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Ottawa high schools[edit]

I have created a test case for putting school contents by district at Ottawa-Carleton district school board. Why I have done this is explained further on my user page. Anyway, I recall that there were a number of Ottawa area high schools deleted and also that you may have had a hand in them. I would appreciate it if you would put the information that was removed in the district article, where I doubt that anyone will have a problem with it. Thanks, The Steve 14:46, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Canadian election wikiproject?[edit]

Hi there. I know that you are a regular contributor to Canadian election topics, and I was wondering if you thought it would be a good idea to create a Wikiproject to standardize some of these articles? --timc | Talk 02:51, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Make sure to refer to, and expand, Wikipedia:election and make note of best practices there. When you standardize try to copy the best practices identified in existing articles. It always makes more sense to copy the aspects of articles that they uniquely do best, than to try to come up with one template or straitjacket. Election coverage will always evolve, so just make note of what each article is doing well, so the next election can copy it.

Liberal election results[edit]

Geez you're fast. Thanks for completing this table. Will you be doing the other parties? Regards, Kevintoronto 22:22, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I probably will eventually. Earl Andrew 22:31, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If it would help, I could e-mail you the spreadsheets I've been using. Also, I don't know if we really need to put in the recent election at the bottom of the national table as you've just done for 1972 -- after all, all of the elections are now in a box at the top of each article, and the preceding and following are at the bottom of the article, so putting these in a third time seems like overkill, doesn't it? Regards, Kevintoronto 22:58, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Regional Municipalities[edit]

Just to clarify, what I'm not clear on is why you would move Sudbury and Hamilton-Wentworth, but leave Ottawa-Carleton and Haldimand-Norfolk as RM of Name. I also have to point out that if "most common name" is a valid criterion, having grown up there I can unequivocally vouch for the fact that Sudbury RM was never used; it was always RM of Sudbury. I know the same pertains in Ottawa; if you purposely left Ottawa as RMOC because that was the more commonly used designation, then Sudbury definitely falls in the same category. (If you just left it because it slipped your mind, though, then I have to admit that I don't really care as long as a consistent rule -- either "most common name" or strict "Name Regional Municipality" -- is applied. Switching one but leaving the other is the part that actually bugs me about it.) Bearcat 01:28, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Gheeeze. That was ages ago. Ya could've said something before now, eh? Bearcat 03:58, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
There is a need to deal with the fact that borders of places change when they become "regional municipalities". That is, the placed called "Toronto" in 1997 is not the placed called "Toronto" in 2000. See m:spacetime DTD for some related issues.

License ?[edit]

HI, could you tell me the license of Image:Quemtl3.PNG ? thanks in advance. Tipiac 11:04, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Someone used also Image:Hack.jpg on french, I added the tag GFDL, like for the previous pic. Thank you for theses pics. Tipiac 23:09, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
And did the same for Image:Curlingshoes.jpg Tipiac 23:10, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
And the same for Image:Curlingsheet.jpg . If there's a problem, just tell me. Tipiac 23:11, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Again one : Image:Curlingscore.jpg Tipiac 23:13, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
and Image:Curlingrock.jpg
more Image:Quehcn.PNG Image:Quelam.PNG Image:Quelav.PNG Image:Quelaj.PNG Image:Quelhy.PNG Image:Quelmt.PNG Image:Queljc.PNG Squallwc 07:40, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hello! Thanks for uploading Image:BROOlogo.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) Thanks! Schissel 00:39, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

RFC pages on VfD[edit]

Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:37, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

eh? Earl Andrew 03:39, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image copyrights[edit]

Hi! Thanks for uploading Image:Ottawacoa.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, Edwin Stearns | Talk 18:32, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Unverified images[edit]

Hi! Thanks for uploading the following images:

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 04:30, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.



  • File:Bouvier tree.PNG seems to be outdated according to its talk page, and it doesn't have any source/copy information. Did you make it?

your are right these shananigans must stop about Belinda Stronach[edit]

That user( social democratic out of the Belinda Stronach page but I put it back but SimonP won't stop the editing I even reason with him but he won't stop. In Newmarket-Aurora most moderate, socially progressive and social democratic voters did voted for Belinda Stronach and some people hope that Belinda will walk across the floor to the NDP not only that Belinda will keep the NDP sharply to the left but a better vote turn out for the NDP by next election. There is a strong posabilaty if Belinda is in the NDP Cabinent Then Jack Layton will be the Leader of the opposition or maybe Prime Minister (A 1st in the history for the NDP)- michaelm.

As much as I like Belinda for social progressiveness, I cannot possibly see her crossing the floor to the NDP. As much as I like the NDP, I'd rather see her climb to the top of the Conservative Party and become leader some day and eventually Prime Minister. If you have any proof of your claims, I would like to see them. Earl Andrew 19:48, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ok Earl Andrew Belinda is not happy with the Conservatives and she should not trust Stephen Harper and the Conservative caucus. Belindas views,ideas and her values are more like a social democrat. And she is thinking about crossing the floor to the NDP. Jack Layton need her in the NDP caucus like yesterday - michaelm

Do you have any proof of this? Earl Andrew 06:31, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Not yet but Keep an eye on the news media Belinda Stronach will walk a cross the floor to the NDP.

Well when she does, we will change the page for sure. Earl Andrew 06:57, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

would you please unlock the Belinda Stronach page the truth must come out - michaelm

It is not time yet to make such a move. Earl Andrew 08:46, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Category:The Greatest Canadian[edit]

I was just in the process of de-populating this category, and I thought my bot was malfunctioning, but then I noticed that you were reverting the edits. This category was listed on WP:CFD and approved for deletion, presumably because it duplicates the list in the article The Greatest Canadian, which is annotated. If you want this category kept for some reason, you will need to bring it up there. If it's safe for me to go ahead and de-populate it, please leave me a message. Thanks! -- Beland 00:52, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The discussion on [[WP:CFD] was deleted in the normal course of cleanup and de-listing. I have restored it so you can read others' comments. -- Beland 01:08, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Category:Coastal towns of Canada[edit]

Hi! I see that you have created a Canadian subcategory for Category:Coastal towns but Montrealais and I have noticed several issues with many of the communities being added to this subcategory. I will highlight two which I feel are misleading:

  • Many of the communities being added to this subcategory are not "towns".

The following examples from the subcategory are cities: Charlottetown, Sydney and Campbellton. Similarly Chester is a village, and Falmouth is not even a town (although the author of the article stated it is a village) but in fact is a "dispersed rural community".

  • Many of the communities being added to this subcategory are not situated on Canada's three coasts.

I realize that many people now refer to the Great Lakes as being Canada's (or the United States') "fourth coast" (mostly as it relates to shipping, the St. Lawrence Seaway, and the marketing efforts of lakeshore communities) and even the Wikipedia article on coast states that a large lake may have a "coast", but I have found very few geoscientists who support this notion. I had read that NOAA apparently introduced the term for the Great Lakes as a means for some of their scientists to qualify for additional federal research funding, but that is purely conjecture. The problem here is defining what is a "large" lake - the issue could become very subjective, depending on one's particular locale.

To keep things objective, The Concise Oxford English Dictionary defines a coast as 1. the part of the land adjoining or near the sea. Some other definitions can be found at Global Oceans.

I would suggest that communities downriver of Trois-Rivières on the St. Lawrence River could be considered both coastal and riverine, however the only communities in southern Quebec that are truly coastal are those on the south coast of the Gaspé peninsula (ie. on Bay of Chaleur), communities on the Magdalen Islands, and communities on the Côte-Nord that are east of Sept-Îles (or possibly Havre-St-Pierre). Obviously communities situated directly on Hudson, James and Ungava bays are all coastal as well.

The Great Lakes is a bit murkier, given the fact that someone has included large lakes along with oceans for the definition of a coast. At any rate, the only Ontario communities that can be considered having ocean coasts that I can think of are obviously all situated on Hudson/James Bay: Moosonee, Moose Factory, possibly Galeton, Fort Albany, Kashechewan, Attawapiskat, possibly Lake River, possibly Peawanuck, and Fort Severn.

I would suggest that for Ontario communities located on the shores of the Great Lakes (and those communities in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota), it would be best to create a category called "Towns on Great Lakes shorelines" or something to that effect. I also wouldn't mind seeing the source that the author/editor of the coast article used for adding large lakes into the mix since so many reference sources only assign the definition with respect to oceans, but that's another issue entirely...

Cheers, Plasma east 04:47, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Thank you for uploading the above image. It is currently tagged {{unverified}}. Can you please tag with the appropriate copyright notice and cite the source if possible. Thanks, EyeBall 18:56, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thousands of images have no copyright tags. You can help!

Image tag[edit]

Hi! Thanks for uploading the following images:

I notice they currently don't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to each to let us know their copyright status?

You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, and so on. Click here for a list of the various tags.

If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the image from, and I'll tag it for you. Thanks so much. Denni 04:23, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at Wikipedia:Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

Source images[edit]

What raw data/images are you using to generate arbitrary maps of BC with? Roleypolinde 03:36, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Your Yukon map[edit]

I am very impressed by your Yukon map of November 26th. I have tried creating some maps of my own. But I would like to learn how to make better maps. Can you give some hints for what tools and techniques you used on that map? Thanks, and congratulations. Geo Swan 20:05, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Like the above user, I was impressed by Image:Britishempire1921.PNG. Could you please let us know how you created it? I'd like if you could make a map of all regions which were at some point in their history governed from London. Nicholas 19:22, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I did my own version, and re-uploaded yours to Commons:
Nicholas 01:09, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Manitoba riding names[edit]

Earl: Unless you have any strong objections, I plan to revert the Russell and Assiniboia pages to their previous titles. (There used to be a provincial riding in Ontario called Russell, and I believe there was a riding in Saskatchewan called Assiniboia -- simply calling the Manitoba ridings "provincial electoral districts" doesn't quite cover all bases). I think there might be a similar problem with Springfield and St. Johns ...

(Thanks for catching the Swan River title, though.) CJCurrie 05:37, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Hello. Just thought I'd let you know you forgot to include California on that map. California now as a marriage equivalent under a domestic partnership. lol It's pretty much the same exact thing.

The map may have an error in South America. There is a dark-blue 'country' (?) just to the north of Uruguay. Does this mean that a part of Brazil has adopted same-sex unions, or is that an error as I think it may be?

Edit summary[edit]

Hello. Please provide an edit summary. Thanks and happy edits. Hyacinth 02:28, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Mississauga, Ontario[edit]

Thanks for providing the infobox, it looks great. silsor 05:11, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

Quicky political request[edit]

Hey EA. Might I trouble you for a quicky move... Liberal Party of British Columbia to British Columbia Liberal Party. The latter is the registered name at Elections BC, and a past edit to fiddle with redirects on the BCLP page is preventing a quick fix on my part.

Thanks in advance -The Tom 03:20, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi Earl: I'm glad I read to the end of the page first. I'd like to use a copy of your Manitoba map and mark on it Manitoba Hydro generating stations and the Nelson River Bipole transmission lines. Do you see any concerns here? It's probably easier to use your map than try to get permission to use the map included in the MH annual report, which I'll use as a reference. (Of course I'll identify the map source)

  --Wtshymanski 03:51, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

PEI seating plan[edit]

Are you sure the Govt sits on the left in PEI?

Yes, I am positive. PEI and Newfoundland in fact. Earl Andrew 21:56, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You wouldn't happen to have a copy of the seating plans do you?

No, but you may try their websites. I can be certain though, as I recall it when PEI had their last election (they specifically mentioned it) and when I quizzed my father, he knew the answer because he remembered it from when he went to PEI. Earl Andrew 22:04, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Canadian electoral districts: source?[edit]

I had been putting Template:Unreferenced tags on new articles without them, saw a pile of these and then realised it would be more efficient to come to your talk page and ask you to put sources on articles (as per Wikipedia:Cite sources directly :-) Do please continue with this series, of course! - David Gerard 03:21, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Because everything should by default (even if refs are nothing like as common as they should be), and it's good practice in general, as per Wikipedia:Cite sources. Imagine someone putting in bogus information - a checkable, verifiable reference is a vital tool - David Gerard 03:29, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

ACCIDENTAL vandalism[edit]

I destroyed by mistake the English version of page ATC code A02 (overwrite to translate into french; I tought I was in the French section.
Please restore the previous English version
I am very sorry

Eras-mus 23:46, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bob Wood[edit]

Just FYI...the Bob Wood who was at Bob Wood (Ontario provincial politician) isn't the same Bob Wood referenced in Nipissing (electoral district); I've had to re-disambiguate them. Bearcat 01:18, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Canadian postal code lists[edit]

Hey, Earl! That was a great idea you came up with, matching neighbourhoods to forward sortation areas. If you have not noticed yet, I took your idea and applied it to the FSAs in Vancouver, B.C. Nice! Denelson83 03:26, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes I did notice, good job! Earl Andrew 03:37, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
So, you gonna finish giving the M's the neighbourhood treatment? Denelson83 07:45, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Denelson83 09:28, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Never mind. I finished it myself. ;) Denelson83 19:09, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Todd Staffaroni[edit]

Any particular reason why you consider the Todd Staffaroni link on Curling to be "suspicious"? A quick Google turns him up on several lists of "famous curlers"... Alfvaen 19:07, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

You're right, it does seem that any page that lists Todd Staffaroni does have the exact same list of players as on the Wikipedia page. On first blush I thought that the Wiki article writer had used one of those as the source, but it could have been the other way around. I don't have any personal knowledge of the existence, and certainly Kerry Burtnyk, for instance, shows up on a lot more pages. The only legit page with Staffaroni is , so he might be a real curler but not a real famous curler. Alfvaen 04:44, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)



I happened to be at the Billings Bridge Transitway Station the other day, and took a photo. I now discover I probably shouldn't have bothered because you already added pictures to that article. However I do feel my picture, seen on the right, turned out somewhat better better than the ones that are there now. Mostly this is just because I was there on a bright and sunny day. Would you object if I replaced one of your photos? - SimonP 14:13, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

Cumberland Ontario[edit]

That site is wrong. They were called "Municipality of Cumberland" up until amalgamation because they could never inc as a City because they didn't have the population, and felt that marketing themselves as a "Township" was bad to attract new residents. So they changed their name. Spinboy 07:35, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Student Groups[edit]

When you have a second, if you have a second, could you glance over Canadian Federation of Students and Canadian Alliance of Student Associations? I'm looking for a second opinion for an NPOV check. Thanks. --Spinboy 07:45, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Federal elections charts[edit]

I’d like to get some consensus on what to do about colours in the elections charts, but I don’t want to get into a revert war, so I’m asking people to express their opinions here before any changes are made. Since you have contributed to these pages, I’m inviting your comments. I am initiating this discussion because some of the colours that are currently being used are too dark for some monitors so that it is difficult to read the text. The point of adding colours to the charts is to make it easier for readers to derive information from the charts. This goal is foiled by using colours dark enough to obscure the text. The Wikipedia style guide is clear on the issue:

Use colour sparingly. Computers and browsers vary: you cannot know how much colour is presented on the recipient's machine if any. Wikipedia is international: colours have different meaning in different cultures. Too many colours on one page make them look cluttered and unencyclopedic. Use the colour red only for alerts and warnings.

So let’s choose some colours that are light enough that red Wilkilinked text and blue Wikilinked text are both easy to read through.

Please join the discussion at: Talk:Canadian federal election results since 1867. Thanks, Kevintoronto 17:23, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have set up a voting scheme at Talk:Canadian federal election results since 1867, and would like your views. Regards, Kevintoronto 22:36, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion[edit]

You're welcome. (I'm an ex-Ottawan, so these things interest me.) Samaritan used to keep the Canadian VfD list up-to-date, but he hasn't been around for a while. I think he was flamed pretty badly. I hope that he hasn't left us because of that. I may try to scan the VfD list to tkae over that job, but I don't know if I have the patience for it. Kevintoronto 19:25, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Carleton University Students' Association[edit]

I was wondering if perhaps we can collaborate on this? It desperately needs help so it doesn't end up on vfd. In reards to your thanks, you are welcome. I know how you feel. --Spinboy 05:08, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

No, I'm a student at Athabasca University but I live in Ottawa. I think I created the article. But I can't find much on Google about the CUSA. Are you a CU student? --Spinboy 05:33, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I was poking around their website, but I didn't find any useful information. --Spinboy 21:07, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Scott Tournament of Hearts[edit]

That was one hell of a shot for Manitoba, huh? I was rooting for Ontario, but I liked what I saw from the Manitoba team. Both teams had some cute curlers, though. ;) Curling rocks! —Mar·ka·ci:2005-02-28 01:24 Z

2005 World Women's Curling Championship[edit]

Got your comment. I didn't realize that the qualifying in the ECC only qualified the country and not necessarily the team. I updated the list to agree with [1], but the ones that are listed there appear to be the same as the ones that won in the ECC. Sweden, Norway, Scotland, and China are the ones that aren't listed there (along with the US and Canada, but I do know who qualified in those). --timc | Talk 01:21, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

WP:RM[edit] has suggested a number of moves. To which you have replied on both the WP:RM pages and the talk pages. In line with the consensus reached on [[WP:RM] (see WP:RM straw poll) I have moved your comments from the WP:RM page to the talk page. To make it easy for the administrator to decided on the consensus (or lack of it) please state Opposed (or Support) in the first section on the talk pages. At the moment you seem to be Opposed by you have not stated that in an easy to read format. Sorry to be a pain, but this is a new procedure and we are still working out the wrinkles Philip Baird Shearer 11:44, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

election 1988[edit]

The image you made for the election page that shows the Hof C after the election may inaccurate if you're trying to show the seating. I have made an alterate and put it in the talk page. It may not be perfect but I believe it may be better. Please tell me what you think. talk e1988

MS123 22:31, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wiki meetup[edit]

I'm still debating that, but considering it's Easter weekend (which I forgot about,) I'm thinking of cancelling it. What do you think? You can also contact me via the contact organizer feature. We should seek out all Ottawa Wikipedians and leave a note on their talk page about the Meetup. --Spinboy 20:32, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

So far I think we'll go ahead, unless something changes, and if it does, you'll get an email. *Goes to find every Wikipedian from Ottawa.* --Spinboy 20:46, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I found quite a few on the Wikipedians/Canada board, and left notes on their talk pages. I also left a note on the Canadian Wikipedians Notice Board. Thanks for the list, I'll head on there next. --Spinboy 21:39, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Notes posted on all those talk pages. :-) --Spinboy 22:10, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Anywhere else you can think of to advertise the meetup? --Spinboy 22:22, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I did. --Spinboy 22:36, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
My french is pretty bad, how is yours? --Spinboy 22:43, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Can you read and write it well enough to search the French Wikipedia? --Spinboy 22:51, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Messages left. Thanks dudette. :-) --Spinboy 23:20, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

So far Jord has joined, but he can't come this weekend as he's out of town. So far seems like this might work. We'll see how many sign up in the next few days. --Spinboy 01:08, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the new name! We have 2 so far for Sat, you and me, Jord is a maybe so far. I'm really excited to meet you. --Spinboy 03:46, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes Earl, all the details are on the meetup site. --Spinboy 04:55, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
We'll be flirting with all the cute guys in the bookstore. Do you use any of them IM programs? --Spinboy 05:58, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)


I printed up a table-top sign for the meetup. Now just to get people out there. :-) --Spinboy 23:22, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Gay rights worldwide[edit]

I noticed the map you created concerning the legal status of gays and gay unions worldwide here, on the commons. Would you mind updating it, now that California has civil unions? I know that you'll have to update it soon for Canada anyway, but it's nice to be current. See Same sex marriage for more info. Thank you for your time -- if you can't do it, I'll ask someone else with more expertise editing images than I! --Zantastik 06:04, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

More schools on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion[edit]

As of March 25, 2005, there are an additional (6) articles listed for deletion under the POV notion that schools are non-notable (even though this is invalid reasoning as per the Wikipedia deletion policy). Please be aware that the following schools are actively being discussed and voted upon:

In response to this cyclical ordeal, a Schoolwatch programme has been initiated in order to indentify school-related articles which may need improvement and to help foster and encourage continued organic growth. Your comments are welcome and I thank you again for your time. --GRider\talk

three-letter codes[edit]

I'm not sure why you mention IOC codes, most of the usages of these templates are in political articles, eg European parliament pages.

I'd actually suggest going to full spelled-out names, eg Template:CROATIA, to make it foolproof and for maximum flexibility.

See the discussion at User_talk:Aris_Katsaris#Three-letter_templates.

-- Curps 06:28, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

PS, your "do not post below this line" is not very convenient if you use the standard "+" tab to add a comment. -- Curps 06:29, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How is typing {{PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA}} any longer than typing [[People's Republic of China]] ? It's the exact same thing, except uppercased and using curly braces instead of brackets.

Remember, the only places we'd use the templates are places where we're replacing the existing text. So this is the exact same number of bytes. -- Curps 06:47, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The problems with three-letter codes of any kind are:

  • the average ordinary Wikipedia editor will not be familiar with them, no matter which standard we use. This means only elite editors in the know will be able to edit articles that use these frankly cryptic codes. Not a problem for you or me, but think of the average user.
  • some will conflict with existing usages, like Template:IND for subways
  • no one organization that invents three-letter codes will supply all the ones we might eventually need. What if we want to add flags to the list of states of Germany, at Germany#States? What if we want flags of all the provinces of Canada, in an article on Canadian elections? These are all perfectly plausible uses. -- Curps 06:58, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, five-letter codes are still a problem, because they'd be our invention and therefore completely non-standard. Do we really want to force everyone who wants to edit an article to memorize our list of five-letter codes... this is a big barrier to the fundamental principle of "anyone can edit Wikipedia". The Wikipedia community at large would probably object to this, and revert our changes. -- Curps 07:09, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Uh, do we not want what? To try to prevent others from editing Wikipedia? I'm not sure I'm following you. -- Curps 07:12, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I read the wrong thing. Earl Andrew 07:14, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, actually, I think this might need to be proposed to the Wikipedia community at large before it's widely implemented. I believe Wikipedia:Village pump (news) is the standard place for announcing new templates. I do anticipate there could very well be objections to the perceived cryptic nature of three-letter or five-letter codes. The idea of including flags is a cool one, but it's the specific implementation that people might object to. This probably needs some wider input and consensus. -- Curps 07:26, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Election maps[edit]

I have made two maps for the Manitoba election 2003 and the Yukon 2002, and I believe that the maps you have map are much better. I would like to request that you recreate the two maps that I have made so that they reach a higher standard. MS123

Thankyou for doing this, however I'm wondering if you like the colours I chose for the PC's on the Manitoba map. MS123

Thanks, it looks pretty good. Do you plan on doing pre 1999 ontario elections anytime soon? MS123

I dunno, they'd be something I'd like to see. If you don't want to put alot of effort into it(because it probably takes a long time) and you can get the maps, you can post it and I can finish them. MS123

Subnational entities[edit]

Papua (Indonesian province) -> Papua Province[edit]

as one of the participants of Subnational entity project I would like you to vote on Talk:Papua (Indonesian province). There were several discussions before but now I brought in the new fact that the overwhelming majority of subdivisions use non-bracket disambig if needed. regards Tobias Conradi 06:12, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Italy: Province of X -> X Province[edit]

I do not see why provinces of Italy are something special, to be treated different to 99% of the subdivisions worldwide. Currently for the move there is Support:Oppose:Neutral = 1:1:1 . Maybe you can have a look at Talk:Provinces of Italy regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 23:12, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nice work[edit]

WikiCookie for you!

Hi. I thought I'd write to say you did a great job making Image:Gaymap.PNG. Sure, your colour scheme was a bit over-fluorescent, but the hard work shows. You receive a WikiCookie.

Incidentally, I do not remember running into you in the course of editing Wikipedia, but apparently you've been a sysop longer than me. Do you not visit the #Wikipedia IRC channel, and if not, why not? - Mark 08:15, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Great job![edit]

Spinboygift.jpg --Spinboy 05:34, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Three revert rule[edit]

You have been blocked for 24 hours under the three revert rule. If you wish to appeal please contact another administrator or the mailing list.Geni 22:36, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

To quote from WP:3RR "Administrators blocked under this provision must not unblock themselves." I susgest you stay very quite unless you want to be involved in the stupidest arbcom case everGeni 23:15, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The 3RR applies to pretty much everything (exception are vanderlism and posibly your user page). As a general rule I assume admins have a vague knowlage of policy. Well you seem to think that arbcom should have a roll here and I'm not going to dissagree I'm in the process of opening a case.Geni 09:54, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I saw you unblocked yourself. Whatever you do, don't do that again. You can appeal to other admins and the mailing list as Geni said. Using your admin powers to undo a block on yourself is specifically forbidden by policy. Mgm|(talk) 12:10, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

I'm an extremely busy person on Wikipedia, with lots of projects open. I cannot afford to be blocked for even one minute, I am sorry if I broke policy, but I feel not being blocked is more beneficial to Wikipedia. I do not have time to appeal to other Wikipedians. -- Flag of Canada.svg Earl Andrew - talk 17:42, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
That sounds like a very unhealthy attitude to take; I highly doubt your edits are more important than anyone else's. I still agree with other admins by saying that you could have just asked someone else to unblock you, via IRC or the mailing list. Just about everyone would have. If you seriously believe you can't stand to be blocked for a minute, maybe that's your cue to take a Wikibreak and get back into reality a little bit. Mike H 21:42, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

No no, my edits are not more important as other people's edits. However, it is the principal of the action. Plus, I am not familiar enough with IRC or mailing lists to ask someone to unblock me. I'm sorry if I sound a bit arrogant, but I have an incredible passion towards expanding Wikipedia, and I didn't think it was very fair what happened. In addition, it's not up to you to decide if I need a wikibreak. That will be a personal decision, if I chose to. -- Flag of Canada.svg Earl Andrew - talk 23:08, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)


A few people have signed up for the WikiProject, I left messages on talk pages! I have also created the Ottawa Collaboration of the Month. If you want the template for your user page, it is {{Ottawa COTM}}. I hope we can get this off the ground! --Spinboy 06:09, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Largest metro areas[edit]

Hello, why did you revert my changes on Largest metropolitan areas in the Americas? --Tuomas hello 05:35, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

The information about Lima on your website was out-of-date. That's why I changed it. --Tuomas hello 05:40, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

American national women's hockey team[edit]

I swear, when I was deleting it I saw a blank page. And now, if you try "undelete" it shows blank, and the creator is Is this you? Mikkalai 07:05, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The history shows that the empty article was created by, and this was the only version of the article. This ID also created "Kazakhstani national women's ice hockey team", which was an obvious prank. It could be an overlap in time and database transactions got screwed. I will look into the deletion log and try to figure out what happlened. Mikkalai 07:15, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

By the way, the table of contents is screwed up here at your tali page. Just click "edit" link for this subsection, and see. Mikkalai 07:18, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've just noticed that you restored the page yourself, so you can see by yourself the version I deleted in page's history. Mikkalai 07:21, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Tommy Douglas[edit]

To answer your question, yes, he did support eugenics in his youth when he was in collage. After the war his views changed and he no longer supported it. He also said at one point while he was premier that japanese immigrants should be deported. Not the greatest views, but it was a long time ago. MS123 21:45, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)


I feel that you have added the Ottawa stub template to far to many articles. You marked over two hundred pages with it, the vast majority of pages we have relating to Ottawa. Please remember that a stub is defined as " a very short article, generally of one paragraph or less." Moreover marking almost everything with the template makes it useless as it is impossible to find those pages that are actually much in need of expansion. - SimonP 17:59, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

Flag templates[edit]

Discussion moved from Wikipedia:Village_pump_(news)#Flag_templates to Template talk:Flag.  USA (SEWilco 19:04, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC))

The endless political colouration debate[edit]

The "colours are evil" folks are back at it on Talk:Canadian federal election results since 1867. The comprimise for visibility that I've suggested—bold black text on light-to-medium backgrounds—still seems to not pass muster with some. Just hoping a fellow chromophile might want to weigh in. :) -The Tom 05:54, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I am certainly open to the suggestion of adding party logos to the headings, but wouldn't that require a new template for each party branch? MS123

I make no point other than to say that I like the idea. MS123

Homosexuality in Cuba[edit]

Hello. Please look at [2]. Thanks. Unsigned comment by User:

I took the liberty to do some research, and I found this site. [3] Mike H 21:45, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, after some discussion in es:, I don't know what position are you trying to defend with your link. I thought mine, because homosexuality is no longer illegal, althought there are social issues to overcome. But maybe you mean that there isn't any legislation which explicitly protects homosexuals against any abuse of the very open decency laws, so that means homosexuality is still illegal... (?) Please clarify. -- 17:43, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC) (ex
My talk page is not a debate forum, please move your discussion elsewhere, thank you. -- Flag of Canada.svg Earl Andrew - talk 18:12, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

the issue of school articles[edit]

In November 2003, there was a VfD debate over Sunset High School (Portland). The debate was archived under Talk:Sunset High School (Portland). What to do with the article is still being contested and has been recently re-nominated for VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sunset High School (Portland).

I am writing to you because you have participated in such debates before. There still does not exist a wikipedia policy (as far as i can tell) over what to do in regards to articles about specific U.S. public school. My hope is that a real consensus can come out of the debate, and a real policy can take shape. Take part if you are so willing. Kingturtle 02:17, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Who is Ted Kennedy?[edit]

Hey Earl, I'd appreciate it if you'd go weight in as a Canadian at Talk:Ted_Kennedy#Move to Edward Kennedy Vote Please. I want to make sure that the 'pedia isn't too Americanized. Since I know you're Canadian I figured I'd asked you to throw you're two cents in. Cheers. Kevin Rector (talk) 15:30, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Kevin Rector (talk) 15:49, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)


You're welcome. --Spinboy 06:24, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No, I went to bed. --Spinboy 15:13, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Quebec Collaboration of the week created[edit]

The QCOTW has been created over at WP:QCOTWCirceus 17:54, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

Party logos[edit]

Sorry about the delay responding—caught me between work and home, actually. :)

I'm open to the idea of finding a way to "hardwire-in" political logos to the template system—in general I'm fond of visual stuff and the like, so don't take the revert as a slight against the notion of eyecandy. The only problem is that the logos aren't constant time-period-to-time-period and province-to-province-to-federal... so when you stuck in the federal Liberal logo, for instance, it immediately appeared over provincial liberal candidates on provincial election pages using that template, and had we hypothetically finished off a 2000 election page with a candidate list, the 2003 Martin-era swoosh would have been appearing where the Chretien-era ||| * L should have been.

I'm pondering ways to adapt the template system so there might be wiggle room for varying logos, but nothing simple is coming to mind right now... the only thing that's coming to mind is to code a different set of templates for each party in each timeframe in each jurisdiction, which seems to be running contrary to the original notion of simplifying things for wikipedians. I'll give it some more thought; if you can come up with some possible workarounds I'll be all-ears. -The Tom 23:35, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think it's a lengthier conversation that needs to be had at some point. Considering there's still a vocal section that doesn't think there should be more than two pixels of colour per page, I'd like to win that battle before stirring the pot again ;). As your Sask example shows, each new iteration of a provincial party/party in another era/provincial party in another era requires a whole new template-set, which does muddy the waters beyond their current muddyness by a considerable margin. Right now, there's one colhead set and one row set of templates keyed to each colour template; now we could get into situations where someone changes the NDP colour and it doesn't carry over everywhere, for instance. Again, I'm not opposed in principle, I'm just thinking of a half-dozen examples of where things will start to look ugly—where we get logos for some and not all, for instance, or from back in the day where getting verifiable logos becomes difficult (for example, I've been hunting on the web for some time for a John Turner-era federal Liberal logo to no success—it was the one with the solid maple leaf in the centre, and then a frame of a fractured leaf behind it. Only fifteen years old, natural governing party, and nothing.) I'd rather get this template system fully-implemented for a bit and getting the main information out there before we collectively start turning our energies into hours and hours on aesthetics, especially when there's reason to believe that all such a hunt will do is draw attention to the gaps in our knowledge. -The Tom 01:05, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

thanks for the flags on the Canadian men s national soccer team page[edit]

Dear Earl Andrew, thanks for adding the flags to the page - it looks a lot better with them. i thought at first they were meant to represent where each player was born. but is this assumption a correct one, or do the flags show where each player is registered or something? Regards, Mayumashu


Actually, it was a bit stupid of me to get through the work of typing it all by hjand in the window when I could have waited and have it done automatically under Textpad. At any rate, I am not touching the article againt today. Circeus 19:40, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Your input, please[edit]

Some more ideas here on formatting of elections tables. I hope these won't be controversial. Ground Zero 19:55, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)


You seem to have changed the title of this article to include an m rule; I understood that including such characters in titles was deprecated, but in any case it should be an n rule. Is it just misrepresented by my browsers? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:47, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm very surprised. By "we", do you mean Canadians? I ask because I've never come across any style guide (on either side of the Atlantic) that countenances the use of m rules to connect words. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:37, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Oh yes, I can see the difference, and the need for a typographical distinction; it's just that normal usage is a hyphen for the former and an n rule for the latter. Still, if it's done for all of them, it would probably take too much effort to change them. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:46, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

District articles[edit]

Earl - one thing at a time, Ok? It's easier to create them in big batches with a semi-automated process (not a robot, just a handy template), then go back and disambig as necessary when the federal districts are created. Page moves are easy, and I'm aware of the issue. Besides, the conflict doesn't exist until such time as the federal article is created. Fawcett5 12:49, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just a couple more things - for the provincial-federal page moves you already made or may continue to make, don't forget to add the correct category (these are now standardized for all provinces as [Category:Province|Territory federal|provincial|territorial electoral district]. Also, the link you provided doesn't seem to work. Finally, I will adopt the convention you seem to have settled on -> "place (electoral district)" for federal and "place (provincial electoral district)" for provincial. Fawcett5 13:15, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why should you be telling me what to do? It looked like to me that there had been more than one federal district at different times. Fawcett5 20:31, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I too am not really interested in squabbling. The convention for "re-animated" districts works fine when it was in the same province both times - when it was in different provinces, this breaks down (screws up the categorization and are really not comparable entities anyway). Right now it would say "Nova Scotia electoral district" and "British Columbia electoral district", which to me, if I did not know the convention, screams "provincial". I know that there are a lot of links using that convention already, but really, it is an easy job for one of the bot guys to take care of. Actually, I am increasingly in favour, whenever there is a an duplication, of standardly using the top-level (electoral district) strictly for a disambig page. Anyway, I will stick with the current convention for the moment, and look forward to hearing your thoughts. Fawcett5 20:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC) By the way, please notice that I have now also built into the template I am using a section that appears in the article that can be uncommented to facilitate disambiguation... Fawcett5 21:04, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Earl, another question has arisen about the electoral district articles... It has been pointed out to me that the use of emdashes in article titles has been deprecated in the MoS (they don't display properly in some browsers, and can't be typed from the keyword, so searches fail). This causes a problem for articles that use both hyphens and emdashes in the title, but I don't see much alternative but to use hyphens. Sometimes the hyphen part can reasonably be replaced with a space (imaginary example St-Wombat—Quokka would become St. Wombat-Quokka). What's your take on this? I have already created lots of articles with emdashed titles, but these can be easily moved to the hyphenated version, which will also make a suitable redirect. Also, what about when a district changes names from "Wombat and Quokka" to "Wombat—Quokka"? It seems silly to have a separate article, so which format do you think should be used for the article name? Note that there are already a couple of instances where probable duplicate articles have been created, but by cruising the defunct electoral district categories, it usually becomes obvious when such near-name duplicates occur - I plan to go through when all the articles are created and redirect some of these to their twin. Fawcett5 01:59, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pope names[edit]

Good work, Earl Andrew. Now all you need to do is go through, put in PP. after the Latin name (it's part of their "official name"). I didn't look back past JPI, but have you gone back to Peter? You probably should. Given that you are fighting for standardisaton, you should probably address that lack.Grace Note 23:34, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your argument for adding them was that they are the "official" name. Now you say you don't want the official name, just the Latin name. What is your justification for using the Latin name?Grace Note 00:04, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not arguing aesthetics, Earl Andrew. There was an agreement on the infobox talk page not to use Latin names. You breached it, insisting that you wanted to use official names, as are used on Robert Kocharyan. But you didn't use the official name and now say you don't want to. I am going to revert your changes. It's a lot of unnecessary work for me, but I feel that the boxes should not carry Latin translations without good reason. Earl Andrew wants it is not good reason.

I'm only going to revert once and I won't check the pages. I trust you not to do it again without talking to me and convincing me of the rightness of your position. I'm not fundamentally opposed to the official names and I want you to be happy with the outcome. I just don't think you convinced me. Grace Note 00:18, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Canadian political parties chart[edit]

I just wanted to let you know that I enjoyed your chart on List of political parties in Canada. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a bunch of debate about this. Props for the pretty picture and for daring the controversy. I think it might be useful to add the social freedom/economic freedom basis for the axes in the legend by way of explanation. Can I ask how did you decide to put which party where? Ground Zero 21:51, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I guess my comment would have to do with the Conservative and Progressive Canadian parties. They are placed on the same social policy plane. The PC Party, however, calls itself "socially progressive, fiscally conservative", while the Cons seem to have no interest in being socially progressive, what with Stephen Harper addressing anti-SSM rallies and what-not. Not to mention, only 4 of their 99 MPs voted for SSM. I know that the PC Party probably doesn't have an official position yet, but I would expect that opinion in the party would be more evenly split. That is, if they could get more than one member in a room at the same time. And while Haperper wants to avoid the abortion isssue, there is large cluster of his backbenchers who are chomping at the bit to bring in new legislatio to restrict/eliminate it. Just my thoughts. Do with it what you will. Ground Zero 22:24, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Canadian Time Zones[edit]

Earl, since you're a Canadian, and you're interested in time zones, I'm hoping you can help me clear up some of the misinformation in the time zone articles. My big question is: who named the Canadian time zones? This is of particular interest because three Canadian zones have the same name as their U.S. equivalent. So it would be useful to know whether Canada has an agreement with the U.S. about this, or just chose the same names to avoid confusion.

I'd also like to know who draws the boundaries. In the U.S., Congress draws them, and everybody has to go along. I gather things are more granular in Canada, but I'd like to get specifics. ---Isaac R 08:00, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Can we keep the discussion on your talk page? I don't mind watching it, and I find it confusing to switch back and forth.

I didn't expect you to know the answer off the top of your head. Sometimes you have to go out and do some actual offline research. In this case, somebody needs to go to a reference librarian and ask for help finding out who controls the naming and boundaries of Canadian time zones. I could do it, but a Canadian librarian would be a lot more likely to have the right documents at hand. ---Isaac R 20:10, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I must admit, libraries are not my forté. Perhaps I can pop the question up at the Canadian Wiki board to see if anyone knows the answers. If that fails, try the Reference desk -- Flag of Canada.svg Earl Andrew - talk 20:18, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Kids and Kylie[edit]

Hi EarlAndrew, I don't think this is the correct interpretation and yet at the same time I don't think it's vandalism. I think it's somebody's (the contributor's?) personal interpretation of the lyrics rather than the songwriter's intention, and as such, should be removed. As it's neither complete nonsense, or something offensive, I don't think it's vandalism. From what I've read in a Robbie Williams interview the meaning is more like, the couple are not happy together but are staying together because of the kids "I don't mind doing it for the kids". The lyrics are quite cryptic - Kylie said in another interview she didn't really know what it was all about, she was just given it to sing. I think therefore any interpretation of the lyrics should have a reference to support the inclusion. Rossrs 02:13, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pope Infobox[edit]

FYI - I really liked the new Pope Infobox so I have proposed that it be used for all religious leades on Infobox policy. There have been no objections so far (since Friday). If that continues I plan on helping to update the articles for the new Infobox. If you have comments, concerns please discuss there Trödel|talk 17:37, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reminder: Saguenay Deluge[edit]

Saguenay Deluge, an article you have voted on, has been chosen as Quebec Collaboration of the Week. Circeus 01:46, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Yukon Party[edit]

I like the pics for the Yukon parties. If you are looking for a pic for the Yukon Party, the new website link for the party is on the article page. MS123

Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format[edit]

Do you have any interest is laying out the "standard" format for ice hockey team pages at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format? I know you've done some work with OHL teams, and those pages look good. I've pretty much only worked with player pages to this point. The WikiProject is starting to get quite a few new members and I was thinking that it might be good for some of us "old timers" to get some of the red policy links made blue. Kevin Rector (talk) 13:46, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

ontario map[edit]

Great job on the 1990 election! I wasn't sure if you could do it or not, but it looks great. (How nice it is to see a sea of orange across the province) I look forward to 95 & 87. MS123

I hear you there. Too bad Hampton can't repeat this. MS123

COTW Project[edit]

You voted for History of Quebec, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.


I have listed this at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion (May 2). Thuresson 01:36, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

British Columbia general election, 2005[edit]

As per the box. As a Canadian constituency article writer, you may care to organize the same sort of in-depth news coverage and collaborative constituency-article-writing effort as at Wikinews:Results of 2005 United Kingdom General Election and Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Parliamentary Constituencies. Uncle G 22:43, 2005 May 2 (UTC)

Electoral districts on VfD[edit]

Earl, someone has made the crazy suggestion on VfD that all the historical electoral district articles should be deleted. See: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Antigonish—Guysborough and call out the troops. Fawcett5 03:23, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Gay laws map[edit]

Hi Earl. I saw your updated Gay laws map. You appear to have changed Australia to mostly allowing civil unions, which is news to me. Are you sure this is true? Also, next time you update it (if you do), can you change it from "Homosexuality legal"? Not everyone uses the word "homosexuality" to refer to sex, generally only the sexuality itself. It is the sodomy/anal sex/gay sex which is illegal in those countries. Thanks and good work. - Mark 09:20, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Regarding Account Suspension.[edit]

This query is for the administrator Earl Andrew.

To Earl Andrew:

I may have mistakingly used an explicative in: Talk: Evil.

Is this the reason for my user page vandal status?

My number is:

--Scroll1 00:57, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

You're quick![edit]

Thanks for adding all the non-medal results in the Czechoslovakian national ice hockey team article! *thumbsup* --Sarke 04:07, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

BC election[edit]

We should split the seats up again, we are starting to duplicate each other... - Jord 04:24, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

No, I am not logged in. - Jord 04:29, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

In the news ....[edit]

Hello. Please be reminded that all images need to be protected before they go onto the MainPage. And a {{Mprotected}} tag needs to be applied to the image. I've just done that for Image:Parliament2.jpg. Also, according to the guidelines on Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page, relevant pages must be updated. May I assume that you're updating the Motion of no confidence page now, please ? Non-confidence redirects there. Thanks. -- PFHLai 23:18, 2005 May 19 (UTC)

Your edit at ITN has been reverted (not by me !), so I had to undo the image protection..... -- PFHLai 23:31, 2005 May 19 (UTC)

NB Election Image[edit]

Very, very nice sir. You look to be coming up with regions on the talk page, if so let me know, I could offer some advice on which would make the most sense :) - Jord 15:22, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Quebec 2003 election map[edit]

Would you be open to reconsider the location of your (quite appreciated) creation, the election map, on the Quebec general election, 2003 article page? I strongly feel like the map esthetically jars with the flag and the headline. --Liberlogos 04:11, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

BC provincial ridings[edit]

Good day Earl. User:Maclean25 and I have been co-operating on beginning articles for the BC ridings. I think we have a real good start and it may be time to consider how they will be "fleshed out".

User:Maclean25 posted the following issues my talk page for consideration and I think an opinion from a "seasoned" political editor such as yourself would be helpful.

Please review the layout of Bulkley Valley-Stikine. This is the prototype of how all other districts will be organised. Specifically, please comment on the following issues:
  • headings (demographics, geography, history, election results all make sense)
  • Total votes (Total valid votes or Total votes cast? there is a 33 vote difference which would affect the 100.00% in the next column)
  • Voter turnout (currently it is "Registered Voters Who Voted" because it is the easiest stat to get; alt is "% Eligible Voters Who Voted"
  • Demographics (anyway to alter table to show more detailed stats, like pop in 1991, 1996, 2001, 2005; avg. income (census or election year?), unemployment (year?), or whatever may be relevant.
  • the images (just something I'm fiddling with, do they make sense?)

maclean25 22:12, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Cheers, DoubleBlue (Talk) 14:02, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

P.S. My comments on these questions are posted at Maclean25's talk page.

  • Hi, I created a new election box template and I'm starting to use that one for the BC provincial ridings. It includes campaign expenses. For first-past-the-post elections this is one of the most crucial pieces of info for understanding the race & results. Now I am almost happy with the election box information. Prototype at Bulkley Valley-Stikine. Let me know what you think. $ info for 1991 and 1996 only, difficulty finding 2001 data. maclean25 05:44, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Ontario political compass[edit]

Just a question for you. The Ontario NDP is placed closer to the center than the federal NDP, and I just want to know if that was intentional? I think Howie Hampton is more of a socialist than Layton is. Layton is more libertarian than Hampton is, but I think politically Howie's NDP is more socialist in nature.


You can't really compare provincial seats to federal seats. The federal NDP vote was 20% in Ontario, and in the provincial election it was 14%. Also, Howie doesn't seem to like Bob Rae. He still is pissed about the public auto thing. If you look at Howie he has said that he thinks swedish socialism is the best way to go, which, in Ontario isn't all that moderate. I don't think a major change is needed, just a shift to at least the federal NDP point.


Thanx abunch

Naming of Indian reserves[edit]

I noticed you renamed articles like Fort Severn, Ontario to Fort Severn 89, Ontario to add the number. While this is the official designation, I thought Wikipedia convention is to use the most common name. So in the case of Fort Severn, shouldn't we just go by "Fort Severn" without the 89? Samw 03:15, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I've continued the discussion at Talk:Fort Severn 89, Ontario. Samw 03:01, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

NB election regions[edit]

I overwrote your edit to the regions in NB. I understand your desire to have cities distinct, but it is not really plausible in New Brunswick as there are a number of ridings that are parts of one city and parts not. The ridings of Saint John-Fundy and Saint John-Kings include large portions of areas which are not a part of the city of Saint John (this is why they have a hyphen and the other SJ seats do not). Moncton Crescent also contains large parts of both the city of Moncton and areas outside of the city. - Jord 19:09, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Ottawa Senators[edit]

Hm. For one, that column is in variance to those used for other NHL team articles, and is overly wide for the text contained.

For a second, there's no need for a "current" coach or a "current" general manager. Most people will figure out that the sole people listed as coaches or GMs are the current incumbents.

For a third, "North-American" is not the proper form for the appellation.

For a fourth, very few people (if any) who view the article will need to be informed that the National Hockey League is a North American league; it would be difficult for a league that encompassed Ottawa to be anything but.


I just now noticed the brightened image you put up about a month ago - I found it a bit too washed out and grainy. I downloaded the original and played with contrast and gamma, and uploaded again - hopefully this new one works a bit better... Radagast 22:26, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Then, perhaps a new photo would work best; the direct sunlight on the side combined with the shade on the front makes for a very unworkable pic. Of course, being nowhere near Ottawa, I can't help in that regard, so I'll just shut up now... Radagast 00:01, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (provinces)[edit]

If you are interested in reducing the naming variants for provinces in wikipedia from 14 to something near 3 you may like to have a look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (provinces). Tobias Conradi (Talk) 23:34, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Senatorial divisions[edit]

I'm running to the biggest political geography nuts I know of for a hand here. I'm rather displeased with the article at Canadian Senate Divisions which strongly seems to imply Senate divisions are anything more than political ephemera that dance in the minds of Senators. It was anonymously assembled, and on further examination it seems someone called Cloveious is now putting together articles like Calgary Senate division which perpetuate the mistake on the first article and treat senate tags as if they were ridings--"created from" older divisions on certain dates, and so on. That definately seems VfDish. Just wondering if you had any commentary for the Talk page -The Tom 18:45, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gaymap and Australia[edit]

I think there may be a problem with the Australia section. Whilst the Same-sex marriage article is (to my knowledge) true in saying that " Australia currently recognizes same-sex partnerships in all but two of its territories: Victoria and South Australia.", these "partnerships" do not (again, to my knowledge), as the civil union article says, have a "civil status similar to marriage". Tasmania is the only state with civil unions, and thus for Australia, this revision is the correct one. See also Same-sex marriage in Australia for more details.

Could this be updated? Thanks, and HTH Dysprosia 02:45, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The mainland should all be light green (No same-sex unions), that is, Western Australia, Northern Territory, Queensland, New South Wales/ACT. Tasmania is correct with mild green (Same-sex unions). Thanks Dysprosia 00:05, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but the gaymap is wrong again. Could you please fix it? I'll have a word with the one who keeps changing it. Thanks Dysprosia 02:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

It's the same problem as last time. The current revision does not have the proper colours. Dysprosia 04:55, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Decima polls[edit]

new poll today. Kick Ass results! please update pic. MS123

May 20 Ipsos poll[edit]

From their website, I have media access to their site so I can see the details of the polls, I can download and email you the PDF if you don't trust me ;) - Jord 01:55, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You are unable to view it on their site as you need to be able to log in to the media area. I also post the nationla numbers along with my seat projections on my site if you are ever looking for one. - Jord 02:01, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Move request[edit]

Don't want to trouble ppl with all the bureaucracy at WP:RM, so I was wondering if you had a sec would you mind moving George Baker (Newfoundland and Labrador politician) to George Baker (politician) for relatively obvious reasons? Looks like someone thought it was good to get needlessly complex in terms of article naming. TIA! -The Tom 08:14, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Grrr. This wouldn't be half as bad if there wasn't a user or users who also keeps insisting on moving politicians to articles with their full names rather than what they were actually called in the media. James Aloysius McGrath being what led me Bakerwards in the first place. -The Tom 18:16, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well, Wikipediawide naming conventions are fairly clear on the point--name in common usage--which is why we have Paul Martin, not Paul Edgar Phillippe Martin; Joe Volpe not Giuseppe Volpe. The thing is, the information on less-contemporary politicians on the 'pedia is often pulled from sources like the National Archives and Library of Parliament, which make reference to ppl like "Thomas Edward Siddon" despite the fact that they are known outside the world of dusty books as Tom Siddon, and that if Wikipedia was around in 1985 there'd be no question whatsoever where the article would be. -The Tom 04:31, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Sorry for reverting your changes so fascistly. I was (am) frustrated by a lot of the changes made by another user and got carried away. I read the article you pointed me to regarding Whites and am still not convinced that they are technically thought of as a race by statisticians, but I could be wrong. The term Caucasian actually encompasses more and I think it is more correct. Doesn't matter. With regard to religions, you're right, Airdrie is pretty homogenous anyway. Thought about it after, and I think an "other" category is probably the simplest way out there. I will add it back. Once again, I apologize for my frustration. -Tyson2k

Actually, you're right. Ethnicity does not mean the same thing as race. That is exactly why I used it. Race may not be a politically incorrect term as such but it is most definitely outdated. There are very few anthropomorphically significant differences between "races" beyond those which are purely superficial. Unfortunately, StatsCan is only able to use these generally meaningless superficial traits to differentiate ethinically distinct people. Thus, race, which does little more than differentiate people based on appearance is used as a substitute for ethnicity which is probably impossible to quantify. Ethnicity embodies those aspects of a group of people which are predominately cultural and may or may not encompass physical traits such as skin colour. By using the term ethnicity, I was merely trying to to apply quantities (which can only truly be used when discussing race) to ethnic groups. This was only an effort to modernize the terminology of the article such that is was more descriptive of modern cosmopolitan society. Thus, ethnicity should figure much more prominently in a description of a city's culture. As far as I'm concerned, "race" is becoming more of an irrelevant term as our alledgedly progressive society moves away from differentiating people based merely on skin colour and other physical characteristics. That said, it was far easier to fit "politically incorrect" in the edit summary than what I just wrote. Since StatsCan uses the term race, then you had might as well use it too. I just happen to think that race is far less important than the diverse and colourful cultural differences that make people unique. - Tyson2k
Actually, I think you're the confused one. The definition of ethnicty which I subscribe to is nearly identical to this one from StatsCan [4]. Like I said, ethnicity includes race but it also includes much more of that which I believe to be within the spirit of diversity. And as I said above, using ethnicity to describe the statisitics in question was not right (you were right) since ethnicity is not as easily quantifiable as race... it was more of a gesture on my part. My point was (and still is), is that stats on race are not all that important. A desciption of a place's ethnicity (sans the numbers) would be far more valuble in communicating a cultural composition. We're on the same side of the fence here buddy. The only difference is that I don't think racial statisitics are all that important. And I still think the term "race" is a little heavy-handed and regressive, even if it's not politically incorrect. I changed your edits from "Race" to "Racial Diversity". I think that it softens the term. I hope you can at least agree on that. By the way, StatsCan only keeps stats on ethnic origin. That means literally... a person's place of cultural origin or heritage. This is completely different from what I'm talking about. Ethnicity is not easily quantifiable and encompasses many things. That is why it's a far richer term. -Tyson2k.
I would like to see these stats on ethnicity that go to CMAs and provinces. I don't fully understand where these numbers would come from. Anyway, I'm happy as long as we're at a concensus. As long as we agree, we should try to standardize some more pages so that they match this template. And as long as you mentioned it, don't even get me started on the way the US handles race. The Americans are very big into racial prfiling and use it for everything from university admissions to jobs, etc. I think this is one of the more disgusting aspects of American culture and one of the most regressive aspects of it as well. It truly baffles me that race should ever matter anymore. It seems to me that the Americans (and to a lesser degree, every other western country as well... but mostly the Americans) have been having a lot of difficulty cleaning those skeletons out of its closet. -Tyson2k

Also, thank-you for pointing out that Aboriginals were not considered visible minorities. I was not aware of that. -Tyson2k

There's no obvious link I could see on how to send you a personal message.

How do you change the title of an article? I'd like to change Jean Blaquiere to Jean Blaquiére (adding the accent), although admittedly, it is easier to use the Search function when one does not need to include the accent in typing the name.

Geoff Capp


Please stop reverting population figures to 2001 StatsCan info on Alberta pages. These are well researched census figures from municipal governments. They are completely legit. However, I'm not suprised that you were confused as it appears that someone went ahead and relabelled them "2005" when they are actually 2004 numbers. - Tyson2k

I'm going to reply here, since you dont seem to be logged on. My concern was that those may have not been the top 10 most populous places based on the estimates, as some municipalities may have moved up or down from the list. -- Flag of Canada.svg Earl Andrew - talk 06:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Canada's soccer record[edit]

I haven't seen it be updated in a long time. If it has, I appologize, but I don't think constantly changing data should appear at Wikipedia, unless someone wants to do the legwork to make sure it's up to date. I guess one can always put at "as of (date)" on top of that, but what's the point if this can be better serve as a link to an outside source (as opposed to being a direct paste from one)? --Dryazan 20:45, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My bad! But put "as of (date)" then? --Dryazan 20:51, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Central Economy[edit]

Dear Earl Andrew, how are you doing? Could i trouble you for that scan from the atlas as i don t have access to it or any other atlas and i d really like to see how it differs from 'Economy'? i m from very near there and would like to get the placenaming straight as i wrote in the write up i did for Economy, Nova Scotia that 'Central Economy' is non-offical (although i seem to recall from childhood there being a road sign marked Central Economy in to no surprise the centre of the village flat). however, the NS gov't tourism site does not list it. in the meantime i ll put it back on the Colchester County article list if you haven t already and link it to Economy. Take care! -Mayumashu 01:59, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks a bunch Earl Andrew for the map - where (and how) i m living i m solely depend for resources on what i get for free off the net and i couldn t seem to bring up any maps with the proper detail. Yeah i agree that the Central Economy looks to be an alternative for Economy or the later a general reference to the area at large where there s also Lower and Upper Economy - i ll reword the article i did on Economy to reflect this. all the best! -Mayumashu 07:40, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Spinboy 3RR[edit]

Could you give a bit of detail as to why you unbocked him on WP:AN3? It makes it easyer to keep track of things.Geni 16:19, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'd appreciate some more detail too. You can't unblock someone for 3RR simply because you don't like the policy. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:08, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

I've reblocked Spinboy. In future, please don't unblock someone, particularly on a 3RR, just because he or she asks you. We should be consistent with policy and not play favourites. AndyL 21:31, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Template:BAHf has no links to it. WP:TFD? (SEWilco 04:36, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC))


Hi Earl Andrew! I must say I'm mightily impressed by the number of Canadian geo-stubs that have your name on them... just thought you'd like to know that Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting has split four subcategories from Category:Canada geography stubs because it was getting too big for editors to find their way around easily. Next time you go on a stub-making geographic spree, you might find them - particularly {{Ontario-geo-stub}} more useful than the generic {{Canada-geo-stub}} (it would help us, too , because then we wouldn't have to re-sort them later!). The other three, BTW, are {{BrColumbia-geo-stub}}, {{Alberta-geo-stub}}, and {{Quebec-geo-stub}}. Between them, these four accounted for about 80% of Canada's geography stubs, and none of the other provinces had anywhere near the sort of criterion levels for splitting off more subcategories. Grutness...wha? 12:01, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Troop numbers[edit]

Sorry, I misunderstood the numbers, that's why I kept putting "in millions" instead of "in thousands" on the page List of countries by number of active troops. I must say, it's very confusing because no one thinks of 1 million troops as 1,000 x 1,000? --Mb1000 28 June 2005 16:23 (UTC)


Hey Earl. Thanks for bring that to my attention-- I'm a little grumpy, because getting all the templates-within-templates working there was a really drawn-out process and I was really glad when it came out looking quite nice. I think what happened was someone converted how the wikimarkup for tables converts over to HTML, so the code that used to place cells horizontally now spits them out stacked. I think I'll go exploring this on the wild wooly frontier of MediaWiki (or whereever it is that that stuff gets set) tomorrow. -The Tom 30 June 2005 06:07 (UTC)

Finally got around to getting an inquiry in place over on MetaWiki—hope something comes of it. -The Tom 9 July 2005 04:04 (UTC)

Highway 61[edit]

I'm not convinced that U.S. Highway 61 - Ontario provincial highway 61 should be a single article. I really think it should be two separate articles that link to each other. Bearcat 1 July 2005 18:52 (UTC)

Actually, it wasn't the same page twice; it was just a redirect. Which is still wrong, certainly...I'll probably tackle it after I'm done undoing the guy who categorized every GO Transit station in Category:List of GO Stations, Category:GO Transit and Category:Transportation in Ontario. Oy ge-frickin'-valt. Bearcat 1 July 2005 19:01 (UTC)
Nope...I know nothing about it. Bearcat 1 July 2005 19:38 (UTC)


All coverage of the events are referring to it as Live 8 Canada and I don't even think I've heard Barrie mentioned. Yes, I know it says that on the web site, but when it so blatantly says "Canada" across the back of the stage I think that has more weight to it.

No, there wasn't "consensus" on the talk page. There wasn't even a discussion. Before reverting (particularly with an inappropriate "WTF?") you should've taken it there to put across your view, and I'd appreciate it if you did that now. violet/riga (t) 2 July 2005 21:19 (UTC)

I have family that live in Canada and happen to love the place, so please don't take it as POV. I am basing it on what I can see from the UK feed, and they're not going to use "Barrie" because few people know where that is. It's not really Toronto either, and everything I've seen/heard is using Canada. It's not ideal, I know, but I was trying to get it consistent with how the Live 8 organisers themselves are referring to it. Perhaps we should use the fuller titles (ie. "Hyde Park, London", "Makuhari Messe, Tokyo" and "Park Place, Barrie"). violet/riga (t) 2 July 2005 22:04 (UTC)
Then have a go at all the channels covering it in the UK as I must be getting my POV from them. violet/riga (t) 2 July 2005 22:10 (UTC)

I really can't believe that you placed and NPOV flag (a) on a template, (b) while we're actively discussing it and (c) when I suggested a solution. That really is poor form and shows your own blatant bias. violet/riga (t) 2 July 2005 22:13 (UTC)

Thanks. It's just that I spent ages sorting the things out as best as I could gather was being presented to the world by the organisers. As said above, I really don't have a POV against Canada. More for it, in fact. violet/riga (t) 2 July 2005 22:16 (UTC)

Hey Earl I can help you with the Park Place page, Just to let you know some of your facts are way off--Jbfraser 3 July 2005 16:22 (UTC)

Hi Earl thanks for fixing that pic for me on the Barrie live 8 page--JB 9 July 2005 04:50 (UTC)

New Brunswick parishes etc.[edit]

I've noticed you have been creating several articles on parishes and such in New Brunswick; as well as other census subdivisions in other provinces. As a native New Brunswicker, I can assure you that few, if any, locals talk about parishes, and I'd be willing to bet fewer than 10-20% of New Brunswickers even know they exist. They have little legal status today, other than for census purposes, historical research and in surveying. I don't see the point of these long-winded articles, and would instead suggest that articles be written on individual communities instead. Kirjtc2 3 July 2005 06:09 (UTC)

Ottawa Senators (redux)[edit]

I am somewhat mystified at your insistent reversions. The original Ottawa Senators/Silver Seven won more Cups, won more games, had more Hall of Famers, and had more league championships up to the end of the Western/Pacific league than any other team, and not by some, by a LOT. This is no more a "point of view" than are claims that Wayne Gretzky is the greatest scorer in NHL history. I'll ask again; if you think any early franchise's accomplishments approach that of Ottawa's, let's hear what you have to say.

~ RG Traynor 3 Jun 2005

About the Ottawa Senators infobox: Please limit it to pertanant information (in other words, no first game, all-time records). That type of stuff can be put at the bottom of the page. NoseNuggets 2:25 US EDT Oct 7 2005.

More on Canada geo-stubs[edit]

For your extensive work in articles pertaining to Canada, I, Grutness, hereby award you The Barnstar of National Merit. Wear it with pride! 8 July 2005 09:36 (UTC)

Hi again - I've just done a recount of the Canada geo-stubs to see whether any more provinces are likely to need their own, and I was stunned by the number that you seem to have either started or edited. I had a look at your contrib list, too, and saw that geography items were only the tip of the iceberg. So... I feel you deserve some recognition for these efforts! Grutness...wha?

Heh! Better that type of work that trying to fix messes like vandalism! BTW, it looks quite likely there will be a couple more separate province stubs (probably Newfoundland/Labrador and one for the Maritimes). Also, looking through your recent contribs helped me add a link to an article I've got on my watchlist - my surname's Dignan, and there's an article on the Irish Clan that that name comes from (which includes people like Noel Duignan). Grutness...wha? 8 July 2005 09:50 (UTC)


Image:Man led.JPG has been nominated for deletion. I think it was created by User:MS123, who no longer seems to be with us. Do you have any idea what it's about? Ground Zero 8 July 2005 21:08 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I wouldn't want to lose something like that after someone has put so much work into it. Ground Zero 8 July 2005 21:23 (UTC)

Surrey North[edit]

I couldn't help but notice the new election table added for Surrey North. Is this a standard table that is to go on every riding? The tables I have been usng for the BC federal & provincial ridings was based on the 2005 British election boxes modified for more useful info (still haven't figured out how to put # of Electors in there though). These ones are small, easily digestible, and full of info. I looked for some templates before I started but only found the British ones and some standard boxes. I discussed it with you (see above) and DoubleBlue. I've saw the new tables elsewhere but was under the impression that those kind of tables would be kept in the general election pages. Can you please elaborate on your plans or intentions?maclean25 02:45, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, I agree. I find those tables very difficult to read and they certainly duplicate the more complete information already found on the article. DoubleBlue (Talk) 04:29, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Chippewas of Georgina Island article[edit]

I would like to hear your opinion about the name of the article on the talk page: Talk:Chippewas of Georgina Island First Nation, Ontario Thanks, DoubleBlue (Talk) 04:26, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

"Riding", "Critic", "Reeve"[edit]

I have been updating some links on some of your Canadian politician pages. I have seen the terms "riding", "critic", and "reeve" used. If "critic" has a specific meaning in Canadian politics, it might be a good idea to add a page for this, or add it onto the current Critic page. Also, I had to look up the words "riding" and "reeve" in reference to Canadian and British politics. I'm sure most English speakers outside Canada and the U.K. (i.e., people in the U.S.A.) probably have no idea what these words mean. It would be helpful to make this an internal link to Riding and Reeve if you do any more of these pages on Canadian politicians. I have been adding such links where the terms are found on a page. DanMS 00:42, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Lake Nipissing article[edit]

Just wondering, have you been to Lake Nipissing recently? Skeeter08865

  • I just got back on Saturday. It's really a beautiful place. I just don't know there aren't any trout stocking associations putting rainbow trout in the lake. Seems to me it would be an added benefit to all the sports anglers and lodge owners. Skeeter08865
  • Hey! I uploaded some pictures of the lake. Someone is threatening to remove them. If you have a second can you do whatever and put "public domain" on those pictures. Or whatever the hell they want. For some reason I cannot modify them anymore. I am on my work PC now. Skeeter08865
  • Thanks for the help! I wish I could go back up in that area and take more pictures of other lakes rivers and streams!!Hopefully next year..... Thanks againSkeeter08865


I think the "Earlpedia" idea is great! Now I've got something similar on my user page, it's called Mb1000-pedia! Check it out! Flag of Canada.svg--Mb1000 01:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

A couple more geo-stubs[edit]

Hi again - I've added this to the Canadian noticeboard, but since you're such a prolific creator of stubs I thought I'd mention it here too - there's been two more stub templates created: {{maritimes-geo-stub}} for PEI, NS and NB, and {{Newfoundland-geo-stub}} (with a redirect at {{Labrador-geo-stub}}, to hopefully fend off any complaints!) for N&L geography stubs. Grutness...wha? 09:49, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

You wrote:I thank you a lot for your hard work with the stubs. Next time you go through them, do you think you could look out for communities that don't have a province following their names? (i.e. if the article is at Kenora, move to Kenora, Ontario) I've had a look at the lists before, but you never know if I missed a few. If you have any questions in that regard, please let me know. (Use discretion, Bytown does not belong at Bytown, Ontario for historical purposes). Well - there's no problem with the work I've been doing. As to the page moves, I'll try to move what ones I notice, but I really only look for new articles in the stub categories (I already have a list of what was there from each province last time I tallied up, so I don't re-check them). Is it standard practice for all Canadian settlements to be followed by the province name, then? (I ask because I'm most familiar with new Zealand ones, and there "New Zealand" is only added if disambiguation is needed). Grutness...wha? 02:13, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


Just randomly noticed there's an error on your June 23 numbers... the Bloc should be flat at 13%, not dropped to 10. -The Tom 21:05, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I haven't managed to great a straight explanation out of the powers that be. But it looks like either some wikipedia-wide setting needs to be changed back, or the whole template system needs to be substantially overhauled. -The Tom 21:43, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

BC Regional Districts[edit]

I stumbled upon a page with a list of the electoral areas in Regional Districts. I saw you created it last year and I was hoping you remembered where you got the naming convention from. Please reply here. -maclean25 22:59, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

New senate list[edit]

Hi Andrew, I just wanted to draw your attention to the new list of all past and present members of the Canadian Senate that I have created. It can be found here. Template:SoC is the template for adding the list menu if you care to do so anywhere. Cheers, Fawcett5 06:48, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


Hi Earl I was just wondering, How do you get the Canadian flag in front of your name???

MRC of acton, term "municipalities"[edit]

regarding Acton Regional County Municipality, Quebec

When I referred to the "official" web site, I was referring to (in more than one spot), which calls the members of the MRC "municipalities". I understand that is now the legal division/jurisdiction, *after* the reorganization done in the 1990s. Within those municipalities there might be a "town" or a "village". But I thought those had no legal signficance.

If you go to one example,, you'll see what you call a parish, calls itself a municipality. Anyway, I am confused as to why you oppose you the terms of the MRC and municipalities themselves.

--rob 08:54, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Acton Vale, Quebec[edit]

Please follow the link to Acton Vale, Quebec. Then, click on the link to Saint Theodore. As you can see your reversion of my last edit, has caused the link to not worky any more. This may be related to the accented characters. --rob 09:03, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

update: I do see the mistake I made on the article, but in your revert of my error, you brought back a pre-existing bad-link, I'm not going to fix it myself, since there's no point in changing anything since you're just going to undo 2 seconds later, without talking first, so please fix your fix, thanks. --rob 09:13, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Gaymap and Slovenia[edit]

Recently a bill was passed in Slovenia that alllows same sex unions (not exactly mariages). I do not know much about it, you should contact somebody from Legebitra (there is an email under Kontakt in the left menu I will not post it here)


I have created articles for my old 'hood, Centretown West, and for Lebreton Flats. I invite you to make any additions/corrections that you think are appropriate. Regards, Ground Zero Ground Zero 21:22, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Census subdivision page[edit]

If you have some official comprehensive list of census subdivisions in Ontario, please do point me to it. — Flag of Scarborough, ON, Canada  UTSRelativity (Talk 03:20, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. — Flag of Scarborough, ON, Canada  UTSRelativity (Talk 04:07, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

re: Aura Lee[edit]

I was basically checking the "what links here" for Aura Lee, and I noticed that Memorial Cup also mentioned Aura Lee. :\ --Ixfd64 01:19, 2005 July 26 (UTC)

Roxton Canton, Quebec[edit]

Please visit the official web site of the MRC of Acton, and see the map labels this exactly "Roxton Canton". It is not "Roxton (Canton)". There is no basis for calling it just "Roxton".

Take a look at Media:Municipal Regional County of Acton Map.gif Since this is used in the MRC article, you now have a situation where we're showing an official map, that disagrees with wikipedia's name. There's no community that's just "Roxton". It's Roxton Canton. --rob 05:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Check out the only *official* source, here:

These two web sites are the *only* authority. That's it.

Official MRC map showing "Roxton Canton".

OK, I have cited more than one official source. That is wikipedia policy. I intend to ensure this change is done. You had no basis whatsoever for reverting it. The fact you did two moves within minutes of each other, shows you did not know what the wikipedia rules require (how could both moves be "required"). You are not the authority on "Roxton Canton". The authority is "Roxton Canton", and the MRC of Acton. That's it. They set the rules. --rob 05:30, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

mass revisions and Acton Regional County Municipality, Quebec[edit]

Forgetting about Roxton for a moment. Since, you're intent on doing mass reverts, please consider checking what other changes have been done. For instance, I previously fixed a huge break in text caused by "stacked images", by moving a map to a lower section. You undid this. I also put an English name, in place of a French one, for a web site (You should use English or English/French, but not French-only titles). You undid this. If you look next to the "Save page" button, you'll notice a "Show preview" and a "Show changes". This isn't the first time you've caused "collateral" damage. --rob 06:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Patrick Manning[edit]

Could you supply a source for the "fair use" for Image:Patrickmanning.jpg please? Thanks. Guettarda 05:29, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Guettarda 05:53, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

unblocking of User:Plautus_satire[edit]

I don't want to second guess your decision but I just wanted to make you aware if you aren't already aware that User:Plautus_satire was perm banned as per community decision. If you already knew then keep up the good work. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 22:19, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Yukon map[edit]

First, I want to thank you for the great Yukon map, which was just perfect for the Geography of the Yukon article I wrote. But I did notice two typos in the southwestern corner: Katherine Lake should be Kathleen Lake and Dezadeash Lake is spelled that way, not Dezedeash. It would be great if you could fix those, at your convenience of course.Luigizanasi 05:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

China template[edit]

Hi, Andrew. Might I ask why you reverted my change in the China template? You used the rollback button to revert it, and thus your edit summary contains no information regarding your reasons. Btw, I don't know if you're seeing it, but your user page is showing completely messed up in my browser... Regards, Redux 01:29, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok then, sorry about the mess with the template. I'm using Internet Explorer right now. It's still completely messed up, with the text overlapping the images. Coincidentally enough, this afternoon the User pt template which I have on my own user page started showing completely out of wack, but when I visit the template's page, it shows up fine. The skin I'm using is Monobook, so maybe someone messed the .css file again? Regards, Redux 01:57, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

electoral district/federal electoral district[edit]

There are a number of federal ridings in Quebec that share their names with provincial ridings, including Mount Royal. That's why I moved it to "Mount Royal (federal electoral district)". See Talk:List of Canadian federal electoral districts. - Farquard 05:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, that seems counter-intuitive, but it would save a lot of work, so I don't really mind. - Farquard 05:53, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
By the way, where are these standards written? - Farquard 05:56, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


Care to comment on the meaning and accuracy of Image:Canadianethnicities.PNG? DoubleBlue (Talk) 19:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Discussion is here. DoubleBlue (Talk) 19:24, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Tim Hortons Image[edit]

Hello. Where is this Image:Timhortons.jpg located ? It looks like near Fisher/Meadowlands but I dont recall one being in that area. Or maybe Meadowlands/Prince of Wales ? sikander 19:25, August 6, 2005 (UTC)


I note that you have unblocked Ril. In the reason field of the unblock form, you typed "As per request."

Do you have any further rationale? I do not have the text of -Ril-'s request available to me and therefore have no idea why you felt that unblocking was appropriate.

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:27, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Basically the reasons I outline on my talk page.

  • There was no 4th revert in 24 hours.
  • Indeed there wasn't even a 3rd.
  • You (UninvitedCompany) blocked for 72 hours not 24, even though previous blocks of me have been lifted as being inappropriate.
  • You (UninvitedCompany) explicitely state on my talk page that you have violated the letter of the blocking policy
  • You (UninvitedCompany) explicitely state on my talk page that you have an "extremely anti-Islamic" POV, after I accuse you of blocking me because I am opposed to anti-Islamic POV pushing.

P.s. thanks Earl Andrew. ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 18:25, 10 August 2005 (UTC)


Well, I was trying to be constitent. But I guess we could leave Hull at "Hull, Quebec". At least Hull and Gatineau are seperated by a river, which is more than you can say for any communities within the City of Montreal. - Farquard 04:21, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Ditto for Aylmer (but substitute "A few acres of green space" for "River") - Farquard 04:24, 10 August 2005 (UTC)


Since we couldn't get octranspo.JPG to look any better, I came to Ottawa and took this one. :-)

(I took a bunch more, too - watch the Transitway articles for some additions. I didn't just come for the photos, though, honest!)

Radagast 02:52, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

I'm actually already home; I was too busy having fun in Ottawa to do image work and article editing! I did thoroughly enjoy the stay. Radagast 03:35, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
They're all PD, help yourself. Radagast 03:47, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Ottawa Marriott Hotel[edit]

I recall that you mentioned on the talk page that its notability stems from the fact that it is the 6th tallest building in Ottawa. Do you have a source for this? Please leave me a message on my talk page. jglc | t | c 16:53, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks. There was an anonymous IP adding lines like "it is the 7th tallest" and "it is now the 8th tallest" to the entry; as such, I felt as though I should make sure to check sources to ensure that the article was accurate. jglc | t | c 19:49, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


Hi, I'm just wondering why you unblocked -Ril- on August 8th in the middle of his 3RR block? You said "per request," but surely there was more reason than that. I'm just wondering because Ril's constant 3RRs and disruption is a major part of his current arbcom case. I'm not really second guessing you, I'd just like to see your justification (sorry if you already gave it somewhere, but I couldn't find it). Dmcdevit·t 22:19, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Is that it? You didn't contact the blocking administrator? Or research the case? Or even look at his talk page where no less than seven other administrators he had emailed had already declined to unblock? That sounds a little irresponsible to me, I had expected more reason than that, you know. Dmcdevit·t 01:48, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
The reason that I'm concerned is that you have unblocked users in the midst of a 3RR before. And you even unblocked Plautus Satire after the Arbcom banned him for 2 years. You really have to look into these more before unblocking. Unless it's some AOL user accidentally hit by an IP block, it needs to be something very bad before you reverse some other trusted admin's block. There's simply no reason to trust someone that was blocked for 3RR, vandalism, or some other bad faith. Everyone thinks it was unfair when they are blocked. You should at the very least let the community know on WP:ANI. Dmcdevit·t 08:00, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Hockey logos[edit]

Wow, you did a great job at adding the "right" logos to the teams, especially for the NHL seasons. I was wondering if you had a logo for the New York Americans. I have started an article at 1941-42 NHL season but don't have a logo for that team. I used your logos for the other six teams, though. Also, soon I will be rewriting and expanding the New York Americans article and it would be a great help if you were to toss in a logo there too. Thanks! Masterhatch 18 August 2005

Sorry to bother you again, but could you also get a logo for the 1932-33 NHL season for the Montreal Maroons and the 1981-82 NHL season for the Colorado Rockies (NHL)? Thanks! Masterhatch 18 August 2005


Thanks for standing up to that guy Montrealais about the Montreal boroughs disaster. That guy does whatever he wants whenever he wants so I knew it wouldn't change anything but at least you tried. Thank you.

User Categorisation[edit]

You were listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Canada page as living in or being associated with Canada. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Canadian Wikipedians for instructions. Or just add the following to your user page:

[[Category:Canadian_Wikipedians|{{subst:PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:Wikipedians in Ontario|{{subst:PAGENAME}}]] [[Category:Wikipedians in Ottawa|{{subst:PAGENAME}}]]

- Korivak 19:30, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Ottawa roads[edit]

I originally added road to tenth line since it is part of it's name, but then removed the line completely since it was a duplicate of 10th line (I guess didn't see it when they added it), sorry for the confusion.--FiveIron 04:36:06, 2005-08-21 (UTC)

Halifax and CB help[edit]

Hey there, I just did a bunch of work (with assists from Haunti and Plasma East) to redo Halifax, Nova Scotia, Halifax Regional Municipality, Nova Scotia and Cape Breton Regional Municipality web pages. If you have a minute, can you review and edit the redone pages? I would appreciate your input, if you have a chance!WayeMason 21:15, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


Earl: Thank you for supporting my nomination for adminship. I am honoured that you and others think highly enough of my contributions here to support the nomination. The admin powers will enable me to patrol for vandals more effectively, amongst other things. I promise to use my new powers for good, and not to inflict the retribution on my enemies that they so richly deserve, as tempting as that may be. ;-) And for the record, I am a Red tory, i.e., the kind that will have no truck nor trade with Stephen Harper and his miserable band of bigots and neo-cons. Thanks again, Kevin. Ground Zero 12:46, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Quinte West[edit]

I'm not sure why you deleted items on my recent posting to the topic. I added info about the new mayor (which you deleted) and information about 8 Wing Trenton which is the biggest employer in Quinte West (which you also deleted). Yes, I also deleted the communities that were listed because it looked messy and hardly any of them had stories written about them. At the minimum, I ask you to please repost my info about the mayor and 8 Wing Trenton. --Shanmac 18:36, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


How is the survey not set up properly? - Farquard 20:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

So what you're doing is implenting your proposed "comprimse" that everyone involved has already expressed opposition to. I guess I'll find someone to set up that survey then. Farquard 20:35, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Division No. 6 and no. 11, Alberta[edit]

Please stop reverting my edits or I will take it to an admin. The concensus on the VFD was to keep these articles as statistical data only. Kirjtc2 03:58, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

List of members of the IIHF[edit]

Now why did you revert/remove my addition of Ice Hockey UK? SD6-Agent 01:55, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

ASCII characters[edit]

Hi - is there any reason not to use the simple ASCII character "-" instead of e.g. — especially in article names themselves...? Evercat 21:11, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Winnipeg North[edit]

I think that "provincial electoral constituency" is the more accurate name. Manitoba uses "ridings" to denote federal seats, and "constituencies" to denote provincial seats; it makes sense to use "constituency" in the page title, as such.

Also, I've just finished creating a "provincial electoral constituency" category for Manitoba to replace the "provincial electoral district" category. CJCurrie 01:23, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Just a quick addendum:

When I first created the Manitoba constituency pages, I wasn't clear on the terminology of "constituencies" vs "ridings" -- for that reason, I chose "district" as a neutral, descriptive term.

I've been (gradually) correcting the pages over the last few weeks. CJCurrie 01:47, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Whitby Dunlops[edit]

Thanks for the link to the OHL arena guide. If you read it closely, though, it doesn't say the junior Oshawa Generals became the senior Whitby Dunlops. It just has a stray sentence about the Dunlops. Any reference about Bobby Orr will tell you he played for the Oshawa Generals, not for the Dunlops. He couldn't have played for the Dunlops because they were a senior team, which is how they won the world championship, which is restricted to senior teams (no junior championships in those days).

I must admit the sources which would definitively settle this are either incomplete or missing. Here's a notion, though – I'll go look up some old sports sections at the reference library. John FitzGerald 22:04, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Got your note. I find generally that sources about the history of Canadian popular culture are hard to find. It's not all that easy to find sources about Canadian hitory generally. I'll be looking for evidence soon, though. Somewhere I have a photo of the Dunlops that I got at the Sportsmens' Show in London, Ontario in 1959 or so. Now there's a team that won a word championship, and there is next to nothing about it online. John FitzGerald 16:23, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I finally got round to doing a little research, which I have reported at Talk:Oshawa Generals. John FitzGerald 20:09, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

OHA source[edit]

Don't know if you're familiar with this. Fails to resolve the Whitby/Oshawa issue, though. John FitzGerald 16:35, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Turns out this is a commercial site. Don't know where they cribbed their history rom. John FitzGerald 16:38, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


Hi, you seem to have created the template {{NJGov}}. Can you specify why exactly you think works of New Jersey in particular are in the public domain? A number of states have laws like this, but a number do not, and it would be nice if we could cite a specific source for this rather important copyright information. Thanks! --Fastfission 19:19, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Reasons in afd vote[edit]

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toronto-area roads

Hi, I know you've been here longer than me, and are an admin, and probably know the rules better than I do, but I still thought I should mention that votes in AFD are often (not always) thrown out by some (not all) closers, when the voter doesn't specify a reason (any reason, even a two-letter abbreviation or a "per above" is good enough for the vote to count). Sometimes, people are surprised when an article is deleted, when most people vote to keep. It even happens when others already gave a reason, and somebody figures, there's no need to be redundant. Anyway, if you already heard of this, than just ignore this message. --rob 10:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Simpsons trees[edit]

Hi, can you undelete my images that you deleted? They should have been sourced {{pd-self}} but I guess I forgot to. I dont think they are on my computer anymore (I cant check, as all my data is on a different computer at the moment) so, could you re-upload my stuff? Thanks. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:36, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind, I have figured out how to restore them. -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:41, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Glad to hear it, for future reference images can't be undeleted via the regular undelete function, you have to go via Wikipedia:Lost images.
Image:Simpson tree.PNG didn't have the pd-self template despite it being in the upload summary (odd, that, I thought the upload summary was automatically put in the image description pag?), so I've added it. Since it does say "I the uploader" you may want to remove it and add it yourself just to make it official though. --fvw* 18:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Vancouver municipal election[edit]

<form letter> I've posted something that may be of interest to you at Wikipedia:Canadian wikipedians' notice board/discussion#Vancouver municipal election. Hope you can comment there. </form letter> -The Tom 22:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Municipal elections page[edit]

I checked it out per your MSN message. Not sure if you were looking for anything in particular but all-in-all I thought it was pretty good. My only question is about this line:

Municipalities include any incorporated census subdivision in Canada, and include cities, towns, incorporated townships, villages, incorporated hamlets, Quebec parishes and municipalities, district municipalities and rural municipalities. They may also include various census divisions, if they have an elected council.

Some of the items in their seem redundant and/or backward. Unless I am mistaken, I don't think any province elects by census division or subdivision but instead, Statistics Canada establishes these divisions based on municipal boundaries. If my above assumption is correct, I would suggest you replace the above with the following (I've also removed what I view as redundant):

Each province has its own nomenclature for muncipalities and some have local elections for unincoproated areas which are not technically municipalities. These entities can be called cities, towns, villages, townships, hamlets, parishes and, simply, municipalities, district municipalities or rural municipalities. Many of these may be used by Statistics Canada as the basis for census divisions or census subdivisions.

-- Jord 12:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Oshawa Truckmen[edit]

Hi, Earl,

The team which moved to Whitby to become the Dunlops was the Oshawa Truckmen, a senior team. The source of the confusion of the Generals with the Dunlops seems to be an ambiguous passage in a history of the Oshawa Generals I found. More detail at Talk:Oshawa Generals. The history has a lot of interesting nformation about the Generals which I will use to flesh out the article. John FitzGerald 20:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Swedish hockey logos[edit]

Saw you fixed logos for all the Elitserien teams this summer. But now Leksands IF has joined Elitserien, and they have no logo here yet. --Boivie 06:39, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

NHL player stats[edit]

If you're going to revert my edits, I strongly recommend you not revert them to stats that are outdated.SD6-Agent 06:09, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Getting a idiot banned[edit]

can you take a look at this: and his recent posts as well. I think he deserves an IP block. thanks. Pellaken 21:26, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

thanks for looking into this! Pellaken 23:46, 11 October 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for making a Minto page. That's where I'm from! MS123

Alta Vista[edit]

Hey, I saw your edits to the Alta Vista article, and i just wanted to ask you some questions. If Heron road is added to the boundries, then that excludes a trigle of land where Ridgemont high and Charles H. Hulse schools are... this map from the city's site, shows alta vista (#1) as including this triangle, as does this one from the OCDSB, showing the schools. do you think this triangle should be excluded from the neighbourhood and these schools deleted from the list? Also, how does the list of sub-hoods compare to the ones i put originally.... is there a 'core' alta vista area like the one i defined... what about canterbury? this is where i got some of my info from. let me know what you think. --Someones life 21:18, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, i removed the two schools from the list, added canterbury to the sub-hoods, and re-worded a bit. i didnt think that the sub-hoods needed to all be links, since none of them have articles, and probably arent significant enough to warrant them... but if you really think they should, then go ahead and put them back. Thanks for your help! --Someones life 21:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Maps and colours[edit]


I'd like to compliment you on the election maps. You obviously have put a great deal of time into them. I'm therefore hesitant to make any kind of criticism. However, I have to say that I cannot tell the difference between the NDP colours and the Liberal colours on your maps. Part of this is because I am colourblind, but another user told me that he can't tell the difference between the red and orange either.

Again, while I hate to ask you to do any more work, I'd like to make the following recommendations regarding the maps:

  • Add another kind of visual clue to the maps, such as a circle in the ridings that went NDP in the British Columbia provincial election. Your use of supplemental information on the federal map makes it much easier to understand.
  • Go for clarity over amount of information and use fewer shades.
  • Choose from a palette of blue, red, yellow, black and white. Other combinations can cause problems for colourblind people. (Colourblind people can have trouble telling red from green or orange; blue from purple; yellow from orange; and green from brown.)

Please keep up the good work on the maps and articles.

Mwalcoff 00:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, that's the tradeoff between amount of information and the simplicity of it. No matter how hard I look at the BC map, I can't tell apart all the colours. I think the three suggestions I made above would be helpful in making the map easier to read, but of course it's up to you. -- Mwalcoff 00:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
There is no need to feel bad. You have done a fantastic job with the maps. The only problem is that you made them a bit too informative. I can try to play around with one of them. Thanks -- Mwalcoff 00:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Party Logos[edit]

I have been thinking of putting some of the historical logos of the parties on thier respective pages and I am wondering if you can help. I have seen your Liberal logo on the convention page, it looks good, but you may need to change the canadian leaf in it see[5]. I can probably find the NDP logos and some of the Liberal logos, but do you know where to fing some of the historical PC logos? MS123

There is a page where some old campaign button are available and pictured [6] Have a look, it may come in handy. MS123

I have a logo from the PC leadership convention in 1956. It is photo in a copy of Diefenbaker's memoirs. MS123

New map[edit]

Popular vote map by riding

OK, I've uploaded an edited version of the map under the filename bc2005-3.png I reduced the number of colours and changed the oranges to blue-green. If you use this map, you lose some of the detail but gain in ease of use. There's a possibility that some people more colourblind than I am might still have trouble differentiating between the light red and the light blue-green. I tried using yellow for the NDP, but light yellow looks really ugly. -- Mwalcoff 01:38, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Done. If I get time, I can try doing the same to the maps for other provinces with NDP ridings. Thanks for understanding -- Mwalcoff 02:34, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


Hello, could you please add source/licence to that flag? Thanks, Scriberius 02:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

SPAM: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albert M. Wolters[edit]

An article for deletion discussion in which you participated has been re-opened. You may want to participate in the discussions at VfU:Albert_M._Wolters or discuss at Tony_Sidaway:talk how you feel about his actions.
Sorry for the spam,
brenneman(t)(c) 03:26, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Image source/licensing for Image:Bobchiarelli.jpg[edit]

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Woodroffe Avenue[edit]

Just a heads-up: as this article involves re-created deleted material I took it to Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion. While there, please read the "Purpose" box for future reference. Also, as you are obviously an advocate of road-related articles, please read the arguments against such articles (in related VfD) and help allay our fears while engaging in future editing. Specifically, my concern is the creation of thousand of uncoordinated, poorly-written, off-topic (what does a road mean to you?) articles. --maclean25 07:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


I feel that as a party to the deletion debate on this page, you should not have repeatedly un-deleted the page yourself. I have re-deleted and protected the page pending the outcome of the VfU discussion. I have also posted information about the article to the Administrator's notice board. Please see the discussion there. Best regards, Ëvilphoenix Burn! 18:55, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Narcisse-Fortunat Belleau[edit]

I am wondering what exactly happened to this article? What was the copyright vio that this page was turfed for? --Cloveious 04:56, 20 October 2005 (UTC) Wierd, I am adding the page for undeletion, --Cloveious 05:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Electoral district naming convention[edit]

Hey Earl, I wonder what your opinion is when there is a federal and provincial electoral district of the same name in two different provinces? The issue cropped up on Queen's (electoral district)... there was Queens (Nova Scotia electoral district) which was the page of a federal district but there was also Queens (provincial electoral district) which was a provincial district in Nova Scotia but there was also a provincial district of the same name in New Brunswick. To sort out this confusion, I created the following:

User:Fawcett5 thinks that this is a violation of naming convention, however in my view it is the only way to disambiguate when you have a district of the same name in different provinces at different levels of government.

What are your thoughts? - Jord 16:32, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Well in my view having two electoral districts in New Brunswick, for the sake of this example, one might readily expect to find both the provincial or federal one at Riding (New Brunswick electoral district) is not the point of disabiguatory brackets to make something's context as clear as possible when multiple articles exist? For instance, if there are two people named Bob Best, then you have Bob Best (actor) and Bob Best (poltician) but if you have two people named Jane Smith who are both politicians then you have Jane Smith (Ontario politician) and Jane Smith (New Brunswick poltician) and so on. In my mind if I go to Queens (Nova Scotia electoral district) I expect to find the provincial district, because it still exists and is in use today, as opposed to the federal district which was abolished many years ago. Hence why it would be far easier and less confusing to name them Queens (Nova Scotia federal electoral district) and Queens (Nova Scotia provincial electoral district). Am I making any sense here? - Jord 12:54, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't mean to be stepping on turf and ruffling feathers -- your last comment left me with the impression that that is how you felt. I would be more than happy to go through and make the necessary changes. Perhaps I am biting off more than I can chew but as I see it, I just can't imagine that there are too many examples of there being the same name for a district in two provinces on two levels of government. - Jord 04:24, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. Would you like to get the project fired up or shall I? - Jord 05:10, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I'll put up a skelton. - Jord 05:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Electoral Districts[edit]

Looks like you and Jord beat me to the punch. I have been planning and designing for a couple weeks a brain storming session on federal electoral district articles (I'm usually not in any particular hurry). My plan is layed out here: User:Maclean25/Federal Electoral Districts. Please review it and let me know what you think, especially about the format (ie. will it achieve its intended goal?). It may be complimentary to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Electoral districts in Canada you created. However, it is intended for only federal ridings because I believe provincial debate would get bogged down in regional issues. As an admin, perhaps you could move it from my userspace to the project(?)space. And about that Woodroffe affair (heh), I totally did not forsee that circus coming, and I did not intend to get you in any trouble, my beef was with the article, no hard feelings, eh? --maclean25 08:00, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


This is how I understand it from here: the riding was created as Gloucester-Carelton in 1996, renamed as Carelton-Gloucester in 1997, and then as Ottawa-Orleans in 2000. This why I had the funny piping in the link. I intend to start a campaign to rename it one last time to "Bernice" and leave it at that. Ground Zero | t 22:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

map colours[edit]

I am not sure which specific maps you speak of, I did change all the election maps, however all I changed was the PC colour because I thought PC's should be lighter. I didn't change the NDP colours. MS123

Saint-Lin et la marque des Laurentides[edit]

Psssst, em-dash in the name of a town? Canada only uses em-dashes in the names of electoral districts, remember? Not towns and cities. It is Saint-Lin-Laurentides with a plain old run-of-the-mill hyphen, because it's not a riding, it's a plain old run-of-the-mill municipality.

Oh, by the way, I also restored Narcisse-Fortunat Belleau, although I've stripped it back down to a stub. If you want to expand it back up to snuff, feel free...just don't cut and paste text directly from the Dictionary of Canadian Biography. Bearcat 05:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

A redirect is probably fine — but from what I can tell, there seems to be a disconnect between what the MAMR uses and what the town itself uses on its own website. And I'd be much more inclined to conform to the town's own usage, personally. But we could always e-mail somebody at the MAMR to confirm what's really correct, if you'd prefer.
As for M. Belleau, all I know is that the discussion that tipped me off to the problem in the first place came from your talk page (*grin*) Bearcat 05:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

comment in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint-Lin, Quebec[edit]

Hi, I notice you often reference the "Quebec federation of municipalities" and give as the link. I don't speak French, but I don't think those two things are the same. The link you gave, is to Regional/Municipal Affairs for the Quebec provincial government, which is obviously the appropriate authority to cite when discussing municipalities. But the organization "Quebec federation of municipalities" is actually, and seems to be a voluntary assocation of members, with no special powers or authority over anything (and appears to partner with the Regional/Municipal Affairs for Quebec, but not be the same thing). --rob 06:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I noticed you left a comment (weak keep) in Alan Shefman's page that is up for deletion. Although Vaughan is one of the fastest growing cities in Candada it is still far from being a big city. Vaughan is less than half the size of Mississaga and there councillors don't even meet the critiria to be posted. The mayor of Vaughan doesn't even have an article and this is even questionable if he deserves an article. Eyeonvaughan 5 November 2005

Electoral Areas[edit]

I noticed you created an article for a BC Electoral Area at Peace River C, British Columbia. I, too, have been thinking about how to best structure the regional district articles and how to deal with the electoral areas. However, instead of separate articles for each I'm leaning towards including the E.A.s into the parent regional district article like in Fraser Valley Regional District, British Columbia at least until I see there is enough info to split it off. But there really isn't much difference between them, they are like 'wards' in Ottawa or Toronto (but rural). Their borders exist solely for political reasons (to cover enough people to justify one director on the Board) and don't follow any historical or natural feature boundary. So, I'm not sure how to expand an E.A. article beyond the stub you create with census data and a little geography (since it is a geographic area). If you think a separate article is best, how do you plan to fill it? Perhaps create a complete test article to see if justifies an separate article or can be better presented in the R.D. article. --maclean25 02:52, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think this is not an obvious topic to automatically create an article on. Why do census subdivisions automatically get articles? From my point of view this census data belongs in the regional district article. The regional district is just a federation of these electoral areas (plus member municipalities) so they must be described in that article. The question will be what further info, beyond that in the R.D. article can be said about the electoral area. That is why I believe the R.D. articles should be created first and expanded. If the E.A. require separate articles, then so be it. Or is it that you're saying the proposed articles will be on census subdivisions unrelated to regional districts, and it just so happens that they share a border with the electoral areas? --maclean25 04:07, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
I have recently come across a lot of information that I can add to these (for the Peace region anyways).--maclean25 04:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Ontario map origins?[edit]

I'm trying to track down the source image that was used to create (among other things) Goldhorse.PNG. Bearcat referred me to you, stating it's GFDL. I'd appreciate it if you could refer me to the original map and inform me as to the license. Thanks in advance. IceKarma 10:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Quebec municipal elections[edit]

Why did you erase my additions???Souris2005 17:04, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

I'll add more, but there's too much information to add in a single page. I'm not sure what to do: 1. Try to keep it on the same page (1000 municipalities, with at least 7 contenders for each, it would give about at least 7000 names) 2. Make pages for each region (it would give something like that: Quebec municipal elections, 2005, results in Abitibi-Témiscamingue. What do you think? Or maybe a page for each election?Souris2005 13:09, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for checking my work. Translating the official descriptions of riding boundaries from Electionscanadese to English makes my head swim, and I am prone to getting things a bit mucked up. Regards, Ground Zero | t 23:20, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I know Eastern Ontario ridings well enough, having made maps going back to 1974 for them. -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:26, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

So, do you know what's going on in Ottawa South? The article says that Barry Turner got the nomination, and then it was overturned, and now Allan Cutler is going to seek the nomination. Why did Barry get turfed? Inquiring minds want to know. Ground Zero | t 18:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't know much more than you. In a google search, I found this article: -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

MPs in cities[edit]

I removed the list of MPs from Dawson Creek, British Columbia. The article is already past the "suggested size" of 30Kb and I don't think that MPs had that much impact on the city. Also, many of them governed before the city was even incorporated. Perhaps a list of mayors would be more appropriate for cities. I appreciate the thought, it would definately be in a subpage dealing strictly with Government and politics of Dawson Creek. This may happen as there is a lot more I want to add, too. --maclean25 04:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Might I suggest that in lieu of that list on that page the same list should be (if it isn't already) on the relevant riding page (Prince George North, I think - or Peace River Something?). Sorta a no-brainer.Skookum1 05:14, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
The list was for every MP for Dawson Creek, which was for multiple ridings. -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:22, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I did not mean any offense by the removal. But I have got the format just how I like it so any non-minor additions make me nervous, especially since it is in the midst of the FAC process (a brand new section suddenly appearing made me jump). With the city's article I am trying to be as specific as possible (without getting bogged down in detail) and a list of MPs really upped the ante as to what can be included. I tried to maintain a constant level of detail (not getting bogged down, nor being too broad) throughout the article. I saw your edit to the template on the city polls. You have a point that it is too specific, so I added template brackets to the "locale" so that it can be amended in each article to say "city", "village", "neighbourhood", "community" or whathaveyou. --maclean25 05:55, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Historical Electoral District Maps?[edit]

Hi there Earl Andrew. I've begun work on historical election districts in British Columbia and wondering if I can draw on your cartographic skills; the Elections BC site doesn't have any maps, nor any riding descriptions, which at least the Elections Canada site has for its historical ridings (which also need Wikimaps, btw); first one up is Lillooet (electoral district) and I just made a link to Victoria (British Columbia electoral district) (long name required because of same-name federal riding) and its predecessor Victoria City (British Columbia electoral district), which expired in 1966 and needs the stuff in parantheses because of the Victoria City area of HK. in its wikilink as I don't know if there was a federal riding by that name yet. Just asking; not sure where you got yours from or if you hand-drew the boundaries, and gather it can be a lot of work. Also wanted to turn you onto a resource if you don't know about it already: BC Govt Maps Online Skookum1 05:14, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Info on BC map resources on my TalkPage[edit]

Wrote up some stuff last night before bed and meant to leave a quick reference over to it there; I didn't want to clutter up your own talk page with my georamblings; links to map resources there and here are two links to rough drafts I made of the Coast Chilcotin boundary this morning, using the Elections Can site as a guideline: and

The boundary points are the only ones that I can identify; the others listed on the EC page are the eastern and southeastern edge of the Lillooet Land District, so I dotted the boundary in that area as I'm not sure where it is; only a rough idea; can't access the L.D. display on Basemap/LDRWC for some reason; will have to refer to paper maps or other sources; some of those semi-horizontal lines on the solid boundary are supposed to be horizontal (lines of latitude). Eyeballed the north boundary of North and West Vancouvers, and some of the smaller islands I didn't take the time to hunt down but they're unpopulated, more or less, and the channel information gave me a good idea where to go. Ocean boundary on west is indeterminate but I did my best; fairly simple north from there, although there's a jiggle that doesn't quite show in my sloppy work; again unpopulated, probably, so no biggie. Eastern boundary is an issue for me, as it will determine which towns are in/out of the riding.Skookum1 18:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Coast Chilcotin map project[edit]

Sorry, re your message; I've got the "too much information" disease and was just trying to be thorough about the online resources and my background in prominence work. Immediate project is just to make a better-looking map than my rough draft for the Coast Chilcotin boundary, which is the second link below:

Can't be certain about that eastern boundary because I have to find a map with the Lillooet Land District boundaries on it; I have a rough idea but for now what's on the map will do. Just do that one; only federal boundaries are in the offing; I'll have a look and see what defunct federal electoral districts in BC are already in Wikipedia, then generate some other roughed-out boundary maps to work from.Skookum1 02:43, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

reply to your reply[edit]

No problem; no rush intended, and good luck with your exams and papers. I'll come up with other ridings as mentioned just above. My MSN is ma_cleven(at)hotmail.comSkookum1 02:54, 25 November 2005 (UTC)