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A Barnstar for You![edit]

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For your time dedicated to assessing articles for Wikiproject Geography. Congratulations! TheQ Editor (Talk) 19:01, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, kindly. I still have much to do! EP111 (talk) 19:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks! EP111 (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

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Liverpool meetup[edit]

Hello. I'm writing to invite you to the 12th Liverpool wikimeet, which is taking place on the 21st June - see meta:Meetup/Liverpool/12 for the full information. If you're in the area, please consider coming along to it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite. Unfortunately, I'm likely to be busy with other things. All the best, EP111 (talk) 19:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Hello EP111,

Thanks for assessing D-line, Old GRA and Odiabidi. Stanleytux (talk) 02:32, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

No probs. It's best to keep on top of assessing all of the newly listed places, now that I've cleared the backlog for WP Cities and WP Geography etc. EP111 (talk) 11:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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2014 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11[edit]

Thanks for your sterling efforts in keeping this and similar articles up to date. It would be good if we could find images of the stage profiles as in previous years, but I have absolutely no clue how to create them without breaching copyright. I can't see any on any foreign language Wikipedia either. Any thoughts?

I have been a bit busy of late, but should now have a bit of time on my hands, so plan to create articles for the more important of the missing climbs. IIRC, there is a notability guideline, but I can't trace it, to the effect that only climbs ranked Cat 2 or higher warrant a Wikipedia article. If so, is there any point in red linking the minor climbs. I was at Grinton Moor and Blubberhouses over the weekend, but I can't see any merit in an article about them. (If I can cycle up them, they can't be too difficult!)

Cheers Bikeroo (talk) 14:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Bikeroo, I've been keeping an eye on this Commons category for any relevant photos, as well as other route location categories on Commons for other photos. Though, someone seems keen to delete those non-cycling-specific ones from the article. I'm sure that any previous stage profile image creators would know the relevant procedure, if you feel that they are necessary. I've interpolated much of the route descriptions from the official ones, anyway. I've left a hidden note next to each redlink which most deserves a new article. Many have a companion article on the French Wikipedia, which can be translated by putting the link into Bing Translator (as http, rather than https - and Google translator seems to not be working for me), then copyedited. Links just to Category 2 climbs or higher (and others with an existing article) sounds reasonable enough. Perhaps, de-link and italicise the lower ones as foreign language, and link just to any villages named in the climb? Regards, EP111 (talk) 14:24, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

I have now created articles for Le Markstein and Col du Platzerwasel. As the Col du Petit Ballon article (such as it) refers to the mountain, I will add an article about Col du Petit Ballon. Unfortunately, at present I cannot find a source that directly covers the TdF route. Climbbybike has only one climb, from a very different place.[1]

Regarding Col du Platzerwasel, I have gone with the altitude shown on the IGN map (1,182 m) (which differs from the road sign in the picture in the infobox by 1 m), although the height quoted by the TdF (and used on the TdF articles) is 1,193 m. Bikeroo (talk) 11:26, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

They're good stub/start-class articles. Nice and tidy on the formatting, too. Regards, EP111 (talk) 11:36, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Col de Val Louron-Azet[edit]

Hi again. I plan to create an article tomorrow under the above title. This is the name used on the TDF website. See also this image of the sign at the summit.[2]. Bikeroo (talk) 21:24, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Noted, please change as appropriate, until further evidence. The photo is a good citation for the name. Though, fr:Col d'Azet describes it as primarily as Col d'Azet with the secondary Col de Val-Louron-Azet (I presume written by somebody who is also a native speaker of French). Please excuse my ultra-pedanticism, I wonder how relevant the extra hyphen is? Would "Col d'Azet" and "Col de Val-Louron-Azet/Col de Val Louron-Azet" be each of the two climbs on the opposite side of the same mountain? Regards, EP111 (talk) 21:43, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
N.b. Yes it would. Bing Maps shows that Val Louron (or Val-Louron, according to fr:Val-Louron) is on one side of the mountain and Azet is on the other. EP111 (talk) 21:51, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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List of teams and cyclists in the 1989 Tour de France[edit]

Great work in creating this article. Were you planning to create any more for other Tour editions? Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I may get around to some of the other 1980s—1990s Tour years, eventually, as well as filling in some of the stage and general classifications for the separate stage articles. Using the example of 1987, the best references are here and here. However, I'd already planned a lot of geography edits, to be getting on with, for the time being. So, I may be away from the TdF articles for some while. Regards, EP111 (talk) 16:09, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
No problem. And thanks for those links - they're very useful. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:18, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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Merseyrail reverts proposed stations[edit]

For my information, why have you reversed my edits, these stations do not exist and as a yardstick they will probably not exist in the next 25 years. So why do you want to include them? Babydoll9799 (talk) 10:48, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

As I mentioned in the edit summary, there is precedent for including proposed stations in the template. That precedent had tacit consensus, (i.e. WP:SILENCE) which is a reasonable way to edit on Wikipedia, please read both of those articles which are linked. In essence, a person should prefer to edit by agreement with many others, rather than simply removing something because a person disagrees with one other. You may also like to consider reading the references section of Beechwood railway station (in particular, page 14 of the Core Strategy for Wirral), with regard to discussion of the future existence of that station, which is definitely on the agenda, albeit long-term, and apply a similar procedure for other proposed stations. Another point I'd like to make is that it's worth reading WP:USI before any future deletion of unsourced information (such as this), as it is preferable to leave something or request a citation/reference, if one is unsure, in similar cases. However, one shouldn't overuse the citation needed template. I've referenced Upper Bidston Village as being a part of Beechwood, for your interest, now, so that you can be sure it's true. They're not what I would regard as the best references (I would prefer a written source, rather than a photographic one such as Google Street View or Commons, though a picture says a thousand words), however they should make the point that Upper Bidston Village exists and is within Beechwood, i.e. behind the sign. EP111 (talk) 14:26, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Commons category[edit]

Hi, I see that you've been adding {{commonscat}} to a lot of articles... but please note that it should be placed at the top of the last section. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:57, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello there, I understand that they're to be placed at the top of the External links section (which should be at the bottom, but above footers, per wp:order), otherwise beneath the last section (usually references), if there is no External links section. See Templates for external links, which specifies their inclusion. I won't be altering them, and I don't suppose that there's any need to, as they're in the right place for expansion with external links, if those pages have none - and there's still a lot more to get through. Regards, EP111 (talk) 14:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
See Template:Commons category#Location "... at the top of the last section on the page, if no external links section exists." --Redrose64 (talk) 14:24, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, and that doesn't make any sense, as if there's only one section on the page, with no infobox, they'd be in the very top right corner - and, after going through thousands of articles, I'm yet to see any in that position. It'd save a lot of effort to put them all in the correct position for a completed article, as that would save other editors from having to move them all, eventually. Otherwise, it's creating the huge time-waster of another edit which needs to be done, unnecessarily. Regards once again, EP111 (talk) 14:43, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I've not yet found one of your edits which had no sections, although I've not checked them all. I see that in your first comment above, you mentioned wp:order (which I overlooked last time): that says "box-type templates such as {{Commons}} ... have to be put at the beginning of the last section of the article (which is not necessarily the "External links" section) so that boxes will appear next to, rather than below, the list items"; the section has a link to Wikipedia:Wikimedia sister projects, where that sentence is identical. I have yet to find anything that advocates "otherwise beneath the last section (usually references), if there is no External links section". --Redrose64 (talk) 15:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't wish to discuss this any further, if you don't mind. I'd rather continue editing the articles as I see fit, under the circumstances, which I've made clear as to the path of least work. I have no wish to engage in wikipolitics or bureaucracy. Regards, EP111 (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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Wikimedia genealogy project[edit]

Just wondering if you have any thoughts re: the idea of WMF hosting a genealogy project. If so, feel free to contribute to this discussion. And apologies if I have made this request before. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:31, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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Wee places in Shetland[edit]

I have redirected Brough as it is simply a part of a tiny village, the whole of which has a population of 100 or less.

I am a bit confused by your edits to the Braewicks.

Braewick, North Mainland is really just an outpost of Braehoulland and I am not sure it is worth keeping.
Your move has created the name Braewick, West Mainland. However it is actually east of 'Braewick, North Mainland'. WP:UKPLACE does not have a great deal to say about this but, assuming you think the one in Esha Ness is really needed I'd suggest disambiguating by parish. One is clearly in Northmavine, but the one further east and south I am not sure about - possibly Walls. Ben MacDui 13:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello, with regard to Braewick, West Mainland: I agree that it's slightly east of the other one. However, it does fall within West Mainland, by the map provided and is just slightly west of Aith, as specified (I expect that actually means west of Aith, on the Walls & Sandness peninsula, according to the map). I'd keep both places as notability would fall within WP:GEOLAND as populated, legally recognised places. I've provided the parish in the infobox, for Braewick, West Mainland, it can be referenced at Details of Braewick. This link also has a map and other details on tabs at the right-hand side of the page. Regards, EP111 (talk) 14:20, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
N.b. One other point, with regard to Northmavine: The parish is Northmaven, and the peninsula is Northmavine. I've kept the disambiguation to the broadest area possible, within Mainland, rather than the parish. Regards, EP111 (talk) 14:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I am not over familiar with either very small settlements or parishes but I have a question and a suggestion.
Q. In what way are these tiny settlements "legally recognised places". The only such I am familiar with locally are the communty councils.
Suggestion: I am not at all convinced that calling a settlement "West Mainland" is helpful as I can see no evidence that this is a formal title. This map may be helpful although it is not clear which parishes they are using. They are apparently not the modern civil parishes. Similarly with this map. "Shetland In Statistics 2005" lists the 18 community council areas (p. 54), which may be more definitive. I'd much prefer Braewick, Northmavine (or Northmaven if you prefer) and Braewick, Sandsting as these names locate the settlements more specifically and less ambiguously. Ben MacDui 18:57, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello again, legal recognition can be defined by their being on an Ordnance Survey map, which both Braewicks are, therefore recognised by the government, the legal authority. If you'd like to use the Ordnance Survey Map option on Bing Maps, for example, which is on a dropdown menu on the top left of the Bing Maps page by "Road", you can see both Braewicks. Canmore is a government website, which can also be used to support this recognition, if any additional supporting references are required, as well as ScotlandsPlaces, another government website. You may go with the parishes, if you wish, as I don't particularly mind one way or the other. The PDF link is providing a 404 unfortunately, so I can't offer any comment on it without delving into archive.org and I agree that the other two maps don't provide enough fine detail and appear to be dated. With regard to the parish maps, which I've been using, these can be found as links from Details of Braewick (Sandsting), for instance, through the link on the parish name, and then the map tab on the right. The map can then be zoomed in, to give the outline of the parish to a much finer detail. As far as I'm aware, it uses the latest parishes. Regards, EP111 (talk) 19:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
The appearance of farmhouse, dwelling or cluster of the same on an OS map is not a legal recognition, and I note that Scotland's Places describes Braewick, Northmavine as a "farmstead". There has been a lot of discussion about this in the past with reference to WP:NOT and whilst there are examples of very small settlements with signficant histories (especially where they were cleared in the 19th century) I suspect these are not examples. Ben MacDui 08:13, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I would prefer for this discussion not to be pushed upon me, as I regard it as a misuse of time. I'm here to edit articles, rather than to talk about them. If it's a problem, then it should be altered, rather than discussed - that is within every editor's ability. Subsequently, I do not regard this discussion as necessary. This thread has already encouraged the creation of enough text to write an entire article, and I have little to no interest in bureaucracy. I do not wish to discuss this subject any further. Regards, EP111 (talk) 09:13, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Parishes[edit]

I know you are not keen on lengthy dialogue but as you are appearing on my watch list with considerable regularity and I am not keen on edit wars I thought it best to point out that if you add "civil parish" to the UK infobox it provides a link to Civil parishes in England, a quite different beast to the essentially redundant Civil parishes in Scotland. Community council areas might be more useful. Ben MacDui 16:58, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It's probably best to omit this information for Scotland, because the Scottish community councils, unlike those of Wales and the English parish councils, have no statutory powers. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:19, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
This is something which I'd noticed a while ago, too. So, the point isn't a problem in this instance and I'm actually rather glad that somebody's raised it. I'm generally an abundant inclusionist (I do much prefer it to dialogue!), if things can be reasonably referenced. So, if the idea is worth forwarding, it may be useful for a template editor to update the Template:Infobox UK place to allow for the correct linking of the Scottish civil parishes (i.e. something along the lines of a simple copy & paste adjustment such as "|civil_parish_scotland="), and the community council areas. I expect that both may be useful information in giving each place context, worthy of addition. Regards, EP111 (talk) 18:25, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
P.s. I expect that it's worth a request, now that it's been raised. So, my request for modification of the infobox, to advise my preferred choice of correction of the erroneous link, is here. EP111 (talk) 10:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for doing this - you will see my appended note there about WikiProject Scotland. Ben MacDui 16:23, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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John Cunningham (architect)[edit]

I took it upon myself to expand the article a bit and nominate it for DYK: you can find the nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/John Cunningham (architect). Any suggestions/comments you have are welcome. G S Palmer (talkcontribs) 21:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh wow, thanks for that expansion of John Cunningham (architect). That was quick! I don't know what else I can add to it. Though, I did notice that he'd designed a few important buildings, locally to me in Merseyside, and there was no article for him. EP111 (talk) 09:39, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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Tour de France lists[edit]

Hi EP111, I see you're created many list of teams and cyclist in the Tour de France. Great job! They look very nice :). You inspired me and I started created lists of cyclists at the UCI Road World Championships. When making these list I saw that the sortable column for results is not sorting realy good.. After 1 comes 11, 12 and then 2, 21,22, 3, 31 etc. I saw that the same problem occurs in your lists. If you're going to create more pages, here a tip how you can fix this. If you put at the top of the table !!data-sort-type="number"|Rank in stead of !!Rank it sorts the column by number. However now comes DNF at top of the list. To give them a higher value you can put {{Hs|999}} in front of each DNS, so it gets the number 999. See for instance List of elite cyclists at the 2013 UCI Road World Championships. Happy editing :) Sander.v.Ginkel (Je suis Charlie) 19:54, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, and thanks for the advice! EP111 (talk) 10:29, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
N.b. I'll leave off the adjustment for now, as I'm more concerned with getting all of the pages up. I hope to add any adjustments & additions later, as I'd prefer it to be done in one big job. EP111 (talk) 10:36, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Tour de France start lists[edit]

Hey man, I saw you started making lists for all the pelotons in the Tour and I would like to say nice work! I'm glad to see another person starting to expand the cycling articles on here! I noticed you don't have too many sources so I dropped by to give you links to some online newspapers that will usually have the starting line ups with the numbers and what not. The first, Il Littoriale, El Mundo, and Corriere dello Sport. With Corriere dello Sport you can't just click on the link in the individual years to see the individual papers for some reason. To get around this, I always open a link to another paper from the same site (ex. http://dlib.coninet.it/bookreader.php?&c=1&f=9938&p=2#page/2/mode/2up), then when on the specific year and date you need (ex. for the 1953 Tour de France you'd want the July 3, 1953 edition of the paper) then I click the page and the file won't load the newspaper but the link will, and its url will read (http://dlib.coninet.it/?q=node/6&f=9352&p=1&c=1). You then take the number after the f=, in this case 9352, and put it after the f= in the first link (http://dlib.coninet.it/bookreader.php?&c=1&f=9352&p=2#page/2/mode/2up). Now the newspaper will load. You can also just get the number by hovering over the link and looking at the bottom of your browser. If the paper doesn't have the rosters on the day of the start of the race, sometimes the roster will be in the newspaper a day in advance too. I use all those in my edits with the yearly Giro articles and are solid sources. Hopefully these will be of some help to you and keep up the good work! Disc Wheel (Talk + Tontributions) 22:20, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement and the advice! I've been relying on the letour.fr etc. lists mainly, with additional info, corrections (the official TdF site isn't always as accurate as it could be!) and adjustments from banaan.org etc. and the archived lists of memoire-du-cyclisme.net at archive.org, as well as the Italian and French wikis. Many of the redlinked riders already have good stubs on some of the foreign language wikis, so I hope that people can get translating. I use Bing translator, for this job, mainly, with the urls as http rather than https, as Bing doesn't like them secured for translation. I'm sure that the sources can be added later, as I'm more concerned with getting all of the rider lists, for the TdF, completed at the moment. Regards, EP111 (talk) 12:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Echo what's been said and great work on starting these lists. Thanks! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the positive feedback! Only a few more days to go, now, and the TdF section will have all years added! The individual team tables are still to be included. Though, as things stand, it'll certainly help with giving everyone an idea of how many more teams and riders need new pages. Adding all of the pages for each year's stages (about 200 pages of work) is also something which needs doing eventually, too. If anyone knows of any online pre-1990 startlists for the Giro and the Vuelta, it would be useful, too. Regards, EP111 (talk) 20:17, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for John Cunningham (architect)[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For creating all the Tour de France start lists. That's mighty fine work - can't thank you enough! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! EP111 (talk) 10:07, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Pyrénées-Orientales[edit]

Hi. Thanks a lot for the help on the communes of Pyrénées-Orientales, which is my current working project on WP. I felt a bit quite alone on this subject until now. Poulit (talk) 17:32, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

That's OK. I'm going through each of the departments of France, adding the infobox images, captions and the coats of arms, where available. I hope my work is of good use. Regards, EP111 (talk) 17:35, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

About your (non)participation in the January 2012 SOPA vote[edit]

Hi EP111. I am Piotr Konieczny (User:Piotrus), you may know me as an active content creator (see my userpage), but I am also a professional researcher of Wikipedia. Recently I published a paper (downloadable here) on reasons editors participated in Wikipedia's biggest vote to date (January 2012 WP:SOPA). I am now developing a supplementary paper, which analyzes why many editors did not take part in that vote. Which is where you come in :) You are a highly active Wikipedian (45th to be exact), and you were active back during the January 2012 discussion/voting for the SOPA, yet you did not chose to participate in said vote. I'd appreciate it if you could tell me why was that so? For your convenience, I prepared a short survey at meta, which should not take more than a minute of your time. I would dearly appreciate you taking this minute; not only as a Wikipedia researcher but as a fellow content creator and concerned member of the community (I believe your answers may help us eventually improve our policies and thus, the project's governance). PS. If you chose to reply here (on your userpage), please WP:ECHO me. Thank you! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:55, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

@Piotrus: The vote was three years ago, and I don't recall it. Most of my editing has taken place since then. Regards, EP111 (talk) 17:16, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for taking time to reply to me, I appreciate it. Do you have any opinion on the other questions - about whether we, Wikipedians, are well informed about such votes/discussions? -Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:52, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
@Piotrus: Yes, in general, I think that we are well informed about such votes occurring. This is with particular regard to the banners, which are prominent, at each opportunity to vote. Whether or not we are well-informed about which side to vote for, I have no immediate opinion. EP111 (talk) 18:08, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Leonid Gozman[edit]

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@Mike Peel: Thanks for the info. I'll know closer to the time, if I'm able to attend the Liverpool meeting. Regards, EP111 (talk) 09:48, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

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Inadequacies[edit]

G'day, opining that a reason is inadequate is not calling a person inadequate - otherwise I would be justified in thinking that you had attacked me by saying my reason for removal of that sentence was inadequate. Or did you think that I was saying that your reasoning was inadequate? I can assure you that was not what I meant. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 11:26, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

@YSSYguy: If it's any help, the implication was that my reasoning was inadequate. I find also that WP:CIVIL is quite central to one's own and everybody else's wellbeing, as well as WP:NPA. If my original comment on Talk:Germanwings Flight 9525#Disputed removal of a sentence can be re-read, I'm willing for the link to the Lufthansa accidents to be removed, but not necessarily the sentence. I certainly think that Carsten Spohr's statement is relevant, somewhere in the article. EP111 (talk) 11:35, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
There was no such implication from my side; this is why the written word is so inadequate compared to actual speech - meanings are inferred by one party that the other in no way intended. As far as I can tell, you said you thought I had not properly justified the removal of the sentence. I have attempted to explain my reasons fully there. For what it's worth, I genuinely can't see why Herr Spohr's comment helps anyone to understand the event - any more than Prince Andrew's "statistically a jumbo jet had to fall on a town and kill lots of people sooner or later" comment after the Lockerbie disaster - and I can't see that WP reporting the comment helps at all either; it seems to me Spohr was almost babbling when he said that. Cheers again Would it be acceptable to say the England World Cup cricket team was inadequate? YSSYguy (talk) 12:06, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
@YSSYguy: "...this is why the written word is so inadequate compared to actual speech - meanings are inferred by one party that the other in no way intended...", I wholeheartedly agree. I would consider Spohr's statement to be one tiny piece of context, that's all - and Wikipedia loves context. Anyhow, everyone's already written more than enough over one sentence, whichever way it goes. I'd rather crack on with editing articles, instead of spending time on talk pages. I don't particularly follow ball games, I prefer cycling. Regards, EP111 (talk) 12:22, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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Abbeville[edit]

Thanks for your translation and expansion of the Abbeville article. Whereas, the expansion is assuredly needed and appreciated, I had two points to make or maybe questions or whatever they are but anyway. First, I know that it benefits us monolingual English editors and readers of the Wiki if, on these foreign articles, the editors and contributors/translators can provide as many English references as possible. Second, when you are done if you can let me know, I will, if you have not already, tighten up the references (standardize, expand, etc.). I want to first reiterate the appreciation for the work involved and in no way am I desiring to belittle or trivialize your work. For the first point, I understand on a foreign article, and in particular, one translated from the foreign wiki, that some or most of the references may be only in the foreign tongue. If, however, the English can be found it would help. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Citing_non-English_sources. Second point, I have no issue fixing the ref's. I enjoy seeing an article in tight clean format with full citations and easy to verify information as much as is possible, as do I am sure most editors. If you plan or planned on doing this, please do not take my inference as an insult, as I merely try to improve and, only if needed, educate or remind others of things that are forgotten by editors, myself included. Again, thanks for the hard work. speednat (talk) 03:07, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

@Speednat: That's not a problem. Though, I'm uncertain as to whether many refs could be found in English, as they're quite obscure in many cases. We may have to tolerate the French references for a good while longer. I expect to be able to get round to tidying the French references up a bit, once I've translated all of the text for the 2015 Tour de France departure and finishing places which require significant expansion (i.e. more than about 20,000 bytes to be added). I have about three or four places to go. In particular, Amiens, Rennes and Vannes. I won't be touching Le Havre or Paris, as they're too big for me to consider going over them with a toothcomb whilst merging them and, with a quick scan, they're essentially complete from the French versions, anyway. This is before I'm likely to take another look at tidying the references for the translations which I've already done. I've already put a pointer in the edit summary of each article, for which I've finished translating the main text. I am, however, taking a break from it for a day or two, as I've been going at it for several months, non-stop, and I'm beginning to suffer the old endurance problem of "hitting the wall", a bit. My intention is to do as clean a translation as I can from the foreign language version of the article, and provide the references and formatting in the correct locations. This should, essentially, provide completely transparent work and, thereby, reduce any possible source for conflict. Regards, EP111 (talk) 00:09, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
@EP111:Thanks, just let me know if you want me to jump in and work on the ref's. Otherwise I will let you do your thing, until I see for sure that you are done. I like to avoid the edit conflict scenario where data ends up being lost. And..I totally understand the lack of English sources. Just that "if" they are there, and I am sure most of the article will have mainly French sources for all but the barest of facts, except things associated with the archaelogical side of the area. Thanks againspeednat (talk) 00:48, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
@Speednat: You're welcome to jump straight in on translating the reference links and filling the references with the {{cite}} template (I use Citation Style 1 templates, usually), checking that they're live, and adding the accessdates and archiveurls where appropriate, on any articles where I've finished translating the main text. Regards, EP111 (talk) 01:18, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

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Great work[edit]

Amazing work on the previews of the TdF stages, congrats! It bodes well for the race. Face-grin.svg Mattsnow81 (Talk) 21:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

@Mattsnow81: Thanks! You may also appreciate my sizeable work, earlier in the year, on the historical start lists at Template:Grand Tour (cycling) squads. I've also spent much time doing as good a translation as I can of most of the start/finish communes from the French versions, too (Amiens is a rather large article now). EP111 (talk) 21:59, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
That is totally crazy! How many startlists did you do??? I am feeling small with my latest work, the 2015 Tour de Suisse, which is the topic of much discussion on WP:ITN about notability. At least people say it's not a bad article. Did you plan on writing the TdF stages? Mattsnow81 (Talk) 22:06, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
@Mattsnow81: How many? Probably getting on for about seventy lists. Though, I did have plenty of time to do it. I did plan on the doing the stages, as I did similar for the stages last year. The lists were a Winter afterthought! EP111 (talk) 22:13, 24 June 2015 (UTC)