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Hi Drmies, —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I am concerned that people are using the bitcoin article to lure victims to "invest" in bitcoins, and are deliberately including highly misleading information. For example, the article seems to assume that "Satoshi Nakamoto" is a real person, when in fact such a person has no web footprint whatsoever. Further, while discussions of the present value of bitcoins is allowed to stay, discussion of the fact that they have risen from six cents in the last ten months and that the price has daily fluctuations of over ten per cent is not mentioned. You look like an upright guy, but I think there are people with a monetary stake in putting misleading information into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Sorry I didn't see this earlier--new messages go at the bottom. Thank you for your note, though please do not assume I'm upright, or a guy. Drmies (talk) 00:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Freedom Riders[edit]

Hi Drmies,

I'm not watching the program but I'm recording it to watch later.

With respect to the actions of ordinary people, never underestimate the crowd mentality. Sometimes a force for good, sometimes for evil, but too often people in crowds stop thinking for themselves.

Ah, enough philosophizing. I have some vandalism to revert. Talk to you later. Face-smile.svg — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:52, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

  • You know, James Zwerg was a very goodlooking man, even after he got his face kicked in. But you know my favorite, since you helped cleaning it up, James Peck (pacifist). Anyway, Zwerg is here in town on Wednesday; they're finally opening up a museum at the old bus station. I wish I had a better camera, but I'll do my best to take some pictures. Hey, come on down--I'll buy you a hotdog from Chris's on Dexter. Drmies (talk) 03:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Here's the list of events. Drmies (talk) 03:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the invitation. I'll look you up when I make it to Alabama. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
It's a shame you can't be in two places at once. Sorry I can't be there with you, but I'm happy to support you at RfA. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


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Massimo Negrotti[edit]

It's not possible to delete the article 'Massimo Negrotti'? It creates a conflict with the correct article 'Massimo negrotti' (though the last name should be with N capital). I tried a redirect from 'Massimo Negrotti' to 'Massimo negrotti' and it works but the former page remains. I would like to delete it. Thanks, Max Schwartz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Max Schwartz (talkcontribs) 15:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. How can 'Massimo Negrotti' be incorrect when 'Massimo negrotti' is correct except for the capital? Anyway, the capitalized version is correct; you shouldn't have made the redirect. I moved the 'negrotti' to 'Negrotti' over the redirect.

    But there are other problems: you are the subject, it seems, so I placed a COI tag on it, besides some other templates--the citation style, for instance, is entirely unclear and quite unelegant. I see that an earlier version was likely removed as a copyvio; I hope this one is sufficiently rewritten, and will (hopefully) be rewritten more to comply with our Manual of Style. But thank you for your question. Drmies (talk) 17:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

@Max Schwartz, I'm also sorry to find it was the exact same article which was deleted as copyright violation -- with text copied from the website and the lede copied from a book. I have deleted the article because it is foundationally copied text. If you wish to recreate an article about this individual, please do so only using original language. Thanks. CactusWriter (talk) 18:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
CactusWriter, I repeat what I said in a now-deleted edit summary: thanks for keeping an eye out. Not that I appreciate you upping my deleted edits count, but hey, it had to be done. And let's hope that a next (different) version uses any of the many available citation formats used on Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

By the way...[edit]

I did notice your edit summary and was taken aback about your lack of x-ray goggles. For whatever reason, I thought you already... well, you know the line. That needs to be changed -- I think you should be fitted for a pair. Cheers. CactusWriter (talk) 18:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Hej, how many of you are there? Are you all taking over? And BTW, do you have an opinion on this edit? Drmies (talk) 22:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
IMO, you chose the proper redirect: the team nickname was actual reason for the sit-com episode's title. (Besidea, Langt fra Las Vegas was only okay -- it was certainly no Klovn.) CactusWriter (talk) 00:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Man in the Moone[edit]

Would you please verify that this disambiguation was correct? It wasn't even one of the options on either of the Christ College or Christ's College dab pages, but based on the Francis Godwin article, I think it's correct.

And no, it's not just you. WP's very sluggish for me; I had to reload your talk page a few times to get an edit link. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Eh, Mandarax--are you using Wikipedia as a source for Wikipedia? You could lose your tenure over that, you know! Anyway, this confirms it as well. I have to go back and pull up the article (through JSTOR, I imagine) to see what "Christ College" really is--maybe I made a mistake. Thanks for your due diligence. Yes, the last few days WP has been frustratingly slow, though you are really trying to tell me, between the lines, that I should archive my talk page. I can read you like a nook, you know. Drmies (talk) 22:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Hehe, yes, I admit that I didn't research that very thoroughly (but it was just a dab, and you'd already supplied a source). Sorry that my "due diligence" is creating a little extra work for you, due to your due diligence. As for allegations regarding hidden subtext in my note, I must confess that the size of this page was on my mind. (You do get a lot of activity here. And think how much more there'll be when you're an admin....) MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:51, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Ron "Bumblefoot Thal[edit]

Hello Drmies.

My name is Patrick and I'm a 48 year old male residing in the U.S. I love to write and have just begun 'dabbling' in the Wiki world!

I thank you for your excellent suggestion of using the Preview feature! :) I didn't realize that I would be creating a lot of unnecessary edits unless I use the preview feature prior to doing the actual edit. I'm new at this and still learning and I hope to become much better and to be a contributor in the Wiki community for many years to come! Warmest regards, Patrick —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaos Choir (talkcontribs) 19:41, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your note. (You are also the IP? Don't forget to log in--when you log in, there's a box you can check for "keep me logged in".) Yes, preview is an invaluable tool for proofreading. The problem is that the history gets clogged up with edits and then it is difficult to see who did what when. Listen, if you want to improve that article, the most important thing to do is to find references to reliable sources. It is a BLP, a biography of a living person, and those need strict verification (have a look at the policy and the guidelines). Also, not every fact is relevant (that is, for instance, not every guitar is--they can't all be Blackie or Old Black), and usually such lists of instruments need to have verification for every single one; verification here means to reliable secondary sources. See, for instance, Albert_King#Instruments. So plow through your Guitar Player archives. Good luck, and let me know if I can help. Drmies (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


  • at my talk... LadyofShalott 03:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
    • A handwritten note! That's so exciting! Drmies (talk) 03:26, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
      • My pleasure. Hey, Drmies, there's a nifty tool. It's called Miszabot. ;-) LadyofShalott 03:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
        • Is it named for me? Drmies (talk) 03:49, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
          • Hah! The spelling's a little off. You'll have to battle that one out with Misza. LadyofShalott 03:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
            • We don't need no stinking bots. Drmies (talk) 03:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again for joining in on that article, as well as being willing/interested in doing the dyk thing. It's much improved over what I initially had. In case you haven't seen it, I ask one favor of you in my most recent post on my talk page. LadyofShalott 04:25, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Brunanburh (poem)[edit]

I meant to tell you: I posted a link to that on my sister's Facebook with no commentary. Her reply was, "You know what I like!" :) LadyofShalott 04:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Eh...she likes people who write about Anglo-Saxon battle poems? She likes Norsemen who invade England? She likes anyone by the name of Amlaíb? She is secretly in love (Does she know I'm [still!] carrying Moonriddengirl's child? Do you?) Drmies (talk) 05:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
  • By the way, that's not a bad little article, if I say so myself. I was surprised there wasn't anything on it yet. Drmies (talk) 05:01, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Anglo-Saxon poetry is right up her alley. She's ABD for a linguisitics degree focused on AS and other Germanic languages. It is a nice article. I am not versed(!) in Anglo-Saxon language and literature as she is, but enjoyed reading it! Your carrying MRG's baby sounds like a personal problem to me. LadyofShalott 05:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Interesting. Where is she at? (well, don't disclose if it's personal, or if she's at South Carolina or some such place.) Drmies (talk) 05:09, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Replied off-wiki LadyofShalott 05:18, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for clearing my user page of the nonsense Calabe1992 (talk) 03:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

  • My pleasure. Drmies (talk) 03:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

RfA nomination[edit]

  • Whoa. Hey, can we wait till I'm at 80,000 edits? Drmies (talk) 03:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
    • You've put it off long enough Mies, wish I was in on the nomoination, I would like to have had my revenge from two years ago. Best of luck, you'll do great. --kelapstick(bainuu) 09:03, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
      • I remember it well, K. I think about it often, and it's one of the reasons I've waited so long. Yeah, I could have asked you as well, but I think the lady and I were talking about this during one of your extended vacations down in a mine shaft or so. Hey, maybe I'll fail, and then I'll ask you in a year? (Are you going back up? I think you should.) Drmies (talk) 13:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry to say[edit]

...that things are not going well for you on your RfA. Currently, it's 62/0/0. Ah well... ROBERTMFROMLI | TK/CN 16:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, I got two neutrals now... Drmies (talk) 14:21, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Only one more day to get 10 more votes and join the WP:200 club. Time to start WP:CANVASSING (joking, joking). I think your book went out on the 23rd. Congrats on the new GA, you are going to have to teach me to write some day. I need to find some more decent topics again, I think I might have finished the internet.--kelapstick(bainuu) 23:18, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Forget about canvassing to achieve 200. Think big. Mobilize an army of sockpuppets to go for 300! [To quote kelapstick, "(joking, joking)".] MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 01:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't see that happening, Mandarax, though I can't tell you how tickled I am with the support I've received so far, including ayes from some people I highly respect. Now--when are you going up? Do you want to? Would it help you in your gnomish work? Drmies (talk) 17:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


Ah, drat. I watchlisted your RFA before the page was created and I can't remember if I did that so I could vote for or against it. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:19, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Well, how about playing it safe and voting for me, so you won't be the first one I block? Drmies (talk) 04:30, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Hey Sarek--you just jumped through this burning hoop. Can you help a lady out? Drmies (talk) 04:34, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, please do if you know what I've done incorrectly in that edit. LadyofShalott 04:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
*shrug*Darned if I know, I didn't add that to my own. :-) Should be covered by the hidden counters halfway down the page, though, and I think everything else goes on talk, rather than the main page. Maybe. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks like you were right; others have fixed it now. Now we just plan a party for a week from now. LadyofShalott 04:46, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm afraid to look. I'll just go reference some BLP or something. Let's hope it's not an athlete. Finnish directors and German politicians I can handle. Drmies (talk) 04:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Hm. A Belgian DJ. That's just great. Drmies (talk) 05:00, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


I've seen a lot worse, believe me. Daniel Case (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Well, I'm glad I don't have your job. Drmies (talk) 14:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


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Thanks for noticing Ahalya.--Redtigerxyz Talk 16:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Go the Fuck to Sleep[edit]

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Your copy should be on its way soon. -kelapstick(bainuu) 23:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Very cool! LadyofShalott 01:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
We are going to be SO popular! Thanks again, K. Drmies (talk) 01:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Double wowwy - one wow for being mopped now (or mophead, if you like) and a second one for raising this number up - it was only a few days ago I laughed my ass off at Samuel L Jackson reading this (in a YouTube video [which has now been zapped for copyvio]). Top notch. Alf -- (talk) 20:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you thank you. IMO, Samuel Jackson is beyond copyvio. He can read versions of my articles on YouTube anytime. Drmies (talk) 22:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Anton Graff[edit]

Hi Drmies. Thanks for all your advices. Much appreciated! John Jason Junior John Jason Junior (talk) 05:31, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

  • You're welcome--thanks for your contributions. I hope you'll keep at it. Drmies (talk) 05:32, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
  • You might be on the front page soon, in the Did you know section. Drmies (talk) 05:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks, looks great! A Swiss painter with a German career in the focus of the World of Wikipedia. Very international! John Jason Junior (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Query re: visibility of Hathitrust content[edit]

Like this?

Hi, I'm curious as to whether people in the US can see in full view some items that in the UK are available only as "limited (search only)" on the Hathitrust website. Specifically, is volume 8 on this page available in full? I know that GBooks sometimes differentiates according to location (presumably based on IP range detection). Do you have time to check this please? There's a potentially useful article in volume 8, if only I could see the thing. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 07:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Update: it is actually at GBooks also, but in snippet view here. - Sitush (talk) 07:21, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
DUDE: Work: the illustrated weekly journal for mechanics, Volume 8??? You seriously need a life. Get a motorcycle! Drmies (talk) 13:51, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, I could read it on-screen, but could not download it as a PDF without logging in. Does that help? Let me have another look later; I'll get back to you. Drmies (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
LOL. I can log in but can't see it, so it must be a geo-IP lock out. Got a bike, btw. BSA DBD34 Gold Star, 500cc 1956. Need to be a mechanic to keep that thing on the road ;) - Sitush (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
No kidding! Did you upload a photo? I'll upload one of mine soon, but I'll tell you what, if I had to work on either one of them, I'd take the BSA. What a beautiful bike! BTW, that article needs work. Don't tell me you got nothing on your bookshelf. Drmies (talk) 20:54, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
The photo looks like s DB34 to me, not a DBD34. I might be wrong, though. Between myself and my two brothers, we have (I think) 11 bikes. Two are new-ish (Ducati and a Honda of some description - I close my eyes when I go in the corner it inhabits, so as not to offend my senses). The others are all Brit bikes: BSA C11, Arial Square Four, Triumph Speed Twin etc. Oh, there was a pre-WW2 Humber 900cc side-valve that I found in a hedge but I had to sell that - did it up, got it running reasonably but needed to wait on a batch of tyres to be produced, and in the interval became unable to work. :(
The Goldie was my dad's last bike; the rest have been acquired by us. I can't ride any of them any more due to insurance issues re: my health, so they're on permanent loan with my brothers. There s/b photos knocking about somewhere but both myself & one brother have moved house recently. Might be some at my mum's, but they'll be old. In my brother's case, the place he has bought includes a barn, intended to be converted for bike storage etc. I'm supposed to be going down there later this year if my health improves, in which case I'll take pics of some of them.
Here's looking at you Sitush. More speed and technology than your brother's entire barn could muster.
I didn't actually read the article, merely grabbed the link. I'll go back to it. - Sitush (talk) 21:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Nice bikes. Sorry to hear about your health. I'm going to get as many miles as I can from my father's bike, as long as I last; my oldest daughter already wants it (she's 5). Now close your eyes, 'cause I'm going to put a picture of my bike (well, mine's red) up here. Bwuhahaha! Oh, if you get any more xenophobic, just ship the Duc over to me and I'll pick it up in Jacksonville, Florida. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


Hi, I made a map and added an infobox, hope this is OK. Funnily enough I was going to contact you last night and request an article on Guy Legay.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Ahhm, I think you have the coordinates wrong for the desert, its much further south...♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks Ernst! I appreciate the help. Those coordinates, I don't know exactly where I got them from, but I'll tell you, putting together that little bitty stub took forever--sources hard to come by. As usual, what's in the article is every single thing I could find electronically. Drmies (talk) 13:49, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Brunanburh (poem)[edit]

The article Battle of Brunanburh (poem) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Battle of Brunanburh (poem) for things which need to be addressed. -- Cirt (talk) 17:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks Cirt--in all the excitement I had forgotten about it. I'll have a looksee later today: my laptop is out of juice, and my youngest needs papa play time. Later! Drmies (talk) 17:03, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Alright, keep me posted on the GA Review subpage ... and good luck! ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 23:51, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
      • Well, I see now that in places the article is a bit skinny; there are a few more articles I need to look at (JSTOR) and I will have a look at the Old English Bibliography (check it out--it's fantastic). So in a day or two I'll drop you a line, and hopefully there will be a bit more meat on them bones. Thanks! I'm looking at a salad with fried salt pork on it. Very tasty. Drmies (talk) 00:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


I think you can probably weather a couple of neutrals, daft as they are... :) Good luck, not that you need it! Catfish Jim & the soapdish 17:10, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

No worries[edit]

I honestly don't recall the argument (nor, I'm embarrassed to say, can I find more than one instance of us interacting). In any case, you're clearly well over the bar. Best of luck! Hobit (talk) 01:34, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Well, I remember, and that may well be the only interaction we've ever had. Thanks for your response and your vote--you will, of course, be richly rewarded for it. What would you like? Wine? Young, nubile lovers? An iPod nano goes to every "aye" anyway. Drmies (talk) 02:00, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
    • The iPod will do. :-) Could you link me to the discussion you are referring to?Hobit (talk) 02:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
      • Honestly, I probably can't. It was months ago, maybe a year--you accused me of being a deletionist, and I said you should have some article edits before you started calling me names. I'm embarrassed to repeat that here. It may have been in some discussion of House episodes, in an AfD that was doomed early and got screwed up even more after I followed someone else's advice and bundled some episodes. Does that sound familiar? Anyway, it's water under the bridge, and since I don't remember apologizing to you, maybe this somewhat shameful reiteration will do. Oh, you know what I always wanted to tell you? What a cool user name you have. It's not Hobbit--it's much edgier. Are you in a metal band? Drmies (talk) 02:20, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
        • Ah, vaguely recall that but really can't find it. I did find about 10 cases where we argued opposite sides in AfDs (always me keep, you delete), but saw nothing problematic. In any case, I shouldn't be tossing names around so I think that's more embarrassing for me. In all cases, best of luck! Hobit (talk) 03:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
          • Haha Hobit, you are a keeper, aren't you! Drmies (talk) 20:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Eaton DYK[edit]

Responded at T:TDYK on this. BarkingMoon (talk) 02:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

You said you made tweaks to Jeanette Eaton, but you didn't. You edited Genevieve Foster. Maybe you got the two articles mixed up? They are both Newbery Honor winners.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
OOPS, it was me. Sorry. Fixed now.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
As for the unclear, the ref probably states it better, but I was trying not to directly copy it. Can you help reword it? Eaton felt women's magazines helped men because they maintained the status quo/kept women "in their place", so to speak. BarkingMoon (talk) 02:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Ha, I conflicted with you at DYK; it's straightened out now. I left you a longer comment there, but I don't know if you'll like it. Listen, I understand perfectly what she is saying (after looking at the original) and perhaps there is a way to rephrase it better. As I noted at DYK, the problem is that what you're doing is interpreting a primary source, and while you interpret that correctly, it's still an interpretation--that is, original research. I'm going to look at the source again. Drmies (talk) 02:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, we're not supposed to make an entire article a series of quotes either are way? Sounds like a thin lined tightrope. BarkingMoon (talk) 02:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
It's often a tightrope in the absence of secondary sources. BTW, I plowed through MLA and JSTOR and couldn't find anything recent on her. What would be nice, of course, is a discussion of her feminism. Now, I think what you could do is the following: cite the entire next-to-last paragraph ("The woman's magazine....such reading") (it's a nice quote, and you can use the <blockquote></blockquote> format), and introduce it with something you pull from the introduction in the reader, some of which you've already mentioned in the article. I think I have a tweak for your hook. Drmies (talk) 02:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
LoS made some edits. Added the blockquote. Thanks for the improvements. See DYK nom page too.BarkingMoon (talk) 11:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there an issue still pending? You haven't put the check of approval on it yet. BarkingMoon (talk) 16:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Patience, grasshopper! The doors in our house don't paint themselves, you know, and those dumb dogs can't paint either. I checked it off. Hope you get lots of hits, Drmies (talk) 17:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Sensei, Grasshopper understands. We took the family strawberry picking, washed the cars, and tended the garden. Thanks for all the help. Both articles are better now. It's nice to make good, helpful new wiki friends. BarkingMoon (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Strawberry picking! Now that is a much better way to spend a Sunday, esp. the day after the world ended. One of these days I'll come hollering at you for help in creating some more of these women writer articles. Do you know anything about Dutch lighthouses? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Not really, but if enough sources are in English, I can try it. As for the strawberries, they were so plentiful all I had to do was sit inbetween two rows,move only about 2 feet and my strawberry box was full. Since you missed out, here's a berry ripe for the picking just for you:
Strawberries for you
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AHHHHH! INSANE AND CRAZY!!!!!!!!! Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) T or M/Sign mine 02:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


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My opinion[edit]

I was not aware of your RfA until a few moments ago. I'm here to apologize for not piling on my support there as I have been avoiding that project page recently (and I see no future in which I would be able to opine there...but things may change). I wanted you to know that my absence does not mean lack of support. Indeed, I believe that WP needs your help in an admin capacity. See ya 'round Tiderolls 07:23, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks Tide. I hope you know I have the greatest respect for you as an admin, and if it succeeds, I'll be knocking on your door for help, no doubt. Later, Drmies (talk) 19:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


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Agnes Hewes[edit]

Drmies and My Lady: Here's another Newbery writer. The facts are there but it could use a good copyedit and there's very little on her personal life (more is out there on her family). Perhaps you could check your offline sources and help copyedit? It's also listed at DYK. BarkingMoon (talk) 01:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

User:LadyofShalott/Camak House[edit]

How much should I talk about James Camak? (I haven't yet at all.) LadyofShalott 03:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Hm. A juicy paragraph? Was he exciting? Drmies (talk) 03:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Depends on your definition of exciting. He was apparently important - after teaching math at UGA, he headed up the Georgia Railroad and was head of a bank. He probably deserves an article of his own, but I don't want to write it. LadyofShalott 03:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Ha, you don't like writing biographies either? Well, do you need to get the house up to DYK length? I think a fat paragraph, well-sourced, is more than OK, and place a redirect to the house for the man's name. At least that's a start. Have fun...! Drmies (talk) 03:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I haven't had the energy to put into it yet. A surprise 12-hour shift Monday (umm... that would be yesterday) plus too many insomniac nights this past week or so have not done wonders for my article-building. However, I got a few minutes to run up and make a copy of that magazine article I had made note of. I'm hoping that's going to give me lots of good stuff to add. Apparently we have a vertical file folder on Camak House too - so I'm going to have to figure out when I can get into it. (I bet there's one on Franklin House too...) LadyofShalott 22:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Franklin House (Athens, Georgia)[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

File:Pope and boniface 1980.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

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I do hope you realize my neutral vote is a joke :) --PoliticallyCorrectEditorCabal (talk) 14:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Well, at RfAs it can be difficult to spot the jokes sometimes, sorry, and on my (small) screen at home there is a lot of space between the boobies and the note on boobies. And I was not entirely truthful: I am no longer addicted to bacon; in fact, even during the heyday of my bacon period I scored below 75% on the quiz. I'm a salt pork man now. Thanks for clarifying--but I'd still rather have your support! ;) Drmies (talk) 18:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
  • You don't need my support. Besides, anyone willing to stand for RfA is too crazy to be an administrator. Mainly, I just wanted to add some levity to the RfA, based on your userpage. I was an aspiring ornithologist when I was young. Always have a warm spot in my heart for blue footed boobies. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
  • In that case, please add a violation to my user page by turning Category:Birds of the Galapagos to a bluelink! BTW, I have great respect for ornithologists. They are generally very friendly and quiet people. I hope you didn't become a WWF commentator or accountant. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:47, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
  • No, I became a Wikipedia editor instead. *sob* --Hammersoft (talk) 19:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Crooked timber of humanity: FYI[edit]

Ludwig Wittgenstein, 1946, Culture and Value

It is remarkable how hard we find to believe something that we do not see the truth of for ourselves. When, for instance, I hear the expression of admiration for Shakespeare by distinguished men in the course of several centuries, I can never rid myself of the suspicion that praising him has been the conventional thing to do; though I have to tell myself that this is not how it is. It takes the authority of a MILTON really to convince me. I take it for granted that he was incorruptible.---But I don't of course mean by this that I don't believe an enormous amount of praise to have been, and still to be lavished on Shakespeare without understanding and for the wrong reasons by a thousand professors of literature.

  • This is true: Milton is incorruptible, which explains a lot about his life. If only 'Samson Agonistes were required reading. This is also true: we often repeat these words about Shakespeare and others without having properly read their work. Drmies (talk) 19:29, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I forgot to wink.
Given your recent acknowledgment of having failed in your attempt to "corrupt" one administrator, LOL, I thought that you would enjoy the quote about Milton. You may also enjoy the quote about your fellow workers in the vineyard, even supposing that you are less critical than "Morris Zapp".  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Obscenity in Alabama: "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"[edit]

Hej Drmies! I thought that you would appreciate this title:

  • Karthik Subramanian, “It’s a Dildo in 49 States, But It’s a Dildon’t in Alabama: Alabama’s Anti-Obscenity Enforcement Act and the Assault on Civil Liberty and Personal Freedom,” 1 Ala. Civil Rts. & Civil Lib. L. Rev 111 (2011).

Best regards,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:17, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Yes, a charming matter, isn't it. If you leave my town you pass a sign, "Go to church or the devil will get you." A couple of miles further there is a jumbo-sized Stars and bars. Drmies (talk) 01:53, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Church Lady will continue to be redundant when reality satirizes itself.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Miners of Muzo[edit]

Do you know these guys?--kelapstick(bainuu) 23:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Are you following me around?[edit]

I've been gently trying to slide the ferret article towards something more encyclopedic and less "my ferret is wonderful, here's a pic" for some time now, but slowly slowly catchee monkey. Malleus Fatuorum 00:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Monkey? Ferret? Is this some mutation I've not yet read about? - Sitush (talk) 00:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Kipling IIRC. Malleus Fatuorum 00:38, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Really? Do both species eat cakes? ;) - Sitush (talk) 00:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Like many other carnivores they have an appetite for chocolate, which is lethal in any quantity, but ours would go to any lengths to get hold of some. A little bit of what you fancy ... Malleus Fatuorum 01:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Anytime I watch Recent changes and I see you do something, I'm interested, yes. You're my father figure, don't you see? Anyway, I personally don't care much for ferrets (I'm more of a weasel man myself--read "The Miller's Tale"), but I thought I might make myself useful by finding a reference for that unverified statement that you let stand inexplicably. Did you see the redlink in one of the images in that article? Queen Mary Psalter is my new little project. Drmies (talk) 00:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Good luck with that. The truth though is that "ferrets" are widely misunderstood. Malleus Fatuorum 01:22, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
  • BTW, Malleus, [1]. Drmies (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


Someone could use a little help with their Dutch-to-English. I think I know what they mean in the history section, but I'm not certain enough to fix it the way I would. LadyofShalott 03:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Ask, and you deliver far more than was meant! I only meant for you to make what was there comprehensible, but wow (and I should have known)! I followed up on your proofreading request. Only question now, what is a dweilband? LadyofShalott 04:22, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
A dweilband is a kind of little orchestra, with horns and stuff, playing popular folksy kinds of tunes--they are most notably present during speedskating events. Usually beer is involved. If I'm wrong, perhaps Ucucha can come along and set me straight. Drmies (talk) 04:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
That's quite an image. LadyofShalott 04:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Your big red button gave me a Kazakh politician...--kelapstick(bainuu) 04:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry K. Romanian poets are more fun. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Here's an example of a dweilband (courtesy of my mother). Ucucha 08:31, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: Clan of Xymox edits[edit]

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Luis González-Mestres[edit]

Hey dr - I was wondering if you had any thoughts about potentially AfD'ing Luis González-Mestres? I was looking at WP:PROF and don't think he actually meets any of the notability criteria laid out for academics or scientists. Kevin (talk) 22:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Are you ready for a mud fight? I think this is a borderline case, but do as you see fit; I'll have another look at the references. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


Talk:Battle of Brunanburh (poem)#GA passed - very nice! LadyofShalott 01:37, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Huh? I guess I need to have a look... Drmies (talk) 01:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


I has faith in you to be a good administrator. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) T or M/Sign mine 04:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

One of your responses at RfA was "I like to think I can bring people together. Drmies (talk) 14:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC) ". Well, if you cannot then I haven't got a clue who can. I thought about adding my support a few days ago but feel that it is really a peer review type of process & that it would be inappropriate. However, you have it in spirit and I knew from very early on that would be all which was needed. I still remember your first note to me and it settled me down enormously in what was at that time a quite challenging situation for me. Now, about JSTOR ... ;) - Sitush (talk) 23:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Yeah yeah Sitush, what do you need this time...bare-knuckle boxing? hydraulic pump manuals? some recipes for turning anthracite into wholesome meals? Feel free to vote, haha--I have no moral qualms in accepting support from anyone. Well, I'm glad I ran into you as well. You strike me as a friendly spirit who seeks to increase our coverage in topics that you know and care about. And if you need something and you need it quick, you can always email me directly. Thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 23:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I owe you a photo or two from CARDBOARDBOXSTOR, when I find it. You are on rotation for JSTOR stuff: my list of helpful people for that comprises you and, er, you. (Not really, one or two others have been very helpful for that stuff also, but they do not like bacon.) - Sitush (talk) 23:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
And this was it. - Sitush (talk) 23:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Unbelievable. Honest, I wasn't expecting this. I've been doing some work at Nair, with the usual POV-warring etc that is concomitant with Indian caste articles. Sometimes I am just a glutton for punishment. Anyways, someone put me onto a JSTOR article earlier today, I got it via Resource Exchange & as I am wading through I keep finding cites for this. I think it might be worth my while reading that in its own right, rather than relying on secondary commentary about it. Not that I do not trust academics to represent their colleagues fairly, of course <g> Please, pretty please? - Sitush (talk) 00:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
It's in the mail, Sitush. Give my regards to MatthewVanitas, and good luck to you both. Drmies (talk) 00:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Ounce received, thank you. Not sure how it fitted down the wires. - Sitush (talk) 00:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Holy cow, 200 supports! You deserve it; congratulations!! ceranthor 01:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
200!! Skomorokh put you over the top. LadyofShalott 01:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I think you just broke the record for the most support !votes in an RfA! The previous record was like under 190. Nice!! Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) T or M/Sign mine 03:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately not, see here.--kelapstick(bainuu) 03:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I happened to look at that a minute ago and I saw that. too bad :( Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) T or M/Sign mine 03:17, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, they can't all be zingers. But I'll tell you what tickles me most--the admins, the crats, the deletionists, and the rescue squad people, a lot of them are on there. The only one missing is that traitor to the state of Alabama, User:Tide rolls. He's high on my hitlist. Probably an Auburn fan secretly anyway. Drmies (talk) 03:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
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  4. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block.
  5. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology.
  6. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able.
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DYK for Anton Graff[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I read the article, then went to check out the author, and was surprised to find this. Thanks for the kind words! MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 01:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I don't need to click on that to know what that is--you're welcome. I wouldn't have said it if it weren't true. Drmies (talk) 02:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


Sorry, I can't see the BSB pics, get an error message - but I'm travelling, not my own PC (can't even check if I expanded Hans Vogt (composer) enough), perhaps I'll see the pics next week, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • You'll enjoy them. Happy trails, Drmies (talk) 16:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


what is that, look i just put a reference, i am new on Wikipedia and i made it under User:ErwinFilipovic, i believe this should be fine. this is a public paper published in the World press (science), i dont know whats the problem about that, In general it takes a long time to tip those information in, i do not like to do this all the time over and over again so you guys have something to do, for me it is time expansive ( so maybe in the future give me some time to response instead to delete it immediately, thank youErwinFilipovic (talk) 18:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • I removed some of the code you stuck in here--whatever that was supposed to do wasn't working. What I asked an administrator to delete was a template containing what appeared to be bibliographical information. The template wasn't written correctly, and what you may have wanted it to do, that's not what templates are for. (And I think that template had been there, unused, since April, so there was plenty of time.) I suggest you get a bit more practice, and for templates, please see Help:Template. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 19:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Emma wb[edit]

Hello, fyi I've tagged this redirect for speedy deletion since I think it's really too unlikely to be useful. That's all, folks! De728631 (talk) 19:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • I indicated as much in my edit summary; thanks for confirming my suspicion. Drmies (talk) 19:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


What do you think would be needed to bring Camak House up to GA level? LadyofShalott 22:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Wow! Great work. No wonder I didn't see you at the cocktail bar this week. Well, not so much--an expansion to the lead, to include more of its history and characteristics, and a scrubbing (I'll be glad to help). List it, and see what the initial response is. Well done, Lady! Drmies (talk) 00:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. :) I'm not likely to be around much this weekend to address issues; so I'll wait until next week before actually attempting the gauntlet. I've never done that before. LadyofShalott 00:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
If I were you, I'd ask to get kissed first. Have a nice weekend! Drmies (talk) 00:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I'd better get hugs and kisses too. I get to see the nieces. The four-year-old has a dance recital. LadyofShalott 02:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Aw that is so cute. Did I tell you what happened at ours last year? 4-yr old is on stage, totally messing around and missing everything, 1-yr old sees her and yells out her name--4-yr old stops, looks, sees, waves... It was the funniest thing. Now she's 5, and apparently has learned to dance like a slut women in music videos. She did so today when we went to eat pizza. You know, they're still not asleep! Go the F*** to Sleep! (And K, the book still isn't in...) Drmies (talk) 02:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
LOL that's funny. She can team up with the two-year-old of my nieces - she likes to strip, and it doesn't matter where she is. One day my sister was writing out a check when peals of laughter erupted behind her. The little one had gotten buck naked and was dancing in circles with her hands over her head. LadyofShalott 02:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Too bad, I don't think mine is in either, at least the latest report from home hasn't said anything. It was supposed to go out early this week.--kelapstick(bainuu) 02:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

(off topic) Do either of you know how to make a steam car, preferably coal powered. The Russians have canceled all fuel exports and the government is siezing all fuel assets (4 million litres for us)...My suggestion of invading Venezuela has not been implemented (yet), although I have been mobilizing an army. So this is what a state of emergency is like, I believe that the Mongolian government has excercised their equivalent of the notwithstanding clause.--kelapstick(bainuu) 00:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Hmmm...who made that car that ran on wood? Of course Mongolia isn't rich in trees, I imagine. Can't you produce oil (or an oily product) from yak dung? Drmies (talk) 00:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Afraid I can't help you with the steam car... That doesn't sound like a good situation! LadyofShalott 01:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
News is nonexistant on what is going on (at least in English), but as of the 10th the country had enough to last until the end of the month. I am thinking that a car that runs on pork fat might be more suitable. --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd rather drink gasoline and walk than make my car run on pork fat. Come on Kelapstick, say that one more time and I'm revoking your zionist bacon star. Soon I vil have ze power! Drmies (talk) 03:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't know Doc, it's pending closure and is pretty close...I am sure there will be some debate.--kelapstick(bainuu) 04:42, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Nah, no debate. The first crat to swing by will close it as success - but gone are the days when we had enough crats that uncontentious RFAs usually closed within a couple of hours. So congratulations and welcome to the Admin cadre, feel free to raid my monobook, the script that gives you a dropdown menu for blocking is pretty good, even though IAR, per IRC and "This hurts me more than it hurts you" somehow don't seem to be on the menu. ϢereSpielChequers 07:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


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I'm happy to inform you that, due to your successful request for adminship, you have now been promoted to an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or stop by the administrators' noticeboard. Congrats! Andrevan@ 07:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Congrats! Bongomatic 07:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Also, congrats on making it to the WP:200! Andrevan@ 07:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Well done Doc, couldn't have happened to a nicer fella. I will have a Cass in your honour tonight.--kelapstick(bainuu) 07:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
      • From me too! Good thing those two rather peculiar entries were added to the "oppose" section. Otherwise it would have looked too much like a !vote in the good old Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union. Happy mopping! Favonian (talk) 08:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC) Semper Bacon
        • Good job! I never had the slightest doubt you'd be successful. Congratulations on achieving such an overwhelming level of support. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 08:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Well done but shame on you for knowing people who are atheists interested in atheism. Catfish Jim (ex-soapdish) 09:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Congratulations at such an overwhelming result! Including the comic relief - RfA without drama are strictly forbidden. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations! You'll wield the mop well, I am certain. LadyofShalott 13:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree with all of the above. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 15:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

That thing the above people are calling a 'mop' is really a festering, rotting mass that's been sitting in a disused lavatory for the last 18 months. I know you're obsession with bacon has fractured your olfactory sense, but trust stinks high holy. Good luck 'using' it. I recommend sticking it in a oil drum filled with bleach for a few days, at least. Of note; all requisitions for new mops have of late been denied due to the sheer number of prior user resignations. It's a cost saving measure, plus its reusing resources. Go green! --Hammersoft (talk) 16:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Careful Hammersoft, or I'm blocking you as a sock puppet of this editor based purely on coincidence and my whim. If anything is bothering my sense of smell, it's the fact that we're painting just about everything in the house. Drmies (talk) 17:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Congrats! I actually have seen you around, and thought that you were already an admin. A very successful nomination and run, indeed! --Doktor Plumbi (talk) 17:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Adding mine to the peals o' praise. Geoff Who, me? 21:26, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Drmies/Rob Hoeke[edit]

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  • Look, "Drmies", don't mess with things in my user space, alright?


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EvilDrmies is watching you!

Breaking the "200" barrier is a very rare event. Nice going. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks Michael. I'm tickled. I need to write up some thankspam or message of some sort--but right now I'm sort of playing around with the buttons. Did you know that with my new admin powers I can tell what you're wearing? That polo looks really nice on you, by the way. I hope you won't tuck it in when you leave the house, though. Drmies (talk) 19:17, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
  • A late congratulations from me too. By the way, when you're using that orb, if you see any flaming eyes turn it off. I still can't sleep most nights. -- Atama 20:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
And an even later congrats from me! If you need any advice, feel free to drop me a line. GedUK  15:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI comment illogical[edit]

(Posting here since ANI thread closed.)

Your comment regarding patience [[2]] is not reasonable, as the insult referenced [3]:

1. occurred 16 hours after I pointed out such remarks were inappropriate [4], and

2. calling someone "shit" is an obvious insult in any culture I'm aware of.

To be clear, I have no problem with the thread being closed with a warning from another editor -- it simply would have been redundant for me to make a second posting to the user's talk page on the same issue. Gerardw (talk) 20:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. Of course "Shit" is an insult, but your pointing out that an earlier remark was inappropriate (diff above) isn't a very clear warning, to be honest: "Statements like "take writing college..." are not appropriate here" sounds more like a gentle nudge than a warning. This warning, which came after Deng's warning, is a bit more clear. And in the end, editors need to be given a warning in no uncertain terms and then violate a policy or guidelines again before an admin is going to take action. Please read the headnote to ANI: it is for cases that require "incidents on the English Wikipedia that require the intervention of administrators", and this didn't require the intervention of an administrator, since the editor (unless I'm mistaken) changed their tune after that final warning. The rest of that back and forth between them and Jasper Deng, well, as Jasper Deng indicated at ANI, that's water under the bridge. In short: warn, and warn clearly (we have those templates for a reason), so there is no misunderstanding about what an editor has done wrong in your opinion. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
K. Gerardw (talk) 21:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I'll say one more thing: Y'all are talking on the talk page, and there seems to be consensus for what you and Jasper proposed. The sourcing for the other version, so to speak, simply isn't there, and the 'shorter version', as it is called on the talk page, does not suffer from the fairly obvious issues of POV. Keep an eye on it, and keep it cool. Clear insults should be met with a warning, and if they persist, reported to AIV where they will be swiftly dealt with. If an insult like that to Jasper is repeated, a block is the next step. Let's hope it doesn't get that far. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Based on Wikipedia:DR#For_urgent_situations, I thought ANI was the place for (beyond WQA) personal attacks? And thinking about it some more, I still think your comment isn't logical -- what you seem to be saying isn't that I'm not patient enough, it's that I was too wimpy on the warning. ;) Gerardw (talk) 22:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Want some practice?[edit]

I just came across my first adminly task since your ascension: moving Florenz Ziegfeld to Flo Ziegfeld. This move seems completely obvious, common-sense, and uncontroversial per WP:STAGENAME. But if you're not sure how to do it yet, or you think it might not be as uncontroversial as I think it is, I'll just slap a {{db-move}} on the target page. I just figured I'd give you first shot at it. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 22:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Mandarax, I am not sure you appreciate how complicated these situations can be. I will be glad to have my secretary place it on the calendar--provided that, of course, by that time the paperwork is in. Oh, tomorrow is Saturday, and Monday is Memorial Day, and Tuesday I have a hair appointment. In other words, I'll get to it. As soon as I check your credentials, naturally. Drmies (talk) 23:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
    • OK, there is a page history: [5]. That's all it was. Is that a "minor" history per Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions#Moving_procedures? I'm not entirely sure. The other thing, Wikipedia:New_admin_school has no step-by-step for moving over a redirect (or, in this case, merging histories, since I assume that's what needs to be done even for such a tiny history). In other words, I'm going to have to call a lifeline. Is anyone around? Or, if you like, place the template on there and suggest to the admin who does it that they drop me a line. I appreciate the practice and apologize--sorry, this is my first day on the job! ;) Drmies (talk) 23:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
OK, let me try to talk you through it... hang on, this will take me a few minutes to type up probably. LadyofShalott 00:39, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Tell it to move Florenz Ziegfeld to Flo Ziegfeld.
  • When it asks if you want to delete to make way for the move, click the box that says yes, you really want to do that, and then press the button to tell it again to make the move.
  • At this point, you will have the article located at Flo Ziegfeld, with that (probably minor enough to have been avoided, but what the heck, it hurts nothing to save it, and this is a learning experience) history deleted.
  • Now, go into the history tab (well, I think it's that one... I've having a little trouble remembering without actually doing it)... if it is not that, try under delete this page - maybe it's really that one... Anyway, in one of those, you'll get an option to view deleted edits. Choose that, and then then tell it to restore those edits, using a summary along the lines of "merging histories".
  • Now you'll have that useless page as the current version. So you'll have to go into the history, and get the most recent good edit and make it the current one by editing that version and saving it.

I hope this makes some sort of sense. I was afraid for the longest time even to try history merges until I decided (I think because of prodding from you) that I had to learn it, and I did so in my sandbox. I suggest you go ahead and try it, but if you would rather not yet, let me know, and I'll do it. LadyofShalott 00:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I've created such a fuss. I wouldn't have suggested it on your first day if I'd realized how complicated it would be. I thought that since that edit was so extremely minor, and was created a month after the main article existed, that the page could simply be deleted and the other moved in. Thanks to both of you. BTW, I'm astonished that the page has existed for seven years without being moved! Having the article with the "Flo" title just seems like such a no-brainer to me. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 01:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, you're just a sucker for show tunes, I imagine. Take back your mink... Anyway, it's that "simply be deleted" that made me hesitate, that one little line of text that was there. See below, my question to Fetchcomms. Drmies (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
You should know that ever since you left this note, I've been considering issuing you an NPA warning! Just for the record, I've attended just one Broadway-style musical ever, 42nd Street, and it was the worst ten hours of my life. (Well, it certainly seemed like ten hours.)

Anyways, here's an update: the new title lasted less than three days, then the article was moved to an even worse title than the original one. It's now Florenz Ziegfeld, Jr.. Even though I think I could now move it myself, I'm not gonna go starting a move war. I guess one of these days I may start a move discussion, but I'm too tired to do that now. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 18:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Boom. See how easy that was? I didn't even have to pull out my pocket-sized atom smasher or anything. Just a few mental calculations about the impact this would have on the space-time continuum to check that nothing would blow up and voila! /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 01:28, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Well, thanks Fetchcomms, there goes my learning experience! But you deleted that very first entry, the one before the redirect was made. It wasn't much, but that's what I was trying to save.

  • Anyway, here I am: User:Drmies/Flo. I have moved User:Drmies/Florence, and, Lady, it was that tiny little note, top left, 'view/restore deleted edits' or something like that. I selected it, clicked 'restore', and it placed it at the bottom of the history but left the current article intact. Mandarax, thanks for asking: I'm glad I got to do this exercise. Lady, thanks for taking the time to type this stuff up. Fetchcomms, thanks for what you're going to do next: write a page for new admins where you explain this patiently, in English, and where you also explain what 'minor' and 'major' is. Because, if I understand it correctly, that first edit is now gone but that doesn't seem to be a problem. Am I reading your action correctly? Drmies (talk) 02:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
OK, so it must have made some kind of sense then. Glad it wasn't totally useless. :) LadyofShalott 02:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Far from it, Lady. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Check it out, Lady: I restored the one single edit, and it put it in its place automatically--so your last point, "Now you'll have that useless page as the current version", was handled by the machine. Drmies (talk) 02:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Huh. Interesting. I have had to do that last step. See, e.g. [6]. Maybe I did it backwards. LadyofShalott 02:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Indeed, interesting. Wait--I see now that I didn't restore the redirect (the second and last edit), only the one edit with text--does changing text into a redirect need to be reflected in the history as well? Let's see what happens--done, and here it is. Could it be related to when that redirect was made, so that in your case it was the most recent one, maybe? Drmies (talk) 02:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe... I'm just not sure at this point. LadyofShalott 02:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC) In related matters, you can see that I tend to be of the major/minor/who-cares-it's-part-of-the-history mindset - and just save it all (assuming it's not just grossly insulting or has some other reason it should not be saved). LadyofShalott 02:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I think I am too. CoM once set me straight on that point, in Creepmime. Since then I'm merging where others might simply blank and redirect. Wow, that was three years ago already. Drmies (talk) 03:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
OK, if you're restoring something, it goes to its original timestamp, so that first edit was in 2004 and got stuck where it was supposed to be. If the edit on the redirect was in May 2011, then it would've gotten stuck as the current version and have to be reverted after restoration. Also, for major/minor, I usually don't bother with those kinds of very old edits because there's no attribution that needs to be preserved. But restoring it is no problem and I'm just lazy :P. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 03:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Well, I got some exercise out of it, that's always useful. Now get to writing that manual! Drmies (talk) 03:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Drmies, I think you handled this admirably. Rather than just pushing ahead when you weren't absolutely certain, you asked for advice and used it as a learning experience. Consider this Question 12, and you gave a good answer.

As for restored revisions, I wish Wikipedia dealt with them differently. There's no indication that they're restored, and the logs don't specify which revisions were restored. To anyone going through the history, those restored edits do not appear to be constructive at all. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 05:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It was interesting. One of the problems I ran into at new admin school is that my pull-down menus etc (you know the word for it) are different from what the instructions propose, so I'm looking around a little bit more. Wait--is this my editing interface? Is that what you would call it? Anyway, Mandarax, you have a point: if you look at that first IP's edit you'd think they're a vandal or something. But then--consider the enormous amount of information that would have to be stored. I already suffer from information overload, esp. with these new buttons! And I'm going to use this as a jumping point into...

...a new learning experience[edit]

Hey Lady, I tried to do a decent thing at Amaya (TV series), as you can see--copyvio. Obviously it's not enough to just delete the one. What do I do? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

psst! delete all of the affected revisions. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 16:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I thought so--I wanted to check since this also removes free (though not helpful) text. So that's just a kind of collateral damage? And did I do it right? I checked the box that only removed text, not the rest. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 17:50, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to jump into this convo, but that begs a question I've had for a while. When I find blatant, large copyvios:
  • On NewPages, can I presume that G12 tagging is sufficient to ensure it's deleted and there's no available revision?
  • On existing pages, besides blanking out (or reverting) the copyvio'd text, should I be requesting a revdel of the appropriate revisions? I'm guessing doing so may make it easier for you guys to jump in with the mop and clean it up (as opposed to me simply removing the content and not pointing it out).
  • How important are the revdels in such matters, and do such get equally applied to all blatant copyvios?
I run into all sortsa things via newpages and recentchanges, and probably should have asked these questions before. Thanks, Rob ROBERTMFROMLI | TK/CN 18:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Good question. G12, followed by deletion, should take care of that, yes. The second point, I used to do the same thing, simply revert, but it does leave the offense in the history. I'll leave this for any talk page stalkers. Thanks Robert, Drmies (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I tried to reply to this last night, but connection issues didn't allow me to make the post. It does make sense to delete any copyright violation versions so that no one can just revert to one. If they are in the history, even a good faith editor might revert to one that looks like a better version - without realizing that it's a violation. I'm not sure what the policy is about deleting all versions with the violation. I'm not that experienced with these. (I tend to recommend taking any questions like these to Moonriddengirl as the copyright guru.) As for new articles, I agree that G12 should take care of the issue. LadyofShalott 12:27, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
My experience has been that the strictly correct thing to do is to delete all versions of the article from its history up to the one immediately before the copyright violation was introduced. Malleus Fatuorum 14:27, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
That all makes perfect sense. Thank to both of you. Drmies (talk) 17:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Thanks all. I'll remember to make it a personal policy to request a revdel in such cases... which of course brings me to the next question (apologies if this is simply because I haven't dug far enough to find the correct board). Is there a specific place to request revdels, or should I just annoy bug pile more work on find an admin and drop them a note? Best, Rob ROBERTMFROMLI | TK/CN 04:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


If you are done trying out all your shiny new tools (used Special:Nuke yet?), could you have a look at WP:Featured article candidates/Koninginnedag/archive1? I have opposed because I don't think the article is comprehensive, but it's quite possible that I am wrong. Ucucha 11:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I had a look and made some quick comments. I'm perusing the archives right now, but I think I agree on the general point re: newspaper sources. Surely there are books, articles, dissertations... Drmies (talk) 18:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Please continue to look and let me know what you find. I am certainly willing to obtain any necessary books. I am not a Dutch speaker but between google translate and doublechecks by people who do speak Dutch, I think it will be OK. As I noted in my other post, I am pulling the FAC.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


Congrats on adminship! Too bad I wasn't there to vote. Have you seen RfPP lately? Like this and this. Elockid (Talk) 15:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks! I could have used your vote--it was close. But I needed twenty more, I think, to tie Newyorkbad. I'll have a look, Drmies (talk) 17:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
My sincere condolences congratulations!!! Good luck to ya in your expanded Wiki-endeavors!!! Best, Rob ROBERTMFROMLI | TK/CN 18:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh well[edit]

I'm pulling the article from FAC. I trust you'll be willing to look in from time to time as I rework it? I don't plan to renom it soon, perhaps late this summer. Also, have they actually said what will happen to Koninginnedag when the Queen retires or passes away? Given the proximity of WA's birthday ...--Wehwalt (talk) 19:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Hi Wehwalt, I'm sorry to hear that. And actually I haven't been able to look at all the archives and databases I wanted to (kids...), but I will later and will let you know. Feel free to pass on whatever you find: I will be happy to help and translate. Did I see you've been to six of 'em already? (Did you ever see the queen?) It's my favorite day of the year, and haven't been able to "be" there for it since the 90s. Thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 19:44, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Subduing your very aggressive bacon[edit]

I've taken the liberty of playing with your user page a bit. I didn't like the way the bacon was attacking the admin. I've made the bacon slightly smaller (to reflect your move from bacon to salt pork) and left it in the same relative position, but both of those attributes can easily be changed now. Or, of course, if you prefer it the way it was, I won't mind if you revert it. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Thank you so much, Mandarax! I'm no good at such things. Drmies (talk) 23:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Blurb at The Signpost[edit]

Hi, could you check the blurb I wrote, and edit if necessary. Thx. Nice musical interests! Tony (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Hey Tony, thanks. I'm really not very active with the novels project, I have to say--in fact, I'm not active in any official project at all, I think. If I'm active in anything more or less official, it's DYK. Hey, when did I acquire music interests? That's the second time I hear that. Did Mandarax forward you a copy of the Hendrix album I sent him? Thanks again! Drmies (talk) 17:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
    • First on your list of article created, and more. I'll change the blurb. Tony (talk) 03:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


Theatre Tour. Bongomatic 04:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

  • No. You're probably dealing with a fan who turns every thing into articles and sticks it in templates. Drmies (talk) 04:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: note on aiv report[edit]

"it doesn't rise to the level of a single, blockable offense...". So what in your opinion is *enough* offense to report to administrator then ? "man, people have thin skins" - and this is really beyond me to understand .... He attacked me, so I reported breaking Wikipedia:Etiquette to administration, what was wrong with that ? Regards, Sir Lothar (talk) 08:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
So, I suppose I should've talked back to this user in the same manner as he did (calling him names etc.) ? OK, I'll remember it for next time. Sir Lothar (talk) 08:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Besides, administrator who undid my report didn't answer my question why he felt it's not enough to report to administrator so I've repeated on WP:AIV. Sir Lothar (talk) 08:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
  • You report something to AIV. I am an administrator, and in my opinion what that person said was not bad enough to be blocked for. The rules for what should be reported to AIV are quite clear, and they are listed on top of the page. No, you shouldn't talk back to them in the same manner. That's a silly thing to suppose. And you should not report someone to AIV for such an offense--a level-2 NPA ("no personal attacks") warning is more than enough. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
    • OK, I see. So the only thing I can do is to put him warning on his user talk, right ? Regards, Sir Lothar (talk) 05:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I never could figure out...[edit]

...why anyone would want to be a Wikipedia admin: such a thankless job, and you can't even use your powers to get even with people! But, I guess that's just me (and explains why I'll never be an admin and should never be an admin), for you: congratulations, and I hope you enjoy having the mop. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

  • BMK, your job is much more thankless than mine, all those SPI things that you do. What's the joy? It needs to be done and I'm glad you're doing it. I've only been on the job for a day or two, but so far so good. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 19:12, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


Hi Drmies, and thank you for the nice words at the Bridge of Remembrance, Christchurch dyk nom. It also appears that congratulations are in order as you've been handed the "mop"!! Would be glad to collaborate with you on an article if you were to suggest one. Cheers, --Rosiestep (talk) 00:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Hey, sure thing. I've been admiring your work, see it often enough at AfD. And thanks! As for the last thing, I got a few things on the back burner that I need to bring up to higher status. When I clear my mind and decide on what to get busy on I'll let you know; I can always use a hand. BTW, I'm partial to your name--one of the women in my life, a two-year old, is named Rosie. Drmies (talk) 02:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Redirect to CAT:CSD[edit]

No problem. I'm surprised, as I wouldn't have expected a redirect to appear in the category. Nyttend (talk) 03:59, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


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DYK for Isabella Psalter[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Queen Mary Psalter[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hm. This page appears to be getting peppered with psalters. - Sitush (talk) 08:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


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Caitlin R. Kiernan[edit]

Would you please look at the recent history of that page and see what you think of the issue? (I'll admit up front that I didn't notice the addition of the other publishers; I have no objection to adding them, but I do object to removing the ISBNs.) LadyofShalott 22:46, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

  • That's a bunch of nonsense. More is better, always, and the argument that since it's incomplete it's better to be more incomplete is hogwash. Does that help? And will you trim the EL section, or do you want the bad cop to do it? I'm on kale, by the way. Drmies (talk) 22:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I'll see if I can do it tomorrow, or later if I can make my computer behave. It's having some weird "issues". LadyofShalott 22:58, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
That's what she said. Drmies (talk) 23:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, I got it functional again. Now to wait for the cries of dismay that half the links are gone. LadyofShalott 00:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I made a redirect based on text in your article that says Dinoraur kale. Then I looked at "what links here" and saw you had already redirected Dinosaur kale. So, do you have a typo and I need to speedily delete an improbable redirect? (If it really is dinosaur kale, the article needs to explain that name!) LadyofShalott 00:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The Larousse Gastronomique has a curious lack of kale. LadyofShalott 00:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Well, their lack is nothing compared to what the science and biology databases have to offer on our species--not a damn thing! And I need some science stuff, esp. since I just found this. Drmies (talk) 01:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Oops. Well, you try this with two screaming kids, dinner needing to be cooked, and an open house on Sunday. I've been painting for days, and it's hardly over. Aw, I just got an invitation to come to the marching band party--and it has a very life-like picture of me on the front. My oldest daughter finally writes her "J" the right way around, haha, which she couldn't resist but point out to me. Drmies (talk) 01:29, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Heehee, I really was asking at first, not trying to give you a hard time - I had actually made the redirect, taking the spelling at face value until I saw the other one! That's cute about the J - it's a big deal when writing's new to you. LadyofShalott 01:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I think 'dinoraur' ought to be a word. Do you care to expand the new gardening section? I have come across dozens of references already in Google books (my search term is simply 'lacinato'), but I have writing about gardening--almost as much as I hate writing about living people. Drmies (talk) 01:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Sure, I'll give it a whirl. Any particularly juicy refs I should start with? LadyofShalott 01:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

<--And now you're throwing out my repellent. (Sheesh! thanks....) That's it--no more WPing while the kids are running around. Drmies (talk) 02:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

No worries, did you see the correction I've beem getting on my talk page about history? Apparently I repeated a common mistake (since removed) in the Franklin House article. BTW, did you see that someone has translated it to the de.wikipedia? I'm not done with the kale cultivation, but I think I'm about done for the night. LadyofShalott 02:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I did see that, yes. I think you and Mr. Quibbler should go on a date. Drmies (talk) 03:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Hahahaha! Mrs. Q. just might have a problem with that! LadyofShalott 03:36, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm getting the impression that a lot of the basic information about cultivation is just general kale info, rather than specific to this cultivar. If I could come up with any scholarship about the 18th c. origins of it, that would be good. I don't know whether that exists or not though. LadyofShalott 03:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've done it...[edit]

I've nominated Camak House for GA. Now I'm nervous. I see that there's a backlog at GAN; so who knows when someone will get to it. LadyofShalott 13:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Malleus is reviewing it. He doesn't like "Coca-Cola Enterprises (the post-merger successor in ownership)". I think that point needs to be made, but I have no idea how to rephrase that. Help? LadyofShalott 23:16, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Was that the problem? He mentioned the 'purchase' construction. (Your parenthetic comment could be expanded to include the full names of the before and the after) BTW, 'thence' in the sense of 'From that time or date' is obsolete, according to the OED, and I agree. I'll look at it later--I'm off to dinner and a couple of beers. I think MF is doing a fine job on a fine article. I'm not much help right now; I'm sorry. Drmies (talk) 00:15, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
He mentioned both. I think I have the purchase bit sorted, but not the parenthetical. The thing is, I know the endpoints, but I have no idea what all entities it may have gone through in between (nor do I care or think it would add anything useful to the article). I may just chew on it overnight. Don't worry about it - I made my request before I read your description of the past couple days or so; have a good long nap. As for the obsolete term, you know what my username is - you expect me to use completely modern language!? :þ (But I changed it anyway.) LadyofShalott 00:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


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DYK May 25[edit]

Hi Drmies!

You have a good grasp of WP canon law, and experience with DYK, and maybe you could look at the latest objection to the (May 25th) Social Democrats, USA nomination? Thanks! Best regards,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Bringing home the bacon[edit]

Hey Doc, do you think you can expand this? Actually if you could delete it that would be good too. What about User:Kelapstick/Turbaconducken, would be nice if it could be DYKd, but I don't think it can be expanded much...--kelapstick(bainuu) 23:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

You might not like this suggestion, but... I think you should merge the latter into Turducken#Variations. LadyofShalott 13:37, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
And you call yourself a member of the Bacon Cabal...actually you are probably right...Doc, want to practice merging histories?--kelapstick(bainuu) 13:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
I feel like such a party pooper. LadyofShalott 00:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Did this get forgotten? LadyofShalott 02:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mitch Skandalakis[edit]

Well, thank you for this article Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Skandalakis was re-elected to a full term in 1994, running as a moderate Republican and openly courting gay voters. Are you sure that courting is the correct word to be used? I understand the context, but...--kelapstick(bainuu) 08:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Hey K, I had a much juicier hook to begin with, but it was a kind of a BLP problem. The hook it ran with (Mandarax's proposal) is the one positive thing in the entire article (so really it's undue weight!)--although, considering what the subject went on to do, one can wonder how positive that was for Georgia to begin with. That courting thing, that's the one thing left from the original (unverified) BLP, and I was unable to verify it. To all of you friendly passers-by, sorry for my absence for a couple of days. We had the open house this afternoon; I have been painting and scraping and cleaning every day from 6:30 AM until nightfall (no, long after it). In a little while, I shall be taking the longest nap in recorded history. Last night I turned on the TV at 11 and realized it was Saturday, since SNL was on. Drmies (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry that hook ended up getting used. I only suggested it because I didn't think ALT2 would be approved because it did focus on negative aspects of the guy (of course, in his case, they were normal, everyday aspects). I thought my ALT4 reworking of your "juicy" original would work, but I guess whoever moved it to prep decided to play it safe. Oh, BTW, none of the hooks ever did get Symbol confirmed.svgfficially approved. I hope the open house was successful. So often those turn out to be really just networking opportunities for the real estate agents and chances for the neighbors to see the house, but I hope yours produced some good prospects. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Aw Dodo...[edit]

Getting mushy, eh? =) Might want to read the last entry of my FAQ then. Get the tissues! The message I left is really my own personal template. I got tired of writing the same thing. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 03:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

  • That is sweet! Drmies (talk) 20:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for copyediting my FAQ. If there is anything else that needs fixing, feel free to fix it. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:19, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Refrigerator Eyes[edit]

Drmies: I just saw you deleted my entry for Refrigerator Eyes. Your deletion was completely unwarranted and quite frankly annoying. It is a slang term based upon a legitimate affliction, irrespective of your ungrounded speculation. I invite you to look up the2006 John Hopkins Study which can be found on the net. First of all, what makes you an expert to make an assessment without doing your research, especially when the deletion was made within 1 minute of posting. Your failure to take care in doing sufficient research only calls into question the integrity of Wikipedia. Complete and gross abuse of your authority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidMichail (talkcontribs) 03:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Uh huh. Having just looked at the deleted article, I think we both know Drmies was fully justified in his deletion. LadyofShalott 04:09, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Not to mention it was tagged by User:Eeekster. Sorry DavidMichail. Thanks Lady! Drmies (talk) 20:46, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Coeur Alaska, Inc. v. Southeast Alaska Conservation Council[edit]

Since we seem to be in the reviewing spirit, I was thinking of sending Coeur Alaska, Inc. v. Southeast Alaska Conservation Council out for peer review:

  1. Is it worth the hassle?
  2. Is the article any good, I am a terrible judge of quality.

--kelapstick(bainuu) 06:16, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

  • That is a pretty nice article, K-stick. Can't you write a happy one, where the good guys win and mining companies don't get to pollute the entire earth? I made minor edits; see if you agree. I think that even though it's relatively short you could try for GA. Mind you, I have not checked the sources for quotes, paraphrase, accurate representation, but I'm sure you have. I also haven't plowed the news archives to see if anything else happened, if any new reports for instance commented on the destruction wrought by all those metals, and if the decision influenced any other mines and companies. I do have one problem: Ginsberg's objection (the first sentence) is not entirely clear to me. Could you clarify? Drmies (talk) 21:09, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
    • I can't write articles where the mining guys loose, that is why I don't like Avatar. I just noticed there is a dead link in the references...Can't find a mirror of it. Awe, Snap.--kelapstick(bainuu) 22:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Doug Langdale[edit]

I didn't make any changes. I readded the external link and categories that were earlier removed. That is all. (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

We must have been editing it at the same time. I was readding the imdb link and categories as you were reverting. (talk) 22:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Right on. Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 22:06, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Netop Summer Camp[edit]

Thanks a lot for disposing of User:Agawamchief. Please feel free to block him from editing Wikipedia, as he as been a nuisance on numerous pages, and I'm tired of removing his edits (I can't quite figure out how to block users). But I'm also wondering why you removed so much off of the Netop Summer Camp page? I realize that there wasn't any references, and I was going to work on that in a matter of days. But I mean, it's all gone! I don't want to start any edit wars, so is there any way we can try and figure out a solution to get most of that information back? I haven't seen the page in a matter of days, so User:Agawamchief may have badly vandalized the page (as he usually does) and you may have just deleted more than you thought (I'm not sure) but what I'm saying is most of that information was quality facts, that with a couple of references, is really complete. Please don't take this as me being angry at you, I'm just a little puzzled as to why the page got so bare, and if there is any way we can get the page close to how it was before. And again, if you know how to, I'm begging you to block User:Agawamchief because you're probably a more experienced Wiki user than I am.Peetlesnumber1 (talk) 01:01, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

  • OK, first of all, that article suffered from a couple of things--that none of the information was verified is one thing, but even if the information I removed was verified it still wouldn't be notable. A schedule of the day's activities is not encyclopedic information, nor is an overview of the activities that take place. Second, there are no reliable sources that establish that the camp is notable in the first place--that it passes WP:N. Right now, it's a prime candidate for deletion, and to stave that off would require the addition of references in secondary sources. See WP:RS for what counts as a reliable source. Finally, I didn't dispose of that editor, and they are warned: if they continue to be disruptive or continue to insult other editors, that's another matter. A block of that editor is a pretty extreme measure, and will only come about as a result of their actions--and those actions would have to constitute serious and/or serial vandalism. I hope this answers your questions. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:40, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Well, I see that it was just now nominated for deletion. I hope you will be able to find reliable sources that establish its notability as a subject for a Wikipedia article. Drmies (talk) 01:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Did the wiki go mad?[edit]

Doc, what is this? I go off for a few weeks and come back to find you with all sorts of extra tools? How did this happen? On a serious note, congratulations, I'm sorry I wasn't here to add another drop to your ocean of support. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 04:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Mustard after the meal, Spiffy, as the Dutch say. But thanks anyway. Where have you been? Out gallivanting again? Or did the struggle over Nair get to you? "Your ancestors were our concubines!" Good to hear from you, and I hope you stick around for a bit. Drmies (talk) 14:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Yup, was in the southern hemisphere close to the date line and decided not take the laptop. Haha, I haven't been near that set of articles in a while, there's an off-wiki consortium (on Orkut if I remember correctly) there and they all seek help and droves of them come to the talk page. I took some admin action on a peripheral article and the attack wagon came after me. I hope to be around for a while now, but it'll be in a peaks and valleys kind of schedule. BTW, I just noticed that you blocked me when I was gone! I'll see you at your hearing at ANI soon. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:11, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Santorum article[edit]

Hey, just wanted to say that your commentary on the issues there was (regardless of whether we agreed or not) very kind and considerate to everyone involved. If all editors were as reasonable, the project would be a much more amicable place. Thanks, Steven Walling 05:33, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Well thanks--that's nice to hear. I have to say, though, that for such a contentious issue the discussion so far is very civil. It's easy enough to be cavalier about it, and I have to refrain myself from being thusly, since it is an important matter. Honestly, I used to think that Savage's coining was the funniest thing in the world, but I am not so sure about that anymore. Not that I have a lot of sympathy for the supposedly Google-bombed victim, but our political discourse seems to have stooped to the level of giving a prize for the biggest and funnest piece of mud flung in a mudfight. And I hope I was clear enough, that I respect SlimVirgin's and Jimbo's position and arguments (just to single out two big players). But it's sad to see that some other editors throw stuff around about Scientology and political motives. Anyway, this is far from over, I'm afraid. I'll go back to the discussion after my class, to see if you are my friend or my mortal enemy, haha. Again, thanks for your note, and let's hope that the discussion doesn't get out of hand. Regards, Drmies (talk) 15:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

The Devil Wears Prada[edit]

Okay, dude, maybe you just don't like me or something but ya know, changing genres is vandalism. If you haven't noticed even the Twinkle warning set-up has recently had a series of new warnings for users that decide to change genres on music articles which proves how disruptive it is. Users get blocked all the time for this act and that user in particular has been blocked twice for that sole reason. As for The Devil Wears Prada being a metalcore band, take a look at these if you would like --> [7][8][9][10] there is also several more sources on the web and in newspapers and magazines that state the same thing as them being a Christian metalcore act while there has never been one reliable source ever saying anything about deathcore. What that IP is doing is equivalent to writing a bunch of crap on the page, even at times I found purely made-up genres and stuff he was posting on articles ensuring that is is no "content dispute", it's just tearing the site apart leaving those like me to revert but oh look, I also get attacked in the process, which is a major offense. -- GunMetal Angel 22:18, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

  • You got attacked and the user got blocked for it. Do you wish I should punish them again for the same offense? And how do you know that user got blocked the last time for changing genres, rather than for insulting you? And have you considered even placing a warning template on their talk page, or dropping them a line saying hey, this isn't the way to go? I don't need to be looking at your references here. You need to add those to the article, and THEN you have a case--they'd be adding unreferenced material or removing referenced material. For what it's worth, they might as well accuse you of removing "deathcore", which they may claim is proper. Would you like to be blocked for changing genres? "Dude"? Drmies (talk) 22:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
That can't happen hence the fact that it was a revert, not a change and that I have all the sources in the world that claim this band metalcore aside from the fact of the users that back that up that know that this band is in fact metalcore as well so that's an odd way to look at things if you ask me. & sure I guess I'll give them a warning template, it's just I didn't necessarily see a big reason on warning him for the same thing he already got blocked for before. -- GunMetal Angel 22:34, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I asked Cirt about this, just below your message, but I'm pretty confident in guessing that the user got blocked for insulting you--I've tried to tell you that three times now. You can have all the sources in the world, but not a single one of those sources is in the article, or in the band's article. I'm trying to give you a way in which you can claim that genre changing is disruptive, which it often is, but you don't seem to listen. Removing verified information and adding unverified information can be seen as disruptive; adding another genre in an article in which no genres are verified in the first place is not per se disruptive. Drmies (talk) 22:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

...I guess so, man. - GunMetal Angel 22:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


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Notable Speakers of the Albanian Language[edit]

I am sorry for "edit-warring" if I have done so. However, as Albanian is a less common language, I believe it would be good to put a list of prominent speakers on the page. Whether or not the people listed are good examples, I believe a "Notable Speakers" section should be made. I hope you concur. Dumbdog45 (talk) 02:31, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Sorry, but you should really take this up on the article talk page, not here. Speaking personally, I don't think that 7.6 million people is very small, and your list should probably consist of most of the people in Category:Albanian people--that's not feasible. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 02:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
  • By the way, Teodore Handarov, the Freshmaker--what was that supposed to mean? Drmies (talk) 02:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Gunmetal Angel and edit summaries[edit]

I noticed you recently left a comment for User:Gunmetal Angel about inappropriate edit summaries. I thought you would be interested to that know I just left him a similar comment only two weeks ago. He almost immediately deleted my message while commenting: "even admins make similar edit summaries when they're frustrated with dealing with the same shit for so long". Fezmar9 (talk) 16:15, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

  • It's easy to get frustrated, esp. in an area where there's so much fan crap and edit warring going on--metal, football, wrestling, etc., but that's no excuse. I hope they stop and I will keep an eye on it. (We don't template the regulars, as I'm sure you know.) Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 16:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Oh believe me, I understand frustration regarding fan crap; Gunmetal and I edit a lot of the same articles. It is genuinely annoying to see an album genre get altered multiple times in the same day. But his methods are inappropriate, and he obviously didn't take note of previous warnings. Is there a purely in good faith and polite way to suggest a temporary wikibreak? If these edits are stressing him out too much, it might be a good idea to take a step back for a bit and return with a level head. Fezmar9 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

helpful script[edit]

Might be helpful.

importScript('User:NuclearWarfare/Mark-blocked script.js');

This is a very helpful script if your working with vandalism. It marks all blocked accounts with a line thru their username on watchlist, signatures, and links to their userpages. Let's you know right away if blocked, if the AIV bot is down to clear reports or just know which ones are already addressed when the list is backlogged. Kindly Calmer Waters 16:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

New to the job[edit]

Hey, I see that on my talk page you wrote "you know I'm new to this job", but no, I didn't know. In fact you seem such an obvious admin that I was really surprised to see that you haven't been one for ages. It seems I am not the only one to think you are an obvious admin, to judge by the truly exceptional amount of support you got: I'm not sure whether 205:1 is some kind of record, but it can't be far off. (Yes, I know, officially it was 205:2, but there's no way I'm going to count Mindunny's "oppose".) Great to have you on board. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks! I appreciate that. I'm personally not counting the other one either, haha, since it seemed to have derived from a moment of anger. But yes, I was very pleased with the amount of support, and I hope I don't screw it up--which is why I'm asking questions like the one I asked you. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:01, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Green Power Labs Inc[edit]

I got "copyright violation warnings" from you in a matter of seconds of posting my text meaning you did not even read the page. I have no idea what are you talking about - I am the author of the original text describing my company which is found on other sites as well. Also with "purely promotional warning" all other solar energy companies are present on Wikipedia - how come? Are you just bullying me? If you are aware of arcane process that companies use to put this info in Wikipedia please explain - that would make you helpful rather then intervening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlkost (talkcontribs) 19:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm a quick reader. Also, my search engine, Google, revealed pretty quickly that it was a cut and paste job. Surely you understand that copyright violation is a serious matter. I replied further on your talk page. Drmies (talk) 19:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Codex Vindobonensis 751[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Random thanks[edit]

Thanks. :-) --Tryptofish (talk) 16:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Your block here[edit]

Hi Drmies,

Of course, I support this block, and who wouldn't? Thanks for taking care of it. I just wonder if it's enough... for instance, the typical process is to release a block after disavowal of the legal threats, but his personal attacks were so vile that I don't think that should happen here. Do you think it makes sense to alter the block to reflect that second reason? I'd rather not do it myself, because I don't want it to look like a WMF ban... (it's not, if you or the community decide I'm crazy or over-reacting on this, do as you will with my blessing!). Thanks for everything that you do. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:11, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Hello Philippe: I have to tell you, I'm new on the job here, and have yet to deal with an unblock request according to the process you describe above. From what I've seen at ANI, such disavowing isn't that frequent--I've never seen such editors return--but I'm sure it has happened or can happen. I made an extra note in my block summary, "Besides disruptive editing, spam, foul language, and bad manners," and I assume that an admin who would consider unblocking would take that as a prompt to look more carefully into the content of the edits, which were, indeed, pretty vile. But for me, the primary reason was the legal threat, so I'm a bit hesitant to change that in hindsight, even though your argument makes sense. How about this: I will place a notice on WP:AN, to call on the collective wisdom of those who've been in this situation, and we'll see what they say. Thank you for your kind words, and for your interest in the matter. Drmies (talk) 18:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
There's no particular need to do that, unless you want to. I really don't want to impose that on anyone. But I think your note on the block makes sense. That may be sufficient. :) Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:55, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Well, so far it seems that no one would ever consider unblocking this editor, as I expected, and it seems that an additional note/block change will not be necessary. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
BTW, my wording above wasn't perfectly clear: I included that note I cited above at the time I made the block, because it seemed a somewhat extraordinary case with more than one block rationale. Drmies (talk) 20:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Project Amicus deletion[edit]


New to posting to Wiki but do not understand how my Project Amicus posting did not meet the criteria of notability. This project has already been announced in March to the press and has enough information available as well as outside sources to corroborate it as a legitimate topic to be linked off of the Grindr, LLC wikipedia page. This is an announced yet unreleased piece of technology much like iCloud which was only announced 2 days ago, is not released but has a full Wiki page.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopher.dilley (talkcontribs) 19:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Hello Christopher--one obvious problem is that the links that came with the article (like this one, which you added to Grindr) don't mention Amicus at all. Thus the topic does not come close to passing our notability criteria. See WP:N. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • iCloud isn't much of a comparison--it has coverage which actually mention the topic. I saw it being announced on CNN. It's notable in a way that Amicus is clearly not (yet). Drmies (talk) 20:58, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

The original Grindr article should have had the reference done correctly, which I've now corrected and does directly name Project Amicus as well as go into detail as to what the developing software will encompass. The secondary resource is the press release directly from Grindr, LLC which together should suffice for notability considering the magnitude of the developers. Should it not get the same consideration as iCloud another yet to be released, in development only announced piece of software? --Christopher.dilley (talk) 20:58, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

  • The Vanity Fair article mentions it, in one sentence. That's probably not enough by our standards, but who knows. A press release is not a secondary source, of course. I suggested you look at WP:N. If you do, you'll see sentences like "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". That's the bar. Drmies (talk) 21:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Understood. I've found the following articles to use as back-up. If this is sufficient is it possible to restore the framework of the deleted article so I don't have to go through all of the coding again?

along with said original press release

Thank you --Christopher.dilley (talk) 21:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

  • I have placed the article in your personal user space, at User:Christopher.dilley/Project Amicus, so feel free to work on it as much as you like. I warn you though, the above links probably don't count as reliable sources in the sense of WP:RS, besides the Vanity Fair thing. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I've edited and cited, can this be moved back in for review? Thank you --Christopher.dilley (talk) 22:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Go ahead and see if it flies. It certainly looks a lot better. Try it yourself: on the top of the editing screen there's the "move" function. Click it, type in the proper name, and there you are. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 00:26, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Raniere Page[edit]

Hi Drmies, I don't think I ever had the chance to thank you for your intervention at the Raniere page. Because of your actions, I think that the page has become more amenable to discussion. Please let me know if I can ever help you out with any projects you have! U21980 (talk) 06:21, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

  • You're welcome. That was a bit of a mess, wasn't it, with conflicts of interest all over the place. Well, glad I was able to help, thank you for your work also, and all the best. Drmies (talk) 14:48, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Look, please...[edit]

at Vinea summer camp. I've listed it at AfD, but will withdraw if refs can be found. LadyofShalott 13:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks Lady--I found a couple of things and have edited the article some. Drmies (talk) 16:10, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! I suppose I should have made that request before I listed it at AfD. Shame on me. LadyofShalott 16:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Not to worry on my personal account, though the universe will not appreciate your having wasted electrons on the issue. BTW, they charge E400 per week per kid. That's steep. Drmies (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

AfD for The Deathless[edit]

Just to let you know, an article you have previously AfDed is at the AFD again. The discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Deathless (2nd nomination). Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:11, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

You take over[edit]

I'm guessing you were on recent changes patrol, I'll let you take over. ;-)--Thepoliticalmaster (talk) 18:32, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

  • No no, please don't. At some point I have get to work! Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
I've got to go myself, so I said! Are you admin? --Thepoliticalmaster (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Since recently, yes. Would you like for me to block you? ;) Drmies (talk) 18:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Why? 8-/ --Thepoliticalmaster (talk) 18:57, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


It might be, but let's see what happens after the block expires. The next step should be an indef, the 24h being a "shot across the bows" stern warning. Mjroots (talk) 20:53, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Sock investigation notice[edit]

You were previously involved in blocking one of the related socks; please see - Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Prince-au-Léogâne. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 02:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks Cirt--I appreciate your effort. Drmies (talk) 02:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Karl May page - again[edit]

Hello Drmies

Since last year's episode with the spammer defacing your Wikipedia page on Karl May in my name, over a lengthy and persistent time, I've been checking regularly (once burnt twice shy). With gratitude have I noticed that Zdenek Dubrava's (I like his new Czech name) renewed attempts at damaging me have been detected. One peculiar thing caught my eye with the 7 March article that was "unverified and tendentious paragraph, with gratuitous spamming for the Karl May society" - the link in the deleted text led straight to a page where an article by Walther Ilmer was posted. Walther Ilmer was my 'spammer friend's' [friend in this case is meant ironically] idol. Tho, coincidentally, that article was posted by a German IP address. Now, I'll have to sign this post with marliesb and four tildes, as this is truly me, Marlies Bugmann, the translator in question, who has posted this, not some imposter in my name. I feel like this is dungeons and dragons ...

I shall keep checking the English Karl May Wikipedia page - thank you for being so vigilant.

Greetings marliesb Marliesb (talk) 03:27, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

    • Is there anything going on recently? I've looked, but there is only minor activity. I wish a Karl May lover who knew how to write encyclopedically would come along and really clean up that article... Drmies (talk) 03:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
-) - yes, that's what I said - but I'm not that panicky now - enemy Inshuns identified, not so dangerous now :-) (Spass beiseite). Not recently, it was March (the spamming article - I wish that person hadn't done that because the Karl May Gesellschaft are doing a great job, they don't need spamming suspicion) and January 2011 when the fake Zdenek Dubrava struck twice.

Well ... I thought the same thing ... you need a Karl May lover who can do that. I am that, alas I write prose, not encyclopaedically, and some of the de-Germanization that has taken place lately has improved the article. I won't volunteer, that would inflame the enemy Inshuns' dislike of me and cause them to raise the war hatchet even higher (and holler louder). It would expose me to all sorts of malodorous influxes. I'll concentrate on translating and researching May's work - that's far more fun. I work privately with a number of people (internationally) on English Karl May and Karl May related texts, that's as far as it goes - privately only.

So I guess I'll sign with the four tildes again and my infamous marliesb - cheerio from Tassie

marliesb Marliesb (talk) 04:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lacinato kale[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 18:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Hendrick Bogaert[edit]

Thanks for removing that ridiculously large and and threatening Coren Bot tag from my painter stub on Hendrick Bogaert! I was just as puzzled as to why the bot tagged the article as you were. The only thing I could think of was that this particular painter is one of a string of three that the biographer Arnold Houbraken disapproved of and of whom he told "dirty" stories, so the words poop, pigs, and brandywine are in there. Since a few days passed since I pressed the save button, I was also worried that this Coren beast was now an "unwatched bot". I take it from your actions that I don't need to remove these myself (which would be politically incorrect as the writer of the article I guess) if it happens in future. This is the second time it happened to me, the other one was for Concert in the Egg which has the unencyclopedia words "robbed" and "yokel" in it. In that case, the bot did at least latch on to the original artist name, but there was no text to uphold a claim of plagiarism there either. Jane (talk) 07:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Hi Jane--I don't know why the bot did what it did. You, as the creator, have the right to remove the tag (in my opinion anyway); if you explain in an edit summary why you're doing that there should be no problem. Also: thanks for writing up all those Dutch painters! Drmies (talk) 17:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Did your book arrive?[edit]

Did your book arrive? In other news, I have been recruited onto my division's basketball team for the intercompany tournament (which is really used to draft for the company team for the site wide tournament). Once I found out that they only drafted me so I would "sponser" the team's entry fee (6,000), I negotiated the position of coach, but that honour comes with buying the team pizza and beer...--kelapstick(bainuu) 04:31, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

  • No, I still haven't gotten anything. Like the homebuyers, everything seems to be overlooking our neighborhood. You leed an interesting and difficult life, Kelapstick. Are you buying hot wings as well? Drmies (talk) 21:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


Well, I finally put Barbara Longhi into mainspace. If you'd like to re-add your information, that would be great; or if you'd rather not, that's fine too. For your convenience, I've provided your stuff here...

Thanks again for your input and understanding. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 18:58, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Mandarax, go put it in yourself! I hereby bequeath to you a sentence of hidden and moderately relevant prose; may you prosper with it and get lots of DYK hits. Drmies (talk) 21:01, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Whaddayaknow. I go and nominate it for a DYK, to find you had already done that. Drmies (talk) 03:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Thanks for your contribution to the article. And thanks for the nomination; sorry I beat you to it. Less than an hour before your attempt, I was actually getting ready to add an ALT to my nomination that was very similar to one you submitted. If you check the article's history, you'll see that my edit immediately before yours had the edit summary Additional ref for the "15" fact; this was additional sourcing specifically for my ALT I was considering. But then I began investigating the fact about there being just fifteen known Longhi paintings, of which twelve are of Madonna and Child. One of the sources that mentions the fact goes on to describe, if I'm counting correctly, seventeen of her paintings (at least one is an altarpiece; maybe they don't count that?). The image which was in Commons before I started writing the article, and at least two of the ones I uploaded are not among those listed. Adding to the difficulty, every source seems to give a different title for every painting. So I don't know if those are ones that are definitely attributed to her, or ones that are thought to probably be hers, or ones by her followers or studio, or who knows what? I ended up weakening the numerical statement in the article and removing the images I have doubts about. D'oh!
        Oh, would you delete User:Mandarax/BL for me? Thanks, MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 05:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
        • Sure thing, Mandarax. Drmies (talk) 14:39, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


You are married and you do have kids. Tiderolls 00:46, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Don't tell my boy/girlfriend. And please don't tell the Lady! Drmies (talk) 00:47, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Too late! :D LadyofShalott 00:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Lady! It's not what you think! They're only real, not digital, like our love! Drmies (talk) 00:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Pssh... what's this "real" of which you type? LadyofShalott 01:52, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm. Drmies, are you keeping a hidden life from your wiki-girl The Lady?BarkingMoon (talk) 01:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

<--Someone on Facebook just told me to "go wik off". Drmies (talk) 02:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Shufflemaster[edit]

You may want to take a look at User talk:Shufflemaster, if it is not on your watch list, since they relied to your comment there. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


You have email. LadyofShalott 00:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

  • I also have a problem. I was so sure that the title of this book, which traces the influence of Judith, was called Holy Warrior or something close to that, and I'm finding nothing. I'll check--but this better be good! Drmies (talk) 02:05, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Uh oh. LadyofShalott 02:11, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Stocker, Margarita: Judith, Sexual Warrior: Women and Power in Western Culture. It's a great book! Drmies (talk) 02:11, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Very nice. Is this for another planned article? LadyofShalott 02:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
For Mrs. Drmies. Hey, you have email as well, with the account of an almost incredible coincidence. Drmies (talk) 02:37, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:People with poliomyelitis would apply. Is it relevant enough to his life to add? LadyofShalott 02:51, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Yes, I think so. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 03:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

My heart is in the earth : true stories of Alabama and Mexico looks intriguing, but I haven't found any reviews of it. LadyofShalott 03:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

There's your gold mine! LadyofShalott 03:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC) Nevermind, that's not news to you. LadyofShalott 03:10, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
He published a volume of poetry. Again, haven't found any reviews. LadyofShalott 03:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Efik Language Talk Page personal attacks![edit]

Hello Again Drmies! You can now re-read the discussions on Efik Talk page, I just realized how to make the spacing show. I also deleted the Caps because it's now clearer to read, you can also read clearly Kwami's responses and see that Kwami is refusing to change the error he/she made to the page eventhough I have Repatedly pointed out the mistakes. I have also provided numerous sources but Kwami calls the sources ignorant and Claims that my writing is " incoherent and nonsensical", so who is the one attacking the other personaly? I have told Kwami that he/she made a big error in changing ibibio language page to Efk language with the ibibio phrases, also that the 2 languages are differs just like French & Spanish, also as there is nothing like a language called French-Spanish there is also isn't a language called Ibibio-Efik. Am a native who speak this languages, but Kwami isn't from Nigeria and doesn't know anything about these languages and Has Also refused to Change the Mistake He made in Februrary 17. If you still continue to support Kwami, then you are helping to Portray Wikipedia as Encyclopedia Of LIES! Ibibiogrl (talk) 22:17, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Well, this is certainly an improvement. I am not supporting Kwami necessarily, and I am not an expert on any of those languages--I'm just a regular linguist. The content of those edits does not interest me greatly; my concern was with the way in which you addressed your grievance. Filing 3RR reports when the accused party wasn't guilty of edit-warring, that's one of those things. Don't put me in some opposing camp based on my judgment of content, please. Drmies (talk) 00:17, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
  • You are not Supporting Kwami, But you reported that I called Kwami Slow, Dumb etc. Yet Kwami used the words Ignorance 1st. "As for Ukwa, your ignorance is not evidence of anything". Drmies what is the meaning of IGNORANCE? S/He also said;
"But we cannot have the same article under two names, nor an article on Ibibio-Efik that does not include Ibibio, nor an article on Efik that does not include Efik. A little common sense would be helpful."

What is meaning of Common sense? Or because Kwami put it very nicely, and mine wasn't? Also I wasn't blanking the Efik page, since I just signed on it takes me a long while to write up an article. According to the statements above, Kwami said I could develop articles on Efik and Ibibio, that is what I was doing when you or your other BIASED administrators returned the articles back to the re-direct.

  • According to Wikipedia A false statement/article is removed immediatley it is realized. Yet once I pointed out the mistakes, Kwami kept insisting that me a native who speaks these languages was wrong and asked for sources. I provided the sources and Kwami Called A brilliant Historian who is a Million times more knowledgable than Kwami on the language;
"utterly ignorant AND not some random idiot who posted a web page".

Yet you DRMIES and your other Biased colleges are claiming that am the one attacking and causing a disruption.

  • I can be Block because I don't care to be part of a web/Encyclopedia of Lies! Like I said I only just signed on to fixed this error. Am done with You all, am going to be taking this issues to the Founder/head by email, once the Ibibio union are involved it might become a legal matter if Wikipedia still continues to portray this misleading information.

I will take this matter to the heads by Email first because they might not be aware of what you all supposed administrators are doing to their image — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibibiogrl (talkcontribs) 21:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Have you flipped that picture to Commons yet?[edit]

Have you flipped that picture to Commons yet? The guy who took it had nothing but nice things to say about WG. --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:35, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

  • K, I'm sorry--I don't understand the question. "Flipped"? Has he changed the license on it? Drmies (talk) 03:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Yes, moved it to Commons, I thought a cropped version might make a good picture for the DYK hook. I had left a message for you, but you aren't a very good talk page stalker.--kelapstick(bainuu) 03:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
      • K, I was going to go there tonight! Thanks pal... PS New suggestion: Mo Willems has a new series, Amanda and her Alligator. Drmies (talk) 03:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
        • Enjoy, I anticipate a picture of his pool, complete with drinks with umbreallas to grace the article some day. I picked up The Pigeon Wants a Puppy! when I was in Golden, Colorado for work a couple years ago, and we got Don't Let the Pigeon Drive the Bus! some time last year...good stuff.--kelapstick(bainuu) 03:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
          • Mo Willems is great! I think we have some signed copies of some of his stuff in the Children's Department. I hope your kids are in a summer reading program. LadyofShalott 03:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
            • You know what they say, Mo Money Mo Problems...not sure if you were advising me or the doc, but my son's year is basically a year long reading program. You should see his library. --kelapstick(bainuu) 04:08, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
              • Both of you, and good for you/your son! Not all kids' parents choose to go that route - even if they go to the library. :( LadyofShalott 04:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Whether she is or not, as much reading together as possible is a good thing. I saw your troutfest at ANI. I wonder what sort of response you'll get. LadyofShalott 04:34, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi. I've created some minutes before you created the "3rd nomination". I think it would be a good nomination to move your comment to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pirouline_(2nd_nomination) and delete the 3rd nomination page... Because the 2nd nomination that I created today isn't even closed. Thanks, Lipsabove33 (talk) 17:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

  • I did that because your first version wasn't well-formed, and by the time I sent it to AfD you had already listed it there. Drmies (talk) 17:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Recently deleted Spartak Singh page[edit]

i have recently created a page about myself. it had no vandalism on it and everything was true, unoffencive and neutral. i am not sure how to site sources on a page about myself. and i want to find out how to do so, so that i dont have my page deleted again. i want u to briefly explain to me what i have to do, i dont want just another link to "your first article" page. Neutrozixide (talk) 19:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

  • You are not a notable person. See WP:N. It was deleted under the A7 guideline and cannot be recreated (this was the third time). Thank you. Drmies (talk) 19:20, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Excarpsus cummeani[edit]

Hello Drmies,

I noticed you marked an article as a stub using the {{stub}} template. Did you know that there are thousands of stub types that you can use to clarify what type of stub the article is? Properly categorizing stubs is important to the Wikipedia community because it helps various WikiProjects to identify articles that need expansion.

If you have questions about stub sorting, don't hesitate to ask! There is a wealth of stub information on the stub sorting WikiProject, and hundreds of stub sorters. Thanks!

Baseball Watcher 21:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks, but I wouldn't want to put the stub sorters out of a job. The market is bad enough as it is. Drmies (talk) 00:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Whatever sort it is, it's expanded a little now. LadyofShalott 03:12, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Lady, as usual. And what you added is really useful--are you trying to broaden your scope? Feel free to bring it up to DYK status! Drmies (talk) 04:12, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I can work on it some more, but I'll need help. I'm a bit out of my depth here with medieval religious texts. LadyofShalott 13:58, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
BTW, did you see that someone said it needed a taxobox? LadyofShalott 14:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
This is just confusing to me. LadyofShalott 14:16, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Haha, a taxobox. That's pretty funny. Drmies (talk) 16:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

My Dutch?[edit]

Non-existent, I'm afraid! :-) Looking at a translated version of that article, it seems this info could go in Spinosauridae (though it would be better to find a more academic source). Cheers, mgiganteus1 (talk) 00:00, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Ha, academic sources for reptilians, that's not my forte. But that's also why I didn't put it in there, as I might have with some less scientific article. Good luck with it! Drmies (talk) 00:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

The 3 J's[edit]

Thank you for your message regarding my article about The 3 J's. However, with all due respect, I think it would be a mistake for you to have this article deleted. I detailed it to the best of my ability with actual facts when I wrote it. I wasn't trying to pretend to be a sportswriter. Mr. Brain (talk) 01:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Then what are you doing talking about the Mavericks in 2011? That has nothing to do with it. Drmies (talk) 02:54, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


This is a valid offically recognised name!! Unlike Roxelana, which is transliterated as "Roksolana" Roxolana, Roxelane, Rossa, or Ruziac. Therefore the title of the page should be re-defined as Hürrem Sultan NOT as Roxolena, "Roksolana" Roxolana, Roxelane, Rossa, or Ruziac. (talk) 01:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Answer to your previous inquiry[edit]

Sigismund II Augustus and Sigismond Auguste both have valid links in English Wiki. So they both are acceptable. (talk) 01:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

French - Sigismond Auguste
English - Sigismund II Augustus

Both have valid links for English Wiki72.192.208.80 (talk) 02:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

  • OK, I don't know what you're talking about. What I do know is that you need to take this up on the article talk page, not here. Drmies (talk) 02:55, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Cow shit[edit]

Talking of bullshit, did you see David Inskeep! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

  • RHaworth, that was a beautiful article and I'm sad to see it deleted. It could easily have been expanded, and that would have been the perfect excuse for creating Category:Bullshit. Somewhere in that article is an allegory on Wikipedia...just can't put my finger on it... Drmies (talk) 16:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

If you do put your finger on it, make sure to wash thoroughly afterwards. The author complained, so I have restored it to David Inskeep manure spill and sent it to AfD. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Hm. It's trip to AfD seems to have been interrupted by some copyvio issues. I note that once again the Lady is getting her frock dirty; Lady, using HotCat doesn't mean you keep your fingers clean. Remember how we used to meet over buckets of semen? Have we not moved beyond that? Drmies (talk) 00:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Ugh, I think that was still the most vile thing I've managed to involve myself in here. However, eliberately dumping tons of cow feces into the water is its own kind of low. LadyofShalott 00:36, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to the Bacon Challenge 2012[edit]


Hello! You have been invited to take part in the Bacon Challenge 2012. In case you don't know or need a refresher, the Bacon Challenge is an annual celebration of bacon on Wikipedia in which editors come together to help create, expand, and improve Wikipedia's coverage of bacon. The event lasts all the way through National Pig Day 2012, giving participants plenty of time to work at their pleasure. In addition to the Bacon Challenge is the Bacon WikiCup 2012, a side event to the Challenge in which all bacon-related contributions done by those participating in the Challenge are submitted and scored by the scorekeeper (me) based on the scoring chart. At the end of the Challenge, the user with the most points in the Bacon WikiCup will win a shiny trophy for their userpage. In addition, the users who score the highest in specific categories (not yet finalized, but the categories include most image uploads, most article creations, most DYK submissions, and more) will win barnstars. Finally, all participants will receive a medal. While the awards are nice, in the end, the important thing is to have fun and enjoy what we're all here for, which is improving Wikipedia.

If you decide to participate, great! You may add your name to the participants list at the main page of the Bacon Challenge 2012, and pick up the userbox for your userpage if you desire. Signing up for the Challenge will also automatically enter you into the Bacon WikiCup. If you don't wish to participate, that's fine too - maybe next year! In the meantime, if you know anyone who might also be interested in participating, feel free to invite them! The Challenge is open to anyone and accepts participants at any time, so feel free to let anyone who might be interested know.

Note that I, the scorekeeper of the Bacon WikiCup, will be on vacation starting on the 18th of June all the way up until the 5th of July. I will have limited access to the internet, so I may or may not be able to score users' contributions during this time. Sorry for any delay in scoring (but since the Challenge lasts for more than half a year, there's no rush, right? (= ).

I'm looking forward to another fun, successful year. Thanks! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 22:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Just so you know...[edit]

I was able to condense my article about The 3 J's somewhat in hopes of saving my article from deletion. Hopefully, this editing maneuver will be taken into account. Mr. Brain (talk) 04:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


Ah, thanks! It was my mistake. At first glance it read as a binomial name. Sorry bout that! Ruigeroeland (talk) 15:16, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

  • No worries. We all thought it was pretty funny. ;) Drmies (talk) 15:21, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Glas (book) GTG for DYK, possible alt hook suggest[edit]

I was amazed how much I enjoyed reading your article, though I gritted my teeth when I saw it involved Derrida. What a ham that guy was, though maybe he had to be like that to bring home the bacon in his field. I did suggest an alt hook, but feel free to reject it. Sharktopus talk 19:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

  • I guess that's a compliment! Well, I'm not the best reader of Derrida, that's a fact, and I've lost patience with him more than once. But I am looking forward to finally getting my own copy of Glas. A bit of trivia: one of those translators is a former professor of mine. By all accounts he was the best-read man on campus, and I believe it. Now I'm off to look at that hook--thanks! Drmies (talk) 21:00, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Oh man, this is getting less like fun and more like work. The reason for my original sentence structure was (awkward) avoidance of putting "as" twice so close together. Making the suggestion for an "ALT 29bXLV(24)" here rather than at T:DYK -- how about moving Hegel and Genet into the quote and dropping the reviewer's name out of charity to her:

... that one reviewer described Jacques Derrida's 1974 book Glas by saying, "As the father's phallus works in the mother's hymen, between two legs, so Glas works at origins, between two columns, between Hegel and Genet"?

    • If you like it, use it and if you don't, don't. Sharktopus talk 16:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, you're the English teacher...[edit]

I have a disagreement with another editor about an apostrophe at Go the Fuck to Sleep and its talk page. LadyofShalott 23:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm not much help, but I responded. Thanks Lady. Drmies (talk) 00:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I see... thank you! Is it terribly perverse of me that I'm quite enjoying that conversation? LadyofShalott 01:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Ha, so was I, and I told Mrs. Drmies all about it over dinner. She agrees with the gerund, BTW, but she also admits that it's on rhetorical rather than grammatical grounds. Anyway, this is much more pleasant than my other current disagreement, over a DYK hook. Drmies (talk) 01:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Mmm, yes, I see. That's... odd. The reaction from the other person seems disproportionate to the request. LadyofShalott 01:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Heh. Drove another experienced editor out of this place? Just the kind of bullying we expect from newly minted admins wielding their power arbitrarily and capriciously. Bongomatic 04:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes. I don't know how I did it, Bongo, and I can't say I'm happy about it. Drmies (talk) 04:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Either he/she was just having a bad day, or is too fragile for friendly but direct interaction with strangers with differing viewpoints. Collaborative environments aren't for everyone, even good content creators (not that I have a view as to that editor's contributions—I haven't reviewed beyond the conversation). Bongomatic 05:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

<--Sharktopus is so wishing he had kept his big sharky mouth shut, seeing all the trouble that resulted from trying to make people laugh. The article is back at T:DYK, thanks to MaterialScientist, I also tried to fix the alt hook as you suggested, but I would absolutely defer to Drmies about what hook it goes out with. My apologies for drama I never intended. I also sent email to the retired editor urging him/her to come back, and would encourage others to do the same. Sharktopus talk 12:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I have not emailed the editor, but I have just added my encouragement for him/her to return on the editor's talk page. LadyofShalott 12:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Sharktopus, you're fine--you offered a good suggestion in the proper way, and I thank you for it. Drmies (talk) 13:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Lady, will you look at the new hook also, please? And Mandarax, if you're stalking by, your help is always appreciated. I'm not sure, for instance, how well the quote works now that the columns are no longer explained (as in the first hook). Drmies (talk) 14:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I commented at the dyk page. You may not like what I said... sorry. --LadyofShalott-alt (talk) 02:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC) Dang, I don't like being without my watchlist!
Actually, thinking a little more about it, I think the lack of explanation of the columns is exactly the problem I have with it. I just can't understand the quote without some context for it. --LadyofShalott-alt (talk) 02:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Addition to WWI (about Nicholas's II telegram)[edit]

Dear Drmies, on June 13, you remove my add to WWI (Revision history of World War Iyou wrote: "these are pretty serious changes in content and (citation) style. please take up on talk page. (undo)). Now I give four RS for my addition: please, look at Talk WWI and tell your opinion on whether these secondary sources are RS.

I think, now we can put the text to the following:

July 29, Nicholas II sent the telegram to Wilhelm II, with the suggestion to transmit the Austro-Serbian question to the Hague Conference (in Hague tribunal) – Wilhelm II did not respond to this telegram.[28][29][30][31][32][33].

[28]: ref>Palaeologus M.G. Tsarist Russia during World War. – Moscow. Publisher "International Relations", 1991 (page 155, 156 - in Russian). - 1st Edition: Paléologue M.G. La Russie des Tsars pendant la grande guerre.— Paris: Plon, 1922. (Chapter XII)</ref

[29]: ref>Maurice Paléologue. An ambassador's memoirs, Volume 1 - Octagon Books, 1972</ref

[30]: ref>G. Buchanan. «My Mission to Russia and other diplomatic memories», 1923 (P.200)</ref

[31]: ref>[The Evidence in the Case. A Discussion of the Moral Responsibility for the War of 1914, as Disclosed by the Diplomatic Records of England, Germany, Russia, France, Austria, Italy and Belgium. by James M. Beck, LL.D. Late Assistant Attorney-General of the U. S. Author of "The War and Humanity."] (p.81, p.106)</ref

[32]: ref> History of Russia. XX Century/ edited by Dr., Prof. Andrei Zubov.(Volume I, 1894-1939). - M.: AST Publishers, 2010 . (P. 291)</ref

[33]: The data of all secondary sources are confirmed by primary sources (texts of telegrams from well-known Willy-Nicky Telegrams July 29 -1 August 1914).

What are your opinion? Борис Романов (talk) 19:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC) Boris Romanov

  • Thanks for your note--but this is a matter for the talk page, where you and other knowledgeable editors are already actively discussing this. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 19:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Ibrahim El-Dessouqi[edit]

Hi Drmies, I wouldn't be too suspicious here. {{notenglish}} is often applied because people simply don't know about the inline option. Cheers, De728631 (talk) 22:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  • I didn't now about it (thanks!), but see this. Drmies (talk) 22:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

WXYZ slogans[edit]

The slogans for WXYZ are accurate. WXYZ was an ABC owned station at the time, and all the ABC owned stations were required to use the localized version of the ABC campaigns for their respective sttations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CircleWXYZ (talkcontribs) 01:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your comment. Please see WP:V. But even if it were verified, what could possibly be worthwhile about a list of slogans? Drmies (talk) 02:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Anna Frodesiak's talk page.

DYK nomination of Glas (book)[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Glas (book) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Sharktopus talk 03:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


Thank you for cleaning up WBBM-TV a little so its a bit more readable now. I appreciate it. You may want to check on other TV stations in Chicago (WGN-TV) and (WLS-TV) for the same problems. --ḾỊḼʘɴίcảTalkI DX for fun! 06:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Ha, thanks--but I went through so many of them last night my eyes still hurt. ;) Drmies (talk) 14:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

TV station vandal[edit]

We've come up with a simple plan. Please see User:Anna Frodesiak/Black sandbox. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Simultaneous discovery[edit]

Hi Drmies, I was just working to eliminate this Howard Bown practical joke and I see you got to it first. Here is my full story: User_talk:Ser_Amantio di Nicolao#Trying to erradicate a bad joke you had sniffed, if you care to read it. I am after the other two instances now. Thanks. Hoverfish Talk 18:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Ha, that's how I got there. I saw a friendly name on a friendly user talk page. Sorry I beat you to it--I thought you had done them all already. I did a little digging and uncovered some more vandalism from that IP/IPs, and left a note on Ser's page. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 18:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Anti "Roman" vandal[edit]

I've added , now blocked by Favonian, to your list. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Another one! Thanks BMK--your watchful attitude is appreciated. Drmies (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

BLP Prod on Lia Niles[edit]

I think you'll find the article did not make that clear when I placed the tag. Thanks. Reichsfürst (talk) 19:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks, but the article looked exactly the same--it has an infobox for a soap character, and in that box it says "Brianna Brown as Dr. Lia Niles", besides things like "Portrayed by" and "Created by". These are all pretty clear indications that this is not a BLP. Drmies (talk) 19:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • When I placed the tag it was just an infobox, so admittedly an honest mistake was made, please don't get sarky about it. I apologise if you view it as my wasting your time, but I do look through a large number of the newly created pages and a couple of mistakes in a few hundred are easily put right by more venerable editors, such as your kind self. Reichsfürst (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Reichsfürst, you misunderstand me. I had no intention of criticizing. You are doing valuable work. I left you a note, however, since you are relatively new and since (in my opinion) tagging for deletion is one of the most serious editing acts one can perform--it should be done carefully. It's not a matter of a couple of mistakes or a couple more mistakes--everyone makes mistakes, old farts like me included. And you were not wasting my time; I hope I'm not wasting yours. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 21:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I apologise for viewing your comment as such - I shall take on board your comment and be more careful in future. Reichsfürst (talk) 21:21, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • No apology necessary! BTW, there was something else going on: that 'empty' article was a miss from the get-go, as I discovered when I clicked on the name of the actress who played the part--it's Lisa, not Lia. If you like, go to what is now a redirect, and see if you think it qualifies for speedy deletion under Wikipedia:Csd#Redirects, R3. I think it's a borderline case. There are lots of ins and outs to the three editor-initiated methods of deletion, and practice makes perfect. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • It could probably stay. I'm not sure if you're the right person to ask but is there a way I can view the number of pages I have patrolled anywhere? Thanks. Reichsfürst (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC).
    • Hmm. I don't know if there is a technical term attached to "patrol". Your contributions ("My contributions", on top of the page) is are here and your edit count (on "My contributions", link all the way at the bottom) is this. I'm sure there's lots of other stats available, but as far as "patrolling" goes (with flags for new articles and such), you can try browsing around at Wikipedia:New pages patrol. Drmies (talk) 23:47, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry for having to ask you this I'm just not quite sure where to go having looked at the relevant page; I'd love an experienced wikipedian to act as a sort of informal mentor to help me with starting to create pages and with wikipedia policy etc but I don't know where I can sign up for this? Thanks. Reichsfürst (talk) 16:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Query about a source[edit]

Hi, I seem to recall that Indian articles are something that you would rather avoid ... but I have the same attitude to WP:RSN, which frequently in my experience fails to manage a clear consensus. So, I wonder if I could run something by you that does not actually mean you have to look at the article talk page etc, although obviously you are welcome to look at it.

Article is A. Nesamony, a now dead politician. Principle sources have been a couple of works which are apparently only available in Hindi. No ISBN numbers, no sign that the authors are notable or that any of their works have been cited anywhere. At least one of these sources appears to have had a print run of as few as 1,000 copies and asked for donations (no cover price). They're published by a publishing house whose name begins "Nesamony", and is apparently at the very least supported by a current member of a political party which appears to be the successor to Nesamony's own party. The contributor who has been adding these sources has been indulging in personal attacks against innocent ole me, and generally not getting the point when queried. S/he has a history of doing the same on a completely unrelated article, which on that occasion ended up at ANI. In particular, I have been unable to ascertain whether there is any critique of Nesamony's life at all in the sources or whether they are merely hagiography.

My gut feeling is that they should be treated as unreliable, on the basis of there being an accumulation of bad smells., but I would appreciate another viewpoint as it is not a high-traffic page. One other contributor agreed with my early concerns but has not been active on the article for a few weeks. - Sitush (talk) 19:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Indian articles??? (Did you catch me at Holy Hair Controversy?) I'll have a looksee later. Thanks Sitush! (Like I need more bad smells.) Drmies (talk) 20:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • No, not there. The long and the short of it is, well, I spotted you demonstrating your new skills on Pygmies, erm, Pygmy. - Sitush (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • You may be off the hook. C.Fred has just supported my NPA notice at Kumaripriya, and so may possibly weigh in on the article talk page also. - Sitush (talk) 20:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • A quick look at their contributions verifies that we're not dealing with a helpful editor. I looked at the article, and find that difficult to judge--it's hardly my area of expertise (I'm an honorary Tamil, with the emphasis on honorary) and I can't judge. But it does look like a lot of "Indian articles" I've looked at: poor sourcing, self-published references, a history of aggrandizing and POV editing. Your editor's comments on the talk page, I've seen those before as well: a combination of too much pride (ofermod, to cite the Battle of Maldon) and lack of knowledge of WP policies, leading to accusations of partisan editing and conspiracies. Pff. You have behaved more patiently than could be expected, and I admire your diplomacy. You'll make someone a nice admin one of these days. Anyway, that last remark of theirs is worth an NPA warning, certainly. Sorry I can't help really with content matters. Have you dropped Spiffy a line? User:SpacemanSpiff? If they're not gallivanting around the Southern hemisphere they might be of use as well. Thanks Sitush, and keep the faith, Drmies (talk) 03:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the comments and the lead. Spiff pretty much agrees with my comments about SPS etc. Got a couple of useful leads from that, which is great. As for making someone a nice admin, well, I have my doubts. I am spending far too much time working in areas that are hugely contentious and one consequence of that is my name keeps getting dropped at ANI etc. I keep promising to move back to what I really want to do - those boring articles about Mancunian industry etc - and am increasingly of the opinion that I need to force that decision on myself. Don't get me wrong: the Indian articles are fascinating stuff but the aggravation ... - Sitush (talk) 00:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I feel your pain re:aggravation. I blame Spiff, in part, with that Indian flag of his--though one of my earliest concerted efforts was Arundhati Roy, contentious enough: a ton of BLP violations and a mass of disruption from the famous (?) socker from the Research Triangle. Well, I've not seen you get blasted anywhere, and most editors, one hopes, can separate the wheat from the chaff. Maybe, if you jump to that rank, we can form a cabal--you, me, and Spiff, imposing our will with our well-known Dutch (Tamil)/Mancunian/freewheeling agenda. Wouldn't that be fun? Drmies (talk) 00:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
The curried bacon for curmudgeons cabal? I get blasted regularly, but so far only by those on the "wrong" side of consensus. This is a situation that is unlikely to last as there are some concert parties forming & my reputation as a ignorant racist spawn of the devil etc is growing. Some people do not accept that the nearest I have come to close involvement with Indians are (a) foodstuffs, (b) friends in the real world and (c) one of my dad's old motorbikes. What is interesting is that I am under pretty regular monitoring at the moment because of the forthcoming heart op ... and none of this cruft seems to be affecting my blood pressure. It must be all in the mind. Plus, of course, the light relief and rays of sanity, for which I thank you and others. One article at a time, you say. - Sitush (talk) 01:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi Drmies, Would you object to an email? .. Admittedly, it is regarding an on-wiki topic, but I feel it somewhat sensitive; and as such, I'd hate for a casual (talk page stalker) to interpret anything incorrectly. One other note too: Do you prefer the terms he/him or she/her? I've seen several threads that left me a bit unsure of that one. Of course you're completely free to tell me it's none of my business, as it doesn't relate to building an encyclopedia in any way shape or form. Cheers and best. — Ched :  ?  23:00, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Hi Ched, I do not object to email at all. And I am of the male persuasion, though not necessarily by choice. ;) Drmies (talk) 23:15, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 Done and sent.... — Ched :  ?  01:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Page protection[edit]

He user is deceased. Could we stop auto-notices landing on his talk? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:15, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Eh, I've dealt with this once, but not in any official capacity--I looked for the user/editor/bot that distributed the newsletter and left a message of the talk page. I don't think there's anything admin-wise involved here, if that's what you were asking. Sorry if I'm no help, Drmies (talk) 23:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I mean, I can protect it, sure, but if the page is left as a kind of memorial then it should be able to be edited, no? Drmies (talk) 23:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
No problem. I see you've got your hands full with many matters. I would be happy to keep and eye out and notify those who deliver notices. Let me look after it. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Very kind of you Anna, Thank you. — Ched :  ?  01:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, thanks. Ched--there really isn't much for an admin to do in this matter, is there? BTW, Anna, got your mail: sounds good. Drmies (talk) 01:20, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Probably should have mentioned before: The reason this post caught my eye was that I was very active in the WP:RIP area a couple years ago. We ended up getting some policy and guidelines criteria established. It wasn't that I knew or worked with Vaoverland specifically. (guess us (talk page stalker)'s can end up looking kinda creepy .. lol. — Ched :  ?  03:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
@Drmies. Not much really. IIRC we sometimes protect and hat the main user page. Sometimes a person will create a memorial page for people to sign too. Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Guidelines was set up a while back, after a long discussion here. That sort of led to Wikipedia talk:Deceased Wikipedians/verification. I remember that there was a huge outpouring of emotion when User:Jeffpw passed. Note, you don't want to read the talk page history without a box of kleenex. Anyway, that was what prompted me to try to do something in the RIP area. As well as some of my own health issues. Anyway, I'm very sorry to the friends and family of Vaoverland. From all I've read, he was a terrific person. I wish I would have known him. — Ched :  ?  03:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Cologne trials[edit]

Thanks. Some possible references , , --Soman (talk) 04:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Preliminary work on adding Cor Klaasen to Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Drmies, thanks for the welcome on my talk page! Your message was prompted by my addition of a link to a (currently non-existent page) on Cor Klaasen on the Rietveld_Academy page. You mentioned that I may have a conflict of interest in adding that link. I'm Cor Klaasen's son, currently working with other family members and a number of artists and curators to ensure that Cor's design legacy is better known outside the small world of graphic design in Ireland. To that end, we're staging exhibitions of his work and there's a book in the pipeline. This is not hagiography - the intention is that the evaluation of the quality and relevance of Cor's work is done by disinterested art historians and other commentators.

There is a small but growing body of commentary on Cor's work and legacy, see for example. Despite that, perhaps it's too early to consider including Cor Klaasen in Wikipedia?

Thanks for taking the time to have this conversation!

Best Regards, Benklaasen (talk) 20:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Hallo Ben, dank je voor je berichtje. (Your dad taught you Dutch, I hope!) Well, the case is this. General notability guidelines are here, WP:GNG. Your father was an artist, so another basic guideline for notability (by Wikipedia's standards, right) is here, WP:ARTIST. The problem is often how to establish (prove) that a person meets those guidelines, and such proof has to come from reliable sources (WP:RS). In Dutchland, that's not always so easy, since for all our talk of the information age there is relatively little online (Ireland is similar). This is not a reliable source since it's not independent. However, there are suggestions I found of notability. Evidence of that 2010 exhibition from a newspaper (always save your clippings) would surely help toward establishing notability. This would help also--do you have a copy? Stuff doesn't have to be online, of course. Given what I saw, he might squeak by, but it also depends (with your conflict of interest...) on how objectively an article is written. If I have a moment later I might make a start for you in a sandbox, so you can work on it until you go live.

    The other part of notability is that until a person is notable (that is, has an article which is OK) they can't really be added to another page, like for Rietveld. (You saw I cleaned that up some, and probably angered some people--my apologies). A google search in itself does not do that, an article does. So--go through the archives, pluck out the newspaper articles, look for reviews of books he did the cover for that address your father's work, and write it up in an objective, encyclopedic manner. I'm going to make a brief start right now while the kids are watching TV. Drmies (talk) 23:22, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Here it is: User:Benklaasen/Cor Klaasen. Let me know if I can help and when you think you're ready to move it to the main space. Groeten, Drmies (talk) 23:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Drmies, thanks very much for taking the time to reply and provide me with this excellent guidance. (I grew up speaking Dutch but was never formally educated in or through the language. I can comprehend spoken and written Dutch comfortably and can speak it to an elementary degree, but I'm wary of attempting written Dutch!)

I'll trawl the archives for information on Cor Klaasen; currently I have a couple of copies of microfilm of newspaper clippings concerning Klaasen's involvement in book design awards and design seminars. There's bound to be more information available in library archives - I'll contact the curator who found the articles I've linked to. I'm aware of at least two books which mention Cor Klaasen, if only anecdotally: "Oranje and Green" and a book on the advertising industry in Ireland which was published in the mid-1980s; a quick search on Google books turns up a variety of references to Cor's book design work. The book you mentioned is the catalogue to the 1994 exhibition of Cor's lino prints; I have copies of that book. Examples of his work are also held by a number of Irish museums and libraries - I'll find out the full list. The information is out there, it's just a question of collating it all and making a case for Cor's notability.

That list of notable alumni of the Gerrit Rieveld Academy needed cleaing up; I'm certainly not going to complain about you removing dead links! If nothing else, that edit allowed me to start a conversation with you on the correct approach to take on this topic, so I'm grateful for that. I'm keen to interact with Wikipedia in the appropriate manner.

Thanks for starting the page in my sandbox, you've given me a sensible framework to start working with. I'm sure I'll be back to quiz you some more and to ask you to review what I've written!

Hartelijke dank, Benklaasen (talk) 16:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I've just dug up the name of The Advertising Book: The History of Advertising in Ireland. Now to check if it contains anything relevant!

regards, Benklaasen (talk) 17:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your note. Let me know what happens and if I can help. Drmies (talk) 03:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Wayne Greenhaw[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Indeed they are! LadyofShalott-alt (talk) 04:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC) And you always find interesting things for me to work on that I wouldn't otherwise. LadyofShalott-alt (talk) 04:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Alt lady, should I find alt-things for you to work on? How about turning The Rev into a GA? Drmies (talk) 04:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Did I say always? Sorry, heavy metal drummers are not quite my thing, alt-me or otherwise. LadyofShalott-alt (talk) 04:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I got an inscribed copy of the new book by John A. Buehrens today. There may be articles about Universalists and Unitarians in my future. LadyofShalott-alt (talk) 04:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

An old joke from one of my old professors: how many Gods does a Unitarian believe in? One--at the most. Drmies (talk) 18:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah... that's about the size of it. :) LadyofShalott-alt (talk) 02:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Glas (book)[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Fuse lit, flameproof suit on[edit]

If I suddenly go offline then it may well be because of Talk:Madurai#Religious sensitivities. I feel that it is a valid point to make but the consequences of making it are a little troubling! Let's just hope that there are some sensible people around. - Sitush (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Earn your honorary status doc, and also be thankful that I wasn't around to oppose your RfA. Shame on you for sending Sitush my way when you should have resolved that minor problem concerning the (claimed) father of the point of intermixing of the three seas. BTW, at the rate at which he's going, we'll soon have an Englishman edge out the Dutchman for the honorary Tamil status. It reminds me of how easily Fort Geldria was ceded. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 13:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Aiai. What do we do? Spiff? Lady? MRG? Revdel all the way back to 2009? Drmies (talk) 18:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Hmm... I haven't looked in enough detail yet at the history, but it seems likely that would wipe out some legitimate edits as well. Is that the case, or has it just been so messed up that long that nothing between then and now is worth preserving? LadyofShalott-alt (talk) 03:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I haven't looked that closely at all the intermediate ones--but there was an implication that it goes back to 2002, I thought. Drmies (talk) 03:55, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't think revdel is needed here -- what of them is it eligible for? Minor copyvios that aren't RD1 eligible IMO. But there's the size issue though, which seems to be cropping up every so often that it needs a longer term solution through talk page and subsequent enforcement; likewise with a few other really minor issues which a few of our readers/writers seem to deeply care about, throwing verifiability to the winds. BTW Doc/Lady, unrelated as it may be, I've been inactive for a while and apparently BLPPROD has been further diluted, have we started allowing blogspot and facebook profiles as sufficient to pass BLPPROD purposes? -- Shmuel Breban is one where I BLPPRODded but apparently I was wrong, so I'd like to get reset on that criteria now. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 05:14, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't need revdel. I'm going through the entire thing, slowly, and picking up the vios. I can fix some with rephrases; the big stuff will be reverted. One problem, particularly common to articles on Indian subjects, is people placing trust in snippet views or even completely mis-stating a source. For this reason I may start asking for copies of cited stuff that I cannot see myself and possibly removing content if nothing is forthcoming. That is drastic and last resort, but will see what happens.
BTW, the vios cannot go back to 2002 because the article was not created until after then. The big copyvio I picked up was of a website that hosted the vio'd content at least as early as 2002 per the Wayback machine. Sorry for any confusion here. - Sitush (talk) 07:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. And in other good news, you're still around. ;) Drmies (talk) 04:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism report[edit]

If you look at the talk page for user at User talk: you'll note that the user was first warned about vandalism as far back in 2005 and has been warned again and again and again (in 2009, 2010, and 2011). The entire talk page is pretty much nothing but warning after warning. I don't if I'm supposed to respond on this issue on your talk page here, but I did want to explain that I was reporting the user based not only the most recent act of vandalism, but on the history as it appears on talk page. Was that inappropriate?Jpcohen (talk) 23:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  • Look at the top of the page--it's a shared IP. That means that some latitude should be given: it's not necessarily the same person all the time. And compared to some other IPs, it's really not a lot of warnings on that page, and while a final warning was given, that was a month ago and pretty much counts as stale. Besides, the IP has never been blocked before. I understand what you're saying, but that final warning guideline on the AIV page is there for a reason. If they continue, and collect enough warnings and a final warning within a reasonable amount of time--say, a couple of days, or a week--that's blockable. If they have a long history of warnings (serious ones, not incidental ones) and blocks, that's a different matter, but with a shared IP admins (like myself) aren't likely to block under the conditions as you have sketched them. Thanks for your note, and thanks for helping to keep the house clean, Drmies (talk) 23:46, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the explanation.Jpcohen (talk) 00:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandlism only accounts[edit]

Hi. You recently rejected a vandalism report I made on the grounds that the use hadn't been sufficiently warned. However, the account is evidently a vandalism-only account. I didn't think warnings were necessary for VO accounts. Could you clarify. I can't seem to find the guidlines on VO's. Chimpanzee+ Us | Ta | Co 03:27, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

  • In my opinion, you're not dealing with an account that makes such atrocious edits that I want to block them on sight. If it had been an IP, you wouldn't have had the option of clicking on "Vandalism only" and you wouldn't yet have gotten to level 4 given the relatively low seriousness of the edits. Perhaps other admins differ, but it's a matter of judgment. I gave them a final warning. If they do it again, that's it. Hope this helps, Drmies (talk) 03:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, that's great. Thanks for the reply. Chimpanzee+ Us | Ta | Co 16:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)