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This exists?[edit]

Historical medieval battles LadyofShalott 19:03, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Chess boxing? I'll have to look at that one. LadyofShalott 19:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

In other matters.... up your alley: Homilies d'Organyà? LadyofShalott 19:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

  • So.... no interest? or just lost in your very busy and very long talk page? LadyofShalott 16:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Hmm. That's all too silly. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of the Nations (Medieval Tournament). Those homilies, that's interesting subject matter. I know very little about Spanish medieval literature, though, but I'd like to see if we can beef that up a little. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
    • I do wish someone could talk Drmies into autoarchiving...again...--kelapstick(bainuu) 16:05, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
      • Really, any one of us could do it. He's probably just too proud to ask and too technically incompetent to do it himself. ;-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
      • Lady, I looked, and I'll look again--but some of us have jobs, you know. K-stick, no. Hey, I gave a lecture in a high school today, only my second time in a US high school. No third, second time in a public high school, and this one a magnet: this country is fucked up, the place where our city's brightest (and not the richest) kids go to public school is pretty much a dump. Ed, shut up, you whippersnapper. Drmies (talk) 18:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
      • Happy now, K? Ed, I always copy some barnstars and the DYK templates to sub pages; auto-archiving would actually force me to do more work on a regular basis, of which I seem incapable. I'm wondering what the carbon-dioxide footprint of my various subpages is: I just copied 273,000 bytes, and it's number 40. Drmies (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
        • Oh, you're fine, I just couldn't resist an opportunity to point out your advanced years. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
          • How old are you, Ed? Others appear to know or assume, but I don't know and generally don't assume. Also, these repeated accusations that Drmies is old are a bit silly (I know it's all in good fun, but ...). I know it depends on perspective, but mid-40's is not objectively old. At "worst", it's middle-aged.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I hear worse from my doctor, Bbb, but thanks for coming to my defense. Once arthritis hits them they'll remember how unkind they were. Ed's age is difficult to determine; I'd say somewhere between fourteen and twenty-eight. Drmies (talk) 22:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Meet that in the middle, dear Drmies. Bbb, it's just in good fun; I'm pretty sure my parents are older than Drmies. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Drmies, it's your own fault for going to your doctor, or at least listening to them. We've now established that Ed is 21, clearly old enough to be an admin on Wikipedia (apparently at about 18), where the minimum admin age is 1 day old (isn't that when we made your latest an admin, Drmies?), and clearly old enough to have more respect for his elders. (If you can have fun with Drmies, I can have fun with you. :-) ).--Bbb23 (talk) 02:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Little Liam (actually he goes by Mr. Liam) isn't really admin material yet. While he appears random in his movements, he exhibits no randomness in his judgment, and he has yet to lash out in anger at someone. Moreover, he doesn't care about commas, the Balkan, and the Israel-Palestine conflict. OK, in all honesty, he can't write yet, I am ashamed to say. He does have a lovely smile though. Anytime you're passing through Alabama, stop by. Bbb, I needed to see a doctor--three months ago. By the time I got around to it the pain (shoulder--rotator cuff, arthritis, etc) had mostly gone away. I got three more doctors I need to visit, one of which on a matter one could bring up in polite conversation. Just you wait, Ed17. Drmies (talk) 02:48, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Imagine a Wikipedia, where no-one can write. Imagine all the people, living for the dramahz. Can you? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


Thanks Drmies,

I really appreciate the barnstar. "Making us all look good" is an excellent bonus to making a better article!

Pleased to have been of service to the project and the people in it as well. (talk) 21:39, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

  • To all the talk page stalkers: please have a look at Entertainment, where got cooking in early October. Drmies (talk) 22:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Saw that. Awesome work, as I said on the talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:38, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


AndresHerutHJaim is a bit more dedicated than to be deterred by a 31 hour block. You mind semi-protecting the recent articles? (talk) is already being used. nableezy - 23:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

  • It's already done by other admins. Thanks for the note. Drop me a line when you need to--I am not on 24/7, but I'll do my best to lessen the disruption. Someone probably needs a girlfriend, I reckon. Did you ever listen to Ramallah Underground? Drmies (talk) 02:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, will do. As far as Ramallah Underground, never heard of them. Im mostly an old school music fan though, Abdel Halim Hafez, Umm Kulthum and Fairuz more my style. That and Wu-Tang, of course. nableezy - 16:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Wu-Tang Clan ain't nuttin' to fuck with! Drmies (talk) 17:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Your comment on my talk page[edit]

Thank you for reading my e-mail, and thank you for comment. I do have a problem with the activities of one of the COI users, though, even if the article is being watched. Tristan noir has followed me to several other articles, and in one particular deletion debate he wound up shouting so loud that he basically de-railed the debate and caused a "redirect/merge" result even though consensus was leaning toward deletion. (Three users cast "votes" in favour of keeping/merging, without any agreement where/why, while myself and four other users gave extensive reasons for deletion.) I have brought TN to WP:ANI after a LONG dispute with him spanning 7-8 articles. (The number is a bit vague, since he has a habit of using the talk page of one article as a forum to attack my edits on other articles.) I still really don't know what to do, though, since his "response" to my WP:ANI posting was so long and forced me to post a rebuttal to some of his more ridiculous claims, that I worry the dispute will (again) scare off even admins from getting involved. elvenscout742 (talk) 02:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Ways to improve Nederlands Letterenfonds[edit]

Hi, I'm Jesus Presley. Drmies, thanks for creating Nederlands Letterenfonds!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Please expand.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. —Preceding undated comment added 03:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

The Teahouse? You do realize that Drmies is an admin with many tens of thousands of edits to his credit? Might I point you to WP:DTTR? LadyofShalott 03:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't think the Page Curation tool gives an option for suppressing the templated author notice. It's...still kinda rough. Writ Keeper 03:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
That's much less than ideal. For Drmies to get a message like the one above is ridiculous... and can you imagine how many of these could appear on, say Dr Blofeld's talk page if someone were tagging his stubs? Oh dear... LadyofShalott 03:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Aye, sorry, wasn't aware of this. Will use the Page Curation tool more carefully. Jesus Presley (talk) 03:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Haha, compared to the real doctor of evil I got nothing. Now, I tried to read that Page Curation page and I probably don't get it (which is why I have Writ Keeper on payroll). I assume that I get templated the moment the tool is used to tag the page as a stub, fine. But why did this article show up in some queue at all? It was created a month ago. It wasn't uncategorized--Mandarax literally spend real time finding a category. Something else: Jesus, your message (OK--I've never uttered that phrase before, and it's even funnier since I just watched The Life of Brian. "Jesus, your message from the Mount was impressive, but it's OR!") here said "please expand"--sure, it can do with some. Why not tag the article as such? Not that I mind that the article isn't tagged (tags are ugly), but for new editors it would probably be helpful to see one of those tags, with instructions. Thanks Jesus, and stalkers, Drmies (talk) 05:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
OK, the line at the bottom has a link, but it's hardly noticeable. PS, Lady, your man Gingrich is on Leno--sometimes he makes a lot of sense, like when he's not running for president. Drmies (talk) 05:12, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
First, it's good to know that you're apparently a Monty Python fan, so maybe my references to "Throatwobbler Mangrove" will be understood.

But more importantly, I see above yet another point against the latest generation of touchy-feely user messages – they include links to the sender's user and/or talk page in the message body, so when they're unsigned, SineBot gets fooled into thinking that they are already signed, and only dates them without signing them. Note – I've stuck to my boycott; in the four months since the new level one warnings appeared, I have not issued a single one. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 11:53, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, the problem here isn't that the template confuses SineBot. The problem is that Page Curation isn't signing the notifications. Another thing to chuck onto Ironholds's desk, I suppose. Writ Keeper 18:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I had assumed that the user had added it manually because I'd checked the edit summary and there was no indication that it had been done by a tool. All of the tools I can think of do leave an edit summary notation, so maybe that's something else to put on that desk. I don't know what template was used (there should be a comment in it specifying that – another thing to pile on the desk), but if that's the default wording rather than user-specified input, it needs a lot of work. I think it's very bad form to tell users – and this is apparently targeted at newbies – that "Please expand" is an "issue" that they need to "fix". Ni! MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I was looking at it, and you might be quite right, Mandarax. I assumed that it was a template because I know the tool uses templated replies for things like CSD (which aren't explicitly marked a such: example). But not I'm not sure. I'll try to see if I can catch Ironholds on IRC and ask him about it. There is a field to leave typed comments, but I thought it used a default template if no custom comments are entered. I just thought it was so goofy for someone to type out that whole message without knowing who they're talking to...) Writ Keeper 22:41, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Mandarax, I love Monty Python. Writ Keeper, I suppose this could be a useful project and I applaud editors like Ironholds and Dennis for their efforts; I wish I had it in me. Not to mention that, as Ed rightly pointed out elsewhere, I don't have the technical capability. Jesus didn't come back (see how funny that user name is? But he did! He appeared to Mary Magdalene!) to this conversation, but if he does, I don't mind being templated and took no offense. Drmies (talk) 18:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
FYI... You have to manually add a message using Page Curation. When I've added a message, I've always added 4 tildes to sign. I'm not sure if it is set up to automatically sign or not.
Of more concern, Drmies is an admin, therefore automatically has autopatrolled status. Unless Jesus Presley found the article manually, Nederlands Letterenfonds should never had shown up in New Pages Feed to begin with. I know there was a bug with this while Page Curation was being developed (I reported the bug) and it was fixed. Hmmm, looks like Oliver needs to stop doing headdesks. Ble ydych chi Oliver? Amser i ddeffro i fyny. Bgwhite (talk) 22:40, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, like I said above, you're probably right. I know that both patrolled and unpatrolled show up in the queue; I don't know if the "next page" button include patrolled pages, because I never use that. As far as autosigning, I know we do that with the Teahouse question gadget, which detects whether people have signed and doesn't let them post until they have; something similar here would probably be a good idea. Writ Keeper 23:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Autosigning is on our to-do list :). On the message issue - if you don't fill one in, it's normally (to my knowledge) suppressed. As a matter of fact, I don't personally see any problem with sending this kind of message to long-term editors iff they're needed. "your article doesn't have enough citations" or whatever is something all Wikipedians should care about. I can't see any reason why this article should be in page curation unless it was marked as reviewed, though :/. The default view does include reviewed articles, which could be responsible for the confusion. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Accusations of POV-pushing and racism at Tipperary Hill[edit]

G'day mate, thank you for your input on the administrators notice board regarding User:TheOldJacobite's claims. Your input was:

The issue is resolved. The tag is removed. Someone please look this over and close it. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
That article needs help from someone with some pruning shears. Drmies (talk) 02:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


The problem is still unresolved, as the NPOV tag just keeps getting removed by the user in question. His initial reaction to my pointing out the article was quite racist was to try and censor me by deleting any comment I made, after that he proceeded to just proceeded to report me to the administrators (I don't think he quite understands the procedure of dealing with disagreements, and has a dog in the race++!)

Thus I am quite unsure how to proceed with this matter as I haven't quite encountered someone so impervious to Wikipedia policy. A brief examination of his history shows he has a very vested interest in Irish / IRA related materials, and a track record of misconduct reports and woefully aggressive behaviour to other Wikipedians.

Given simply pointing out an NPOV issue on the article led to an entire bout of crazy from him I am actually quite reluctant to try and engage him further, or reinstate the NPOV tag (the issue is still unresolved, however, he just keeps deleting it contrary to even the tag itself), but editors behaving like that is one of the main grievances most people have with Wikipedia as a resource and I would definitely like to see some form of discipline and policy enforcement take place to 1. rehabilitate and educate the user in question, 2. resolve the dreadfully POV slanted article in question Tipperary Hill removing all elements of POV slant as well as racism.

I initially approached fixing the article in the manner I always do, having contributed much of my time on the project with the 3rd opinion and dispute resolution groups (I only do so on articles I have no vested interest in generally too!) but I really don't know how to proceed.

Any and all advice you could offer on this issue would be greatly appreciated!

BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 05:44, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Hello Bash Prompt--thanks for your message, but I'm not sure I see the problem: the article hasn't been edited since a major cleanup operation two weeks ago, and I don't see anything on the talk page. Besides, I don't see the racism there, sorry. Maybe one of the more objective watchers of this page care to have a look? Drmies (talk) 05:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I presume you mean nationalism? British and Irish are not races. In any case, I don't see racism or nationalism in the article. It describes a nationalistic actions, but that does not make the article nationalistic. LadyofShalott 07:22, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: "tanka [are] often ... mistaken for haiku"[edit]

I noticed this in your rewrite of the Tanka in English article. Can I get clarification on whether it comes from Goldstein? You cited him at the end of the sentence, but it is unclear whether the information at the start of the sentence comes from him or someone else. Cheers! elvenscout742 (talk) 08:16, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

  • The whole sentence comes from Goldstein, which is why the note is at the end of it. Drmies (talk) 14:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Something else: the dates for Teika are, or at least were, far from irrelevant, since neither his article nor the article for Hyakunin Isshu gave a date for the collection. So unless "thirteenth century" is verified in the source you cite, they should be put back. The first version of the article contained way too little chronological explanation for the average reader. Drmies (talk) 14:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
  • OK, it can be reasonably assumed that it's thirteenth-century, according to page xiv. I noticed you said something about citations: I did all the journal citations with our standard templates, the cleanest way of doing it, and I found Keene on Google Books and adapted the citation accordingly. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, by "irrelevant", I meant Teika's biographical dates. I have no earthly idea why the date for HNIS doesn't appear in either of those articles, but it might because it went through two editions, and so giving "thirteenth century" seemed expedient, especially in the "tanka in English" article which is only loosely related to it anyway. elvenscout742 (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

237,322 bytes later...[edit]

Don't you feel a bit lighter now? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:09, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I celebrate myself...[edit]

...and therefore I am eating leftover calzone and Frito pie for lunch. I propose that all Wikipedia vandals, editors, and administrators take a nap today, starting in about 20 minutes. Drmies (talk) 18:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

  • I must have missed this memo. I was making bedfellows with Lacan and Ahmad Tohari. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
But Frito pie sounds good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

November 2012[edit]

Hi, I'm Drmies. While we appreciate that you enjoy using Wikipedia, please note that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a social network. Wikipedia is not a place to socialize or do things that are not directly related to improving the encyclopedia. Off-topic material may be deleted at any time. We're sorry if this message has discouraged you from editing this website, but the ultimate goal of this website is to build an encyclopedia (please see WP:NOT for further details). Thank you. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM (talk) 18:38, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Fyi Drmies, WP:DTTR. This is verging on disruptive now. Yazan (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry. I'll stop. BTW, all you talk page stalkers, note that Writ Keeper is again "testing" something in one of his sandboxes. Make a back-up copy of the front page and turn off your modem. Drmies (talk) 18:43, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
hmph. Clearly you know more about technology than you're admitting. Writ Keeper 19:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, I was horrified to see this! I was using a mobile device earlier, but I still couldn't figure out how I'd accidentally left this warning. I was so confused that I didn't notice the clues that it wasn't really from me. Good April Fools' joke, Doc! I never expected it in November, but then I never expected the Spanish Inquisition either.... Drmies MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:06, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Haha, nobody does! So you have a mobile device as well. Slowly your secrets are revealed, Mandarax. I was looking at someone's talk page the other day on my iPhone. Maybe it was My76Strat's. Anyway, it had a box around it, and because of that, I think, I couldn't see shit on my screen. It's like the wiki app for iPhone (do y'all use that?), where after a couple of indents in a conversation you get a row of single letters on the right-hand side of the screen.

Which reminds me: if anyone has any suggestions for which iPhone app to use for Wikipedia...I think I have some official one? I don't think it allows me to edit. Drmies (talk) 23:53, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, a savvy investigator could've surmised that a while ago, when I added a script to require confirmation of rollback while using mobile devices. I wouldn't have been too shocked if I had accidentally left the warning; once I fell asleep with it, and woke up to discover that somehow I had a new Facebook friend in Indonesia! (Either she and her friends are the worst spellers in Indonesia, or Google Translate does the worst job of translating Indonesian that I've ever seen for any language.)

I wasn't aware of a general Wiki app, but I do have two, count 'em two, game apps in which you start at a Wikipedia page and have to navigate using Wikilinks to arrive at a different target page. This is the real reason orphans are so bad! I've only played 'em a few times. But to stay more on topic – the topic being talking about non-Wikipedia stuff – there's a wacky game app called inReverse that I occasionally play. One player goes off and sings a portion of any song they choose. The recording is then played backwards for the other player, who then carefully listens to the backwards version, cut up into snippets, and sings each snippet, trying to mimic the backwards singing as closely as possible. Finally, the second player's backwards song is pieced back together and played backwards, and they have to guess what the mangledly now-forwards song is. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 01:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  • She would have likely been using bahasa gaul, a local language, and/or text message abbreviations. Google translate doesn't handle vernacular or non-Indonesian languages that well. Aku ora ngerti... Gw ga tau... neither of those, meaning I don't know, will be translated by Google. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • So the Mandarax is admitting to being on Facebook.... LadyofShalott 04:01, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the info, Crisco. (I suspected you might respond.)

    Lady, I've previously confessed to having a Facebook account, but I almost never go there, except, apparently, when I'm asleep. I still find it just a bit mystifying how it happened. A lot of the workings of these things are mysterious; no matter what Voice control (not Siri) command, it's interpreted as "dial a random number from my contacts, with preference given to the person I least want to talk to". MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 08:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  • I've found myself visiting Drmies talk page around 3x a day just to avoid working on my homework. Procrastination needs reasons, you know. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Your dissertation director called me the other day, Crisco, and threatened to shut me down. So get to work. Mandarax, it will be a fine day when I receive an email with your Facebook information; I'm incognito of course. If you had friended me you would have seen a photo of me and my buddy jumping in the pool this morning. It was very, very cold! Drmies (talk) 23:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't know how well he speaks English ;-)... let alone Dutch. Mind you, he did his doctoral thesis partly on literature in the Dutch East Indies (a post-colonial outlook). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
When I'm on my phone, I just scroll to bottom of the page, expand the bottom most bar (just says Wikipedia), click "Desktop" and edit as though at my computer. It's a bit cumbersome and involves a lot of switching the orientation of the phone, but I prefer it to any of the apps I've tried.  davidiad.:τ 00:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I do. Not the best, but it works well enough. Writ Keeper 00:55, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I see now--thanks! I'm going to need magnifying glasses though. Drmies (talk) 01:00, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


Dear Drmies,

I have given, for you, a few sketchy insights into my recent absence on my talk page. You have motivated me. I am preparing to return, which will, I am sure, impress very few people. But this isn't a popularity game, is it? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

You asked about your day, here it is again is br'erly thanksgiving design:

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reviewing eyes
Thank you for reviewing in the Contributor copyright investigations/PumpkinSky, you did a lot to clarify! Paraphrasing (I hope not too closely): If everybody who read this looked at one more article it could be over today, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Ah thanks! That's real nice Gerda. Drmies (talk) 22:49, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

December 2012[edit]

In order to continue providing the aforementioned support to your attempts to gain youth credibility, I have to prefix this with the qualification that I know that languages aren't your thing, and that you only know about MyFace, YouTwit, and J-Pop. But you might nonetheless enjoy a trip over to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Language#Language. Did you know that for seven years Wikipedia was telling the world that Gyles Brandreth invented the idea of pseudo-minimal pairs that differed in juncture phonemes? The person who managed to get "an ice cream spoon"/"a nice cream spoon" into a 1909 patent application might have taken issue with that. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 21:03, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


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Hello, Drmies. You have new messages at Talk:Michael Kelly (editor).
Message added 00:50, 3 December 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Strange edits[edit]

Hi Drmies! I saw that you blocked a couple of days ago. Not surprising, since I myself have reverted him/her a few times for playing the game of entering fantasy population numbers to different articles. There is, however, something strange about the edits from December 1 (and also one on November 29). Instead of the usual wild number edits, all but one (Vojvodina) of these numbers were correct! Since there was no source given and no edit summary, the edits were rightly reverted by you. Why suddenly should enter correct numbers, is a mystery. Maybe s/he was trying a double bluff to make other editors (in this case you) revert correct numbers? Anyway, we want the correct numbers in Wikipedia. Since the three articles Bulgarians, Croats ans Slovaks now are semi-protected, I cannot put them in myself, but hope you will help. The source is, and the numbers are: Bulgarians in Serbia 18,543, Croats in Serbia 57,900, Slovaks in Serbia 52,750. Regards! -- (talk) 08:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


I'm someone relatively new to this site. I must say my first impression is one of contradiction and irony. It is not something I really care to spend much time with in its current state.

I was under the impression that this site was left open so it could be perfected by everyone in a collaborative editorial effort. Not a process of having one person perfect articles, at the opinion and nit-picking of random others.

Would it not make more sense if one person could fix the factual content, another might pick a missed grammatical error. It would be much more effective to fix grammatical errors and actually help each other edit, not revert revert and undo progress. The Echosonic article is poorly written if you ask me. Yet it was accepted. It was written has a hybrid about the inventor of the Echosonic, Ray Butts, and the invention itself, originally titled "Ray Butt's Echosonic". The History Section goes into other inventions of Butt, happening after the echosonic, that were only loosely connected. That is certainly not the history of the Echosonic. I know it was done in the best interest, might actually know the person that wrote it, but it is messy and confusing in my opinion. Opinions seem to rule site at my first observance. The goal is not to remove, but to move the biographical information to better inventor biographical page, leaving that article based solely no the Echosonic.

As far as the new article on Ray Butts. The article submitted (the "way" it is written) is a writing style mimicked from the pages of about inventors, from here on wikipedia. So there are other articles written like that on this website. The sources are published magazines interview the very man, or those worked with. There are articles already published that have vague references, no inline citation. Yet they are published (just a disclaimer attached). This is where my impression of the lack of uniformity comes from. It is sloppy and difficult. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cruzado (talkcontribs) 09:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Don't take other bad articles as your goal to aim for. Look at Wikipedia:Featured articles for what we aim every article to be. The maintenance tags aren't disclaimers. They are markers that collect together articles that are in need of cleanup and article development. As for calling complete strangers "snobby", "unprofessional", and "English majors" at User talk:Sionk#Article Rejection: Why not give some real reasons, not opinion., it is your own behaviour in public to someone that you've never met that is derogatory, not Sionk's, who in fact wrote nothing about you at all. Be aware that such insults and confrontation will just get you, and your desires, ignored by the community of volunteers that work here, just as it would in any other volunteer-run organization. Uncle G (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Cruzado, thank you for your response. I am not averse to helping you improve the draft and moving it to article space, and while I take issue with a lot of your statements I don't think that a rebuttal would be helpful. I do want to counter one point though: you claim that the EchoSonic article was confusing and you talked about loosely connected statements. While it is true that some of the content focuses not just on the amp, and while it is true (though you may not realize this) that I included some of that information to help establish that Ray Butts was notable, not just that one product, the information you removed in this edit does connect to the main topic since it discusses Atkins and Butts and the FilterTron in relation to the EchoSonic: the source, and thus our text, suggests that the hum caused by the single-coils plugged into the EchoSonic were an impetus to Butts's creation of the humbucker. That strikes me as important enough. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
    • Uncle, I got a question for you. The EchoSonic is notable, as are the FilterTron pickups (just needs to be written up). I guess that makes Ray Butts notable--though I have not yet found references discussing him personally, let alone without those inventions. Any suggestions? I've been cleaning it up some, but most of the article is a summary of the inventions, and the rest is poorly verified. Drmies (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
      • I actually had a quick look for biographical sources at the time, but didn't turn up much that was directly biographical. Uncle G (talk) 10:13, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Latest edit on Dale Bozzio page[edit]

Drmies, The case was just added (15:05 3 December) through an IP address again. Could you consider deleting? I do not think it appropriate for the addition of the information while its suitability for use in Wikipedia is currently being challenged and under discussion. The Phoenix is being used as a reference. Thank you for whichever tack you take on this. Doc2234 (talk) 16:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Deleting the "TechnoBuffalo Page"[edit]

Drmies, I was looking at creating a Wikipedia for a tech/blogging company. The company is called TechnoBuffalo. I figured that since many companies like them should have a page, however since you deleted a page called that I just wanted to make sure that you did not have a reason for deleting that page or if you deleted it for something else. Thank you

Sparty1212 (talk) 16:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Hello Sparty--sorry, but I did not delete TechnoBuffalo. I looked at its previous versions and it was deleted a couple of times, most recently under criterion Wikipedia:CSD#A7, which means that it did not make a believable claim of importance, and Wikipedia:CSD#G11, which indicates that it looks like a promotional article. There was mention of "featured on several other tech sites", but "featured" is a cliche and there were no sources provided. If I were you, I'd go through Articles for Creation, at WP:AFC. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 18:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

ARS ANI[edit]

FYI, the diff you used is one of Callaway's, not mine pbp 20:44, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 20:48, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Another similar might want to re-read your last comment on Spoildead's talk page. I think you left out a word "not", or an "unless", or said "delete" when you meant "keep" pbp 00:14, 6 December 2012 (UTC)Doesn't matter if you got it right or wrong, Spoildead has been sock-blocked pbp 18:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

  • I don't see it: he was badgering the "delete" voters, which is what I commented on. Okip again, huh--well, that's just great. Drmies (talk) 18:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


I noticed you are online and wanted to ask a favor. Please do a final copy-edit for errors or improvements and then full protect User:Franamax/Honour. It will be transcludable and needn't be vandalized. Thanks, My76Strat (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Strat, I suppose you caught me on my way out a couple of hours ago. I will be glad to protect it, but I don't know about copy editing--it's not an encyclopedic thing and I wouldn't write it this way: it's too personal. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 23:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
    Thank you. I suppose in asking for a copy-edit, it was my hope to have a critique. If it does come across wrong, as I think you were implying, it is that presentation that I was wanting to correct, or soften, or whatever would be best. I thank you again. My76Strat (talk) 23:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Sorry Strat--this is where copy-editing and content-editing are awfully close, and I'm not about to critique something that personal. Thanks, BTW: I didn't know about Franamax. We go back, incidentally, a year or two and he will be missed. Drmies (talk) 02:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

Man, I enjoy a joke as much as the next guy, but some people actually took you seriously. Super classy. :/ Writ Keeper 21:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Really? I'll never forgive you for what you did to me that time. I mean, I still don't know what you did! It made me completely suspicious of everything electronic--I had a faith in the world and you shook it, so you had it coming, pal. And there may be more. Drmies (talk) 23:05, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • You know, you brought that on yourself. I told you not to actually go on that page. But noooooo, you wouldn't listen... Writ Keeper 23:08, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I had mentioned Writ's "crime" on IRC, and he walked into a lynching mob there today. By that time, I had already figured he was innocent, but it was fun watching them drag an innocent man through the street behind that horse. I guess that portion was my fault, for believing Drmies. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 01:35, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Writ Keeper, I suppose I am sorry! But you know you're a big fat liar: you did tell me to go there. Now, I don't really know what IRC is--pity I missed it. Dennis, don't you know better than to believe me when it comes to technical matters? Fo shizzle! Drmies (talk) 01:47, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Don't any of you consider leaving links so latecomers can figure out what the heck you're talking about? LadyofShalott 02:01, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
[1] also at VPT. — Ched :  ?  02:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Ched. Sounds like fun was had by all today. LadyofShalott 02:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Drmies, you are technologically impaired. I'm older than you. While you wasted your time getting a PhD, I was nerding it up on the early IRC equivalent on BBSes. Think of it as AOL Messenger or Yahoo Messenger, but for nerds. Text chat in real time, in a group. We use it for cabal meetings and the like. Ask Bbb23 to show you how..... Dennis Brown - © Join WER 02:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • What's AOL Messenger? (OK, I'm old enough to know what AOL is, haha.) ;) Drmies (talk) 02:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • @Drmies: no, what I told you to do was to delete the page without actually visiting it. If you don't know how to construct the POST request in JQuery necessary to do that...well, how is that my fault? I mean, jeez, that's like COMP435, real beginner stuff. Writ Keeper 16:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • ¿ Writ, you're a keeper. I told Mrs. Drmies about all this yesterday and showed her the trouts, and she thought it was pretty funny too. Now pretend to write content and clean up Taro ball, will you? Drmies (talk) 16:35, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
This is great. Drmies, you deserve several trouts. I'm just sad that the lynching was off-wiki, because I would have loved to add Drmies to the village stocks. Maybe we should anyway. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I also mentioned to her that if I ran for admin again I'd never get the mop. Drmies (talk) 16:48, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Real Administrators don't use JQuery any more than they use Perl. Just use this wikitext:

{{plainlink|{{fullurl:User:Drmies|action=delete}}|you won't see Writ Keeper's page by following this hyperlink}}

To bolster your youth credibility yet further, I add this: Dennis Brown, by the way, is referring to an invention where BBS users discovered that if they use their modems to dial other people's computers, through special software they could actually use their telephones to talk to people in real time. This was, as you can imagine, considered a wondrous invention back then. Up until that time, communication had been subject to delays, as one had to wait until 03:00 every day when the modem would wake up the entire house getting the next sentence in the other side of the conversation. Of course, the world has progressed since Dennis Brown's heyday. Thanks to VoIP, it is nowadays possible for modems and telephones to even carry speech, rather than just ASCII Art. There's even talk of iPhones that can make telephone calls directly, although that is as yet still only an Apple R&D project.

Uncle G (talk) 18:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

  • I have an iPhone, which makes me a Real Administrator. (FWIW, I did read that backward text a few days ago, without technological intervention). This iPhone is a curious thing: it gives me maps and social interactions mediated by a government agency called Facebook, and at random times it rings and a computer, who sounds remarkably like my wife, tells me things I should do. I usually do them, just in case it's a real government agency that makes those calls. Drmies (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
    • I guess your wife is secretly a government robot. Writ Keeper 19:49, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
      • You keep that razor to yourself, sir--I have no use for your "logic". Drmies (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
        • Speaking of iPhones, mine should get to my house before I do. It's in Louisville right now. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

False alarm / Shock[edit]

1 - hi there mate. False alarm STRIKE TWO! I know now in my heart i will never leave WP unless my life takes a 180º turn, simple as that, too apathetic to try anything new at this point. So, i should just shut the hell up and keep editing :)

2 - Please read this (here I am not going to say "Animals!" because i do not want to insult a God's gift as beautiful as those who crawl among us but see much much higher than we will ever do. Ah, and no nationality attack intended my dear friend, Portuguese approach to football is as idiotic as it gets too: Cristiano Ronaldo says "I'm good looking, rich and a terrific player that's why people must envy me", and José Mourinho pokes a rival coach in the eye (from the back!) then completes his antics in the press conference with "Pito Vilanova? I don't know who that is" (PITO is slang for penis in Spanish!), i repeat they say that and continued to be revered in my country, both having honours of TV news opener more often than not.

Cheers and keep it up. --AL (talk) 22:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Welcome back VASCO. Always good to see you. Yes, I read that story today (I read Trouw on my iPhone)--pretty gruesome. You know, there's dumb-ass seventeen-year olds everywhere, of course, but there's no excuse for this. Very sad. Drmies (talk) 02:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


Can you translate this article: Ceism to Nederlands please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmadce (talkcontribs) 16:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Note: User has been running around spamming the same message and asking for translation to different languages. I speedied the article. Yazan (talk) 16:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Weeeell, you templated it, I speedily deleted it ("A7, G11, G12. Source URL: article completely copied from website/"movement" is not at all notable/creator seems to be involved in the movement if not its founder"--well done). Yes, I saw a note on a Czech user's page, I'm on it. Drmies (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Are we in a pedantic mood today? Fineee, I templated, you, the mighty admin, deleted. :) I feel for the guy though, he asks me for Arabic trans. I template it; he comes here for dutch, you delete it... ;) Cheers. Yazan (talk) 16:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
@Drmies, fine with me. The version I deleted hadn't got far enough to be obvious spam/copyright Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes, of all the Dutch users he had to pick me. I don't really feel for him and I've blocked his account. There seems to be a problem with the toolserver so I can't check for cross-wiki contamination. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Assuming Toolserver is working properly, how does one do that? LadyofShalott 18:18, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, you can easily see if they left messages/articles on other wikis, and then I usually deal with that by asking some smart person... I'd have to dig through my talk page archives--I think Jasper Deng "does" cross-wiki stuff. Drmies (talk) 18:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that "go fuck yourself" and all of the rest violate laws 11, 12, 14, 15, and 22. Uncle G (talk) 17:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Channeling Clint Eastwood, maybe? Drmies (talk) 18:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
    • Looks to me like he was trying to file an unblock request, seeing as he put his little rant in the "reason=Your reason here" section of the template. Pasted the text into a new request template, though he didn't give any reason to be unblocked, and probably should lose talk page access for blatant personal attacks. Glad to help out the cabal, Drmies, seeing as "wikipedia is a place where you are in it and you are a stupid voyeur who interferes to others work." — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 19:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
      • Tout ca change... Drmies (talk) 19:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
      • Don't get overexcited about revoking talk page access. It happens a lot of the time that people get abusive on their own talk pages, and revoking talk page access can make things worse. If left alone, such people generally run out of steam. The sad thing here is that the account clearly is the founder of this supposed new religion, as the account name matches the name given in the article. If the religion's founder xyrself breaks five of the religion's 22 laws within a matter of hours, it doesn't really bode well for its success. Promoting newly invented religions is not what Wikipedia is for, of course.

        Now if this were User talk:Aymatth2 or my user talk page, at this point I'd say:

        Did you know … that Jacques-Yves Cousteau was general secretary of the Commission internationale pour l'exploration scientifique de la Mer Méditerranée (CIESM) and Prince Ranier III the president?

        But they don't do that around here. It's all timelords, J-Pop, and watching sport on TV. Uncle G (talk) 21:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

        • I agree. I think Anthony took the appropriate middle route. And I was wondering what that earlier reference to "laws" was... here's hoping he socks and re-creates it, so I can see what sounds like a rather amusing read. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 21:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
          • Francophonie, I'll let this slide given your youth and your francophilia, but synesthesia is not allowed on my talk page. The occasional ekphrasis isn't really frowned upon, but, unless your real name is John Keats, I prefer that we keep clean senses in this joint. In fact, I'll try and make an edit notice, a rather technical affair which will allow Writ Keeper, Mandarax, Dennis Brown, and others to make fun of me (we aim to please). Thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
      • I don't suppose you would be interested in translating CIESM to Nederlands? Aymatth2 (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
        • What's the pay? Drmies (talk) 16:16, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
          • I was going to offer megabucks, but since you have already translated it, your negotiating position has weakened significantly.
            How about a smile? Emblem-BadTooth.svg Aymatth2 (talk) 18:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
        • Good one!

          Murariu 2009 and Pickering 2012 for Cousteau's 1966 general secretaryship, by the way.

        • By the way, there are various sources in Spanish (talking of the "Comisión Internacional para la Exploración Científica del Mediterráneo") here and there that you might be able to use. Uncle G (talk) 16:56, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
          • That was not exciting. I'm sure I have totally forgotten how to write in Dutch, and I caught myself adding a nugget of new content in English. No doubt the Dutchies over there are laughing at my stilted, anglicized prose. Uncle, it's all yours now, in Dutch, French, and English. Drmies (talk) 18:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for Intervention[edit]

Thank you for the intervention. I personally had no problem in helping someone with translation to Bengali, but I was a little confused about that particular approach. I could not connect it with anything that might serve a purpose of Wikipedia. --M. Tawsif Salam 19:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can ask another question on your talk page, contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse.

Can someone figure out what the appropriate template is to paste a "not to be confused with the hipster/admin SpacemanSpiff (talk · contribs)" note on the talk and user page of Spacemann Spiff (talk · contribs)? Or can you make the double-nning Spiff change their name? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

{{Distinguish|User:SpacemanSpiff}}? It looks like: Writ Keeper 23:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Or {{Distinguish2|the hipster/admin [[User:SpacemanSpiff|]]}}  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
That does the job, but I'd think, if the user declines a request to change username, they should be blocked for impersonation, like User:Lionsystemss at WP:ANI#Bad username this morning. JohnCD (talk) 23:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, is it an impersonation though? Instead, I'd assume both users are referencing Spaceman Spiff. Unless they are both impersonating a cartoon character, I don't really think it fair to block either in this situation. LadyofShalott 23:42, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the ec — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, Lady, good point: impersonation implies intent. You all pick a nice notice for the top of the page--I can't because I'm involved. Drmies (talk) 23:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, this is one of those rare times when I disagree with the Lady (and, I suppose, your agreement with that with which I disagree). I think that JohnCD is absolutely right. Such usernames are commonly blocked, especially when the original user is an admin. The system normally attempts to prevent anyone from registering a username which is too similar to an existing one; the software may not be confused by this one, but I think humans certainly could be. The user's intentions are only relevant in that they should be given another opportunity to change their name before being blocked, whereas someone with a clear intent to impersonate should be blocked without notice. The policy is at WP:IMPERSONATOR. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 00:53, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh I have definitely blocked obvious impersonations. I just felt that the popular character's name merited more leeway in this case - but I can see how someone would disagree. <shrug> LadyofShalott 01:58, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
  • OK, that's three badass admins: thanks for your help. I'll leave it to one of you to take the appropriate action--after all, I'm just a little bird and I edit completely on instinct. Drmies (talk) 23:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Tell you why I went looking for Spiffy: he has this note that pops up when you edit his talk page. He used to have nekkid women on there, but when he was running for admin I suggested he change to something less well-you-know, so now it's a dog. I think I should have one of those notifications too; not for dogs or women of course, but I can't figure out what he has or how he did it. Ahem...Writ Keeper...? Pretty please? Drmies (talk) 23:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Ha, yes, I did see that--I needed some extra baby aspirin for the headache it gave me. You're not just a bit gay, are you? ;) Sorry I didn't remember, though, oddly, I remember reading it. Drmies (talk) 23:56, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, after my flamboyance was used in my defense at ANI, I figured it was best to play it up a bit. ;) It's true, though - I think it shows much more on-wiki than off-, as a few confused female friends of mine could attest to. Unfortunately, though, this makes your below "rhetorical flourish" comment unacceptably prejudical, and I'll have to take you to WP:LGBT for an immediate topic ban from all pages edited by gay users. (Still not sure how synesthesia comes into it, though.) — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:13, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
  • You know what, I'm a bad stereotyper: I wasn't connecting the rhetorical flourish to flamboyance. Duh. My oldest daughter and you have something in common, maybe, in terms of outspokenness--she proclaimed loudly that no one in our house believes in God or goes to church and that we don't own any bibles. At the Girl Scout meeting. Mrs. Drmies was shocked and embarrassed; I am (secretly) proud of her. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
  • She sounds like quite the handful, but in a good way. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
  • She's so much more assertive than I was as a kid. "Where do you go to church?" "Umm, I don't?" (I always hated that question with its assumption that everyone goes to church. Asked in that manner, if you don't go, there's no "right" answer.) LadyofShalott 16:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


Enjoy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
And the talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I love it! It's so beautiful I'm not going to turn it into an actual edit notice. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 23:46, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  • LoL, I hoped you'd like it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, all the cool kids are doing it. I made one for my user page a month-ish ago; too many people trying to ask questions on it, rather than the talk page. Writ Keeper 23:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Androphilia and gynephilia[edit]

I'm learning something here, Francophonie. Someone dropped something interesting on my Facebook the other day and I'll see if I can find it. Lady--was it you? A Swedish catalog? And then, today, I saw someone categorizing a Dutch swimmer as a Dutch female swimmer (that's according to our guidelines, of course), and was wondering, do we really have to divide everything that way? BTW, I think the German Wiki (capital, of course) has "Mann" and "Frau" as categories. Drmies (talk) 00:06, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Glad to help. ;) In my ever-procrastinated credo, I plan on pointing out that the weirdness of my username (I mean, imagine if you went by "Nederlands spreken heterosexual") is proof that I did not at all plan on becoming a serious Wikipedian when I created my account. (There's also this bug in {{urlenconde}} with ampersands... rather annoying. Someone remind me to report it.) — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:19, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Found it--at least, found a reference to it, this one from The Wall Street Journal. As for serious Wikipedians--some of us belong to Category:Wikipedians who are not a Wikipedian. Hey Francophone, don't pigeonhole my sexuality! I can't help it that I'm a sexy beast. Lady, I wore my wolf shirt a couple of weeks ago: I expect a lot of women in the next week or so will have a surprise, when something they're expecting isn't coming. I suppose you could feel something twitch the next state over. Drmies (talk) 01:26, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Ecoleetage[edit]

Indeed, he was an integral part of the community. But to me the title Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians kinda implies that somebody actually *misses* the people listed on the page. But ... meh. Graham87 00:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I suppose. In fact, before I added his name I looked all up and down that page to see if there was a note to that effect and if there were others who left under a cloud, so I thought it was alright. But it's not worth the effort to go back and add him again. Thanks for the note, Drmies (talk) 01:19, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Dennis Brown[edit]

I removed my comment. Till 04:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Good. So did I. Let's move on. Sorry, but my hyperbole threshold goes down as the day gets older. Drmies (talk) 04:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

One day he's "breaking Wikipedia", the next he's talking to himself...[edit]

What will we do next?Theopolisme 18:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Probably go crazy with power, revdelete that diff so that Nobody Will Ever Know, and lock everyone out of their accounts. You want to watch that one, he's crazy. Writ Keeper 18:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm sure he thanks you for the advice. —Theopolisme 18:10, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 :0 Drmies (talk) 18:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

What's up doc?[edit]

I have a situation that I feel you would be better at reviewing. It is at User_talk:Dennis_Brown#Curious_about_some_new_articles. It appears a professor at UNC Chapel Hill had a project for students to start a ton of articles, most of which aren't really notable. Not sure how we handle these, although obviously we like disclosure so we can assist and be helpful. I thought a fellow Professor might be the best person to look at this, maybe offer him/her future advice, or just review. I had recommended leaving the articles alone for the time, as we don't want to bite potential editors, but they will need addressing eventually. At the end of that section is a link to a page that shows the email address. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 18:09, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Lady might be better for this; I seem to recall she was made an Online Ambassador or some such, which I think means that dealing with these kinds of courses was her job (no, Drmies, I don't know what it pays). In any event, the professor should probably be pointed towards WP:USEP or something like that. Writ Keeper 18:13, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I'll have a look when I'm done with various things. FWIW, WK, I am a Campus Ambassador--also a charitable, non-tax-deductible act. Drmies (talk) 18:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I had no idea! Nevermind then, you're the man. Writ Keeper 18:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Just think, without the Education Program I would have remained blissfully unaware of Drmies' existence. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Is that so, Ed? Just remember, I loved you before I knew you. Drmies (talk) 19:17, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I guess we get a lot of professors that make assignments on Wikipedia without trying to coordinate even a little with us. They act like we will let just anyone edit around here. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 21:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
The nerve! Actually my little sister had to write an article from scratch for a college English class. She did a pretty good job, I think. ~Adjwilley (talk) 22:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


I have a small problem on the WTJU page. The "General Manager" for WTJU is reverting wattage information stating the station is at 1,500 watts, FCC says 600. We have to go by the FCC's "licensed" information (per WPRS and other rules), which says 600 watts unless there is third party sources to back up the claim before the FCC updates their website. Since I can't revert pages all willy-nilly anymore, I am bringing this to your attention. I have left a message on the user's talk page, but haven't yet received a response. - NeutralhomerTalk • 23:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I reverted, with edit summary confirming your note. If you like, you can leave them a welcome message--after all, they're a new user. Thanks Homer, Drmies (talk) 01:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks, much appreciated. Welcome message has been deployed. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 03:08, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Discography in progress quick peek for advice[edit]

Drmies, Could you please take a quick peek at this here and tell me what you think? Does the format look OK? I am having trouble getting some of the Releases categories in the infobox to direct down to the sections. I am also finding an image or two; and I am compiling more references. Am I on the right track? (I am also working up an expansion of the article page for the producer. Thank you for any help as always. Doc2234 (talk) 03:39, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

  • That's a mighty big discography: very impressive work. I've worked with that infobox before and could never figure it out--I'm not the best person to ask. I got it right by being lucky, I think. Back in the day I got some help from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), who also reviewed FL nominations. They're probably a better person to ask; give it a shot, maybe? Drmies (talk) 03:51, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
I will. Thanks! Doc2234 (talk) 03:59, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

NYU-Poly article and List of NYU Polytechnic Institute people[edit]

You are deleting massive amounts of sourced materials--MUMMYMAN (talk) 05:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Bullshit. You're turning the article into a fluffy, promotional list, with massive BLP and POV violations. Aren't you blocked yet? Hey, nice image--well done. Drmies (talk) 05:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Marco once warned you because of your behavior--MUMMYMAN (talk) 05:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Professors, buses, and books[edit]

People think that my resources are so good; yet in fact they are in general poorer than those of most Wikipedia editors (even discounting the ones with JSTORrery, Tex-Mex Lexus, and Main Beaming). I do own a couple of books, though. Uncle G (talk) 11:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Interesting article. What I think you were supposed to have read was Coren saying "OK, the sourcing is there--now, Uncle, since you've taken us this far, will you FORTHELOVEOFGOD put those references in a properly expanded version of the article?" Maybe. And I hope Sinterklaas brought you something nice; the girls got bath toys and dresses, and hard pink hats (as opposed to pink hard hats). Drmies (talk) 15:16, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Richard Nieuwenhuizen (Dutch linesman) murder[edit]

Hi there Mies,

please message me when/if you find out anything about the juridical outcome of this situation. Without any knowledge of the legal system in your country, i have a gut feeling what will happen to these MURDERERS, reformatory, couple of years (if not one!), slap on the wrist and off you go lads, behave!

For now i know they have been banned for life from football, certainly that's not all they're going to get. Kind regards, dankiu vel --AL (talk) 21:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


Please. BLP violations, edit warring, oy. There's an ale in it for you. (talk) 22:58, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I made a stop at the beerstore after going to Publix, but I charged it to your account--an Avery Belgian ale, a Westmalle tripel, an Affligem tripel, and there was something else. In the meantime your opponent got hisself blocked for a week: they're lucky, since I probably would have blocked them indefinitely. All the best to you and yours, and I hope you like my new tits, Drmies (talk) 00:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
    • Well, I'm a leg man mysel---aw, who am I kidding. Ale-wise you're way more sophisticated than I am--last night I was happy with a Guinness. As for the blocked party, honestly I don't consider disruptive accounts 'opponents'; they're just users who don't mean well, and ought not be tolerated. This one has received way too much slack, and I suspect if the subject were a high profile personality an indefinite block would have been applied back in October. But the whole business, with the lack of page protection and warning received by yours truly, is for the birds. How do you stand it? (talk) 00:44, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
      • (Musing) I suspect part of the subtext is driven by projection: if someone meant to do mischief to my biography, or that of someone I knew, I'd hope that the efforts would be thwarted immediately, with offending accounts shut down. Sometimes that happens here, but as we know, at other times the wheels turn a bit more slowly, and time-sink discussions ensue that seek to support purely disruptive ends. The only way to deal with that on a personal level is to not take the content of Wikipedia to heart--its very fluidity allows for all manner of bilge, as well as the more prevalent efforts to craft constructive content. At some point the protection of BLPs, and of content in general, will need to acquire greater teeth, or the field of contributors will be narrowed. These are inevitable steps if credibility is to be ramped up. Now, where's that drink...Ive grown thirsty on this soapbox. (talk) 01:01, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: h[edit]

Brohoof received. PS: Your user page is the best. :) (talk) 23:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

PPS: Happy Holidays. :D (talk) 23:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Likewise: all the best to you! Drmies (talk) 00:05, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Your edit summary[edit]

"OK, can we all stop agreeing so I can post this damn message"...

I thought that was the funniest thing in quite a while. If I wasn't too lazy to find a "omg teh funni" barnstar, I'd give you one. Oh well. Laziness~ gwickwiretalkedits 03:37, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, after that it happened again, and then again. I had more choice words in mind. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:49, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Administrator Barnstar Hires.png The Admin's Barnstar
Unlike Puffmaster or whatever his name was, I don't think your admin status should be revoked, and therefore I'm awarding you this barnstar. Go Phightins! 03:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)