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R rotunda

Having moved the article formerly at Half r to R rotunda, have you any plans to change the article itself to reflect the new title? --Stemonitis 17:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


I am pleased to "meet" you, and pleased to have your input on the debate at Míkmaq hieroglyphic writing. While I agree that Fell's "work" in this field is unscholarly and disreputable, I would argue that his impact is sufficiently significant to merit the brief mention in the article. His publications are irritatingly successful and apparently incited a Smithsonian response. On the other hand, I also agree that calling it an "alternative theory" isn't desirable. TriNotch 06:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, Michael: I've been away for a few days and have only just received your message about this article. It appears that the article is working itself out. It is obvious that Fell has fallen into the same trap as many a comparative linguist and added their own wishful thinking to the vaguest of coincidences. There are questions about the true nature, usage and provenance of the script, but I'm sure these can be discussed further. — Gareth Hughes 22:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

The word for that diacritic that turns c into ch

Hey man, I'm aware that you are an expert in this field, so could you please come and look at the move poll going down on Talk:Caron. We'd appreciate your input. Someone mentioned your name, which is why I decided to contact you. - FrancisTyers · 09:51, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I got bogdan to close the poll. Definately no consensus for moving. - FrancisTyers · 16:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: Autobiography?

Hi there! The article was brought to my attention via a conversation on IRC, so I've no prior experience with the subject (apparently you) of the article or the controversy surrounding it. The autobiography tag is relatively new to Wikipedia, and I thought it a good idea to specifise what the particular issue is. In as far as NPOV, I don't really see any other than that you are referred to as an expert linguist without any citation. I think it best to leave the tag up just because the article is heavily edited by its subject. I agree that editing an article about oneself is not at all against the rules and I encourage you to be bold!. Sláinte! hoopydinkConas tá tú? 16:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


I'm glad to see I'm not the only one to be put off by that situation. FWIW - I tend to suspect that among Americans at least, Newport, RI is probably much more renown that the one in Wales, (I certainly had never heard of it, before I saw the article). Sumergocognito 08:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I think we may have reached stalemate on this one. I don't think other admins are going to agree that there is consensus on moving the article to Newport, Wales. I suggest that the best way forward would be to re-start the vote from scratch, putting forward various proposals, eg.
  1. Move to Newport, Monmouthshire and put the disambig pages at Newport and Newport, Wales
  2. Move to Newport, Wales and put the disambig page at Newport and a redirect at Newport, Monmouthshire
  3. Not move
  4. Any other alternatives you can think of

Then we can see whether any of these achieves consensus. There is one point about "Newport" which doesn't apply to places such as "Plymouth", which is that it is a generic name. The place in RI is (as far as I know) not named after the one in Monmouthshire, but is just called that because it was founded as a "new port", whereas Plymouth in the USA was actually named after Plymouth in England. Deb 11:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Newport should be the dab. Tell me if there is a new vote. Where the Monmouthshire one goes is secondary. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

SayWhatYouMean's User Page

Never, ever write on my userpage again. It is vandalism. --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 20:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

You addressed me in the second person on your User Page. If you didn't want a reply, you shouldn't have done that. Please leave me alone. I'm not your enemy, and neither am I any of the things you say I am. Evertype 20:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Can typefaces be copyrighted?

Hi Michael, you seem like a good person to ask. Can typefaces be copyrighted? I thought so, but the uploader of Commons:Image:Oglogo.gif and Commons:Image:Oologo.gif says otherwise. User:Angr 11:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not a trademark specialist. In my opinion, the text "Ocean Girl" rendered in the font used to refer to the character or whatever is a legitimate image for the Wikipedia. Evertype 13:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, but since the images are on Commons, they have to be either public domain or freely licensed, so if they're copyrighted, they can't be kept at Commons, though they could be kept here if a valid "fair use" claim could be made. But more generally, can't typefaces be copyrighted? User:Angr 14:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
If a person has a font and types some words with it, and saves it as an image, that person may certainly upload that image to the commons. Please take questions about typeface copyright law to a typeface page or a discussion list like TYPO-L. Evertype 14:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: This page needs to be deleted

Evertype wrote (on Talk:List of ISO 15924 codes by letter code):

The Unicode Consortium is the Registration Authority for ISO 15924. I am the appointed registrar. I object to this article comprising the code list. The code list is subject to change and a link to the official site is surely sufficient. Evertype 18:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The matter is now being discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ISO 15924 codes by letter code. I have copied over your reason for deletion, feel free to comment further – Gurch 16:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I replied to your comment. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ISO 15924 codes by letter code Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Can you update the count when you add one and respond on my talk page. Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 14:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


There is a vote going on at Talk:Cináed I of Scotland to move loads of early Scottish kings to anachronistic English names which are going out of favour in English language publications. People supporting the move have no knowledge or contribution history in the area, yet the wiki pop voting will nevertheless result in a victory unless they are opposed. Regards. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 16:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. Angr generally favors English usage, so I doubt he would be all that supportive. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 20:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


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Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Kayah Li

What is this about? Kayah Li is one of the world's writing systems. There are many people working on articles about the world's writing systems. This preremptory deletion was an abuse of Wikipedia principles. Indeed it was remarkable in its obtuseness. Shame on you. Evertype 18:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Howdy! You appear to have misunderstood the reason the article was deleted. Please review WP:CSD A1. It was a single sentence long and lacked anything near the context needed for an article. - CHAIRBOY () 18:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Can you not have patience as people work on articles? Did you leave comments on the Talk page for long enough for people to react? Evertype 18:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Evertype! To avoid having an article deleted during creation, don't actually save the changes until it's at least big enough to stand on its own and steer clear of the A1 CSD. The preview button allows any level of fine tuning that is necessary and helps keep the project together. If you would like, I could provide some introductory documentation on how these policies work on Wikipedia. Thanks! - CHAIRBOY () 18:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I am not a newbie, Chairboy. I don't need a lecture. Thanks. Don't be so quick to delete things. Give ediitors a chance. Your actions have not been helpful to several editors. Take the hint, please. Evertype 19:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi! If you feel I have done something wrong, I strongly encourage you to bring an example to WP:AN/I or RfC. I welcome constructive criticism and opportunities to improve. Thanks! - CHAIRBOY () 19:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I've criticized you here, and so has Tobias. You can improve by taking this advice on board. I have better things to do than go to to WP:AN/I. Evertype 19:08, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Evertype, Tobias's criticism was that he objected to my proper interpretation of policy. Your criticism seemed to suggest that I had somehow deleted the article because I didn't think it was a real language, which is why I drew your attention to the WP:CSD so you could better understand the circumstances. If you have any actual actionable criticism that is based on the community consensus, policy, or other, then I invite it. I feel that your messages above lack that, so I can't really do anything with them. If you feel you cannot properly word the advice or criticism, you may find others on AN/I who can assist. Regards, - CHAIRBOY () 19:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
The criticism is that you rushed a deletion through about an article which is a member of a category which has a great many active users (Writing systems). A stub in such a category need not be deleted hastily. Instead of quoting the "rules" at people who have been trying to object to something you did, you might listen to their advice. Here is my advice. Do not be so hasty in future. When someone protests that he intends to augment a stub, you should let him rather than proceding with a deletion. Evertype 19:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! However, another small misconception is now evident. At no point did he ever protest that he intended to augment it. He appeared to feel that it was A-OK as is and did not express any intention to expand it at all. - CHAIRBOY () 20:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Well he is a bit new to this. In any case... my point about stubs in actively developing categories remains. Don't be hasty if you can help it. Evertype 20:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
New? haha. If you think tobias is new to this you are living under a rock. He's already done the exact same thing with countless other stubs he created, and each time someone has told him to politely put more info in and each time he has just cried admin abuse. He's even been told this at DRV. You can ignore his history, but the rest of the wiki has seen him do this before. Multiple times. pschemp | talk 22:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Since he has in excess of 30,000 edits, I'm not sure that he can be accurately described as "new to this", but I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your response. - CHAIRBOY () 20:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to be honest here, I had not seen Tobias' history, but his behaviour seemed very much to be that of an enthusiastic newbie. I see now that he's more interested in volume than content, and shall bear that in mind in future. Evertype 18:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Nice work on Kayah Li script, THAT'S what an article looks like. I hope Tobias will find a positive example in what you did. - CHAIRBOY () 19:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I never claimed I wrote a great article. I wrote a mini stub. My point is that Chairboy abused his admin rights and sticked to it. I did only argue by WP policies. Beyond policies I agree with Evertype that such a new stub should not hastily deleted. I think it is of no value to say what I intended to do with the stub in the future. Chairboy did not new about my intentions anyway. Yes, Evertype, I am very new to Kayah Li script. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe that stubs should be hastily deleted. But I do not think that mini-stubs add much value, and it's not so hard to put some useful information in a first stub. I do recall recently being appalled by the terribly low quality and inaccuracy of your initial Gaelic script mini-stub. It was awful. I had to write a decent article immediately just so it wouldn't be there. You should not consider "mini-stubs" to be sufficient stubs, and I will bear this in mind in future. Evertype 18:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Template:Standardization caveat

(was: Template:Standard caveat) {{standardization caveat}} Grumble grumble. Hope this will stop people from stepping into the pothole. Template talk:Standard caveat, what links there. – Kaihsu 22:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Ought to be "Standardization caveat", I should think. Evertype 08:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Moved. – Kaihsu 07:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:Tobias/Message on my talkpage

I know, but he has really helped out the Writing Systems articles. He's helped a lot at repairing and expanding things. I'm staying out of the other conflicts there, those are between him and some other wikipedians. I won't protest or endorse any blocks or anything unless I become involved, because I don't know enough about the whole thing. Apparently, this conflict goes back a few months. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 17:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Dhives Akuru

Yes, I do. A Portuguese friend in Maliku sent it to me. I intend to eventually use it as a guide to create a free Unicode font, though I'm not yet sure if I'll use the range designated for Thaana or if I will use the PUA, or if I will hope that someday you and your friends will wise up to the fact that although they are very similar in that they both represent the exact same sounds of the same language with a similar type of writing system (unlike Gabuli Taana, Dives Akuru is in fact an abugida), they are very different in both glyph shape and shaping behaviour (Dives Akuru has conjunct forms [known to your community as "halant", I believe, which is a Hindi word and thus I don't believe it's fair to use it when referring to a Maldivian script, and there is a chance it could offend some Maldivians, especially those who feel strongly about Maliku, as well as special forms that glyphs take when combining with a specific vowel, again like many Indo-Austric scripts), and that in many of the more recent Dhives Akuru documents, certain parts are written in Gabuli Taana. Anyhow, I plan to release the font, like all of my other semi-decent ones (my earlier, poorer fonts were copyleft), into the public domain because I believe that knowledge and information should always be free, no matter how many nights I stay up late for it. --Node 04:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Above now copied to Talk:Dhives Akuru. – Kaihsu 15:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Rejang script

Hi, I was working on Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations and encountered the Rejang script article. It seems to be a direct copy & paste from [1] which you also used as a source in the article. Normally (with new editors) I would put a {{copyvio}} tag but since you're not a new editor I thought it's better to check it with you if the material is licensed under a free license or public domain. Cheers, Garion96 (talk) 12:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I think, by contributing, Michael Everson (User:Evertype) is licensing the text from N3096 (he being its author) under GFDL. So: not copyvio. – Kaihsu 15:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your message on my talk, I am glad it's not a copyvio. For the next time, would it be possible for you to make a note on the original website/document that re-use is permitted under the GFDL and state at the talk page where to find that note? Just in case some other editor working on copyvio's tags your articles. Garion96 (talk) 18:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Above now copied to Talk:Rejang script. – Kaihsu 11:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


[2] We don't protect articles while they are on the main page. This has been discussed many times, and many disagree with the decision not to do it; the problem should be addressed when this becomes mature.

Regards, Samsara (talkcontribs) 11:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Wp Ireland

well, I am glad there is, but it will be of little use if nobody is active on it (and I assume you simply created it to be rid of the NI template?) Should we go about now and tag everything in Category:Ireland with this?? dab () 15:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

sure, I am not fundamentally opposed to those projects. Ideally, there would now be a daughter project "History of Ireland", and we would then tag the Ogham article with that :) dab () 15:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: Me

Hi there! The article is clearly an autobiography; it's not really debatable, as it's a plain fact, Cheers hoopydinkConas tá tú? 17:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I could easily create a template that mentions the autobiography in different rhetoric if you wish hoopydinkConas tá tú? 17:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi again! Sorry it's taken a few days to get back to you. I apologise if my actions have somehow caused you stress; my intentions are only to provide accurate information to Wikipedia. I think that you originally became a bit irked at my actions due to an edit summary I used at Talk:Michael Everson. My edit summary consisted of a question; it was not aimed at you, but as a general note that it was odd that the AfD decision had been improperly listed. I was correct in adjusting the AfD tag and was a bit surprised that you attempted to skew the facts. As an experienced Wikipedian who has largely had a positive impact on the project, I was a little disappointed that you attempted to adjust the AfD tags incorrectly. It's not a big deal and I assume it was due to your inherent personal involvement in the article. I've looked into the "Category:Wikipedian autobiographies" and have realised that the category accomplishes my original aim. I only wish that I had looked at it prior to our encounter, for then our little incident may never have happened. If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me (also, please note that I will be keeping an eye on the article to ensure it remains neutral, but the version as of this message looks fine to me). hoopydinkConas tá tú? 15:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

RE:Olmec Hieroglyphs and Cascajal Block

That's fine. Sometimes lazy mergers will just redirect w/o merging, so I placed the notice to make sure that the information wasn't lost; I think it's okay to leave the tag on until the articles are actually merged (maybe someone will do it in the meantime)--Confuzion 23:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing the {{wsproj}} template. I copied it from a video game wikiproject template, so there still may be some leftover things from the original template. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 23:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Your comment on Angr's talk

Thanks for the tips, Evertype! Whether it helps or not depends on which dialect of Irish you are speaking. In order not to get confused to death, I stick with Caighdeán/Connacht (I may move on to incorporating other dialects in a few years). Which part of Ireland are you from?--Ag Foghlaim 21:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)