User talk:E Con211

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Welcome[edit]

Welcome!

Hello, E Con211, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially what you did for List of Carlton Football Club players. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! Jenks24 (talk) 06:33, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

New player articles[edit]

G'day Mr Con211, just wanted to say well done on the two new articles you wrote today. I've added some templates and categories and will clean up some of the refs. However, please note that some people take the WP:NSPORTS notability guidelines as meaning that players who have not yet played at AFL level aren't notable enough to have articles about them. I generally believe that if there is some significant coverage (ie not just a brief mention) in independent (ie not the club website) reliable sources (not a forum etc) then it meets the WP:GNG and can remain. In general I avoid writing articles on new recruits until they are named to play a premiership season game. If you want to help out, then there are plenty of older players that are redlinks on List of Carlton Football Club players that you could create. References like AFL tables and Trove for pre-1955 newspaper articles or google news archives for some scanned version of The Age in the 1970s/80s can be useful to learn more about players from previous eras. The-Pope (talk) 14:10, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

- OK thanks for the advice, I might check out some older players from the 70s or 60s and just give some of them who played a decent amount of games a bio. Sorry I didnt know that I should wait until they've been named in a game. Sam Rowe is likely to play a fair bit and I guess I'm just excited about Bootsma, I make sure I only give guys who have started playing articles from now on. E Con

FYI, I've encountered the same problem in the past - and although I don't particularly agree with the notability guidelines that The-Pope alluded to, I put up with them. But, as a result, I have pre-written articles ready to be copied-and-pasted for all of the Carlton players who are currently on the list but haven't played a game. Aspirex (talk) 03:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

February 2012[edit]

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Yeah sorry I was fiddling around and I clicked save instead of preview. Sorry about that. I might just practice some more stuff in the sandbox from now on. E_Con211

Proposed deletion of Mark Amos[edit]

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I just inserted some reliable refernces, please don't delete it! User:E_Con211

Nomination of Mark Amos for deletion[edit]

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I don't understand why it might be deleted, I immediately added refernces to the page immediately after I first created it. User:E_Con211

Don't worry about it[edit]

Hey. Just dropping by to say don't worry about your article being nominated for deletion – it's the other editors who are in the wrong, not you. You're free to take part in the deletion discussion if you want (it's at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Amos). These sort of discussions normally last seven days, but because this is such an open-and-shut case (played in the VFL/AFL = notable) it might be closed earlier. I hope this doesn't discourage you from creating new articles, but to avoid this happening in future, it's always best to have a few references in the article when you create it because there are some editors who will jump all over an unreferenced article even if it's only a few minutes old (though why it was again nominated for deletion after you added references I'll never know). Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 03:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

You definitely did nothing wrong, but there are somethings you could do better. try to avoid publishing partially complete articles - use the preview button or save it to your sandbox and then move it when the article has sufficient context and refs. Have a look at the categories and reference formating that Jenks24 and I have added to your articles and try to copy it. We were all new here once and I look back at some of my first edits with some embarrassment! Keep it up -think of this as the NAB cup period! The-Pope (talk) 05:08, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

OK thanks for the encouragement guys, i've only made 5 articles but its my goal for every Carlton player in history to have an article on him, hopefully some more wikipedians will help me out with this rather huge task. User:E_Con211

Good luck with that... a quick redlink count using WP:AWB comes up with 529 more to go! <schoolteacher mode>Now I'm not going to touch Daryl Gutterson, so please add the categories, talk page WikiProject templates and format the refs better (to avoid duplication of refs, use the named refs function). Try to avoid only using blueseum as a ref - as it is contribution based, ie like a wiki, some people may not consider it a reliable source, even though we know that they are very diligent about getting it right. Don't forget to add the stats link. This is an open book exam, you are ENCOURAGED to copy other people's work (it's the easiest way to learn how things work) and there is no deadline (but as you've seen today, other editors might not be as generous!) For your 2nd task, work out how you get yourself into Category:Wikipedian Carlton Blues fans. Have fun! The-Pope (talk) 13:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I think it might be difficult for me to not use Blueseum because for many players it is literally the only place where there is any background info on them. Oh and User:The-Pope would you mind just showing me on this chat page how to correctly format references so they don't duplicate and displayed correctly. Cheers. User:E_Con211

It is OK to use, but try to find another source as well. Searching the archives of google news finds quite a few scanned copies of The Age from the 1970s and 80s and for pre-1955 stuff, the trove service at www.nla.gov.au (ie http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=carlton+football) is virtually complete in it's coverage. Otherwise books or even the Carlton website or modern newspapers might have some mentions of older players. Use dates and info from Blueseum to narrow down your search for when the automatic text recognition isn't that good. For the refs, read Wikipedia:Inline_citation#Ref_tags, or like I suggested, copy what I did at Graham Gilchrist. The-Pope (talk) 10:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:2013–14 Football League Cup[edit]

Please see Talk:2013–14 Football League Cup. GiantSnowman 13:47, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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