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Slavic spirits[edit]

Thank you for your interest shown for articles about Slavic spirits. I have been trying to sketch a way to put an order into all those small, badly written, and totally unsourced articles. I invite you to take part in the discussions which are unfolding here.--Eckhardt Etheling (talk) 13:19, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Removing 'controversies' from SRM Institute of Science and Technology[edit]

Hi Elmidae,

I noticed you undid my change of 'Controversies' on SRM Institute of Science and Technology. May I know the reason for that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namanmaheshwari97 (talkcontribs) 08:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Namanmaheshwari97: the question is rather, why would you want to remove the section? It is pertinent (as applying to the institute) and sourced. As such it should be in the article. Removing it looks like a whitewashing attempt. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:58, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I agree with what you're trying to convey but multiple references show that the case was quashed.[1][2][3][4] There's no reason for this controversy to stay up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namanmaheshwari97 (talkcontribs) 11:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Actually, the correct procedure then is to provide that additional information as well - I will do so. The controversy does not suddenly disappear because the claimants have been bought off. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


Understandable. Thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namanmaheshwari97 (talkcontribs) 14:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


The thing is I have been hacked before on my old Wikipedia account that's why created bublesorg so i could have been hacked again and caused that Tassie devil issue. I never put that there because i was in school in my engineering class when that probably happened because (unlike in the real world(Joke) I am aware of what i do here because i try to make Wikipedia more reliable. I have made my login more protected now.The tassie devil thing was anyway there the last time i checked that page i never delete it because i did not know what it meant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bubblesorg (talkcontribs) 15:21, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

This is the person who put the tasmian devil thing in there (cur | prev) 19:13, 27 April 2018‎ Bxtchin (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (21,408 bytes) (+40)‎ . . (changes) (undo | thank) (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit) It was there before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bubblesorg (talkcontribs) 16:01, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

@Bubblesorg: We are all aware that the original vandalism was done by someone else. What you did was reverting the repairs done by the anti-vandal bot, Cluebot. This can be done with one click, and may happen by accident; I would guess it has happened to most editors at some point. There is no need to invent some "hacking" excuse. Please just be careful when editing, don't click around wildly, and use the preview function before comitting an edit. (Also please remember to sign all talk page edits with four tildes.) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:11, 2 May 2018 (UTC)


Thanks for the head up my hand can get wobbly when I write.


Ps. I was once hacked so I was just suspecting I did not make that up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bubblesorg (talkcontribs) 20:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Alopias Grandis Photo controversy[edit]

I actully asked some on devient art weather i could use their art on wikipedia and they said that they were fine with that. This should settle the issue. I will add this in a few days.

Ps in the comments i am Liopleurodon 4x

@Bubblesorg:, the question here is rather this: is the picture good enough to be used in an article? I suspect not. Please run it past the folks at the Paleoart review project to check that out. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
To clarify, that's the first thing that came to mind when looking at the picture. Any copyright issues have to be cleared independently of that, of course, and that involves formally licensing the picture for free use - just declaring to you or in a forum that use is OK is not enough. Please see this page for the details. Yes, it's a bit complicated, but legally necessary. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:29, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

African bush elephant[edit]

Why did you undo my edits--Manwë986 (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2018 (UTC)


What is the meaning of this again? Can you make clear of yourself for this.--Manwë986 (talk) 13:27, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Manwë986 - if you don't understand that "an adult tiger was found dead that had possibly been killed while trying to capture a gaur" is a more encyclopedic phrasing than unreferenced speculation including the phrase "menacing phalanx", you really shouldn't be editing an English-language encyclopedia. Since you continue to be smitten with these (to you) incomprehensible reversions, I'm getting the impression that that is the case. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:12, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

We are not alone[edit]

It seems that we are not alone in our difficulties with you:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:15, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

"Oh no! The call - it's coming from inside the building!" --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:19, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Thanks for reviewing Quinn XCII, Elmidae.

Unfortunately Primefac has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

BLPPROD removed, might be worth a second look.

To reply, leave a comment on Primefac's talk page.

Primefac (talk) 11:23, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Lithocarpus ruminatus[edit]

Hello, thanks for your comments on the page I just made and your request for references. I am actually the scientist who studies these trees and I was thinking of just populating the pages of Lithocarpus once a week or so. These are my personal observations and they haven't been published anywhere. Do I just cite them as (C.H. Cannon, pers. obs.)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruminatus (talkcontribs) 16:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ruminatus, I fear we have a problem in this case :/ - particularly inconvenient as I applaud your willingness to share your findings on Wikipedia. However, we cannot use material in articles that has not been published in a publicly accessible, verifiable form where any reader can potentially go to look them up. It's one of the basic tenets of Wikipedia - we only collate what other published sources have said about a topic; we never publish original research. (See WP:Verifiability for lots more detail) What this comes down to is that if you haven't published these findings yet, they can't go in the article. Sorry!
For now I'll reduce the article down to a bare taxonomic stub (basically what can be gleaned from Catalogue of Life [1]). Is there any chance that you are going to publish your findings soon? Seems a shame to pass up on such detail. In that case the text is easily reinstated. Failing that, would you have some less detailed but published material on hand that could be used to expand the article? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

okay, looks like this is not the place for me to do this. will find another more unofficial outlet. cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruminatus (talkcontribs) 03:13, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Reading my mind at Eskimo curlew[edit]

Remember how at Eskimo curlew I changed "over 30 years" to "55 years" and you said that had to be changed unless I updated it every year? Guess what? That was my plan! My plan was literally to update it every year! Pancakes654 Pancakes654 16:29, 24 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pancakes654 (talkcontribs)

Pancakes654 - notice how all biographical articles use the phrasing "born xxxx", rather than "is x years old"? Can you imagine having to update all of them, every year, each on a different day of the year? To avoid that, we have a convention that is used for all relative time increments - phrase it in such a way that it does not have to be updated, ever. This doesn't just apply to biographies but to all articles across the bar, and it should be obvious why it is a necessary convention. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:39, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#the_Russian_articles[edit]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#the_Russian_articles. Quek157 (talk) 11:41, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

NPP Page comments[edit]

Here will be better, I don't want to flood my talkpage.

Let me explain. What you are doing at the moment is, frankly, like the apprentice running around sticking his head into every talk between journeymen, making distracting and often factually wrong remarks and throwing people off their discussions. It's an easy trap to fall into when you join a group, but you do need to recognize that at the beginning, best lurk and learn - only offer comments or, much more tricky, advice once you are entirely sure of what you are doing. Wikipedia is constructed of concentric layers of such thresholds, and to not become a nuisance, you need to realize that they are there. Your comments often show that you don't yet understand all that you are so confidentially proclaiming on, and hence I'd advise you to read more and comment less. I'm not pretending that I am much more knowledgeable in most areas, but I know that there is no surer way to make yourself unwelcome than to be the enthusiastic but misguided newb. Hence I keep my mouth shut at, e.g., WP:AN unless I'm entirely sure of my position and backing. That you have seen fit to move this back to the NPP talk page is really just a confirmation of my assessment. That page and what goes on there is not about you; it is about dealing with NPP issues, hence I put the personal comments here. If you truly are more interested in helping out than in grandstanding and getting recognition, please don't force it over there. I don't intend to spin this out any further, as I'm not your minder. Just thought I'd drop the observation. Feel free to ignore. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:53, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
@Elmidae:Don't template the regulars please, I am here (Wikipedia) much longer than you (since 2007) and I know my bearings. Regarding to WP:AN, that issue had been raised by admin Swarm to me before, not here only, and we had resolved civilly and the remark if you see at the AN thread by Swarm was retracted later under personal discussion. I just didn't continue at ANI (ironically that's your point). I find it quite amusing that you can say that I am an apprentice, factually wrong, not entirely sure, I am positively sure of my stand. I don't want to stoop as low but the above post is another confirmation that what I think is correct - it is you rather than me sticking into every possible things. I am dealing with NPP issues there.Please try try not to template the regulars please. Thanks much appreciated --Quek157 (talk) 12:01, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Quek157 - this will be my last comments on this, because you are clearly not getting it and I'm not here to argue endlessly with blowhards.
  • I have no idea what you have been up to at AN/ANI; the above was an example of my behaviour, not yours. Although now that I come to check it out, Swarm seems indeed to have told you similar things as I did. Maybe you will be smart enough to apply them to other areas now.
  • You are acting like a newcomer at NPP, both in your behaviour and in your demonstrated knowledge. That you have been registered at WP longer than I am does not really signify here.
  • "Templating the regulars" refers to using, not surprisingly, templates to communicate with established editors - not writing them personal notes. What you appear to want to happen is "don't tell regulars anything they don't want to hear", and it doesn't reflect well on you to either a) expect this to happen or b) using flip phrases (twice) without actually knowing their meaning.
  • Lastly, doubling down on being "positively sure" when you clearly have misapprehensions about procedures or don't understand what another editor is driving at (as is the case in both instances on the NPP talk page) may be a sign of stubbornness but certainly not of insight.
It's not my business to patrol your behaviour, and since you choose to react like this to a friendly request to not veer into becoming a nuisance at the NPP talk page, I doubt I will want to interact with you much in the future. Let's hope it won't be necessary. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:45, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Precious two years![edit]

Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg
Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 28 May 2018 (UTC)


Troodon is no longer a valid genus. What are we going to do to the article. Also the source was not nonsense i found it at the paleontological database.[1] Mainly focus troodon in your response.


@Bubblesorg: a) The genus is still valid, it's just that it is no longer applied to a number of specimens that were previously thought to belong to it. It's actually fully explained in the article. b) The nonsense source was the one at Blue shark, which dealt with bird fossils; you are mixing something up here. Unrelated: c) please don't try to set up some kind of duplicating stub for Baird's beaked whale without going to the trouble of formally and carefully splitting Giant beaked whale, and I doubt you'd do a very reliable job of that. Please discuss a possible split on the talk page first; I'm not convinced it needs to be done. d) Can you please SIGN YOUR TALK PAGE EDITS? Four tildes ~~~~. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:25, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

(Bubblesorg (talk) 16:57, 29 May 2018 (UTC))Ok I understand. Thanks Elmidae

Re: List of African animals extinct in the Holocene[edit]

I notice you updated this page yesterday with the note "(standardize - AD)" -- and gave several species extinction dates that are in the *future*. I'm sure this was just an oversight, but I didn't want to just undo your change without checking with you first. Kiwikiu (talk) 16:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Kiwikiu: Complete brainfart, sorry. I was checking for mixed use of BC and BCE and had a senior moment there. Reverted :p --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:09, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Cool -- I'm glad I'm not the only one that sort of thing happens to! :) Kiwikiu (talk) 03:02, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

AFD help box[edit]

Since you're the first to follow the instructions at Template:AFD Help, how did you find them? Easy to follow/confusing? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:36, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

@Headbomb: Heh. Clear enough, although I expected clicking on the link to directly opt me out (spoiled by macros... :), and wondered for a moment whether the link was malformed because it sent me to a documentation page instead. Also, you might want to add a note that users may have to create /monobook.css if it doesn't exist yet - may not be clear to everyone.--Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:25, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Done. Sadly this isn't something that can be done by macros. Maybe via preferences one day though. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


Thylacines went extinct 80 years ago. So that thylacine image if real is free for use. that is if no one renewed copyright. The real question is if its real. I not going to lie i can be tricked sometimes. If this is fake its was made more recently there for not free. However if real its most likely domain.

(posted to user page)[edit]

If I understand correctly, you most helpfully enacted the requested change from "Garrett TPE331" to "Honeywell TPE331". Thanks so much. I'm not quite sure how to reply to people on the various WP pages so excuse me if this is the wrong place to offer my appreciation. May I assume that this is now a done deal?

Jveeds (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)jveeds (and do I need to sign with the four squiggly lines?)

Hi Jveeds, no problem :) Since this is a clearly documented and uncontroversial change, I assume it will remain - unless someone finds factual fault with it, but then they'd have to provide a good reason for reverting. Yes, four squiggles is the standard signoff. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:36, 10 June 2018 (UTC)


Hello, recently you made this revert: [2]. Please refer to WP:FALSEBALANCE. Here you have the opinion of a zoologist beside that of a cryptozoologist, science and a pseudoscience, presented as equals. Would you feel the same about a geologist and a Young Earth creationist's opinions side by side? :bloodofox: (talk) 17:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Since you've posted there instead of here, this discussion continues at the article's talk page. :bloodofox: (talk) 17:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Did Mammal like reptile have milk[edit]

Did mammal like reptiles give milk? I heard there is some debate going on. I though i was wondering did they reach a conclusion?

Err... no idea. I think that kind of thing is pretty hard to determine if there are no soft tissue fossils, and these rarely exist for large terrestrial species. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:09, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The getty images mammalodon[edit]

I put it under the right creative commons licence its from a roalty free images board known as getty images.

Bubblesorg (are you going to start signing your messages (AFTER the message) at some point?) - "royalty-free" does not mean "free"; it means you pay a single one-off fee rather than one based on amount of use. Getty is a stock photo agency, for chrissakes; how do you think they make their money? Here's their price schedule. - If something is not expressively declared as released from all copyright, or published under a share-alike license, DON'T use it. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:26, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I did pay last month--Bubblesorg (talk) 20:10, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

What? You actually paid hundreds of dollars for that image? Right. And even if you did, you could not use it on Wikipedia, because the image is still copyrighted, and uploading on Commons requires that it be released from copyright. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:16, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok this is the confusion. I did use pay for this image. But it might have been on some bootleg site. --Bubblesorg (talk) 15:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

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This photo[edit]

Dungeness in washington where dungeness crabs live

This photo is taken at Dungeness bay were the crabs live. I went down there to take that picture.

Yes, I don't doubt that. However, as you will note from the article, the crab is actually present on some few thousands miles of coastline. The particular spot at Dungeness is by no means special re its habitat; in other words, this photo is not relevant to the article. Inserting it is equivalent to inserting a random West Coast scene into any of a thousand West Coast species articles, and you'll notice that isn't done... --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
You might consider adding the photo to Dungeness, Washington instead - maybe replace that rather ugly image of the "3 Crabs"... --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:49, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Images at Gold-Collecting Campaign[edit]

So if they are ok can you restore them? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:14, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Piotrus, is there any reason to assume that they ARE usable? These seem to be screencaps right off Vimeo, taken from television programmes. How does that satisfy licensing requirements? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 05:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
As you can see from the image pages, the deletion nom on Commons was mistaken, and the nominator withdrew them (last one open is commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:금 모으기 운동.jpg and we can expect it to be closed shortly, too). So they are freely licensed - unless there's another problem? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I see that does apply to two of the images. Well, I suppose one can extend the assumption to the others then. I'll reinstate. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Thanks for reviewing Boss of All Bosses (film), Elmidae.

Unfortunately Primefac has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

Copyvios have been removed, so it might be worth a second look.

To reply, leave a comment on Primefac's talk page.

Primefac (talk) 19:22, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

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Imporvemnt of Cognitive Information Processing (CIP) Shell[edit]


I have add more content to illustrate the technological part of the term, and the system is indeed has many applications. So I believe it is very useful to add a term and show it to more people.


Sorry, that doesn't address the issue at all - namely that there is very little dedicated coverage of the actual subject of the article. I have nominated the article for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Cognitive_Information_Processing_(CIP)_Shell. Please do feel free to participate in that discussion. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:43, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you![edit]

Cheeseburger.png Thank you for helping improve Strategic pluralism. Have a good one! Amin (Talk) 10:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


When you irrevocably deleted Diaconessenhuis, you missed that many of the links are written yet, only not in English, see Diaconessenhuis. This is a stable list. Ymnes (talk) 09:44, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Next to that: Suriname is not the Netherlands. Ymnes (talk) 09:45, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Ymnes - if they are not present on enWP, they are not written yet on enWP. What, you think they auto-translate themselves? Let me put it more simply: lists consisting primarily of redlinks should not be in mainspace. Put this into draftspace in the meantime, or just translate and implement a few more of the Dutch articles before you create a list of these. You are merely being asked not to put the cart (content navigation list) before the horse (actual content). Also, nothing has been deleted irrevocably - just go into the article history and grab whatever version you wish from there. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:54, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Are you serious? "Go translate... etc." ... Ymnes (talk) 09:58, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Honestly, I have no idea what your problem is. If you want this list, then you will have to either provide the content or wait for someone else to do so. If the content isn't there, the list can't be either. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:04, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Please don't order me to write these articles. That is not serious, in spite of whatever arguments you may have for your deletion. It should not be a redirect either: Suriname is not the Netherlands, just like India isn't British any more. Ymnes (talk) 10:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I think this discussion is at an end. Don't reinstate the list without the content being present. Feel free to change the redirect to something more fitting. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:19, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Ymnes - one more thing - you may have been confusing two redirects: Diaconessenhuis and Diakonessenhuis. The latter is the one that contains your material in the history. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:31, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
What are you going to do with the wrong redirect you created? Ymnes (talk) 20:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Nothing at all, since 19 of the 20 locations are hospitals in the Netherlands. Diakonessenhuis (Paramaribo) still exists. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:41, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

List of recently extinct birds[edit]

Was just in the process of reverting that. Have you RPP'd it? If not, I will. Onel5969 TT me 12:13, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Onel5969 - Anna Frodesiak is trying to be optimistic [3]. Let's see if it takes. I'm going to place a formal final warning, then report on next instance. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:18, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks. Onel5969 TT me 12:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Well, she blocked them for 24h herself now. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:23, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

review request[edit]

Hi. Would you please review Burari deaths? It is a current event, and i think if article is showed up in search results, it will be helpful to expand the article. —usernamekiran(talk) 15:22, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

usernamekiran - looks okay to me so far - certainly enough coverage. A couple of points: what is this fragment supposed to mean - "also a Priest named Aabid from South India is the major cause for autopsy"? And, why does the Background section talk about the "Chundawat" family? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:31, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
  • dont know about the preist. And i am confused about the last name. Some RS refer the family as Bhatia, and some as Chundawat. Most of the RS dont even mention the family name, just first names. —usernamekiran(talk) 17:07, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
  • removed that priest piece, some IP had added it a few minutes ago before you reviewed it. —usernamekiran(talk) 17:11, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Your edit to wind power[edit]

Please discuss on talk page before making changes to wind power article. Thanks. Brian Everlasting (talk) 02:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Estimation about B.E.[edit]

Would you mind to sketch a bit, how it came to your judgement about ghostwriting "Mutual energy"? I am myself at the verge of estimating this editor to be a troll, or to be ignorant in a strange idiosyncratic manner. Sorry if bothering, simply delete this in case. Purgy (talk) 12:18, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Purgy Purgatorio: - recently, mostly due to his actions at Wind power [4] - oh yeah, their reaction to being reverted(!) was to leave me the above message. This is either someone who doesn't understand that they are producing biased garbage, or who is doing it for fun. In either case nothing productive can be expected from that quarter. I also remember them spamming female editors with canvassing requests for a move proposal some time ago, apparently in all seriousness [5][6][7][8][9] - this would argue more for "ignorant in a strange idiosyncratic manner" :/ --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry you feel that way. Brian Everlasting (talk) 23:15, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
IIRC, BE first came to my attention with what I consider to be frivolous assertions about the etymology of "coal plant," culminating in what looks like a "dog ate my homework" moment. I find it difficult to assume the competence and good faith of this editor. Just plain Bill (talk) 13:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


Why did you turn it into a redirect? You ask for it’s notability, while it being Marduk’s fifteenth studio album, and also being reviewed by AllMusic, Sputnikmusic, Metal Hammer, and other. The full discography was already listed, so I added with reliable sources their most recent album. ~SML TP 12:00, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Aangan (TV series)[edit]

Hi, thanks for your helpful contributions! You know there are two series by same name, well I want to share something.

  • 2017: Aangan (ARY Digital series)
  • TBA: Aangan (Hum TV series)

ARY is written in capital, it is short for its founder's name; Abdul Razzaq Yaqoob, and its drama started in 2017. While the other one, its release date has not been announced yet and the date written on the page is unsourced. Thanks! M. Billoo 18:11, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

M.Billoo2000 - thanks. I updated the name. I suppose it would still make sense to distinguish the two by network rather than year though? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:18, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes, you are right! M. BillooFace-smile.svg 18:29, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Could you check this for me[edit]

Bubblesorg (SIGN please...) - looks okay to me; cleaned it up a little. I don't think the fossil species need subheadings. Note that the genus is not monotypic if it contains fossil species in addition to the recent species. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok thanks--Bubblesorg (talk) 14:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


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NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018[edit]

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Maria Manna - Duplicate Links[edit]

Hi, I merged the duplicate links on Maria Manna page. Could you please check it once and suggest me what else can I do to fix the issue. Figwood (talk)

Hi Figwood, a further thing that might require improvement is the use of links to disambiguation pages rather than actual articles - these are generally to be avoided. Two that I can see right off are debut album and alternative therapies; there are probably others. If you could make a stab at replacing them with specific links (presumably using piping to retain sensible in-text links), that would be useful. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Elmidae, you was right. Can you please review page once more time. Figwood (talk) 18:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Cheers, looks better now! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:11, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Definition of Endemic[edit]

Dude, as an ecologist you should know better, as endemism is a term mostly favoured by ecologists and conservationists in order to hit home that a particular region or species is special or ought to be protected. Please read up on it.

In biology (not medicine) a species is said to be endemic when it has a distribution restricted to a certain (smallish) geographic area. In the case of the squirrel, it is native to two continents and some 20+ countries. In other words, it is not endemic to Brazil, Suriname, Mexico or any other country; nor is it even endemic to any one continent. Sciurus alleni is a good endemic species, Sciurus granatensis is not. When we calculate endemism for a specific country or region, i.e. 60% endemism in the Salvia species of Turkey indicates that Turkey is of conservation priority regarding Salvia species, Sciurus granatensis will never be counted. One could say it is endemic to the neotropics, but that is rather stretching the concept beyond usefulness.

By defining 'endemic' as a synonym of 'native to' or 'found in', as many mistakenly do here, it erodes the point of using the word endemic in the first place; in cases where it should be used it loses value as a term. And to this old botanist, it looks either silly (uneducated) or alarmist (exaggerating rarity).

Regards, Leo (talk) 12:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@ - The "smallish" is the rub. It's not a prerequisite for usage of the term, and not even part of the formal definition; see our article Endemism. A species can with perfect accuracy be described as endemic to a continent or a climate zone - there's no reason to switch out the term for another. However, it's certainly not something worth edit-warring over. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:10, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
I have read it, and believe it supports my position. Regarding edit-warring, that's not my intention, instead I'd like to convince you of my correctness here, as there are many other instances I'd object to the usage of the term here on Wikipedia. You reverted me, so are you implying you won't stop me re-reverting it, although you don't agree? Then this situation will return, no?
As you mention, "smallish" is the rub. However, can we both agree that two continents is not small? Personally, as a general rule of thumb, whenever the word "and" comes into play I question the use of the word "endemic", preferring discreet geographical entities like single countries, states, provinces, mountain ranges, peninsulae, island (groups).
So I whole-heartedly disagree with your statement "A species can with perfect accuracy be described as endemic to a continent or a climate zone", and do insist that there is good reason to switch out the term for another: 1)'native to' and 'endemic' are not synonyms, endemic implies a restrictive range, 2)misuse of the word 'endemic' leads to debasement of the term, endemic usually has conservation implications, calling entire continents endemic hotspots is just silly.
For perspective, consider the words "cactus" and "succulent". Cacti are succulents, but succulents are not cacti. A bird may be native to France, but that does not imply it is endemic to France. Similar examples: "fast" vs. "light-speed", "poor" vs. "destitute", "rich" vs. "billionaire".
Please see some dictionary definitions of the word (as used in biology) and accept I am right:
Leo (talk) 17:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
I do not want to get involved in your discussion of the wider usage of 'endemic' but in relation to S. granatensis itself, IUCN lists its range as 6 countries rather than 20+ and two continents. Is there other range information that is missing from the article? Regards. Orenburg1 (talk) 19:19, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Ehhh... You are correct there, I was confused about that I realised too late, but that doesn't impact on what I'm trying to say. Sorry about that. (talk) 19:31, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Some more thoughts on this Elmidae:
If you are right and I am wrong, and endemic=native to, you shouldn't object to me changing it, as it doesn't matter. If I am right, and you are wrong, then I am improving Wikipedia by correcting it.
A correct synonym for 'endemic to' would be 'the only one place it occurs in is'. Obviously, the statement 'the only one place it occurs in is France and Spain' is an oxymoron.
Looking through the old versions of the squirrel articles, I note the terminology was originally correct, as in 2007 a bot called polbot automatically generated these wikipedia pages from the 2006 version of the IUCN Red list website (which was based on text from 1996). Where a species occurred in a single country the text called it 'endemic to', where it occurred in more than one the text read 'found in'. It seems in the months that followed, one over-zealous editor replaced 'found in' with 'endemic to'. In 2008 the IUCN updated their website and replaced the text, obscuring the providence of the text in Wikipedia, especially as the references were later editted. The editor in question was likely confused due to that the IUCN Red List database was originally populated by the Red Books produced by individual countries during the 1990s, and in these books endemics were listed per course, threatened or not. Thus the early versions of the IUCN website ended up stuffed with endemics, no doubt misleading non-specialists as to the usage. Thus, even if you don't agree with my definition, I am merely correcting the terminology as used in the original 1996 source.
Hopefully converting you, Leo (talk) 21:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

whale shark[edit]

Whale sharks eat zooplankton, which eat photosynthesizing life, so that puts them at Level 3 when they eat krill. When they eat krill-eating fish they are at Level 4. Somewhere between Levels 3 and 4? That's about where the Big Cats are on land.

I know of no animal that reliably preys upon adult whale sharks. The killer whale, perhaps? Nearly everything is food for killer-whales. I have seen footage of killer whales killing and eating great white sharks -- but not these giants. A killer whale typically immobilizes a great white and causes it to suffocate before eating the dreaded shark. A whale shark is too big for this.

Whale sharks are the oddity of an oceanic predator at the top of the food chain having a short food chain. On land, short food chains are normal, with Big Cats, wild dogs, wolves, hyenas, and giant snakes eating large herbivores. Pbrower2a (talk) 02:00, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Pbrower2a - I guess you have a case there, thanks for expanding on it. Fire away. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:50, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Locomotive Services Limited[edit]

Just before I noticed a message saying you reviewed Locomotive Services Limited I reverted it to a redirect due to a WP:CFORK with Royal Scot Locomotive and General Trust. That article could likely to with a rename however there are a handful of related companies at work with a quite rapid expansion and all are probably best dealt with under one article with redirects to sections. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 14:40, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: it's a good point - hadn't checked up on that. Thank you. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:42, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Loughborough Campus Radio[edit]

Hi Elmiadae, I've noticed you've just deleted and redirected the page for Loughborough Campus Radio. This page was up to the same standards (if not better) than comparative pages for student radio in the UK, and it is noteworthy enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. LCR is the eighth oldest student radio station in the UK, and has multiple historic and cultural ties in the region and nationally (as can be seen with the references), including the first major use of the induction system on a college radio system. Unless you would like to delete all other pages for comparative student radio stations in the UK (which would not be desired), then please reinstate it. Many thanks. JWGG (talk) 18:52, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Joshuawggray, I do not agree that the provided sources demonstrate sufficient notability for a standalone article (although there is certainly suitable material for inclusion into the university article, even at some length). We need a certain perponderance of independent coverage, and here that seems to consist entirely of the History and Heritage Network writeup - who are not exactly picky about what they document. That other similar articles are undersourced does not change that. You are of course free to reinstate the article, but in that case I believe I will take up a discussion at WP:AfD in that regard. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:53, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

wait why[edit]

Australia would later be split from the rest of the world and became isolated.

Thats ok why did you delete it.--Bubblesorg (talk) 22:31, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Because it is one of your trademark half-baked formulations that are just wrong enough to not belong in an article. Australia was never "split off from the world" - it temporarily lost its land connections to the other large land masses. That is not the same as being marooned in outer space, as any number of taxa arrivals during that period show. This kind of overstatement has no business being in what is supposed to be an authoritative encyclopedia article. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:10, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Blue duck[edit]

Thanks for the correction that you made there. FYI, this user has done the same thing (put 'doubleheader' names in box titles) to several other 'bird' pages recently; so you may wish to check those as well. Ross Finlayson (talk) 06:35, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Why not explain your reverts[edit]

I note the change you reverted at Blue duck. The editor in question is new, so why not nicely explain why you did it on their talk page? Remember that in New Zealand where that editor is from dual naming of things is common due to the bicultural nature of the place. We drive away too many editors through curt imposition of our myriad rules. Sabine's Sunbird talk 06:35, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I considered it no big deal, but you are right that an explanation never hurts. Left one at their page. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:49, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Cheers :) Sabine's Sunbird talk 07:19, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks from NPP[edit]


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Missing signature[edit]

Here. Regards. Leo1pard (talk) 10:36, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Vejella Satyanarayana[edit]

In March, you reviewed Vejella Satyanarayana and tagged it as unreferenced and lacking notability. When you see unreferenced BLPs at new page patrol, can you please tag them with BLPPROD instead? Bradv 16:35, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Cheers, that slipped through... --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:38, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks. Bradv 16:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Yong Muhajil[edit]

Why are you removing my message maam/ sir??? Is it prohibited to have a page for a public figure??. He is a model and a winner of a Reality show. He is also a singer. Is there standards that is set for making a page for a biography of public figure??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johanry (talkcontribs) 16:57, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

A) The next time you remove the deletion notice, I will report you to an administrator. As the page author, you may NOT do so. B) I already gave you the links to the notability guidelines on your talk page, which you elected to delete. Great start, man. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
B) Excuse me maam, could you show me the standards of creating a page??? I guess my page is satisfied in the criteria. I am nor yet finished editing the page, I am still in progress. I am just curious. Could you explain it well??? . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johanry (talkcontribs) 17:09, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
C.) Thanks for the concern maam/ sir. It helps me on how to go through deeper understanding about wikipedia standarts. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johanry (talkcontribs) 17:16, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
See WP:NBIO, and on that page, specifically WP:ENTERTAINER. If all the person ever was known for was coming up 3rd on a reality TV show, they do not satisfy our requirements for being regarded as a "notable person" in the Wikipedia sense. If you can demonstrate otherwise (by showing that they received substantial, in-depth, independent coverage by reliable third-party sources), feel free to do so, but I suggest doing that in draft space (e.g. by starting Draft:Yong Muhajil) and then submitting the page to Articles for Creation, where it will be vetted. If you drop this kind of thing into mainspace again, it will be deleted again - do your incremental building in draft space please. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:21, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


I attempted to Round Robin another batch of undiscussed moves by OZODOR, didn't realize I needed an extra permission. Cards84664 (talk) 23:50, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Chicago station (CTA Brown and Purple Lines) 1 - Article is here now.

Chicago (CTA Brown & Purple Lines)
Chicago (CTA Brown and Purple Lines)
Chicago (CTA Brown and Purple Lines station)
Chicago (CTA Purple and Brown Lines)
Chicago station (CTA Brown & Purple Lines)

Chicago station (CTA Brown and Purple Lines) - Should be here

Sorry about that. Cards84664 (talk) 23:50, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: Cards84664 (talk) 02:35, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Just post what needs to be done, and why, in a brief request at WP:RMTR. Dicklyon (talk) 04:04, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
@Cards84664: Yup, outline the issue at WP:RMTR and they should be able to sort it out. This will require some deletion, rather than just moving without leaving a redirect (which is what enables round robins). --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:51, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

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The article on Thinsulate is currently being discussed for deletion. It would be greatly appreciated if you would offer your thoughts. The discussion is here: [10]. Lovelylinda1980 (talk) 14:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

King quail[edit]

I was only trying to make the entry consistent within itself. The 2 synonyms following it contain parentheses, and those should be removed instead. There are a few instances where parentheses are used, although usually not under the synonyms because the font style differs. Refiner (talk) 14:40, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Refiner - It's not a question of style, but of whether the taxon is still using the original name assigned by the descriptor. Currently one of the synonyms by Linnaeus (Tetrao) is w/o parentheses, while the others have them. That indicates thatTetrao was the originally given name; another one is now used, however the author of that is the same, hence is bracketed. This happens quiet a lot with Linnaeus in particular. Check out the subspecies naming fun (bracketed and not) people had with this quail: [11] (I don't think all these need to go into the article :p). --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:14, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Elmidae - That is the very reason I don't make many edits here. I come for the information and links to resources, and when something like a citation needs fixing (eg. early wiki style without details or a dead link), I try to find the details needed to fix it. Taxonomy has so many intricacies and the way certain data is handled has been tweaked so many times since I began my research, I think it best I leave those bits alone. It's hard enough using my phone to make edits as it is. Thank you for enlightening me about the usage of parentheses in this case. --Refiner (talk)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018[edit]

Hello Elmidae, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

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could you please check this for me?[edit]