User talk:Egil/Archive 1

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Hello and Welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place. --mav

Hi Egil and welcome. I appreciate your edit on photographic topics on Wikipedia. It's a good think you're here, I feel less alone. Ericd

I can only congratulate with all the work done so far - it is impressive! I cannot promise anything wrt. how much time I can use, though.

PS: Is there any way I can get my name/link added automatically when I respond to a Talk: item?

Hi Egil, welcome to Wikipedia. The signing thing is done with three tildes (~~~) for just your username (DrBob) or four (~~~~) for your username + time and date (DrBob 18:14 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC)).

Hello, and a belated welcome to wikipedia. I've noticed your work on film formats--impressive stuff.  :-) Given that you're knowledgeable about film, could you please take a look at the stub I just created, perspective distortion? My experience with photography is, er, unschooled, generally.  :-) I'm sure your attention could improve it. Best, Koyaanis Qatsi

Good addition at perspective distortion. could you explain about "pillow distortion", please? I've never heard of it. Best, Koyaanis Qatsi

Hello, thanks. I've another for you, at Push printing. I wrote it based on memory of a Nat'l Geographic book I read in June, plus brief (& unpleasant) experience with it lately. Unfortunately I can't find the Nat'l Geographic book I had (only the landscape one, not the general one) and I can't find info about it on the web. Could you please check over the article? Thanks, Koyaanis Qatsi

I hear people refer to "stopping up" a photo while changing the shutter speed. Is this technically incorrect, then, since stop==f-stop==f-number? Is there a different term for it? Koyaanis Qatsi
I've only heard "stop" used in terms of f-stops, FWIW.
Hm, perhaps the people who hang out with me are as confused as I am. Not good. You seem emphatically un-confused, could you please check the article again? I've tried to correct it but now I'm going to bow out. I've waded in over my head on this one. ^_^ Koyaanis Qatsi 08:19 Jan 30, 2003 (UTC)
Please -- my opinions are just that -- opinions. Egil
Well, sure, and mine are just opinions, too, but what I'm talking about is a difference in knowledge base.  :-)
Here's what a friend sent back about the link:
"With negatives, pushing and pulling the film is a change in developement time or temperature to increase or decrease contrast. By leaving the film in the developer longer more contrast is built up when the highlights increase in silver density.
"I wonder if what they mean is a compensation of EXPOSURE when printing. The paper is exposed more or less (through aperture or time) but the development time stays the same."
So I think I must still have the description confused somewhat. Koyaanis Qatsi

Either you are the fastest typist alive or you are using a bot. If you do plan on using bots for extended periods of time please do read and follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:bots. --mav

Specifically, contact User:Brion VIBBER to get an account registered as a bot, making it possible to filter it in the RC list. --Eloquence 14:45 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC)

Egil, could you please slow down your rate of article submission. You are drowning out all other activity on Recent Changes! -- Anon.

No, it is not a bot. Click and paste, mostly. There are simply too many entries that require disambiguation or other intervention to make a bot practical in this contect anyway, as far as I can see. I've done about half the entries now - haven't got time for more right now, anyway - and will take the rest piecevise when I get time. Egil 15:24 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC) PS: Finished now...

What typos did I make? LittleDan

Egil: when listing pages on Votes for Deletion (or removing nonsense content), please state what the nonsense content was (or give an excerpt), instead of saying "no encyclopedic merit". Thanks. --The Cunctator

Yay! We have orders of mag articles for temperature now! One point, please only link the first occurrence of any particular order of mag article. For example, since the melting and boiling point of mercury are in the same order of magnitude, you should only provide an order of mag link for the first occurrence (in this case melting point). Oh and elements are lowercased unless the start a sentence. Great work! --mav

Why are you deleting all of the year entries before 550 BC? When (& where) was this decided? I most strongly object to this! -- llywrch 05:33 Apr 2, 2003 (UTC)

OK, I found the relevant entry at Wikipedia talk:Timeline standards. Please see my argument there. -- llywrch 06:12 Apr 2, 2003 (UTC)

From Talk:1 E52 kg: If you're intending to group these into thousands as well, as implied by the "lighter masses" link being to 1 E49 kg, then this really ought to be at 1 E51 kg, linking to 1 E48 kg. -- John Owens 06:23 Apr 9, 2003 (UTC)

From User:Williamv1138: Re league. I was being funny when I put that in. The definition of league I put in was tongue-in-cheek, having been copied from the satirical novel, Bored of the Rings. Quite appropriate to remove it.

I have a bit of a pb with standardizing external link format. Whatever the form I give to it, someone sometimes behind me change it, one for a three bars format, another one with a double quote format, and a third one to triple quote format. So, I concluded there was a triple form standard depending on the editor...or that nobody knew really...or care...or there was no standard. So, if there is an official format, could you please direct me to it ? user:anthere

I agree that it is confusing (and might I add, somewhat unprofessional) with all the different formats. The Wikipedia:Manual of Style specifies ==External links==, as does the Wikipedia:Boilerplate text. Often the singular form is used when there is a single link, which to me seems logical enough. -- Egil 14:34 Apr 13, 2003 (UTC)

hum, I think using ==External links== is a bit ridiculous in a small article, with no == used at all. It gives a strong emphasis on the external links, when it is probably not what it is supposed to do. That convention doesnot sound good to me, so I guess, I will go on doing just as I feel like it :-) And others will go on correcting as they feel like it too :-) Thanks for answering. Anthere

In my own opinion it works very well also in small articles, since it separates the external links well from Wiki material, which is good IMHO. I guess it is a matter of taste, and I guess I like consistency in such matters... Egil

Egil, about the comment in Wikipedia talk:Timeline standards that I deleted:

Yes, I wrote that in haste, & am sorry I did so. That is why I deleted it. And no, it is not a threat; I have no personal contacts with any of the people I mentioned in that comment. But your pre-emptive act of moving the cutoff forward to 500 BC -- instead of 600 BC -- made me angry. In effect, you used one of my objections as an excuse to push your campaign to consolidate entries even further.

Once I realized that a brief ``get lost" comment like that did not help the larger issue -- which is that instead of looking for a compromise you acted to further your agenda, & if you did this in a later situation you could trigger an edit war & end up causing an even bigger mess -- I removed my comment. I am clearly too emotional about this to convince you that your act was a bad thing. I have asked a neutral party to evaluate this issue, & hopefully explain how in one stroke you mishandled things. (Then again, being a neutral party, *I* may be told to cool it. I know I haven't always acted correctly on Wikipedia.) -- llywrch 19:31 Apr 13, 2003 (UTC)

Egil, I don't see the need for 26 different pages for the NATO phonetic alphabet. Moreover, many of the words like Romeo, Lima and Whiskey are interesting topics of their own.

I hope you will bear this in mind. --Uncle Ed 14:06 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)

Of course they are interesting topics on their own -- the references to the NATO alphabet are meant as "see also"s. Which I think is quite relevant, in many cases people may noe realize that some term are references to this alphabet. Egil

I refer to Rogaland article
I tried the external link to the map [1] and it does not work. It would be nice if you can fix it
I tried but … Dod1 04:48 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)

Seems the content at the end of that link just recently has disappeared. I found another map, but I'm not sure how permanent this is. -- Egil 06:35 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)
10x 4 the quick response (Just wanted to help fix old q broken URL)

Dod1 07:29 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)

Please write articles before creating empty pages containing nothing but pictures. -- Zoe

Maybe not articles, but one line stubs would be nice. :) --mav

What is your email? Like a Virgin

Zoe is a professional editor and a very competent one. In the beginning I mistook this competence for an over-zealous agenda myself. And I was completely wrong and I deeply regret that. It was my fault that she was targeting my work. I was being argumentative and over-defensive when people questioned my contributions, not being accustomed with the line of questioning, only really being used to answering questions from people who shared my areas of expertise. My means of addressing criticism, which was often based on misjudgments (my fault too for contributing to very controversial articles when I was a new user), was very inappropriate. I thought that I could tell her to look at a history text, for instance, when she questioned a title to a page that I had started on New Imperialism, since she wasn't familiar with this term in reference to the aggressive nationalism and imperialism from the Franco-Prussian War to the Great War. If I had answered her questions professionally a lot of trouble would have been averted.

So even if Zoe has come to an incorrect conclusion on something that doesn't pertain to her areas of expertise (professional editors aren't all-knowing), her questions are usually the questions that a conscientious, astute non-expert would come to when an argument isn't clear and convincing enough. Thus, don't mistake her competence for spitefulness. Answer her questions deliberately, clearly, and politely and the content that you had contributed will be greatly improved (in terms of readability, clarity, and objectivity). Avoid my mistakes. 172

Egil, I think your "photo-stub" articles are fine. Don't worry if someone calls for their deletion; some people simply don't like stubs at all. -- Stephen Gilbert 14:37 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

I tried to get a map of Sandnes's neighborhood in MapQuest and did not find this town (in Rogaland county)
Can you assist ? -- Dod1 00:07 May 3, 2003 (UTC)

There is obviously a bug in Mapquest there. Try this one:

Mapquest does not seem to have much detail available. A street map would be available at:

-- Egil 05:34 May 3, 2003 (UTC)
Is it OK with you, that I'll insert these maps into Sandnes article ? (After all you found'em) -- Dod1 06:31 May 3, 2003 (UTC)
As long as they are links under "External links" (we would not have permission to anything else), then go right ahead.... Egil
Thanks. I added only one map to Sandnes. The MapQuest caused some paragraph disorder, so I decided to give up.
Thanks again for your assistance. -- Dod1 22:14 May 3, 2003 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks for sorting out those names on U.S. list of most wanted Iraqis this morning, and making all those redirects. I thought about trying to sort out what the names should be myself, but it seemed too daunting! Names in Arabic-speaking countries seem to be transliterated in so many different ways that I never know what to do with them... -- Oliver P. 22:08 May 3, 2003 (UTC)

Are you purposely following me around and changing things I have contributed just for the sake of changing them because I contributed them? -- Zoe

No, I am not. I recall changing some articles from Recent changes where you added images. Images are a valuable contribution. These images just needed a slight adjustment of adding a missing margin/padding. This is particularily a problem on left adjusted images, but even on right adjusted images in many cases. Also, the captions were not in accordance to the style sheet. In addition to the inconsistent/unprofessional look from a typographical POV, the combination small, bold and italics meant that readable suffered. Since I discovered that problem persisted for many images that were submitted by one particular user, are you suggesting I should refrain from doing something about these issues due to fear it might hurt his/her feelings? -- Egil 04:37 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
No, but I am suggesting you might want to give me an explanation as to why you're changing my contributions. -- Zoe
Sorry, but I have no other explanation than that I try to be bold in updating pages. If someone claim ownership of these pages and feel insulted, I can only apologize. -- Egil 09:36 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

Call me a racist again and there will be some serious trouble. This is not acceptable behavior here, or in any other public forum. You are grossly mistaken. Apologise and retract, and I will take the matter no further. Tannin 13:59 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

I cannot see I have anything to apologise and retract. My view is that thoughts you expressed in Talk:Women's suffrage had clear elements of racism, as I define the word (and which I believe is close to the internationally accepted norm), and that has been the extent of my remark. Your outright treats will certainly not change my stand on these human right issues. My only regrets in this matter would be that I seem not to have been able to formulate myself in a manner that could nourish contemplation. -- Egil 16:01 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

Then you should read more carefully. Your edit summary of an hour or two ago was entirely unacceptable. I have no wish to make an enemy of you, Egil, but I will not tolerate having my views so grossly misrepreseted, by you, or by anyone else. The above is another example. You should learn to distinguish between people who report on historical attitudes on the one hand, and people who hold those attitudes on the other - it really isn't terribly difficult. Next time you write in an article or on a talk page that, for example, Hitler thought Jews were subhuman (which he undoubtedly did), shall I then seize on this as evidence that you yourself are anti-Semetic? That's what you just did to me, and I will not accept that slander. Tannin

Hi, is an orphan. could you find some articles to point to it? :) Kingturtle 06:07 May 14, 2003 (UTC)

You just did.
It's an orphan, meant to be ready to receive any links that may occur in the future. If you feel like deleting it, and that gives you a kick, I don't care (any longer). Someone may have to find out about and redo the disambiguation at some stage, but it sure won't be me. -- Egil 20:05 May 15, 2003 (UTC)

hi there! just got a question about the Image:Cable Ferry.jpg , theres a big discussion about copyrights on the german wikipedia, i want to know if the picture is really FREE for use (GNU-FDL) and who's the contributor.. since you've been uploading it i adress this to you. (I'm currently working on de:Fähre thanks! -- pit 15:07 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)

The image was taken by me personally, and is FREE. -- Egil 05:05 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)
thank you! i'll use it then.. -- pit 09:11 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Left a note at Talk:Alta, you may want to look.. -- hike395 05:16 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi, at Talk:Push printing you say that push developing causes more grain in the film, yet from the examples I have at push printing, which were push printed (not push developed), there is much more apparent grain in the pushed version. I'm wondering if you misspoke or if, as usual, I'm misunderstanding something. Perhaps there's another explanation for it? Koyaanis Qatsi 16:57 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi Egil

I am looking for a program to load a mass of articles (batch load) to Wiki.
I try to add new articles to the newly born Hebrew Wikipedia. Can U pl. give me some directions? -- Dod1 08:28 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

If you're around again soon, please see Talk:Orders of magnitude. -- John Owens 18:45, 2003 Oct 25 (UTC)

These days, it seems I only get time for an occasional visit. Which subject were you thinking of? (PS: I can be reached by email: egil at -- Egil 13:31, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Hi, I added your name to Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Norway; hope it's OK. If not, I guess you're capable of fixing it :-)
Wernher 00:17, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I see that you've taken the initiative to move the bicycle repair pages to wikibooks. If the original wikipedia pages are going to be deleted, can you copy and paste the "page history" information onto the talk page of the relevent wikibook page. This way information about who is the original author of the pages is preserved. Thanks, and good work. Maximus Rex 22:31, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I do not really see any reason why they should be deleted - I've copied the info non-the-less (just text, without links, better than nothing). -- Egil


Numbers Project[edit]

I'd like to ask you to sign on to the project Wikipedia:WikiProject_Numbers. I recognize your great work on the numbers 1 - 20 and the great precedent you set with these fascinating articles. PrimeFan 19:07, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)


Just a note that you are linking to SAR on your sandbox page. The link you want is to Saudi riyal. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:01, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi Egil can you have a look to Talk:Distortion caused by the camera lens. Thanks. Ericd 19:22, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Centuries and Millennia[edit]

Just FYI (since I saw that you created most of the redirects I just corrected), the 1st century BC was from 100 BC through 1 BC (there was no year 0 BC). Similarly, the 1st millennium was from 1000 BC through 1 BC. So 100 BC is the first year of the 1st century BC (not the last year of the 2nd century BC), 200 BC is the first year of the 2nd century BC, etc. I fixed all the redirects for those years to point to the appropriate century/millenium. I'm going to go make a note of this on Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) since this is a common mistake. Cheers! --Wclark 03:16, 2004 Jul 21 (UTC)


You have a link to barrel on User:Egil/Sandbox and it should probably point to barrel (unit). Barrel is a disambiguation page that I just finished disambiguating. But I don't mess with user pages. Just thought you might like to know. Kevin Rector 19:35, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

1 E-# J pages[edit]

The information on "your" pages 1 E-23 J through 1 E48 J should probably be consolidated onto one page to make it more useful for readers. At the very least, the individual pages should be placed into an appropriate Wikipedia:Category so people can see all the possible pages and move among them "at random". (To accomplish this you would add, for example, "[[Category:Energies in Joules]]" to the source of each each page and then edit the "Category:Energies in Joules" page and add, say, "[[Category:Energy]]" to it.) I think just putting all the info on one page is the better solution, though. - dcljr 22:46, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing[edit]

Hi, I've started the Free the Rambot Articles Project which has the goals of getting users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to...

  1. ...all U.S. state, county, and city articles...
  2. ...all articles...

using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) version 1.0 and 2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to the GFDL (which every contribution made to Wikipedia is licensed under), but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles (See the Multi-licensing Guide for more information). Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. So far over 90% of people who have responded have done this.

Nutshell: Wikipedia articles can be shared with any other GFDL project but open/free projects using the incompatible Creative Commons Licenses (e.g. WikiTravel) can't use our stuff and we can't use theirs. It is important to us that other free projects can use our stuff. So we use their licenses too.

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} template (or {{MultiLicensePD}} for public domain) into their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:


Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} with {{MultiLicensePD}}. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know at my talk page what you think. It's important to know, even if you choose to do anything so I don't keep asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk) 14:18, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

"Move" feature[edit]

I didn't see this here so I thought I'd add it...I'm pretty sure it moves the history for you. I know it will also move the talk page and create the appropriate redirects automatically. It will not change links to the old title, which it seems nobody did here either. Brianjd 07:48, 2005 Jan 27 (UTC)


Hi there; based on your contributions I get a feeling that you might be a Nordmøring? (although you have also done stuff on other areas in the Kingdom). Am I right? I am one myself, you see (not too difficult to deduce, perhaps, given my WKP-activities) -- from "Baill", if you know what I mean. :-) --Wernher 10:54, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not. But your question prompts me to ask you to write a little chapter in Category:landscapes of Norway explaining why the valley/fjord/landscape is more important for the identity of Norwegians than the county or municipality. — Egil 11:26, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Well, I had to make a guess. Where are you from, then? And as for the identity-by-landscape material, I made some ruminations to be seen in the cat article; hopefully it's a start; I absolutely think the cat is a relevant one, so a chapter/section like you requested is a meaningful part of the introduction to such a cat. --Wernher 23:28, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Landscapes of Norway[edit]

I left a note for you over at the landscape-category-thing :) -BsL-

New Mathematics Wikiportal[edit]

I noticed you've done some work on Mathematics articles. I wanted to point out to you the new Mathematics Wikiportal- more specifically, to the Mathematics Collaboration of the Week page. I'm looking for any math-related stubs or non-existant articles that you would like to see on Wikipedia. Additionally, I wondered if you'd be willing to help out on some of the Collaboration of the Week pages.

I encourage you to vote on the current Collaboration of the Week, because I'm very interested in which articles you think need to be written or added to, and because I understand that I cannot do the enormous amount of work required on some of the Math stubs alone. I'm asking for your help, and also your critiques on the way the portal is set up.

Please direct all comments to my user-talk page, the Math Wikiportal talk page, or the Math Collaboration of the Week talk page. Thanks a lot for your support! ral315 02:54, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

Coordinates templates[edit]

Thanks for your inspired work on this. It's one of the neatest wiki-things I've seen in a good long while. Hajor 16:10, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Glad you like it. Perhaps you would like to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates? -- Egil 16:57, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I've put it on my Watchlist and I'll (strive to) remember to include the templates in any future geographical articles that go through my hands. Hajor 17:01, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hi, there. I don't know whether this is an issue with the "dm" implementation or with the conversion over to the external site, but please take a look at La Piedad, where I've added 20°20′N 102°01′W / 20.333°N 102.017°W / 20.333; -102.017. That gets reported over on the Map Sources page as "20° 20″ 1200′ N 102° 1″ 60′ W". Is this an issue, or (quite possibly) am I doing something wrong? Best, Hajor 01:47, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There was a bug, and I've fixed it now, hopefully. Thanks. -- Egil 09:39, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hi Egil, on the 11 of february I added a little thing to the history of Stavanger, on the nato joint warfare center and statoils headquarters and Forus og Gausel idrettslag. You removed the whole thing saying that it was not relevant. I DO understand that you think that the information on forus og gausel idrettslag isn't relevant, and I totally accept that you erased it. I also am new to the whole wikipediaconsept so i understand that the information on statoil and the joint warfare center at forus maybee weren't written according to wikipedia standards. Now that i have stated this, I wish to question your opinion that information on norway biggest oil company and the Nato joint warfare center and what impact it has had on the forus and stavanger area are not relevant when it comes to a general article on Stavanger. I would like to have your opinion on this. I have investigated your relentless work on wikipedia, and you have written many interesting article and stayed true to the wikipedia spirit. Thats why I want to throw you a challenge. I challenge you to incorporate information on the Nato joint warfare center and Statoil in the Stavanger article, according to your principles OR explain to me touroughly why it is irrelevant in this context.

This might be a frivoulous claim but it might seem that your reluctance to include information on the forementioned points might be fueled by a ideological agenda, taking a far left stand on capitalism on the Statoil issue, while beeing opposed to norwegian Nato membership og Nato joint warfare center-issue by not wanting to let information on these being published, should this. To take this slandering question further, this might lead me to think that you are among the ranks of the Akp (ml) movement. This would maybee explain you blatant revisionism on this particular issue

Reading several of your articles, I has come to my attention that your style of writing reminds me om a Stavanger Aftenblad journalist called Svein EGIL Omdal. Is that name identical with yours? If it isn't I would like to say that it is meant as a compliment as he is one of the most trenchant journalists in norway, and maybee the world.

Yours respectfully Henrik

You wrote: I wish to question your opinion that information on norway biggest oil company and the Nato joint warfare center and what impact it has had on the forus and stavanger area are not relevant when it comes to a general article on Stavanger.
This information very much belongs, indeed the Stavanger article is very incomplete without it. On fact Stavanger needs more info on current businesses and activities of various kind. But having to spend an hour dealing with some vandal, I was in a bad mood that day. And since your contribution was placed under History and also contained info on an obscure sports club, I deleted it. I am sincerely sorry: I should have done something more constructive. And no, I am not a journalist ;-) -- Egil 17:22, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hey, I noticed you added a link to the external coordinate special page in geolinks (streetscale at least). I'd prefer not to do this; like I mentioned at the wikiproject talk, I see te geolinks template as a more selective resource. The idea is that we point people to what we consider the *best* resources for various types of information. Your effort on the coordinate special page is really nice, but I think we should keep these ideas separate for now. --Chinasaur 03:23, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Also to answer your question, 100000 was way too big to match the "streetscale" template. That was closer to countyscale. --Chinasaur 03:28, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

If you want, we could use your template in the header to geolinks. Essentially make the header "Maps and aerial photos for {{coor|etc|etc}}". I'm not crazy about it, but it might help draw attention to your efforts assuming people even notice the geolinks section at the bottom of the city pages... --Chinasaur 03:28, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

your bot adding towns in norway etc[edit]

Nice work, but it seems the bot is adding an extra \n that shows up in the articles. Just a simple bug, I guess, and maybe you've allready noticed it. Shanes 23:18, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out - silly that I missed it - but it is being repaired now. -- Egil 23:28, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Saw your note about Kyrksæterøra. We probably need a category for "tettsteder" in Norway. I took a peek at Sandvika, and it isn't categorized at all. This also applies to places (e.g., Ringsaker that are both "tettsteder" and municipalities. I'd propose the term "communities," though it's a bit ambiguous in that it also refers to non-geographical entities. --Leifern 15:40, 2005 Feb 28 (UTC)
Good question. (Sandvika was declared a town 4 June 2003, btw.). I agree "community" is not very good. I would suggest "village", which really conveys the correct message, I think. -- Egil 18:46, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Nobot questions[edit]

Hi, I'm mostly involved with the Norsk (Nynorsk) version of Wikipedia, but I'm watching a few pages close to me Herøy, Møre og Romsdal, Midtre Gauldal and noticed Nobot (Norbot?). I wondered were you're getting the numbers. The area of Herøy is obviously a contested value, Nobot's is the fourth I've seen the last week. I'm currently leaning to SSB, which states the number as 120 square kilometers. My local newspaper also showed that the population numbers for January 1st 2005 were out, although SSB isn't updated according to it. PS Seems like you're doing a great job. Larsivi 13:40, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

My numbers are official SSB, from Statistical Yearbook of Norway, 2004 [2]. The area is the land area, rounded down to the nearest km². -- Egil 13:48, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC) PS: Thanks
Ah, I see. It seems like SSB use the 'Total' value for their Regional Statistics pages: [3]. If you click on Herøy, you'll find 120 (Total) as opposed to the 118 of Land area. Larsivi 14:18, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Can always change it. What is most useful/conventional? -- Egil 15:07, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
IMHO 'total is more correct as lakes can dry out, etc. Larsivi 18:25, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
In Norway? You must be kidding... -- Egil 19:10, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Not in the scales seen in Asia, but in Herøy (which prompted my first question), most of the "lakes" are freswater supplies, and they are occasionally partially drained for maintainance. Shallow lakes are also prone to weed growth if properly polluted. I do see that none of them are very good arguments for using the other figure, but still... :) Larsivi 21:18, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The infobox now lists both the total area and the land area. -- Egil 09:07, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Hi Egil, thx for your note. see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Norway for a short answer. regards Tobias Conradi 08:56, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Worldwind layer[edit]

You can make text appear in your wiki layer by adding "TiledPlacenameSet" tags, I think. You have to have a separate list of placenames, and they seem to be in a non trivial file format. Download the "World Heritage Site" addon to see how this is done. I don't really know the details. Oh and that package may well also help you with categorization. There are a ridiculous number of World Heitage Sets, but by grouping things into TiledPlacementSet, it enables you to just display one country.

You should perhaps also increase the "DistanceAboveSurface". When you zoom in on Wikipedia links at a high altitude, (say the one in the middle of the Sierra Nevada), it gets hard to work out what the point is actually pointing to.

Oh and as the point density increases, it might be better to go for a smaller, less obtrusive icon. The World Heritage Site addon uses a 12x12 one which is perfectly clickable on. I'm having a "fiddle" now, so I'll post it here if i get anywhere.

Thanks. Yes, I'm sure there is much fine tuning needed. I will need time for this. I also made a version for the new 1.3, but for some reason it doesn't work. (Neither of the other built-in overlays with icons work either). -- Egil 18:12, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, I'm very impressed. Not least by the fact that you managed to get the data out of Wikipedia in the first place. I hope I didn't sound rude above. Anyway, best of luck. You seem to be a busy man from reading this talk page. People thinking you're a bot is quite an achievement...
Here are my attempts at icons. They get progressively less visible as the numbers increase from 1 to 5. The first two put the W in a jigsaw piece, the rest are just a W with varying degrees of borders. You can't really tell what they're like against the background of this page. They're not all the same... Honest...potential icon for the nasa world wind wikipedia layerpotential icon for the nasa world wind wikipedia layerpotential icon for the nasa world wind wikipedia layerpotential icon for the nasa world wind wikipedia layerpotential icon for the nasa world wind wikipedia layer--cfp 20:03, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Your comments are very welcome, indeed. I've made an updated version for World Wind 1.3 (the pointers are in ) which uses a 12 pixel circle as an icon, that seems to work better. I don't know if there is a way to switch icon according to elevation.
In terms of generating, it really help if all the articles use the coor template directly or indirectly. With (hopefully) increasing number of points, I also see that there will be a need for adding a category — more about that later. -- Egil 20:43, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Coat of arms[edit]

I tried leaving a message at the site, but for some reason the webpage didn't work. Thanks for taking the trouble to do this. I have already downloaded and converted all the files (I used a batch graphics conversion shareware that dealt with the transparency issue very nicely) and am in the middle of uploading. I'm happy to put the uploading off until you come up with a way to automate it; then I can send the remaining files to you in a zip file or something. Otherwise, the uploading is kind of mindless work that I do while watching TV or sitting on endless teleconferences (80% of my job). --Leifern 16:29, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)

I can upload them to the commons, if you like, with the correct comments and attributions. Just send me the ZIP to egil at -- Egil 07:06, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am sure you are aware of the troubles surrounding the legality of using COAs. Anyway, I know a guy in Kommuneforlaget and he sent me a copy of some pages of a book about Norwegian COAs. A relevant passage about the usage is posted at nn:Wikipedia-diskusjon:Wikiprosjekt_Norske_fylke_og_kommunar#Kommune-_og_fylkesv.C3.A5pen. The conclusion is anyway that it's ok to use them but probably not to store them in Commons (the license is not likely to be that free). I'm also awaiting some answers regarding the use of the image files in Kommunenøkkelen (whether they can be used freely in the wikipedia projects). I don't expect there to be any problems, but it's nice to have it from someone with some authority on the subject. Larsivi 10:19, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am aware of this, and commons has agreed that it is OK to host the arms there, see Commons:Deletion_requests/Archives02#Image:Steinkjer_komm.png. Wrt the terms for use, we have an OK from an authority. See the discussion on no:Wikipedia-diskusjon:Kommuneformat. -- Egil 10:29, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Ah, that is great. (The book excerpts I got were actually written by Hans Cappelen :) will probably follow suit, then. -- Larsivi 11:20, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The uploading of arms will probably start very soon, please be patient a couple of days. -- Egil 11:25, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No problem. -- Larsivi 11:36, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Map coordinates[edit]

Hi, I already have written a feature that can detect geographical coordinates in wiki texts and link to a special page insede the wiki. The code is in MediaWiki already; try it by setting "$wgUseGeoMode = true ;" in your "LocalSettings.php". Then type something like

30°27'59" North, 96°12'10" West

into a wikitext (this is actually the notation from the RamBot automated towns-in-the-US entries). It will create a link to the Special Page, which right now only links to MapQuest.

That Special Page (includes/SpecialGeo.php) could well profit from your code. Also, I think the ability to "backlink" to wikipedia is an avenue worth exploring. --Magnus Manske 08:39, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

It is very obvious that these concepts need to be coordinated - we can't have two. Can you work together with me on this?

Some experiences and visions I have had in my work is:

  1. Using a template (Template:coor and friends) for the coordinates makes it much easier to enfore a uniform appearance.
  2. Wrt 'catching' geographic coordinates that are already in Wikipedia, you wouldn't believe all the various shapes and form they are currently written in. Also, sometimes, the latitude and longitude are written in seperate positions, etc. There is no way you can automagically catch them all. I'll in fact bet that the only articles you'll find that uses the above exact form are the one that RamBot made. Enforcing a common layout via a template is IMHO the only workable way for this. (And surely, it should be a small issue to let the rambot do a pass and change the coordinates into another form).,
  3. Reverse linking from coordinates to articles is a crucial feature, which will be even more important when we get a WikiAtlas. I made the NASA World Wind thing to try to show what can be achieved. It is also a useful feature for automagically showing a list of nearby things, etc. I have not yet studied the internal SQL mechanism, but I hap hoped that by having all coordinates ending up as links to 'Special/Mapsources', it would be possible to maintain a reverse link database. Ideally every time an article is edited, but alternatively by trawling what-links-here at some interval. For the time being, I am using an ugly Perl script to do this.
  4. When we get thousands upon thousands of points, it is important that a majority of the links are categorized beyond the pure latitude/longitude. We need a preferred scale (which may define visibility-from-height, especially when there many links), an area code (so that we can show only relevant maps), a category for the reverse mapping (city/county/building/mountain whatever). This is not there yet, but its close. By using templates, it is again easy to do this without much hassle. (e.g. by ensuring that we use template "coor city" instead of "coor" for cities, which will then set category and scaling as appropriate).

-- Egil 09:10, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I would very much like to merge our different attempts. Mine is, granted, a "dirty hack", but one that would work instantly; when I wrote this, there was no template system...

A simple way to merge them would be to put your "Special:Map sources" into the SpecialGeo.php file in CVS. We could cover the Rambot pages with $wgUseGeoMode enabeled, without having to bot-edit them (there are ~30000 Rambot pages...). Then, just change the Coor template to SpecialGeo as well.

You might also want to have a look at my WikiMaps project [4], preferably with a SVG-enabeled browser.

--Magnus Manske 12:51, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

When you say Then, just change the Coor template to SpecialGeo as well. then perhaps you forgot to read my text above? I can repeat here: The coordinate alone is not enough. This is very much the experience after having worked with this for a while. You want to specify a suitable default scale for your map, and for sensible reverse mapping you also need to specify a category for your point. Probably other stuff, too. And another thing: you really need to keep the reverse database up to date. I haven't reached so far yet (still using an ugly Perl script), but I am very sceptical that regexp recognition is the way to handle this.
The maps are really cool. Can you specify exactly the way you'd want the "points of interest" fronm Wikipedia presented, and I will use that format.

More about that on your user page... -- Egil 17:44, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'll try to answer all that here... :-)

I fully agree that the coordinate is not enough for a decent map display, and that a regexp is not good enough for a decent, stable system of "points of interest". What I wanted to say was: Hey, we have all these data in the Rambot pages right now, and that's all we have. So: Catch those with the (existing) regexp and redirect them to a Special Page, while at the same time using a template (or a set of templates) to access the very same Special Page. For cases without a scaling factor, use a dummy (e.g., one that would fit a big city and its surroundings).

As for the location-to-page function, why not make a table in the database, and fill it with information each time the Special Page is invoked? That would strike me as the easiest way to set up an initial coordinate-page-relation, and much easier than tampering with the parser. Both regexp and template(s) would have to relay the "calling article" to the Special Page for this to work. Shouldn't be a problem.

As for my wikimaps project, that's about the stage where your setup is - basically, the first version that produces usable output :-)

You're right about the (-)(D)DDMMSS format. I believe you can see it in the South America map, ugly as it is. Fractions of a second could be allowed; after all, it is just text parsing each time. Choosing a map view based on coordinates is not part of the function, as it would complicate my treelike data structure too much; also, telling it to draw "Germany" is easier on the average article editor than handling coordinate sets :-) I haven't decided on all keywords yet, mainly because I've been the only one working on it, and I'm trying to handle a dozen projects at once and never have enough time...

If you like, you can see the source in the MediaWiki CVS, module "extensions". Be forewarned, though, that several developers have reported temporary loss of eyesight after looking at my code for too long ;-)

--Magnus Manske 20:22, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

There is in fact a template in all (or most) US pages, called Mapit-US-cityscale, geolink-US-cityscale etc - I have already tricked that template into using the coor template. So no problem in getting enough points, the challenge in that respect is getting countries other than US and Norway covered. Right now, I think there are enough points for the time being for developing the concepts.
I would really like the wikimap to be available as one of the alternatives for the Map sources page. For selection of maps, it seems like you need what I have propsed as an area parameter. Fair enough, yet another reason to include it. We also need to coordinate the categories (city, mountain etc)
Wrt automatic collection of coordinates from articles, I have as I told you not really investigated that one. The concept you are proposing, what would happen if you removed a coordinate from an article. It really needs to be removed from the database also. -- Egil 21:57, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image:Haakon VII.jpg[edit]

Hi Egil,

Just letting you know Image:Haakon VII.jpg has been listed for deletion. dbenbenn | talk 16:28, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Talk: Ancient weights and measures[edit]

Hi Egil,

I replied you, tardy, at Talk:Ancient_weights_and_measures about two weeks ago. Perhaps you didn't see it.

On an other topo: Like you are Norvegian and interesting in geography. The meridian 11°15' East of Greenwich, crossing the inner-city of Florence (Italy) and also Norway. [Insertion: where it discribes a line Rørvik at Vikna (exactly one) to Eidsvoll (a few kms west of). Do you live, finally, in the western or in the eastern hemisphere? Me, I live, since more than 20 years, next to 2° 23.5' East, 48° 52.5' North, but I growed up in the small village of the point of confluence 8° East and 48° North of Greenwich.]

But coming back, the meridian 11° 15' East is a very important meridian. Since it is just in the opposite of the Bering Strait. It will have a "great future" in a new universal base sixteen system of weights and measures. Ten fingers, that's right. But also: "Two thumbs and eight other fingers." Eight twice equal sixteen!

Please have a look to the animated Gif-map (four world-maps changing every 10 seconds, after compleleted onload) at this external link. If you want you can give me your opinion on my talk page. But the discussion about "Ancient weights and measures", at present, is more urgent.

Have a good day, -- Paul Martin 16:14, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

PS. The name of the discussion chapter is a quite opprobrious and invective. I propose you to remame it: "The Nippur ell and its relationships to other measures." If I don't hear of your opposition, I will proceed so, my-self, occasionally. Your chosen title: "When did Erich von Däniken start editing?" will rest in history. No hard feelings.

Mount Baker[edit]

Hi, Egil. The change over at Mount Baker was an experiment to show that the coor template could, indeed, be split over two pseudo-boxes. This arose from the discussion at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Mountains#Conversion of coordinates to Template:Coor. Perhaps it was bad of me to leave a real article in a odd state --- it was just part of the discussion.

I'm not fanatical about latitude and longitude, per se. My main concern was that the format of the one-line "coordinate" depends on the whims of the HTML layout engine in whatever browser people are using. If the first column is too wide, the "XX.YY″ W" will get split onto the next line. Fixing the width of the first column to 90 should fix this problem. -- hike395 15:07, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Norwegian coats of arms[edit]

Hi Egil. I've objected to a few of your listings at WP:IFD. The main problem I've found is that the coats of arms you've uploaded to the Commons, for example Commons:Image:Buskerud vapen.png, don't have copyright tags. Cheers, dbenbenn | talk 20:51, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Norwegian coats of arms are specifically not under copyright by Norwegian law. That is exactly why we've used the insignia marking. We've in fact spent considerable time discussing on the commons, and investigating (including asking a specialist Norwegian lawyer). If you object to the deletion, then what will happen is that the images on en: will remain orphans, and Wikipedia will waste a few kilobytes of storage. But that is now purely your responsibility, not mine. -- Egil 21:08, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If they are public domain, you should simply tag them as such. The "insignia" tag specifically says
These restrictions are independent of the copyright status of the depiction shown here.
If they actually are public domain, why was it necessary to get the permission of Ralf Hartemink? dbenbenn | talk 21:55, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
According to Norwegian law, their use is restricted, so they are not in public domain per se. In for instance the US, I guess they may be treated as public domain, I don't know. There was a long discussion on the commons, the outcome of which was that these arms were encouraged there. The Template:coatofarms on en: has a more suitable wording, btw. The permission from Ralf Hartemink is for copying from his collection, for which, according to some jurisdictions at least, a copyright may exist. (That said, I'm not claiming permission was required, just that it was given). -- Egil 22:35, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps you could add something to Commons:Image:Buskerud vapen.png explaining that? For example, a link to the long discussion and outcome? A template, say {{Norwegian coat of arms}}, might be useful. dbenbenn | talk 22:46, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Moon craters and latitude and longitude[edit]

You are probably aware of all of these links, but just in case:


Beware that longitude conventions may vary (0-180 E and 0-180 W, or 0-360 E, or 0-360 W). For instance, with the Clementine images, 14E needs to be supplied as -14 (or 346), not 14.

In practice, with the online maps currently available (Clementine and Orbiter) it doesn't make much sense to provide coord links for lettered craters like Aristoteles D, M, N. The resulting images available don't even label these smaller craters.

For the Lunar Orbiter site, it's hit or miss if the resulting images even show the main crater Aristoteles itself (two out of the four images don't). The Lunar Orbiter site allows lookup by Feature name, so it's better to use links like for this... at least we're sure that each image actually shows Aristoteles.

For the Clementine site, it does show Aristoteles (if you correct the "14" to "-14"), but again doesn't label the smaller lettered craters.

Also, JPL Photojournal allows lookup by feature name:

But coverage is very spotty.

It's an idea to keep in mind if we can find better, more fine-detailed images. But even there, lookup by feature name (if available) might outperform lookup by longitude/latitude. -- Curps 20:54, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I fixed the Clementine longitude sign, hope it is OK now. I fully appreciate your view that this is not so useful for the minor craters. My issue with doing the major ones was that this would required a change to an infobox used by many articles. What do you think? I had great fun trying the NASA World Wind moon layer, btw. -- Egil 22:00, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
As an experiment, I tried the first crater by alphabetical order, Abbe (crater) and the results were disappointing. Lunar Orbiter had only two photos, one of which was almost completely washed out, and both of which were at fairly sharp angles. Clementine had an image, but it was hardly possible to properly pick out the crater, and I could not succeed in visually matching the features seen with the Lunar Orbiter image, due to the very different lighting conditions and angle of viewing.
In general, neither the Lunar Orbiter or Clementine images available seem to be of sufficient quality to use for anything smaller than fairly prominent craters. And the Lunar Orbiter site works extremely poorly with latitude and longitude, it should probably be used exclusively with Feature name lookup rather than longitude and latitude lookup... for Amundsen it returns no images at all with longitude and latitude lookup, although feature-name lookup does return results: [5].
So I wouldn't really support editing the crater pages to add links to latitudes and longitudes... the results are hardly worth it, unless we can find a better online atlas. But perhaps I will create a template that allows something like {{lpi-moonatlas|Amundsen}} and add that as an external link to crater pages. -- Curps 22:25, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
By the way, this is not really related to the above, and you may already know this, but one thing about the Moon is that the same region can look very different depending on the lighting conditions. When it's near sunrise or sunset at a location on the Moon, it's near the terminator as seen from Earth, and everything is in sharp relief in low-angle light and details stand out. When it's near high noon at that location, everything is often completely washed out in blinding sunlight and it's hard to distinguish details. Also some craters have bright spots or rays that only appear under bright conditions, for instance Tycho, the bright crater at the bottom of Image:Moon PIA00302.jpg, which only appears brightly this way around full moon. So there's much more variation than what you'd get with satellite images of the Earth. -- Curps 22:52, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
As a suggestion, you might consider modifying the Lunar crater template to include a row for online images (and other sources), rather than mangling the format of the satellite crater tables. Thanks. :) — RJH 23:16, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Well, I personally think the feature is cool. Being able to navigate on the Moon with Nasa World Wind was at least for me a nice way to get an overview of the various craters. But I'm not in any evangelization mode, so I'll revert the couple of changes I made, leaving the moons latitude and longitude unconnected. The feature is still available, though, if anyone would care to use it in the future. -- Egil 07:41, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The trouble with World Wind is that it requires installation of special software on each user's PC. Also, the download is about 170 MB, meaning people need high-speed Internet to get it, and it really only works well for people who have 3D accelerator graphics cards (new computers of the past two years). So this isn't available to most users. And the other online image source websites (Lunar Orbiter and Clementine) simply don't work very well at all, as described earlier. So it remains a very cool idea in theory, but in practice it really doesn't work. If anyone ever creates an interface like for the Moon, maybe it could be revived. -- Curps 14:15, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Geo coordinates[edit]

Its you that started this project! Absolutely fantastic concerning coordinates on the Earth! Well, your experiments on the Moon maps are good themselves, but the online sources are scanty at the present. I didn't find better ones neither for the Moon nor for the entire sky (in contrast, the downloadable maps are in plenty). I personally think, that first general zoomable in and out map should be presented to realize, where the object is located (I didn't find online resources for this at all). And only after that the "image resources" should go (there are few of them, but they either require something additional or are without "global zoom in/out" feature). So, in short, your work is excellent, but the web is not yet prepared for the realization of some ideas. Cmapm 12:38, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The feature is there, and ready to use for anyone who wants. As I mentioned, I found the NASA World Wind overlay very nice and intuitive, you can see a sample of the lo and hi res. version at
For Mars there are also very good images resources, but with a quick search I found none readily accessible by lat/lon. With the available images resources, it should be trivial to make, though. -- Egil 14:18, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

More on WP and World Wind[edit]

Where are the details of this project? It lopoks fantaaastic. A friend of mine is really into map annotation, and I'm trying to hook him on Wikipedia... I'll try to put you all in touch. +sj + 00:53, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pillar versus Prillar[edit]

Since one finds both Pillar Guri and Prillar Guri sprinkled around the web, and since my common references like Knut Gjerset's 'History of the Norwegian People' from use Pillar Guri, I find myself confused or bemused.

Is this an example of Nynorsk verus Bokmal? Or a long standing confusion in term?

(Williamborg 19:25, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC))

Prille is as far as I know the original form. She played a prillarhorn, a ram's horn. Note however that everything about this legend should be taken with a grain of salt. Indications are the legend became only too good to be true during the Norwegian national romantic period. As far as I can see, there is no actual evidence that Prillar-Guri existed. See also:

Image:Oslo1 hl.jpg[edit]

This image, uploaded by you, has been listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems (March 29). Please leave any comments you have there. Thuresson 15:03, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Stig Olai Kapskarmo[edit]

The article has been listed on VfD three times and each time it was kept. The community has clearly decided it is a worthy article and it should thus be treated like any other page. If you strongly feel it should be expunged the only route is to again list it on VfD. - SimonP 15:35, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

This article has been listed on Vfd, and regretfully this reflects one really major problem of Wikiedpia. If one person declines, the article seems to be kept. In this case, we are talking about a totally unnotable local politician. The one and only reason the article exists is that the guy write hos own biography. There are more than ten thousand people in Norway alone that fullfills the criteria of having been elected to a municipality board. There is no way that Wikipedia should or even attempt having biographies for these. The fact that one of these tens of thousands of people have written his autobiography in Wikipedia is not reason for inclusion. It is of no interest to others than this person himself, and inclusion of such articles only serve one thing: to degrade the quality of Wikipedia. Is that your aim? -- Egil 16:35, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Hi there! I noticed this discussion... the latest VfD that Stig Olai was listed on, gathered two keep votes and three deletes. That is not entirely sufficient consensus to delete it, but it does not indicate he should be kept. I'd suggest you either 1) merge him into some kind of List of Norwegian Politicians, or 2) re-list the previous VfD vote (do not start a new one) indicating that there was no consensus and the debate should continue. Radiant_* 18:08, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Why do you call them Landscapes?[edit]

Are you sure that Landscape is the proper translation for landskap? The Swedes use the translation historical province.--Wiglaf 18:06, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

These entities are not necessarily historical provinces. They are certainly not provinces. They are not necessarily all landscapes either, but the vast majority are. We've ysed that term for geographical/political divisions based on natural divsions. We ended up with landscape as the best term, and I still think it is. -- Egil 19:08, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Old Norse and Modern Icelandic[edit]

Are you sure that Old Norse is best represented by Modern Icelandic? I see that you consistently use the nominative ending -ur instead of Old Norse -r.--Wiglaf 08:48, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please correct if you know better. I definitely think that the Old Norse form should be mentioned, and I am taking most info from , which seems to be quite complete. -- Egil 08:53, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It is a common misconception that Modern Icelandic is identical to Old Norse, and you find that a lot on the Internet. It is otherwise a good site (and it gives a Swede a good laugh because of the false friend samlaget ;-)).--Wiglaf 09:05, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
PS, yes you're right. The Old Norse form should be given.--Wiglaf 09:09, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I assume a reader that knows the difference, is also capable of doing the necessary corrections. :)
Another thing: We have tried to institute a naming policy for Norwegian (Viking Age) kings: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Norway#Naming_policy Comments invited! -- Egil 09:31, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Copyright or not - Norwegian Municipal Coats of Arms[edit]

Somebody has started tagging all the Norwegian Municipal Coats of Arms on Commons for deletion due to unknown copyright status. What should we do? Do we have some reference to show about their status as public domain? BjarteSorensen 02:26, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Here's a reference to Åndsverksloven, §9, but I'm not totally sure whether it supports the argument or not. May possibly not be the right law in this case, anyway? BjarteSorensen 02:35, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yes, these coats of arms are not subject to copyright law. The restrictions to usage in Norway are in Straffeloven §328. For the user on commons that did this, I have added a comment on his/hers talk page, commons:User talk:Twthmoses#Comment about your recent acts of vandalism.
The anarchy that reigns on the commons has caused me to rethink about its suitability, so one should probably consider moving these arms to a better place, see commons:Category:Norwegian coats of arms. -- Egil 09:17, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Can we talk here about this. I believe there is a misunderstanding between you and Twthmoses that can be resolved quite simply. Cheers. notafish }<';> 09:40, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Hi there! Regarding recent VfD discussions - if you see a list with superfluous redlinks, you can simply be bold and unlink those words. Yours, Radiant_* 14:56, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but that page needs more help then I have time for... -- Egil 18:48, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just checking in[edit]

Wanted to let you know we made some changes to geolinks templates that you might want to incorporate into your special page. We changed Terraserver-USA from their sample maps to the normal page, which seems to give better results and will automatically use the color photo if it's available. We also put in the google aerial photo resource, which has color photos for some of the regions that terraserver-usa only has black and white. I don't know if it covers out of US; that would be sweet.

Really cool work on the worldwind layers. How is that coded; you screenscrape the values from the wikipedia articles, save them to XML and then use that for the layer?

--Chinasaur 08:56, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Old Norse[edit]

Hi Egil, since you're interested in this period, you might want to contribute to this discussion: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Old Norse, dates and subgroups)--Wiglaf 07:16, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)


There are some steps to the transwikification process that you've skipped. In particular:

Also note that it's best if the initial edit summary contains a hyperlink to the exact source article. See the edit histories of Wikibooks:Constructing school science lab equipment and of its talk page for examples. Thank you for dealing with the images, by the way. Uncle G 13:04, 2005 Apr 21 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Øystein Runde[edit]

Regarding Votes for deletion/Øystein Runde: There were four delete votes (I would count Rl as a delete). There were one abstain. The only keep was from the author of the article himself. How can that possibly be interpreted as no consensus? -- Egil 20:28, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I counted it up differently. There was no vote with the nomination. There appeared to be 3 deletes, 2 keeps and 1 abstain. Even if I had counted a fourth delete, the deletes would have just barely outnumbered the other votes, nowhere near consensus.
It seems I miscounted the keeps--it would really help if in future discussions you or someone could refactor the discussion and remind people to sign properly. With only 1 keep, 1 abstain and 4 deletes, it would have been marginal. I might have decided to delete, or I might have decided to let it go. Usually the latter. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:38, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Different janitors will make the decision in different ways--the word "consensus" has no fixed meaning. Rather than list it again, I suggest that you ponder why you think it is so essential to Wikipedia that this article should not be present. If it's deletionworthy, someone else will list it sooner or later. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 06:58, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

westinghouse motor kits[edit]

can you please clarify what part of wikibooks you think this is suitable for and why you think it should be moved there. Plugwash 21:33, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Presumably you mean westminster motor kits. It seems to me like a howto guide, not an encyclopedic article. In Wikibooks we already have - I would believe all of the articles under School physics experiments and demonstrations should be moved too. It seems there is lots of other good material in Wikipedia that should be moved similarly . -- Egil 22:36, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Need your opinion[edit]

Would you mind voting on this issue? Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/German military occupation of Norway during World War II--Leifern 19:16, May 16, 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for adding the Bergenshus article. As part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting, I have replaced the generalized {{stub}} tag with {{Euro-struct-stub}}. When you create new articles, it would be great if you could use these more specific tags whenever possible. Thanks, and continue contributing to Wikipedia! Russ Blau (talk) 09:23, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Oil fields and geography[edit]

I was wondering why oil fields and specifically Norwegian oilfields belong in their respective geography categories? I can see the link between oilfields and geography in some respects (many oilfields are named after geographical landmarks), but I think this categorization is pushing things a little far. --Csnewton 22:47, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Antarctic krill[edit]

hallo Egil! can you please take a look at maybe help with some editing / formatting / vote - best greetings to fine Norwegen - we come originally from Germany, spent time often in Beito, Lillehammer (miss Europa a lot) Uwe Kils 20:48, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin[edit]

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:19, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Oslo metro[edit]

Hello Egil,
I'm from the german wikipedia and I search for a Oslo metro aricle 3-4 photos. I saw that you come from Norway, isn't it? Can you take any photos please? If you've take it can you put at the commons? Thanks and greetings from Berlin --Jcornelius 14:09, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oslo boroughs[edit]

Thank you, and yes, I might do the same for the other boroughs if I can find the time. Meanwhile, the links are there for anyone to use. As for your invitation, I appreciate that, but this is not really the area I want to focus on primarily in the future. Eixo 28 June 2005 20:14 (UTC)

Help request...[edit]

Hi from Sweden!

Could you help me with setting up a bot doing basically what your NoBot does? I have dowloaded the python program, the bot program -- what would I do now? And why does the "" tell me I use the wrong character set?

--Fred-Chess July 2, 2005 16:47 (UTC)


Please see whta User:Netoholic has done to that templates that call coor. And tell him to revert everything. -- RHaworth 20:22, 2005 July 9 (UTC)

Image:Watban ibrahim.jpg[edit]

Image deletion warning The image Image:Watban ibrahim.jpg has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. If you have any information on the source or licensing of this image, please go to its page to provide the necessary information.

Craigy Flag of the United Kingdom.svg (talk) 23:53, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Unused coor templates[edit]

  1. Template:coor dms SW
  2. Template:coor dms NW
  3. Template:coor dms SE
  4. Template:coor dms NE

Some time ago we deleted similar variants of template:coor dm. Do you mind if I do the same or shall we suggest the general use of the above (I just removed them from the only two articles using them)? -- User:Docu

It must be some others we deleted, Template:coor dm NW is used quite often (see also: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates/Templates_used). -- User:Docu


Hi Egil, sorry and thanks for the info. Since I have got a Borresen Knarr and knew that they build it for 4 or 5 decades I didn't check, but I don't think that a German boatyard is building them now. --Kresspahl 15:32, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

rktect 8/4/05 what happened to discussing things before you change them?
rktect 8/8/05 systematically reverting and deleting other peoples contributions
without discussion or notice seems like an inappropriate form of behavior
why not tell us a little bit about your knowledge of the areas you are vandalizing
and what purpose you think it serves to make your ignorance so broadly manifest?

Standards of Measure[edit]

I would suggest that mediation would be an appropriate route for this dispute to take at this point. I'm mostly neutral on the subject matter; I will admit that I'm not enough of an expert to determine the scientific validity of the articles in question. I frankly have voted to delete them on two bases. First, that it has the ring of original research in terms of tone, and where I could find a reference to check the information wasn't matching up. Second, the articles have everything (data, exposition, references) so blended together that I can't see where any potentially useful information might really be.

I feel that the current dispute is doing nobody any good, and I don't believe that the dispute is going to be resolved through simple discussion between the disputants.

If you agree, please respond to my talk page.

Ken 02:34, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Well, as regards mediation, you submit a request (if both parties agree, something I'm not getting from rktect thus far), select a mediator that both parties agree on, and the mediator acts as a go between to help resolve the conflict. That's the short version. In the short term, I would suggest that you declare a truce. Nobody does any further work on the articles in the main namespace and nobody makes any more comments about the dispute in the VfD discussions or on talk pages. In the meantime, both parties need to read up on dispute resolution, mediation, and arbitration.

I'm willing to continue acting as a go-between until a mediator is selected. I doubt I would be acceptable to Rktect as a mediator on several counts, but if you are both willing, I am too.

Ken 14:24, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Mediation requested[edit]

I've made a request for mediation on behalf of you and Rktect. A mediator will doubtless volunteer to take the case eventually; in the meantime it would be useful if you would go there and agree in person to mediation. As you probably know, you should not add a defense of your position in that location; that will be part of the mediation process. Just go there and agree, or not.

Ken 17:44, August 9, 2005 (UTC)


Hello, Ken has suggested that I mediate the recent conflict between you and Rktect. Does this sound acceptable? If so, if and when I get the ok from Rktect, we can take this to email. --Improv 03:15, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that is acceptable. Just tell me about the practicalities. -- Egil 06:31, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Could you drop an email to ? Once we're all communicating privately, we'll get started. Thanks. --Improv 04:09, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

100 Royal cubits[edit]

I've split this VfD out on it's own, as it wasn't listed on the 21,000 royal cubits VfD when most people voted. While I understand your adding it to this vote, it's not really what I would consider fair play. I would, BTW, suggest you continue with your (mostly unilateral at this point, since Rktect appears to still be editing many of these articles) truce, and not get involved in anything else regarding weights and measures for the time being, no matter how tempted you might be.

Ken talk|contribs 12:43, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Never mind, you didn't add it, and it was done before anyone (other than me) voted. Sorry for the confusion.

Ken talk|contribs 12:45, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Swiss coordinates as input[edit]

Hi Egil, I left a comment on this discussion page. Maybe you'r the only one who could give a correct answer. I would be very glad. Thanks --Ikiwaner 12:28, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Votes for undeletion[edit]

See Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion, where Rktect has claimed that several articles were deleted by you, rather than through the VfD process as most or all of them were. Gene Nygaard 04:18, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

What I claimed was that Egil began marking pages for deletion, removing content and reverting based on his own speculations rather than any demonstrable facts.

Egil was estoppled by mediation from acting in person.

When he continued through his agents (people whom he contacted and suggested take actions which they subsequently took) that was an action which the rules of Wikipedia don't view favorably.

The vfd process is not supposed to be compromised by a conspiracy of people who act together to dominate the vote.

Its further compromised when a group of people acting in concert vote for deletion on the stated grounds of poor formating and original research but delete references and wikification and revert articles so that they can't put their best face forward.

In other words, to put it bluntly, your actions as a group don't reflect well on Wikipedia.

Other readers shouldn't be deprived of interesting and informative articles because you as a group lack the background to evaluate the data properly and conspire to vandalize it. Rktect 14:09, August 22, 2005 (UTC)[edit]

Hi, did you notice the error report for the map sources service at

For example try the two Mapquest links at - you will get a different position for the decimal coordinates link. --Fuzzy Logic 22:07, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


Rktect has complained that the dispute discussion on Talk:Sos refers to your articles under attack article, but that this article doesn't reference the Sos article. Please can you either extend your attack article to cover this, or remove your dispute tag. Many thanks, Ian Cairns 01:16, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Gabriel Mouton[edit]

Replied on my talk page. Ken talk|contribs 18:21, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration[edit]

Is there any particular reason you jumped straight to an RfA in your dispute with Rktect without first trying a request for comment, or mediation? Or did you in fact try those dispute resolution steps, and I just missed them? --Nandesuka 12:04, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

If you read my Rfar, you will see that mediation was attempted. I did consider RfC, but was advised to go to RfAr. An advise I followed, for a number of reasons. -- Egil 12:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
OK, I read the RFAr but missed the part about the mediation. Thank you for clarifying. Nandesuka 14:09, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

rktect arbitration[edit]

You said: but you are both doing to have to show some evidence

I tried to limit my statement to 500 words, as indicated. On my account, in what area do you want to see more evidence? And exactly where should it be placed? -- Egil 20:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I find this dispute very confusing, possibly due to Rktect not signing his posts. I would want Rktect to come up with book and page regarding the authority for his assertions, likewise for you I would want an example of him posting some unsupported fact, many unsupported facts. Fred Bauder 22:36, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

I will be looking at edits made by rktect and wondering what the source of the information he adds to Wikipedia is, requesting the source from him and asking you to demonstrate that he has placed information which is unsourced into Wikipedia. Specific examples, edits, responses to requests for sources, etc. My impression is that he simple provides a laundry list of references but does not point to specific language in any of them, but that is just an initial impression. Fred Bauder 14:19, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Please be conscious that when you actually get into a case that the way you look at it can be radically different from first impressions. For example if there is reputable published authority which supports his information, no matter how ridiculous, it belongs in Wikipedia. Fred Bauder 14:23, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Historical atlas[edit]

Hi Egil,

Magnus Manske reverted me to you, because you are the new leader of the wikimap project. I'm studying history and i know a lot about historical atlases, see [6]. Could i be of any assistence?--Daanschr 09:35, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


I'm afraid the Wikimap project is at a halt for the time being. Not out of lack of interest, but my Wikitime is currently in a state of 'deinal of service'. -- Egil 03:41, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I would like to help you with the project when it starts again. --Daanschr 14:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

email exchanges[edit]

Egil, unless you object, I will be providing our full exchange of emails as part of my evidence. I will, of course, redact actual email addresses. If you object, I will note that instead.

Ken talk|contribs 02:09, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

I have no objection to this. My email address is on my user page, so no need to keep it secret. I had intended suggesting that these emails be presented only if requested, see User:Egil/Sandbox/rfar#Conspiracy_theories, just to keep the sheer amount of evidence in check. But do go right ahead, I have nothing to hide. -- Egil 05:10, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


FYI, I've received confirmation from the managers of the website that the page containing the word mylios is, indeed, Lithuanian.

Ken talk|contribs 14:58, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject Norway absolutism[edit]

Re your comments on my edits to the article on the River Nams:

There are at least 199 mentions on the web of the River Årgård / Årgård River. Would you subscribe to calling the River Thames "Riverthemselven"? Whoever "we" may be in Wikiproject Norway, "we"/you have no right to dictate English-language usage. -- Picapica 15:55, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Who are talking about the River Thames at all? Don't be ridiculous. English rivers have English names. And by the way, the best place to discuss this on Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway. This is where conventions for stuff like this is discussed. And believe me, we need these conventions. English hybrid names for places in Norway has been tried before, and it ended up in total chaos. We have discussed this, and reached a conclusion. Which works pretty well IMHO. The "River Nams" is a paper construction, alien, and confusing. The river is certainly not called "Nams" in Norwegian nor any language I know - nobody would know what you meant. What map would you find this on? You need to be fluent in English and Norwegian to understand the connection, and make sense.
Namings need to be consistent, and even though the hybrid sometimes might look like they work. Let my give you some examples:
Gudbrandsdal, should that be Valley of Gudbrand?
Gudbrandsdalslågen, should that be River Gudbrandsdal or should it be River of the Valley of Gudbrand?
Nordfjord, should that be the Nord Fjord, or perhaps North Fjord?
Nidelv, should that be River Nid?
I believe the current convention works very well. There are only a couple of unclear cases, for instance Oslo Fjord is I guess quite established in English, instead of Oslofjord.
The same convention is used for most other countries too, although not 100% consistently in all cases (and IMHO that consistency should be improved). See for instance Category:Rivers_of_Iceland Category:Rivers_of_Sweden Category:Rivers_of_Denmark Category:German_rivers etc. -- Egil 17:35, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Who are talking about the River Thames at all?
Don't be ridiculous.
I do my best not to be. "River Årgård River" is fairly ridiculous, though, wouldn't you say?
English rivers have English names.
They do indeed, and oftimes Norwegian names too, though seldom, I would submit, do Norwegians resort to such inanities as "the Trenten".
I should certainly be more likely to visit WikiProject Norway if its representatives adopted a less sniffy ("we don't do that") tone -- Picapica 18:21, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I tried to explain in a thorough manner that a naming convention existed, the background for it, and I also spent some time double checking some neighbouring countries to verify this convention against other parts Wikipedia. If that is sniffy, then so be it. I can live with that. -- Egil 10:31, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


Exactly what bot did you register? --AllyUnion (talk) 06:05, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm using the pywikipediabot (sp?), if that was your question. -- Egil 10:55, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


Now that the RfAr backlog is being dealt with, they should get to the rktect case and the case about Ultramarine. I wish you luck, but I'm not sure I can help. I find rktect's edits unreadable and implausible presentations of one theory as Truth; but none of that is against policy (or even uncommon). Septentrionalis 02:21, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Google-Earth integration[edit]

Hello Egil, Sorry for my bad english, I'm from germany.

I integrated a Google-Earth-Link in our page (see also de:Wikipedia_Diskussion:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung#Google-Earth_Integration.

Two points: First,I only have a cheap internet-provider. Can I give you sometimes my little PHP-Code?

Second, google-Earth save and show the linkname, would it be possible to give your site the Wikipedia-Variable {{PAGENAMEE}} or to use

<?php echo $_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER']; ?>

and get then the Variable {pagename} with the name of the place. The rest I can do in my skript.

de:Benutzer:kolossos 08:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

The Google-Earth integration is very, very cool. I'm not entirely sure I understand your question. Perhaps it is better of you write it in German, I do read German reasonably well.
Note also that the current solution was always meant as a proof-of-concept only. And that the real solution is to have this service running on Wikipedia servers, and I really want to pursue this instead of hacking more on the interim solution. -- Egil 17:02, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Danke, dann also das ganze auf deutsch:

  • Zum zweiten Punkt: Wenn man eine Vielzahl von Artikel aus der Wikipedia in Google-Earth geöffnet hat und alle heißen nur "wikipedia" dann ist das unübersichtlich. Google Earth ist das erste Programm das die Links speichern und verwalten kann.

Wir benutzen doch in der Wikipedia ein Template (zu deutsch eine Vorlage), dieses könnte um die Variable {{PAGENAME}} ergänzt werden um damit dein Skript aufzurufen.

Beispiel: Wenn man vom Artikel Berlin auf deine Seite geht würde man die Variable place=Berlin übergeben. Und dein Skript könnte die Variable dann an mein Skript weitergeben. Und ich könnte es an Google Earth weitergeben.

Die angesprochene $_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER'] Lösung erscheint mir jetzt selbst zu unsicher um das obige Problem zu lösen. Ist aber vielleicht auch nicht so wichtig.

  • Der dritte Punkt: Ich würde die beiden 3D-Programme (Worldwind und Google-Earth) gerne ganz nach oben schieben weil ich diese Programme am häufigsten benutze und vielleicht bin ich nicht der einzigste dem das herunterscrollen auf der Seite zu viel Arbeit macht.
  • Der vierte Punkt: Es gibt jetzt eine Menge von regionalen Seiten. Mein Programm ist bis jetzt nur auf der allgemeinen und den deutschen Seiten eingebunden. Wie kann man das ändern und würde es nicht Sinn machen für die globalen Datenanbieter ein Template zu benutzen um damit flexibel zu sein? Ich weiß allerdings nicht ob das mit deiner Programmierung und Variablenvergabe zusammen funktioniert. Wieviele lokale Seiten gibt es den mittlerweile eigentlich?

Antworten kannst du gerne auf Englisch. de:Benutzer:kolossos

18:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration accepted[edit]

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rktect has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rktect/Evidence. Fred Bauder 22:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I have copied your evidence to the evidence page. It seems to be well organized and useful. Fred Bauder 12:27, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

new toolserver[edit]

Hi, I have no idea if the excellent kvaleberg map resource servuce qualifies for inclusion, but I added your name to a list of people to invite on - in case you're interested, you might want to have a look. Again: I am not affiliated with that project and don't know the exact rules. -- 19:54, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look -- Egil 09:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Slr-cross-section.png excellent?[edit]

Hi Egil, I found out that this image is used at least in 9 languages. It's now candidate for an excellent picture at commons: commons:Commons:Featured pictures candidates --Ikiwaner 16:00, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

SVG avilable?[edit]

A user mentionned that we'd better provide a SVG file. Could you maybe convert your image? Thanks in advance -- 22:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Bug converting seconds south to decimal degrees?[edit]

Hi Egil. The coordinates 34°55′16″S 138°35′44″E / 34.92111°S 138.59556°E / -34.92111; 138.59556 seem to be getting miscalculated to decimal degrees at the website. The coordinates in the table are shown as -34.928889, 138.595556. If the S is changed to N, the result is 34.921111, 138.595556 which I think is the correct number. --Scott Davis Talk 08:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Not good - I will have a look. -- Egil 14:38, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Fixed now, thanks for the error report. -- Egil 18:09, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thankyou. The dot is where it should be now :-) Keep up the good work. --Scott Davis Talk 23:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


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210 is

  • primorial - this interesting
  • a composite number - not quite so interesting
  • an abundant number - not quite so interesting
  • a triangular number - not quite so interesting
  • a pentagonal number - not quite so interesting
  • a pentatope number - not quite so interesting
  • a pronic number - this interesting
  • a Harshad number - not quite so interesting
  • an untouchable number - this is interesting
  • 71-gonal number - not quite so interesting by itself, but the fact that it is polygonal in two other ways makes 71-gonality a little more interesting
  • sum of eight consecutive prime numbers (13 + 17 + 19 + 23 + 29 + 31 + 37 + 41 = 210). - this is interesting

, in my opinion. Just considering the mathematical aspects, that's at least four things that are interesting about 210. I say it merits its own article. Anton Mravcek 21:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

The question of 210 (number) warranting an article is an issue addressed by Wikipedia:WikiProject_Numbers, which would also be the right forum for changing said policy, if that is what you want. -- Egil 07:26, 11 October 2005 (UTC)