User talk:Dweller

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17 January 2017

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7&6=thirteen () 15:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh Yeah (Yello song)[edit]

Oh yeah! Thanks for your help. File:Yello - Oh Yeah excerpt.ogg 7&6=thirteen () 15:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Converted {{listen}} of the file above to a link, due to non-free media copyright. — xaosflux Talk 14:37, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks both. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:40, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't get involved with FPAS[edit]

This. He blocked me for restoring a post from one of these IPs on my very own talkpage before going on to accuse me of enabling sockpuppets. It's simply not worth it. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning. I think that if an administrator is going to make a crusade of stamping on a banned user or users, they ought to do so carefully and when they get it wrong, they ought to be made aware of it, so they can apologise profusely, fix the error and be more careful in future. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:26, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
That's not how it works, at least not with this individual. They've basically rendered the Ref Desks a warzone for absolutely no benefit. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:27, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, on this occasion, he's hit me with his friendly fire. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:29, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

As far as I am concerned, you (The Rambling Man) are one of the greatest vandal fighters in the history of Wikipedia. TRM, to see you cower from a belligerent user is shocking. Snap out of it, man!

Upon reading the above post, I became concerned. So I went to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities and studied the edit histories. It looks like a bull was let loose in a china shop.

I came across this post, which FPAS removed without explanation. It looks like a valid question to me, so I restored the question and answered it with links to relevant material on Wikipedia.

If I get blocked over this, please reinstate me.

Thank you. The Transhumanist 21:08, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

I got reverted, and I posted questions to the reverter here. The Transhumanist 21:21, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
It seems to have stirred up quite a debate. There's a lot under the surface here. It appears the conflict (with the troll), and the controversy over how to approach dealing with the conflict, has been going on for years. The Transhumanist 08:40, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

You will not get anywhere with FPAS. He feels he has a divine right to do just as he likes to destroy the utility of the ref desks. There have been multiple discussions over trying to solve the "problem" not just "treat" the symptoms, but to no avail. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

If consensus emerges and an individual refuses to go along with it, whoever they are, they'll get some uncomfortable scrutiny. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:55, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Move request[edit]

Please move String to String (disambiguation), over redirect.

And then please delete the resulting redirect at String, to make way for a new article.

Thank you. The Transhumanist 18:46, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion request[edit]

There were actually two requests above. No worries. Here's the second one again: Please delete String, to make way for new article. Thank you. The Transhumanist 01:42, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If you have a new article ready in user or draft space, link to it so it can be moved there instead. If you have the text ready, you can just replace the redirect text yourself. Regards SoWhy 08:47, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Sorry, missed that. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:46, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

I wonder what new article could have such a strong claim to primary topic status for this very heavily ambiguous term "string" that it would be legitimate to place it on the unsuffixed title, displacing a disambiguation page. What is that new article, and why was this deletion request actioned without even an explanation of the requester's plans? Also, as long as there's a void at "String", users typing "String" in the searchbox currently end up at "STRING", an article on a (relatively) obscure topic. This is not an acceptable state of affairs. Fut.Perf. 08:51, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
The Transhumanist Please urgently respond or one of us will undo the admin action I did for you in good faith. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:43, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Dweller assumes good faith in me, because he knows that I don't make requests without good reason. There's a thread on the talk page of the disambiguation page. The {{Dabprimary}} tag has been on the disambiguation page since Aug 2015. I didn't have the ability to delete the page myself, and so I needed an admin's help to do so. Now that the base page is clear, I can fill the article there. As always, I appreciate the assist, Dweller. Thank you. And FPAS, thank you for the input. The Transhumanist 14:44, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Moved Draft:String to String. The Transhumanist 14:44, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. I have to say I'm still far from satisfied with this move though, as I do not think it meets the standards of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so I'd ask for things to be moved back at least for the time being. I've given my reasoning at the talkpage thread you mentioned [1]. Fut.Perf. 19:53, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
See the discussion at Talk:String#Article instead of disambiguation page. There are responses to your reservations and your proposal there. Plus work on the article is well under way, with at least 2 editors working on it. Feel free to jump in and help. The more, the merrier. The Transhumanist 07:43, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
FPAS, you've just used admin powers to override consensus and other editors in a debate in which you are a party. That violates WP:INVOLVED, and is an abuse of admin tools. You should not be using your admin powers to force your will upon other editors who you are in debate with concerning an editorial issue. That page was moved from Draft:String to String based upon the discussion at Talk:String (cord)#Article inst ead of disambiguation page. You moved the page String to String (cord), where it has never been before. You did this without consensus and without leaving a redirect, while we were in the middle of a discussion to keep it at String, even though you held the minority position in the discussion. You are not behaving impartially, or fairly. You shouldn't simply ignore everyone else and do what you want. You really should move it back until a new consensus is reached. The Transhumanist 11:28, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
FPAS, first you made a proposal, then you went straight to implementation of it. The Transhumanist 08:12, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

What the hell? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC) The Transhumanist Create a new consensus discussion. You can't depend on 11 year old consensus. Have it out and then call for admin intervention. Sorry, but I should have checked better in this case. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

That was one of 5 factors. The other 4 were:
  1. A draft of the page was awaiting placement, an indication that its author favored the move.
  2. That the topic was the main context at the top of the disambiguation page for years.
  3. The fact that "string" is the oldest topic on the page, and obviously has historical primacy.
  4. My support, added to the author's mentioned above.
Together, those 5 factors provided sufficient reason to move the page. But, he previous thread (above) attracted FPAS' attention, and he noticed the thread below it and... TRM was right. :) The Transhumanist 11:53, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Discussion to move "String" to "String (disambiguation)[edit]

To resolve the matter above. Just a heads up, in case you want to monitor it, as you have been involved in an administrator capacity. Notices have also been placed at the talk pages of articles that may have a claim to primary topic status, including Talk:String (music), Talk:String (computer science), Talk:String (physics), and Talk:Strings (tennis). The Transhumanist 23:12, 16 January 2017 (UTC)