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Reverted[edit]

I am reverting all of your deletions of "clean/unclean vocals" because you have used an invalid rationale. Those guidelines are certainly not applicable, it is useful information, and finally you did not achieve WP:CONSENSUS for widespread changes such as this. Elizium23 (talk) 04:18, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Global account[edit]

Hi Fezmar9! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 13:05, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Single issue[edit]

You removed "A Midwestern State of Emergency" as a single on Silverstein's discography but it has been stated to be a single in quite a few places including by Rise Records. Plus it is available to be bought right now when the rest of the album is. I may be wrong but I think that's a single. Discovering The Waterfront (talk) 18:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

The definition of a single is something that's frequently debated in modern times, especially on Wikipedia. Check out this archived discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 49#What makes a single a single? from September 2014. There was no clear-cut result, but a lot of editors brought a lot of interesting points to the table. I suggested that many publications falsely use the term single, making it hard to really use sources when they will literally describe any song as a single. Other editors chimed in and said a single must be released separately from an album.
There's a huge difference between being able to buy a song separately from an album, and being able to buy a song individually from an album, and that's the key distinction a lot of editors will make. For example, all 12 songs from I Am Alive In Everything I Touch can be purchased individually: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]. But does this mean I Am Alive In Everything I Touch is not a studio album, but rather a compilation of singles? No, this is merely a byproduct of the digital market. What does make a single in the digital market? If it's sold separately from the album, rather than individually. For example [13] here we see the single for Silverstein's "Massachusetts" on Amazon. It has it's own release date, it's own cover art, and instead of saying it's from the album This Is How the Wind Shifts, it says it's from "Massachusetts" — or that is to say it is it's own release. As of right now, I don't see a way to obtain the track "A Midwestern State of Emergency" separately from the album, I only see things like the iTunes pre-order that allow me to by the song individually from the album. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Did you know nominations[edit]

Hi dude! Just passed here to inform you that you can suggest hooks for the three DYK noms I made after your article creations. You can see the nominations transcluded on the respective article talk pages. The articles are Sumac (band), Retox (band) and Old Wounds (album). Regards.--malconfort (talk) 21:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Very cool! Thanks for doing this! And it's good to see you back, I thought you bailed ages ago. Fezmar9 (talk) 03:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Ok, glad you liked it. I'm not so active in Wikipedia because now I use Rate Your Music a lot! That's my account there: Rebel_Robot. I think you should create one too.--malconfort (talk) 21:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
@Malconfort:, My RYM account is KingFool. I've had it for a while, but I don't contribute much. Some of my edits took like 6 months to get approved! Fezmar9 (talk) 21:02, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Added you as a friend there. I think you could be more active there. For people like us that loves music, RYM is eternally better and way more interesting than Wikipedia.--malconfort (talk) 21:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Retox (band)[edit]

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DYK for Retox (band)[edit]

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DYK for Sumac (band)[edit]

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Template:Did you know nominations/Old Wounds (album)[edit]

Fezmar9, the article you created was nominated for DYK by Malconfort. Unfortunately, it is currently too short for DYK: articles need to have a minimum of 1500 prose characters to be eligible, and yours has 1055 prose characters.

Malconfort has not edited on Wikipedia for quite a while, so if you want to pursue this DYK, the article will need to be expanded soon. If you aren't interested, please let us know and we'll close the nomination. Either way, thank you very much for your work on Wikipedia. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:35, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Fezmar9, it's been over a week, and you have been editing elsewhere on Wikipedia, but not on this nomination. The article remains too short, and I'm marking it for closure as an unsuccessful DYK. If you respond before it is closed, which could happen at almost any time, you still may be able to expand the article so it qualifies. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:34, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

First to Last[edit]

You're on the border of edit warring on From First to Last and, you're wrong, at least in part: it is used on several articles I've seen. There is no consensus on what the format should be as editors cannot agree. The format you have elected to side with is against MOS:HEADING (or some other guideline) as it has multiple short sections. The way I did it is used on several articles and is correct per accessibility guidelines, but I'm not going to edit war. Thanks for your input. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 21:12, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

There was one editor pushing the use of colons instead of bullets, but in the only discussion I could find there wasn't a "no consensus" outcome, several editors raised several issues with its use and the OP dropped his argument. If you see this format used on other article, that doesn't make it right to do. For example, several band articles currently misuse the "associated acts" field. But just because a few articles are misusing it does not mean this misuse should be widespread. The same goes for removing bullets and adding pseudo-headings. Just because a few articles erroneously use this format, does not grant you permission to spread this misuse. Please either attempt to gain consensus from the music/band article community or cease adding it to other articles. Cheers. Fezmar9 (talk) 21:18, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I'll agree with semicolons for bold headings and colons, although that is what is required for accessibility.
The problem is that the paragraphs are short and that's against a MoS. So you've got a problem and a different misuse. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 21:50, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
What paragraphs? That's a bizarre and irrelevant thing to mention in a discussion about lists. Can you explain how "short paragraphs" are even remotely related to what we're talking about and link me to any sort of supporting documentation? And actually, what you're adding to these articles are known in HTML as "Definition Lists" and their use hinders web accessibility and doesn't seem appropriate for use in listing band members/instruments/years active in general. Per Wikipedia's own definition of definition lists at HTML element, they are "intended for groups of terms and definitions, metadata topics and values, questions and answers, or any other groups of name–value data." Since Wikipedia's information on DLs is quite minimal — likely because they're generally quite useless as far as HTML tags are concerned — there is plenty of free information online about them from various websites, like this HTML design website that states: "Although definition lists can be styled to look like tabular data, they cannot contain screen reader accessibility features such as 'labels' and 'headers' to tie information together. For this reason, they should not be used to replace complex tabular data." In other words, someone who needs a list of band members to be accessible to them will be hindered by your contributions. They will not be able to navigate sections since there are none, and as someone with a screenreader myself, it just reads the pseudoheading and first line as one word ("currentspencersotelo"). But once again, if you still strongly disagree, please attempt to gain consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians. Cheers. Fezmar9 (talk) 22:12, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
What you call "lists" are sections of text that are in essence paragraphs.
Again, your edits don't have consensus either, but that's the problem. Thanks. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 23:16, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
False on both accounts. Paragraphs are groupings of sentences, and sentences are complete sets of words containing at the very least a subject and a predicate, and end with a punctuation mark. Members sections are not "essentially paragraphs" no matter how you spin it. But even if they were, you still have not provided any policy or guideline that frowns upon "short sections," which appears to be the heart of your misguided argument. Also, I'm not the one editing against the status quo of band members sections, so I'm not the one who needs consensus for maintaining an aspect of Wikipedia that's been present and undisputed for over a decade. I also don't need consensus to label sections as sections or lists things in lists for the same reason I don't need to seek consensus for starting a sentence with the word "The" — it's patently obvious that these aren't controversial moves. This will be my final comment on the matter on my talk page. If you wish to discuss it further, start a new thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians. Cheers. Fezmar9 (talk) 23:34, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I was referencing WP:BODY

"Very short or very long sections and subsections in an article look cluttered and inhibit the flow of the prose."

Since this isn't prose but bullet points and not part of the article body, wait, it is part of the body. I don't want to discuss there because they're not the problem, you are. As for status quo: when you edit war to create the status quo, you can't use that as an argument. You should really, as a registered editor, be trying to clarify MoS and other guidelines instead of relying on the consensus of silence. I'm glad that your final comment is above. Now, let's see if you're honourable and will keep to your word. Bring up the topic at the project. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 18:38, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Sleep Jerusalem 1998[edit]

My entire edit description didn't fit at the article history page so I'm commenting here. You're correct that Southern Lord released a Dopesmoker re-issue in 2012. And yes, TeePee did release the first official version of Dopesmoker in 2003. But the very first release, the 1998 "official bootleg" of Jerusalem with no label information and featuring Arik's austere beige desert artwork with the crucified pot leaf on the back... Greg Anderson released that personally, with the band's blessing. Not the TeePee guy. Cheers. Druff (talk) 22:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

@Druff: It's fine if it's true, but you can avoid confusion in the future with a more detailed edit summary and an accompanying source or two to support you claims. Fezmar9 (talk) 17:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
I hear you, but good luck to anyone who wants to try to obtain a legit verifiable source when it comes to who released a bootleg album.Druff (talk) 22:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
@Druff: Well if that's the case, then the fact shouldn't be on Wikipedia at all. Per Wikipedia's Policy on Verification, "Readers must be able to check that Wikipedia articles are not just made up. This means that all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." Fezmar9 (talk) 22:17, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough. Druff (talk) 19:45, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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sunbather[edit]

sorry for leaving the section like that, i've been hit with work that didn't let me finish it. i'll add it back when the section is finished but there will be repeated parts in the rest of the article until i'm finished overhauling it all. just for future reference, it's why i added that tag at the top of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smeagolman69 (talkcontribs) 07:46, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

For longer-term editing projects, I'd recommend working on sections or a full draft in your sandbox until it's ready to be incorporated into the article. The tag at the top of the page is meant more for rapid updating, not sporadic updating every-so-often. I'm curious, though -- why must there be repeated parts until you're finished? Fezmar9 (talk) 19:29, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, I'd start overhauling the next section (it'll be a section about the writing of the album) quickly after. So it wouldn't redundant for too long. Smeagolman69

Miscredited additional songwriters on ASCAP, BMI and other music publishing sites[edit]

Just so you know that additional songwriters have been possibly miscredited on any music publishing database like:

Anyway, we'll better use to based on album booklet/song liner notes just like Love Me like You Do#Credits and personnel. 123.136.106.111 (talk) 06:22, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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Infobox musical artist[edit]

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I'm not entirely sure how that removing a band where only one member is shared is "a common and understandable misinterpretation of the guidelines". It seems that we have the opportunity to avoid the incorrect association and so we should, but if you want to explain your opinion on the infobox's talk page, I'll be more than happy to engage you there. 208.81.212.224 (talk) 22:45, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

I have opened up a discussion at Talk:'68 (band). Fezmar9 (talk) 23:15, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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Deftones Album Chronology[edit]

Hi, I see you have reverted the changes made to the Deftones chronology such as with this edit on the pages Gore (album), Koi No Yokan, and Live: Volume I - Selections from Adrenaline. If we were to include "all albums and EPs", then we would have to include the albums, Live (Deftones album), Back to School (Mini Maggit) (which has both a single and an EP), and possibly even Music in High Places: Live in Hawaii (as it is considered an album). Would you have a problem with these (and any future EP's someone creates a page for) being added into the chain, or should we continue to exclude these albums which are essentially similar releases to the Live: Volume I - Selections from Adrenaline album?  Adrian[232] 15:30, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

You know, I didn't check to see if the entire Deftones chronology chain was intact when I made my edit. I currently only have the most recent Deftones albums in my watchlist. The last discussion I remember having on the subject (here) suggested that all non-singles should be included in the chain, even if they don't have articles, unless the band as a particularly lengthy discography. I don't think they have a lengthy or complicated discography, so we should add them to chain as I don't see much use in isolating them. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:40, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok it does appear that a consensus was achieved there that all releases, including live albums, should be included. I'll go ahead and add these albums to the chain.  Adrian[232] 15:52, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! :) Fezmar9 (talk) 22:27, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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Deftones post-metal[edit]

well, there ARE as many as the others listed... dannymusiceditor Speak up! 23:08, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

I was more referring to how many there are total in existence, not how many are currently present in the article. But even if you want to talk about what's present in the article, Deftones still shouldn't be categorized as being a post-metal band. I believe to be categorized under a genre, there should be an abundance of sources that make the claim "Deftones is a post-metal band" -- not "Deftones have a song that's post-metal" or "Deftones are kind of post-metal" or "Deftones play with post-metal bands" the sources need to directly and explicitly claim "Deftones IS a post-metal band." The first source[14] claims they've dabbled in post-metal, the second source[15] claims they're a metalgaze band not post-metal and there aren't very many sources that agree these are synonyms, and the third source[16] is vaguely worded but I believe it's actually referring to Isis as "post-metal icons" since, you know, they actually are post-metal icons. So even if you wanted to go by the three sources present, there's not a strong case there.
But directly related sources aside, let's examine what makes a band "post-metal". Below I've set up a table of post-metal characteristics and compared them to both Deftones and Isis. The genre takes a postmodernist approach to metal stereotypes/cliches and tries to push the boundaries of those limits while still remaining inside the field of metal.
Artist Instead of average length songs, post-metal has very long songs Instead of darker skull/crossbone lyrics, post-metal is either 100% instrumental or has deeply philosophical lyrics Instead of typical verse-chorus-verse structure, post-metal either builds up or has no structure Instead of fading to black, post-metal songs usually end in a massive crescendo Instead of speedy intense songs, post-metal is usually slower, downtuned, bass-heavy and inspired by sludge metal Some believe post-metal was born out of noisecore[17]
Deftones average songs, generally 3-4 minutes usually in the darker skull/crossbone realm but with some beauty mixed in verse-chorus-verse structure no crescendos bass-heavy yes, but not slow and nothing they do could be classified as sludge metal shares absolutely nothing in common with noisecore
Isis long songs, usually 8-10 minutes highly conceptual lyrics with theories that all albums are linked as one giant story either no structure or a lot of build crescendos in virtually every song slow, often downtuned and most of their music is very sludgy early releases definitely show noisecore leanings and often toured with noisecore acts
It's my personal belief that music critics and wikipedia editors who strongly believe Deftones ARE a post-metal band merely want to say that the band has a lot of atmosphere, which they do. But there are so many more aspects to postmodern metal that I think any comparison between the two is just flat false, if not poorly supported. Fezmar9 (talk) 03:04, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Great job clarifying that! I feel like I should give you this for spending the time to give me all that. dannymusiceditor Speak up! 14:42, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
The Deftones post-metal debate has been going on for literally years. Simple comments like "you're wrong" or "that's not well-sourced" don't seem to cut it. You have to be thorough in this debate lol. Fezmar9 (talk) 02:31, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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Bro-country[edit]

Given your suggestion at WT:WPMUSIC, do you think you can help me in removing any instance of "bro country" from any song/album/artist infobox? Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 19:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Totally! I think I should have some free time tomorrow. How would you like to divide up the work? Fezmar9 (talk) 00:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
I'll take song/album, you take artist. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 04:09, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Please avoid changing "Trump" to "Drumpf"[edit]

Hi Fezmar9. In one of your recent edits, you changed the word "Trump" to "Drumpf". I assume that this was unintentional and caused by having the Drumpfinator extension enabled. To avoid this kind of mistake in the future, please disable the extension before editing articles that mention Trump. Thank you. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Completely forgot I even had this extension installed still! Sorry! I've removed it. Fezmar9 (talk) 02:35, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Come All You Weary[edit]

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