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Sports in California[edit]

Dear Ellin, you have reverted an edit of mine on California#Sports where I added some information about college teams and motorsport tracks, with the argument that "information needs citations". Do you suggest that what I wrote is false? You can easily check the articles I linked. --NaBUru38 (talk) 23:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

NaBUru38: No I don't disbelieve you about the factual content, but to add so much information requires citations. Probably one citation per team you listed. See the diff and you'll notice it was a bald edit, much information, but no sources. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:24, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


Hi, I noticed your revision to my edits to the KHUM page. The references are still inline, just the bulk of the reference (in the coding) is at the bottom. It makes the page easier to read when you are editing, believe me.

I did check the references before readding and all of the ones used were either daily or weekly newspapers. Blogs are never used per WP:BLOGS. - NeutralhomerTalk • 16:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I compromised on the KHUM page. I took my previous version and combined it with your perfered inline full sources (instead of the "giant lump at the end") and put it into one. I'll check and make sure I didn't edit out any further changes you made. - NeutralhomerTalk • 17:50, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
I just added some of the other changes you made in the interspacing edits back to the page. Hopefully this is a good compromise. If not, we can work on one. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 17:56, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi Neutralhomer, Please note that <ref name="GM1">{{cite news|newspaper=Lost Coast Outpost|location=Ferndale, California|publisher=Lost Coast Communications, Inc.|title=Lost Coast Communications Welcomes Tom Newhouse as New General Manager|url=|date=June 5, 2013|accessdate=September 2, 2015|last=Sims|first=Hank}}</ref> is not only not a reliable secondary source (since the station owns the blog), but it's a blog. And as you know blogs are never used. I saw that going past yesterday but ran out of time to find any reliable source for it. North Coast Journal is only marginally more reliable in this situation since Hank Sims, (of Lost Coast Outpost) also works/ed at the Journal. It would be best if these citations could end up as reliable secondaries instead of the LoCo blog and the NCJ which is running off a LoCo press release. I think what you did is great, I have been editing here for nine years and the "blob at the end" is really not easier than inline, and very confusing since so few pages use it. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I just got back home after a day out and about. Lemme take a couple to relax and I will see what I can find for an alternative to the Lost Coast Outpost reference. I only did a cursory glance at the pages when I updated the references, so my goof on that one. But I will look for a better source in a few. Take Care...NeutralhomerTalk • 20:16, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I replaced the Lost Coast Outpost reference with one from the San Francisco Chronicle. Same info, just a different source. I will check on the North Coast Journal sources and see if I can find the same information from the Eureka paper. - NeutralhomerTalk • 22:20, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I couldn't find a better source to replace the North Coast Journal one. But since it is backing up information for the San Francisco Chronicle, I think it will be OK. :) After dinner, I will work on finding some sources for the ones that need them. - NeutralhomerTalk • 22:29, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I made a couple of other edits. Dronkers left the station. Amy Berkowitz only has the occasional Sat/Sun morning show. Their webpage is a mess, most of it is way out of date, do be really careful about taking anything they say on their website as valid. The local real newspaper is the "Eureka Times-Standard", there used to also be a "Humboldt Beacon". The Crescent City "Tri-City Weekly" also occasionally has articles. But be very careful of the Journal, its a weekly advertising supplement, little better than a blog; they mostly run press releases and one big "story" a week. They're not very reliable. One perfect example; their editor claimed that "city officials" of one town up here were homophobic and created a huge witch hunt. What really happened? A volunteer firefighter shot off his mouth in public comment at city council. He's entitled to do that - it's his first amendment right to say stupid things. But the paper twisted it around to where the entire town needed new white sheets and cowls. So really truly be very careful with that paper, they only want to sell things. I saw your translator box after I re-added it to the lede. Perhaps you could leave the location of their studios? Cutten is only where their transmission tower (and hence their license) is located. They make big claims about being the Ferndale radio station, it seems a bit odd to leave out the town where they're really located (and you could send traveling bands 25 miles in the wrong direction if you don't mention the studios are not in Cutten). You're doing great, sorry if I've sounded at all cranky here. I'm not. It's been a tough week - we lost a dear friend and etc. Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:42, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Typically we don't list where the station's studios are, but in this case I made an exception. Since the studios are a pretty good ways away from the community of license and the tower itself. I did my best with the staff. I did source the station's DJ list, since I couldn't find any other list of station staff. I brought the blurb about the translator down into it's own paragraph within the lede. I removed some other information which is probably correct, but I don't have any sources for. - NeutralhomerTalk • 01:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi Neutralhomer: Thank you, it's a lot tighter article now. And thanks for including the studio location it is really far from the tower. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:22, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Glad I could help. If you are every by their studios, and you have a moment, a picture of their studios would really tie the article together. :) Lemme know if I could be of further assistance. - NeutralhomerTalk • 19:41, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
I didn't catch the end of your 00:42, 5 September post. My condolences on the loss of your friend. It is never easy when you lose a friend, I'm in that boat too. But they are always with you, even if you can't see them. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 19:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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Congratulations on 5,000,000 articles[edit]

for all your contributions, thank you.

Smallbones(smalltalk) 13:30, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Smallbones: Thank you for your contributions, too!! Seth Kinman would so NOT be the same without you! Hope to see you again someday! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:45, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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