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Blocked. The editor had enough warnings and was clearly ignoring them and refusing to communicate. Dougweller (talk) 14:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I was tempted to do it myself. This person was not a net asset to Wikipedia. Favonian (talk) 14:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
True, I was slightly surprised you didn't have that last redirect. Dougweller (talk) 15:57, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Gah! Hopping IP's!

[1]. Island Monkey talk the talk 15:40, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Isn't he wonderful? My own pet stalker. Thanks for removing some of his droppings from my talk page. Favonian (talk) 16:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:Civility overrules a request to not edit an archive

If I get blocked I will be making a formal complaint against you. Reverted edit on the basis of WP:Civility; the fact that it's an archive doesn't insulate it from that. (talk) 21:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I've saved you the trouble: WP:ANI#Obnoxious admin not allowing removal of impolite talk page comments. Favonian (talk) 21:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


Hello! I noticed you contributed to Middlesex University entry on Wikipedia. If you studied at that University, please consider including this userbox on your userpage. Simply paste {{User:Invest in knowledge/mdx}} to your userpage. Thank you. Invest in knowledge (talk) 18:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Regrettably, I didn't have that honor. Favonian (talk) 18:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Great welcome to new user: BabbaQ-Stalking-Me

Hi, this is me. Would you care to look at my talk page and unblock request/s? If you look at BabbaQ's edit history you will see he started stalking/harrassing me immediately. I couldn't do anythign about it, so I made a username to attract attention to my problem - only to have you block me and move on! - BabbaQ-Stalking-Me (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

As I see it, you've been edit warring on the Vittorio Arrigoni article, and when warned about this, you create an account under a name that's a blatant violation of our policy. Since I'm the admin who blocked you, I won't be reviewing your request. Favonian (talk) 15:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, that's correct - but what about BabbaQ's conduct? That wasn't beyond reproach was it? Characterizing my efforts as "vandalism" and proceeding to UNDO ALL MY edits!? Is that acceptable behaviour on Wikipedia? BabbaQ-Stalking-Me (talk) 15:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
You are now continuing the edit war by IP jumping; not the best way to persuade anyone of you constructive intentions. Favonian (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I have infinite IPs to choose from. If I didn't have "constructive intentions" I would just start another username tomorrow and carry on. But I'm trying to allow Wikipedia to act justly to restore my faith in the project - instead of just banning the victim and new user outright, because I didn't adhere to the letter of the law (which I wasn't even aware of!!!) - BabbaQ's stalk victim. (talk) 15:49, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
We'll just keep blocking your IPs for block evasion. Favonian (talk) 15:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Favonian is there a way to block him/her for good as the IP now declares that it will continue to evade the block forever.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Nah, they're not worth the trouble of a ban just yet. Favonian (talk) 15:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. Maybe you could take a look at my request for article protection of Vittorio Arrigoni.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I'll let another admin review it, as I may otherwise be accused of too heavy involvement. Favonian (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, sorry to bother you again but could you block the IP again, he has once again evaded his block via a new IP. Check out my talk page.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:49, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Is back again

Please check out user RFI2013 and IP im not sure but I find this users edits to be very similar to the vandal mentioned in this discussion. Take a look at Amanda Lindhout the IP first removed a huge section of the article and then minutes later RFI2013 made edits so no coincidence of you ask me .--BabbaQ (talk) 18:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

RFI2013 and the IP may well be the same, but the latter is from a different country than the previous one we dealt with. The new couple has committed some fairly questionable edits, so I'll try and keep an eye on them. Favonian (talk) 20:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Now also IP seem to be into the same articles as the other IP.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
RFI2013 is now doing the same as the vandal last night. When challanged he/ she sents me basically a message telling me im wrong and the user is right. Like now on my talk page. --BabbaQ (talk) 21:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
{{ec} I have semi-protected the article for a week. If the named account continues, somebody may have to add full protection to The Wrong Version. Meanwhile, remember to beware the three-revert limit. Favonian (talk) 21:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for full protection. But the user would never leave it alone I guess.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I bet the last word has not been spoken :( It's midnight in my time zone, so I'll be signing off shortly. During the coming week, the action should be on the article talk page. Favonian (talk) 22:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
The user has now started an discussion on the talk page. I find it quite amusing as the user is contradicting her/himself troughout.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:27, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I also see the similarities between this message of one of the blocked vandals from yesterday here, and RFI2013 comment here. Same use of large letters, interesting.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
There was certainly a similarity with another blocked editor: WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Ledenierhomme. Since the named account has now departed, I'll lower DefCon to semi-protection on the article. Favonian (talk) 13:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Anti "Roman" vandal back

Hi - The vandal who removes "Roman" from "Roman Catholic" is back, using IP Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Blocked for two days. Favonian (talk) 18:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


Nothing like having the Wikimedia databases lock up right in the middle of trying to block a person. Thanks for finally getting through with that block. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

The least I could do. Took three attempts to get past the deadlock. Wonder if it's because several of us try to execute(!) the block simultaneously. Favonian (talk) 20:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Maybe. I think I clicked the block three or four times. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I did the same thing, but it's locked up like that for me before in the past week or so with just me trying to execute a block. Acroterion (talk) 21:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


How long should this remain? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 16:32, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra?
I'm really on the fence here, partly because (as I've mentioned before) I think we are dealing with a person who has a medical condition. At the risk of appearing to be conflict-shy, I would recommend taking it to WP:MFD. Favonian (talk) 16:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
ah well... yiską́o shį́į́... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 16:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Si, mañana Face-wink.svg Favonian (talk) 16:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
And here we are, a week later: [2]. Favonian (talk) 20:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
oh, wow, surprise! Not. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 23:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

We both acted in parallel on the Chera Dynasty mess. I couldn't see vandalism in either party's edits. Am I missing some background here?—Kww(talk) 15:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

By either party I assume you mean (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and (talk · contribs · WHOIS). They are clearly the same, and the latter was blocked yesterday. Based on the former's edits to user talk pages (like this one), it was pretty clear that they were up to no good, so I blocked them. Whether they are in fact socks of User:PONDHEEPANKAR is a different question, which I will leave to those with more insight. Favonian (talk) 15:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Niels Bohr

Editing the Niels Bohr page

I have changed very few parts of the page about Niels Bohr with very strong backing in primary sources allready named at the page! (see my comments in history):


1. Werner Heisenbergs letter to Robert Jungk - printed in his book "Stronger than a thousand suns" page 100 (published first 1956). A letter about Werner Heisenbergs meeting with Niels Bohr in 1941.

2. Niels Bohrs many (7!) notes written after the war about the same meeting in 1941. Released by his son Aage Bohr from Bohrs archive in 2002.

3. Robert Jungk's description (page 160) in his book and other sources about Bohrs two meetings (see sources in the edited texts) with Churchill and Roosevelt in 1944.

4. Michael Frayns analyse in the last edition of his play "Copenhagen" (1998) about the meeting in 1941. And about all sources at hand.


I have edited and every time named my sources in the comments.

But somebody CHANGED BACK with out any conversation with me?

Is this fair?

Or just some unfriendly people, who dount trust the reasonably sources?

And why change my argumented edits without comments?

Viggoodin - Denmark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viggoodin (talkcontribs) 16:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

My talk page is the wrong venue for making your case. You should do so at Talk:Niels Bohr, and more importantly: you should do so instead of reintroducing the material after several editors have contested it. That was the message in the warning I dropped on your talk page. It really doesn't matter how "right" you believe your additions to be; you need to get consensus for their inclusion. You are very close to getting blocked temporarily from editing, so please heed the warning! Favonian (talk) 17:07, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Well - you send a message to my talkpage to warn me - and you do it again.

I opened an identity om Wikepedia yesterday - and understood first I had a talkpage today.

And what did I wrong?

Some one told me I should write in the comments box. (Thank you!). And I did it!

Nobody contested my editings writing to my about the contents??

Have anybody contested my few editings? No!

I have now learned - that talk pages exist!

So I can write to people, who change my editings!

And suggest a discussion on the Niels Bohr page for others to read!

Dount you think this is the right procedure?

Viggoodin - Denmark--Viggoodin (talk) 17:22, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

To the extent that I understand what you mean: yes, taking the discussion away from the article and to the talk page is the right procedure. If you try to reintroduce the material in the article without prior discussion, you will be blocked. Favonian (talk) 17:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Evidently, the message didn't get through to you. You now have 24 hours in which to study the guidelines and contemplate the situation. Favonian (talk) 17:32, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi, could you help me and some other users by blocking article Anton Abele so only administrators can edit it. Because of an ongoing conflict of interests with user ENCRYPTMATRON. Please block it in its original version which its currently in by user Keepvm edit. A week or so would be sufficient so it can be discussed on the talk page. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I am very reluctant to apply full protection "on demand", especially on a version created by what appears to be a single-purpose account. You can ask for a second opinion at WP:RFPP. Favonian (talk) 17:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes I have done that now. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Could you please check out user ENCRYPTMATRON against any vandals that has been blocked. Im feeling a connection there with some former account...Thanks--BabbaQ (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
That would require CheckUser privileges, which I don't have. If you have bit more than just a feeling, you should submit a request for a sockpuppet investigation. Favonian (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

VB again

Despite your instruction on the author's talk page, this has been created again. My first thought was MfD but from what I see of the history it is really blatant enough for speedy G4 and possibly a block - I'm prepared to do either/both of those, but checking to see what you think? JohnCD (talk) 18:03, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Facepalm This can only be intended as a provocation. G4 speedy plus temporary block seem called for. Favonian (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
G4-ed, blocked a month. I was thinking of a week till I saw the block log. JohnCD (talk) 19:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks John! One month is the right length; next time it's indefinite. Favonian (talk) 19:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi, I happen to be working on a page right now that has a book by Frisch in English. It's not listed, and I'm not seeing an obvious precedent in German. I'll check the British Library if I have the Energie, but I'd rather just enjoy my cup of tea.
Cheers, Varlaam (talk) 17:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I have always wondered what your user name means. It sounds like it should be an epoch.
"During the Middle Favonian, hamsters often attained a height of 10 feet."
That never occurred to me, but I might just put it on my user page :) The word does have a meaning: wikt:favonian. Guess it was some pampered, Mediterranean person who associated "mild, gentle" with the west wind. He certainly never spent time in Denmark.
Wish you luck with the project. Regrettably, I don't have any great insight in apiology; just happen to know a little German.
Now I have to ask: did you name yourself after an alcoholic monk in a Russian opera? Favonian (talk) 17:12, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I prefer to say the "disreputable drunken monk", thank you very much.
It was my IMDb name in the 1990s when I was one of their top researchers. (They tell you if you are one.)
Mussorgsky based his opera on Pushkin's play, but it's the opera I know. The Soviet opera film is first class. I actually think "Varlaam", the IMDb guy, reviewed a different Soviet film. (That's a long time ago.)
My speciality at the IMDb was historical documentary. I put all the real people into the IMDb, presidents, prime ministers, popes, secretaries-general of the UN, civil rights leaders, Nazis.
I had to decide what full name to use for Lenin, Stalin, Gandhi, since I created all of their IMDb pages. Vladimir Ilyich? Vladimir Ilyich "Lenin" Ulyanov? I settled on V.I. Lenin. Goering or Göring? I had to decide. Goebbels. Umlaut?
I believe they've retained all my decisions except for one. It's the Gandhi problem, Gandhi and his buddy Nehru.
Should it be names -- Mohandas (K.) and Jawaharlal -- or honorary titles -- Mahatma and Pandit? The IMDb uses some titles, but I opted for names here: Mohandas. After a few years, they changed to Mahatma, since (presumably) many people believe that is a name, and not a title.
I did the full "cast" for the JFK Zapruder film. I had to add the other JFK films (the reverse angle ones) because they weren't even in there at all.
I did the "cast" for Riefenstahl's Triumph des Willens.
If the IMDb says something like "Himself (behind Hitler)", that is my style. I invented that, and I had to fight a big battle there to have it retained.
Before me, every person in every documentary was Himself. Is it a professor, a biographer, a little boy? No differentiation.
The UK series World at War originally, when I set it up, told you who every person is: Himself (...). But the cast manager there didn't like that. Because it was an innovation. So he nuked all the detail.
That battle went to the very top. I eventually won the battle, but not before a lot of films and TV series had been nuked. And in a decade, has anyone else recreated my data? No. You need to be an expert on historical footage.
You know, it is really weird. I have seen my research, written in my personal style, appear on DVDs.
Weird, weird, weird.
I guess when I die, that will be my legacy. I invented the IMDb's documentary style which they have used for over a decade. (I had a stroke in March, and spent a week in intensive care. Your brain needs 6 months to return to whatever state it is going to return to. Most of my memory seems to be back now. I have a condition which has no name yet. "In 50 years, when they have finished mapping the human genome, your condition will have a name.")
West wind? Really? 4 ½ years of Latin in school. 30 years since then. I don't think I have ever encountered that word. Weird.
Denmark? Yeah? Denmark is where I speak Spanish!
I was only in Denmark once. 1987. We had spent the summer driving around Europe: Amsterdam, Pamplona (running with the bulls [and the cows]), Istanbul, Amsterdam.
My friends flew home. I had the Renault for 2 more weeks by myself.
What to do? What to do? I know: Bergen!
So I drove to Bergen, then back to Paris (to return the Renault), then flew home from A'dam.
I am at one of the palaces outside Copenhagen. I forget the name.
It is September and starting to get cold. The only tourist around is me.
I am walking through the grounds, then the parking lot.
A guy and his girlfriend on a motorcycle. He drives up to me.
Asks me in Spanish where the palace is.
I tell him, in Spanish.
The guy found the only person (?) in Denmark who speaks Spanish?
Very strange.
Legoland! In Copenhagen, I was also shopping for LPs. Secret Oyster, things like that.
I got a homestay in Copenhagen through the tourist office.
The man I stayed with, an anthropologist or ethnographer, his family owned, or had owned, the windmill that is famous if you're Danish. The windmill in the battle in the Slesvig war with the Prussians?? (It is not famous in English.)
So which town are you in? (I'm north of Toronto. It is not exciting around here.) Varlaam (talk) 18:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, this is somewhat relevant to Wikipedia.
My attempt to unionize the data researchers at the IMDb failed.
It was defeated by a guy who is now famous. He's on TV.
Nice guy though. Very knowledgeable.
Varlaam (talk)

Useful help

Thanks for the welcome. I wonder if you can help here? I don't know enough about the way things work to fix it myself, but I hope you can see what I was trying to do. Absconded Northerner (talk) 02:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with this particular template, but generally speaking, inserting a non-breaking space in an HTML table cell to indicate that it really should be displayed as an empty box is the way to do it — and it certainly looks a lot better than the original version. If you need help with a very specific, technical issue, you can add the {{Help me}} template (with appropriate verbiage) to Talk:1989 Wimbledon Championships – Women's Singles. Alternatively, you can ask the question (without the template) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis. Favonian (talk) 09:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Okay. It's not that important, but I wondered why Laura Golarsa doesn't need a non-breaking space but the others do. Since it works now I'll leave it alone. Thanks anyway. Absconded Northerner (talk) 13:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

He's back!

Special:Contributions/ThurdBurgla. Regards, WWGB (talk) 05:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Not anymore, he ain't! Favonian (talk) 08:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

New sock suspected

Hi, I suspect that Anoraketan (talk · contribs) may be a sock of Anorakery (talk · contribs) - the sock investigation on the latter is closed, how do I reopen it? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

You go to WP:SPI#Submitting an SPI case and follow the instructions there. Remember to give "Anoraker" as the sockmaster's name. I have already blocked the new and very obvious sock, but it would be good to have sleeper check. Favonian (talk) 21:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 Done have reopened case - I hope I did it correctly. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Yep, that did the trick. MuZemike did a CheckUser, found no sleepers, but blocked the underlying IP range for a couple of weeks. Hopefully, that will bring peace to the railway stations. Favonian (talk) 08:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
My optimism may have been a trifle premature: (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
His filter log seems to indicate that he take it personally. Favonian (talk) 10:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) also. He's really got it in for me. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Congratulations! What a nasty little bugger. Favonian (talk) 21:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not your playground to vandalize

We have been alerted by our IT department that you removed the entry "Danielle Blondell" multiple times from the article "Danielle". We are simply trying to introduce famous jewish physicists onto wikipedia and after multiple attempts to begin, by adding the name into articles, you continue to vandalize the "Danielle" article by deleting her name before we have the opportunity to even introduce the article. We do not understand your reasons and request that you please stop, or at the very least give us some time to add the articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PRSphysicssociety (talkcontribs) 19:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Good to see that you decided to register a login name. The right order of things is for you to create an article about this individual, bearing in mind that you have to establish notability according to WP:ACADEMIC. Should this succeed, you may add her name to the Danielle article. Favonian (talk) 19:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting Duke Nukem Forever

Wow, I was struggling to figure out how far back to revert, then started writing a request for protection. Glad you got in quickly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattGiuca (talkcontribs) 12:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure — well, sort of. The little 4chan creeps are getting bored and have stepped up their activity recently. Favonian (talk) 12:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

You have a fan

It seems someone doesn't like you - Favonain (talk · contribs) --Biker Biker (talk) 11:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I have many ;) This particular moron has been haunting AIV using various IP addresses. Doesn't like being interrupted in his endeavor. Thanks for catching him! Favonian (talk) 11:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism to Wtshymanski

Be patient with user:Autisexp235. The user page claims he's autistic, so we shouldn't be as rapidly brutal as we usually are to most disruptive editors. He's also involved in some edit-warting with Wtshymanski and that would try anyone's patience. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:09, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, duly noted. Someone with a softer touch than mine should inform him that repeatedly vandalizing the opponent's user page is not an appropriate escalation of a content dispute. Favonian (talk) 14:11, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
User:Andy Dingley, you are thanked because I think you are saying it all correctly. I un-embedded my image from the page "fluorescent lamp" until user:Wtshymanski learns how not to vandalize my true and reliable info and images that I own all of its rights. So remember, Favonian, (a bit of a police officer) I only did what I did because user:Wtshymanski did the same to me first. So blame it all on him. On your thanks, Favonian, now I know exactly what wiki-vandalism is Autisexp235 (talk) 14:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC).
Please see my reply in the section below. Favonian (talk) 14:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I am curious as to how to get people to stop vandalizing my info?

User:Wtshymanski has been vandalizing my text that are facts and far more true than his so what do I do that's legal to report him for that may I ask? He vandalized my images, my article so I had to cut and paste its info to my computer to stop him from doing so and he vandalized repeatedly the page "fluorescent lamp" by using inappropriate language interpretation to it and posting false info, persistently deleting valid and polite info, and captions of my very own image and requested for it to be deleted!! So, Favonian, what do I do that's legal and appropriate to report his vandalism? I did it because he has been doing it to me. I have Autism by the way. Please instruct me politely how to treat this vandailism people do to my true and pulite info. Autisexp235 (talk) 14:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

First of all, you have to realize that you're involved in a content dispute. You and Wtshymanski disagree about the contents of the article, but your opponent's actions are not vandalism in Wikipedia's definition of that word. What you and he should do is to discuss things on the the article talk page, Talk:Fluorescent lamp, instead of reverting each other's work. Furthermore, please try not to take this personally, and don't attack your opponent. It never works and may have unfortunate consequences. Favonian (talk) 14:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Replied at User talk:Autisexp235 Andy Dingley (talk) 14:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
For your contributions! Fewq567 (talk) 07:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Afd notification

You previously commented on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dodger, Bonzo and the Rest (Dramarama Episode), so I thought you might be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter (Dramarama Episode) which is a multi-article nomination of articles that are very similar. Thank you for your time. Hasteur (talk) 00:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so very much!

Thanks for fixing the Adelaide article. It would have taken awhile for me to notice that!--Violeta123321 (talk) 15:48, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I love praise ;) but, erm, what did I do to that article? Favonian (talk) 15:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Completely new abortion proposal and mediation

In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted.

To avoid accusations that this posting violates WP:CANVASS, this posting is being made to every non-anon editor who has edited either page since 1 July 2010, irrespective of possible previous participation at the mediation page. HuskyHuskie (talk) 20:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

request for admishonship

hi! im dustbunny321 and i lov wikipedia. i just became a member and havnt really edited many things on wikipedia, but i think that i would make a great administrater, because i love making sure that people have good and trusting information. --Dustbunny321 (talk) 00:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

please consider my request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustbunny321 (talkcontribs) 00:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

bot maufunction?

excuse me Favonian, but i made a contribution to the article "Battle of Berlin" about the Russians stratigicly using Molotov Cocktails to keep the nazis at bay while they regrouped, and it said that this wasnt benafictal and gave me a warning. could u please look into this--Dustbunny321 (talk) 00:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustbunny321 (talkcontribs) 00:23, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Photos Removal by

User Houratear is removing photos from various Articles, Saying they are wrong photos Bentogoa (talk) 15:36, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks like Fastily stepped in. Favonian (talk) 15:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I did not revert some of his removal of Photos, Should they be reverted or Bentogoa (talk) 15:50, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks like they have all been reverted. Considering that the image removal was clearly disruptive, reverting was entirely in order. Favonian (talk) 15:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

its looks someone else reverted Bentogoa (talk) 15:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Private career college

RE: Private career college. Edit War Matter reported to Wikipedia administration for action.

When page goes off protection, edits WILL be reverted and page WILL be restored to its previous in order to give students a well-balanced overview of this type of institution.

I am 72 years old and celebrated my 50th teaching anniversary in the university system this June, so I WOULD have a BIT more knowledge of the topic than this IslandMonkey kid who refuses to respect his elders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:17, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

In that case you will ve engaging in edit warring, and that will likely lead to you being blocked from editing. Please stop harping on your age. The more you repeat it, the less convincing it is. Favonian (talk) 21:22, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


This was good of you ^_^ Nikthestoned 10:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. Both accomplices have now been blocked indefinitely. Favonian (talk) 10:26, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Wow, why do we pay taxes towards education when kids these days have such little clue? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Tell me about it. :( We hand out longer and longer blocks to IP addresses from educational institution. Favonian (talk) 10:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


Quack-quack? noclador (talk) 13:22, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Likely, but not certain. Let's wait and see if they proceed from talk pages to articles. Favonian (talk) 13:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I know that I may be 6 months late but...

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Thank you for indef blocking User:Dantherocker1 last January. I did not know about him until the past few days as he has been harassing me on YouTube. While he did admit that his account is blocked, I won't have to worry about him vandalizing my userpage here in Wikipedia. Again, thank you for taking care of this. NHRHS2010 the student pilot 15:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I remember that particular nuisance well. Sometimes, blocking a vandal gives true satisfaction. Favonian (talk) 15:56, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
You are welcome. And from what I hear, he had a lot of sockpuppets to the point that I lost count of it and there has been multiple Checkuser investigations. Once I blocked him on YouTube for harassing me he logged onto his sockpuppet account on YouTube just to continue harassing me. It would be nice to have Checkuser on YouTube as well since this is not the first sock farm I'm dealing with there. NHRHS2010 the student pilot 16:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

My talk page

Thanks for protecting my talk page... this user has done nothing but push POV and harass me. The problem is they're on a very wide IP range so a rangeblock isn't feasible. XXX antiuser eh? 22:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

And now he's talking about me on his own site, WTF? See [3] and [4], scroll all the way to the bottom... XXX antiuser eh? 05:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Nothing if not dedicated ;) I've semi-protected some of his favorite targets, so we'll see if that at least slows him down a bit. Favonian (talk) 11:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Bent Larsen

Is the material you added to the introduction relevant. Shouldn't it go in the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Gaon (talkcontribs) 11:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

To the best of my recollection (combined with the edit history of the article), all I ever did to that article was add person data, so I'm afraid you "got the wrong guy" ;) Favonian (talk) 11:12, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the semi-protection

I was the one who requested it for Moody's. I guess us Portuguese need to control our temper ;-)

Cheers! TiagoEspinha (talk) 12:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. In view of the circumstances, I can well understand why tempers are getting a bit heated. Protection will hopefully prevent editors from doing the article (and themselves) an injury. Thanks for reporting the issue! Favonian (talk) 12:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


my apologies. Would you mind resetting the school block please. My error. Victuallers (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

No need to apologize. I've already reset it. Favonian (talk) 13:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi. Reviewing the content of this article, I just don't see the db-attack. I was discussing with the CSD Tagger here about it.--v/r - TP 15:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I was in doubt too, but when dealing with such incomprehensible concoctions I prefer to err on the side of BLP caution. Would you like it userfied? Favonian (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Nope. I just felt it wasn't db-attack.--v/r - TP 16:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Sock of sock

Thanks! The right sock has joined the left. Wonder if he'll go for the remaining four permutations. Favonian (talk) 10:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
God help me to keep my big mouth shut! Favonian (talk) 11:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi. You marked Chentry chan as a sockpuppet of Unit routes. Please note that both of these are actually socks of serial puppeteer and vandal Runtshit. I have marked them accordingly, and future similar accounts should be treated in the same way. Thanks. RolandR (talk) 19:00, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, that one :( I'll throttle them as they come along. Favonian (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
How will you know if "they" edit fresh subjects? Kittybrewster 20:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Read the history of this vandal. He vandalises articles which I have recently edited, usually relating to the Middle East, Marxism or the British left. He makes scatological or sexual comments, and attacks me personally. There are many other indicators, and many editors recognise this sick individual at once. RolandR (talk) 20:19, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


That is indeed a user page as tag User:--name-- is there easily availble to let people know it just for info. So, I think we dont need any sorta special warning as content is pretty general and obviously not led to any promotion.

Thanks anyway. You always do great job! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shobhit.Sharma.Wiki (talkcontribs) 21:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I have answered on your talk page. Favonian (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Okay. I understand. Will change the look soon and then remove the warning tag. Will be fine than. Thanks. Shobhit.Sharma.Wiki (talk) 21:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Alright, but you might want to focus on editing real articles. This is, after all, not Facebook. Favonian (talk) 21:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

What to do here ?

[5], Should it be reverted? Bentogoa (talk) 12:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you should, but with an edit summary explaining why. Inquire (non-templated) on the editor's talk page, why they do this. Favonian (talk) 12:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
DONE, Thanks Bentogoa (talk) 12:12, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder.

Thank you for the reminder about the Superhero talk page, and all talk pages, being a record of discussion and not a message board. I didn't realise (I am new), but I know now.

Eden1023 (talk) 20:16, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Parthian Empire


Thanks, but I'm at a loss. What I did was trying to remove references to the game. Since I'm rusty, could you revert to the correct version. Which is the featured article anyway --- the historical Parthian Empire or the computer game? Your confused Io (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

The featured article is about the old empire, and another editor has put it straight. I'm afraid you inadvertently restored the game stuff. The editor who kept yelling "vandalism" at you didn't exactly help. Favonian (talk) 15:31, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


Thank you for this. --bonadea contributions talk 13:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. Hope you enjoyed his unblock request :) Favonian (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thank you for reverting vandalism on my userpage and blocking the vandal who is clearly the sockpuppet of Dantherocker1. Very appreciated. NHRHS2010 the student pilot 16:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Gee thanks! You know, for a second I considered blocking you because of the similarity with this greeting ;) Favonian (talk) 16:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
You are welcome. Dantherocker1 just won't stop harassing me, there better be a way to shut him down one day. NHRHS2010 the student pilot 17:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


...for removing that filth. As odd as this may sound, maybe, I didn't know what the word meant. I feel so much wiser now. Drmies (talk) 19:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, we learn something new every day on Wikipedia. I can usually deal fairly dispassionately with vandals, but this one needs a good caning. Favonian (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

AIV thanks

thanks! Best wishes DBaK (talk) 12:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem! Great moniker by the way ;) Favonian (talk) 12:07, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Ha! Thanks! :) DBaK (talk) 12:09, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you again

for blocking another Dantherocker1 sockpuppet! NHRHS2010 the student pilot 20:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Keep 'em coming :P Favonian (talk) 20:03, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, and if you haven't done so, I would suggest you to put my user and talk pages (and other known Dantherocker1 targets) on your watchlist. NHRHS2010 the student pilot 21:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for this. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 21:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem. The broomsticks were really out of the closet. Favonian (talk) 21:41, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

IP Address

Comcast changed my IP and I now see your message of changes that I never made. Looks like somebody with this IP made the changes. Just FYI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Yep, much can happen in five months. Excellent reason for creating an account! Favonian (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi, σχήμα λόγου ήταν , εσύ δεν ξέρεις ελληνικά εγώ δεν ξέρω αγγλικά , μπερδεύτηκε πολύ το θέμα. Εγω ήθελα μόνο να πω μια γνώμη στο άρθρο της Λευκωσίας κι ένας χρήστης συνεχώς με εμποδίζει και με απειλεί με ΒΑΝ , δεν έχω καταλάβει ακόμα γιατί να μην μπορώ να μιλήσω εκεί ? . tony esopiλέγε 12:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Google translation: figure of speech was, you do not know Greek I do not know English very confused issue. I just like to say in an opinion article in Nicosia and a user continuously prevent and threatens VAN, I do not understand yet because I can not speak here

Sorry for being brutal, but if you cannot even put together a brief message in English, you should not be editing the English-language Wikipedia. Favonian (talk) 12:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree. (To be precise, I would allow editors unable to communicate in English to contribute to talk pages, but only as long as they understand that there may or may not be someone willing and able to do the translation. I agree they should not directly edit WP content.)--SPhilbrickT 14:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Good post

I don't want to drag out the ANI discussion more than necessary, but I wanted to applaud you for the edit here. That sounds exactly like the right action.--SPhilbrickT 14:09, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, though credit should also be given to Cplakidas for this very helpful message. Favonian (talk) 14:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Ok understand tony esopiλέγε 18:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


Hello, is it possible to move this page to this page? Thank you. Mjbmr Talk 17:35, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) They don't seem to meet the English Wikipedia's notability requirements ... (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 18:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I have to agree with Bwilkins. The sources quoted in the article are not sufficient to meet the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO; in particular, one of them is a reference to Persian Wikipedia, and Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source. At the risk of sounding harsh, you should probably give up attempts to get this biography into Wikipedia. According to to this deletion log it has been tried repeatedly, every time with dismal result. Favonian (talk) 18:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
It was my first try to create an article about Mohsen Chavoshi, if he wasn't famous why people are trying to make an article about it, anyways that first reference can prove it, we want to publish our knowledge to humanity not to make a person more famous, I'll try to provide more reference for it, please move it if you see good reason for move, i haven't a fast internet connection, after all you can delete it if you want, Thank you very much. Mjbmr Talk 19:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


I softer-blocked another one, and rv the article to your last version. And then I pruned some more. Keep the faith, Drmies (talk) 16:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Rhetorical question: is it really so difficult to read our username policy? Favonian (talk) 16:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Ahem. Fo shizzle, that's all I have to say. Drmies (talk) 16:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Regarding that Moving of Page

Hey, good job! I understand how to move page correctly. Will be keeping the guidelines in mind next time. So much to learn here.

Thanks! Shobhit Sharma (talk) 16:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


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Awarded to Favonion in recognition of their contributions to world peace. Skol! Drmies (talk) 17:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh my, how one's patriotic heart (and liver) swells at that sight. Cheers! Favonian (talk) 17:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Ergun Caner BLP

Is there any recommendations that you can make for me to be a more responsible contributor? I do not want to be a SPA, I just became one when I saw DSEppling deleting a lot of the Ergun Caner page. What could I have done differently? What should I do differently? I promise only to use sourced information. MosesModel (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

First of all, I've left a "reading list" on your talk page with some of the more important guidelines to keep in mind when you edit Wikipedia, especially articles about controversial subjects. The major lesson to derive from this incident is that you should have taken the issue to the article talk page and/or notice board sooner so as not to appear as a participant in an edit war. Looks like you have learned that bit by now, and you escaped being blocked for 3RR violation. Several editors, including admins, presumably have their eyes on the article now, so when the protection expires, any sign of renewed edit warring will be swiftly dealt with. Oh, and the best way to avoid the appearance of being an SPA is to do some constructive editing on other article. How is that for a banal answer? ;) Favonian (talk) 15:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for cleaning my talk page from that sockpuppet. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

No sweat. Very low-brow that one, even by vandal standards. Favonian (talk) 15:28, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed community ban

See WP:Administrators' noticeboard#Proposed community ban of User:WCGSOldBoy. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 05:47, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I'm all for it. Favonian (talk) 09:11, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi, could you please check out IP edits on Amanda Lindhout. I have had my fair share of controversy with this IP and earlier today another user ones again tried to reason with the IP to no good. I feel I cant do anything because of our "controvery" before so I rather someone else look at it. Maybe a sockpuppet or similar, dont know but the IPs behaviour is strange to say the least.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I have warned the IP about edit warring in general and WP:3RR in particular, but as it appears to be a content dispute rather than vandalism, there is not much more I can do at present. Favonian (talk) 17:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
OK. That is what I wanted really so im pleased that someone who is not involved before took a look at it and gave a strong but fair warning. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
The IP answered you back in his revision history (increased indiocy, leading to harrassment. you were wrong, accept it and move on.) and then reverted your warning and reverted back to an old version. Just so you know how this IP works.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
What a charmer! For the moment, at least, the Lindhout article is semi-protected, but I anticipate the need for cluebat application in the future. Favonian (talk) 10:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
No. You mean expect, not anticipate. Kittybrewster 16:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Not sure anymore. Possibly a sign that I need a Wikibreak. Favonian (talk) 17:27, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For your great administrative work on Wikipedia, I award you this barnstar. Keep it up! Bryce53 | talk 10:11, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Also for "feeding the pipeline" of vandalism prevention. Favonian (talk) 12:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


This was quick! Thanks! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 12:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem. It wasn't exactly a difficult call to make. Favonian (talk) 12:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Dennis Coelho Page

Why did you delete the wiki page on the artist Dennis Coelho? I have been trying to fix it and make sure that it abides by Wikipedia's rules and no one has helped me along with this. I messaged the user who marked it to be removed and he did not get back to me. I am trying to tell the world about a very popular artist from Rhode Island that is overlooked. I have done everything from searching the sources to adding categories and even more. I sat for hours reading the guidelines that I supposedly didn't meet, but when you read the guidelines, they meet the criteria! I am highly disgusted with Wikipedia's so called 'administrators' that don't do anything to help out a newbie who is trying to comply with Wikipedia's guidelines...

Nathancunha (talk) 17:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

"Overlooked" translates as "non-notable", and there was a strong consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis coelho to delete the article. Favonian (talk) 19:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


Hey there, we had a conversation quite a while back about rollback. I didn't consider it necessary at that point, desiring to wait until I truly felt the need. Generally, I revert vandalism using Twinkle with ease, but I would like to check out Huggle. Would you mind extending the rollback permission? I appreciate your assistance. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 15:08, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

You got it. Left a semi-mandatory note on your talk page. Favonian (talk) 18:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Suspected recreation of deleted article

Hi, what do you think of Dean Smith (actor) (other than it's an unrefd BLP)? Is this Daveygp back again? --Redrose64 (talk) 16:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Based on extensive(!) experience with the socks of this chap, I don't think this is one of them. Several of the usual "tells" are missing, but I'll keep an eye on their contributions, just in case. Thanks for keeping your eyes peeled :) Favonian (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys, Lola-razz here. I was the one that created the page. sorry if I have caused havoc with this as its my 1st page, im trying to add a realible source to it. Dean personally requested that i make the page for him so I am trying to make sure I do the right thing so It can stay.

If you are a personal acquaintance of Dean Smith, you should have a look at our conflict of interest guidelines. Favonian (talk) 19:56, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I am not a close friend or have anything to do with Dean himself, i just follow him on twitter and I asked him about something because I couldnt find it on wiki and he said that I could make him a page. (Lola-razz (talk) 20:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC))

message from Lola-razz

Heyah, I added a reference to Dean Smith (actor). Its from is that as realiable enough source ? (Lola-razz (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2011 (UTC))

I would say not, see WP:IMDB. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Useful as IMDb may be, it's not considered a reliable source, basically because of its lack of editorial control. Anyone can add just about anything — rather like Wikipedia. Favonian (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

What if i put the websites of the programs that he was in, sorry for the bother its my 1st page. (Lola-razz (talk) 20:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lola-razz (talkcontribs) 19:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Afraid not. As these are published by the companies making the films, they are not considered independent sources. You should try to locate newspaper articles asserting Smith's notability as defined in WP:NACTOR. Favonian (talk) 20:11, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Can it be an online article from a notable newspaper. Im sorry for the bother that I have caused, but thank you for your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lola-razz (talkcontribs) 20:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks like C.Fred has taken charge. Favonian (talk) 20:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


Sorry about that double post, I was just removing it and got an edit conflict with you. Thanks for cleaning up after us dodos and the ponies. John Slocum (talk) 12:06, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Yet another subculture I fail to appreciate. Favonian (talk) 12:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)