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Hello, Drift chambers and Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking Insert-signature.png if shown; this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field with your edits. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! XLinkBot (talk) 12:35, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
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August 2011[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page 666 (number) has been reverted.
Your edit here to 666 (number) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove links which are discouraged per our external links guideline. The external link(s) you added or changed (http://theoutwardquest.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/666/) is/are on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia.
If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. However, if the link does not comply with our policies and guidelines, but your edit included other, constructive, changes to the article, feel free to make those changes again without re-adding the link. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! --XLinkBot (talk) 12:35, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added to the page Number of the Beast do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used as a platform for advertising or promotion, and doing so is contrary to the goals of this project. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia.  
Your edit here to Number of the Beast was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove links which are discouraged per our external links guideline. The external link(s) you added or changed (http://theoutwardquest.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/666/) is/are on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia.
If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. However, if the link does not comply with our policies and guidelines, but your edit included other, constructive, changes to the article, feel free to make those changes again without re-adding the link. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! --XLinkBot (talk) 11:20, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Reliable sources[edit]

Hello. Information added to the Wikipedia must be verifiable by reliable sources external to the wikipedia itself. We cannot use the Wikipedia itself, or variants or mirrors of it, as you appeared to do to the Call sign article. JustinTime55 (talk) 20:48, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Translations[edit]

Hello, and thank you for adding a page on Henri Stierlin. Please don't use machine translation though because they are always faulty and are sometimes very hard to clean up. Next time you'd like to have a page from another Wikipedia translated to English, please see WP:Translation. Regards, De728631 (talk) 16:06, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Reverting your other account's edits[edit]

  • 1aWould you care to explain what this is about? Testing your rollback feature? Nageh (talk) 13:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
  • 0aUser:DVdm passed through the alternative account for this User (i.e.Neutralcurrent) and noted edits considered vandalism.This edit (Coding theory)didn't seem like vandalism either, although there were two elsewhere which needed attention.In conclusion pressed rollback investigating this function.Drift chambers (talk) 16:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

by investigating is meant testing,(unknowing of trhe function/not knowing the function) did in some way have my hand forced by the panic of DVdm (wholesale)-vandalism-checking-activity-,but that's O.kDrift chambers (talk) 09:42, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

  • 1b  :I checked a couple of your edits, and many of them are indeed pointless and violating WP:MOS. Please get yourself acquainted with the rules before carrying out these kind of mass edits. Please use the WP:Sandbox for testing and not actual article pages. Thanks, Nageh (talk) 11:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Even worse, you are translating original-language book titles into English! What is going on in your mind? These are the actual titles. Nageh (talk) 11:48, 30 August 2011 (UTC) Argh, and you are even using machine translation! Nageh (talk) 11:50, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • 0bThere is locations somewhere in wikipedia which state the rules you refer to but somewhere else state also( or there-abouts)that these aren't absolute strict rules,

perhaps working outside these rules is helpful to some,(i.e. working from this second non-strict rules factor).

not really sure the edits to which your reference is made would be helpful if there were more details as to pointless comment so there could be some verification on my part,as there are a number of mistakes that have been made through tiredness which are in the large majority of edits rectified immediately,perhaps it was those to which the comment is made.Not read anywhere the criticism of pointlessness in wikipedia, surely a subjective/or personal judgement which isn't reflected elsewhere.(one man's meat is another man's murder)and scientific methodology doesn't support a small survey size(i.e.checked a couple of ) to great a conclusive opinion,would appreciate again your justification or opinion on this comment (as consensus is the rule)to arrive at a constructive and agreed conclusion.

The machine translations are to save time and did check the translation again once the article had been viewed,and Wikipedia is English language so the English version translation is a requirement.(c.f translating original-language book titles)Drift chambers (talk) 16:06, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

  • 1c :Ok, I will clarify what I meant by "pointless". Let's take these edits as an example. WP:MOS states that article titles and redirects to an article should be formatted in bold letters, not in italic as you changed it to. You changed an "and" into an "et" sign (&), which is discouraged by the MOS. Further below you moved the closing quotation mark towards the end of the first paragraph in the blockquote but it seems that the second paragraph would be part of the quote (actually, MOS states that no quotation marks should be used for blockquotes). It seems that I reverted some rightful wiki links in the process, which was not my intent.
Regarding your translations of book titles: If you simply replace the original language title with an English title then this is not the actual source an article may be based on, nor may there even be an English version of the book with that title. In other words, replacing the title is not helpful at all, and in fact misleading! If you really want to provide a translation leave the original-language title in place and add the translation within parentheses. Furthermore, if you don't know that language too well I suggest you to not rely on machine translations. Heck, even your recent reinstantiations of English book titles in Jürgen von Beckerath are inaccurate! But machine translation is cheap, right? Nageh (talk) 17:44, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • 0c was looking for the correct translation here but there isn't another apart from my own.If it is the case that they are wrong,there hasn't been an effort to correct this and accurate alternate provided by User:Nageh .think it better to make the article correct first before hurling your rhetoric towards myself,that is if your aware of the correct translations.otherwise when an english-language article is lacking anything other than german titles better to work through and create a close enough effort.Drift chambers (talk) 17:59, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • 1d  ::The lack of effort is on your side. You disregard WP:MOS, you disregard WP:Naming_conventions_(books)#Title_translations, which states that English translations should be provided for non-Latin book titles, you disregard my further explanations above, and you accuse me of hurling mere rhetoric towards you. Nice move. Nageh (talk) 18:08, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • od logged off until tommorowDrift chambers (talk) 19:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Your other account[edit]

  • 1aCan you explain why you keep jumping between your two accounts, editing the same article, only minutes apart? As far as I can tell, it doesn't fall under WP:SOCK#LEGIT. Nymf hideliho! 06:33, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • 0a::Please detail the specific occurence in question and will return with answer, although it isn't a matter by choosing the alternative account for any reason other than had become unable to continue with that user neme editing direction so had to change to the alternative name as find it helps investigate the whole wikipedia domain with alternative accounts;was considering the neccessity of bringing one of the account names closer alignment( with policy), although there is an entry somewhere else that states something like there are no hard and fast rules upon wikipedia, so had interpreted this clause in this instance knowing the contradiction there. Though someone might consider sockpuppetry the challenge to be appropriate, there isn't any malice or hidden agenda to have these alternative accounts, infact there is another UA1high which is also a physics username,being used.Really considered too selfish on my part to hold, something like a monopoly of these physics username accounts,but having to learn about accountancy elsewhere as a subject did consider account managemnt as something must cut my teeth upon,and again was considering a query with the help desk as had proceeded from a clean-start situation to Neutralcurrent,to find making use of a number of physics named accounts would be of use to those analysts who would make sense of the editing patterns, so did so for dreasons of artistry.c.f PrometheusHe was a champion of mankind, known for his wily intelligence, who stole fire from the gods (Zeus) and gave it to mortals reference for this is There is scholarly thought that man already had fire, and it was taken away by Zeus. Cf. M.L. West commentaries on Hesiod, W.J. Verdenius commentaries on Hesiod, and R. Lamberton's Hesiod, pp.95–100.

0b::So did know there was some wrongness to the choice but did consider could make some legitamate and constructive use of these acounts for the purpose of editing activities and certainly not for any reason which falls outside of the activities of a legitimate and bona fide editor.Drift chambers (talk) 09:32, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

  • 1b:::I am sorry, but I have no idea what you just said. As you can tell from WP:SOCK#LEGIT, sockpuppeting is only allowed if you have a valid reason for doing so. I see edits 8 minutes apart at the Rachel Weisz article (1, 2). In the 666 (number) article, you were editing as Drift chamber. A bot then reverted you. You quickly login as Neutral current and revert the bot, and then right back in as Drift chamber and keep editing. These are just a few examples of many. That kind of editing is not okay! Nymf hideliho! 16:20, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • 0c ::::Correct me if this is a mistake but the bot is designed to revert edit from new inexperienced users who have done few edits, which isn't the case here as have had edited over 1000 on previous(not those discussed here) accountsDrift chambers (talk) 16:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • 1c :::::So you are saying you have other undisclosed accounts? Nymf hideliho! 16:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • 0d ::::::the previous two are dis-continued, i.e inactive(User:furkhaocean,and User:furkaocean)these can be located from archeoastronomyDrift chambers (talk) 16:33, 30 August 2011 (UTC).
  • 1d :::::::As far as I can tell, this isn't a WP:CLEANSTART as you are still editing the same kind of articles. Question 1: Do you have a legit use of two accounts? Question 2: Why have you jumped accounts 4 times? Nymf hideliho! 16:37, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • 0e::::::::the same kinds of behaviors and activities.Drift chambers (talk) 16:57, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • 1e :::::::::I'll just bring this to ANI. I'll let you know when the thread is up. Nymf hideliho! 18:12, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Cryptography[edit]

Yes, I am familiar with the concept of verifiability, thank you. However the information you refer to is in the article's lead section which is intended to summarise the rest of the article. As explained in WP:LEADCITE it is not necessary to provide citations for information in the lead which is repeated in the article's body, as is the case here (in the "Terminology" section). The definition you added is also incorrect, or at least overly simplistic. The word "code" in the context of cryptography has a specific meaning, and there is far more to cryptography than codes (again this is explained in the "terminology" section). Hut 8.5 19:30, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Please stop it, Drift chambers aka Neutral current aka furkhaocean aka furkaocean. If you have absolutely no knowledge about a difficult subject such as cryptography don't go ahead and google some wrong dictionary definitions (as you did so far in countless other articles) and insist on adding them. Hut 8.5 has already explained to you that modern cryptography is actually about ciphers and not codes; these are quite different concepts. Furthermore, cryptography is much more than the study of ciphers, but - as the article more correctly describes - the practice of hiding (and protecting) information from adversaries. Or, as Mihir (based on Rivest) has described it quite generally, "cryptography is about constructing and analyzing protocols which overcome the influence of an adversary". Your editing is contentious: please stop it. Nageh (talk) 08:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Please discuss this on the article's talk page. Edit warring is considered disruptive and can get you blocked. Hut 8.5 09:49, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


c/o User talk:Nageh the following from the article ciphertext

In cryptography, ciphertext (or cyphertext) is the result of encryption performed on plaintext using an algorithm, called a cipher.[1] Ciphertext is also known as encrypted or encoded information.

this article doesn't reflect changes either,as there is no mention of modern cryptographyDrift chambers (talk) 10:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

the above reply is meant only as,for the attention of User talk:Nageh

i.e mea culpaDrift chambers (talk) 10:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

This does not have an effect on the fact that a code is defined differently from a cipher, and even classical cryptography was not only concerned with codes. Concerning classical vs. modern cryptography, most of the article discusses modern cryptography. Nageh (talk) 11:07, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

RE: Mickey Mouse lead section[edit]

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Use of Bold[edit]

Hi there! I reverted your edits to Socrates that put a number of terms in bold. The Manual of Style suggests using boldface only for the article title and a few other occasions, not for important or key terms; see WP:MOSBOLD. Happy editing! RJC TalkContribs 23:55, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Help requested - Antidorus of Cyme[edit]

Hi, I noticed you recently created the article Antidorus of Cyme. I was wondering if you could help us out - the article currently links to three disambiguation pages: Peripatetic, Ergo and Cyme. Do you think you could point these to the correct articles? Sometimes it's difficult to know what the original author intended. This tool is very helpful. Thanks, --JaGatalk 19:31, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Shmuel Agmon[edit]

Hi,

I have a couple of comments on your recent edits of Shmuel Agmon:

  • the Emet prize announcement is already cited in the article, so if you want to cite it once again, you can reference the same link (instead of adding the same ref. several times). The first time you cite a ref. you give it a name (e.g. [1]), and the next time you cite the same ref (e.g. [1]).
  • Are you sure the "learning section" in its current form is in place? The article does not mention where Agmon studied, et cet, so the info seems to be out of context. Also, I think it would be more important to add at least a short paragraph about Agmon's work (unfortunately, I am not competent to do this), before adding more biographic material.

Best regards, Sasha (talk) 16:02, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

  1. ^ a b ABC are the first three letters of the English alphabet

Reliable Sources[edit]

I noticed you worked on cleaning up some of the Egyptian mythology pages such as Anuket and others. You have been adding websites as sources for the articles. That is not the sources Wikipedia is looking for per WP:RELIABLE. The articles need to be referenced by either books or journals that are reputable and preferably peer reviewed. I have found that sometimes the fastest way to get the sources is to do a search on google books. It still requires some thought about which books are reliable and which ones are not, but often the name of the author gives a clue in that direction. Websites are almost never appropriate as sources, unless they are maintained by for instance a university (the one you have on the Edfu Project is excellent and should probably be added as a link in a section labeled External Links?). --AB (talk) 15:18, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

I am concerned about your edits to ancient Egypt articles over the past few days. Aside from the problem with reliable sources that User:AnnekeBart points out above, there are also formatting problems. The first word of each section heading is supposed to be capitalized, and typing "return" several times to create huge blocks of white space is not a good way to arrange the elements of the article. Plus, you include long quotations from ancient Egyptian texts. That's not absolutely wrong, but quotations from primary sources like that are supposed to be used sparingly. For example, there are dozens of spells in the Pyramid Texts that mention the Duat by name, but only the passages (not whole spells) that are most relevant to understanding what the Duat is should be quoted in article text. Moreover, recent translations of foreign language texts are copyrighted. If you're quoting directly from Allen's book, as you seem to be, quotations that are too long could be considered a copyright violation. A. Parrot (talk) 17:52, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Fair Use The amount used isn't substantial in comparison to the whole content,the qoutes aren't from Allen directly ,instead quotes of translations of the original egyptian The Duat use is relatively long but without any use of comment by Allen (so the use is translation ),while the Aken quote is very short in comparison to the whole work,and the small comment used from Allen is significantly different.Copyright Act of 1976.So your concern is with the Duat usage presumably. Drift chambers (talk) 18:45, 19 September 2011 (UTC) [Contributions A.Parrot] Drift chambers (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

No Interwiki in external Links[edit]

Hello, my name is Consulnico, from the French Wikipedia, where I've seen some of your edits today. You've put interwikis (i.e. a link to the same article in another language of wikipedia) in the bodies of articles, but you have been reverted, so I've come here to understand why. As I can see in your page of contributions, you're doing the exactly same thing, but it's absolutely useless because if you look at the left column in every article, you can see that there are links to the same article in other languages of wikipedias. If you click on one of these links, you see the article in another language.

So, you don't have to continue this, because these changes should not be accepted by the community. Regards, --Consulnico (talk) 22:03, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Fair dealing in United Kingdom law[edit]

I'm not going to revert you, because that would break 3RR, but when formatting reference please try to use a consistent style. I would advise Template:cite web. Ironholds (talk) 15:42, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Drift chambers (talk) 15:56, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Is that an acknowledgement? :S Ironholds (talk) 15:58, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

the secure server was unavailable yesterday from the log-in page, so was unable to provide your answer; was meant as a recognition that your mail had been read.Drift chambers (talk) 10:05, 2 October 2011 (UTC) anyway had to locate the secure server via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Logging_in Drift chambers (talk) 10:07, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Gotcha. Ironholds (talk) 22:10, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
    As I have already said, please use a referencing style consistent with the article or, indeed, Wikipedia as a whole. Neutral case citations are the consistent style - please stick to them. Ironholds (talk) 11:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
    For the third time, stop inventing magical new conventions. "use a referencing style consistent with the article or, indeed, Wikipedia as a whole" is not "alter all the citations" or "please, feel free to make up your own way of doing things used literally nowhere else". I'm not going to revert you, because it's getting to the point where there is edit-warring, but I have repeatedly brought up my concerns and you have repeatedly failed to discuss them. You're getting dangerously close to a block. Ironholds (talk) 23:16, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
    It's also against the WP:MOS. Please, stop changing the citations without discussion. WP:BRD and all that. →Σ  ☭  23:31, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Firstly, the original format already contained the dates. Secondly, "ignore all rules" is "when a rule prevents you from improving Wikipedia, ignore it" - how does writing case citations ALL IN CAPS improve Wikipedia? Third, your article linked to two hidden journal articles, neither of which are accessible, rendering the references just as pointless, accompanied by a report from Australia that isn't even the case transcript! Understanding the cases' relevance and meaning is perfectly clear - when the article says "as in Ashdown v Telegraph Group Ltd, the courts "bear in mind that considerations of public interest are paramount". Because of this, there are many different things which enhance or detract from the "fair" nature of the dealing", it seems obvious to parse it as "Ashdown v Telegraph Group is a case in which the public interest was kept in mind by the courts". Ironholds (talk) 10:30, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

if it could be clarified from http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2001/1142.html the site shows citation Ashdown v Telegraph Group Ltd [2001] EWCA Civ 1142 (18 July, 2001) and underneath the line cite as:

then

2001 (7 of these)and 2002(4 of these)

showing in -2.- an additional date indicating these number of hearings (that is 11 hearings in total to reach a verdict)Drift chambers (talk) 10:41, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

at the time as your mail arrived was about to create:

-Links to case transcriptions- (title of section )

THE RIGHT HONOURABLE PADDY ASHDOWN, MP PC- and -TELEGRAPH GROUP LTD((2001)) EWCA Civ 1142, (2001) 24(9) IPD 24058, ((2001)) HRLR 57, ((2001)) EMLR 44, ((2001)) 4 All ER 666, ((2001)) UKHRR 1242, ((2002)) Ch 149, ((2002)) ECC 19, ((2002)) RPC 5, ((2001)) 3 WLR 1368, ((2002)) ECDR 32

(BAILII.org) retrieved 15:16GMT 1.10.11Drift chambers (talk) 10:45, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Don't. "cite as" is "these following things are case citations". Those are not for 11 hearings to reach a verdict, those are for 11 different places and ways in which the verdict was reported. Precisely what is your specialisation in English law? Ironholds (talk) 11:05, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree with Ironholds. Your case citation style is bizarre, disruptive and certainly non-standard for Wikipedia (and what other institutions do elsewhere is irrelevant). Anyone who think that Ashdown v Telegraph Group had eleven hearings because it is contained in eleven different law reports probably ought not to be adding / editing case citations to legal articles. BencherliteTalk 11:30, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
    Okay; first, I really couldn't understand your last message. Second, could you keep comments under a single heading on my talkpage instead of creating new ones? I think Sigma and Bencherlite's comments above form a fairly broad consensus - please stop making these changes. Ironholds (talk) 11:31, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Album category deletions[edit]

Please stop Small categories of artist albums are explicitly allowed per WP:SMALLCAT/WP:ALBUM. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 19:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC) am looking into this - https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:CategoriesDrift chambers (talk) 19:30, 9 October 2011 (UTC) & https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Category:Songs_by_artistDrift chambers (talk) 19:32, 9 October 2011 (UTC) Avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members, unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, such as subdividing songs in Category:Songs by artist Drift chambers (talk) 19:41, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Right There are even categories that are entirely made up of redirects for albums (e.g. Category:The_Balham_Alligators_albums.) —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 19:45, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Your article has been moved to AfC space[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Du-Ku[edit]

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Your recent pagemoves[edit]

Regarding your recent page moves: parenthetical tags are generally added to article titles only for the purposes of disambiguation; i.e., to distinguish between two or more articles with the same name. The current convention regarding geographical features (WP:NCGN) is to use the widely accepted name, and only add additional text if needed to distinguish between multiple articles that share the same name. If you want to change this convention to use parenthetical phrases for category navigation, can you propose the new convention at WT:NCGN, rather than make pagemoves that move certain articles out of step with established naming conventions? --Muchness (talk) 21:13, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I do find the page move of Mount Garibaldi, Mount Cayley and Black Tusk inappropiate because all of these names most commonly refer to the mountains the articles cover. Volcanoguy 00:39, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Mount Shasta[edit]

Hello, I strongly oppose changing the name of the article about the California mountain as it is clear that this mountain is by far the primary topic people are looking for when searching. As a result of a flurry of edits by others following your change, the main Mount Shasta article is now inaccessible and leads to a redirect loop. Please help clean up this mess. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:34, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Mountain article renaming[edit]

Oh my gosh, I just looked at your contributions list and see that you are renaming lots of mountain articles. This is not necessary and not useful except in the rare case that two well-known mountains share a name. Please stop and discuss your reasoning. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:53, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Please stop your renaming of mountain articles to include a region, country or province. It breaks two of the five principal naming criteria at WP:TITLE, namely conciseness and consistency (as Wikipedia generally does not do this except where disambiguation is required). The moves should be reverted. If you wish to challenge the naming policy you need to discuss it first with the community e.g. at the Village Pump or the Talk Page of WP:TITLE. --Bermicourt (talk) 08:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm here to reinforce the comments of Cullen328 and Bermicourt. If there's any possibility of people disagreeing with a page move it's best to discuss it beforehand in an appropriate venue.   Will Beback  talk  20:00, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
  • I also am here to support the remarks of the editors above. Please stop this unnecessary renaming as it just causes more work for it to be undone. If you believe you have justifications for doing so, please discuss them first. Thanks. RedWolf (talk) 06:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

see:https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Request_board

Improper Usage of Minor Edit Checkbox[edit]

Please review WP:Minor Edit. You should only be claiming a minor edit when it is truly a minor edit (such as spelling corrections, obvious missed paragraph breaks, etc.). It should never be used when removing several sentences/paragraphs, nor any change in the content/meaning of a sentence or paragraph. All of these instances where you should not declare "minor edit" you have edits in your history in which you have improperly marked as "minor". — al-Shimoni (talk) 09:46, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

for my benefit, please state the instances/examples that caused this comment Drift chambers (talk) 09:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
There are too many to list them all. :( Another user mentioned such a case in the section below. From a quick reglance at your contributions, there are examples such your "expanding article" labeled as "minor" but by the description alone shows that it is definitely not. Moving/retitling an article is never a minor edit, yet you've done that with several articles (moving articles is such a non-minor edit that most will get reverted immediately if there hasn't already been a consensus discussion about it first). Adding categories, again. Anything that adds, takes away, or changes the meaning of a sentence/paragraph/article is not a minor edit (reverting vandalisms is an exception).
On the other hand, you have a few edits which are correctly labeled as "minor" such as wikifying terms, punctuation, correcting bad grammar (without changing the intended meaning).
When someone sees a user's contribution list and sees that most of everything is labeled "minor," people get suspicious and start looking at your edit history. Usually the only time such a thing happens is when all that someone is doing is going around and correcting spelling and grammar for an hour; your edits are clearly not all that but includes clear content changes and article moves.
Not trying to be an arse, just trying to help you out with the side-benefit of you not having people getting irritated by your edits (some might interpret this as trying to sneak edits "under the radar"). :P
As a side-comment, I'm impressed by the amount of time you've put-in in an attempt to improve articles. Far more effort than I have put into WP. — al-Shimoni (talk) 05:52, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

October 2011[edit]

Thank you for your contributions. Please remember to mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Wayne Horowitz, as "minor" only if they truly are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes, or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. In other words, there is no practical or realistic way in which all the edits you've made in creating that article could be considered "Minor". ClaretAsh (talk) 13:28, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

(content is mostly book titles), A minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. > otherwise will review my understanding as suggested. Drift chambers (talk) 15:00, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

The addition of this much content does not qualify as minor. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes, or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Addition, as with removal, of content are NOT minor changes. As myself and others have tried to communicate, marking edits as minor is not the default convention. The default is to NOT tick the "minor edit" check box when saving an edit. In other words, if in doubt, don't mark an edit as minor. ClaretAsh (talk) 00:23, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Multiple accounts[edit]

I see a total of four accounts: user:Furkaocean, user:Furkhaocean, user:Neutral current, user:Drift chambers. Do you have any others? Those four accounts have overlapping edits on 22 article pages. Multiple accounts are highly discouraged, and using multiple accounts on the same article is especially problematic. See WP:SOCK. Is there some reason you need to have so many accounts? Feel free to send me an email if the reasons are confidential. Would you object to having the other accounts blocked to prevent accidental misuse in the future?   Will Beback  talk  22:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Wayne Horowitz[edit]

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probably meets criteria from 6. The person has held a major highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society.Drift chambers (talk) 14:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC) as shown from http://www.afhu.org/law/first-israel-cuneiform-tablet-uncovered-parallels-code-hammurabi is ...Prof. Wayne Horowitz of the Hebrew University Institute of Archaeology...Drift chambers (talk) 14:22, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


Academics/professors meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable. Academics/professors meeting none of these conditions may still be notable if they meet the conditions of WP:Notability or other notability criteria, and the merits of an article on the academic/professor will depend largely on the extent to which it is verifiable. Before applying these criteria, see the detailed Notes which follow.

1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.

2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.

3. The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g. a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a Fellow of a major scholarly society for which that is a highly selective honor (e.g. the IEEE).

4. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.

5. The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or "Distinguished Professor" appointment at a major institution of higher education and research.

6. The person has held a major highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society.

7 The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.

8. The person is or has been the head or chief editor of a major well-established academic journal in their subject area.

9. The person is in a field of literature (e.g writer or poet) or the fine arts (e.g. musician, composer, artist), and meets the standards for notability in that art, such as WP:CREATIVE or WP:MUSIC.

Du-Ku[edit]

I just thought I'd let you know that I saw your article Du-Ku in the New Articles list-- Amy Z (talk) 18:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)



[1]20:29A Chattering bird builds no nest20:10 >"Lost time is never found again." Benjamin Franklin> goto [2]Drift chambers (talk) 19:30, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:1801 publications[edit]

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Merge discussion for The Legend of the destruction of mankind[edit]

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Some tips to help you out![edit]

Hi Drift chambers, I thought I'd drop a few notes on your talk page with some help on writing articles :o)

First of all, it may be best for you to do a bit of reading, starting with the Wikipedia manual of style, which will give you a lot of information about how Wikipedia prefers its articles to be written. It's not as hard to follow as it might look; quite a bit of the information there probably won't be vital for you at first.

Second, I recommend you make a user sandbox - which is just an area you can use to practise in, and to make notes in, and to get things ready in. If you click this red link: user:Drift chambers/Sandbox, that will let you create that page (it gives you an edit window to start work in). Anything, anywhere, on the help and information pages which gives you an example, try it out in your sandbox until you're familiar with it.

For your article, the next thing you want to do is start collecting as much information as you can about it. Google searches (particularly in Books and Scholar) will be your best friend for this! Once you've found the information, the next most important thing is to start writing up each fact in your own words (very important, this), and make a note at the same time of exactly where that information came from. Build in the references as you go along; I'm going to copy in, down below this, a whole heap of help on doing references, which was produced by one of our best teachers (Chzz).

Here's another place that you'll find incredibly useful - citation templates which you can copy and paste into your sandbox, between <ref></ref> tags; you just fill in the blanks from your sources into the template, and you'll end up with nicely formatted inline citations :o) It all helps. Remember to add a references section to your sandbox (make a new line, and put ==References== on it, and type {{reflist}} on the next line, so that you can see how your citations look as you do them. Remember to save your page often! You don't want to lose your work.

Hopefully this will give you a good start and make life easier for you.

One last thing to keep as a motto: "It's better to write one good, well-referenced, nicely-presented article than it is to create fifty unreferenced one-line stubs!" Pesky (talkstalk!) 13:30, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

How references work[edit]

Simple references[edit]

These require two parts;

a)
Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>

He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref>
b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";
== References ==
{{reflist}}

(an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections)

To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:Drift chambers/reftest and try it out.

Named references[edit]

Chzz was born in 1837. <ref name=MyBook>
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. 
</ref> 

Chzz lives in Footown.<ref name=MyBook/>

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

Citation templates[edit]

You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;

Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation
 | last = Smith
 | first = John
 | title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century
 | publication-date = 2001
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
}}
</ref>

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

Here's a little bit of magic which can save you an awful lot of time and effort![edit]

You might want to consider using this tool - (tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/webreflinks.py) - it makes your life a whole heap easier, by filling in complete citation templates for your links. All you do is install the script on Special:MyPage/common.js, or or Special:MyPage/vector.js, then paste the bare url (without [...] brackets) between your <ref></ref> tabs, and you'll find a clickable link called Reflinks in your toolbox section of the page (probably in the left hand column). Then click that tool. It does all the rest of the work (provided that you remember to save the page! It doesn't work for everything (particularly often not for pdf documents), but for pretty much anything ending in "htm" or "html" (and with a title) it will do really, really well all by itself. For those it can;t do by itself, it gives you a pull-down (or up) menu of templates to choose from, which you can then fill in manually. Often the problem is "No title found" - sometimes the title is obvious (especially if it's a pdf), bit, if not, just open the page yourself and choose soemthing appropriate if there's not already a clear title there. Happy editing! Pesky (talkstalk!) 13:30, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Fanya Montalvo[edit]

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Questionable WP:NOTABILITY; the two potentially-notability-generating refs, one has just a mention in a single sentence; the other is a brief odd textbook thing which, while suggesting she's a woman of achievement, makes no more claim of importance than that she went into the AI field. Other ghits and gnews hits aren't of sort that establish notability.

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Pope[edit]

Just an FYI, with the addition of a section header "Introduction" to the Pope article, there is now no lead paragraph. It is especially vital for a lengthy, high-importance article such as this one to have one or more lead paragraphs which summarize the contents of the whole article, and such a paragraph must be placed before any section headers. See MOS:LEAD for more information. Elizium23 (talk) 22:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Manual of Style does not allow a section heading for the introduction[edit]

Please stop adding ==Intriduction== to the lead section of articles. I appreciate your interest in making it easier to navigate articles but the Manual of Style does not allow a section heading for the lead paragraph. Jojalozzo 23:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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MfD nomination of User:Drift chambers/Avraham Eilam-Amzallag[edit]

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Deletion of pages in your own userspace[edit]

If you would like any pages in your userspace (i.e. that are subpages of user:Drift chambers, or their talk pages), you don't need to nominate them at MfD or RfD. These can be speedily deleted under criterion U1 - see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#U1. You just need to put {{db-author}} on the page and an administrator will be along to delete it before too long. Thryduulf (talk) 12:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC) danke [1] Drift chambers (talk) 20:13, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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Suicide categories[edit]

Hi, I just declined your request for creation of Category:Greeks who committed suicide because we already have Category:Suicides in Greece. While I had a closer look, I noticed we have a categories even more appropriate to the articles you suggest: Category:Ancient people who committed suicide and its sub-categories. Maybe that helps. Yours, Huon (talk) 17:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


Response: Possibly not the correct choice though as;

Category:Ancient people who committed suicide > A large category for all ancient people

Category:Suicides in Greece > is people who commited suicide whilst within Greece

Category:Greeks who committed suicide > people born to the Greece having then at some time committed suicide

plus

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Category:Ancient_Greeks_by_death [this the original source of Category creation request]

shows four categories is incomplete without the requested category

Drift chambers (talk) 17:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


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Greek suicides[edit]

I'd suggest we wait with populating Category:Greeks who committed suicide until after it has been moved to Category:Ancient Greeks who committed suicide; otherwise the work will have to be done twice. I am also skeptical about adding mythological persons such as Antigone or Ajax; those should not share a category with real persons. Huon (talk) 00:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Ho Ho will discuss in the morning as going to bed now, will do anyway happy editing until we meet again and toodle-pip Drift chambers (talk) 00:30, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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Apis mellifera sicula[edit]

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Homo erectus tautavelensis[edit]

Your article Homo erectus tautavelensis was a mess. There were clusters of references for every single sentence and a bunch of them didn't even relate to the information given. I used a lot of time and the default Wikipedia templates to make it more clear what information was actually present in the references you used. I'll revert you again. Please have a look at WP:REF and the tips given to you above before creating more articles. --Fama Clamosa (talk) 22:10, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

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Referencing[edit]

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Just do it! (with civility, of course!) WP:BB This editor is dis-agreeing with the claim that there hasn't been made any effort to change according to advice. and also that the situation wasn't dealt with by editors concerned in accordance with Wikipedia policy. For instance my behaviour isn't true of Signs of disruptive editing in Wikipedia:Disruptive editing nor Disruption within WP:BP there isn't a time when this editor has reverted on three seperate occasions edit wars mass reversion is inacceptable of edits without explaniation or constructive crticism considering the number of edits referenced from verifiable sources, without any effort to subsequently engage themselves with the process of editing upon the article other than to revert. "When disagreement occurs, try to the best of your ability to explain and resolve the problem, not cause more conflict" (WP:AGF) I don't see as yet anyone concerned has made any constructive change to the article other than to revert another edit. This isn't a re-solving of the situation just editors without sufficient confidence in their own abilities (with respect to philosophy - other than CRGreathouse) and apparently with nothing to add, attempting to bluntly and clumsily copyedit an article without due attention to Wikipedia policy. the actions of these editors is not in keeping with a scholarly and intelligent activity, and is only the efforts of person's disinterested in the subject trying to further there own personal or egoistic agenda, abuse procedure (in the interest of cruel fun or amusement) and gain some sense of superiority when the object of the task of editing is in the writing and not in an attempt at character assassination or the discrediting of anothers efforts. Perhaps if editors had engaged in a constructive effort to add something to the article while criticising this editor then the result would not have become as poisoned and one-sided. The whole occurance seems indicative of rash judgement without the investigative efforts necessary into the actual nature of edits nor an intelligent critical activity upon material that did infact contain bona fide content, as is shown by an article that now yet again is all but the same to the aticle prior to any effort made by this editor. Drift chambers (talk) 12:05, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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anyway just to show that isn't necessarily correct to block was just trying to save this to CRGreathouse: (11:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC) for referenced version see below (via this link) Drift chambers (talk) 13:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC))


infinity (philosophy) isn't a mathematical article primarily. As a defining quality the concept of infinity is something having no limit none whatsoever. So there is no sentence using the word "infinity" that would also include a comparison to quantity, other than in a use of the symbol that used in mathamatics, meaning tending to infinity. (as according to the Big Bang theory or otherwise ) If a person were to think of the Universe and all the instances where infinity is included necessarily in order to understand something, then there is only one type of spatial infinity, that is imagining the distance in any direction, passing in the imagination away from Earth to the place in the Universe where everything is expanding into (the receptacle = the vacuum of space) and at the place where being in an imaginary location seeing the blackness of space where there is nothing. In imagining this view then only then is the uselessness of the idea apparent ( and even the most distant object observable has some use, because the information from observation is useful to science). Cosmological infinity though is only darkness, in that since a singularity would have a limited mass, then a limited Universal is necessitated. If the universe contains infinite mass the light of stars from these masses doesn't reach Earth (obviously) (referenced to → W. Olber NIRCam for JWST - University of Arizona Retrieved 2012-03-05 ]) The light from formations are themselves bounded i.e. have boundaries are the limits, the no limits therefore is the black part of the Universe. For practical purposes, interstellar flight or observation of supra-far stellar objects, not being possible, a person is then only able to conclude in the imagination that infinity is located in the unknown of the black part of astronomical images.

Since there is no evidence from science to show the nature of the absolute furthest object as no view of the Universe imaged from telescopy is ever proof that even if a total blackness seeming to be an endless void were found through observation, that there were not another similar chaotic grouping of stellar objects i.e. another Universe at even further distances beyond the capabilities of technology to ever observe, even if suppose interstellar travel were made possible.

Therefore there is absolutely no way to solve these things. In looking into history one finds the infinite in philosophical contemplation that does need to include an element of belief, as uncertainty caused by the incomprehensible nature of thinking should one dwell on these thoughts, there is also the sense that the earth (firstly) and the cosmos (that is made part of earth by photographs) includes something that will never be made a material part of earthly life. Really contemplation does seem to return to a query of how everything on earth and observed in space are having edges and are measurable, but infinity is beyond human i.e. incommensurable. In that all things that are measurable are human and all things purely infinite are not.

Also in the universe that does contain infinity, then this necessitates either a universe without meaning, ie. a physical universe that is totally without any respect to humanity, ie. a godless Universe, or having something that is something to explain the limitation on understanding of the infinite that is making the concept unresolvable in human thought but at the same time necessitated by science and realities of observation. Drift chambers (talk) 11:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)



although admittedly having not checked CRGreathouse response on the talk page before reverting his edits, therefore might have been the wrong choice by me as having placed my own revertion and the explanation above in a risky order i.e. the revertion first and the explanation second , there-by possiblyhaving made my situation worse.

never-the-less WP:REVEXP > It is particularly important to provide a valid and informative explanation when you perform a reversion. Try to disclose the link for the Wikipedia principle you believe justifies the reversion.

"I don't see how adding that category would be " & "I don't see why the article would merit the category" is honest but uninformative and isn't helpful to my own advancement of understanding, since CRGreathouse hasn't provided any additional information to help me understand his reasoning.Drift chambers (talk) 11:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

and also CRGreathouse didn't provide a link to Wikipedia policy which caused me to doubt the validity of the editors reversion , and think that the choice were made only by the editor, in his educated opinion, and not in accordance with practice of Wikipedia, which as some-one might observe for themselves User :Drift chambers has infact attempted to adhere to in edit 10:10, 8 March 2012‎ of the article Drift chambers (talk) 11:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


since the edit of 14:10, 27 February 2012‎ ClaretAsh(talk | contribs)‎ . . (14,222 bytes) (-92,403)‎ . . (Reverting to stable version as the article has become an indecipherable morass of terrible english, random quotes and content of unclear significance.) would hope that

"random quotes and content of unclear significance"

is a comment on the inclusion of non-philosophical information (under the heading > Earlier cultural precedents of 7 March) , since in edit 18:14, 7 March 2012‎ Drift chambers has included a reference of a reliable source that validates some inclusion at least of Hesiod, this being - R. D. McKirahan - Philosophy before Socrates: an introduction with texts and commentary p.7-13 Hackett Publishing, 1994 Retrieved 2012-02-07 this reference was located by this editor at a time after the initial writing (so wasn't included initially as had no contact with the source)Drift chambers (talk) 12:04, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

for sure is considered by this editor that the reverted article > 01:49, 27 February 2012 contains information unnecessary, the parts shown in the Contents as 14 - 23 (not including 17) ,

the parts 7 & 8 (and probably 13) might have been retained by Claret Ash instead of entirely reverting. So was felt by User D-c- that the reversion wasn't very well thought through and was an attempt at damage limitation, without any thought on communication with User:D-c-, in good-faith., especially since the so called stable version was without any mention of Ancient Greek civility, other than containing a lede sentence without any relevant content to which the lede is referring, and to say all modern thought began with Aristotle, together with no inline citation. The article at that stage >[3] is deceptive to the naive reader. So was only in the interests of the reader and my own development of understanding through research that so much information seemingly irrelevant (WP:NOTFORUM) and admittedly not the most attentively scrutinized by myself might have been included. Was wanting only to begin a process of collaborative editing, and had to proceed alone thorugh the article from the 02:58, 3 January 2012‎ article, without peer-review.

So my own understanding was developed (did benefit) by the total reversions, but a better choice was availble to ClaretAsh > WP:PRESERVE especially since "If you think a page needs to be rewritten or changed substantially go ahead and do it, but preserve any content you think might have some value on the talk page, along with a comment about why you made the change. Do not remove good information solely because it is poorly presented; instead, improve the presentation by rewriting the passage."

in admittance as to my own fault this lies in not being the most intelligent about the subject , "Primary (original) research" > WP:NOTFORUM, and sourcing information while attempting to add relevant information immediately in the hope an authority might arrive to correctly copyedit the article, which didn't happen. Instead the entire article was reverted (14:10, 27 February 2012)‎ at which time no attempt was made by the reverting editor to communicate in any way afterwards other than > 22:51, 5 March 2012‎ ClaretAsh(talk | contribs)‎ . . (14,217 bytes) (-11,203)‎ . . (Please discuss changes on the talk page prior to editing.)Drift chambers (talk) 12:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Competency is required

having proceeded with edits to the article at least in an attempt to locate as much information about the subject for someone to find the information useful for article development, which does slightly jeopardize the integrity of the article is in accordance with > WP:DEVELOP in that my primary goal was to locate as much relevant research and since the article is still at the start stage.

The harm in my own opinion is that Claret Ash didn't preserve the information relevant nor add anything to the article, so the editors actions seemed destructive.

So "..Social incompetence.." on my part might be considered resulting from Claret Ash (although acting in the interests of wikipedia) not acting in accordance with WP:CANTFIX and myself having the opinion that editors are here to provide good editing and create an encyclopedia firstly, not to make discussion and interesting talk-pages to avoid spending too much time in discussion while the article remains unchanged.Drift chambers (talk) 13:09, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

seemed more important to include the inforamtion than not (justification for inclusionist tendency) → W. Byers - The Blind Spot: Science and the Crisis of Uncertainty "philosophy of math without math is sterile bu math without meaning is doomed to it's own form of sterility"





infinity (philosophy) isn't a mathematical article primarily. As a defining quality the concept of infinity is something having no limit none whatsoever. So there is no sentence using the word "infinity" that would also include a comparison to quantity, other than in a use of the symbol that used in mathamatics, meaning tending to infinity. (as according to the Big Bang theory or otherwise ) If a person were to think of the Universe and all the instances where infinity is included necessarily in order to understand something, then there is only one type of spatial infinity, that is imagining the distance in any direction, passing in the imagination away from Earth to the place in the Universe where everything is expanding into (the receptacle = the vacuum of space) and at the place where being in an imaginary location seeing the blackness of space where there is nothing. In imagining this view then only then is the uselessness of the idea apparent ( and even the most distant object observable has some use, because the information from observation is useful to science). Cosmological infinity though is only darkness, in that since a singularity would have a limited mass, then a limited Universal is necessitated. If the universe contains infinite mass the light of stars from these masses doesn't reach Earth (obviously) (referenced to → W. Olber NIRCam for JWST - University of Arizona Retrieved 2012-03-05 ]) The light from formations are themselves bounded i.e. have boundaries are the limits, the no limits therefore is the black part of the Universe. For practical purposes, interstellar flight or observation of supra-far stellar objects, not being possible, a person is then only able to conclude in the imagination that infinity is located in the unknown of the black part of astronomical images.

Since there is no evidence from science to show the nature of the absolute furthest object as no view of the Universe imaged from telescopy is ever proof that even if a total blackness seeming to be an endless void were found through observation, that there were not another similar chaotic grouping of stellar objects i.e. another Universe at even further distances beyond the capabilities of technology to ever observe, even if suppose interstellar travel were made possible.

Therefore there is absolutely no way to solve these things. In looking into history one finds the infinite in philosophical contemplation that does need to include an element of belief, as uncertainty caused by the incomprehensible nature of thinking should one dwell on these thoughts, there is also the sense that the earth (firstly) and the cosmos (that is made part of earth by photographs) includes something that will never be made a material part of earthly life. Really contemplation does seem to return to a query of how everything on earth and observed in space are having edges and are measurable, but infinity is beyond human i.e. incommensurable. In that all things that are measurable are human and all things purely infinite are not.

Also in the universe that does contain infinity, then this necessitates either a universe without meaning, ie. a physical universe that is totally without any respect to humanity, ie. a godless Universe, or having something that is something to explain the limitation on understanding of the infinite that is making the concept unresolvable in human thought but at the same time necessitated by science and realities of observation. Drift chambers (talk) 11:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)Drift chambers (talk) 13:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


references[edit]

Retrieved March 6th → "spatial infinity" - A. Einstein, S. W. Hawking A stubbornly persistent illusion: the essential scientific works of Albert Einstein Running Press, 27 Nov 2007


→ "The Boundary conditions..." H A Lorentz, A Einstein, H Minkowski, H Weyl The principle of relativity: a collection of original memoirs on the special and general theory of relativity


Retrieved March 7th

"From out of that which things arise, there also does their destruction (or dissolution) occur, according to necessity; for they render justice and recompense to one another for their injustice, according to the orderly arrangement of time." → Anaximander (Edward Moore , Heidegger - 'De-Mything' the Logos: Anaximander's Apeiron and the Possibility of a Post-Metaphysical Understanding of the Incarnation

online bookstore information

Blackwell reference online dio: 10.1111/b.9781405106795.2004.x

→ (criticism of sources, i.e. Plato hostile to Sophists (re-iteration of earlier unshown source ) R.D. McKirahan

reference for absolute nothing + "Anthropic cosmogony" The Principle of Sufficient Reason and Absolute Nothing - J. Schleberg : Apeiron - The Journal of Philosophy and Religion at Washington College Volume 9, April 2011

the notion that contemplation of the infinite is labyrinthine, but not like a labyrinth De immenso, De minimo and De infinito : Giordani Bruno's micro and infinite universe and the "A-centric labyrinth" of Modern cosmology and it's philosophical constraints M.C.D.Newes Physics Department, University of Maringa Apeiron Volume 8 No.1 January 2001 → Inertia and infinity in the physics of Giordana Bruno - M.C.D.Newes

European Graduate School EGS.

→ Einstein Poincare and the Ether - G.Granek Haifa University citing Mach, -

March 2012[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Infinity_(philosophy). Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Support for Infinity categories : Reality, Religious philosophical , and philosophical concept[edit]


reverted from article 19:22, 7 March 2012‎ by CRGreathouse (revert; I looked at the new categories but even those weren't useful -- Category:Philosophical concepts is the only one that really seems to fit, but it's redundant with Concepts in metaphysics) Drift chambers (talk) 19:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)





Category : Reality



....The Greek thinkers in general asked what is the permanent reality that underlies diversity and change of the visible world around us... > A short history of philosophy (1922 - Third Edition) http://www.archive.org/stream/ashorthistoryofp00alexuoft#page/n19/mode/2up Author: Alexander, Archibald Browning Drysdale, 1855-1931Publisher: Glasgow Maclehose, Jackson

infinity is a metaphysical subject Michael Heller, W. Hugh Woodin Infinity: New Research Frontiers - Notes on the concept of the Infinite in the History of Western Metaphysics by D.B.Hart -http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PVNbIGS37wMC&pg=PA255&lpg=PA255&dq=metaphysics+is++infinity&source=bl&ots=-aq2RCfb0i&sig=VI1JhjEuhTDhRDkzCv5iUB8NSFI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qVRaT6OJI9On8QOS870-&ved=0CCgQ6AEwATgU#v=onepage&q=metaphysics%20is%20%20infinity&f=false Cambridge University Press, 7 Feb 2011 Drift chambers (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


.. Perhaps the most familiar context for discussing infinity is in metaphysics and theology..> (reference contains adverts http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/287662/infinity/252429/Metaphysical-infinities)

J. A. Benardete - Infinity: an essay in metaphysics > http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Infinity.html?id=wMgtAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y Drift chambers (talk) 19:05, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


metaphysics has reality as a subject

... Metaphysics is a systematic attempt to answer the question: What is reality? > http://www.plymouth.edu/department/history-philosophy/what-is/

... Metaphysics is that portion of philosophy which treats of the most general and fundamental principles underlying all reality > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10226a.htm

Conclusion

category metaphysics is helpful for someone to learn the boundary and content of the sub-dicipline metaphysics

category reality is helpful should a person want to engage in actual metaphysical speculation or study


Drift chambers (talk) 07:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)




... In general...the description of metaphysics as the study of (the nature of) reality seems preferable... > Reality: fundamental topics in metaphysics Peter Loptsonhttp://books.google.co.uk/books?id=J3MBTOq__nAC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=metaphysics+is+investigating+reality&source=bl&ots=OIWS1V_oG4&sig=04ExR0vi75O0gjqimNiK89_RfvU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R09aT_GxCafB0QWbqOnmDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=metaphysics%20is%20investigating%20reality&f=false University of Ottawa Press, 15 Apr 2009

.. According to Anaximenes, the basic stuff of the world is air. It is both boundless as is underlying reality according to Anaximander, and specific, one of the four elements, as on Thales view... > http://bellevuecollege.edu/

Drift chambers (talk) 19:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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... in truth the potentially infinite has only a borrowed reality, insofar as a potentially infinite concept always points towards a logically prior actually infinite concept whose existence it depends on. Cantor http://www.gap-system.org/~history/HistTopics/Infinity.html Drift chambers (talk) 22:22, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=eAA4AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=metaphysics+and+infinity&source=bl&ots=jBnSzrZoVg&sig=TBabHsDoJnLxccV7zagkjStSkKM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oIRaT9vGAY6r8AOTkdCSDw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=metaphysics%20and%20infinity&f=false Metaphysics: Its Structure and Function By Stephan Körner > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=eAA4AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=metaphysics+and+infinity&source=bl&ots=jBnSzrZoVg&sig=TBabHsDoJnLxccV7zagkjStSkKM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oIRaT9vGAY6r8AOTkdCSDw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=%20infinity&f=false Drift chambers (talk) 22:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Metaphysics: Concept and Problems By Theodor W. Adorno, Rolf Tiedemann , Stanford University Press, 1 Oct 2002 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TnUsMOoAm0AC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=metaphysics+and+infinity&source=bl&ots=fYfdlfziqw&sig=r1K7YN23CkfILpTtVwakRB67uuw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oIRaT9vGAY6r8AOTkdCSDw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=metaphysics%20and%20infinity&f=false Drift chambers (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2012 (UTC) > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TnUsMOoAm0AC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=metaphysics+and+infinity&source=bl&ots=fYfdlfziqw&sig=r1K7YN23CkfILpTtVwakRB67uuw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oIRaT9vGAY6r8AOTkdCSDw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=%20infinity&f=false Drift chambers (talk) 22:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)






Category : Religious philosophical concepts




... Perhaps the most familiar context for discussing infinity is in metaphysics and theology...

> (contains adverts http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/287662/infinity/252429/Metaphysical-infinities)


Arvind Sharma Fragments of infinity: essays in religion and philosophy : a festschrift in honour of Professor Huston Smith Prism, 1991 http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Fragments_of_infinity.html?id=YrAqAQAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y


Infinity: From the Ionian Philosophers to Aristotle 1. The Presocratic Philosophers: The Ionians, Pythagoras, Parmenides, and Democritus 2. Plato and Aristotle – II. The Reflections of Thomas Aquinas and the Theological Significance of the Notion of Infinity – III. Infinity within Galilean and Newtonian Science – IV. The Infinity of Cantor 1. Three Kinds of Infinity 2. The Notion of Transfinite 3. The Power of the Continuum: From the Antinomy of the Power Set to the Axiom of the Power Set – V. Concluding Observations http://www.disf.org/en/Voci/13.asp - Gianfranco Basti


Infinity is a concept of the utmost importance in Christian philosophy and theology. Zimmerman, O. (1910). Infinity. In The Catholic Encyclopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08004a.htm

Graham, Loren R. Naming infinity : a true story of religious mysticism and ... www.math.nsc.ru/LBRT/g2/english/ssk/naming_infinity.pdf

Emanuel Swedenborg, John Chadwick ..the infinity of God... The true Christian religion: containing the complete theology of the New Church as foretold by the Lord in Daniel 7:13, 14 and in Revelation 21:2, 3http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ozxNu_uJ8tUC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=infinity+and+religion&source=bl&ots=iwDpKvMoUr&sig=0W1cbaMMecoWI93M_dJK-EYSl0c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=twRbT5iPOIOp0QXStLnBDQ&ved=0CHsQ6AEwCTge# The Swedenborg Society, 1 Jan 1988


Chapter 45. God, Time, and Infinity Melville Y. Stewart William Lane Craig Research ProfessorPublished Online: 29 JAN 2010

DOI: 10.1002/9781444317350.ch45 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781444317350.ch45/summary


Religion: beyond a concept - Hent de Vries - http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nI3i94U3NAMC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=infinity+and+religion&source=bl&ots=UNFDdS3CMq&sig=Q8M4TwvztLWyr4XbnEOBBbnWqEk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YwZbT9yjNYHX0QXqkfnQCw&ved=0CGQQ6AEwCThG#v=onepage&q=infinity%20and%20religion&f=false

...As part of an expected further study into the role of infinity in stimulating contacts among religion, knowledge and art in Western culture... in - Infinity on the Threshold of Christianity: The Emergence of a positive concept out of negativity - R.Undusk - (Estonian Academy Publishers) https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:EecEtDePXD8J:www.kirj.ee/public/trames_pdf/2009/issue_4/trames-2009-4-307-340.pdf+&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi7z2WP-ymIb2xMBhrtpok3zLEnXduQM3l0hUwgqTUy7_Hcvfy7x3ay7U1ixB9JlsFcVeP7QF-BOSiICMtJYuqdnWIH3j_Yx57ALQzxR-LCLbKo_VTEJFTHTiKvoxTiJcCcetMz&sig=AHIEtbRXoRa2BG-yOxr7Nsv7Wxx24-xMVw&pli=1

Drift chambers (talk) 07:56, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


(secondary) The Active Side of Infinity - Carlos Castaneda - http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-06-019220-4

Math2033 University of Arkansas http://130.184.5.79/wiki/index.php/Infinity#Religion_and_Infinity.C2.A0

5. in From Religion to Faith: Levinasian Ethics and the Grammar of Address Carl Raschke University of Denver http://www.jcrt.org/archives/04.1/raschke.shtml

Infinity in Science and Religion : The creative role of thinking about infinity - W.Achtner - https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:36HvD1Nd3JgJ:wwww.metanexus.org/archive/conference2004/pdf/achtner.pdf+&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjBCkyxtWakubSEx5T7XPjAeB4h32ZokZGW7eRuabPAI637RvzODIfIV1rwjR2U997m8DvAr4NT3QZtChweyVcDwtOBxEuRZ4rTSB6-_14Ov49QHRQE3uxeDzBZLdsnSGiebtTS&sig=AHIEtbQFRLSpd4vn5ArvJxrZL2n3i3wJFQ


G. Oppy - Philosophical Perspectives on Infinity ...provisional title God and Infinity... https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:tsup03dG490J:assets.cambridge.org/97805218/60673/frontmatter/9780521860673_frontmatter.pdf+&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi_HA6ZjKMEGtP60ugrIfi9CAHSa0ol6X9ohSIF_f4nkwiOPd54849Y7AbjG0qxI_ln7SPTfTXuwWCD713NRxjAwQQHly3nkNf6hiKHVrlSJzpJPfbWGYM25TIaKlJxRttJ5eAm&sig=AHIEtbQq2uCGHm-1k_S1P3MloyLGDbZFWw

Drift chambers (talk) 08:20, 10 March 2012 (UTC)





Category:Philosophical concepts



is helpful as categorized as this, for the reader wanting to learn about a broader range of subjects than just metaphysical, should the person have navigated to the article via the category from another page


Badino, Massimiliano (2004) The Concept of Infinity in Modern Cosmology http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/1756/

....Is there a difference between the mathematical concept of infinity and infinity in terms, say, of space or time—the philosophical concept?... > see [4] [5]

...Infinity is a concept of the utmost importance in Christian philosophy and theology.... http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08004a.htm

.... concepts of infinity in theories of space and time... http://www.cambridge.org/aus/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521860673&ss=exc (7th paragraph)Philosophical Perspectives on Infinity Graham Oppy Monash University, Victoria

....This is a seminar on the history of the concept of infinity ... https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:lXl0lk2cNSMJ:www.college.ucla.edu/ge/meetings/111007_PHILOS_98T.pdf+the+philosophical+concept+infinity&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjNY5IxZm2A6HX_DVk-bpVa4Rw8i2hdsdwT5eTW6jYOwPPpA348sWPw6VvDOZyIzZhrMDqS_G_gxeAaAop8UieINWkIXb4TGfzGdL2Q4CH3JjjsECIPO6dT20xzxZg__0e0S2dn&sig=AHIEtbRoowPBZHX2UmRQiBMacrxNkiwXFQ E. Nutting - UCLA

Leibniz conception of Quantity, Number and Infinity http://www.jstor.org/stable/2182236 Nicholas Rescher The Philosophical Review Vol. 64, No. 1 (Jan., 1955), pp. 108-114 Published by: Duke University Press

...the relationship between the concept of infinity and Zeno's paradoxes... https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:iDKhUmJk-w8J:commonsenseatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Dombrowski-Oppy-infinity-and-the-neoclassical-concept-of-god.PDF+the+philosophical+concept+infinity&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj5FNu6cKPfOIScyqSYudZCArzUboqu1HK_b_XYokvQWoV9HID1T_s2VlD5I3-HA9ReI_LXNv8lhxO7yy9Bc8KOgdEVZmj1OskDKXvmTEeA5XaFm28JxFHZUxqZHUTX38MFU3-d&sig=AHIEtbR8HgINth1znlSXFHmE5-zNXt8kdw Oppy, infinity and the neoclassical concept of God - D.A.Dombrowski

The concept of infinity in Western and Eastern philosophies... https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:EoY5_nBSZ6UJ:www.uofr.net/~sam/history/infinite/katie.matt.pdf+the+philosophical+concept+infinity&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiclreQtZZNxyxhMi4YodI3VP8Y0wxQaYVbzl8qxzWT6B8jKtfOr-zQ1n8MTQBWYiMK6_LfDi8IoWOKQuL9KUiiXkJM7WofzwcURbPKyT6Yd07M1VHVhoPgcaHk82X-TzpjM3h8&sig=AHIEtbTxsVrDHRaqppnEqx57kHbbsJGgKQ

http://ndpr.nd.edu/news/25942-infinity-new-research-frontiers/ Notre Dame New Research Frontiers .... The concept of the Infinite... Michael Heller and W. Hugh Woodin (eds.), Infinity: New Research Frontiers, Cambridge University Press, 2011, 311pp., $99.00 (hbk), ISBN 9781107003873.

Drift chambers (talk) 22:22, 9 March 2012 (UTC)







έξ ὦν δέ ή γένεσίς έστι τοίς οὖσι καί τήν φθοράν είς ταύτα γίνεσθαι κατά τό χρεών· διδόναι γὺρ αὐτὰ δίκην ἀλλήλοις κατά τὴν τοὓ χρόνου τάξιν[edit]

first translation bears little resemblance formally to given (ἄπειρον)

Martin Heidegger the Anaximander Fragment David Farrell Krell Arion New Series, Vol. 1, No. 4 (1973/1974), pp. 576-626Published by: Trustees of Boston University Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/20163348

Martin Heidegger Basic concepts http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ntczsA7GusAC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=Anaximander&f=false Drift chambers Indiana University Press, 1998 Edited and Translated by Gary E.Aylesworth http://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/greek_ancient.htm

S. Marc Cohen, Patricia Curd, C. D. C. Reeve Readings in Ancient Greek Philosophy: From Thales to Aristotle http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pFEII68kmVsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ancient+greek+philosophers+original&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FBtbT8fOIqem0QWAp9jMDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ancient%20greek%20philosophers%20original&f=false Hackett Publishing, 11 May 2011


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https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Mfp0gBvamG0J:www.unc.edu/~plmiller/docs/Phil528_Spring2007_Heidegger_Anaximander_GreekLexicon.pdf+&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjei1h6NJHTyLz-VKCRZYFXbePKOcApLJkjbFEdRcmL9yGXs2cfLrEgnn-k6Ak0ZztqLTASMlmgrhMHfnKLdlafnhjUlTIpbuVsS4aUVyhha4M1FMNyg6LFTC-7mR3nULezhT40&sig=AHIEtbSbCgj2I3Go6lKIpX_dIJ5j2M8_-w

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Giannis Stamatellos - Plotinus and the presocratics: a philosophical study of presocratic influences in Plotinus' Enneads (Google eBook) http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0r0yH93JWOIC&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=the+fragments+of+the+presocratics+Anaximander&source=bl&ots=UwnLtjcmN3&sig=KYC0-5GSthSfOAlNRcMWIaPwifg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gzlbT9e4IMqQ0AW-o9DQAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CGUQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=the%20fragments%20of%20the%20presocratics%20Anaximander&f=false SUNY Press, 2007

ἄπειρον , TO ἄπειρον

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uncertainty

Jonathan Barnes The Presocratic Philosophers http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wrNzVF5julgC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=the+fragments+of+the+presocratics+Anaximander&source=bl&ots=6Pkn9O-q98&sig=SfthpYZDYDAqI6DggspDrnaLjww&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YjtbT7HxNKnT0QXazdHfDQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=Anaximander%20said%20that%20the%20unlimited%20is%20principle%20and%20element%2C%20not%20distinguishing%20it%20as%20air%20or%20water%20or%20anything%20else%20(17%3AII.%20I%3DA%201%3Acf%20Aetius%20A%2014)&f=false & http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wrNzVF5julgC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=the+fragments+of+the+presocratics+Anaximander&source=bl&ots=6Pkn9O-q98&sig=SfthpYZDYDAqI6DggspDrnaLjww&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YjtbT7HxNKnT0QXazdHfDQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAzgK# Routledge, 1 Jan 2002


Gregory Vlastos, Daniel W. Graham Studies in Greek Philosophy: The Presocratics http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pdyX6LyXQa0C&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=the+fragments+of+the+presocratics+Anaximander&source=bl&ots=0dOpUfZKTy&sig=DynrqLzvM_UyMlCHvVSxIJ43rH4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YjtbT7HxNKnT0QXazdHfDQ&ved=0CGMQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=infinite%20Anaximander&f=false Princeton University Press, 1995

Cambridge University Press, 24 Apr 1986 W. K. C. Guthrie A History of Greek Philosophy: The Later Plato and the Academy

infinite > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=S_OSjXA-7U8C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=infinite&f=false

apeiron + peras > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Z2MVAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA423&lpg=PA423&dq=apeiron+peras&source=bl&ots=1Bl5HXs2eI&sig=QxzLPVDlTFC1QQJBLkAUpXHidXM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5D1bT4OgH-So0QWghrHXDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CG4Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=apeiron%20peras&f=false An examination of Plato's doctrines I. M. Crombie 0 Reviews Taylor & Francis, 1979 - 573 pages

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Reverting[edit]

The information below is study on reverting and editorial procedure Drift chambers (talk) 11:00, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

from disputed edit 14:10, 27 February 2012‎ in Infinity (philosophy) > (Reverting to stable version as the article has become an indecipherable morass of terrible english, random quotes and content of unclear significance.) Drift chambers (talk) 19:28, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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reversion > JohnBlackburne please goto > Drift chamber response Drift chambers (talk) 17:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)Drift chambers (talk) 19:06, 10 March 2012 (UTC) Drift chambers (talk) 19:23, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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Kww(talk) 03:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

...competency necessary to work collaboratively.... I don't see that any of the editors concerned actually have anything to contribute to the article infinity (philosophy), if so why did none of the other editors concerned make any additions to the article, why are none of the editors making any additions in my abscence. yet again no information on the Talk page, which contained information put there by myself, yet again reverted with criticisms of my behaviour and instructions to discuss on the Talk page that has had all the information added to it by myself reverted, on what grounds? with what reason?Drift chambers (talk) 12:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC) how to work collaboratively with editors that only revert and don't offer some direct instruction, guidance or input to the actual material content of the article. In my edits there was already some effort by myself to work collaboratively with the edits reverted by CRGreathouse, the counter-argumant of his/her observation in 19:22, 7 March 2012‎ provided in 14:35, 10 March 2012‎ Drift chambers (talk) 12:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)}}


  • Of the 5058 edits that you have made to articles, how many of them were not quickly reverted? You have been advised of the 5 pillars; you have been advised of the manual of style. No far, you cannot follow either. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

do you know the number of revertions of 5058 because I don't. perhaps you'd like to provide some intelligence to an otherwise unknowing User such as to myself as to the actual number, unless the suggestion is that I go through and find how many were reverted which isn't itself proof of anything Drift chambers (talk) 12:19, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

show me where, the time and reason I was advised of these things, why it is that I was requiring to look into re-learning these things. Drift chambers (talk) 12:22, 11 March 2012 (UTC)





the definition of incoherent is "expressed in an incomprehensible or confusing way unclear" http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/incoherent




Wikipedia:Dispute resolution states Stay in the top three sections of this pyramid. The claim of "incoherent" seems to be an indication of criticisms from within the yellow or orange of the pyramid, while my own writing seems most likely "Counter-Argument" or "Refutes".

The claim of social competence Where is this true of the situation ? >

As communication with this editor appears impossible, I've tried rewriting their edits in an effort to show them how it's done. But, aside from tidying an article, this has not worked.

where else has this not worked other than infinity (philosophy) , to which ClaretAsh provided no constructive changes only revertion ?

there has obviously been some mis-understanding as ...Drift chamber's speaking style... as this isn't possible, there aren't any voices being heard on this side of the computer screen only reading other editors writing, so isn't the correct addressing of the situation, how to address an editor who feels that someone is speaking when all that is occuring is print on a screen, there is no noise to hear. This seems like some attempt at Sounds something like of the pyramid or if not that then definately attacks the characteristics ... of the writer It's curious to think of how my own speaking style from the other side of a computer screen has any relevancy to the Nature of philosophical Infinity at all. Perhaps the editor chose poorly his/her means of communication.

Any way an editor with the focus appropriate for writing an article would put the minor errors of communication aside in the interest of article development.

In this example > [6] the communication seems adequate, as all person's within the section have understood each other, and no harm was done to article by myself. In [7] The only problem of communication is with the editor Claret Ash, infact ClaretAsh is the only person in this example having made an error of judgement. The problem is again resolved satisfactorily in any case. Drift chambers (talk) 09:04, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

This is an effort to communicate with Claret Ash > 19:21, 10 March 2012‎ as a result of the previous ANI investigation, that was made by myself in order to improve communication and at least begin a process of dialogue to improve the article. No response has been sent, infact no effort made to communicate anything to this editor (myself) about the article content deleted from the article and placed in the talk-page as shown > here

Since all the information added to the article was reverted by ClaretAsh initially, on what grounds does the editor feel the actual information wis invalid ? The editor seems more concerned with my own behaviour than with the content of the material added by myself, which might have been adapted or re-added in a more satisfactory way, in his/her own opinion.

No effort has been made to communicate by Claret Ash about the content of the article, no effort has been made to engage myself with any argument or even to provide guidance on the subject of the article. this seems to be because the editors concerned don't know anything about the subject. Having done edits amounting to 400+ research on the subject, plus my own private research, this seems altogether un-balanced an outcome. In an effort to improve an article that has for nearly five years contained information that has been unreferenced and provides no referenced information as to Ancient Greek sources, in any way. Drift chambers (talk) 09:22, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


What exactly are "Of particular note are the user's edits" in the articles El-Tod & Isaac Newton's religious views in what way are these particularly a mistake.

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Drift chambers (talk) 09:48, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


Here are all the efforts to engage as directed by the previous ANI process > in Talk for other users [8] & [9] including the research from the article that having become reverted still contained some information of relevance so was placed on the Infinity (philosophy) Talk page. On what grounds has this now been removed plus, the categories placed on the article, of which no Counter-Argument or Refutation has been provided to against the evidence for their inclusion here. On what grounds is it necessary to remove the categories, on what grounds, with what evidence being used support their removal ? (other than an editor having personal characteristics criticised)Drift chambers (talk) 09:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

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decision is unfair, "I see no sign that you are capable of making valuable changes to Wikipedia". there are 6,154 edits still inplace, plus 136 articles created by User :Drift chambers, the decision is obviously a mistake, [10] [11] I would like to have some clarification as to how there has become a serious breach by myself anyway, of Wikipedia's policies to warrant indefinite blocking. I would appreciate some clarification as to what was done by myself that was inappropriate for this site, so as to confirm that I won't do it again What is the exact nature of my incompetence (Clearly, every editor is incompetent for some subjects, so it is important to know or discover your limitations).within Wikipedia:Competency is required ? please return a response that shows link(s) to Wikipedia policy my behaviour isn't true of Signs of disruptive editing in Wikipedia:Disruptive editing nor Disruption within WP:BP Drift chambers (talk) 12:03, 11 March 2012 (UTC) ...competency necessary to work collaboratively.... I don't see that any of the editors concerned actually have anything to contribute to the article infinity (philosophy), if so why did none of the other editors concerned make any additions to the article, why are none of the editors making any additions in my abscence. yet again no information on the Talk page, which contained information put there by myself, yet again reverted with criticisms of my behaviour and instructions to discuss on the Talk page that has had all the information added to it by myself reverted, on what grounds? with what reason?Drift chambers (talk) 12:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC) how to work collaboratively with editors that only revert and don't offer some direct instruction, guidance or input to the actual material content of the article. In my edits there was already some effort by myself to work collaboratively with the edits reverted by CRGreathouse, the counter-argumant of his/her observation in 19:22, 7 March 2012‎ provided in 14:35, 10 March 2012‎ Drift chambers (talk) 12:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

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Research on blocking[edit]

Drift chambers (talk) 10:58, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

a false argument by Claret Ash

Arbitration Committee > primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. 10:58

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Reason

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The previous block is due to an administrator believing you have insufficient competence to edit, you will need to demonstrate that is no longer an issue. The fact you are now unable to use this account but did not explain this in your unblock statement below does not instil confidence that you now possess sufficient competence to edit. I'd welcome a much expanded rationale on why you should be unblocked and allowed to edit again, so consider this a sort of preliminary decline that can easily be reviewed and reversed in the next few hours or days. Nick (talk) 20:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

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to begin:

the page i found this template on states :

"Requests for unblock is when a blocked user believes that his or her blocking from editing has been unjust and wishes to contest the block. It is often used when administrators make mistakes in policy, or maybe that that editor was involved in a dispute and was unfairly treated."

so, firstly; the template i used here was the only one i could find on this occasion, and secondly, it isn't my intention to discredit , or bring into question the acts of administrators. That i was blocked was an administrial descision, and therefore beyond my practical scope to understand. All i want to say is that, and to re-iterate (again) : my behaviour at that time was unacceptable, but at this time i would welcome mentoring and guidance on my editorial decisions. Also, that is the nature of my appeal, to bring to the attention of those powers concerned that, this editor is willing to change and understands previous (previous) mistakes, which he has no intention of continuing or making again.

so this previous User would welcome contributions from editors concerned and who ever else feels some thing needs to be added.

Thank you to those concerned, whatever the outcome, for your time and patience (which i hope will be given to this User) 109.204.66.81 (talk) 20:19, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Reviewing admins: Note that I have been in communication with Drift chambers via UTRS. Given that there block was partially based on an ANI discussion, that other admins had declined to unblock, and that nearly two years had passed since the block, I thought it would be best to have them post their unblock appeal here for discussion at AN. The user no longer has access to their old password, which is why they have not logged in. Other than volunteering to post their appeal at AN as a neutral party, I do not intend to participate in the unblock debate.--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 20:36, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok Nick. Thank you. I expect it will be in the next few days you will receive the rationale, rather than hours. 109.204.66.81 (talk) 20:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Can you explain to me how your edits will differ from the edits you made shortly before you were blocked?—Kww(talk) 00:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

ok,i have some idea of how, but i'll look into my edits now to see how i was behaving firstly, the details of that, and get back to you. Thanks 109.204.66.81 (talk) 01:10, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


---answer to your question Kww---

With respect to the Infinity(philosphy) article, i have identified at least one reason why it was happening during that editorial process > (from [12]) > Unintended consequences- “ ….. After working hard on one article for a long time, you may be less open to others' input….. “ I would at least endeavour to be more open to others and to discussion.

It is difficult to look at the evidence of my behaviour, particularly the three times i didn't engage in a talk page discussion, when requested by editors to do so.That kind of behaviour (repeated revertions of edits without discussion) certainly wouldn't happen again, and i was always happy largely to keep to having a reasonable attitude with respect to others being critical ( i think, hope) prior to that disagreement/mess.

Just to give a reason, i was anyway quite isolative at the time , in my personal circumstances, which is undoubtedly reflected in my editorial behaviour, but i have now a facebook account and skype contacts, so i have a more sociable existence, which should be a guard against such a single-minded a blinkered view of things occuring again.

As a matter of fact, I regret having become unreasonable at the end, but i just didn't feel it in me to make any discussion of it, since i didn't have a thourough knowledge of the subject,lacked the confidence for sure, and learnt information just prior to including this in the article. This is likely then > "Editing beyond your means" (from - [13] )being the case,though not forgetting also it is already acknowledged that, " …Clearly, every editor is incompetent when doing some types of edits in certain subject areas, so it is important to know or discover your limitations….”.

I don't really know how i would proceed if unblocked, i.e. at least which articles i would edit;i'm not looking to edit much at all in the near future, whenever i would begin again, would be just tentatively and with much more caution and less drive to achieve something at any cost.This attitude was true of my editing largely, but didn't prove to be significantly addressed in very many other articles by other editors (i've looked into the majority of articles i created and contributed to). In any case i don't need the stress, so will look to avoid taking risks, which will help avoid bringing about such a situation again. 109.204.66.81 (talk) 02:33, 13 January 2014 (UTC)



---additional information---

To provide evidence of my willingness to improve.....On this page > (Levels of Competence > [14]) I’d class my general editorial behaviour and understanding as a beginner, for sure.So i looked at the 5 pillars [15] ("...Seek consensus...", "Wikipedia is not....an indiscriminate collection of information...."). I read also these: "Our community is our biggest asset" ([16]),and " The creation of a welcoming and collegial editorial environment." (from "Founding principles > [17])(and had to google search the meaning of the word collegial) 87.112.32.97 (talk) 13:20, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


With respect to the -Levels of competence- question "What are some issues with the five pillars as chosen?";

right now, all i found to comment on is that, it was an impetus and supportive principle, to > "Be bold". Being bold is something which both supports and promotes effort, but also allows the chance of (repeated) mistakes. Also, i just thought, the directive to " Respect copyright laws" would be better if it were emphasised more, as a guidance, but that's just my personal feeling.87.112.32.97 (talk) 13:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I've seen this and I will review. Please do not place any messages anywhere else on Wikipedia. If you continue to do so, I will begin blocking the IPs that you use.—Kww(talk) 14:01, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

ok. 109.204.66.81 (talk) 22:06, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Kww, you previously wrote >messages anywhere else<, so i presume it is still acceptable to put something here, so, i thought to mention, with respect to my edits shortly before the block, i thought also you might want to know , the edit here > 23:32 10 March 2012 +13,803 < (and others like it), i see it was wrong as i added such a bulk to the article. I was in a great hurry to make additions for the benefit of my own self-esteem, but now i have made contributions (the articles i've created and made) elsewhere which have remained for the time i've been inactive in editing, so i think they will maybe be permanent additions. This means my need for this feeling, that i've made every possible constructive difference, isn't so great, and i will likely be able to wait longer to make changes, and take the necessary time to get it right, through discussion firstly, if necessary (if this is felt necessary). I've gone through nearly every article i've created and contributed material to, in order to check the reactions of later editors. If the list of possible errors i've made is of interest to you i could show this also, i've made every effort to include bad responses (there were definately three others, in the articles, Angelicall Stone, De Beneficiis, and Book of Traversing Eternity).87.112.32.97 (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

this article > Tautavel Man, i provide as evidence of (probably/possibly) a more satisfactory editorial process and conclusion, (i suppose). 87.112.32.97 (talk) 13:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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