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Hello, DynamoDegsy, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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October 2008[edit]

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Derek Turner (journalist)[edit]

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England statistics[edit]

Could I ask you to place the England stats below the players club profile. Just keeps it inline with the MOS and brings a little uniformity to the articles. Cheers.Londo06 15:01, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Andrew Wilson (rugby league)[edit]

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Hull Kingston Rovers[edit]

I know you have been editing the above article for some time now - thanks. I have been clearing out my attic recently - yes, I must get out more - and came across the following publication: [1] It is jam-packed full of facts and figures in 160 pages from the club's birth to 1983. Although it is clearly now over 25 years out of date, the historical stuff up to 1983 should be basically sound - a real gold mine. Probably the most important thing is that it is a reliable, citable source, which as you know, the present Wiki article is largely missing (mainly because decent sources are so hard to find). For example, page 62 states - "Derek Turner was transferred to Oldham for £2,500 in the 1955/56 season, but despite this a loss of £208 was made on a year when Rovers finished 24th out of 30" And so it goes on... and on. Excited ?!?

  1. ^ Ulyatt, Michael E. (1983). Hull Kingston Rovers: A Centenary History 1883-1983 (1st ed.). North Ferriby: Lockington Publishing Co. Ltd. ISBN 0-905490-24-X. 

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you explain to me the rationale behind the international caps listing within this article ? It might just be me, but I find it hard to follow - maybe others would do also. 'My book' might be able to fill in some of the uncertainties and gaps; if I could better understand the formatting rationale. Many thanks,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
This is the first time I've used 'Talk', so please excuse me if I make a mess of it.

I see that we're both Derek's, being from Wakefield and born in 1964, I was "sort of" named after Derek 'Rocky' Turner. As there wasn't an article for Derek 'Rocky' Turner, so I thought I'd break my duck and create my first article. Whilst researching Derek 'Rocky' Turner it became apparent that it seems that nothing happened in Rugby League if it happened before the start of 'Super League', and very few club's websites have statistics of famous past players, let alone biographies, so citable sources are always welcome, and bearing in mind many of these players were part-time and unlike some modern association/rugby footballers, they didn't earn enough money to retire directly after playing, and often retired as a result of injury, I decided I would to attempt to restore the recognition that these Notable Players rightly deserve.

I thought rather than creating a club's Notable Players on an ad-hoc basis, it'd be useful to identify Notable Players using a consistent criteria, i.e. whilst at that club: players who won the Championship or Challenge Cup (I may eventually expand that to include County Championship and County Cup); players holding club match/season records, i.e. appearance, tries, goals, points; players who had testimonial matches; players who gained international honours (I may eventually expand that to include County honours).

So I set about creating 'Players Earning International Caps Whilst At...' sections for the 42-clubs that have had England Internationals (also including their Great Britain statistics if relevant).

The basic form is...

Forename Surname | Player's Nation: Whilst At Club Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation

As rugby league players often play for more than one country, e.g. both Great Britain, and England or Wales, this can become...

Forename Surname | Player's Nation #1: Whilst At Club Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation | Player's Nation #2: Whilst At Club Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation

As rugby league players often play for their country whilst moving from club -to- club, this can become... Forename Surname | Player's Nation: Whilst At Club #1 Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Whilst At Club #2 Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation

As rugby league players often play for more than one country whilst moving from club -to- club, this can become... Forename Surname | Player's Nation #1: Whilst At Club #1 Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Whilst At Club #2 Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation | Player's Nation #2: Whilst At Club #1 Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Whilst At Club #2 Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation; Year Opposition Nation, Opposition Nation

If known, and as an Aide-mémoire, I've added the year the player's Testimonial Match took place and/or the player's position after his name, e.g. Roger Millward (Testimonial match 1977) (#6) | etc. Whilst not absolutely necessary for someone as notable as Roger Millward, I feel it's helpful for less notable players for whom an article has yet to be written.

DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Well done on your ongoing work on this article. Just a thought, and I have not got a reference (as yet), but I believe Frank Foster gained GB honours whilst at Hull KR. If so, he needs moving up a section. As an aside, he was the roughest, toughest man I have ever seen on the rugby pitch (and I've seen many) - worth 5 points start every game. Decent player too. Best wishes,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Me again. I have been doing a little research in the last five minutes on Laurie Osborne. His surname appears as both Osborne, and Osbourne, in equal measure in the little book I mentioned above?! My separate Google search definitely favours Osborne. He seems to have played between 1920 and 1931, as far as I can ascertain. In the present Hull K.R. article his name is listed under both 'Players earning international ...' and 'Other notable players' - surely it is one or the other. My book mentions him being selected for Yorkshire three years in succession, but not for England duties - although that might just be an omission. He did play for Yorkshire against New Zealand in December 1926 - see here [1]. Does this help ? Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I had a similar issue with surname spelling with Drew Turnbull/Turnball. I obtained the Laurie Osborne statistics from englandrl. Best Wishes. DynamoDegsy (talk) 20:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Rugby league player pages[edit]


The infoboxes for RL players on the pages you have been creating all give their date and place of birth as 1900, Town. All their heights and weights are the same. Do you have the information? If not it would be best to leave it completely blank. pablohablo. 20:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Here's an example: Gary Shepherd.
  • Born 1 January 1900(1900-01-01), Town, Great Britain
  • Height 6 feet 0 inches (1.83 metres)
  • Weight 13 stone 7 pounds (85.73 kilogrammes / 189 pounds)
Does it not seem to you to be meaningless to include this bogus information in every biography? The women of Town were bloody busy in 1900 turning out all these 6 foot rugby players who all weigh the same. pablohablo. 22:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

New Zealand Clubs[edit]

Hey, It is my understanding that only first grade clubs are meant to be in a rugby league players infobox. WP:RL has established this to mean Super League and NRL. So I think your edits on Iva Ropati should be changed back. On the other hand, good idea adding the cats - maybe one day I'll get around to going through all Auckland players and adding clubs. Mattlore (talk) 19:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Category moves[edit]

I noticed that you have moved several rugby categories such as Category:Widnes Vikings players to other names. It is usual practice to propose such moves at WP:CfD, if there is consensus for the move the category can be moved automatically. Changing them in the manner that you have been doing destroys the page history, could you seek consensus at CfD before you carry out any more page moves? King of the North East 23:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I've still not the hang of this User talk, but here goes... There were about 40-50 players in Category:Widnes Vikings players and 40-50 players in Category:Widnes Vikings rugby league players. As the majority of teams in Category:Rugby league players by club have the suffix rugby league players, I thought it best to move 'Widnes Vikings players' manually into 'Widnes Vikings rugby league players'. If there is an automatic move, that'd be great as there are a number of other anomalies between '...players' and ' league players'.

  • [Team ...players league players]
  • [Bradford Bulls 90 33]
  • [Castleford Tigers 90 9]
  • [Huddersfield Giants 85 9]
  • [Hull Kingston Rovers 83 1]
  • [London Broncos 122 58] (Note the 58 are Harleguins RL)
  • [Salford City Reds 83 2]
  • [Wigan Warriors 95 59]


DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I see your point, looking at the page histories it seems user:Jeff79 didn't like the Category:Castleford Tigers players type categories I created back in 2007 and took it upon himself to create a hoard of duplicate categories instead of going through the usual process of proposing that the categories be moved. Personally I cant really see the point in adding the words "rugby league" to the category name except in cases such as Harlequins (RL & RU) where disambiguation is necessary it's not like any of the other sports do this see Category:Boston Celtics players not Category:Boston Celtics basketball players, Category:Sheffield United F.C. players not Category:Sheffield United association football players, Category:Nottingham Panthers players not Category:Nottingham Panthers ice hockey players etc. I will raise a CfD and inform the project page about this issue, having parallel categories like this is absurd. Regards King of the North East 22:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I have now raised a requested move discussion and informed the relevant project of the discussion here, feel free to make your comments on the CfD, regards King of the North East 23:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The MOS, lower-case country names for subs, etc[edit]

DynamoDegsy. I've been through a number of the Rugby League articles changing things like [[Leigh]] to [[Leigh Hornets|Leigh]], removing some self-references (I see I missed some), and general cleanups. I tripped up over the use (yours?) of lower case letters (eg papua new guinea) to indicate that a player came on as a sub. A couple of other editors have done the same, thinking it was a mistake. Do you have any major disagreement with me swapping (eg) "france" for "France (sub)"? Similarly, you shouldn't really use bold much in the body of an article for emphasis, you should use italics. Again, do you have an issue with me swapping England for England? Lastly, "whilst" is depracated in favour of "while". So, to take a (slightly made up) example, "Stuart Wright, for England whilst at Wigan 1975 new zealand" would become "Stuart Wright, for England whilst at Wigan 1975 New Zealand (sub)". I can see you put a lot of work into these articles, so I don't want to irritate for the sake of it, but I'm trying to bring them into line with the MOS. Regards, Mr Stephen (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

So, do you have an opinion? Mr Stephen (talk) 16:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. To be honest, some parts of the MOS are not how I would write them, but without a style guide it would be a bit anarchic. My network connection has been up and down like the proverbial you-know-what tonight but I'll try and work on the Super League teams tonight. If you see any major errors, please let me know. Regards, Mr Stephen (talk) 22:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of James Clampitt[edit]

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I may be wrong, but it seems like we shouldn't make articles for every Rugby player that has ever lived. If you feel otherwise, feel free to put {{hangon}} on the top of the page. Thanks! Jwkpiano1 (talk) 12:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I've declined the deletion of James Clampitt per wp:athlete - International level players are certainly notable. Thanks for adding it to Wikipedia. ϢereSpielChequers 14:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
PS When creating articles on professional sportsmen an edit summary of "creating bio of prof sportsman per wp:athlete", would give our new page patrollers an unsubtle hint as to why they should mark it as patrolled rather than tag it for deletion. ϢereSpielChequers 14:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Your created articles[edit]

Hey, I'm from WikiProject on rugby league, and you recently and have created many articles on rugby league players. I have some problems with the articles you create. Out of the 7 articles you created on rugby league I noted, you don't reference anything. How do I know if the information you are talking about is true? It could be all false, and to stop your articles from being deleted, you need to places sources. You must get the information from somewhere, reference it, otherwise it might be condidered Original Research. If you need help with referencing, ask me, or see WP:REF. Secondly, about some problems you make about the infobox:

  • You don't need to make the image File:Replace this image male.svg bigger using the "image_size" parameter.
  • You can use {{Rlp}} on the positions a player plays at. See the documentation on how it works.
  • In any parameter you don't fully now, you use "≤" or "≥" symbols. This is not only ugly, but not suggested. For the parameters "Games", "Tries", "Goals", "FG" and "Points", leave blank if there is no information.
  • For the year parameters, it should not (I repeat should not) go over two lines, therfore again, if not fully known should be left blank
  • There is a source parameter on {{Infobox rugby league biography}}, use it to identify the source
  • Also for every player, you add a club, with the name ?, what is the supposed to do, it is bad.
  • Finally, colours are depreciated as they violate Wikipedia policy (WP:MOSFLAGS) and therefore should not be used in the infobox.

Thankyou and I hope you appreciate my comments, if anything unclear, please leave a message here, as I will know if you reply, thankyou,  The Windler talk  06:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

  • The use of the "image_size" parameter is a legacy from the original article that I used as a template, as at the time I was unaware of the ‘Template:Infobox rugby league biography’. In future, I shall ensure the "image_size" parameter is blank. I will revisit and amend my existing articles.
  • The {{Rlp}} is okay, but it’s southern hemisphere-centric as Five-eighth, Halfback and Lock are generally known as Stand-off, Scrum-half and Loose forward in the northern hemisphere, and I was trying to be inclusive. Is there any way that {{Rlp}} can be modified to show both northern and southern hemisphere descriptions of these positions?
  • In future, I shall leave the "Games", "Tries", "Goals", "FG" and "Points" parameters blank if not known. I will revisit and amend my existing articles.
  • In future, I shall use the Source: {{{source}}} parameter. I will revisit and amend my existing articles. Having used the Source: {{{source}}} parameter, do I need to add additional references to the main body of the article, if they are from the same source?
  • In future, I shall no longer use flags in the {{Infobox rugby league biography}}, even though they do brighten up an otherwise dull table. I will revisit and amend my existing articles.
  • I’m not sure what you mean by “for every player, you add a club, with the name”, can you please elucidate?
  • I have a problem with the {{Infobox rugby league biography}}. It appears to be limited to 10 clubs, and players such as Geoffrey Clarkson played for more than this. Is it possible to have this template modified?

Best Regards

Thankyou for your response.
  • I agree with your statement on {{rlp}} OK.
  • No, you need to use every instant of the source in the article using <ref></ref>, whereas the "source=" parameter you use [url title] (where title is the name of the source, eg Darren Lockyer)
  • So if you use the same source for many statements in the article, use<ref name="Source1">Enter source info here</ref>, then use <ref name="Source1"/> in every instance after.
  • Not only flags, but the colours, eg. Wigancolours.svg.
  • I can fix increase the number of teams in the template, give me a little time.
  • Eg, on Charles Pawsey (rugby league), you have for parameter "club1=" is "?", is this a place holder for something, does this mean he absolutely played for another club before hand. If information isn't known, it is generally left out?
Thankyou,  The Windler talk  10:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
  • re: "Not only flags, but the colours" Sorry, I meant both flags and colours.
  • re: "club1=" is "?", ah, I see what you mean. It was meant as a placeholder. I will revisit and amend my existing articles.
  • On the topic of revisiting existing articles, is there a way to get a list of all of the articles I've created? Soxred93's Tool is truncated to 'only' 100 articles... [2]

Best Regards

You'll find all your created articles here  The Windler talk  11:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think you also need to have a read of Wikipedia:Naming_convention, specifically this part. Thanks.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The problem I have with common names is that a person can have several of them, e.g. Douglas Clark (rugby league) is randomly known as Doug Clark, Dougie Clark or Duggy Clark, dependant upon which reference is used. Similarly people called William, are invariably called; Will, Bill, or Billy, etc. which is why I’m erring towards using their ‘Sunday’ name.

Best Regards

Please see User_talk:Jeff79#Use_common_names_of_persons_and_things.--Jeff79 (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
In light of this, can you now stop making up your own names for the biography articles you create please?--Jeff79 (talk) 12:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
You also need to read this.--Jeff79 (talk) 15:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

It would be really helpful if you would read and follow the WP:OVERLINK guideline and also to stop using made-up names for players in their biography articles. Such edits are going to be undone. It will save a lot of time and energy if they could just be done right the first time. If you need any clarification about any of this, just ask.Jeff79 (talk) 09:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I have updated {{Rlp}} to include northern hemisphere terms as well as southern. You can now use "SO", "SH" and "LF". LunarLander // talk // 16:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Wakefield Trinity[edit]

Hi. I see you undid my replacement of the large list of notable Trinity players with a Category link. I feel that have literally hundreds of players listed as being notable is pretty meaningless and also leads to a very cluttered article. There is the fragments of a discussion regarding this on the article's talk page. Please put your points across there. Cheers! Dancarney (talk) 11:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Rugby league player bios[edit]

Hi there

The script you're using to create rugby league bio players has a glitch: it's spacing the quote marks around nicknames in the lead wrongly, and created e.g. Michael "Mick "Worrall instead of Michael "Mick" Worrall". Probably worth some attention. Gonzonoir (talk) 10:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, DynamoDegsy: I've replied and made another suggestion on my talk page. Gonzonoir (talk) 08:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Rugby league players[edit]

You have created a lot of rugby league players articles over the past few months, and I have no problem with that, except that I usually follow up and tag them with WikiProject Rugby league and WPBiography tags. WikiProject Rugby league and to a lesser extent WikiProject Biography are projects that Wikipedia users form to oversee Rugby league and Biography articles. We tag all articles by editing their talk pages. The point of tagging them, is so that if they are ever put up for deletion or need reviewing or any other similar things, we know about it, and may help to save the article from being deleted or help in the review process. The reason I am pointing this out to you is you create a lot of articles. And for me to follow up and add these tags, is a boring job. Could it be possible for you to add the following to each talk/discussion page you create.

{{WikiProject Rugby league

Any questions, you can reply here.  The Windler talk  06:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Just a small addition to the above. Would you also include the |living=? It will help the people at BLP who need to keep track of material that could be litigous. While you are at it, would you copy the {{DEFAULTSORT}} value from the article page and paste it after the |listas= on the talk page?

Thank you for your assistance.

JimCubb (talk) 20:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
JimCubb Could please check/amend Talk:Louis Marshall (rugby league)DynamoDegsy (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I did it and thought I left a message about it. All that is needed after |listas= is the value from {{DEFAULTSORT}}, the words after the colon. If you get a chance look at {{lifetime}}. It acts as a sort value and has parameters for date of birth and date of death. I had to guess from the usage in the article that Mr Marshall is still living.

Thank you again for your cooperation.

JimCubb (talk) 20:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Saints' Notable Former Players[edit]

Just to let you know, I slightly modified your edit to the section of the Saints page. It was nothing major- I just added a flag icon and changed the external link to a reference to make it look more organised.

Just a pointer for future edits, I'm by no means whatsoever trying to discourage you from editing.

Ta for your time,

Ymron (talk) 09:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Split off records including international appearances[edit]

You may be interested in this discussion. Cheers, GW(talk) 11:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[edit]

Hi - I find this link which you use as a source to support international caps really confusing. For instance, this morning I looked at the Emlyn Gwynne article and followed the link you had posted, yet I cannot find an Emlyn Gwynne. Certainly not on the page you linked to and even after I put in a search. There is an Emlyn Jenkins, but not Gwynne. Is there a direct link you can use to support international data? Cheers,  florrie  23:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Florrie, apologies, firstly I made a mistake in the inline citation, putting a double // in the rugbyleagueproject URL. With regard to the external link, I've been helping englandrl correct some errors and anomalies on their website, during which I also identified that only players who had played for Great Britain AND England feature on their website, meaning Irish, Scottish & Welsh players, and even English players who had played for Great Britain but not England, such as Rugby League Hall of Fame inductee, Vince Karalius did not feature. I suspect, but I don’t know for sure, but Emlyn Gwynne is probably Welsh, so he wouldn’t necessarily have appeared on the englandrl website. I believe non-England international Great Britain internationals are still not shown, but I’m hoping the statistics of will be correctly shown soon, but I’ve not been back to the articles to remove or quote out the external englandrl link. DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes for dual-code players[edit]

In case you aren't aware, the template for rugby league biography which you have used for dual-code footballers has the capacity to cater for both codes separately. If you scroll down a bit further on the template's coding page you'll see the rugby union fields to be added on.Jeff79 (talk) 12:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

St Helens RLFC Players Earning International Caps Whilst At St Helens[edit]

I recently put St Helens up for reassessment and, although it did not move from the start class it was, the assessors did give me pointers by which to improve the article. What I am getting at is (at the risk of calling you old (!)) you seem to know a lot more about the past of clubs than the present. Would it be too much to ask that you could reference some - if not all of the players who earned caps?

I do appreciate that you have other pages to be working on - for example I have noticed your work on the Warrington and Wigan pages - so don't commit to just the one if you don't want to (don't commit to it at all for the same reason for that matter.)

Your help would be vastly appreciated,

Thanks a lot,

Ymron (talk) 08:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Just to inform you as well, that is if you choose to help, that I have moved the International Caps section from the main page to St Helens RLFC International Players.


Ymron (talk) 09:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I was about to write the same message! I figured that if I'm going to do an article on Wigan players, I may as well do it properly. Could you tell us where you're getting information on international appearances so we can reference it and elevate the articles to higher classes? GW(talk) 09:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The information on international appearances is obtained from a combination of and (Note: as yet, the englandrl site only gives GB stats for England internationals, i.e. no Irish/Scots/Welsh or even English who haven’t played for England, e.g. Vince Karalius). I created 'Players earning International Caps while at...' sections for forty-ish clubs, I envisaged this as a temporary home, until I completed creating articles for 'every' international player (I'm quite close to finishing GB players, England next, and then the world!!!). My concern is, when players' international statistics are shown on the player’s own page, is there any merit of the statistics being duplicated in the 'Players earning International Caps while at...' section? Also, even if they are exact duplicates now, there’s a high possibility of them getting out of sync over time. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help but I don't quite understand your concern on the details on players pages being duplicated.

Please elaborate,

Ymron (talk) 10:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Let's say, someone updates the information in the player article, but forgets to update the 'Players earning International Caps while at...' section, then a discrepancy has been introduced, this could cast a doubt as to which information is correct, then someone might 'correct' the player article to match the out-of-date 'Players earning International Caps while at...' section. Ideally, changing the information in one place, would be result in the information being dynamically corrected everywhere, but as the information within Wikipedia is static, this isn't possible. Cheers.DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
This shouldn't matter, as long as the material is sourced and is viable then it is reliable.

Thanks for your help again and I will add information to the page in due course,

Ymron (talk) 11:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Players earning International Caps... - positions and style of referencing[edit]

Hi Dynamo, I like all the effort you've put into these sections on club pages, I think they are a great addition to articles but there are a couple of things I hope you will consider:

  • Reference style - would you mind putting a bit more than just the URL when supporting your facts please? Here is an example of what I mean from Hull Kingston Rovers:
    * [[Cyril Kellett]] (#1) [] (382).
Please use Template:Cite web (there are similar ones for books etc. listed in [[Category:Citation templates]] if you need them) to reference your sources otherwise it's left to someone else to work their way through it all at some point. There are more fields available for the template but I generally aim to fill out the ones below (if I can find it - sometimes you might not be able to find a publish date or you might have to put the organisation/publisher as the author):

<ref name="parfitt22-07-08">{{cite web
|title=Jonathan hails Crusaders Super League entry
|author=Delme Parfitt

The first time you cite something for a particular webpage you will need to put all of the above with the fact.

If you need to cite the same page again for the same wiki article you just need to copy the 'ref name' (which you need to make unique in some way e.g. include date or number it) and add a backslash after the fact:

<ref name="parfitt22-07-08"/>

  • In these sections I've noticed you've put e.g. (#13) if you know the player's positions. I think it would be more appropriate to use (LK) or (LF), for example, to note the positions rather than use the number. Rugby league terminology doesn't really use numbers to talk about positions (with the possible exceptions of '6' and '7' sometimes). What are you thoughts?
  • Looking at Huddersfield (maybe others), the sections include several rugby union appearances at times when the player was not with Huddersfield. I was wondering why has a cap been included from a time when they were not with the club?

Thanks, LunarLander // talk // 03:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of George Thomas (rugby)[edit]

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Whats wrong with the otherpersons tag? Mattlore (talk) 22:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

A quick favour, can you point me in the direction of the otherpersons usage format?. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:54, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Template:Otherpersons/doc. Is that what you're after? It should be sufficiently flexible to cover any objects you have over my edits. Mattlore (talk) 00:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Cheers DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Deliberate links to disambiguation pages[edit]

I've noticed you've removed several inter-disambiguation page links that use Foo (disambiguation) to redirect to Foo, e.g. [3]. These are exempt from the usual requirement to avoid redirects on disambiguation pages, as they help anyone cleaning up links to dab pages (the WP:DPL project) by indicating they are deliberate. Please see WP:INTDABLINK. Thanks. Tassedethe (talk) 21:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't realise they were deliberate, I'll stop "correcting" them forthwith. DynamoDegsy (talk)

Edit summary[edit]

Just a quick note; a few of your recent edits have come up on my watch-list, but as you didn't provide an edit summary, it meant I had to go look at what was quite a routine edit. Could you try and provide edit summaries, even for your minor edits. Thanks! Harrias (talk) 10:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't do it, it makes people lazy. Otherwise the vandals will have an easy way to damage pages that we then won't check because they add a summary to fool us. Also you are too busy and important, keep editing, only add a summary if it is slightly argumentative. You know it makes sense. FruitMonkey (talk) 00:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league and discussYoundbuckerz (talk) 09:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

South Wales jerseys[edit]

it is up on their website. Do you know how to put it on the south wales scorpions infobox thing on the wikipedia page?Youndbuckerz (talk) 06:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I've not attempted adding jersey graphics, just images, there must be someone out there who knows how to do it, but not me =:o)DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:42, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Alex Murphy[edit]

... is currently languishing at Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Unreferenced BLPs/Athletes/Alex Murphy. I've noticed you adding a lot f career info to RL articles; are you able to provide any stats and references? This article needs to be in mainspace.   pablohablo. 13:29, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I noticed he'd disappeared, I wondered where he'd gone, I'll add some stats and references. DynamoDegsy (talk) 15:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Cheers. I had (at one time) quite a collection of Rothmans RL yearbooks, and I'm wondering what's happened to them, now that I need them! Such a top player deserves a top article.   pablohablo. 17:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Charles W. Carr[edit]

this is a heads up as you were/are the major contributor to "Charles Carr" now at "Charles W. Carr". It was subject to a clever? vandalism attack on 5 December 2009 where the content was replaced with the content of another rugby page. A good faith editor then redirected the page to the page from which the content was copied, which buried the vandalism. I am writing an stub article on a chap called "Lord [Charles] Carr" and so came across this page because I needed to disambiguate it, but I will not have it on my watch list. As you were a major contributor you might like to place it on yours. -- PBS (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting the vandalism, there really are some proper chumps around. I tend not to watch the articles I've written; treating them like children who've left home, but I'm beginning to think I might need to keep an eye on them. DynamoDegsy (talk)

List of Wales national rugby league team players[edit]

Thanks for pointing me to the great article you put together. If I find any info I'll be sure to update it. Thanks. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:14, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Re Eddie Watkins. Yes it is, he joined Wigan in March 1939. I'll update the article to reflect his league career today. When I started writing many of the Welsh articles I had a limited number of reference books; I have a far wider range now so I may well have missed league information (I now have a RL Wales book, It's a real saviour). FruitMonkey (talk) 11:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
So far only a few pieces of info. I have a middle initial, D.R. "Dai" Bevan, who played for Wales twice in April and September 1953 on both occasions representing Wigan. His prior rugby union team was Oldham. Not much help. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:18, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and there's already an article on him. Dai Royston Bevan. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
The article appears to have been written by a member of the family, and it links in with your thoughts that there was one piece of info incorrect, that being who he was playing for during the GB game. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I've also started linking RU information on William Davies (rugby league 1914), as a dual code player can you think of a better disambiguation name for the article? Maybe William Davies (rugby). Help FruitMonkey (talk) 21:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
That does seem to be the form most commonly used, so go for it :O) DynamoDegsy (talk) 21:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

A new one for you. I've just knocked up an article on Mel Rosser, but can't find his stats for touring Australia with the GB team in 1928. I have references that he went, but no stats. Could he have travelled and just not played? FruitMonkey (talk) 16:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

My suspicion would be that he travelled, but didn't play in the Test Matches, and although he may well have played in Great Britain's non-Test Matches against Australian, and New Zealand; States, Districts, and club sides, these matches are not well documented. I have a similar issue with a player from "my" team, Wakefield Trinity, a Gilbert Robinson toured with GB in 1932, and I even have a picture of him in his GB shirt, but as far as I know he didn't play in the test matches. I would consider the content of List of Great Britain national rugby league team players that I added to be reliable as I used one online and two hardcopy sources... that come to think of it they should be referenced in the article. However, I’ve not added Gilbert Robinson to the "List of Great Britain national rugby league team players", but if I did find evidence of him playing in non-Test Matches should I add him? Although he wouldn’t have played in an international (poor chap, as far as I know he didn’t even get to play for England, or Yorkshire), but technically he would be a Great Britain national rugby league team player. Your thoughts? Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 17:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I've hit several identical problems with the union Lions. People are selected, go on the trip, but never get an international call up, for whatever reason. I play the card, that if you wore the shirt or were selected to travel and train with the team, you were a Lion. I just mention in the article that they did not play a full Test, and in the infobox, I place the Lions down, but state under the games stat - 0 (0). The All Blacks do an identical thing, if you toured with the All Blacks, you are an All Black, you just might not pick up an international cap. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:08, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm... Ponty is a nickname, it would follow that he came from Pontypool or Pontypridd. Tuss, I'm not sure of, I'll keep looking. Lenny Woodard was allowed to shift back and forth between the two codes as in this and this. While Alex Kersley to Brown is actually Alex Kersley-Brown. FruitMonkey (talk) 16:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Also like the blind fool I appear to be, there is a section at the back of my book which lists every Welsh player to have gone on the tours down under with the GB team, along with appearances, goals, tries and Test matches. So I have now answered by question regarding Mel Rosser. Played nine times, none of them Tests. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Holmes, I can't help you on as my book stops in 1985. But with Boston and Freeman I can give some help. The answer is kind of yes and no. Between 1953 and 1968 Wales played no full internationals (I don't know why), basically covering the two players professional careers. ...but during that period three matches were organised between France and a Welsh XIII. This Welsh team was representative but they did not count as full internationals and no caps were awarded. W.J. Boston (Wigan) is recorded as playing against France 'B' on 19th May 1955, while a J. Freeman (Halifax) played against France on 17th Feb 1963. Does this help? FruitMonkey (talk) 12:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'll update their articles to reflect this shortly. Are there any other Welsh players who played for Wales, but in non-full internationals? Another question, a technical one this time, when I respond on my talk page to your answer on my talk page, do you automatically get a new messages prompt? DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
First off; no I don't get a flag if you reply on your page, only if you write on mine. Secondly, the were five non-recognised Welsh internationals. Against Northern RL on 17 April 1927, but all XIII were either full internationals, or would go on to become full internationals. Jim Sullivan, Dennis Madden, George Gummer, Stan Mountain, Alan Edwards (rugby league), David Jenkins (rugby league), Emlyn Jenkins, Dai Prosser, Melvyn Meek, D. Evans (Huddersfield), Norman Fender, Norman Pugh, Alex Givvens. The stats given on your article, also ignore this game, (eg Gummer played two games in 1936 plus the 1937 match listed here; you stats reflect two caps.) I'll add the rest shortly. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:55, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Empire XII at Llanelli on 19th May 1951, Glyn Moses, Arthur Daniels, G. Price (Halifax) capt., Leslie Williams, Roy Lambert, J.H. Thomas (Workington), William Banks, Elwyn Gwyther, R. Blakemore (St Helens), W.J. Jones (Llanelli), Ray Cale, Bryn Goldswain, Granville James. Those with a team club attached appear to be not capped for Wales. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:05, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
I believe the Wales XIII versus British Empire XIII match was associated with the Festival of Britain celebrations. It appears that R. Blakemore (St Helens) is Reg Blakemore a Wales & Newport hooker. Interesingly, the positional number on the WRU website is stated as "9" rather than "2", is this a mistake or were RU pack numbers (flankers excepted) the same as RL numbers back in the 1940s? J.H. Thomas (Workington) is John "Jack"/"Jackie" Thomas who doesn't appear to be Wales RU international, but was a 1952 Challenge Cup winning stand-off with Workington. As yet, I've had no joy in identifying W.J. Jones (Llanelli), but I'm wondering whether G. Price (Halifax), could be Gareth Price who had won 11-caps while at Leeds between 1945…1948? DynamoDegsy (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Maybe the fact that they were playing the game at Llanelli, they allowed a local boy to play to give a nod to the Welsh teams. France 'B' at Nantes May 19th 1955, Glyn Moses, Lionel Emmitt (though spelled Emmett), Billy Boston, Arthur Daniels, Malcolm Davies, William Banks, R. Thomas (Swinton), John Thorley, Tommy Harris, S.G. Owen (Leigh), Charles Winslade, Mel Tierney, Bryn Goldswain (captain). FruitMonkey (talk) 09:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Regarding the France 'B' game at Nantes May 19th 1955, S.G. Owen (Leigh) will be Stan Owen, and R. Thomas (Swinton) will be Rees Thomas, but not your Rees Thomas of the 1900s & '10s. Regarding the British Empire XIII game at Llanelli 19th May 1951, as far as I'm aware there wasn't an RL team in Llanelli Circa-1951, but if W.J. Jones (Llanelli) had been RU player with Llanelli RFC, I would have thought the RU/RL antagonism would mean that playing RL would prevent him from ever playing RU again, but I guess he could have been from the town of Llanelli, and was perhaps on the verge of joining an RL club… but which one? The G. Price (Halifax) is a Gareth Price, so it's likley to be the "Gareth Price who had won 11-caps while at Leeds between 1945…1948". DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Wales vs France at Toulouse 1 March 1959, G.D. Owen (Halifax), L Emmett (Blackpool), G. Lewis (Leigh), J Cheshire (Salford), M Davies (Bradford), G Jones (Salford), R Thomas (Wigan), GMJ Thorley (Halifax), PT Harris (Hull) capt., D Moses (Swinton), DG Vines (Wakefield), G Parsons (Salford), CH Winslade (Oldham). FruitMonkey (talk) 20:59, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
    • Wales vs France at Toulouse 17 February 1963, K. Coslett (St. Helens), R Glastonbury (Workington), G Lewis (Leigh), CJ Dixon (Halifax), J Freeman (Halifax), BL Jones (Leeds) 'capt.', C Evans (Leeds), SG Owen (Leigh), CH Winslade (Warrington), R Morgan (Swinton), L Fisher (Warrington), T Robbins (Bramley) DG Vines (Wakefield) FruitMonkey (talk) 23:11, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Lewis Morgan Rees (17 Jan 1910 - 21 Dec 1976), Rugby union international for Treorchy and Cardiff, joined Oldham in 1934, made his debut for the club on 25 August. Same guy. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
    • Don't think so, that's just my gut reation though. With David Harris Davies I have no link that he was a dual code, and the Whos Who of rugby union does not list him as 'going north'. Also, one of my book states that DH Davies was "...later prominent in Welsh rugby administration". FruitMonkey (talk) 22:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Good work on 'Tuss'. No he never won a full cap, as the 'Victory Internationals' were never capped. There's a mention of him here. FruitMonkey (talk) 20:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

[This] may shed some light on the situation. There appears to have been a Rugby League league in Wales in the early 1950s, teams included Aberavon, Llanelli, Bridgend, Swansea, Cardiff, Neath, etc. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Other Nationalities[edit]

Checking the Other Nationalities article, I noticed that there is a flag underneath the player stats that states the Feb 5th 1921 game against England is not included. Is there a reason for this? It was the infamous Wales XIII, but I'm sure it is still a valid 'Other Nations' match. If it's needed I have the list of players and their clubs. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 19:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd noticed that omission as well, I thought that it was just a hole in the originators reference, and I didn’t have the information to fill the gap. I don't know the history of the "infamous Wales XIII", so perhaps it's worth expanding the article to make reference to it. DynamoDegsy (talk) 21:52, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll fill the gaps tonight. As there were so few games I'd love to see a complete listing of all matches. FruitMonkey (talk) 12:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi DD, thank you for the notes about the three Scottish RL players. I'm not that knowledgable about RL, to be honest, and most of the info is second hand.

Going through the three of them, Thomas Wright (rugby) would seem to fit the post-'49 scale. Willie Welsh fits the 1933 date as well. Unlike the other two, Gordon Gray (rugby) seems not to fit the dates for ON.

It would be helpful if there were team lists for these, but I suspect they're buried in a magazine somewhere. As usual for sports, other than cricket the records are incomplete/appalling.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Jim Birch[edit]

You created an article for Jim Birch, and I have a Wales international RU player of the same name. I thought it must be the same bloke, ...but he played RL first. My James Birch, was also known as Jim Birch. English by birth and from Northampton, played in England until coming to Wales, playing in two matches in 1911. He was a prop forward. This is very coincidental, do you have any more details? FruitMonkey (talk) 12:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

It does seem a coincidence, particularly with them both being Props. Everything I know is in his article. It’s a shame that the WRU and Scrum websites don’t have a middle name or initial. Do you know whether he played for Wales whilst at Northampton, or had he moved to a Welsh club? Northampton is an unusual place for a Rugby League player to have come from, or moved to, with there being no coal mines. If he had been RL player, I would have thought the RU/RL antagonism would have prevented him from going on to play RU. If it is the same guy, i.e. born on the 30 December 1889, if he played for Great Britain RL on the 15 February 1908, or for England RL against Wales on either 20 April 1908, or 28 December 1908, he’d have only been 18, which seems very young for international prop, particularly in those days (Though Andy Farrell was only 18 years, 5 months, 7 days when he first played for Great Britain, though not at prop), but saying that even if it’s a different guy he’d have only been 21 when playing for Wales RU, the fact that his England RL game came against Wales also seems odd, so maybe it’s a coincidence and they are different guys. DynamoDegsy (talk) 21:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Johnny Duggan[edit]

Hi, do you know anything about him? I have somewhere some basic info, not enough to create an article but any extra could make it worthwhile to continue with. Please let me know. RichardLowther (talk) 14:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I've created a John "Johnny" Duggan article, so you can add your info. I'm in Norway at the moment, but when I get back to England (Wakefield), I'll add Johnny Duggan's Wakefield Trinity 'Pld T G FG P' statistics. If there are any other Wakefield RFC/Wakefield Trinity cross-over players you know of, just let me know, and I'll create an article. I assume you're associated with Wakefield RFC in some way?DynamoDegsy (talk) 07:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Cheers, I have added the bits that I have also see the talk page - would be really interested to know what happened re the reinstatement - looked on the web and can't find anything!
I was a supporter at Wakefield RFC from 1976 to it's demise and I ran the website and wrote the programme notes in the latter years. I have a large collection of programmes from 1970's onwards and notes/reports from 1901 onwards - some I am trying to get on here for info. I am currently going through these and trying to ascertain which players turned pro - not just for Trinity but other clubs - probably at least 30 players. Plus would like to see pages on some of the latter RU>RL>RU players such as Neil Summers, Simon Irving etc in time. RichardLowther (talk) 21:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I have noticed that you added the reference to him living in NZ. Do you know anymore? RichardLowther (talk) 20:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Norman Hazell the former Wakefield councillor had written to the Wakefield Express about celebrating the 50th anniversary of Wakefield Trinity’s 1960 Challenge Cup win over Wigan, so I got in contact with him. I asked him who he was still in contact with, and he mentioned Johnny Duggan, and that he had emigrated to New Zealand... not information that I could exactly reference, but I thought it worth adding to his article. Do you know if there are any plans to reconstitute Wakefield RFC as part of the development of the new Wakefield Community Stadium? DynamoDegsy (talk) 20:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I will have a word with Norman. I have been compiling an e-newsletter showcasing some of my Wakefield memorabilia and plan to feature JD in it at some time - if you want a copy, email at, I have a column called 'lost to league' featuring the players that crossed over from Wakefield RFC to RL.

As for reformation, I doubt it. I would love to see it happen, but I don't think there is the will or money to do it. RichardLowther (talk) 16:38, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I mentioned the reformation to Wakefield Trinity Wildcats' General Manager Francis Stephenson, I didn't get a response :o( but I would have thought that as a Community Stadium, the more sports that the new Stadium accommodates, the better... I wonder whether a councillor with Wakefield RFC/Wakefield Trinity Wildcats links might have some idea of what sports are to be accommodate. Does Norman Hazel have Wakefield RFC links?. I'll forward my email address for your e-newsletter. DynamoDegsy (talk) 17:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Norman used to watch Wakefield one week, Sandal the other. He now receives my newsletter.He's replied about JD, but can't provide much more info. I have my views on the 'community' aspect of the stadium, and I don't see much community use other than for Trinity! RichardLowther (talk) 21:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


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Glyn Prosser[edit]

Yes, Dai and Glyn were brothers, though I have Glyn moving to Huddersfield RLFC in late 1935. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Dai joined York first, making his debut on 15 September 1934. No info yet on the guys who played for Monmouthshire before switching to League. It does look like them though. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:28, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

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You are a god. I've been looking for that for a while, it just makes things look far better. FruitMonkey (talk) 11:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

George Shepherd[edit]

Hi, you created the the article Gary Shepherd but moved it to George Shepherd. Throughout the article he is referred to as Gary Shepherd. The only ref I can find on the web is here and that uses Gary Shepherd. Is it George Shepherd known as Gary, or something else? Tassedethe (talk) 08:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Degsy, Re Pat Quinn. I did the changes that you mentioned in the infobox, basically because of his Australian career. This is very confusing, I agree. I believe you when you say a Pat Quinn played Challenge Cup in 1957.nd I also agree with you about the big gap in his Sydney career.My only question is are the two Pat Quinn's the same person? I have read that the Pat Quinn that played in the Challenge Cup came from a Rugby Union background, which is very confusing indeed. Best wishes mate Vox3000

Iorwerth Evans[edit]

I think this is a merger of two players. Iorweth Evans (1908-1985) for whom I have no record at Cardiff (though an I. Evans did represent Cardiff for just 6 games between 1931 and 1932), he did represent Bedford Athletic and London Welsh. Thomas Iorwerth Jones (1903-1983), did represent Llanelli before joining Leeds; playing his first game for them on 13 February 1932. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Iorrie Isaacs (1910-1966) was a Cardiff and Pontypridd player who switched to Leeds RLFC in 1933.

Billy Moore[edit]

That's a nasty little article, I must have been on an off-day when I put that together. No, you are correct, he was a hornets player. I've updated parts of the article. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

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Hugh Lloyd-Davies[edit]

Appears to be the same guy. R.H. Lloyd-Davies who played as full-back for Cambridge University, scoring with a dropped goal in each half, the first on twenty minutes, the second from forty yards out. The Lloyd-Davies from Cambridge is listed as having come from Ammanford Grammar. Though I should mention that my Varsity book does not mention him as Hugh, just R.H., there's always a chance they were from a sporting family. FruitMonkey (talk) 20:14, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

William Arnold Bowen/William 'Billy' E. Bowen[edit]

Sorry Degsy, I'm drawing a blank in this one. The books I have do not mention any family links, including the books which normally link relations. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

James brother[edit]

These two didn't do things by half. It appears they went North and were paid to play for the Northern club. I think the word professional should be removed when describing Broughton in 1892. FruitMonkey (talk)

The James' left Swansea for Broughton in 1893, for supposed jobs as warehousemen for £2 a week and free cigars, train fare and 4 star hotel accomodation, after they are said to have demanded 30 shillings a week from Swansea. They returned in 1899 to play for Wales, after Swansea begged the RFU for their reinstatement; which was given by Rowland Hill. 12 days after their final Wales international, they and their entire family left for Broughton. This time for a sign-on fee of £200 and a promise of £2 a match, plus they got a house each.FruitMonkey (talk) 21:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Bert Jones[edit]

No he was a Llanelli boy. My book states 13 matches for St Helens,but I would stick with the 14. Seemed to do nothing more after his return. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


Better known as the 'Kayaks', Cardiff International Athletic Club have been around for some time, their most famous son being Billy Boston. FruitMonkey (talk) 16:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

George Thomas[edit]

We have errors. This is the first one. Newport have muddled their players up. I have seen this before, but there are different birth and death dates, plus he would have been 49 playing for GB. I'm beginning to believe he is a Pontypool player. What were the Worrington cites talking about when they worked? FruitMonkey (talk) 13:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Emlyn Jenkins[edit]

"Emlyn Jenkins, a brilliant scrum half from Treorchy who was tried also (and succeeded) at outside half, playing sixteen consecutive first team games before turning professional much to the regret of his club and his Rhondda followers" FruitMonkey (talk) 16:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Dai Prosser / Arthur Daniels / Glyn Moses[edit]

I have Dai Prosser listed at Glynneath, Neath and Swansea at club level, and Glamorgan at county level. Arthur Daniels, I have no info on, there are six named Llanelli players that went North between 1945 and 1947, Les Thomas, Emlyn(Elwyn?) Gwyther, Bryn Llewellyn, Gwylfa Jones and Hagan Evans. Doesn't mean that Daniels did not play for Llanelli though. Nothing on Glyn Moses either sorry. FruitMonkey (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I may have something on Moses, a book I saw in the library had an entire page on Moses (I think), I'll have another look this week. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:05, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

David Galloway[edit]

I have found out that Galloway's (Treherbert RLFC) first name was David, and then I came across this (lot 120). Do you have any info as to which club he joined, Hull or Halifax? Ta FruitMonkey (talk) 21:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Howell Francis[edit]

It's nothing we can use on Wikipedia, but it's enough to link them. His Great Grandson states they are one and the same here. FruitMonkey (talk) 15:53, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

T.C. Lloyd[edit]

Strange as it is 'T C' Lloyd of Glynneath is Thomas John Lloyd. I don't know where the C came from, but it was part of his nickname. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

The Who's Who of Welsh rugby inernationals states: LLOYD, Thomas John: 'T C' Lloyd was a member of the 'Terrible Eight'. After working as a collier he became a bookmaker.
I think the T and the C were part of his nickname.FruitMonkey (talk) 11:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Rees Thomas[edit]

Thomas left Pontypool for Warrington RLFC making his debut against Wigan on 5 October 1912. Maybe the book mistook Pontypridd for Pontypool. FruitMonkey (talk) 07:02, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I think Gone North has made an error as books like 'Fields of Praise' have him playing in every international from 1909 to 1913 as a Pontypool player. FruitMonkey (talk) 11:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Though there must be an error in one of my books too as if he debuted for Warrington in 1912, how did he play a union international in 1913. That's strange. FruitMonkey (talk) 11:58, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Watcyn Thomas[edit]

Hold fire on Thomas, although there is nothing in Who's Who, I think I may have a biography of Watcyn Thomas. Gallacher is Ian Stuart Gallacher who played for Llanelli, Felinfoel, Barbarians and Wales. One cap in 1970s. He is a dual code after joining Bradford and winning 4 RL caps. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:53, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Can't seem to find anything about Watcyn Thomas playing for Felinfoel in his biography. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Leonard Smith (rugby league)[edit]

Hi DynamoDegsy, Sorry it took so long to respond on your comment re: Len Smith. First of all, thanks for creating the article: My mother, Len's daughter, noticed it a few weeks ago and was quite delighted to find her father's memory on Wikipedia. I must confess deep ignorance about his rugby career (and, in truth, the sport in general), unfortunately, but some of my older cousins may be better able to answer your questions about the position he played and his career outside of Hunslet. I'll do some digging and get back to you. Nephtes (talk) 12:11, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. Sadly no one I've spoken to in the family has been able to give me any further information on Len's career. However, we do have two framed newspaper clippings, one of which is a picture of him scoring the winning try in what I assume must be the 1933-34 Challenge Cup final over Widnes. Would you be interested in a scan? - Nephtes (talk) 16:29, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia's image tags can be a hassle, yes; I had the current Len Smith photo deleted because I forgot the copyright info. I'll have to check carefully to see if the Challenge Cup newspaper photo fits one of the public domain cases. Certainly seems like it ought to be old enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nephtes (talkcontribs) 16:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Books published by Books LLC[edit]

Hi DynamoDegsy, I saw that you added books published by "Books LLC" to several articles. Unfortunately, books published by that company are just compilations of articles copied from Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Abc#Books, LLC). So they aren't valid references and should not be used in articles per WP:CIRCULAR. Regards, --Kam Solusar (talk) 18:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

John Lendill[edit]


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Mick Shoebottom[edit]

Hi Degsy, thank you for the update on Mick's injury. I remember it as I was at that match but was unable to recall what happened as I was probably only aged about 12 or 13 at the time. I'm so glad he made an almost full recovery. He was a great utility player. A big fella as well. I remember he used to work for Bison's cement in Meanwood. Cheers mate... Chilkoot (talk) 18:29, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Darrel Shelford[edit]

I've added some extra info, it may need reformatting better but it's late and I am tired! I think the page name needs changing too. There is little agreement on the web or printed matter whether it is Darrall or Darrel. I went for the later as that seems to the name on the latest news articles I can find. RichardLowther (talk) 22:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Dai Davies[edit]

I am trying to put together an article on Dai Davies (footballer born 1880); the Who's Who of Welsh International Soccer Players lists him as "David (Dai) Davies" (1880-1944) and says that he first played Rugby Union for Llanelli before switching to Rugby League with Swinton in 1898 where he won a Rugby League Challenge Cup medal in 1900. In 1902 he switched again, this time to Association Football, joining Bolton Wanderers (as a goalkeeper), appearing in the 1904 FA Cup Final. He also won three caps for Wales.

In 1910, he switched back to Rugby Union with Swinton and, with his brother Dan (also a Swinton player), won an international cap for Wales against England in October 1910. He finished his career with Leigh in 1913.

You created an article on Daniel Davies (rugby league) who I assume is the brother; you also created the article on David Davies (rugby league) who appears to be a different player although he also was with Swinton in 1910.

The List of Wales national rugby league team players include two other Dai Davies, but these both came later, but not this one. Likewise, he is not mentioned at either The Rugby League project database nor at the Wales Rugby League player database.

There are two mentions of him on the web, here and here.

Any help or pointers you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the very helpful replies, although I am still rather confused. This article, from the Swinton supporters website, gives a biography which only refers to his cap against England on 10th December 1910, whilst the other article states "In 1910, he made his Wales RL debut against England at Coventry". This is not consistent with the David Davies (rugby league) article which gives a Wales career from 1908 to 1913, which period covers his time at both Merthyr Tydfil and Oldham. Very curious. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the latest message - I await the next one which will hopefully make everything clear. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi - sorry to bother you again, but were you able to find out any more? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:43, 20 November 2010 (UTC) Thanks for the article - I have expanded the soccer sections. I'd like to put the article up for DYK; the ideal hooks would be that he was the only footballer to play both international association football (soccer), and international rugby league, or that he is the only person to have appeared in both the rugby league Challenge Cup final, and the association football (soccer) FA Cup Final, but to do that we would need to find a citation that says precisely that. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I have now put it up for DYK here with the hook: "DYK .... that Welshman, Dai Davies is the only person to have appeared in both the rugby league Challenge Cup final, and the association football (soccer) FA Cup Final?" Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 17:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I guess he should also be listed on the List of players who have converted from one football code to another but under which heading? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 08:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. It's interesting to see that Sutcliffe also played for Bolton Wanderers as a goalkeeper and played in an FA Cup Final (in 1894). Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Inserting Images[edit]

I went through the deletion process myself, but the best actions to take are:

  • 1. Your image is of someone who is alive. I don't bother, unless it is from the US Library it will be an issue.
  • 2. Your image is fairly modern but the person has died (e.g. David Marques or Orig Williams) then use the same template I have done, but only link it to the one article.
  • 3. The image is pre-1923. Then use the {{us-old}} Lempriere appears to be pre 1923, so use it.

Which ones have been deleted for you? FruitMonkey (talk) 22:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Like I said before, fair use rationale is not really my bag, but hopefully the template added will suffice. Cheers. FruitMonkey (talk) 13:26, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Dai Davies (footballer born 1880)[edit]

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Fred Hughes[edit]

Hi, can you confirm from your sources whether Fred Hughes (who I believe is the father of Emlyn Hughes) was a Great Britain intl' or not. Looking at various sources from Emlyn's obituary there is some confusion. I wonder if he only played internationally for Wales, went on the 1946 GB tour of Australia, but only played in non-test matches? See [4] [5] [6] [7]. Also, can you confirm whether Emlyn's brother and uncle were notable as rugby players. Is Eric Hughes his brother? Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 15:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

According to, Emlyn Hughes' father was Emlyn Hughes, but the sources you identify that provide a name for Emlyn Hughes' father, state him as being named Fred Hughes, so I think might be wrong, and that 'old' Emlyn Hughes, is actually Emlyn Hughes' uncle. The only Hughes to haved played for Great Britain (RL) in Test Matches is Eric Hughes, so if Fred was one of 'The Indomitables', he must have played in the tour matches against club, county, and states, and not the Test Matches. As yet, I can't find anything stating that Eric Hughes was Emlyn's brother. There are five Hughes' who have played for Wales (RL); Adam Hughes, E. Hughes, Frederick "Fred" Hughes, Gomer Hughes, and Stefan Hughes, I'm wondering whether E. Hughes might be 'old' Emlyn Hughes. I shall keep digging and let you know if I turn anything up. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I have responded at my talk page - assume you will watch that. Eldumpo (talk) 13:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Template:Cook Islands squad 2000 Rugby League World Cup[edit]

Hey DynamoDegsy, I see you recently added Jason Pekepo and Tai Walter to the template. As I understand it they were both squad members who didn't play matches at the World Cup. This seems to create some problems as neither seem to be notable for their own articles, having never played in international matches. Furthermore, WP:REDLINKS says that redlinks should only be left for notable articles. This seems to indicate that the names should be either removed from the template or de-linked so they are just plain text.

Do you have any thoughts or preference about the best way to sort it out? Cheers 00:21, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

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To answer your question there are pay sites like and which are good but can be expensive. I got most of my info from www.ancestry this time. is free but not as complete as the others. For an example go to and type Emery as a surname, Wyndham as a first name. Cheers. Topcardi (talk)

Featherstone Rovers[edit]

I'm not sure that leaving messages for every single editor that has ever contributed anything to the Featherstone Rovers article is particularly helpful, and feels a bit spammy. My only contributions to that were a bit of formatting, so I'm afraid have no idea about the player you're seeking info on. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 13:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Ditto. Also, please consider archiving your talk page, as it is very long. Number 57 14:09, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
No idea about the rugby club but I think if I ask at a rugby league forum somebody might know.GordyB (talk) 22:10, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Not my area, but it seems there was a Featherstone rugby team in the 1890s - it's mention here. They mention that there were three Yorkshire division in the early 1890s, so I guess they played in one of the lower ones. Warofdreams talk 09:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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Fred Perrett[edit]

The Who's who of Welsh International Rugby players states that Perrett joined Leeds RLFC, making his debut on 6 September 1913. Not sure about when he first played for Hull. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


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John Lawrence Hickson/John Laurence Hickson[edit]

How interesting that both articles were done in the same month. Thanks for highlighting the duplication. I will be happy to merge the articles.Kwib (talk) 14:58, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Robert Sandilands Frowd Walker[edit]

Hi - I am currently trying to put together an article on R.S.F. Walker, who played football for Scotland in the pseudo-internationals of 1870-72. The inscription on his statue (see[8]) says that he was selected for Scotland v England at Rugby in 1873. Can you shed any light on this? Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 17:17, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the incredibly helpful reply and for the time you must have spent on this. I'll put the article together over the next few days, and for now I'll leave out the rugby bit (perhaps I'll add a note on the talk page) until someone can find out more. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 22:46, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Entry about John Flynn (rugby league)[edit]

Hi, I found the article about John Flynn (rugby league) (who played for Broughton Rangers before the first world war) on wikipedia and it seems that you are the user who created the article. I would be interested to know if you have any more information regarding his career since he is my great, great uncle. The england cap the wikipedia entry mentions is in the posession of my mother. I hope you can provide some more information about his career since we don't know much. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anyamdg (talkcontribs) 06:14, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Anyamdg, unfortunately I have very little information about your great-great uncle. However, I've just added a little more detail to the John Flynn (rugby league) article. As he was in the England team against New Zealand on 11 January 1908, it is "likely" he was in the Broughton Rangers team against New Zealand on 19 October 1907. He didn't make the Great Britain team, as this consisted of 7-English, 5-Welsh (including his club teammate George Ruddick), and 1-Scottish (his club teammate Andrew Hogg) footballer. As Broughton Rangers won all but one of their six honours between 1896 and 1911, it is "likley" he will have contibuted to at least some of these, the Challenge Cup wins of 1901–02, and 1910–11, are likley to be the easiest to research. I shall look though my reference books, and see if I can find anymore information. Do you have any information regarding, e.g. full name, year of birth or death, position played, other clubs played for, etc. as any clue would help. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:02, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Percy Williams[edit]

You wouldn't happen to have any information on Percy Williams (rugby league) would you? Regards Mattlore (talk) 22:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

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New book[edit]

You may have noticed from my recent hackings at James Valentine (rugby union) that I have a new book in my arsenal, a who's who of English rugby internationals. If you have any other articles where you are unsure if the player turned pro in 1896 then drop me a line and I'll try to see if I can answer your query. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 11:42, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Here's one for the new book… George Marsden (rugby) won 3-caps for England (RU) in 1900, i.e. after the schism, and he also won a cap for England (RL) in 1905 whilst playing for Bradford (now Bradford Park Avenue A.F.C.), but which club was he at when he won his England (RU) caps? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Show off =;oD Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
The wonder of books. Apart from not being able to spell Fylde. FruitMonkey (talk) 10:27, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Another one for you… where was Harry Bedford playing his club rugby when winning his England caps of 1889 and 1890? I have a Batley versus Morley R.F.C. conflict. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I have no information of him switching to League. He was Morley for all three of his caps, so I think he was Batley first then Morley. FruitMonkey (talk) 14:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Repeated links[edit]

Hi there, I don't know if you've got a script running but I've noticed you adding some unnecessary repeated links in text. See WP:OVERLINK if you need to read up on when and when not to add links. Brad78 (talk)

Fair enough about updating redirects, but in some cases you've corrected a redirect where no link existed in the first place and incorrectly or unncessarily changed the text. Brad78 (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I only noticed one or two on my watchlist and changed them and noticed you were doing similar on other articles though not all, that's why I wondered if you have a slightly errant script running. By the way, there's actually no need to correct redirects, and there's a policy somewhere or other which suggests it's actually incorrect so simply change the links. Brad78 (talk) 23:06, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


Hi Dynamo, I've just seen all the work you've been doing with editing piped links (a lot!). With the Crusaders ones though, I noticed a few edits where you have changed pre-2010 articles to show just 'Crusaders' when their name was 'Celtic Crusaders' at the time. When a club changes its name, there's no need to remove the old one. It's probably better to keep it. LunarLander // talk // 19:23, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


Hey, first of all, thanks for all the work you've been doing with the redirects! However, with the Hull FC -> Hull changes, in some cases might it be better to leave the text as Hull FC to distinguish the club from Hull KR? Obviously im Australasian based though so you might have an alternative view? Mattlore (talk) 20:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

My reasoning was that because of Hull F.C./Hull FC's historical lack of a "RL", or even "R" prefix to the "F.C."/"FC" to indicate rugby league, and including just the "F.C."/"FC" to Hull might infer an assocation football club, that might lead to confusion with the football club Hull City F.C./Hull City FC, I thought this would be more confusing than would be caused by the similarity of Hull to Hull Kingston Rovers/Hull KR. What do you think? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 21:54, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Hull and Rovers/Hull KR is a fine way to distinguish them. It's similar to Dundee (FC) and Dundee United. Use of 'Hull FC' has become more common but use of Hull only shouldn't lead to confusion about which one of the two is being referred to. LunarLander // talk // 21:45, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I think generally that makes sense, but you might need to watch out for some special cases: e.g. if the player has played for both FC and KR it might pay to leave the FC in? Not sure how your script works though and if that's do-able. Mattlore (talk) 21:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Script, script... what script this is all manual slog!!! Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 22:19, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Hehe, fair enough. wow, that's an even more impressive effort! Mattlore (talk) 22:21, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Talking of scripts, would you know how one would go about writing a script to change, e.g. [[Rugby league positions#Prop|Prop]] to {{rlp|PR}}? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 06:37, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, not my area of expertise. The only little bit of wiki-related code I know is template related. Mattlore (talk) 08:33, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


Hello. Noticed you changing the link to Bradford PA at Jeff Hall (footballer). You may want to save yourself a bit of work, and have a look at WP:NOTBROKEN, which says there's no need to fix redirected links unless they're actually broken. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:31, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Struway2, although not absolutely necessary, the process of fixing redirected links has identified ambiguous links to, e.g. Bradford F.C., which must be either Bradford Park Avenue A.F.C. or Bradford City A.F.C., some of which I've managed to correct, so it's not been completely futile. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:03, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Fixing ambiguous or incorrect links is indeed a very constructive thing to do, please keep up the good work. All I was saying is there's no need to change links that may not point to the exact current name of the article but aren't ambiguous and do (albeit indirectly) point to the correct place. Sorry if I wasn't making myself clear. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Transfer fees[edit]

You would be right, all the money would go to the player. If the clubs took the money then they would be in breech of amateur rules and would be fined or punished by the Union. The money was meant to be a golden handshake to help the player and his family relocate to the North. Also my book fails you on Mr C Hall. It doesn't even give a first name. FruitMonkey (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Nice update to Rowe Harding. The article supporting the cite is pretty interesting too. I was particularly amused to see under 'Black Moments', "Bonnie Tyler leads choral singing at Cup final". I think she did the same injustice to the Reading Festival a few years earlier. FruitMonkey (talk) 07:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Football v Footballer[edit]

  • I see that you are changing internal links in many articles from Footballer to Footballer. I am wondering why as they both have the same target? I'd also urge you to use a edit summary. Regards Paste Let’s have a chat. 13:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Dick Thomas[edit]

Unsure, but I think probably unlikely. The match he played for Wales XIII was on 19th Jan 1909, and he then would have played another union international against Scotland on 6th Feb. Even if that was missed at the time, I'm sure sporting historians would have made the connections that he broke the code. No mention in my books either. FruitMonkey (talk) 12:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Transfer Fees[edit]

I'll leave it for you to format, but thought this would interest you, I've paraphrased; The first overseas transfer occured in 1911 when Riki Papakura was cleared to play for Warrington and the 20 pounds fee was forwarded to the Rotorua sub-league.from Coffey, John. Canterbury XIII, Christchurch, 1987. p.16. Mattlore (talk) 07:43, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

To be clear, that probably means NZ-> Overseas not first international transfer anywhere - but who knows! Previously all NZ players going to English/Australian clubs had been as individuals because there wasn't an administrative body to pay fees to. Mattlore (talk) 07:54, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
  • The Canberra Raiders paid $37,200 for Brent Todd in 1986. From Coffey, p.214. Mattlore (talk) 08:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Rupert Edward Inglis[edit]

I came across this rugby player when "researching" his father John Eardley Wilmot Inglis, who was a hero at Lucknow and another son John Inglis (cricketer, born 1853). There are several other eminent members of this family, some with Wikipedia articles. Can you point me in the right direction so that I can also create an article on Rupert, who was killed in WW1. Thanks for any help. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Sam Houghton[edit]

OK, that's Houghton covered, and I updated Bevan a few days ago too. Penydarran / College Park is more of an issue. I need to get back to the library to dig out the book I first used to see why I kept referencing it as College Park. Give me a few days on it. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 11:31, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Wick Powell[edit]

Robert Gate's "Gone North" has Wick Powell playing for Rochdale Hornets, do you have any other details of this? The reason I ask is there appears to be a Rochdale Hornets' player named W. Powell who played for Other Nationalities, the article states circa-1921 which is too early for Wick Powell, but I'm not sure how reliable that date is. It just seems unusual for there to have been two Welshmen at Rochdale Hornets named W. Powell. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, there are two Wales rugby union internationals called Wick Powell. Wick Powell stayed an amateur throught his life, but Wickham James "Wick" Powell who picked up four caps in the 1920 Five Nations Championship, running in two tries, captaining Cardiff for 1919/20, switched to Rochdale in 1920, playing his first match on 4 Septemebr 1922. He appears to have returned to Cardiff in 1922 to set up as a licensee. All links up.FruitMonkey (talk) 18:26, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Other Nationalities[edit]

I believe I got the information from RUGBY LEAGUE MISCELLANY published in 2009 or 2010. Best of luck. Poiuytre (talk) 15:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

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William Walton (rugby league) = William Walton (rugby union)?[edit]

I'm wondering whether William Walton (rugby league) is actually the same chap as William Walton (rugby union). They're certainly in the same era, and William Walton (rugby union) played for England in 1894 just before the 1895 schism. Would you have any information? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC) has William Walton's death as 1 June 1940 in Wakefield, so I believe it must be the same chap. But if you have any further information, it'd be greatly appreciated. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:46, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Yep, same guy. Interestinglty enough it states he was a licensee who played RU for Castleford and Yorkshire. He switched to Wakefield in 1895, scoring their first try under Northern Union ruleson 21 Sep 1895 in a 15-9 win over Belle Vue. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Can you please check something for me? I don't believe the mention of "Belle Vue" can mean Belle Vue Rangers, as they were known as Broughton Rangers until the 1945-46 season. I'm wondering if the reference actually means Belle Vue Stadium. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry my goof, it should be 'over Wigan at Belle Vue'. FruitMonkey (talk) 13:53, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Huddersfield Giants Hall of Fame[edit]

I can't find a single source for the Template:Huddersfield Giants Hall of Fame Inductees on the internet. Can you?--Jeff79 (talk) 04:30, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jeff79, I sourced the template from Page-6 of Fartowner - A Celebratory look at 25 years of Huddersfield Rugby League Club Players Association by David Gronow (grandson of Benjamin Gronow) & Mick Rhodes, the Hall of Fame is housed in the Galpharm Stadium. I've added a quoted-out reference at the head of the template. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Brian Nordgren[edit]

Hi DynamoD, do you have any info on Brian Nordgren? Played for Ponsonby+Auckland before transferring to Wigan in 1945 with Ces Mountford and played for Other Nationalities against France. Cheers, Mattlore (talk) 07:33, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Topic - Airblue[edit]

Thanks for your information on this article, but we must do it simple in order to read and understand. I did some edits and it is currently good. Thanks for your support --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 21:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


Why are you "fixing" links to owl monkey and such? The redirects seem to be OK. Dicklyon (talk) 07:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I realise the redirects work, but I believe it creates a shabby user experience when having clicked on a link from another Wikipedia article, a user gets, e.g. (Redirected from owl monkey) message. Fair enough, if a user types in, e.g. "owl monkey" into the search dialogue, and they are then redirected to "night monkey", then that's okay, but as there are already 9-redirects for one type of monkey, all of which can be used by cut 'n' pasting ad infinitum, I believe using the actual article name promotes more elegant user experience. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 07:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Please don't do that. WP:NOTBROKEN, as you've been told before. Dicklyon (talk) 15:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

WE ‘Billy’ Williams[edit]

I can't remember if I've asked this question before, but if I didn't, I meant to... In the Welsh stars still had a rugby ball in wartime, there's mention of a WE ‘Billy’ Williams, would you have any details on this chap? As a Billy, I assume the the 'W' of the 'WE' stands for William... nothing gets past me!!! Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC) Ooh, I've just had a cheeky look in your archive... a little forward of me I know, as we hardly know each other... and I have asked this question before, but over a year later and you're yet to respond!!!

"In the Welsh stars still had a rugby ball in wartime article at WalesOnline, there's mention of a WE ‘Billy’ Williams defecting to the 13-a-side game, I don't believe he's; William Edward Osborne Williams, William Henry "Buller" Williams, Billy Williams, nor William "Billy" Arthur Williams. Any idea who he might be, and what club(s) he played for? Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)"
Hmmmm, how about Billy Williams? FruitMonkey (talk) 09:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look at that page at lunchtime, I can't get onto sports related sites during works' hours... they actually expect me to work during works' hours... the very cheek of it. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:14, 5 August 2011 (UTC) That looks like the fella, but I have a couple of queries; first, how did manage to find him so quickly? The blackandambers website doesn't seem that easy to search!!! and second, the 'Welsh stars still had a rugby ball in wartime' page infers that he had already defected to rugby league, but the blackandambers website has him at Newport until 1947, and the 'Victory International' matches took place between December 1945 and April 1946, so wouldn't he have still been a rugby union player at that time? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:42, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

If a player switched to league, the chances are they came from Swansea, Newport, Cardiff or Llanelli, therefore I have the black and ambers site on my favourites here and books for the other three. If the player was with the likes of Neath or a Valleys club I hit problems. Luckily, in places such as the Rhondda, you got frog marched to the train station if you had a Yorkshire accent so that forced the scouts to the major cities. I have W. E. "Billy" Williams playing for Newport against the Kiwis on 29 December 1945 and for Monmouthshire against the Kiwis on 27 February 1946. I think the report is incorrect in stating they had already switched. FruitMonkey (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

"frog marched to the train station", is that what's meant by ♫We'll keep a welcome in the hillside, We'll keep a welcome in the Vales♫ ?!?!. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Does this help? Programme scan RichardLowther (talk) 21:44, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


Hi, sorry for not replying sooner – but I’m a bit new at the Wiki write/edit and didn’t realise the “talk” tab was live. Looking at your output, you look as though you’ve been a bit busy.

Anyway, yes, I’m interested in R L history Have been interested in the game since I saw Billy Stott, on the Beverley Beers lorry, in Wood St (or could it have been the Bull Ring) lift the challenge cup trophy Unfortunately shortly after that my father, who worked for P&B was transferred ‘up North’ to Darlington, where RL is an “unknown word”. Consequently, for the rest of my life, it’s been a bit difficult getting hold of any info on the game. Even our newspapers have different sports Pages from yours. So the “from Wakefield” bit meant born there. Once I’d finished adding pages for the “missing” defunct clubs, I had thought of :-

  • a) Adding the wartime seasons/leagues – but I can’t find many details on the September 1918 to Jan/Feb 1919 period, when a wartime league commenced but never finished and no table was produced - when a peacetime league began and ran from Feb to summer
  • b) Details of the challenge cup competitions, not just the final – but there’s a great scarcity of details
  • c) Disappearing clubs and club names – like
  • i) Salford (bankrupt and new club Salford (1914) Ltd was formed)
  • ii) Bradford Northern (1968) Ltd who took over 6 months after Bradford dropped out of the league midway through the season
  • iii) Huddersfield Barracudas
  • iv) And many more
Not forgetting Wakefield Trinity recently! RichardLowther (talk) 21:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

It may be a bit difficult working together but I’d certainly be willing to assist and/or listed Alan Mountain “from Wakefield” Alanfromwakefield (talk) 18:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

If you can remember Billy Stott then you must be a little older than me, were you born in the 1930s? I was named Derek back in 1964 in reference to Derek Turner, who I coincidently called 'round to see last week, to ask him, his wife and son (Darren) to check through his Wikipedia article. There's a sentence on disappearing clubs and club names in the articles Salford City Reds#20th century, Huddersfield Giants#Decline and revival, and Bradford Bulls#Bradford Northern: 1907-1963, but an expansion wouldn't go a miss. By the way, who are/were P&B? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 07:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Only just – in 1939 – and Baptised “the day war broke out” – I got the blame for that as well

P&B was Paton and Baldwins – with the mills at Thornes and The Rutland Mill (now the Hepworth ??) built (apparently) on the site on which the Duke of Rutland fell during the War of the Roses – which I don’t remember

Thanks for info on the “deceased” clubs, it matches my scribbled noted from years ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanfromwakefield (talkcontribs) 08:48, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Coats PLC merged with Patons and also later took over Jaegar If memory serves me right, Jaegar had a shop within a shop in Darlington’s “Binns” (later Houser of Fraser) department store But enough of that Sorry don’t think I can help on other Nationalities, except we went to a match at Odsal in the 1970’s to see Other Nationalities v New Zealand?? together with another 124 people. At half time my cousin went to the Gents and asked us if we would keep his place on the crash barrier, talk about peas rattling in a tin can !!! It wasn’t many years earlier when I’d watched Wakefield and Featherstone play there in front of 75,000 + (stood on the ash ground behind the goal and we All, en masse, slithered forward when the crowd moved. Those were the days. Health and safety wheer were you ?

County rugby – I have the Rothmans yearbooks 1990-91 & 91-92 and John Player yearbooks 1974-75 & 75-76 which has fixtures, venues, teams etc. and gives title winners from each year Lancs 34, Yorks 24, Cumbria 16, Cheshire 1 and Undecided (glad I don’t live there) 2 The usual stuff, which I’m sure you’ll have If you haven’t I’ll gladly scan and e-mail them to you

Somewhere I’ve also got the Daily Worker Football yearbook 1947-48 with a quite good section on rugby league, but I can’t find it. Alanfromwakefield (talk) 13:07, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm supposed to have answered you and sent this, but it appears to have "disappeared" Coats PLC merged with Patons and also later took over Jaegar If memory serves me right, Jaegar had a shop within a shop in Darlington’s “Binns” (later Houser of Fraser) department store But enough of that Sorry don’t think I can help on other Nationalities, except we went to a match at Odsal in the 1970’s to see Other Nationalities v New Zealand?? together with another 124 people. At half time my cousin went to the Gents and asked us if we would keep his place on the crash barrier, talk about peas rattling in a tin can !!! It wasn’t many years earlier when I’d watched Wakefield and Featherstone play there in front of 75,000 + (stood on the ash ground behind the goal and we All, en masse, slithered forward when the crowd moved. Those were the days. Health and safety where were you ?

County rugby – I have the Rothmans yearbooks 1990-91 & 91-92 and John Player yearbooks 1974-75 & 75-76 which has fixtures, venues, teams etc. and gives title winners from each year Lancs 34, Yorks 24, Cumbria 16, Cheshire 1 and Undecided (glad I don’t live there) 2 The usual stuff, which I’m sure you’ll have If you haven’t I’ll gladly scan and e-mail them to you

Somewhere I’ve also got the Daily Worker Football yearbook 1947-48 with a quite good section on rugby league, but I can’t find it. Alanfromwakefield (talk) 09:36, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Dai Fitzgerald[edit]

To Quote the Who's Who of Welsh rugby, "Dai Fitzgerald was an agent for a coal company before working as a storeman. He joined the Leigh club in 1895, shortly before the schism, which led to the founding of the Northern League. In February 1896 he joined Batley..." Can't get more clear then that. Interesting play by the way, though unsurprising it fails to tour further south. FruitMonkey (talk) 16:51, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Bradford Dungeon[edit]

Hi. You're absolutely right. I should not have retracted my original request for deletion. I've restored it so feel free to add a comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bradford Dungeon (fan made). Best, Pichpich (talk) 14:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

James Valentine (rugby)[edit]

Sorry, no further light on this one. I can confirm that Maule does state 61 tries, but I have no further books that back up this information or challenge it. FruitMonkey (talk) 19:26, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Brian Kinsey[edit]

Hi Derek, have you anything knowledge of Brian Kinsey, Featherstone Rovers 1957 - where did he go to play after leaving Rovers, if anywhere? Thanks RichardLowther (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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Rugby player page moves.[edit]

Degsy, Where is the consensus for the mass page moves? This has been discussed in the past and no consensus reached, so why the moves now? I think it would be better to discuss this at WP:RU before continuing. noq (talk) 15:02, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh and please do not move pages by cutting and pasting content from one page into another. This should not be done as it loses the history. noq (talk) 15:09, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


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Henry Wigglesworth[edit]

Not much on this one I'm afraid. The only additional information I have on the player was that while a unionist, he also played county for Yorkshire, representing them six times, making his debut against Northumberland. Nothing about his league career at all. Regards FruitMonkey (talk) 17:03, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

William Evans (rugby, born 1883)[edit]

Hi, I was wondering why you moved this article to the present title. Looking at the category of Welsh internationals, I see both formats are used, but it seemed there were more in the original format of this article i.e. with 'player' Has there been some discussion on this? Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 17:07, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the note and link to discussion. As you suggest, there was not really consensus on this, so I have moved it back. I think when you need the year disambig as in this case, it looks a bit odd to just say rugby and then have a comma. If you're using a birth year it seems intuitive to add 'player'. On another topic, thanks for adding text to Fred Hughes, as per talk post #65 above. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 12:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

St. David School[edit]

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Hi! About this edit

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George Bennett[edit]

Struggling Degsy, he didn't play for any of the big four. My books all draw a blank; I do have some Bennetts playing for Newport, Llanelli and Cardiff but all during the wrong period. To be honest if you weren't playing for one of those clubs you didn't get much chance playing for Wales no matter what your skin colour, especially at the glory positions at half-back, fullback or wings. I'm not sure where to look next, I'm not confident that he would come from a valley's club as the communities there before the war were so white. There's London Welsh, or maybe one of the dock teams such as Penarth or Pill Harriers, they did get players into the national team. I'll keep my eyes peeled for him. FruitMonkey (talk) 20:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't help much. If he was good enough to break into the national team he wouldn't be playing for a club in the north of Wales, as the selectors never went to the north to watch players. For example, by 1975 Cardiff had not once played Welshpool, Talgarth, Brecon (the header northern delights of Brecon), a team from Anglesey or even a Wrexham club. He would need to be playing down south to get recognised. Couldn't find anything in my London Welsh book either. FruitMonkey (talk) 19:12, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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Section headings in RL Bios[edit]

Without a doubt, this is an excellent contribution. I just think the section headings are not necessary.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 10:30, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Death date and age template[edit]

Hi. Can you please stop adding the death date and age template (and other related templates) to the lifespan brackets of biographical articles? Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Dates of birth and death, age calculation is for infoboxes, not the main body of the article. Also, on a related note, can you please also stop tacking on places of birth into awkward parts of the prose? Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Opening paragraph, "Birth and death places should be mentioned in the body if known, and in the lead if they are relevant to the person's notability." Since none of these places are relevant to the individual's notability (a British-born person playing English rugby is hardly surprising), they should not even be in the lead paragraph but, since these articles are already so choppy, I've added the information onto the existing paragraph rather than creating another distracting section. But they should certainly not be tacked onto the first sentence to disrupt the prose. Canadian Paul 14:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Possibly living people[edit]

Well, there is no clear indication of how to use possibly living people with people who lack a clear indication of date of birth. To me the issue is that we have no evidence in these articles that the person in question has been alive at all for the past 50 years. After running across several swimmers in lists of the deceased who were in the living people category I came to realize that assuming people were around with no evidence for the last 50 years was a bit extreme. Maybe I am wrong, but it would seem that if these people are alive, one should be able to find some actual affirmation of this fact.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Wally Desmond[edit]

Hi Dynamo, do you think Wally Desmond is the same person who is listed on your homepage as playing for Castleford two years later? Mattlore (talk) 11:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Frank Whitcombe[edit]

Hi Dynamo, please could ypu contact thanks very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:47, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Nathan Sykes[edit]

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Frank Whitcombe[edit]

I have a message from Wikipedia that refrences need adding to frank whitcombes page, all the information is there I dont know how to refrence the page with the sources at the bottom? Please can you help thanks Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:09, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Hockey Driscoll[edit]

Best, I could do DD. Sorry. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Have you seen this cite I added to Ike Owens, I'm sure it will fill in some gaps for some other league players too. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


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Donald Ward, Edward Ward?[edit]

Hey pal, I'm sorry to say that this was way before my time so im sorry I cannot help you :/ Migitgem2009 (talk) 19:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Rugby League Articles[edit]

Hey pal, just to let you know that these are the rugby league articles I am updating so you don't need to worry about them anytime soon:



Hope this list means you have slightly more time for you to do other articles.

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G Rees[edit]

Hi Degsy, Gone North Vol 1 has Rees as George Rees, having joined Leeds from Ammanford. As a forward it may be that he never played for one of the bigger clubs, but I'll have another look. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

And this picture of him puts him as Ammanford's captain. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:17, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Right, he also played for Neath and fought as a bombardier in France during WWI. Nice to see a rugby player that came back. This article states he played in the backs, which his size on the photos appears to back up. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
This fantastic little site has Rees (playing prop forward of all things) joining Leeds in 1914 and playing his first game on 5 September and clocking up an impressive 49 tries over 135 matches. He would have been better known if it wasn't for the war holding his career back. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:34, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Igor Denisov[edit]

Hey, yes Denisov complained about the wage bill that Hulk and Axel were on but he also said that Zenit should rely on the Russians that have always been loyal to the club and who have got them where they were. Let me know if you still think that this isn't worthy of inclusion in the article. Thanks Rupert1904 (talk) 14:47, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

harold edwards[edit]

Probably Risca. FruitMonkey (talk) 13:14, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Gone North[edit]

Hi Degsy, do you have a list of the articles that require a look into their rugby union past? FruitMonkey (talk) 17:37, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Malcolm Davies[edit]

I think you will find everything you need to know about the late Mr Malcolm Davies here. The article mucks up when they state he turned professional in 1948, he didn't, he just tried his hand at top level rugby union. He therefore appears to be the same guy who played for Cardiff you found (playing 8 senior games in the 49/50 season). He remained mostly with the 'rags' during that season, which is Cardiff Athletic, which once upon a time was the Cardiff 2nd team. They won the Glamorgan Silver Ball on a few occasions. Hope that helps. FruitMonkey (talk) 19:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

No worries, I'll keep dipping into it, I've just got myself sidelined by a bit of German Expressionist cinema at the moment. You know what it's like, you watch one little film and your off trying to fix all the holes and rubbish left by everyone else. FruitMonkey (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


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Cyril Kellett[edit]

Worthy of an article, and notable enough given Cyril Kellett's eight goals for Featherstone Rovers against Bradford Northern in the 1973 Challenge Cup final is still a record, that has only been matched by Iestyn Harris for Leeds against London Broncos 1999 final. I hate to lumber others with a task, but I reckon you are the best to create this one. Just to get you started, here's [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21]. I think/hope he is still alive.

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The Pleasers[edit]

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Please stop changing the names of image files in articles[edit]

Please stop changing the names of image files to "correct" the spelling as you have been doing repeatedly at Aida. Files must be linked to their exact name (even if misspelled). Otherwise they disappear from the article. This is what the article looked like after your edit. If you think the file needs renaming, go the file's page on Commons and add this template to it. Voceditenore (talk) 11:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

And I've just reverted some of the rest of those changes - the rest probably need checking as well. In Peter Hayes (lawyer), Ruggero Oddi and Prince René of Bourbon-Parma you changed the title of a reference and in all three cases the reference title was spelt the original way. Whether that's the correct spelling or not that's the title of the reference and so that's what we should use. In the case of List of Fellows of the Royal Society S,T,U,V the reliable source (the royal society list) uses the original spelling and so that's what we should use as it seems to be the only reliable source on the subject. It appears to me that you just searched and replaced on what you thought was a misspelling, without bothering to check any of the editors. This in general is a very bad idea as there may be good reasons for a misspelling (if that's even the case in this instance - given the number of sources using the spelling you changed it would appear that, at a minimum, Gui... is a valid alternative spelling). In the case of a name this is a very bad idea as it may not be a misspelling in many cases - we rely on reliable sources to inform us how to spell a name. Spellings in reference titles should match the spelling in the actual reference regardless of whether that's correct as that's the title of the reference. Please be more careful in future. Dpmuk (talk) 17:32, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Just realised quite how many changes you made - more than just on the 31st of July. Please could you go back and check them all to save someone else having to check, and correct, your edits. Dpmuk (talk) 17:40, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
All changed.DynamoDegsy (talk) 20:22, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

July 2013[edit]

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Boxing notability[edit]

..and that's why it is good to go on holiday.
As you can see I did try to start a dialogue, but when the response was fairly dead I took my foot off the pedal and looked elsewhere to spend my energies. I always intended to come back to it when my head was in the right place. Personally, I feel lets change the notability guidelines to match other sports and sit back. For Soccer Notability you just needed to come on for Gillingham as a sub for a game and you get an article. I believe we could set something up fairly easily and most reasonable human beings will let us give it a go. Again we need to be careful with the modern and past eras, maybe 20 pro matches for the oldies and 3 fights for the modern game, unless it's a title shot in which case they get it straight away.

I also believe the Unions are very important, just like in other professional sports, as are the big name trainers, referees and managers. Just like other sports. Also those that fight for their country in sporting events, such as the Olympics, etc.

You will get your knockers, but unless they join up to the Wikiproject and argue their point in house I think that their voice is weak. Start the argument in WP:Boxing and even if we are the only two voices, then so be it. We give it a few weeks, close it down and state this is what the project believes. That is what has happened in rugby, etc. If you argue the point on different pages it gets drowned out. FruitMonkey (talk) 12:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Degs. Just a quick note to tell you that I haven't been ignoring your postings, it's worse than that... I'm on holidays and Internet access is choppy where I'm staying so my editing has been cut back to barely nothing. I'm back in civilization on Friday so I'll pick things up then. Cheers. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:08, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Catverine. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Tommy Fairhall, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Catverine (talk) 21:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Changes to WP:NBOXING[edit]

I saw you made changes to WP:NBOXING. I undid these changes as they should be discussed first on Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) so a determination can be made on if there is consensus for those changes. I suggest you propose your changes on Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports). RonSigPi (talk) 12:31, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

  • I would put a link to that discussion in Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) and then revert back your changes. I (and I think many editors) only look there for discussions. Otherwise, I think your changes look like you did them on their own and people may undo as I did. RonSigPi (talk) 12:43, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

King George V Jubilee Match[edit]

Well it did exist, so that's a good start. It's mentioned on ESPN here. We have a common's photo of 'The Rest' on Wikipedia and mention on the article Frank Whitcombe who played for them. It was definitely not a capped Test for Wales. FruitMonkey (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Welsh Boxing Hall of Fame[edit]

Looks pretty darn good. I'll spend the coming half-term trying to plug some of those gaps, many of them non-boxers. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Aspinwall[edit]

Like you say, you would assume that England's official website would be correct, so admittedly I didn't bother checking anywhere else when I edited the article. Just did a bit of digging and news reports confirm that he played for "England A" during that tournament,[22][23] so RLP would appear to be incorrect (the match report on their website actually mentions it's England A! [24]) J Mo 101 (talk) 19:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries. On the same subject, I think the 1998 match against Wales is another reserve-team side incorrectly recorded as a full international (this time under the name "Emerging England"). I'm struggling to find a decent source for this, but there's an interview with Gary Broadbent here, who played in the match. J Mo 101 (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

re: Ted Sadler[edit]

Must admit I had to do a bit of digging to be sure, as englandrl's website has two seperate records, and the old castigers website had his name as "Edward L. Sadler" for some reason. The newspaper reference I added confirms that a "E.H.Sadler" played in Castleford's Challenge Cup win though, so I'm fairly confident it's the same player. I'll expand the article when I get the chance which should hopefully put it beyond doubt. J Mo 101 (talk) 22:51, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The source I added regarding his debut for Oldham says he is a "former Army and international Rugby Union forward". Just found another article confirming a Sadler moved from Oldham to Castleford, and the dates all match up, so I'm happy that it's the same player. J Mo 101 (talk) 14:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: England statistics[edit]

There's an interesting page on the englandrl website here (now archived) which has a list of every player that's represented England in a full international. Not aware of any books with a complete record of England's statistics (exact number of caps for players etc.), though this surely must exist somewhere. J Mo 101 (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Cockcroft[edit]

Thanks for your question re Tom the spelling on the Keighley RLFC site was wrong as is Billy's spelling, Tom was my Grandfather Billy my uncle. Its Martin Whitcombe here iv'e done The Whitcombe side now I'm going to do my Mums side of the family. I've only just opened my account thanks for your advice any help you can give me is much appropriated Best regards Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 12:56, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

all this is thanks to you for starting Franks article I added the information through a friend until I learnt how to do the edits my self Its turned in to a great family story — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 13:13, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Kenneth "Ken" Davies[edit]

Please could you help me with Ken's page Ill need a week to get some more information on there thanks Baldymart — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 23:38, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Frank Boylen[edit]

Schoolboy error my good friend. You should of course remember that all good turn of the century rugby players refused to be called by their Christian name and instead used a nickname, and of course you also forgot that ESPN Scrum will occasionally spell surnames wrong so scuppering any intelligent chances of completing a search under Frank, Francis or Boylen. Thus I give you Mr Patsy Boylan (sic). And yes he represented England for 4 caps. The only additional info I have on him was that the complete Who's Who of England Rugby Internationals (page 24), states that he was employed at BOC in Hull. Hope that helps. PS. drew a blank on Len Orchard sorry. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:59, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Micheal Seatter's Cap.jpg[edit]

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Welsh White City Stadium[edit]

I can only assume that White City Stadium, Cardiff is the venue you are after. It was common for venues to be used for multiple sports and it was open at the correct time. Also no luck on Chick, I'm unsure of where the name comes from either. Apologies FruitMonkey (talk) 19:02, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

apparent error[edit]

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dates in written bit do not tally with those in table, I have no more details of player but there is obviously something wrong Alanfromwakefield (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


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former Bradford Bulls players - don't know whether it is one of yours or not but I think someone has been tampering with link for " Ian Slater"

I tried removing the "x" which did no good PS I notice you haven't started adding to the Lancashire Cup series yet Alanfromwakefield (talk) 13:05, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Steve Prescott[edit]

Hi there,

I'm trying to improve this great man's article, but I'm struggling to find any information about his brief stint at Wakefield apart from some basic info. I don't suppose there are any books out there that might help expand this section? J Mo 101 (talk) 13:30, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Have one of these[edit]

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For untold entries in attempting to improve the sport of rugby on both sides of the divide, but this barnstar nomination was triggered when I found this: Yorkshire Rugby Football Union. Hats off!! FruitMonkey (talk) 19:32, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

copy editing[edit]

Thanks for your message thanking me for copy-editing! I tend to do selected typos just to neaten Wiki up :)) Eugene-elgato (talk) 22:40, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

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John McCluskey (boxer)[edit]

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"Circa" in article titles.[edit]

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Re:Lucas Brown[edit]

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Re: Paul Charlton[edit]

According to WP:PERSONDATA, the place of birth field should at least include the name of the town/city and the country. So "Whitehaven" on its own isn't sufficient, but "Whitehaven, England" would be enough. J Mo 101 (talk) 11:25, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Ken Jubb[edit]

are you still trying to contact his family? Baldymart(talk)

I read a message you were looking for members of his family I have his grandsons number if you need it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 08:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I spoke to Kens grandson last week about his rugby league career if you need his number just drop me a line — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 20:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

National Boxing Union[edit]

Could you do me a favor and check out this page. It feels wrong to me on so many levels. I've put two of his newly created articles on AfD (one labelled as a hoax) but feel that if I did it for this one I may be considered biased. I am not even sure what the article is about - but it looks like a company promotion.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I don't think I can do anything with this while my other two AfDs are so fresh. But no one ever accused me of not being patient. Maybe later.Peter Rehse (talk) 20:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

John Toothill[edit]

Just a brief note. - According to the John Player yearbook 1975-76, a J Toothill played number 15 for Bradford in the 1897-98 Challenge cup final – you had him playing for Bradford until 1894–≥, it now appears it was 4 years (at least) longer

Maybe Les Hoole’s “Illustrated R L Challenge Cup” may confirm this Alanfromwakefield (talk) 12:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Vincenzo Bertolotto[edit]


Bravo for your work on Vincenzo Bertolotto! I'm French and, above all, a friend of the son of Vincenzo ... I did not have as much information, especially on his playing Rugby League! Have you read the book "Cent'anni di Torino rugby" which traces the history of rugby in Piedmont?

Best regards.

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Re: GB rugby league team players[edit]

I'm not sure there's a definitive answer for this one. I don't think they should be included unless they have played an official test (especially if it was only matches on tour against some local team), but others would probably think otherwise. The old Rothmans yearbooks don't include their names on the GB register, but if you happen to find out that the Test status of those games have since been changed, feel free to amend the articles. J Mo 101 (talk) 20:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Albert Firth[edit]

Albert Firth died 2014 or 2015? (talk) 06:16, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

George Carmichael[edit]

On the 10th October 1942 George Carmichael played for the Rugby League XIII in a representative game against Northern Command at Hull F.C.‘s ground, Ill find his DOB for you — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Would you have details of the lineups for both teams for that match? From a programme perhaps? Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 18:15, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

List of St Helens RLFC players[edit]

Hi Degsy, I want to do some work on List of St Helens RLFC players using wikitables to smarten it up a bit. Before I start I want to find out the meaning of all the "Y"s and "N"s in the article. I left a note on the talk page about it. The page creator seems not to take much of a part on this site now so I thought I wlould ask you. Do you think they indicate something to do with international play or something else? Jodosma (talk) 09:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Denis Betts[edit]

Please stop replacing the endashes (–) in scorelines with hyphens (-) in the Denis Betts article. The endash is the correct punctuation mark in a scoreline. This isn't the first time I've had to correct your mistake in that regard, and I'm sure others have had similar things to say about your edits to other articles. – PeeJay 11:07, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Your recent poll of other Wikipedia users appears to be erroneous, as no-one else has ever mentioned my heinous crime of the abuse of endashes (–) and hyphens (-), thankfully my abuse of emdashes (—) has been kept to a minimum. I must have missed the memo as to the use of endashes (–) in scorelines. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
You clearly did "miss the memo". Wikipedia has a Manual of Style for a reason and all editors are expected to follow it. I wouldn't mind if you just did it once, but a few days ago you actually made a single edit just to revert me after I corrected you! – PeeJay 12:56, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The "single edit just to revert me after I corrected you" you claim was actually this edit, or these edits, and my previous edits to the Denis Betts article were these edits none of which were specifically targeted your edits. In addition, the Manual of Style does not appear to explicitly specify the use of an endash in scorelines, in fact separating two numbers with an endash indicates a range, which a scoreline isn't. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


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A brownie for you![edit]

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Here we go, here we go, etc.[edit]

Hull Kingston Rovers in the 2015 RL Challenge Cup final. Who'd thunk it ?! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:34, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Broughton RUFC, and Broughton Rangers and their notable players…[edit]

Hello once again. According to Football: The Rugby Union Game by Francis Marshall, the three players you asked about, Arthur Royle, Robert Seddon, and Alfred Teggin, were all Rangers players when they played for England. The same book has Payne, F Moss, Sawyer as very definitely the Broughton Club distinct from Rangers.Kwib (talk) 20:49, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


Hi, please avoid using online birth databases (as you have done at Brimah Kebbie) as this contravenes WP:BLPPRIMARY. GiantSnowman 20:04, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

There is no evidence (other than your original research) that the person listed at BMD and the subject of the article are the same person. That is why BLPPRIMARY applies here. GiantSnowman 13:07, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
No, that website is clearly not a primary source and if you think it is then I have grave concerns about your ability to edit BLPs if you cannot adequately identify suitable sources. That website clearly says that a rugby player was born on a certain date; our article is about the same person so it's fine to match the two. The same cannot be said for FreeBMD or any other birth database. Also I removed the DOB as it was unreferenced. GiantSnowman 12:56, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Look at the version before I started editing - where is the reference to the DOB, other than FreeBMD? GiantSnowman 13:03, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Hockey Driscoll[edit]

You'd think it would possible to at least find his Christian name. It Doesn't help that that Cardiff boxer Jim Driscoll fought during this period. Not sure if these help at all, but I found these articles 1, 2, 3 and 4. Cheers, FruitMonkey (talk) 19:51, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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Boxing update[edit]

In view your input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing#Notability guidelines I have made a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Boxing clarification. Since you gave input at the project page, then I thought I would let you know about the general page. RonSigPi (talk) 00:58, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Emlyn Hughes[edit]

I can't find much on this player, but I do have mention of Emlyn Hughes scoring a try for Llanelli at Swansea in a match during the 1932/33 season in one of my Scarlet's books. Strangely in does not mention him moving North, which it tends to for most players who 'defected'. So I'd go with Emlyn. Regards FruitMonkey (talk) 15:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Martin Whitcombe[edit]

Can you help me with loading the page for Martin Whitcombe in the correct way so I can add the information on clubs and teams? this is the current lay out which isn't working

Martin Whitcombe
Full name Martin Alun Whitcombe
Date of birth (1961-09-14)14 September 1961
Place of birth Keighley, West Riding of Yorkshire, England

Thanks Baldy Mart

Bradford Northern teams[edit]

Do you need the Bradford Northern teams for the challenge cup finals 1944, 1945, 1948, 1949 ? just drop me a line thanks again baldymart

Teams posted baldymart — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 21:09, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Yorkshire cup final teams posted Baldymart —Preceding undated comment added 16:59, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

All the information you needed I've done,

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 16:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I've relisted the 1943 final v Halifax its missing from the links?

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 21:10, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Notability Criteria for boxers[edit]

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Bradford northern[edit]

Yorkshire cup final teams posted Baldymart —Preceding undated comment added 16:59, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

All the information you needed I've done,

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talk • contribs) 16:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I've relisted the 1943 final v Halifax its missing from the links?

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talk • contribs) 21:10, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Martin whitcombe[edit]

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change on your user page[edit]

I hope I was not to bold when I specified/changed a link on your user page under "Issue number 44 - Autumn 2013":

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Bradford Northern Championship play off final[edit]

1944-45 Halifax (1st Leg) Thrum Hall 9 2 Ernest Ward, Alan Edwards*, Eric Batten, Jack Kitching, Walter Best, George Bennett, Donald Ward, Frank Whitcombe, Vic Darlison, Len Higson Laurie Roberts, Alf Marklew, Billy Hutchinson Halifax (2nd Leg) Odsal 24 11 Ernest Ward, Alan Edwards*, Eric Batten, Jack Kitching, Walter Best, Willie Davies, Donald Ward, Frank Whitcombe, Vic Darlison, Len Higson, Laurie Roberts, Alf Marklew, Billy Hutchinson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 08:35, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

capitalisation of "Runners-up"[edit]

Re: [25] and similar edits that changed "Runners-up" to "Runners-Up".

In standard English a hyphenated term such as "runners-up" is generally considered one word, not two, so it should be capitalised as "Runners-up", not "Runners-Up". The fact that the template name is capitalised incorrectly is not a reason to capitalise the text incorrectly. (It's easy to fix the visible contents, harder to rename the template and the name is not visible to the reader, so not worth the effort.) Mitch Ames (talk) 14:05, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

At the risk of further complicating things, but given that you're renaming templates anyway ....
Neither "final" nor "runners-up" (nor "winners") is a proper noun in this context, so really they ought not be capitalised at all, according to MOS:CAPS. As before, the displayed text is more important than the name of the template (which editors see, but not readers). Mitch Ames (talk) 02:05, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

captain vs copyright[edit]

Please adjust whatever software you are using that replaces (c) with © when indicating the captain of a team. (One example that I've fixed: [26]). Mitch Ames (talk) 02:24, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


Love your rugby league edits, grateful you are here, so irritated with myself that I'm dropping you a line that's not overwhelmingly positive. Re this, wherever the nickname goes (and I'm really unsure about what you've done with it) nicknames in BLPs should really be referenced or deleted, no matter how well known to the cognoscenti! In any case, thanks for your massive input to RL coverage on Wikipedia. It's noticed and appreciated. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:20, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Wakefield Trinity[edit]

Hi, you appear to re replacing everything with Wakefield Trinity such as [27] here, but this is factually incorrect, any references to the club between 1999 and 2016 should state Wakefield Trinity Wildcats which they were know as at that time. Keith D (talk) 15:55, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Challenge Cup[edit]

Hi there,

I've noticed you've been adding a lot of Challenge Cup squad templates recently. What source have you been using out of curiosity? I've been thinking of continuing to create/improve the yearly articles for the history of the competition – this is easy enough for more recent years with access to newspaper archives etc, but the further back you go, the more difficult it becomes to find detailed information. I was wondering if you were aware of any books with this info, or if you were just finding the lineups the same way as me? J Mo 101 (talk) 22:04, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand[edit]

Hi DynamoDegsy, I'm curious what the point is of this edit. Could you explain, please? I'm not critical or anything; just want to know what this is good for or achieves. Schwede66 07:25, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

AWB edits[edit]

Hi, when using AWB, please make sure that you don't violate the Rules of use, particularly item 4 "Do not make insignificant or inconsequential edits. An edit that has no noticeable effect on the rendered page is generally considered an insignificant edit.". Several of your recent edits fall foul of this, where the appearance of the rendered page was not altered, so the edits were inconsequential. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 07:57, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Rule 4 goes on to say "seek consensus at an appropriate venue before making further similar edits", yet you appear to be making many similar edits. Please stop. Why is it worth making an edit to remove a space before a pipe? Why is it worth making an edit to bypass the Halifax RLFC redirect? Why is "of the 1920s, and 1930s" better than "of the 1920s and 1930s"? -- John of Reading (talk) 18:25, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
There are 18 'Find → Replace with' text strings in the AWB script I'm currently running, and unfortunately it appears that some articles only necessitate the inconsequential edits. As some of these edits are inconsequential, it hardly seemed worth seeking a consensus to make them, and that someone would revert an inconsequential edit is absolutely bewildering. Anyhow, rules-is-rules, so I'll toddle-off, and create some articles… with an ever decreasing number of Wikipedia editors (I wonder why) someone's got to do the hard-yards. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 19:56, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
My AWB rule set also includes some inconsequential rules. I mark them "Minor" by ticking column 7 of the "Find & Replace" rule dialog, and tick "Skip if ... only minor replacement made" on the main "Options" tab. This causes AWB to skip straight past any article where only the "minor" rules take effect. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:10, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the tip, I'll implemented it should I ever run AWB again. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 21:32, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Dai Jenkins Rugby 1979)[edit]

Thank you for editing my recent page on Dai Jenkins. I appreciate your help.

However, you have added a short paragraph back into the text: Dai re-commenced Rugger with Treherbert Old Boys, then Pontypridd R U, followed by one season with Cardiff. In 1934, reserve scrum half for Wales v England at Cardiff. He changed codes to Rugby League in 1935.

The reason I didn't re-include this para is that I have not been able to find references for these statements in the Dai Jenkins Collection, which I have just fully catalogued at Heritage Quay (Huddersfield University).

Do you have the references that I may include?

Kind Regards

Cadbury-Bonnington — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cadbury-Bonnington (talkcontribs) 15:01, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


Sorry I missed you at Heritage Quay, I usually volunteer on such days but didn't make it this time.

Thanks for the explanation, this is the first Wikipedia page I've changed. I've again deleted the para, using the 'code' page and not 'WIYSIWYG' and am hoping this works. I'm a family historian, so know how to find proof (where it exists) of dates/places etc, although Wales is not an easy place to research.

The other thing I want to do but can't find a way to do it, is to add Dai Jenkins' dates to the page title - ie David (Dai) Jenkins (1914-1979) (Rugby League). I feel this will help identify this particular David Jenkins from the others. I'd appreciate your advice on how to do this.


Cadbury-Bonnington (talk) 10:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I did have a quick look for Dai's father, Richard, when I was researching but I'll spend some more time to see what I can unearth.

Cadbury-Bonnington (talk) 10:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Lee Patterson (rugby league)[edit]

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Broughton Rangers F.C. listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Broughton Rangers F.C.. Since you had some involvement with the Broughton Rangers F.C. redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Thryduulf (talk) 18:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

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Rugby League article cleanup[edit]

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Great work on cleaning up a whole raft of articles and doing the little things that make a difference.Fleets (talk) 20:00, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Wakefield Trinity redirects[edit]

Hi I'm not sure why you are changing links to the redirect [[Wakefield Trinity Wildcats]] to the piped link [[Wakefield Trinity|Wakefield Trinity Wildcats]] as per WP:NOTBROKEN links to redirects are fine. Also please bear in mind that Wildcats is no longer part of the club name so any article which is about the current squad or season should not use the Wildcats moniker (and neither should any article relating to pre-1999), these should only use Wakefield Trinity. Nthep (talk) 21:26, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

To further this point rather than creating a new section, on the season pages for the English teams you have changed [[Wakefield Trinity Wildcats|Wakefield]] or any variation on this such as [[Wakefield Trinity|Wakefield]] to just [[Wakefield Trinity]] on the fixtures section where every single team just has the first name ie. Leeds, Warrington rather than the full name. I notice you have done this on the Bradford Bulls season pages. Yet Wakefield at the time were known as Wakefield Trinity Wildcats anyway rather than just Wakefield Trinity. There is no need for the full name to be on there, the links are fine and work too. So I guess I am just wondering the reason for doing this? Migitgem2009 (talk) 22:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
The recent change back to 'Wakefield Trinity' from 'Wakefield Trinity Wildcats' is what's prompted me to address the redirects (though it's been bugging me for some time), there are so many articles with so many issues, and different redirects, e.g. 'Wakefield Wildcats' (i.e. no 'Trinity', and hence an invalid name), it would be a life-long task to get the articles correct… at least this way, once I get articles with wiki-links that are either; [[Wakefield Trinity]], or [[Wakefield Trinity|Wakefield Trinity Wildcats]] I can then manually check that the latter is the correct usage only for 1999 though to 2016. Historically, Leeds, and Warrington didn't have a secondary descriptors, e,g. Rovers, Hornets, Trinity, Northern, etc. but the Likes of Wakefield Trinity, and Bradford Northern, etc. always have, the problem is that if these secondary descriptors are omitted, this can lead to confusion between which club is which, e.g Bradford F.C. is not same club as Bradford Bulls, or Bradford Northern, but use of just the word Bradford could lead you to believe that this is the case. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk)
I understand the link redirects to be fixed so it sends you to Wakefield Trinity as that is the official club title now. However on the fixture pages once that link has been created the surely [[Wakefield Trinity|Wakefield]] would be okay? Hovering over the link or clicking it would instantly tell the user that it is Wakefield Trinity rather than Wakefield F.C. I can't see many people being confused between Wakefield Trinity and Wakefield F.C considering that Wakefield F.C hasn't been in existence for a very long time. Furthermore Featherstone Rovers full name has been in the fixtures rather than [[Featherstone Rovers|Featherstone]] as has Catalans on certain Bulls season pages. Having the |Wakefield]] suffix to the link is on every season page to make it more aesthetically pleasing for the viewer as well. Having the odd full name just looks awful. I don't mind going through the Bulls season pages from 1996 to 2017 and adding |Wakefield]] to the fixtures, they are pretty much the main articles I focus on being a huge Bradford fan and I re-did all those year pages in order to look similar too. Thank you for your explanation too mate, I appreciate it :) Best regards to you too Migitgem2009 (talk) 23:18, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi Migitgem2009, I believe that the abbreviation/truncation of team names should be avoided, and that the text visible to the Wikipedia user should be the team name pertinent to the era that the article is referring to, e.g. "Americanized" names to be used only in Super League era articles (unless, and until this "Americanized" name gets dropped, e.g. Barracudas, Bears, Sharks, Wildcats, etc.), as I believe it's informative to know the actual team name at that particular point in time. As an aside, I don't believe it's possible to hover over the wiki-links on Android browsers, or while using the Wikipedia App. Also, I'm particularly adverse to, e.g. [[Hull Kingston Rovers|Hull KR]], as this assumes the reader knows that 'KR' means 'Kingston Rovers'. Even worse is the use of nicknames in articles as either dumb text, or wiki-links, e.g. [[Warrington Wolves|Wire]], [[Widnes Vikings|Chemics]], or [[St Helens R.F.C.|Saints]], as Wikipedia is a generalist encyclopedia, and very few people outside of rugby league will know of these nicknames, I believe the articles should be written for the layperson. It appears there may be instances where the 'Infobox rugby league biography' cannot deal appropriately with long team names, and e.g. {{nowrap|Hull Kingston Rovers}} may have to be used… although this appears to be inconsistent see, e.g. Mickey Paea, and Sam Smith, where {{nowrap|Hull Kingston Rovers}} causes the years to wrap on the Mickey Paea article, but the years don't wrap on the Sam Smith article.1 I appreciate you're the guru of Bradford Bulls Super League era, so can I ask a favour, could you please point me at an article that you're concerned my clean-up has aesthetically disrupted, it'll be easier to see what you mean. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Hey DynamoDegsy, I will start off by saying I do not agree with avoiding abbreviations purely down to aesthetic reasons. The Bulls season page 2007 Bradford Bulls season shows Hull KR's full name, Wakefield Trinity and also Catalans Dragons, whereas every other team is just Leeds, Wigan, Warrington etc. However I will say that your reason's are probably a lot more important in terms of the article than my own personal preferences and reasoning. So if Hull Kingston Rovers is on the pages then I will go through each season and make sure the rest are shown too such as Leeds Rhinos just so the articles are consistent with all teams throughout the Super League era. However between the years of 1999 and 2016 I will be changing Wakefield from Wakefield Trinity to Wakefield Trinity Wildcats or just Wakefield Wildcats because that is what the team were called during this period. Not sure about the android user not being able to hover over the name so I will take your word for it. Also whilst we are here what are your opinions on changing current British RL season page layout to match the NRL ones so RL has one set season page layout rather than two separate ones? See 2013 Bradford Bulls season and 2013 Brisbane Broncos season for reference. Thank you and kind regards, Migitgem2009 (talk) 19:07, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
So am I okay to go through the various season pages and makes the changes to the team names? If so I can get them done tonight? Cheers. Migitgem2009 (talk) 17:14, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
I believe it's for the best, so if you're okay undertaking those changes then that'd be great. Regarding your season page layout query… I believe a common layout would be preferred… but that also looks like a lot of work (particularly if you start at 1895!!! only kidding)… it looks as though you're going to be busy… keep up the good-work. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 17:23, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
No problem, I will start straight away! I'll also get around to changing the Bulls season pages to be more in line with the NRL ones. Hopefully then others will follow suit and we can get one consistent layout for ALL RL pages. You too my friend, best regards Migitgem2009 (talk) 18:29, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Des Case[edit]

Hi DynamoDegsy. Regarding Des Case, I'm not sure I understand the meaningful distinction between it being an "index" of primary sources versus it just being primary sources but, regardless of the semantics, it appears that the material I removed constitutes original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia, let alone on the biography of a potentially (however unlikely) living person: I do not see any explicit statement that the Desmond J. Case in the records is the same person as the sportsman. Unless there is a reliable source making this claim, it must be removed, particularly as this individual is afforded WP:BLP protections. Furthermore, as stated in WP:BLPPRIMARY "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth". Alternatively, if there is a discussion that has been had somewhere that led to a consensus that these sources are fine, then please just point to it and I'll be more than happy to drop the issue.

I would also like to point out that, per WP:NAMES, "Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can be in the lead if relevant to the person's notability, but they should not be mentioned in the opening brackets of the lead sentence alongside the birth and death dates," so inserting "birth registered in Newport district," (sourced or otherwise) immediately after these brackets is not acceptable. Also, per the same policy "After the initial mention of any name, the person should generally be referred to by surname only", so please stop inserting the full names of these players every time you mention them.

Most importantly, however, is that your edits restored a complete unsourced full date of birth that was added by an IP-hopping editor with a history of disruptive ending, including inserting false dates of birth and removing cited dates of death. As such, I have a strong reason to suspect that this material is inaccurate and, since per WP:BLP unsourced material may be removed at any time, I will be doing so. Canadian Paul 12:27, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Tony Barrow (rugby league)[edit]

Hi Dynamo, Did you move this page so you can create a second Tony Barrow? I can't see one that already exists. Mattlore (talk) 20:17, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't think you can have one article at Tony Barrow (rugby league) and one at Tony Barrow (rugby league, born 1971). I think Tony Barrow (rugby league) will have to be moved to Tony Barrow (rugby league, born 1944). Tony Barrow (rugby league) will then need to redirect to a disambiguation page. Mattlore (talk) 21:33, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Robert Spurr ‎[edit]

Is there more than one Robert Spurr with content on Wikipedia? If not, then there is no need to add parenthetical disambiguation to the name. olderwiser 18:57, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Warrington - 1973–74 Captain Morgan Trophy winners[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Warrington - 1973–74 Captain Morgan Trophy winners has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. J Mo 101 (talk) 10:41, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

1991 New England Patriots season[edit]

Please don't change the names of people referenced in wikilinks. In the case of Tom Hodson, that name leads to his web page. Changing the name to Tommmy Hodson breaks the wikilink. Tarl N. (discuss) 01:17, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Ah. Now I see what happened. It wasn't just an arbitrary change of name, the problem was you misspelled it. Fixed. Tarl N. (discuss) 01:25, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


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Ray Fox[edit]

Hi Dynamo, can you find any sources that may save this article from deletion? Thanks, Mattlore (talk) 23:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Flags in European current templates[edit]

Hello there, I have been asked by another member of WPRL to widen the conversation on "Flags in European current templates", in the hope to gain a wider consensus. I imagine that this message may well never be read, dismissed, see me lose support, potentially gain some or take the discussion forwards. Please do take the time to read the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rugby_league#Flags_in_squad_templates if you can, but the crux of my position is that the flags are prevalent elsewhere, are consistent with usage by the MOS, and their implementation for their rugby league national squad/team or representative nationality, is in line with their intended purpose. The crux of the remove side would be an IP editor may interpret a flag as indication of birth, give too much credence to the nation, and the decision was made previously. To remove them from all rugby league templates when there is a limited conversation would seem more than a little unfair I would say, hence the attempt to reach out. I'm quite happy to voted down, but would appreciate a few more voices to the discussion, else it would seem quite wrong to move from the majority into the minority.Fleets (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Page move that might interest you[edit]

FYI, I moved Walter Hammond, an article you created, to Walter Hammond (rugby league) per a consensus here to do so. Feel free to join the conversation there. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:33, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Navbox templates[edit]

Hi mate. Consistency is all well and good, but on Denis Betts' page, you now have {{Wigan RLFC - 1989 Challenge Cup Final winners}} and {{Wigan - 1991 World Club Challenge winners}}, i.e. a different style for the Challenge Cup and the World Club Challenge. I don't see how referring to the club simply as Wigan for the World Club Challenge helps anything, since that title is pretty vague otherwise. Also, why did you nominate Template:Wigan RLFC - 1994 World Club Challenge winners for deletion? – PeeJay 16:30, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

I get it that the teams no longer have RLFC in their names, but that's a relatively modern thing. Back in the early 1990s, the team was still called Wigan RLFC, so I would say instead of removing the RLFC from the ones that have it, you should be adding it to the ones that don't. I agree with you on the change of "Winners" to "winners" though. – PeeJay 16:43, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Okay, so the ones that should be RFC or even FC should have that suffix, IMO. Just because it's easier to change "Wigan RLFC" to "Wigan" doesn't mean that's the right thing to do. – PeeJay 18:25, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm not saying it should be added to the title of articles, but the templates should at least match what the article would have been called at the time. Obviously we couldn't have had an article simply called "Wigan" about the RL club back in the early 1990s, hence it would have had to be "Wigan RLFC". Nowadays, the club is known as Wigan Warriors, which is not ambiguous, hence it doesn't need the disambiguator. – PeeJay 20:45, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Oh, is there another discussion there I can contribute to? Because I thought I would just go right to the guy who made a unilateral decision to move a whole bunch of pages. But if this was decided by WP:RL, go right ahead. – PeeJay 21:15, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
You've explained your reasoning perfectly well, I'm just telling you I disagree. Honestly, I don't care enough about rugby league articles to labour the point, but I figured you would appreciate the input of someone who's been an editor here three years longer than you. – PeeJay 21:24, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I guess it must be easy to create a lot of articles when you're a fan of a minority sport... – PeeJay 21:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Template:Bradford Northern - 1941–42 Championship Final Runners-Up[edit]

George Carmichael, Walter Best, E Billington, Ernest Ward, Emlyn Walters, Willie Davies, Ken Davies*, Frank Whitcombe, Cliff Carter, Len Higson, Trevor Foster, Bill Smith, Billy Hutchinson

Ken Davies* on loan from Keighley

I have the details of the years Bradford Northern won the Yorkshire league title please would you add them to Franks record, thanks very much Baldymart

Yorkshire County League Winners 1939–1940 Yorkshire League Winners 1940–1941 Yorkshire League Winners 1947–1948

Tom Askin[edit]

Hi, I have just removed a bunch of information from the Tom Askin article. I think it was you who added it but the whole thing is original research. It could be that you are now aware of the issues but haven't cleaned up the past edits. Regardless, just to be on the safe side, please don't use FreeBMD or any other similar primary source in this way. We are not qualified to interpret primary sources. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 11:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Yikes, there are many hundreds of them. That's a big clean up of RL-related articles which needs to be done. - Sitush (talk) 11:59, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

It really, really isn't a good idea to edit war with me about this at the Askin article. I've responded to your note on my talk page and you'll see that another person with genealogical experience has also been involved there this morning. That talk page is very highly scrutinised by admins etc, so they'll be quick to jump on signs of warring. - Sitush (talk) 12:07, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

August 2017[edit]

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  • I really do not like templating the regulars but you're showing an astonishing lack of knowledge about both what constitutes original research and what constitutes edit warring. Sitush (talk) 12:30, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
  • And no need to template me, by the way. I am aware that I am at the 3RR limit. - Sitush (talk) 12:30, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Exactly who the fuck am I?[edit]

To answer this edit summary, I'm admin User:Boing! said Zebedee, temporarily away from being able to use my admin account, and I believe I understand Wikipedia's policies on primary and secondary sources and on original research better than you do. I strongly suggest you adopt a more collegial and civil approach, tone down the aggression, and start discussing contentious changes rather than blindly edit warring. Boing! on Tour (talk) 12:41, 10 August 2017 (UTC)



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I've blocked your ability to edit while we look at the potential issues with the articles you've been editing today. If you feel hard done by, you can raise an unblock request in the usual manner by leaving {{unblock | reason=your reason here ~~~~}} on your talk page. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:01, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Block evasion[edit]

You have evaded your block twice using IPs. Not sure what your motives are, but you will probably be blocked indefinitely if you persist. Favonian (talk) 13:33, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I have extended the block to one month for persistent block evasion. I won't oppose to indefinite at this point. Alex ShihTalk 16:43, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


I have long noticed and valued your contributions, particularly to rugby league.

Can I please please please encourage you to be calm. I appreciate you are upset but abusive messages and socking aren't helping you at all.

Just close your eyes and imagine the green, green grass of Headingley, eating pies, a bale of wire, Mal Meninga's extraordinary thighs, Mal Reilly, Offish storming down the wing, Davies magic in the centre, Des Drummond head down, Odsal Top, and breathe...

Sleep on it. If you'd like my help mediating, just ask. otherwise, I'll butt out. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 17:32, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

If by chance you are reading this, I'd appreciate you enabling your email. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Much appreciated for all your help again best regards Baldy mart — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 22:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Baldymart, I've done a quick fix for you at at Martin Whitcombe, but as you may see, there is reference to 'rugby league' at the bottom the infobox. Unfortunately, its not just a case of changing "{{Infobox rugby league biography", to "{{Infobox rugby union biography", as these infoboxes have been developed by users independently of each other, and the formatting is quite different from each other. If you could complete the data using the rugby league infobox, I'll convert it to the rugby union infobox when you're done. Best regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:05, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Could you look at the above for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baldymart (talkcontribs) 22:22, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

FreeBMD and article talk pages[edit]

FYI, this sort of thing and the even less disingenuous version you've recently added at Talk:Tom Askin is quite likely to end badly for you. As Ritchie333 pointed out in this thread a month ago, on the day you were blocked, there are even potential BLP issues. And BLP applies everywhere, not just in articles.

You're involved in two different open threads at WP:NORN at the moment - why not let them pan out before rushing into this? - Sitush (talk) 17:47, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Correction: you posted your queries to Wikipedia talk:No original research rather than WP:NORN. You'd probably get a better response if you moved them. - Sitush (talk) 17:57, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

As it stands, I don't believe that asking questions on talk pages is a Wiki-crime just yet, so I'm not sure how why this "is quite likely to end badly for you" is appropriate, unless this is some sort of threat. DynamoDegsy (talk)

Because it can be perceived as being disruptive and can be a BLP violation. Therefore, no threat but instead the benefit of my considerably wider experience. - Sitush (talk) 01:44, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
I have now moved the two discussions that you opened - they can be found at WP:NORN. - Sitush (talk) 04:26, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
There is no way that asking perfectly reasonable questions on talk pages could ever be perceived as being disruptive, and a BLP violation, surely someone of your "considerably wider experience" would know that. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:18, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

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Re: Scotland RL players[edit]

Hi DynamoDegsy,

Happy New Year to you too!

McLean should already be on the list - I think the issue is that Scotland RL's website spells his name as McClean instead. I think this is the correct spelling but it's not entirely clear.

Since the other names aren't on the Scotland RL register, I think we can assume that they were all unused substitutes. J Mo 101 (talk) 13:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I just noticed that Simes actually played in the Ireland game (another spelling difference - he's listed as "Jason Syme" on Scotland's website). So that just leaves two uncapped subs. I don't feel strongly either way about including them or not. Maybe they could be added as a footnote?
PS. Feel free to tell me it's none of my business, but have you considered archiving your talk page? It's a huge page and it takes a while to navigate all the way down to the bottom to leave a reply! J Mo 101 (talk) 18:48, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Do not modify article titles in citations[edit]

I have reverted your semi-automated change of a news article title in a citation. Please be more careful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:11, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Consensus for find and replace style changes?[edit]

Do you have consensus for edits like this? Replacing all instances of "Hull" with "Hull F.C." in prose makes text awkward to read. It looks like you have modified over 400 articles in this way. If you cannot point to a consensus for these edits, please stop until you have it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:15, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

There was a conversation at WPRL. What I would say that Hull F.C is appropriate within the infobox. Elsewhere I will say that it probably isn't appropriate to use it 100% of the time.Fleets (talk) 19:51, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Violation of AWB rule 4[edit]

This edit is a violation of AWB rule 4. Please do not make any such edits using AWB. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:17, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Careful with References, please[edit]

Please be careful when editing references. You've made about 40 changes to references in articles about rugby that cause duplicate reference definition errors. These errors end up obscuring the references that you wish to add, and the problem is readily avoidable with a little bit of care. I hope you will revisit your edits to correct the problems you've caused. Please let me know if you need any help. -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:55, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Reference errors[edit]

Hi there, just wanted to give you a heads-up that you're creating reference errors. I only mention it because I just ran into the same error twice in a row just now, at Jason Mackie and Andrew Lomu. The error is twofold: you're not including the closing ref tag, which in both cases totally trashed the infobox, and you're using the "cite web" template, but not including the closing brackets nor filling out all the fields, which makes things wacky. Anyway, no big deal, I've fixed these, but just wanted to let you know for future. Thanks! Jessicapierce (talk) 18:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


Hi DynamoDegsy! Please don't add {{stub}} templates to disambiguation pages such as Brian Marsden and Dai Smith. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:09, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

You did it again on Eric Doyle, so I've opened a bug report for the AWB developers. GoingBatty (talk) 02:33, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi @GoingBatty:, I've attempted to remove articles with the (disambiguation) suffix from my AWB list, but the affected articles appears to be ones that I originally initiated as biography articles, but that have subsequently been converted to disambiguation articles but without the (disambiguation) suffix, I'll halt the AWB run forthwith. Best regards

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Please use preview (broken formatting)[edit]

Hello, could I ask you to please use the preview function when submitting your changes, to make sure you haven't broken formatting? I patrol for reference errors, and a huge proportion of the ones I find lately, are caused by your not closing a ref tag. I don't mind fixing them, but until I do, in a lot of cases, the error makes a large part of the page hidden from view. A quick preview would solve this for both of us (and the readers). Just a suggestion - thanks for all the improvements you add! Jessicapierce (talk) 20:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I've come across a few of your updates that are causing the infobox to fail. This seems to happen with the RLP additions, or at least some of them. Just thought I'd let you know.Fleets (talk) 18:16, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


Your latest batch of AWB edits have broken all the articles you've applied them to. Nthep (talk) 14:51, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

AWB commas[edit]

Hi DD, I notice that alot of the edits that comma placement errors that I fixed were reverted by AWB. I was wondering if you could address that as it is not proper to place a comma before an "and" when used in a list of similar items such as clubs, representative sides or positions.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Theanonymousentry:, I prefer the the serial comma, and so when I've initiated these articles, that's what I've used, and I was using AutoWikiBrowser to ensure that I had been consistent. I believe that the serial comma is perfectly acceptable in these instances, for as the serial comma article states… "For example, a list of three countries might be punctuated either as "France, Italy, and Spain" (with the serial comma), or as "France, Italy and Spain" (without the serial comma)", and I personally prefer; Leeds, St. Helens, and Wigan, and fullback, wing, or centre. Best regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:00, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
It would be out of step with common usage for pretty much everything but American-English. A serial comma would not likely be seen in any anything that we are quoting as a source from Britain, Australia or New Zealand. Were we to be talking about NFL player articles then it would make sense, but to go against the grain would not make too much sense to me.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:37, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi @Theanonymousentry:, Serial or Oxford commas are defined in The Oxford Style Manual, and according to The Oxford Companion to the English Language, "Commas are used to separate items in a list or sequence"… and Oxford is definitely in Britain… I've checked ;) DynamoDegsy (talk) 07:45, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
I was thinking of throwing that one in, but you beat me to the punch. Not reading too many journals I don't tend to come across this style of writing, and the only place it would be seen is things that do use the American-English usage, and I wouldn't say that the sentence flow would match with what is written, if it was written with the Oxford usage and said aloud.Theanonymousentry (talk) 11:06, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Hiya, I was wondering if you had had a chance to review a variety of sources such as biographies and newspaper articles to see where commas are prevalent. Just wouldn't want to introduce a system that is not in line with what everyone else has as a standard for rugby league articles.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:35, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Degsy. I was just wondering if you had had a chance to review any biographies or newspaper articles over recent days. There is an element of your AWB additions that are not corrected implemented in this context, with the comma inappropriate given the subject matter and it's usage. A good rule of thumb here would be is this a list of the same or similar things, or do I pause when saying the list aloud. Just trying to help, and not having a pop. I have steered clear of reversions, and have ruled out changing hundreds of the AWB initiated changes, but I would appreciate it if you did come back to me on this one.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:37, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi @Theanonymousentry: Wikipedia is a encyclopedia, and as such, the grammar used in newspaper articles, etc. is not relevant, as journalists typically do not use the serial comma… as detailed here. As much as I'd like to take credit for the Oxford comma it has been in use far longer than I've been alive, and many of the Wikipedia articles in question were initiated by myself nearly a decade ago, so its not as though a "new" system is being introduced. As the Serial comma article states 'Opinions among writers and editors differ on whether to use the serial comma', but as I initiated these many thousands of rugby league articles, I used the Oxford comma. DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:09, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I have not found a biography that utilised American English or the Oxford take on things. Would it not make sense that the prevalent sources, being both biographies and newspaper articles match the prevalent form here with the player articles. It seems odd to go against typical British, Australian and New Zealand norms, for what I'm imagining are potential aesthetics. Were we to be writing a piece of fiction inside the Tolkien universe, then I could get on board, but given that to introduce the serial comma would not be in line with grammatical norms for the three main countries of rugby league, then it would seem odd not to question that, and furthermore ask the question as to why we might choose to go against our own primary sources.Theanonymousentry (talk) 11:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
@Theanonymousentry: Biographies and newspaper articles are not primary sources… if they were, we wouldn't be able to use them on Wikipedia, and we should not copy text with its journalistic grammar verbatim. I'm introducing nothing, the Oxford comma exists, it is British, it is used in academic or formal styles of writing, e.g. an encyclopedia, and I am not writing a biography nor a newspaper article, I am initiating 1000s of rugby league player articles in Wikipedia, I suggest your time may be better spent doing the same, or correcting the more obvious article flaws. I spend little time pausing while reading a comma, I have however wasted a significant amount of time discussing the comma with you. DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:31, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Okay, not primary sources, but they are our first port of call, that was where I was coming from. The Oxford comma exists in Britain, but it is far from prevalent, with the vast majority of journal articles, scientific journals, medical texts, SOPs, etc going against Oxford. I implore you to search out other encyclopedic articles for the likes of soccer, rugby union, cricketers, etc to show that it is inappropriate, and not just a journalistic trait, but one that is commonplace throughout, with many authors shunning the Oxford comma. Please do look at just a few other articles, as we would not want to be implementing something that goes against the rest of the sporting world, at least not without a full and proper justification.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:38, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

template:Infobox rugby league biography[edit]

There's an as yet undocumented change to the template which I think will interest you, in fact it's inspired by you. You've been at pains in a number of articles to point out that it's difficult to identify how many penalties, dg or conversions a player kicked so with this in mind the template now alkows you to lump all kicks together with a parameter called |allgoalsN= where N is the team number in the players history. This can be used insread of |goalsN= and |fieldgoalsN=. Obviously it only works for the period where all kicks were worth 2 points but it may save you the long explanation on a lot of pages. Nthep (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Nthep:… the 'DynamoDegsy Memorial Infobox Parameter'… it's what I've always wanted ;) DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:17, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

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