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Recreational drug use[edit]

Hi, I'm leaving a message here because I'm not sure if you'll see the note I put at Talk:Recreational drug use (if you don't know how to use a watchlist, leave me a note on my talk page and I can help). There is an article on entheogens, and I will make a redirect from Spiritual drug use and, I suppose, Religious drug use to make it easier to find. Tuf-Kat 05:04, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)


Thanks to both of you, I appreciate it. DryGrain 17:42, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Reverting edits[edit]

You need to be a administrator in order for that. If you stick around long enough, and become a trusted user, then you can nominate yourself for adminship, or someone else would nominate you. (I'm sure you understand that we can't let just any user delete articles for good! :) Dysprosia 10:17, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

PETA link on Hamburger[edit]

Your concern was addressed on Talk:Hamburger. I would like to ask you to reply there and justify adding the link in the first place. Philwelch 00:19, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)


User bio does not mention or discuss: contested validity of the residence of English-speaking people in California, the details of how the user was created and produced, and other needed information. Okay, this is a joke to illustrate the point I am making on Talk:Hamburger. Philwelch 01:00, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I admire how principled you are, despite my disagreement with your principles. Philwelch 13:11, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Body piercing[edit]

On the piercing talk page you asked:

What the hell is a Jacob's Ladder? It's under the Genital Piercing section. I followed the link and all it says is that it "is also a type of body piercing". That sure helps. </sarcasm> If anyone knows, drop a note on my talk page or i'll just watch this page.

If you haven't found out yet, it's a row of frenum piercings (usually with barbells) on the under-side of the penis, so that it resembles a ladder. So it's not really one piercing, but a bunch of piercings millerc 00:52, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

They're commonly referred to as a "frenum ladder" as well. -- tooki 02:58, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

...and on the nose piercing page you asked:

I was wondering if there is any information on piercing the bridge of the nose? I have seen people with it and am considering it myself. Put your thumb and index finger between your eyes like you are adjusting eyeglasses, and then move down your nose until you feel the bone stop and the cartilage begin. Thats where I'm talking about. If you know anything about this, please leave a note on my talk page

It's just like an eye-brow piercing, just in a different location (almost no sensation while getting it done). Any competent piercer can do this piercing easily. millerc 00:59, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

A Jacob's Ladder is a series of piercings on the underside of the penis, which can extend from the base to the frenum, or the part where the head connects to the shaft. They're usually done with barbells, though some people wear rings. Exploding Boy 00:37, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

I have a little bit more information on the Jacob's Ladder or Frenum Piercing. No one has addressed the reason for this piercing. This piercing has some nice benefits for both partners. The stimulation of the balls of the barbells is fantastic according to my wife. The slightly increased sensitivity in the area of the piercing feels great when lightly stroked by either fingers or a tongue for example. Humming during oral while the tongue is laid against the ladder sends waves of pleasure through the shaft. My wife thinks it's funny to push this magic button during oral stimulation. Lastly, at least in my case, there was the unexpected benefit of a slightly altered concentration of blood flow to the area that had the same effect as a ring and made me a bit thicker than before. I hope this info is beneficial in understanding this particular form of body modification. DD 09:18, Dec 3, 2004

well, this was the most helpful information iv'e read so far, thank you for the more personal description of actual feelings and differences.

Captain Planet[edit]

Hi, I noticed your edits to the Captain Planet and the Planeteers page. While some are good (I thought the "seemingly endless supply of puns and cliches" had a nice bite to it) I'd just like to emphasise that links should be used only where the linked page is highly relevent, which generally means sparingly.

For example, linking the "Greek" in "Greek goddess" to "Greece" is unlikely to mention much about Ancient Greece, and the goddess article is highly generic as well, unlike the page for Gaia, which was already linked. The water article just talks about water in general, not in the context of the classical elements, which were already linked. Criminal is similarly too generic, as are ring and communication. The heart article is almost completely unrelated to its use in Captain Planet.

More debatably, I think giving a page to each eco-villain is overkill, since there's precious little to say about each one, no more than is already said, unless someone really wanted to discuss their roles in detail throughout the series. Also, the Duke Nukem page already exists and is unrelated. I also think the reference to George Orwell, besides being unqualified (ie Animal Farm) is also unjustified; greed was associated with pigs long before that novel was published.

On the other hand, some links I thought were pretty good to leave in were: continent, love, villain, mutant, mad scientist, and industrialization. In general, if in doubt, look at the page you're linking and ask yourself how relevent it is.

I don't mean to complain; I hope this is helpful to you. If it makes you feel better, I'm a vegetarian too.

Derrick Coetzee 15:35, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)


South Beach Beverage Company[edit]

(To Falcon Kirtaran)

What is the purpose of you removing information from South Beach Beverage Company and then asking what can possibly be written about it? And might I ask what was POV about that article? Your addition of 'marketed toward neo-hippie' or some such is more POV that the article was to begin with. I thought I'd ask here before I reverted your edits. Also, if you hadn't noticed, some of the beverage links already pointed to articles before you dewikified them. DryGrain 04:41, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

(1) It was apparent from reading the article and attempting to take relevant notes on the topic of history that the article was comprised primarily of hype and was very short, subtracting lists.
(2) It is clear enough that the company does not have any significant history, or historical significance, or political significance. Therefore very little can be written about it in an encyclopædic fashion.
(3) As I believe was stated quite clearly in a summary, the deleted "content" was comprised of a list which is not useful in anything except the original form and is already readily available verbatim on a website which is linked to directly from the page.
(4) The links pointed to pages listed on VfD and looked, from a reading standpoint, to be excessive.
Falcon 04:51, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)

The article was not composed of hype. The company may not have political or historical significance, but that is not a criteria for having an article on the Wikipedia. It is, however, a common enough part of popular culture to warrant mention. The list is useful, it provided information on the products of the company and did not require one to go off-site for this information. And just because a page is listed on VfD does not mean it will be deleted, and therefore removing links to it is premature. DryGrain 05:07, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Once again: The links were removed because of clutter, and because they did not seem useful. The list was removed because it was large and was not actually encyclopædic information. Also, everywhere else, people have to go off-site for product-specific information and specifications because they are not encyclopædic, nor actual knowledge. Falcon 05:15, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)

Clutter? Now the article is stub-length with messy format. And what may not seem useful to you may be useful to someone else. I would also like you to define encyclopedic information and tell me how a list of a company's products does not meet your criteria. You still have not defended removing links to articles on specific beverages that would otherwise not be linked to from anywhere. DryGrain 05:29, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The article was stub-length before, excepting the list which does not actually count toward length because it is a list without additional information on the entries. It is not half so much whether or not it is useful so much as that it is general practice to not include such lists. Also, the links were removed because they were not necessary in the context of the article. Why must I continue repeating this? And as for encyclopædic information, it is constituted by history and public fact. Public fact is constituted as facts which are either key information about a private entity which is famous (history, locale, dates of birth/creation and death/destruction), or nonsemantic general facts about a public entity, or facts pretaining directly to a concept or location, or general facts about a publication or other media. Falcon 05:40, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)

The list did provide additional information to the products, as they were all links to articles of potential articles about said beverages. Articles are not supposed to be as short and condensed as one can make them, they should include all information relating to that subject as possible. Perhaps the list is not 'nessecary', but it was good information to include and helped provide validartion for the article itself. And as for your definition, it excludes about half of the Wikipedia. DryGrain 05:50, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It includes about 85% or more of it, actually. Please reference an article which is excluded but actually worthwhile, preferably on the "featured" page. Further, the links were excessive by most standards. Articles are not supposed to be cole's notes, agreed, however verbatim lists do not formally count as conduct. If you want, we could re-include the list and then list the article on cleanup or VfD (preferably te latter) and let someone else decide. Falcon 16:45, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)

The links are not excessive, they provide good information about the products. I would like an explanation as to why you are editing articles directly from my "My Contributions" heading. My opinion is that you are miffed about my edits to Vampire lifestyle, in which case you need to grow up and realize that once something is on the wiki, it is there for anyone to edit. DryGrain 21:34, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You have no idea how I got to the articles. One of your articles composed purely of nutritional information caught my eye in VfD (which is on my watchlist); I decided to have a look at some of your other contributions which I occasionally do for users who get their pages added to VfD. I really couldn't care less about your edits to that page; it will be discussed there if there is actually something wrong with it. Falcon 03:04, Apr 27, 2004 (UTC)

So you admit to trolling articles listed on my user page? Either you didn't mean to, or you've become sorrowful of your actions and would like to confess. The Wikipedia doesn't need trolls. And having VfD on your watchlist is a horrible thing to do. Deletionism doesn't help the 'pedia at all. Looking at user pages for people who get thier pages added to VfD so that you can edit the other articles that that person has made is against Wikipedia policy and considered very rude. Somehow or another, I've ended up on your shitlist, whether it be from my edits at your beloved Vampire lifestyle or your deletionism obsession. I'd like to let you know that vengeance and turf wars are not what the Wikipedia is about. DryGrain 05:21, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I disagree, DryGrain, with your second point. I for have VfD on my watch list, because it is is a useful page, and I like to know when it is edited (particularly when I inspect Special:Recentchanges for anonymous edits). Deletionism, meanwhile, is relative, and may or may not have its uses; this is an abstract issue whose merits are best discussed in a broader context. - Fennec 05:31, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
It's not trolling, simply looking at certain articles and editing them as strictly as I would edit any other work. There is about as much applicability for trolling there as would be found in doing the same with "random page". VfD is also good to have on the watchlist; that way I know when new pages are added so that I can vote on the entries. And I look at recent created articles, primarily, of those users just to make sure no other nonsense and garbage has been added. As much is hardly rude, and please quote the said policy. I'm hardly mad at you and don't keep a "shitlist"; it is just that I have noticed and found some articles you have written/proposed via link (and that others have written/proposed, as well, not just you) to be irrelevant or unsuited. I am hardly a deletionist, just sensitive to even a hint of a pro-corporate POV. Falcon 05:24, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC)

Wikiproject on Alternative Medicine[edit]

Thank you for deciding to participate in the Wikiproject on Alternative Medicine.

To simplify the communication process, I strongly suggest that you should add the announcement project page on alternative medicine to your watchlist. This is the only project page that you really need to keep on your watchlist. This is where the open tasks needed to be done in our project will be announced.

Rather than correspond individually to each participant, I will simply update this one project announcement page. The respective talk page will be used for private announcements, such as requests for participating in VfDs, Quickpolls, and Comments. It is way too time consuming to try to communicate individually with everybody in this place. So, this concept should make it quite easy to notify a large block of people about important CAM issues. So, pass the word along to your friends. The more people we get to add our announcement page to their watchlist, the more effective this announcement page concept will become.

For, the time being I would advise that you simply read through the various project pages and ask questions and make comments or suggestions on what we should change.

See talk on the main project page for our future goals by phases I to V. We just completed phase I. Work still needs to be done on finding lost articles. And, the branches of alternative medicine could still use some more work on organizing the various branches by subgroupings. Not all the various branches have been put in at least one sub-grouping. I need to develop a few more things before we begin the compliance audits of the major branches of alternative medicine which would be our next Phase II project. I also would like to slow the project down a bit, as I am getting burn out working on it. -- John Gohde 07:39, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi DryGrain, and welcome to the Wikiproject on Alternative Medicine! heidimo 15:40, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi there. I've made some changes to the Alternative Medicine Wikiproject. As a participant, you may want to have a look at the page and at its talk page. -- ALargeElk | Talk 14:07, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Your DXM reply to my comment[edit]

Also, in regards to (diff) (hist) . . m Dextromethorphan; 04:05:31 . . Arm (Talk) (Theres no way you could take 2grams of DXM and live.), I must disagree. Through personal research and intimate knowledge of the drug dextromethorphan, I have ascertained that for average body weight, 3-4g is in the potentially lethal range, while 2g is actually a rather normal (if high) dose. I know many people, albeit with high tolerances, who ingest this amount on an almost daily basis, and I assure you that they are still alive. DryGrain 15:39, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I'm talking about 3000 mg of pure dextromethorphan. Now I dont really have much experience with the drug. Just read around dextroverse.org and William Whites DXM Faq which I hope you read. According to them taking over 2 grams is not recommended and people died from taking 3g.

Unless your friends have very high tolerence I dont see how they can take so much Or if they do, how well do they function? Or where do they get so much DXM?Arm

3000mg == 3g. 3g is in the potentially lethal range. I am a former active member of the Dextroverse and have read William White's FAQ a few times, and I have quite a bit of expierience with the drug. (I'm 'not' trying to give you the message that "I have more knowledge, so your opinion is worthless", and if it comes off like that to you, then I apologize.) The Dextroverse and the FAQ have both padded the lethal dose ranges in order to avoid liability. Hypothetically, if I had ever abused DXM recreationally (wink) the highest dose I would have ever taken is 2.2g (or 2200mg). I know some people who have gone as high as 3g (3000mg). As far as I know, there has 'never' been a death from an overdose of dextromethorphan. (However, if it's taken in the form of Coricidin, there is also an antihistamine in the pill called chlorpheniramine maleate which 'can' cause overdoses in excessive quantites.) In answer to your question about where one comes across such amounts of DXM, there are many online chemical supply houses which sell DXM in bulk quantities. Omega Fine Chemicals and American Chemical Supply are two popular ones. Usually, 20 grams of DXM powder, bought in bulk, costs only about $40-$60, making it relatively cheap compared to many street drugs, considering that 20 grams is at a minimum, about 7-10 (very) large doses, and at a maximum about 40-50 small doses.

Hope that answers your questions, if not, let me know what I can clarify. DryGrain 08:11, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yeah that covers it all. Thanks. But just because nobody has died from a DXM overdose doesn't mean it's not possible. --Arm

Happy Birthday! Hope you are having a good day, keep up the good work!

Jacob's Ladder[edit]

A Jacob's Ladder is a series of piercings on the underside of the penis, which can extend from the base to the frenum, or the part where the head connects to the shaft. They're usually done with barbells, though some people wear rings. Exploding Boy 00:37, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

burger[edit]

I just stumbled across one of your comments on the Hamburger talk page, and though it might be helpful for me to explain why the meat eaters act in ways that might seem like ignorance or denial to you.

There is a very different worldview here. Being a different worldview, it will be quite alien to you. It is no surprise if you assume that the meat eaters are ignorant or in denial, because they would have to be... if they shared your worldview.

In particular, you wrote: "If you want to lie to yourselves about what's in your sandwich, go ahead, but don't limit the Wikipedia to your euphemisms."

Thing is, most people aren't lying to themselves. They just don't see animals as being equivalent to humans. Many people see animals as being like objects. (most would put animals in an in-between category though) Chopping up an animal is a lot like chopping up a plant. If this were somehow wrong, then what of the cats that kill and eat mice?

I visited my wife's uncles and great-uncle recently. In those 3 houses, I think I saw about a dozen deer-like animals that were stuffed and mounted on the walls. Photo albums revealed hundreds more. These people are perfectly normal and well-adjusted members of society. They shoot animals, chop the animals up, and eat them. These people certainly aren't lying to themselves. They do the same with birds.

Much of the difficulty that some people have with meat has to do with animals being cute or not. Few people care about killing pigs, while many people are bothered by eating horses. Horses are cute. Pigs are gross. Horses have big brown eyes and soft fur. Pigs have beady little eyes, bodies that look obese, and an offensive smell. The strange thing is that pigs are smarter than horses. Pigs are even smarter than dogs.

See, humans tend to protect animals that tug at the heartstrings. Wild cats hiss and growl, while domesticated cats have evolved to make noises like human babies. Giving in to such feelings is to allow yourself to be manipulated.

History has shown that most people would willingly chop up an animal for food, even when starvation isn't an issue. Meat eaters don't usually do this today, but they would if neither meat nor vegetables were available at the supermarket. (obviously, if supermarkets only stocked one type of food, most people would be too lazy to get the other type) One problem with killing your own steer is that a steer is just too damn big and heavy, but people commonly kill fish. Hardly anybody feels bad about whacking a live fish on the deck of a boat.

So, no lying or euphemisms! Normal people are more-or-less completely OK with killing non-human creatures to eat. They obviously do feel rather irritated, with justification, if you assert that you are somehow morally superior for not eating meat.

AlbertCahalan 02:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

PETA has proven themself to not be a neutral source for Wikipedia.
Believe whatever you want to believe and shut up about it. I believe moral vegetarians (and their even more extreme counterparts, vegans) are self-righteous assholes who need a kick in the face. But you dont see me going onto the vegetarian page and saying that or posting Maddoxes little anti-vegetarian rant.[1]Arm 12:00, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


Birthday[edit]

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