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edit block[edit]

Yo dude can you just unblock me from editing Turkey page i make very important edits on there its not fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kavakdere (talkcontribs) 21:10, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

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Your edit on Ankara goverment page[edit]

Could you please explain the reason behind Your edit that reverses mine? Ankara fits well to the Capital in exile,check the ottoman Constution of 1876. MustafaAslanbay (talk) 09:32, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Turkey: Referandum[edit]

Turkey maddesine 16 Nisan başkanlık referandumu ile ilgili bilgiler de ekleyebilir misiniz? (talk) 06:02, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

2017 verisiyle güncellermisin[edit]

(-2016/02, +2017/01)

Link — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:05, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Your Turkish war of independence edits[edit]

Your edits seem too radical to say the least, is this something you need to address on the talk page? (N0n3up (talk) 02:57, 21 April 2017 (UTC))


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Hello Then the amendments will begin to come into force, with the reinstatement today of RTE in the AKP and the congress of May 21, 2017 which will act its return to the head of the party. --Panam2014 (talk) 13:18, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Your rationale for deleting erdogan's apparent relationship with ataturk from lead[edit]

Hi Kazekage,

I see that you are a Turkey expert of sorts, and also apparently an actual Turk national (of Georgian descent.) I'm an American with the blood of half of Europe running through my veins. I also see that you've added much excellent info to our Turkey article. I can't understand why you are uncomfortable with the info about Ataturk and Erdogan's reforms, and their apparent relationship to one another. Could you please either explain for me why you feel that Erdogan is not reversing Ataturk's reforms, or else please provide some other reason why you might feel that this info doesn't belong in the lead.

Thanks kindly,

Scott P. (talk) 05:53, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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Erdogan's ban of Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Kazekage,

I see that you've been able to circumvent Erdogan's WP ban. Glad you're still with us. My guess: awhile ago, most of those living in Turkey who knew how, including yourself, have probably already arranged to have virtual-tunnels set up for themselves to get around Erdogan's various blocks. I do certainly hope, for both your sake and ours, that these tunnels remain open, and you remain safe. I'm just curious, and I hope you don't mind, but I have a few questions for you:

  1. Do you personally know any (or many) folks he's incarcerated for political reasons?
  2. What does it feel like to have freedom of the press to report accurately on your president suspended? (It would upset me greatly if it happened in my country, the US.)
  3. Have Erdogan's mass arrests caused average folks to speak or act any different publicly?
  4. How about privately, have they caused people to speak differently much in private?
  5. Since you don't seem to be afraid of making edits to WP that could reflect negatively upon Erdogan, is there any concern at all on your part that Erdogan might catch up with you one day and try to in any way force his influence on your edits here, or worse yet to arrest you?

Please forgive me if I might be a bit too personal in any of my questions here.

I will very much look forward to your thoughts here.


Scott P. (talk) 11:27, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi :@Scottperry:. I'm so sorry that couldn't answer before cause i was in a vegan camp and we didin't had internet there.

First of all, about Atatürk and Erdoğan thing, one must be a blind to say that Erdoğan doesn't revert reforms of Atatürk. He is an open critic of Atatürk's reforms and he is eager to wipe all of his work. So my point is, these info belongs to the politics and law sections of the article. In my opinion, these are details that doesn't fit in the lead.

Lets answer you questions:

  • My family was politically left-leaning and active during the 80's. One of my uncles got tortured and my aunt got beaten under custody. Since then, we don't have any politically active relative and thanks to that nobody in my family is imprisoned. But i hear that lots of my friends' relatives are in custody or prison.
  • Are you really asking that mate :D. Of course it makes us all upset.
  • Not in general, but i assume that you've heard the law he enacted. The law which gives him to imprison who talks 'foul' about him. After that law people doesn't curse to him in public. But other than that most of the people are still openly criticizing him.
  • In private, people speak more angrily for sure. But if you are asking about the mood, (like people snitching each other to Stasi in GDR.) we don't have that stuff in our social culture. Instead on selling each other out, people take care of each other in bad times.
  • Nowadays he is mostly chasing 'professionals' such as journalists, writers, lawyers etc. But after he declares himself as the king, he might chase a regular student(me) under the scope of a keep-your-mouth-shut project.(like Gestapo's during the Nazi regime.) kazekagetr 08:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Safety concerns[edit]

Hi Kazekage,

Thank you so much for your quite helpful reply. Living in the US, it is hard for me to even begin to comprehend what it must be like to live under any kind of restriction on freedom of speech. I'm quite glad to know that so far, the restrictions have not yet reached down and touched you personally, making you fearful of what you might say in private. I have a friend who once lived in Syria for awhile, and who told me a certain story about how he and a Syrian friend of his once got to experience what you have called "Nazi-level thought control," first hand. Not exactly a "pretty" story.

Here is the little "thought control story" of a few of the things that happened to my Kuwaiti friend about this:

My friend and his Syrian friend were sitting in a bar in Damascus in their own booth having lunch with each other one day. Their conversation eventually touched on Al Assad, and they both agreed Al Assad was an "a*ole." The next day my friend was arrested. He spent the next three months in a Syrian prison for that one conversation, and was beaten in there numerous times. After serving his "sentence" he was deported back to Kuwait, and told never to come back to Syria. Concerned about his friend, he found out through friends of friends that his friend had been given a three year sentence. He told me that three years had since passed, but his friend was not released, and nobody yet knew if my friend's friend was even still alive!
Later on, my friend told me he was thinking of returning to live again in Kuwait, nearer to his very old parents, who were both starting to have some serious medical issues in their lives. My friend had also told me that he and his "big mouth" had sent him into Kuwaiti prison once for awhile. He was a Kuwaiti national and had the option of living comfortably on a pension there for the rest of his life, if only he could keep his "big mouth" shut. He was then living in Detroit, Michigan, running a small gas station he owned. I asked him, "Do you think it would be worth it, having to keep your 'big mouth' shut, and do you really think you would even be able to keep it shut?"
Sadly he replied, "No, my friend. You are right, I guess I'm stuck here in Detroit after all." I was proud to have a friend who was so dedicated to the truth that he was willing to sacrifice so much, just for the truth. Still I was saddened by the tragedy that such ignorance was still causing for my friend and for others in the Middle-East. Now that same ignorance has even washed up a little on American shores, as we all know. It will now take many with the understanding of my friend, to keep Freedom of Thought still safe in America.
Here, many may well one day be asked whether they would rather lose their jobs or worse, than to have to live under the tyranny of an "alternative Trump universe?" If there are not enough here who might be willing to say "yes" when asked this question, I must apologize, but Erdogan may soon find himself in the best of company. Personally, I sincerely believe I would be a vocal and quite generous supporter of any such movement against Trump, even at the expense of prison or more, if my right to free speech were seriously challenged (which right, one US comedian is already running as a test case for right now, may God bless him!) See Steven Colbert.

Obviously Turkey is not anywhere near Syria (yet). Still, with what is now going on, how can anyone tell how far this will go, before it finally reaches its fullest extent in Turkey? It seems to me that once the first journalist has been locked up, and cannot get out, or even just fined, and everyone knows, there is no real theoretical difference between that, and what goes on in Syria today. The dam of the safety of free speech (free thought) has already been breached. There is no telling if the breach will be repaired before the flood of the ancient ignorance of thought-control submerges all of Turkey in its primitive and almost superstitious darkness of "fear of true freedom of thought." I am praying that the American dam holds through the obvious storm that now lies ahead in America.

I hope you don't mind me asking potentially difficult questions here. You see, if it ever got as bad in Turkey as it already is in Syria, you could be locked up or dissapear, just for what you've written here so far. I have some additional even more difficult questions that I would like to ask you about this topic. If you wanted, I would be happy to keep them a little more private, via private email. Shall I continue publicly, privately, or perhaps leave this slightly awkward conversation all together just where it stands here?

Thanks kindly for your quite helpful thoughts and insights,

Scott P. (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

@Scottperry: That was a hell of a story you got there mate. Also i support your stance against the preside -apologies- CEO of the USA and I've read about Colbert in BBC. BTW you should note that Syria and Turkey are way different countries in many aspects, so i think that things won't go extremely south like our southern neighbor.

We can talk via email since it feels more convenient: kazekagetr 15:22, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

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