If there is a consensus of some kind I'm just not aware of, please feel free to revert me and accept my apologies. However, the VisualEditor team didn't change the "save page" copy even if it's not perfect, because it's what everyone who's ever edited is looking for when they are done editing. I don't think changing it boldly is wise, since it impacts everyone. I was about to storm off and yell at my fellow WMF-ers for changing it. Steven Walling • talk 23:09, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


Why do we care? This filter is running extremely slow for what it does. I thought about optimizing it, and then I realized, who cares if there are blank lines? This seems a lot more like something for a bot, if there's actually a reason for it. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 15:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

disabling statistics[edit]

There was a link getting bandied about that let you see how many people had enabled various gadgets (including the one that disables VE). I can't find it again. Do you have any hints?—Kww(talk) 17:20, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Database_reports/User_preferences. It updates once per week. Dragons flight (talk) 19:21, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Precision format[edit]

I have been working on Module:Infobox_settlement, which implements all the various subtemplates of {{Infobox settlement}} in lua. I use the math module, and currently call two functions from it: precision and precision_format. The way I call precision is very simple, since there is a _precision function, but with precision_format, I have to load an arg table, convert the input to strings, then call the function. I am wondering if it would be possible to make this less complicated by adding a _precision_format subfunction to the math module? this is used to duplicate the {{rnd}} template. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 16:03, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Too many cite messages now hidden=false[edit]

We need latest cite messages re-hidden in Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration. As you likely know, User:Gadget850 took the wild, bold step to force all cite errors to be visible (on 26 August 2013) in thousands of pages (at least 9,000 pages warn how {cite_web} must have "url=" now). Complaints have been instaneous and numerous, for cases such as page "Audie Murphy" quickly hacked to suppress 90(!) red-error messages in the References section. See VPT thread:

In the next thread there, after that, User:Gadget850 has announced quitting of CS1 cite templates, and claims to have removed 1,441 pages from his watchlist in resigning from further involvement. Meanwhile, some users like the cite-error warnings, so re-hiding the CS1 messages, as during the prior 5 months, would be a consensus-compromise to fix the current "sea of red messages" crisis in many thousands of pages. Thanks. -Wikid77 (talk) 05:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Update work?[edit]

Can this graph be updated to show model/observed up to 2012? I'm referring to this: Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:55, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I was wondering the same. It is a very clear figure, and used on many pages. If you don't have the time to do it, I might make an attempt if you can provide me with the data. My skills in producing figures are not that good, though.
If you were to have even more time, could you also upload a Dutch version? The translations are as follows:
Modeled -> Gemodelleerd. Observed -> Geobserveerd. Greenhouse gases -> Broeikasgassen. Solar -> Zon. Ozone -> Ozon. Volcanic -> Vulkanisch. Sulfate -> Sulfaat (if your new data would instead provide a number for aerosols, the translation would be Aerosolen), Temperature change -> Temperatuurverandering. Modelled Forcing Response -> Respons op gemodelleerde forcering. Climate Change Attribution -> Klimaatverandering, toeschrijving.
Thank you very much in advance :). Femkemilene (talk) 09:18, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Opting in to VisualEditor[edit]

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Shortened footnotes in the Kindle era[edit]

I don't know who can actually make the changes, but where there are multiple references to the same book, it is only possible to cite specific page numbers, unless I am wrong. Someone added to an article and used Kindle numbers.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:26, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Redrose64#Shortened footnotes in the Kindle era. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:17, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Fenton Communications for deletion[edit]

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Nomination of List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming for deletion[edit]

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Help, please[edit]

A message left at Module talk:Citation/CS1/Archive 9#Change to lua library yesterday suggests that some code you wrote for the Citation Style 1 module is going to die on 18 February 2014. In particluar, mw.message.newRawMessage is going away. This seems a rather hard deadline. I'm concerned because I'm not quite clear on what's happening in that library function. Your change to use the library happened with this edit.

Can I go back to the pre-library function code without problems or is mw.message.newRawMessage doing other things for us that will require additional code?

Trappist the monk (talk) 12:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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For helping n exploration into an under-reported aspect of LGBT culture. Sportfan5000 (talk) 23:51, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I created an article about you[edit]

The article is, unsurprisingly, here: Robert Rohde.

What do you think? Jinkinson talk to me 17:47, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Keeping track of DOIs used.[edit]

Of interest to all devs on the Lua module Citation/CS1 @Dragons flight:, @Trappist the monk:, @Wikid77:

I'm working on the Open-Access Signalling Project, which aims to upload the full article text to wikisource and link it to the reference in Wikipedia. I'm writing the bot at the moment to do this, and I'm encountering a question - how do I keep track of the values of the template {{Cite doi}} and the doi parameter of {{Cite journal}}, in as close to real-time as possible?

Is it possible to modify code of {{Cite journal}} in such a way that it will make a record or push a stream of when the "doi" paramter is changed?

The most efficient approach I can come up with at the moment is to query the SQL servers on Labs in constant loop, returning the results of "What transcludes {{Cite doi}} and {{Cite journal}}" and seeing if the last_edited timestamp is newer than previous? If the last_edit is newer, then get the content of the page and see if the doi values has changed, checking against a local database. But this seems horribly ineffecient.

Thanks, Maximilianklein (talk) 18:43, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

If I understand what it is that you want, and I'm not sure that I do, I suspect that what you're looking for is not possible. But is 'real-time' tracking of the |doi= parameter in {{cite journal}} citations really necessary? Documents with doi identifiers don't change.
Trappist the monk (talk) 12:25, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


Hi Dragons flight. Is Template:RemoveCoins, which you created, still required? If not, I'll nominate it for deletion (or you can, if you prefer). Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 13:00, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I deleted it. Dragons flight (talk) 16:38, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 21:55, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

thank you[edit]

Thank you for your answer to my question about iuds-- (talk) 04:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

You do realize[edit]

That the U. S. Senate is one of the two Houses of the American legislature? μηδείς (talk) 04:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Where did I say otherwise? Dragons flight (talk) 04:58, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


Please an answer.

Two last posts and then I go sleeping.

Gravitation Relativity Cosmology[edit]

I have put a small exercise


I am sorry to disturb you. I know you have other things to do than to answer my questions. But if we consider :

 High gravity on A, low gravity on B.
 :*Synchro0 : 00h00 on the two glocks.
 :*Synchro1 : 01h00 on glock A 00h59 on B.
 :*Synchro2 : sunrise, 02h00 on A 01h58 on B.
 :*Synchro3 : sunset, 06h00 on A 05h54 on B.
 The referential was A, now lets with B:
 :*Synchro0 : 00h00 on the two glocks.
 :*Synchro1 : 01h01 on glock A 01h00 on B.
 :*Synchro2 : sunrise, 02h02 on A 02h00 on B.
 :*Synchro3 : sunset, 06h06 on A 06h00 on B.
 B has to compare data with A at 6h00 for A. It means 5h54 for B

Am I wrong ?

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RfA data[edit]

Hi Dragons flight. I've been thinking about collecting and analysing some RfA data and stumbled across your probability plot today. Just wondering how you collected the data for that plot and whether you wrote up any further analysis of it? Thanks, Sam Walton (talk) 23:23, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Revise caption on File:Climate science opinion2.png ?[edit]

Climate science opinion2.png

You may recall a discussion of this then-new chart at New bar chart. You seemed to agree that it would be better to change "Largely caused by humans" to "Significant human impact."

This never got done, and the issue has been revived at Graphic.

Would you be able to edit the chart to read ""Significant human impact?" This would seem to match the survey results more closely. Thanks in advance, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:26, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Already done by another editor. You might check in at the discussion, to see if you agree with the mods proposed. Thanks, Pete Tillman (talk) 14:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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I have a problem with my email, can you send me a message so I see if you get the response? Thanks μηδείς (talk) 23:46, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

I sent you a test email. Dragons flight (talk) 23:51, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
OKay, thanks. it's half past noon, NY time, and I am sending an email through wikipedia, with an identifier word so we know we are speaking of the same mail. Please let me know if you get it. μηδείς (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
After you told me to look for it I found it in my spam folder. Under ordinary circumstances, I almost never check the spam folder so there would be a high probability of missing it, if you hadn't mentioned that it was coming. Keyword: Smaug. Google also added a big warning bar over top of it that said: "Be careful with this message. Our systems couldn't verify that this message was really sent by You might want to avoid clicking links or replying with personal information." Dragons flight (talk) 18:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay, thanks, that's extremely helpful. (I got a notice at 12:42 NYC time the message had been returned undeliverable.) I will simply delete the yahoo account, which seems entirely useless and create a new one. Feel free to delete or archive this, you've been very helpful. μηδείς (talk) 21:57, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, again[edit]

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You probably deserve an email barnstar, but I like spinny objects, so thanks for the help. μηδείς (talk) 22:00, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


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WP:ITN/Candidates you've been quoted[edit]

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Thank you for unblocking! It is sad that I have to waste my time on vandals Lackope. Have you seen this [15], [16], [17], [18], [19] Montenegrins have become Serb-Montenegrins who speak only Serbian. Will Ukrainians in Canada to become a Russian-Ukrainians in Canada? I have to draw on each talk page that I'm right. [20], [21]... and others have him corrected --ChumleeS (talk) 12:14, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


I've noticed you've blocked the above mentioned user recently. I just want to point out that he is at it again. I've been following him for the past couple of weeks and this user is showing highly disruptive behavior. Now, while I don't agree entirely with ChumleeS method (he should have reported him already several times instead of reverting him) I believe his intentions are in good faith. This is not some content dispute, this is one user deleting content from one page (sourced with reliable references) and inserting content with dubious references (tabloids, daily portals, etc.) on other pages. I also believe this user has one other clone account User:Mitrale89 and also that he he was the same anon user User: which I personally reported and which got blocked about a week or so ago...they all have same modus operandi, same interests and identical rhetoric. Shokatz (talk) 13:51, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

this is not true because I do not disrupt anything I just enter valid sources in articles about Serbs, but for weeks these users(Shokatz and ChumleeS) remove sources because they do not like their content for i believe political reasons because they are from Croatia and Montenegro,and I do not have any clone account it is a ridiculous accusation. Lackope (talk) 14:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)lackope


Also, have a pizza!

Hello friend. :-) Guess who's come back (kinda) from the dead after 5 years? It's a good feeling to be seeing so many familiar names from "back then" still active. How's been the wiki life been treating you? What big things are happening around lately? —Миша13 16:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hi DF,

I hope you are well! I have trouble accessing from the university network (and sorry haven't tried any other). Is there a problem on your end? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:21, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

This seems to have resolved itself. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 22:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Filter 667[edit]

You seem to be much better than me at predicting how many conditions a filter is going to take based on the syntax. Can you take a look at 667 and see if you can tweak it?—Kww(talk) 02:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Permissions for edit notice editing[edit]

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Update your abuse filter: New user removing speedy deletion templates (29)[edit]

Please modify the above filter: Change "Warn, Tag" to "Warn, Disallow". WhiteWindow (talk) 14:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)


The source cited but not quoted is 2008. Nothing is said about the proper attribution, and copvio covers unattributed statements of other authors even if they are out of copyright. It seems the 2008 source is inappropriate. Until the the copyvio tag should stand. As for the tools, I get "server error" when I try to check the rest of the text. But if you've read any of it it is a load of copy and paste not suitable for the project. If the 2008 source is proper, it is not attributed or put in quote marks. μηδείς (talk) 04:36, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Though related (and often simultaneous), WP:COPYVIO and WP:PLAGIARISM are separate issues. My contention is that {{copyvio}} is not appropriate for issues that consist solely of plagiarism. (I'm not saying that plagiarism is not an important issue, just that the full blanking of copyvio is not generally regarded as an appropriate or approved response.) Any way, I intend to step out of it, and let other people decide what to do, which is why I left a message at ANI. Dragons flight (talk) 04:43, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
This is the first time I have dealt with such an issue. I replied at ANI. If plagiarism is the "real" issue, that's fine with me. But the cited source is from 2008, so we seem to be stealing from them what stolt from others. I think a response from a regular copyvio editor can be awaited. I fear a large part of the article is below standards for more mundane reasons, but our disclaimer says copyvios will be deleted on sight. μηδείς (talk) 04:50, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


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