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Hajduk Kula[edit]

Zdravo drzuze. Burka sta se uradilo Hajduku. Neki krive BG, ali to nema veze sa njima. Jednostavno su prodali lokalni tajkuni klub, pokrali ga kao i opstinu dok narod i dalje cuti. Hajduk nije ugasen, samo ce biit vracen u 3. ligu. Takodje sve mlade selekcije ostaju...A-tim c eigrati u 3.Ligi.....verovatno po modifikovanim imenom OFK Haduk Kula...ostaje isti klub, nije ugasen ako mozes da poravis. Bice to sve zvanicno u petak izgleda. Hvala.--Nado158 (talk) 10:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Pozdrav Nado, pogledacu to, ali ne brini se puno, izlazile su vesti kako se gasi i to pa masovno ljudi to dodaju,a kad bude zvanicna izjava iz kluba onda ce se tacno znati sve. FkpCascais (talk) 12:33, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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Gragjanski Skopje[edit]

Can you please explain why the famous players section should stay. There is no source whatsoever for the first player yet assertions of notability and only a dead link for the second paragraph and no indication whatsoever that there are reliable sources confirming the team was strengthened. I have tagged these sections for a number of weeks and no editor has made any attempt to resolve or dispute any issue. You simply cannot pick and choose inclusion criteria or pick random players for comment. If reliable sources do not exist then an editor can't just make them up. I'm really not trying to start an edit war here but I just don't understand what bit of WP:V you think you are fulfilling by including these sections? Fenix down (talk) 14:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Simonovski is by far the most notable player that club had, that is well known fact in the region. He was the best Macedonian player at the time. But I already started searching for a source for it. About the second dead link, I´ll fix it, I´m not sure why is dead, but certainly the site exists and it is one of the most reliable ones for national teams and clubs players represented at time of their nt caps. FkpCascais (talk) 14:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
If that is the case then please, as has been requested many times in the main notable players discussion, provide reliable sources that indicate it like you did at FK Rad. For the second one as has been discussed at the main conversation the fact they have been capped is not a valid criteria and what I am questioning here is the POV comment that their appearance stregthened the team. Again, that comment in particular requires a reliable source. If these are provided then I have no problem with them remaining. Fenix down (talk) 16:29, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
The Simonovski section is still unreferenced despite your changes, what makes him a particularly notable coach? Also, the main history part of the article says the club folded in 1941, but that the other players mentioned were selected during WWII anf then the club was merged after the war. I thnk this bit is probably better moved into the history section and the potentially confusing wording removed. Whaty do you think? Fenix down (talk) 16:47, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
I am sorry, I am a bit on and off Wiki so I am not able to reply allways promtly. There are 2 facts about that club and those players:
1- When Bulgaria annexed the region of Macedonia during WWII (previously belonged to Yugoslavia, and returned after the war), Bulgaria included the club in their national competition, and the club even got to finish second played in Bulgarian league in one season. Bulgarians also included the best players of Gragjanski in their national team.
2- One on the players which was included was Kiril Simonovski (at time player, not coach) and he got renamed by Bulgarians as "Kiril Simeonov". He was already by then considered the most importnt player (that fact was mentioned in a Macedonian Football Association article on him which is found on his article but is now a deadlink, but I edited it and remember well). After the war, the region was restored to Yugoslavia, the club disbanded, and Simonovski moved to Partizan and became the first ethnic Macedonian to play for the Yugoslav national team. The other players that played for Bulgaria never got to play for Yugoslavia later, Simonovski was the exception.
But, OK, it can be added in the text, no problem with that. I´ll see some copies of the books I have about football from that period from the region and I´ll try to source as much as I can. Regarding the peakock word "strenghtened", I already removed it, and I agree with you. FkpCascais (talk) 18:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Spartak Subotica[edit]

Da li mozes da prebacis Spartak na novu stranicu, posto se klub vise ne zove Spartak Zlatibor Voda(sutnuli su ZV deo, fala bogu, konacno)

Bora83ns (talk) 12:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Ne mogu jer je FK Spartak Subotica vec redirect, to moze samo amdinistrator da uradi, zamolicu na WP:FOOTY. FkpCascais (talk) 18:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Albanian media[edit]

Hi there. I know Albanian isn't one of the several languages that used to be named "serbo-croat", but I still thought I'd ask you for help. In the recent year, more or less every Norwegian footballer of Kosovo-Albanian descent (except for those who are already cap-tied for Norway, like Ardian Gashi and Valon Berisha) has "declared to Albanian media that they want to play for Albania". Examples are in Mërgim Hereqi, Flamur Kastrati and Zymer Bytyqi's articles, but I wonder how reliable this is. Except for Herolind Shala, which has already represented Albania, there has been no mention about this in Norwegian media. Given your experience with football in the Balkans, I was hoping that you could help me to find out how reliable this is, and if you are able to translate - is it the players that wants to represent Albania, or is it Albania that wants to recruit these players? Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 09:27, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mentoz, I´ll take a look at this today. I don´t speak Albanian at all, so I´ll have to rely on Google translation. FkpCascais (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Mërgim Hereqi said that in 2008, and Flamur Kastrati said it recently, this is the translation of one oof the links here, and Zymer Bytyqi said "Bytyqi: I give up on an invitation from Norway to Albania Team A". Those seem to be the most important Albanian sports media. Seems quite possible that those players play on both sides counting with both options, to play for Norway or for Albania, depending on the opportunities. The Albanian natinal team has been including numerous players of Albanian descent born abroad, and they seem to allways follow such players and ask them if they want to play for Albania. Those players probably say "yes" to the Albanian media, but skip mentioning it to the Norwegian one :D FkpCascais (talk) 13:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for the belated reply. Thanks for having a look at this. I guess I'd have to leave the text in the article, even though it hurts to see Norwegians stating they want to play for another nation than Norway. ;) Mentoz86 (talk) 10:04, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hvala od srca[edit]

Hvala na medalji ili sta je vec haha,nastavicu da prosirujem moj gradski klub,tj.Slobodu.Sad cu skoro da zapocnem sezonu 2009-10 i unazad dok su jos bili u srpskoj ligi zapad..Pozdrav za tebe i jos jednom hvala na medalji..

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Albania national football team squad[edit]

gello, I think the best 23 mans squad, would be more better on wikipedia pages, cause current call-ups doesn.t make sense I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talkcontribs) 16:05, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


Hvala za Barn-zvezdu! Sve najbolje, Zastavafan76 (talk) 21:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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Wow. How childish. --DemirBajraktarevic (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


Olá meu caro FKP, AL "por aqui",

mais um favorzinho com as traduções em sérvio, só te leva um minuto (e já é esticar muito!). No Javier Clemente, por favor dás uma olhadela nas referências #12 e #13? É só ver se a primeira tem a tradução correcta, e traduzir a segunda. Apenas e só.

Um muito obrigado de antemão, espero que tudo esteja bem com o meu caro. Abraços! --AL (talk) 02:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Ta tudo bem, espero que contigo também. Vou já ver isso. FkpCascais (talk) 02:38, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Still a problem[edit]

Acting as a proxy for a blocked editor is a bad. You should stop doing that. bobrayner (talk) 13:41, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


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I would like your opinion on this matter. BobRayner made three reverts in last 24 hours on same page I would like to know if this is against the rules and if it is to who can we complain? Taataa (talk) 18:35, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

I like the way Evlekis is pretending that he doesn't now if there is a WP:3RR or not. He's a funny guy! IJA (talk) 22:21, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello again, just wanted to tell you boobrayner is using sock excuse on this article, here is the history

PS Oh and IJA, you can use IP locator to see I am not Evlekis ;) Taataa (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I like the way you pretended not to know about the WP:3RR. You blatantly do know about it. Anyway, whoever's sock you are, you'll get caught eventually. Regards IJA (talk) 21:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
To be honest, I misread WP:33R, thinking you can only make two not three edits within 24 hours. But, hey I am still learning :). Oh, once again I am not a sock, but who cares lol.....and thank you for the kind threats, it makes me feel welcomed to this place. TaaTaa (talk) 09:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Reported . Cognoscerapo (talk) 09:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Reported. Goodbye to your editing. Cognoscerapo (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Wow, you really like to threat people, not just me, but established Users too like FkpCascais. That is not nice, polite or constructive. TaaTaa (talk) 16:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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Removing categories[edit]

Why? You ask., well, here is the answer why[2], [3]. It is because they rightfully belong to Category:Gjakova like Đakovica([4]). The rules are simple, when an edit is done by a sockpuppet, it must be removed even if it is constructive. And as you see, the article title+Cyrillic have been taken out of the Đakovica infobox to make it nice and neutral :) . (talk) 18:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar![edit]

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Gjakova refers to itself as Gjakova, not Đakovica, in English. Serbian is not English. English is English. It's quite simple. bobrayner (talk) 10:27, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
The city speaks and refers to itself? FkpCascais (talk) 17:27, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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Many thanks :) FkpCascais (talk) 04:59, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

for moderating a highly tedious discussion. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 21:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I want also to thank you Praxis Icosahedron for the same reason. I was a bit hard on you at the begining of that discussion, and I appreciate a lot that we focused only on the content itself and that way we were able to conclude the discussion. I have to admit that the reason of the initial reaction of mine were your edit-summaries. I was left with the impression that you considered that the events from the Bosnian War should have influence over the edits, and I disagreed with that. I don´t want to leave the impression of being unfair, or that I ignore the suffering of the victims of Serb forces during the war. However, it´s hard to quantify the suffering. What I mean is that in my view, we all suffered (and still suffer), regardless of the ethnicity. There was tremendous manipulation and propaganda from all sides, and the people from all sides became victims. Beside a bunch of people that profited from the war (and there are few in all suides), I think that everyone else in bigger or lesser extent suffered greatly. For instance, part of my family are Serbs from Sarajevo. They didn´t participated in the war and they didn´t even supported no one. They were real Yugoslavs in spiryth. However they suffered greatly in a Bosnian dominated part of Sarajevo where they lived for generations and used to have quite a comfortable life. Because they were Serbs, they had terrible experiences and witnessed horrible events. After much pressure, their homes were occupied and still today they didn´t recovered all their property, some of which is inhabited by some former BiH Army commander... By telling you this oppenly here I really don´t pretend anything else but simple peace and, if possible, progress. I condemn all bad things done by all sides, and I don´t pretend at all to make comparisons neither to quantify something which is impossible to quantify, lifes and the suffering. I just mean that one can´t do things by charging some debt because of past events. One could eventually say that what that part of my family suffered/suffers is fair because other Serbs in other places did worste to Bosnian families. Neither I should now act in a way of revenge for what that part of my family suffered. That war was so dirty. I know this may look that my intention is to equalize all and that way spare the ones you consider guilties, but beleave me, it is not my pretention. But I do find that nationalists and extremists from all sides were kind of almost equally bad. And the rest, well, besides few, the rest of ordinary people were just manipulated sheeps listening to their ethnic group propaganda which existed from all sides. At least we, the already established editors more familiarised with the wiki principles, can try to leave nationalism aside, and when confronted with it, we can try at least not to add fuel to it.
Now, returning to the subject itself, it was great to see that with good will consensus can be archived. I think everyone at any point can challenge it and open the discussion again, but at least now we have a centralised place with a discussion to point out whenever some user or IP bothers with this. Not sure if you celebrate Christmass tonigh, if you do I wish you marry Christmass, and anyway I send you kind regards, FkpCascais (talk) 22:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
What you say is completely true. A Serb victim is no less important or a tragedy than a non-Serb one simply because there were more of the latter. Qualitative and quantitative differences are only subject to judicial and political contexts whereas human suffering is always human suffering. My initial objection was never meant to be a collective incrimination of Serbs, but were specifically directed towards that specific user who made the edits. These edits in my opinion were part of dishonest intentions. The same kind of intentions I would object to if a Bosniak or Croat advanced them. The essential feature about Bosnia and Herzegovina is its sharing by three native peoples; Bosnia and Herzegovina was and is Bosniak, Serb and Croat. It can never be the state of one nation, but only the collective and equal home of all three communities which must respect their co-existence and not try to subdue and dominate each other. Whether reading an article about Croat-dominated Tomislavgrad, Bosniak-dominated Zenica or Serb-dominated Trebinje, one must not receive the impression of those towns as being either Serb, Bosniak or Croat, but equally much Serb, Bosniak and Croat. Such is the constitution, and any attempt to establish any kind of exclusive nation state in Bosnia and Herzegovina will only lead down a path of destruction and death, as it already did. All sides suffered and no one needed this war, it was the brain child of sick minds that forged hatred and fears among people. However, with regard to my edits, I do not consider myself as having responded with nationalism, but rather to nationalism. I deeply apologize if my actions suggest else. Thank you so much and I wish you a merry Christmas as well (though you guys celebrate it in January if I am not mistaken)! P.S. If anyone should claim the discussion re-opened they better have novel perspectives to add; spinning the same old arguments would be pointless. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 05:05, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I see perfectly what you mean and I agree with your concerns about the impression one can give by editing in a certain way. That is also what lead me to incentivate a centralized discussion where we could all express our concerns and hear each other. We found a, at least temporary but hopefully permanent, solution without much pain. It would be great to see eventual future challenges being solved as this one was. Poke me at any time :) FkpCascais (talk) 07:48, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

Makedonski kup[edit]

Jel možeš da mi nađeš rezultate Makedonskog kupa u sezonama od 93 do 97. Jolicnikola (talk) 19:26, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Hm, na rsssf nema... Pogledaću večeras sve što imam da vidim da nema negde. FkpCascais (talk) 21:49, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Nisam nigde našao. :( FkpCascais (talk) 04:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Makedonski igrači koji nemaju stranicu na vikipediji[edit]

Jel možeš da napraviš članke makedonskih igrača koji nemaju stranicu a da imaju uslova za to. Unapred zahvalan. Jolicnikola (talk) 17:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


Ti poseti pronađi bazu igrača iz Makedonije i postavi ih na vikipediju. Jolicnikola (talk) 21:58, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Baš zbog toga jer sam hteo da vidim koji igrači fale sam i napravio bio pre jedno godinu dana ovu listu: List of Macedonia international footballers i upotrebio EU-Football kao jedan od izvora. Ali Nikola, do negde oko 3-4 januara neću baš imati mnogo slobodnog vremena :/ FkpCascais (talk) 22:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Biću strpljiv, imam i drugih stvari. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Pa nisam mislio listu nego igrače. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:54, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Nikola, ja stvarno neću uskoro imati vremena. Em što ove nedelje zbog nove godine i ostalog nemam stvarno mnogo slobodnog vremena da editujem, em što sam potpuno bačen na drugi deo, na editovanje našeg fudbala, igrača i trenera od pre 1945. Isto imam na stand-by da napravim članke poput "Velika četvorka", da proširim članke "Football in Serbia, Yugoslavia, i druge" u kojima fali mnogo stvari iz istorije. Imam i nekoliko sezona druge lige FR Yugoslavia još ne napravljene koje me čekaju već godinu dana da ih uradim (od 1994 do 1999). Imam i gomilu drugih članaka koji me čekaju poput "X Football Subassociation" (napravio sam od Belgrade, Skopje, Kragujevac, Novi Sad, Niš i Veliki Bečkerek, a fale Sarajevo, Cetinje, Zagreb, Ljubljana...), imam Belgrade Subassociation sezone da napravim (napravio sam neke kao 1939–40 Serbian League ali fale sve od 1923 do 1939 kao i 1943-44)...
Od makedonskih igrača sam uradio već dosta onih koji su falili (možeš na mojoj strani da vidiš koje sam napravio). Znam da fali još nekliko njih. Napravio sam bazu za tebe da im praviš članke, evo ovde: User:FkpCascais/Sandbox41 . Klikni na "edit" i copy/paste tamo šta imam, i onda samo popunjavaj polja. Svaki igrač koji ima barem 1 reprezentativni nastup može da ima člnak, kao i da nema reprezentativni nastup ali da barem ima 1 nastup u jednoj profesionalnoj ligi sa ove liste: WP:FPL. Na ovoj strani User:FkpCascais/Sandbox17 imaš sve izvore koje koristim. Za makedonske igrače, ako su reprezentativci najbolje za reprezentativne nastupe, za klubove i nastupe u ligi do 2006-07, za nastupe iz lige iz skorašnjih sezona najbolji, za reprezentacije U-21, U-19, U-17 najbolji, i pogledaj da li ima na nešto o tom igraču. FkpCascais (talk) 18:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Hvala. Jolicnikola (talk) 18:15, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hajdukovi i makedonski igrači[edit]

Eto mene opet, a sad jedno pitanje možeš li da napraviš stranice igrača splitskog Hajduka i makedonske fudbalere (izvini što te opet o tome pitam), a da nemaju stranicu, ako imaš vremena. Jolicnikola (talk) 23:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Ali Nikola, samo jedno pitanje, zasto hoces ja da ih napravim? Video sam neke igrace kojima si napravio stranu, odlicno si ih uradio. FkpCascais (talk) 00:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Pa imam druga posla oko pravljenja stranica o sezonama Hajduka, pa sam ti hteo u tome prepustiti. U međuvremenu sam napravio članak o Zlatomiru Obradovu. Jolicnikola (talk) 01:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Nemoj nista da mi prepustas, jer ja ne znam sta cu pre. Jos nisam nista uradio ni od onih hitnih stvari sto sam ti bio nabrajao da imam da uradim. Ja sam predhodnih godina mnogo vise editovao, ali sad ove zadnje godine nemam vise toliko vremena. Vecinom nocu kad ne mogu da zaspim (kao veceras) pregledam moj watchlist, malo editujem i to vecinom neke sitne stvari, ili ucestvujem u ovoj ili onoj debati. Uvrh glave napravim ponekad neku novu stranu nekom starom treneru, igracu ili predratnom klubu, ali otprilike 2-3 strane mesecno. Sadasnje igrace skoro uopste ne editujem. Sad vec zadnjih jedno mesec dana zvrndam po online knjigama i arhivima starih novina da bi popunio nesto sto nema nigde na internatu, a to je ovo: User:FkpCascais/Sandbox39. Ne vredi da mi trazis da pravim tebi strane, jer to je kao kad bih ja tebi trazio da mi napravis red-linkove sa te liste :/ ... Radi polako, nema zurbe, ja radim stvari godinama, nema problema. Sve sto mozes sam da uradis, uradi (tako i ja radim), a tu sam da ti pomognem sta god treba sto ne mozes sam (informacije da ti nabavim, i to). FkpCascais (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)


Saying "bla bla bla" when you're trying to make a point makes it difficult for the person you're arguing with to take your argument seriously. FYI - and you've done that 3 times with me --DemirBajraktarevic (talk) 12:32, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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Fudbalsko ludilo[edit]

Bogami, baš si se zdao...

Probaj na forumu fk vojvodina, pod delom downloads da vidis. Ima nesto knjiga vezanih za istoriju FK Vojvodine koje bi ti mogle biti od koristi.

Samo napred, voleo bih da vidim krajnji rezultat :)

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2013 census[edit]

Can you take a look at [5] - lots of number changes mentioning a 2013 census but no source. Seems a bit early for the results of a census last year, but maybe there is such a source. Dougweller (talk) 10:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Last time I saw a discussion about this, the results were not released yet, but I honestly don´t know if they are available now or not. I´ll drop him a message at his talk page asking him if he can provide a source with the results. FkpCascais (talk) 10:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
You already dropped him a message :) I wrote him in Serbo-Croatian as well in case he is not fluent in English. I´ll try to see in the meantime if the results were released. FkpCascais (talk) 10:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Here it is: preeliminary results. They correspond to the ones the user has been adding. I´m not sure how we deal here on wiki regarding preeliminary results. FkpCascais (talk) 10:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't either but perhaps you could ask the editor to provide that link at least? Then hopefully someone will update it. Right now it almost looks like the number vandalism that is far too frequent. Thanks a lot for your response. Dougweller (talk) 10:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
The user has been inactive for some 5-6 hours by now, and we both dropped him a message asking him for a source. However, it does seem that he has been adding the numbers found on the official preeliminary results, so it doesn´t seem to be vandalism. At least the numbers I checked he added do correspond to the ones found there. Also, I was looking more carefully to the issue, and it does seem that those results are definite regarding the numbers, the thing that was still not released is the ethnic composition, which will be released later in July this year. So it seems quite safe for now to add those numbers from this table. The best I can do is to check them one-by-one and add the source next it? I´ll do that today. FkpCascais (talk) 11:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Kup SR Jugoslavije[edit]

Jel možeš da mi napraviš stranice o sezonama Kupa SR Jugoslavije? Ja sam radio sezone Kupa Srbije i Crne Gore pa da mi dovršiš taj posao okupiran sam drugim stvarima na wikipediji (Hajdukove sezone, igrači itd.). Ja govorim o fudbalu da ne bi ti bilo zabune. Jolicnikola (talk) 20:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Imaš ti godišnjaka na pa tamo možes da zakopaš šta ti nađeš i šta misliš da treba prepišeš u wikipediju (od njih napraviti stranice, od njih proširivati i itd.). Jolicnikola (talk) 01:27, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Puno hvala Nikola za link, vidim da ima tamo godisnjake nekih sezona koje nisam nikad video. Bas ti hvala! FkpCascais (talk) 02:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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Kosovo place names[edit]

Hi. A while ago I set out a proposal for Kosovo place names at Talk:Srbica. You said that you supported such a solution and commented that you had an "agreement" with Albanian editors "regarding that issue about birthplaces for football related artcles". That agreement seems to have been scrapped with User:IJA changing the names of birthplaces of people born before 2008 into Albanian names instead of the then-official and historically accurate ones. I suggest you have a look at this. 23 editor (talk) 19:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

There hasn't been any name changes, both names are acceptable and both have been used historically in the English language. Nothing exists about using the Serbian name pre-2008. You have just invented that. This hasn't been agreed to. IJA (talk) 19:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Please try inserting St. Petersburg in an article concerning Leningrad in 1955 and see what happens. It won't work. Your little pseudohistorical renaming spree will stop and I will take this to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. 23 editor (talk) 19:26, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
With St Petersburg, there was an official name change during Soviet times. There hasn't been a name change with Gjakova/ Đakovica. Both are used and both have historically been used in Yugoslavia. Please feel free to take it to a dispute resolution where you will be shot down in flames with your myth about the historical name. Not to mention your comparison to cities which have had an official name change. IJA (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Really? There wasn't an official name change after 1912? Prove it. 23 editor (talk) 19:47, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
It is impossible to prove a negative as it didn't happen. IJA (talk) 19:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
How is it proving a negative? You're the one who brought it up. 23 editor (talk) 19:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
One cannot prove something didn't happen because the fact it didn't happen means there is no evidence. Read Russell's teapot, he is better at explaining 'proving a negative'. IJA (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Really, you can't prove something that (allegedly) didn't happen. Bobrayner certainly seems to think so . Of course fallacies in logic can be manipulated when they suit the other side, isn't that right? 23 editor (talk) 20:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Please don't go off topic. IJA (talk) 22:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn´t much active this weekend... For the Yugoslav period, certainly until at least 1999, I do support the use of Serbo-Croatian names. The agreement I had was about it, and also about club names, for instance to use FK Priština until 1999 and FC Prishtina only after. FkpCascais (talk) 13:17, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

And on it continues. 23 editor (talk) 23:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Ivo Pavelić[edit]

Hi, could I trouble you for a full citation for the information that you added to Ivo Pavelić's article? The current format does not provide enough information for me to produce a proper citation that could be used to verify the material (for example, there's no title or author information that I can use to identify the book on Worldcat). Thanks. Canadian Paul 22:38, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, I see, no problem. The book title is "Beogradski sokolovi" from 2003, the author is Petar M. Prokić, the page is 36, and the full quotation is (its the fourth paragraph), translated from Serbian:
Trouth be said, before him there were other players that played for the (Yugoslav) national team and were Soko players, Ivan Pavelić debuted (for the national team) just a few days after leaving to Zagreb´s Concordia; and Milutin Ivković and Stojan Popović (played for national team) before they came to Soko.
I beleave here you can find all pages of the book (is it opening to you?). FkpCascais (talk) 01:17, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Bulgarian barnstar[edit]

Thank you, much appreciated. And you reminded me to put the stats back in the article, from which they'd been removed. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:10, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Slovački klubovi u Vojvodini[edit]

Ja sam napravio članak o Tatri iz Kisača i planiram da napravim još nekoliko o klubovima iz mesta u kojima su većinom Slovaci. Pa sam te zamolio da ako imaš malo vremena (znam ja da ustvari nemaš vremena) da mi pomogneš u pravljenju člankova tako da dopuniš podacima iz istorije klubova. Ako ja nemam vremena ili sam okupiran obavezama oko vikipedije i drugih obavezama a i ti imaš vremena da napraviš poneki članak o tim klubovima iz tih mesta. Unapred zahvalan. Jolicnikola (talk) 02:54, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Problem tih klubova moze da bude "notability". Recimo stalno brisu cak i vece klubove kao FK Šumadija Aranđelovac ili FK Vujić Voda Valjevo jer kao neprolaze "notabilty". Nisam tacno siguran oko tog "notability". Mislim da sem profesionalnih liga, moraju da imaju barem jedan nastup u 16tini finala kupa ili tako nesto... A moram da ti priznam da bas nista o tim klubovima ne znam. Sto se slovaka iz Vojvodine tice sve sto sam napravio je clanak o Ján Podhradský. Ne znam je li mogu puno da pomognem a ne znam ni da li ti klubovi prolaze "notability" da im ne bi izbrisali clanak u slucaju da im napravimo. FkpCascais (talk) 03:55, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Ja ću ako zaprete brisanjem te članke ću prebaciti pod prefiksom User:Jolicnikola/. Jolicnikola (talk) 04:00, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
A ima i nekoliko usera iz tog kraja (npr. IvanKlinko i Klačko) pa mogli bi mi oni da mi pomognu. Jolicnikola (talk) 04:08, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Bolje njih pitaj jer ja moram da ti priznam da bas nista o tim klubovima ne znam, cak nisam ni cuo za njih. Jedino sto me interesuje vezano za to je da nisu mozda u tim klubovima ponikli ili igrali neki slovacki reprezentativci, kao na primer Podhradsky. Ako nadjes nekog javi mi. FkpCascais (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Moja greška nemaju talk stranice pa ne mogu, ja odustajem od tvoje pomoći. Ali ako pronađem neke stranice sa istorijom klubova i neke usere ja ću ti se javiti. Izvini što sam te ja napunio tim postovima. Jolicnikola (talk) 04:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Nema problema, pozdrav Nikola! FkpCascais (talk) 05:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Slovački klubovi u Vojvodini 2[edit]

E ćao, evo me pišem, izvini što ti remetim mir i pišem u prazno ako nisi tu (nemaš vremena, znam da su Uskršnji praznici). Nego ja opet pišem o tim klubovima gde je slovačka većina. A da te ja pitam jel možeš da gugluješ onu istoriju tih klubova, igrače (znam da imaš Pohradskog) i igrališta na kojima igraju. Unapred hvala. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:16, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Ispravka: mislio sam da napišem o klubovima iz mesta gde je slovačka veličina, izvinjavam se ja zbog toga, greška u pisanju. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Evo vodi cu se po ovom clanku Slovaks in Vojvodina i mesta koja su tu spomenuta, pa cu videti sta mogu da nadjem. FkpCascais (talk) 02:05, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Nasao sam grb SŠK Petrovec, vidi JUGOSLAWIEN&cat2=WOJWODINA&cat3=BACKI PETROVAC - Slovacki Sportski Klub&show ovde . FkpCascais (talk) 03:21, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

WWII infobox[edit]

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Thanks. FkpCascais (talk) 04:01, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, i would like to have your opinion about a discussion which i started here, thank.Kingroyos (talk) 23:10, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


Da li bi mi mogao pomoći da prijavis ip korisnika koji vandalizuje clanke. Ima ga na clanku o Meši Selimoviću gde uporno negira izvore i pise kako je Selimovic bosanski pisac, takodje i stari problemi sa ćirilicom gde na mesta iz Republike Srpske :Novi Grad, Bileću i Bilećko jezero stavlja nekakvu bosansku ćirilicu a znamo da se u Republici Srpskoj govori srpski jezik i srpska cirilica. To je korisnik DemirBajraktarevic kome je zbog vandalizovanja već blokiran nalog i vec nekoliko puta je sa ip adresom takodje blokiran. Ja sam sad vratio kako treba ali će on verovatno doći i poništiti moje izmene. Ako ga možeš prijaviti bio bih ti zahvalan. pozdrav-- (talk) 14:33, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


Hoceli to jarane ;)?--Nado158 (talk) 15:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Dogovor na WP:Bosnia je postignut da stoji [ [Serbian Cyrillic alphabet|Cyrillic] ]: posledaj na talk page od njihovog WikiProject. ... Nemam puno slobodnog vremena ovih dana, malo editujem. FkpCascais (talk) 21:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Hey, no problem, I also have not so much time. Ja nisam onaj lik gore, ja sam pitao samo ovako, sta radis, kako si itd. Thats all. So, do you like the article of FK Jagodina? I improved it.--Nado158 (talk) 11:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
see this [[6]]
?--Nado158 (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Janko Simović[edit]

Yes, it needs sourcing directly please - and as soon as possible - per WP:V and WP:BLP. GiantSnowman 18:52, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, I know they do, and I know why. Also, I didn´t noteced his soccerway page was missing, which indicates his cup title of this season. FkpCascais (talk) 19:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
That's great, thanks! GiantSnowman 19:46, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Cukaricki Belgrade[edit]

I think this is the better Name for englisch Wikipedia, as well as at Red Star Belgrade. I think Rad Belgrade, Cukaricki Belgrade, Vozdovac Belgrade, Partizan Belgrade, OFK Belgrade, Radnicki Kragujevac, Obilic Belgrade (it also refer to English-speaking people, see Google) ect. It is for the English WP the correct lemma, better designation, also looks better, instead of FK FK FK FK FK FK. For example, we have Borussia Dortmund, but after the treatmant similar to the clubs who i mentioned, its must written, BvB Dortmund, but is terrible rigth? I think also. So what you think bro? This FK is not good belive me. Better Partizan Belgrade (Footballclub), Partizan Belgrade (Basketballclub), only at FK Jagodina and FK Novi Pazar its ok, because they dont have a name infront of the cityname.

What is better?

1. Partizan Belgrade
2. Spartak Subotica
3. Vojvodina Novi Sad
4. Sloboda Uzice
5. Cukaricki Belgrade


1. FK Partizan
2. FK Spartak Subotica
3. FK Vojvodina Novi Sad
4. FK Sloboda Uzice
5. FK Cukaricki

I think the first example for the forgein player or readers if you understand ;)?. The company Facebook delate also the first name "The Facebook", you know why ;)?Nado158 (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

It is not a good move because, for instance, Vojvodina has many clubs in many different sports, so, its better to have the official name as article title. I know what you wanted, even I said that long time ago regarding "Partizan Belgrade" and I used it in a piped way (Partizan Belgrade) in may articles and player infoboxes, but moving the article title is a major issue and needs discussion. Red Star Belgrade is named that way because of the "Red Star" part of the name: translated from the original Crvena zvezda and clearly used much more than CZ in English language sources. FkpCascais (talk) 02:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I do not fully share your opinion. Yes, Vojvodina has many clubs in many different sports, like many other clubs in Serbia also, also Cukaricki, but we can write Vojvodina Novi Sad (Footballclub), Vojvodina Novi Sad (Basketballclub) ect. In Austria, Switzerland ect. nobody say FK Partizan, FK Cukaricki, FK FK FK ect, they say, Partizan Belgrade, Cukaricki Belgrade, Sporting Lissabon, Real Madrid (not Real Madrid CF), Roter Stern Belgrad ect, and they clearly used much more this versions. This FK, VK, HK, BK, RK ect. interfere totaly. We can explain this in the introduction. And also in England clearly used much more Red Star Belgrade, Partizan Belgrade, Cukaricki Belgrade, Radnicki Kragujevac ect than FK Radnicki 1923. Ovo je lose, jel unistavamo imena sa FK, BK itd. i takodje sa ubacivanjem godinsa osnivanja u imena, veruj mi. Mi smo navikli na ta imena pa nam svuce ok ili dobro, ali kad neko cuje prvi put FK Radnicki 1923, brate nezvuci ni malo dobro. Naravno posle nekog vremena svako ime zvuci ok ili dobro, tako je bilo i kod dosta Ruskih klubova. Secam se kad ni jedan svabo nije znao da izgovori Ruska imen itd, sada ga bolje izgovaraju nego Rusi sami i zvuci dobro. Naravno sve je to navika, ali sta fali Rad Belgrade, Hajduk Kula, Partizan Belgrade, Radnicki Kragujevac, Sloboda Uzice, Spartak Subotica, Radnicki Nis itd....sto samo mi unistavamo svoja imena?...FK, VK, RK itd. To se moze sve lepo objasniti u tekstu. To je i marketinski bolje, mnogo bolje. Nekazem ja da prodajemo nasa imena za tudji jezik, sigunrno ne, ali ovde mi imamo korist, samo zato, a i nemenjamo imena. Isto vazi za Sloboda Uzice, ja nisam za to da pise oLiberty Uzice, ni u zivotu, ali samo Sloboda Uzice (football) ili (footballclub), znaci bez FK. Linking we can do of course. Sto se tice beogradskih klubova, u inostranstvu dodaju svim klubovima i ime grada, cak ako ga i nema.--Nado158 (talk) 09:52, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Ma razumem te Nado, i nije da ja uopste forsiram "nasa" imena, nego ne verujem da ce ovo proci na WP:FOOTY. Prvo zato sto vecina (ako ne svi) klubovi imaju druge sportove (RK, OK, itd.), i drugo zato sto na wiki ako klub nema jasan commonname (kao primer Zvezde je Red Star Belgrade) onda kao naslov koristi zvanicno ime kluba. Vidi recimo Category:Football clubs in Portugal i od drugih drzava... Vidis recimo Sporting Clube de Portugal? To je SPorting Lisbon. Ali naslov je ipak zvanican. Category:Association football clubs by country tu su sve zemlje, znas verovatno. To sto ti zelis sam ja fakticki uradio na List of foreign footballers in top leagues of former Yugoslavia za klube cele bivse Juge i napravio redirect za te strane. Mozemo da koristimo takva imena kakva hoces na tabelama lige da se vidi grad, itd. Ali kao naslov nece proci. I najvise se ti gradovi koriste kad ima klubova sa istim imenon iz vise gradova, reciimo Mladost Apatin, Lucani, itd. FkpCascais (talk) 13:51, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

OK :/, razumem. E, malo sam popravio stranu Jagodine i Cukarickog, neznam jel si video. Auuu sta urade sa CZ, brate mili, koji mi potencijal imamo a naprave od nas najgore. Unistili Vosu, Partizan propada uskoro, niko u zatvoru, Tole Terzic i dalje tu, strasno. Bicemo mi najgori na Balkanu, blizu smo. Malo sam i sredio stranu na WP o Toletu ;). Pozz.--Nado158 (talk) 17:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Voleo bi uzivo da pricam, sa tobom o fudbalu.--Nado158 (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
p...--Nado158 (talk) 16:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

FK Partizan Kosovska Mitrovica[edit]

Can you please help, the other users understand nooothingggg and try to put they POV there.--Nado158 (talk) 14:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I´ll try but I wan´t have much time today to be here... Just be cool. There needs to be found a solution for all articles: FK Trepča and KF Trepça where all positions will be represented. FkpCascais (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Kasno i gotovo je. Ovde vlada takva diskriminizacija protiv sve sto je Srpsko to je uzas. Jednosatavno nemam i nisam imao vise zivaca, toliko lazi i toliko patimo pod diskriminizacijom na Wikipeidji, to je strasno. See, becaue i improved the FK Trepca side they want to bann me for 1 year, but the other users can do what they want with Serbian articles and history. Pazi, ima samo jedna FK Trepca, i to je nasa iz 1932. Nemogu on da se osnivaju svoj club 1999 i da ukradu i stadion, i prostorij i pehare i jos reci da su oni prava Trepca i ukrasit istoriju. No, nemoze tako, nit je to priznala FIFA nit oni to mogum jel to nije priznato i nikakvu formalsnot nije sve to proslo i to je one side decision. Koliko klubova su tako nestali, stadioni dobili nova imena i grbovi promenili na KiM? Od Crvene Zvezde Gn. do FK Kosovo Polje itd. A de je kosarka i rukomet itd? Sto popravim stranu FK Trepce i objansjavam da to nije FK Partizan Kosovska Mitrovica, da je taj klub nestao itd, zato sam dobijo ....Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Nado158...--Nado158 (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

A Funny[edit]

Just wanted to let you know, this comment amused me greatly:

"most readers of this article here on simply want to read about what Tesla was notable for, a scientist, and not about Tesla the Great Serb, or Tesla Croatia's homeland hero. "

Cheers, FkpCascais!--Atlantictire (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Eheh thank you Atlantictire but despite sounding funny, I think it is trouth. Best regards :) FkpCascais (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
The saddest thing is that the obsession with his ethnicity has caused everyone to miss the anti-Tesla editing that caused the article to read as if Tesla didn't deserve credit for inventing the first practical AC induction motor (you know, the one that changed the world).--Atlantictire (talk) 16:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


...for resolving the flag issue. Some users just like to delete others work and then justify it by some dubious interpretation of guidelines. Thanks for pointing out how to contradict these users. They are detrimental to wikipedia. Have a great day! Stephreef (talk) 12:36, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Stephreef. Ohconfucius is a good editor that makes a lot of very good mantainance work. However I agree he has been too strict with the interpretation of the use of flags, which in turn, is a bit vague and confusing. I defend the flags for teams in the squad templates because as a sports enthusiast I know how much they are helpfull for immediatelly recognising the players that play in the best leagues. Heva a great day too, best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 13:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Uvek omašim[edit]

Uvek omašim kad su u pitanju ovi strani igrači, izgleda da mi je smanjena moć percepcije kad je to u pitanju.:) Zato si tu da ispraviš, jedino što mi je glupo što ti pravim dupli posao, ali sam fokusiran na to da sredim postave za klubove JSL(već sređeno) i PLS(još uvek u fazi sređivanja i piskaram za one igrače koji nemaju stranu, a imaju nastup u profesionalnoj ligi). Još kada bismo mogli da sredimo malo strane o klubovima, bilo bi dobro, ali otom-potom. Ja imam volju da sredim ovo što sam započeo, ali imam sve manje vremena zbog pokušaja pripreme za faks.:) Mada je, plašim se, badava ovo što mi na neki način utičemo na popularizaciju ovog domaćeg fudbala, kad rukovodeći slepci rade malo toga korisnog, uz dužno poštovanje prema izuzecima, naravno. U svakom slučaju, hvala na podršci i pomoći! Lotom (talk) 19:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Ahahaha ma apsolutno nista ne brini :) nije to nikakav problem. To kod tih stranih imena nekad ih i oni imaju po 2-3 imena i prezimena... Kod ovog mi je bilo laske jer je Andul Rashid bas tipicno ime, pa zato, inace i meni se desava da promasim. Primetio sam vec kako radis odlican posao. A ovi rukovodeci slepci ne samo da ne pomazu, nego jos odmazu. Ja sam dosta zauzet ovih zadnjih nedelja pa zato nisam toliko prisutan, ali sam miran kad znam da ti i par ostalih nasih editora vodi brigu o nasim clancima. Veliki veliki pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 18:33, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Važi, a što se Rašida tiče, kad debituje u JSL, trebalo bi da mu napišemo biografiju, znam da ti uglavnom iskopaš podatke i informacije, ja mogu da napišem ponešto, jer sam ga gledao uživo i zaista je veoma perspektivan igrač. Od Sloge je verovatno dobio čiste papire, jer Sloga više nema finansijera, pošto je Milašinović napustio klub, tako da će sada igrati uglavnom igrači iz KV i okoline. Za igrača koji je '94, sasvim je solidan, tehnika mu nije loša, mada je, čini mi se, malo slabiji u realizaciji. U Slogi je igrao po levoj strani, krilo, mada je ponekad u toku utakmice bio vraćan na beka. Visok je, brz i mislim da izrasta u prilično dobrog igrača. Pozdrav! Lotom (talk) 21:15, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Sezone Druge Lige SR Jugoslavije[edit]

Nedavno si obecao napraviti sve sezone Druge lige SR Jugoslavije, a napravio si samo prve dve. Hoces li ih napraviti ili ako ne mozes da napises razloge zasto ne mozes? Jolicnikola (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Ako su ti hitne slobodno ih napravi. Jedini razlog sto ih nisam napravio je taj sto nemam bas vremena, ali ovih dana cu ih napraviti.
Jolicnikola jesi primetio onog dosadnog lika iz Australije sto se sa vremena na vreme pojavljuje pod raznim imenima i vandalizuje clanke o makedonskom fudbalu? FkpCascais (talk) 13:28, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Mention federal republic[edit]

I'm acting upon loooong-established consensus compromise for all Croatian and ex-Yugoslav biographies, not just football ones - it's the only one that has anything of a chance to deter these common episodes of people fiddling it with because they want to mention not just Austria-Hungary or Yugoslavia, but also Croatia. Besides, the republics were in fact countries even if they weren't states at the time, so even on that semantic front, there's no reason to omit them. The football biographies are generally overrepresented in the sample of all biographies because football is popular, but that's hardly a real reason for them to deviate from the general standard. Note the limits of WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Indeed, it would be especially weird to enforce such shortening in the case of recent footballer biographies, where the birthplace record is egregiously inconsequential to most of them - Ivan Strinić for example was four years old when Yugoslavia broke up. His relation to Yugoslavia is a curiously detailed factoid at best, and a flamebait for silly edit wars at worst. In the WP:ARBMAC topic area, everyone prefers fewer edit wars. The issue of the length of the name widening the infobox is easily fixed by adding a line break (br tag). --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:13, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Misdongarde Betolngar[edit]

Opet ja, sad sam video diskusiju oko njegovog imena. Naime, pisale su novine o tome kako je u našoj crkvi uzeo ime Đorđe. Otuda je najverovatnije usledilo ono uporno menjanje strane. Npr, Žurnal je objavio ovo: ЂОРЂЕ ИЗ ЧАДА: Бетолигар прешао у православље. Eto, to na primer ne bi bilo loše ubaciti u biografiju, ali svakako uz izvor, inače ovako se zapita čovek odakle to. Lotom (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Ahahaha video sam vest na zurnalu (to moze da bude izvor) kako je primio Pravosljavlje i ksrtili ga kao Djordje. Kad sam revertovao nisam imao pojma o tome i pogresio sam. Info treba da bude u clanku, ali ne u zvanicnom imenu i infoboxu. FkpCascais (talk) 17:06, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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National team players[edit]

Hello FkpCascais, hope you're also fine, thanks for being good with me in the talk. As for edits I'm saying that as for my opinion those football players in wikipedia should have called citizen in where they were born and not where they were grow up or what national team represents, for example Atdhe Nuhiu since he was born in Kosovo should called Kosovan-Albanian descent, but I readed the WP:FOOTY and I agree now. And if you have seen my User Page I take care about my national team Albania and everything linked with that, such are member football players (such as you see at my Watchlist), and as you say I've done too much work to expand and correct their pages here on wikipedia and such I must thank you for your rate to me. And also I must thank you for not being racist and violent with an Albanian like me despite you're Serbian and our countrys are most hated enemies of times. Now I must ask a question; if you are serbian and as you told you saw at your watchlist my edits, how can you watch the albanian pages despite you're serb. Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 10:03, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok pal, I respect you for what you are and what you think. Our story is too long and too sad. We were a great country but with the years passing, we shkrinked too much, our terrirtores passed to your country, Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece, this is the reason for hating Serbia and Greece, but also even Macedonia. We want just the justice, we want to take our terrirtores and to form great state of the Ethnic Albania as we deserve, and this starts with the Republic of Kosovo, wich serbia doesn't accept their independence. Our plan it's to accept kosovo as a independent state and then to unite with our Albania republic. This is the first reason why we hate your country, also and for the genocid that Slobodan Milošević, your former dictator made to kosovan peoples in 1999 year. As for your opinion, what you think: it's fair for kosovo to be accepted from your country Serbia, did they deserve, it's called this justice then?Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I though you were a good man, but you are unfair. Who are you to report me for a offence to your compatriot, it's me not someone who you doesn't know him. It wasn't any fair what UEFA did us yesterday and you know perfectly, as Branislav Ivanović declared.

As for Shrink of my country it's a long story, Kosovo is ours, Novi Pazar and Preševo Valley also, and west of Macedonia, East of Montenegro and north-west Greece.Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

The Serbian Empire by 1350.
Eni, you and I are wiki editors, and as such, we need to be prepared to deal with provocations without falling into insults. I hae no ideia who the editor was, but once I see you calling a Serbian editor "South-Russian", it becomes racism to me. Your ideias of Greater Albania are also not cool at all, but that is your personal view and I have nothing to do with it.
Regarding the game, I cant see how can your side complain at all. You provoked the incident, your players stared running to grab the flag and were pushing Serbian players. You all knew that was a huge provocation. I suppose you never qualify for major tournaments so the hole issue was just to make a battlefield in the field and get Serbia to be punished and not go to the EURO. Serbia should have been awarded with the 3 points, or at least the match should have been repeated (we wanted to play, your players were just too afraid to play and you counted that UEFA would punish Serbia :P ). Yes, the decition of UeFA was very unfair, but for Serbia!
I really have a question. I saw in tv celebrations in Albania after the game... What were you celebrating? That you didn't lost and got the match to be interrompted? I really don't understand what were the reasons for celebration in Albania.
And regarding the "shrinking" issue Eni.Sukthi.Durres. I love history and I know quite well all periods in our region, so I was, and I still am, very curious to know at what historical period was Albania big and now shrinked? You can only be referring to the WWII when Italians gave you some parts of Yugoslavia and it lasted just until Nazis and fascist were kicked out. If you see Great Albania youll see that besides that period, Albania never had any control over Serbian and Montenegrin territories. You just dream a Great Albania and you imagine it existed, but it didn't :)
And if I were thinking same way as you do, how should Serbs feel when they see Serbian Empire? Or ... oh you are from Durres!... look: Drač County. FkpCascais (talk) 05:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Poor you and your people for what kind of fool things have you in your head !!!!!! First of many, you call it racism to say for you that you came from south Russia?! Then what do we can call what you did to us in start of the match when players came on the pitch, where you as the fans singed 'kill albanians, death for them" etc.? Yes this is what you have to bann from the competition, for racism, which it's forbidden by UEFA himself, but guess what? Platini is corrupted and favorised you.

Let's continue: How do you know that the flag was put in by us at the stadium, how do u know that it wasn't puted by your people to blamed us? Yuo still call it right the decision that the match was awarded for you 3-0? So you made racism, physique violence at opponent which came to play football, and then you want the a win as a award? The security was to not allow conflict between peoples not to become violents with us. The security also it's responsible for the flag who came on the stadium, but not remained behind and the federation for organisation of the match.

We celebrated for our "300 spartans" which didn't had afraid of your huligans, your animals which can't called people humans. You are such of cowards that you talking bullshit to media because you're afraid of the revenge.

it's writted that you came to the Europe in the years 1200: Serbs established several states in the early Middle Ages following the Slavic migrations. The Serbian Kingdom obtained recognition by Rome and Constantinople in 1217; the state was elevated to the Serbian Empire, in 1346. so don't ask to have territores here and don';t be a fool because at Greater Albania you can see at images what I said previously above that Novi Pazar and Preševo Valley also, and west of Macedonia, East of Montenegro and north-west Greece are completely ours, before 1913.

So you serb, don't trust so much at media and the history of what at your country it's said because everybody speaks well for them selves. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Territorial expansion of the Kingdom of Serbia in 1913.
All images at Greater Albania are just imagination and projects that never happened along with maps showing ethnic composition which by no means mean that the territory was yours. Please show me a year when Albania was independent and big. Please. I showed you when Serbia was independent and big, now it is your turn. You are the one here trusting media and propaganda, while I am showing you historical facts. FkpCascais (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
And if you call Serbs - South Russians (we are just as Russians as Bulgarians, Poles or Czechs are, we are all Slavic people) I can call you Littoral Serb as your city was the capital of Littoral Serbia (Drač county)... You are not Eni Sukhti but Ilija Sukić from Drač lol its just that Turks brainwashed your past and made you a separate ethnic group. FkpCascais (talk) 21:05, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
We didn't come in 12 century, we came in 6 century, read History of Serbia and imediatelly build an independent state. What you were reading about 12 century was referring just to the Serbian Empire only, but Serbs had numerous kingdoms and states before that. FkpCascais (talk) 21:15, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea what bullshit you are talking about. Oh please don't be a fool, it's predicted that in 2035 map of europe and the world even, will change and my country Albania will take everuthing that they deserve. If maps at Greater Albania are imagination that never happenned then why wikipedia allow those kind of things? Comon now. If you don't believe anything we must wait what will happened but it's not necessary to spend time here mading debates here, we will see actions in the future. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

You were never even fully independent in the history, only now in 20 century you became independent... Now go and search me maps and facts that back up your claims how Albania was once big nd now shrinked and blabla. I want facts, not dreams pal.ˇFkpCascais (talk) 21:34, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I brought you 2 maps showing how Serbia was big and now shrinked. I want you to show me the same but for Albania. Show me a map or an article of how Albania was once big and now shrinked. And the maps at Greater Albania are just showing ethnic structure and the PROPOSED Albanian vilayet, which NEVER existed, and even if it was allowed by Turks, it would just have been an Otoman province, not an independent country. See the difference between Serbian kingdoms and empire which were independent, and Albanian dreams and projects? FkpCascais (talk) 21:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
my time it's Gold, I don't have to spend to convice you for that, but as i said, we will see what happen in the future to prove what's true and what is lie, a big lie even. You agree? Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 21:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, escape... You don't have any maps or articles because Albania was never big or shrinked or blabla... You just talk bullshit, go to school pal and learn some history. Good bye you nationalist dreamer and keep on hating Serbs, good for you, do whatever. If something shrinked it was not Albania for sure, but your brain... FkpCascais (talk) 21:43, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
And I don't know what will happened in the future, but all I know is that we Serb at least we had independent kingdoms and even an Empire, and you had nothing but Italian/Soviet/Turk dependencies. Even now you need Americans to fight us, shame on you. And you come to me talking some bullshit about how Albania was big? How dare you? I like Albania and I like Albanian and European history, but I hate nationalists ignorants like you who talk bullshit without knowing shit. FkpCascais (talk) 21:50, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
People like you are the dishonor of educated Albanians, and the reason why Albania is at the bottom of Europe. ... You deserve Novi Pazar (lol?)... I will not even say here what you deserve... FkpCascais (talk) 21:57, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Say it if you can, but you're coward like all of you. You are simple some suckers who stand united like sheeps, instead us that we stand alone like lions or Chuck Norris, lolololololol. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

You must be joking, because if Serbs are known for anything is our bravery, sometimes even fulish and almost suicidal. Ever since we allways fought against everyone wanting to fight us, often much stronger then us. We fought Byzantine Empire, Bulgarian Empire, Republic of Venice, Hungaria, etc. and then we built our medieval kingdom that grew so strong that it became an Empire. Serbian Empire was at the doors of Constantinople (Istambul) when our Emperor Dusan Silni died and then our nobles started fighting eachother for power (civil war) and Ottomans (Turks) took advantage of that situation and started their conquests in Europe. If Emperor Dusan didn't died, Turks would not have invaded the Balkans and made all the mess they made in the entire region for 500 years and there would not have been Muslim Albanians neither Bosnians and we would all have been advanced just as the rest of Europe. However despite Dusans death we fought the Ottomans. Then after kicking Turks out of Central and Western Balkans (again, Serbs were the first ones to liberate ourself from Turks, with Greeks as second ones), we stood up braves against a much much stronger Austro-Hungarian Empire and the entire world knows that we fighting Autro-Hungary was the tart of the First World War. While 99% of countries would just curve to Austrians, we didn't, and we were not afraid to fight against a 10 times bigger opponent and we were even more weaker at that time because we had just been loosing lives in the Balkan Wars which, by the way, we won both. At the end we won and Yugoslavia was created (the creation of Yugoslavia instead of a Greater Serbia is a long story). Then Second World War started and again, Serbs were fighting a much stronger opponent, and at the end we won! Serbs along with other Yugoslavs, were among the best ones in kicking Nazis ass. And you Albanians immediately joined the Axis and attacked us. We were attacked by all sides, by Nazi Germany, Mussolini Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and, of course, you Albania :) And we won in the end :P ... Then after the war, when all countries in Eastern Europe were subjugated by Stalins USSR, we bravely said "No!" to Russians and we created the Non-Aligned Movement. Then when the rulers of the world decided in the late 1980s that Yugoslavia was to be dismembered so no leftist movement (Titoism) will be recorded as positive and successfull in the history books, we, Serbs, along with Montenegrins, were the ones defending Yugoslavia. And we fought entire NATO, the United States army, and their puppets Croatian, Bosnian and KLA armies. We were so brave that we went to fight United States. So you are telling me that we are not brave? We are probably the craziest nation in the world which fought allways for our freedom against much bigger and stronger adversaries and we usually win! And you know very well that if it wasn't for the Americans, your KLA would just have been aniquilated in just a few days. So, resuming, we fought the Bizantine Empire, Hungary, Bulgarian Empire, Ottoman Empire, Autria, Austro-Hungarian Empire, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Italian Albania, Nazi Croatia, then we challenged Soviet Union and we showed them our power (see Tito-Stalin split) and more recently in the 1990s we fought Croatia, Bosnia and all Mujahedeens, KLA terrorists, then the United States army plus entire NATO... Millions and millions of Serbs died in all this wars, but at least no one can say we were not brave. Who did you, Albania, fought? The one Albanian you can be proud of is Skenderbeg, he was a great leader and a friend and ally of Serbs. FkpCascais (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

You don't have nothing what to do that writtes so long bullshit. You showed who you really are at the 'football' match on 14th october. Ah I forget, what you can say to me about Srebrenica massacre. Stop talking shit cause we know you. You don't belong here on europe cause you came from russia. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

What you call "so long bullshit" is called history, something you don't have any knolledge about :) You can only dream pal being what I am. Now get a fuck out of my talk-page and do your little shit somewhere else if you don't have anything intelligent to say. It is not my fault we had an Empire and were big and brave in the past. You came here talking lies and you got ridiculised, and now I hope you know that you were never big neither you shrinked. Be happy and proud with what you have, don't lie or pretend you had bigger history than the one you had. Read some history first and educate yourself. I feel sorry for frustrated nationalists like you, I hope one day you learn the good things in life. FkpCascais (talk) 22:04, 29 October 2014 (UTC) And just for you: Drač County. Serbian troops were welcomed in Durres. Also another thing, we Serbs have little to do with Russians beside historical friendship and sharing Slavic blood and Orthodox fate. But we almost had war with Russia only 60 years ago. We don't need nobody to defend us, while you opened your legs to Americans "Oh, please help us! Please!!!" FkpCascais (talk) 22:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hope we're alive to see whar will happen in the future and you suckers will remain like shit . Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 13:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I am so afraid ... I am pissing myself in the pants... :P ... Im still waiting for you to tell me what year was Albania big. You should read your own history for your own good so you don't embarace yourself in the future anymore by saying stupid things like those. FkpCascais (talk) 14:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Keep talking too much shit.....

Viva Albania, Grande Albania Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:46, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

So, no year? Ahahaha ... Eni from Drač County :P FkpCascais (talk) 21:05, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


I invite you to the discussion Here. Your help in this discussion would be much appreciated, since you already suggested the same formulation in the previous discussions. Best regards. Asdisis (talk) 14:10, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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Air Serbia merge discussion[edit]

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For persistent fight against stupidity, unwritten rules and rejection of reality! AirWolf talk 01:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks AirWolf! I understand you completely, the previous merge discussion was already quite clear, but as you noteced, many unfounded oppose´s were counted as valid. I insisted that Air Serbia article, in case of not being merged, at least has some History section where the history of Aeroput and JAT would be written. I am a bit sorry I haven´t got more time this last month to help you more, I´ll try, but you have done a great work in the merged page you made (perhaps merging Aeroput as well would be even a greater solution) and also you have done well in the discussions. Срдачан поздрав! FkpCascais (talk) 02:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Rezultati kupa SR Jugoslavije od 1994 do 1997[edit]

Ja sam napravio stranice svih sezona kupa SR Jugoslavije/Srbije i Crne Gore u fudbalu, ali imam jednu zamerku: na nema rezultata sesnaestine i osmine finala od 1994 do 1996 i samo sesnaestine finala 1997. Pa ako mozes pronadji ih negde pa mi objavi. Unapred hvala, a pohvale su mi dobrodosle. Jolicnikola (talk) 15:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Bas si ih dobro napravio. Vidim da im fale rezultati, bacio sam oko na neke sajtove ali isto nemaju te sezone. Znas da sve sto imam je ovde (slobodno i ti dodaj neki sajt/link ako mi fali). Pogledacu vise pa cu ti javiti ako nadjem. Te devedesete kod nas su bas zapustene, znas da ni ja ne mogu da nadjem nigde igrace klubova za vecinu tih godina devedesetih :( . PS: Ako hoces napravi one sezone druge lige koje sam hteo da napravim. Stvarno si uradio veoma puno vaznih clanaka, svaka ti cast! FkpCascais (talk) 02:00, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Evo imas neke rezultate iz 96-97 ovde. Jolicnikola (talk) 02:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
E bas ti hvala, nisam nikad video taj sajt. Ali meni ne trebaju rezultati, nego mi trebaju igraci klubova. FkpCascais (talk) 03:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Nisam ja mislio na igrace klubova. Nego jesi li video one rezultate kupa iz te sezone. Ima i rezultate sesnaestine finala ali su neki neispravni. Jolicnikola (talk) 03:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Znam sta ti fali, ali nisam nigde nasao. Ako ih ne nadjem ni na jednom sajtu pogledacu i na forumima B92 i parapsihopatologija da slucajno nema. FkpCascais (talk) 03:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Evo napravio sam i sezone druge lige. Jolicnikola (talk) 05:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Odlicno! Super su. FkpCascais (talk) 11:38, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Eeee ako sad Fofana ne dobije sancu onda nece nikad ;). Napred Crno-beli ;) 4C--Nado158 (talk) 22:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Mislis da ce nikolic da mu da sansu? Cisto sumnjam :D Ode Drincic, a ima jos samo par dana da se dovede neko pojacanje... ajde bas da vidimo. FkpCascais (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Pa onda ga treba izbaciti, kome onda da da???? Vidi se iz aviona da ga nevoli. Ma gotovo brate, uprav je ubedljivo najgora u Evropi a i navijaci cute. Ovo nebi nigde proslo, nigde, u Austriji naprimer bi se vec digla pola drzava, ma svi navijaci zbog takvih kao sto nam vode FKP itd. Ali ne, mi nista. Evo Totenhem i Besiktas ima da nam daju 5 komada, vec mi je muka, ozbiljno. Ko da igra? Odbrana katastrofa, Brasanac slab, Ilic star, Stankovic, Petrovic nazad slabi? Drincic odlazi itd. A mi i dalje se svadjamo, Delije, Grobari bla bla, dok drugi rade i ruse lopovske uprave. Srbi, patrijoti samo na jeziku (ne svi). Vidi Azerbajdzanci kako se su se ponasali prema nama? A mi jos njima se uvlacimo u guzicu. Necenis sebe, nece te niko ceniti, tako je to. A niko nevoli ulizice. Gledam ja ovde, Turci na primer su toliko slozni i teraju svoje to je strasno, ma nebi pokrali sebe i Tursko nema sance. Ma kakvi, oni da se svdjaju i dele zbog Srba? tesko. A mi, mi dozvoljavamo da nas asimiliraju po svetu, nestajemo i samo se svadjamo bilo gde u bilo cemu? 3 dana se pise o Stamenkovicu i Zvezdinih pesama u Baku. EJ de to ima??? Jos padamo na te fore. Ajde to su medije ali navijaci? Koliko imaju godina? 5? Ako nedobijemo min. 3 pojacanja na nivou bicemo zadnji bez gola. Ali Djuric je to i lazni "Grobari". Bice katastrofa.--Nado158 (talk) 12:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

..or maybe you don't?[edit]

Sorry Fkp, just realized you weren't there for the RfC, here's the thread. The FRJ/SiCG was rejected as part of the scope essentially on grounds of it being a successor state of Yugoslavia, and generally being only one of the fragments of the previous state. Don't know who brought in that three-part picture, but they shouldn't have done it without seeking consensus. -- Director (talk) 04:38, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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Transferi - leto 2014[edit]

Sada prečešljavam šta još mogu da pronađem, ali evo onih najbitnijih odlazaka koji nam fale na listi, a nemanju relevantan izvor za potkrepljenje.

Borac: 22 Dejan Stamenković, 25 Ivica Milutinović (Ne znam gde su otišli, brojevi iz prošle sezone u prvoj ligi.)

Rad: 18 Uroš Damnjanović (?), 31 Anto Vasović (Brodarac), 34 Vuk Ranđić (Žarkovo)

Jagodina: 50 Nikola Jakimovski (Trebalo bi da raskine ugovor, ako već nije ovih dana. Ne mogu stalno da vraćam neke stvari, ali nekima ne vredi pisati da on nije bio na pozajmici u Jagodini. Ili možda oni znaju nešto što mi ne znamo). 95 Dean Tišma (?) Po onom dodatku iz Žurnala moglo bi se zaključiti da su 3. golman Jokić, kao i još nekolicina igrača na dvojnim i pozajmicama u Trgovačkom. Tu pre svega mislim na Slađana Mijatovića, Stoičeva, Lazara Cvetkovica, Marinkovića i Ivana Miladinovića, jer su oni počeli sezonu sa Jagodinom. Ne znam šta se dešava sa sertifikatima za Aleksića i Mićunovića, Dodić je pred utakmicu sa Vojvodinom rekao da se čeka da stignu.

Radnički 1923: Oni više ni sami ne mogu da pohvataju ni ko je došao, ni otišao. Ali izgleda da Marko Đorđević, iako je došao ovog leta neće igrati za njih, Krivokapić je, izgleda otišao, ne znam šta se dešava sa Cudjoem, nije igrao posle 1. kola. Mada, poznato je koliko Bekvalac voli strance. Ni za ostale ne znam ko je otišao, sem ovih što su sada pozajmljeni. Ne znam šta je sa Čonkom, on ni u Inđiji nije često igrao. Oni koji su prošle sezone bili u Pobedi, većina je tamo i ostala, ubaciću to, samo da pohvatam ko je sve još tamo.

Donji Srem: 12 Matija Šegavac (?) Ivan Gmizić (bio na pozajmici u Jakovu prošle sezone)

Čukarički: 7 Radislav Sekulić (?), 32 Mihailo Miljković (čini mi se da je u Rakovici, ali nisam siguran). Takođe ne znam šta je sa Aleksandrom Stojiljkovićem, Guerrerom, Čedomirom Radićem i Milošem Pitulićem koji su bili u Sinđeliću prošle sezone. Nisam siguran za Filipa Matovića koji je sada na pozjamici u Sinđeliću, jer on je bio igrač OFK-a, prošle sezone na pozajmici u Dinamu iz Pančeva, ako je to on.

Voždovac: 12 Milan Opačić (golman, '96.), Filip Erić (golman, '94, bio na pozajmici u Šumadiji Jagnjilo), Miloš Smiljanić (kao i Erić, bio u Šumadiji), Vladimir Trifunović(bio pozajmljen Železniku, mislim da je tamo i ostao)

Novi Pazar: Demir Kadrić, Edin Mujković, Anes Hot (Jošanica), neki su verovatno i na dvojnoj, verovatno je i Sead Župić vraćen u Jošanicu, pošto nije licenciran za Pazar, koliko vidim.

Zvezda: Miloš Vukić(bio na pozajmici u Hajduku Beograd), Novak Martinović(mislim da je pod ugovorom sa Zvezdom, ali je valjda još uvek povređen), Nenad Cvetković i Željko Žerađanin('96 trebalo bi da su obojica na pozajmici u Rakovici), Miloš Zukanović('96, ne znam da li je ostao, ili je otišao)

OFK: 9 Miljan Škrbić, 32 Milan Sekulić(obojica su '95, čini mi se, ali ne znam šta je s njima.) Imao je OFK još dosta igrača na pozajmicama prošle sezone, a sigurno je da će ih slati i ove, ali teško da ćemo uspeti sve to da pohvatamo.

Napredak: 25 Danijel Smiljković (igrao je pretprošle sezone u prvoj ligi, ne znam gde je proveo prošlu, na srbijafudbal-u piše da je u PPT-u drugi igrač sa istim imenom i prezimenom.)

Radnički Niš: 19 Marko Mrkić(Igrao u omladincima Radničkog, godinu dana proveo u omladincima Jagodine, bio licenciran i za prvi tim, ali nije igrao. Debitovao je za Radnički sa brojem 19, ali se Marjanović vratio u Radnički i izgleda ponovo uzeo 19, tako da ne znam šta će biti s Mrkićem.)

Milsim, kod nas je vrlo teško iskopati relevantne izvore, a same informacije su vrlo često neproverene i netačne, pa vrlo često moraš da pretreseš sve moguće objave po netu ne bi li išta iskopao. Pozdrav! Lotom (talk) 15:41, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Ma imajuci u vidu koliko su nasi sajtovi slabi dobro smo uspeli i sve ovo do sada da skupimo. Danas me nije bilo a evo kasno cu da legnem, videcu jos malo veceras a vise sutra sta sve mogu da ti dodam. Od onoga sto vidim, Marko Mrkić nam je vec upisan u listu. Potpisao je za Jagodinu ponovo.
Onaj Filip Matovic izgleda da zaista jeste isti igrac, isti im je dattum rodjenja, mora da ga je Cuka kupila OFK-i, a admin sajta Srbijafudbal nije primetio. Onda, Cudjoe i Osei Bonsu su na pozajmici u Radnickom, verovatno su i dalje tamo samo Bekvalac ih ne jebe... U Radnickom bi isto trebao da bude i Luka Tiodorović, ima ga na zvanicnom sajtu ali nije jos igrao, ne znam ni dal je i dalje u klubu. Gro onih iz Jagodine je verovatno na pozajmci u Trgovackom Tabane.
Kad na Srbijafudbal bude admin postavio srpsku ligu, bice sve verovarno jasnije za mnoge igrace, do tada pokusacu da saznam sto vise podataka. FkpCascais (talk) 02:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
A Stefan Čolović koji je na spisku igraca na OFKinom zvanicnom sajtu a uveliko igra za Drinu iz Zvornika? Verovatno ga je OFK-a dovela iz Rada ali posto je imala zabranu registracije poslali su ga Drini, ili ga bas pozajmili... ali sve je predpostavka... FkpCascais (talk) 02:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Da, ali mi se čini da postoje bar dva Stefana Čolovića o kojima se priča. Ovaj o kome je reč i još jedan koji je takođe '94. godište i koji je igrao za Tottenham. Čini mi se da on stvarno igra levog beka i da je rođen u julu i ima švajcarsko državljanstvo, bio i u omladincima Bazela.
E sada, vidim da je na spisku igrača na prijateljskoj, igranoj pre neki dan.
Staviću da je ovaj iz Rada prešao u Drinu, a vidim da je tamo i Erić, bivši golman Voždovca. Zaboravio sam da napomenem Sašu Jovanovića iz Voždovca, takođe ne znam šta je s njim.
Što se Radničkog KG tiče, vidim da je Tiodorović igrao sada protiv Jagodine na prijateljskoj, ali isto vidim da neki lik redovno sređuje postavu na wiki stranici, sigurno je upoznat sa prilikama. Lotom (talk) 06:52, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Aha, znaci ima verovatno 2 Stefana Colovica... Pa koji je gde onda? Jedan, taj sto je bio u Bazelu i Totenhemu, je igrao za Svajcarsku U16 reprezentaciju, e sad koji?
Mladost Lucana je ovog leta angazovala 2 Sasa Jovanovica, ali jedan od te dvojice je posle samo nedelju/dve otisao na Maltu i porpisao tamo za neki klub, tako da je pitanje uopste i da li je potpisao za Mladost ili kao slobodan igrac samo sa njima trenirao dok nije nasao inostrani agazman, u Malti... uau... E sad koji od ta sva Sasa Jovanovica isto ne znam sigurno. FkpCascais (talk) 05:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Napravio sam stranu onom brazilcu iz Pazara, Bruno Oliveira de Matos. U Brazilu imaju 2 prezimena, prvo majcino drugo ocevo, pa vecina kad skrati ime koristi zadnje prezime, ali ako cak googlujes videces da njega mnogo cesce nazivaju Bruno Oliveirom... jebiga, ne znam sto, mozda je odrastao sa majkom. Cak na zerozero sajtu ima slicicu gde bas pise Bruno Oliveira, a na youtubu ima jedan video i pise Bruno Matos. Ovi u Pazaru su izgleda skontali taj zakon pa koriste vise Matos, ali izgleda da je on licno odabrao vise da koristi Oliveira... a u PM, stavio sam mu "Bruno" skraceno ime pa a u kurac. ... A inace spanci i sve zemlje gde se govori spanski imaju obrnuto, prvo ocevo prezime pa onda majcino. Pa onda Augusto Alexi Quintero Batioja bi trebao da bude Augusto Quintero, ali jebiga, i njega nesto cesce cak i u medijma u Ekvadoru zovu po majcinom prezimenu, Batioja. Kod nas kad je dosao odmah ga prozvase Batioja i od tada je ostalo... ali inace retkost za ekvadorce da koriste majcino a ne ocevo prezime.
A sto se prezimena tice, pazi Javier Cohene-a! Ne kapiram uopste kako su ga ovi iz Cacka potpisali kad je on sa reprezentacijom Palestine cak u dalekim Filipinima na Kupu Mira. Debiovao je za Palesinu upravo juce i dao gol. Ovde kod mene u Portugalu ga svi normalno zovu Javier Cohene, po ocevom prezimenu, ali posto je Cohene u stvari jevrejsko Cohen, sad ga u reprezentaciji Palestine zovu Javier Mereles, po majcinom prezimenu, da bi izbegli jevrjsko Cohene, ahahahahaha jebe lud zbunjenog... Inace, kad zavrsi Kup Mira sa Palestinom i ako zaista dodje u Cacak, dizem kapu ljudima sto su ga doveli! Decko je ovde kod mene u Portugalu bogami vec relativno poznat kao solidan stoper za srednje i manje klubove. FkpCascais (talk) 05:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
A ovi iz Pazara kad su predstavljali Bruna i Tintora rekli da su pri kraju pregovori sa nekim ekstra strancem napadacem... i izgleda da nema nista od toga... FkpCascais (talk) 05:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Baš zbog ovakvih nedoumuica se i trudim da napišem kakvu-takvu biografiju o svakom igraču koji ispunjava uslove. Saša Jovanović igra za Lučane, ovaj drugi iz Voždovca nije ostao. A taj na malti je mislim '8x godište. Što se Čolovića tiče, ovaj je igrao za Rad:, ovaj za OFK, a gledaj sad, na koga ti ovaj više liči: Meni se mnogo dopada Borac ove sezone. Pokriveni su bukvalno na svakoj poziciji sa 2-3 igrača i dobro su skockani. Samo ne znam šta će im ovoliki odbrambeni, ali iskreno verujem da ovaj donosi još bolji kvalitet. Pretpostavljam da će on i Ćola Miletić da igraju u tandemu, mada imaju 5-6 štopera sada. Nisu hteli da puste nekog u Slogu KV, a ona će da ispadne iz prve lige ove sezone. Nema igru uopšte, otišao je skoro ceo tim od prošle sezone. A, da ne zaboravim, jesi li gledao za onog Nigerijca iz Oriona da li ima neko skraćeno ime? Lotom (talk) 07:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Da dodam ovom spisku prvotimaca koji fale i nekolicinu iz subotičkog Spartaka: 3 Bojan Čiča, 23 Milan Vojvodić, 28 Aleksa Matić, koji je kao i mnogi igrao za Palić prošle polusezone, ali sada, kako Palić igra ko zna koji rang takmičenja, ne znam kuda se sada igrači ići na pozajmice. Uglavnom, bilo je sijaset igrača u Paliću. Lotom (talk) 11:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
U Borcu mi jedino nije jasno ko je Bogdan Ivanovic na dnu liste igraca... FkpCascais (talk) 14:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
On je na spisku još od prošle sezone. Nisam siguran za njega, ali ne igra u prvom timu, koliko znam. Ima dosta ,,fantoma" u našem fudbalu, to je činjenica. Lotom (talk) 18:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Ahahaha to za fantome si potpuno u pravu. Ovih dana sam dodao neke transfere, verovatno si video, neke koje si spominjao ovde. Na su izbacili Srpsku Ligu Beograd.
Sto se ostaloga tice, znas sta trazim bezuspesno vec godinama? Liste igraca nasih klubova iz 90-tih. Jel znas mozda gde mogu to da nadjem? FkpCascais (talk) 16:59, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Video sam za srpsku ligu, prelistao sam sve, pa ću ubaciti šta fali ovih dana. U poslednje vreme sam stalno po autobusima KV-BG i obratno, pa ne stižem da sredim mnogo toga. Videću da ažuriram što mogu do kraja septembra, jer posle sledi fax i dosta privatnih obaveza. Znam da se trudiš oko tih spiskova igrača. Ja se nisam fokusirao puno na to, ali do sada nisam nalazio neke spiskove pre 20xx-te. Iako sam u stanju da pretresem sve po netu kada nešto tražim, u ovo ne polažem baš neke nade. Tada je bilo ono ratno stanje i sve ostalo je bilo manje važno. Možda može da se iskopa ponešto, ali pitanje je i koliko je to relevantno. Lotom (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Je l' možeš da pronađeš nešto o ovom Mihailu koji se pominje na kraju teksta? Takođe, kako ja kapiram ovaj spisak, izgleda da su Petković i Božičić otišli. Jer vidim da su ubacili ovaj naš spisak, sa nekim izmenama. Video sam na njihovom sajtu da si se raspitivao za sertifikat, ko zna da li su uopšte i videli ovaj spisak pre toga. Mada sam zapazio da su recimo ovi s Napretkovog sajta bukvalno za karijere nekih igrača iskoristili ono što sam ja pisao i samo preveli. Bar znam da nekome koristi. Lotom (talk) 17:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Aha video sam na sajtu Donjeg Srema kako su upotrebili nase liste odavde :D Ako, neka su. Ove sa Napredkovog sajta cekam da apdejtuju igracki kadar, jos im tamo stoji Regan -_- ... Za ovog Mihaila Dadadzea na guglu nista nema o.O Valjda je gruzijac, valjda bi trebao da bude Mikhail Dadadze, ali mi bas nista ne daje. Probacu negde da ga iskopam. Pazi OFK-u, doveli mladog slovenca iz NK Maribora, auuu i Aksentjevica! :D Brate Lotom, uradili smo (ti najvise) ovu listu transfera bas najbolje moguce. Vec sam na jednom forumu FMSerbia video kako su rekli da smo bas azurirani bas ono u pozitivnom. Ali jebote neverovatno da smo zemlja u Evropi koja obozava fudbal a da nemamo sajt kako treba... FkpCascais (talk) 04:51, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Ahahahaha znas ko je menager Dautovicu? Lian Sports :) (Ramadani-Terza, to je veza) ... Al ajde dobro... Matej mu ima vec clanak u sandboxu: User:Matej1234/Dautovic. FkpCascais (talk) 05:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Isti slučaj kao s Matovićem. Ne uspevam ništa da nađem za Vitalie Bulat-a, bio je na pozajmici... Većinu smo ubacili, ono što fali, uglavnom nema relevantan izvor, ili čak nikakav, jer bi se već nešto našlo. Za Radojevića iz Rada sam video na Javorovoj FB strani. Igrao je prijateljsku protiv Lučana. Bilo je očigledno da će Cohene nositi 6, a Radunović 3 u Borcu. Šta ti bi da stavljaš one brojeve za Slogu KV? xD Njih namerno ostavljam za kraj, pošto su moji, pa ću njih polako da sređujem. Inače, Slogina prva garnitura dresova je daCapo, a druga je Nike, koja je stara sigurno 5 godina, minimum. Još iz doba Srpske lige zapad. Zato prva garnitura ima brojeve do 24(možda čak postoji i neki dres više, jer mi se čini da sam jednom video sliku Darka Drinića u novinama dok je još igrao za Slogu sa brojem 26!), a druga samo do 18. Prvi dresovi su bele, a drugi plave boje. Ali to su više informacije za kitmaker-e na PES-u, FIFI... Inače do prošle sezone se znalo ko koji broj nosi, uglavnom, ali ako u sastav upadne neko ko inače nije među prvih 18, on onda nosi broj onog igrača koji ne igra. Međutim, kako se taj tim raspao, ovu sezonu su počeli poređani po brojevima od 1 do 18. Reč je o prvoj garnituri, naravno. E sad, videćemo šta će sezona da donese, ali se, u principu ne koristi više od 20 brojeva u sezoni. Lotom (talk) 16:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Ahahaha ako su brojevi pogresni, izvini :D , evo odakle sam ih stavio: link. A brojevi za SUperLigu koj sam dodao, sam dodao preko live-reporta Mozzartsporta (stavio sam linkove u edit summary). Za moldavca Bulata isto ne znam nista, ne mozemos da ga stavimo medju odlaske jer ne znamo da li je raskinuo sa OFK-om, ili je negde na pozajmici, ili negde na probi... Onaj golman Cedomir Radic je u SIndjelicu. FkpCascais (talk) 14:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Redovno proveravam te sajtove, bez brige. Garant postoji neka opcija sa Ramadanijem, čim je ovaj sada tu. Igrao je na pripremama, ali sam ipak mislio da nije tu. Samo me čudi kako nije isforsirao upravu da debituje za Partizan. Nije se naigrao gde god da je bio, ali ne mogu da ga pljujem unapred, samo zato što je Ramadanijev, jer mu oči u životu nisam video... A Osmančevića je doveo Dovedan, siguran sam. Obojica su iz tog kraja, koliko znam. Lotom (talk) 8:55, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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Kosovo Status note on Kosovan Football Clubs[edit]

I just wanted to pick your brain on this because you edit both articles about Kosovo and football. I'm not entirely sure the Kosovo Status note is required on the football club articles. Kosovo is a territory (regardless if it is a country or province) which has its own football league, no one disputes this and it has had its own league since 1945; it pre-dates the dispute. The football clubs and league have nothing to do with the politics or the dispute, so I'm not sure why the status note is required. Kosovo is a territory with its own league (non-UEFA affiliated). For example, one could argue that FC Prishtina is a football club of Serbia, however as it plays in Kosovo's league, we say it is in Kosovo; this is similar to saying that Bangor City F.C. is a Welsh football club and not a British football club because it plays in the Welsh Premier League. It is my understanding that the status note is used to improve NPOV however it isn't POV to say that FC Prishtina is a football in Kosovo (without the status note) because it is a football club which plays in the Kosovo Superleague. No one disputes this. No one says that it should play in the Serbian SuperLiga or a lower Serbian league. Anyway, I just wanted to see your thoughts on the matter as I don't see why the status note is required in a non-political context. IJA (talk) 17:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I understand your point. It is a litle bit comparable to England, Wales, Northern Ireland or Scorland which compete separately in football, and you are basically saying that once one mentions that in the article, exemple, Dundee United is a Scottish club playing in Scottish League, that becomes unecessary to add United Kingdom to the context. However, there is a difference. FIFA and UEFA do recognise each of them as separate, but don´t recognise Kosovo. For FIFA and UEFA point of view, FC Prishtina is a club located on the territory of the Serbian Football Association, but doesn´t play in the Serbian league system, but in a "rebel" unrecognised one. However, I admit that it is not up to us to judge the decition of the Kosovo FA not to participate in the Serbian FA organised competitions and to create their own league. So, I am perfectly OK in saying that those are Kosovar clubs, playing in Kosovar leagues, etc. I just think the Kosovo status note is only necessary when mentioning where the club is located (for instance, in the infobox, when saying that the club is located on place X in Kosovo). FkpCascais (talk) 18:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough, however I'm sure the Serbian FA recognises the Football Federation of Kosovo as it was established in 1946, they just deem it to be sub-national and thus ineligible for UEFA/FIFA without their consent. But yeah, the status-note is only there for the location bit in the intro so it I'm not that fussed over its use in that context. I just feel that in some cases the status note is sometimes over used and used when it isn't required. For example, I removed it today from the Mother Teresa article because it was in context to Kosovo in the 19th Century and she died ten years before the declaration of independence, there was no reason for it to be there. I wouldn't be surprised if some fool were to add it to the "Battle of Kosovo" article. I believe that this status-note should not be used on anything historical prior to 2008 because it isn't relevant before 2008; there was no dispute before 2008. Don't get me wrong, the status-note is useful and is there in the spirit of NPOV but WhiteWriter (before he disappeared) seems to have added to every article on Wikipedia which mentions Kosovo. Anyway, thanks for giving me you view on the Kosovo Football Club articles. Regards IJA (talk) 21:44, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Would you object to me adding something to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Kosovo-related articles#Kosovo note? Something along the lines of "The Kosovo note should not be used in a historical context prior to February 2008." Does that seem fair to you? IJA (talk) 21:51, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven´t had much time yeasterday and today, but, no, I wouldn´t object at all, I think your proposal is fine. FkpCascais (talk) 14:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


Nažalost, izgleda da ćemo i na Srbijafudbal morati selektivnije da se oslanjamo. Taman sam hteo da dodam sve ovo, ne stigoh juče, ali ti si bio brži.:) Neko je bio dodavao ove brojeve sa Srbijafudbala, međutim, bar 50% je pogrešno, kao što vidiš. Baš sam gledao OFK, da vidim za Čolovića, prebacili su onog iz Rada, a on igra za Drinu. Prelistao sam i forum FM-a i odatle malo pohvatao konce. Što ukupno znači da više nemamo ni jedan sajt na koji možemo da se oslonimo 100%. I da, treba da napišem strane za još 6 igrača koji su debitovali u ovom prvenstvu i da sredim statistiku za ostale. Ono što me zanima, ti sigurno znaš bolje jeste koje uslove treba da ispunjava klub da bi se napisala strana za njega. Pošto bih se, ako stignem, pozabavio malo nižerazrednim klubovima. I da li mogu da napišem stranu za sezonu kluba iz PLS? Takođe, ako bih ubacivao neku sliku ili logo, nisam baš siguran... Lotom (talk) 9:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hehe, video sam to za brojeve, ja sam ubacio samo neke koje nismo imali i ne poklapaju njednog drugog igraca sa istim brojem, a nisam dodao recimo Mazalicu u Donjem Sremu jer ima neki drugi igrac koji ima isti broj a nije otisao tako da sam skontao da ti brojevi iz mogu da imaju greske. Ja sam razgovarao nekoliko puta sa administratorom i jako je fin i sve to dobrovoljno radi tako sto mu klubovi i savez dostupe podatke. E sad, ima naravno gresaka. Prva je recimo ta da kad ne zna mesto rodjenja igracima, stavi im mesto prvog kluba u kojem je igrao. Vec sam ga molio da to ne radi nego da ostavi prazno, ali nije vredelo, rekao je da je u vecini slucajeva ispadne tacno... Tako je recimo onom Marceti iz Donjeg Srema stavio bio Novi Sad jer mu je prvi klub bio iz Novog Sada, pa su ostali sajtovi to prekopirali, i tek skoro je popravio na BiH. Drugo, nacionalnost. Molio sam ga da li moze da se drzi istog principa kao mi ovde na Vikipediji, ono da stavljamo pod jedan reprezentaciju za koju igrac igra ili je igrao, pa pod dva, zemlja mesta rodjenja. Naravno, u toj drugoj tacci koristimo malo logike, recimo, onaj Curko iz Vojvodine ima SRB zastavicu iako je rodjen u Nemackoj i verovatno poseduje oba drzavljanstva, ali posto nije vezan za Nemacku korenom porodicnim niti je tako uopste igrao, nego je samo rodjen tamo jer je tata privremeno tamo igrao fudbal, onda naravno, OK, stavljamo ga pod Srbija. A mi je rekao da im stavlja nacionalnost po nacionalnsoti koju sami igraci se deklarisu (hum, cudno) i zato na primer Alivodica stavlja pod Bosnu, jer se definise kao Bosnjak (mada ne znam kako ima pristup tim podatcima niti da li to ima igde, to gde se igraci deklarisu po nacionalnosti. U statistickom zavodu? lol).
Tako da sajt Srbijafudbal je dosta pouzdan, ali nije definitivno 100% pouzdan. Brojeve treba proveriti. Mesta rodjena su vecimom tacna, jedini koji su pod upitnikom su oni kojima stoji isto mesto rodjena od prvog njihovog kluba. Recimo, ako igracu koji je poceo karijeru u FK Vršac sttoji mesto rodjenja "Vršac", moze da bude tacno ali moze i da ne bude. A ako je poceo karijeru u Vešcu a stoji mu Zaječar, onda je sigurno tacno.
Onda, statistiku za predhodne klubove ubacuje iz njegove baze podataka od svih sezona koje ima (ima sve od 2001. pa do sada). Sto se tice stranaca i nasih sa karijerama po inostranstvu cini mi se da nalazi preko interneta, ali nisam siguran, to ga nisam pitao. Takodje video sam da ima neke igrace pobrkane, recimo Colovica kao sto su spomenuo, pa imao je onog Edin Rustemovića koji je dosao iz Nemacke u Drinu Zvornik i iz Drine u omladince Vojvodine, pa OFK-u i pozajmice, i sad je opet sa Drinom, pomesao mu je karijeru sa crnogorcem Edi Rustemovićem, nesto starijim koji je igrao u Borcu iz Cacka, Kolubari i lucanskoj Mladosti. One Nikola Vasiljević isto ima karijere od obojice zajedno pobrkane.
Za klubove, probacu da nadjem kriterijum pa cu ga postaviti. A i o tome za sezonske klubovske clanke. FkpCascais (talk) 13:56, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Hvala ti za ovo. Znači, ovo kod nas je još veći bedak nego što sam milio. Sve je na dobrovoljnoj bazi. Dobro je što imamo i ovoliko koliko imamo sada. U svakom slučaju, ja sam zahvalan za svaku informaciju koju dobijem. Ja ću da pišem te sezone za sebe, pa ću da ih čuvam u nekom dokumentu. Ili ću da sačuvam na Wiki, pa ako obrišu... I da, vidi onda za Bežaniju, ja sam stavio zastevice Portugala i Poljske za dvojicu igrača, pošto su tamo rođeni. Ti popravi, ako ne valja, pošto ja nikako da pohvatam sve kriterijume. Lotom (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Napravi slobodno sezone u Sandboxu,ja imam preko 40 sandboxova sa svim i svacim. Jos nisam siguran koji klubovi mogu da imaju sezonske clanke, ako treba pitacu na WikiProject Football, pa ako moze samo se sandbox pretvori u clanak tako sto mu se promeni ime i stavi pravi naslov. Video sam na squad od Bezanije, super si sve dodao, ja sam im bio video tu istu stranu na sajtu pre par nedelja i nisam bio znao da su napravili apdejt i dodali jos te igrace. Poljaka Cisica sam vec imao u User:FkpCascais/Sandbox31 gde imam sve strance iz nizih liga, verovatno je pravi poljak koji je dosao jos mlad kod nas sa roditeljima sigurno. A Marko Šoć je najverovatnije sin od nekog naseg igraca koji je igrao u Viseu. To je jedan gradic u unutrasnjosti Portugala daleko od mesta gde ja zivim, bio sam tamo samo jedanput jos pre 15 godina i znam da je tamo bila mala kolonija nasih sportista. Šoć je nase prezime (iz Vojvodine jel?), i Marko nase ime (u Portugalu ima ali se pise "Marco"), tako da i da ostane portugalska zastavica nije problem jer decko vrlo moguce ima duplo drzavljanstvo ali je vise nas covek tamo slucajno rodjen. A Cisic jos i zbog imena "Aleksander" sa "e" a i zucko je pravi (jesi mu video sliku?) izgleda da je pravi poljak. FkpCascais (talk) 16:04, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Bio je jedan fudbaler Šoć u OFK Beogradu 90-tih, ruku dajem da je verovatno on presao u Académico de Viseu FC i dok je tamo igrao dobio sina Marka. Ali posto Marko nije ni igrao u Portugalu, vise logike ima da mu stoji nasa zastava. A recimo sin od trenera Muslina, Marko Muslin, rodio se u Francuskoj 1985. dok mu je tata tamo trenirao, ali je tamo poceo da igra i svugde gde je igrao, igrao je kao francuz (kao domaci igrac u Nici i Monaku, pa posle kao francika u Belgiji, Bugarskoj i Svici) pa njemu je logicnije da stoji francuska zastavica gde god da igra. Bila je diskusija oko ovih slucajeva jos pre nekoliko godine na fudbalskom projektu, pa se odlucilo da za igrace koji nemaju reprezentativne nastupe koristi ovakva neka logika : zastavice zemlje mesta rodjenja, sem ako se igrac bas ono slucajno samo tamo rodio i nema nikakve veze u karijeri sa tom zemljom. Posle sam ja primenio to za nase slucajeve iz Bosne jer skoro svi imaju srpsku zastavu i onda i kad se vrate u Bosnu i igraju u, recimo Rudaru iz Prijedora, stoji im SRB zastavica kao da su igraci iz Srbije koji su dosli u Bosnu da igraju. I na transfermarktu su poceli to da menjaju i stavljaju BIH pod jedan (mada ima jos puno da se popravlja), jer je do pre godinu dve nazad ispadalo da u Bosni igra 200 stranaca na 350 igraca, a ono od tih 200 100 su bili srbi od kojih recimo 70 su bili srbi iz Bosne koji su igrali samo u Srbiji, a 100 hrvati sa istim slucajem. Nema logike da recimo jedan Nebojša Šodić igra kao stranac (srbin) u svom rodnom gradu Prijedoru samo zato sto ima verovatno dvojno drzavljanstvo i sto je igrao par sezona u Srbiji u Kuli i Apatinu. Niti ima logike da mu se menja zastavica zaviseci od toga gde igra, da mu stoji SRB zastavica kad u Srbiji i BIH zastavica kad u Bosni. Nema reprezentativne nastupe, rodjen je i igrao u Bosni, nacionalnost 1 mu je BIH i ta treba svigde da mu stoji, jer je on igrac iz Bosne koji je igrao u Srbiji, a ne igrac iz Srbije koji je dosao u Bosnu da igra. Ako Republika Srpska trazi i dobije nezavisnost jednog dana onda ce mo videti, ali do tada... :D ... FkpCascais (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Uf, ugnjavih te sada sa ovim, izvini, nisam ni trebao jer si ti bas super editor i sve bs super radis. Samo sam iskoristio ovo nekako da objasnim cak i za nekog drugog u buducnosti ako pita. A nemoj slucajno da shvatis da imam nesto protiv srba iz Bosne ili da zelim namerno BIH zastavicu da im stavljam, ja sam iz BG ali su mi pola porodice srbi iz Sarajeva i bas sam ono vezan za njih. Samo je poenta cisto fudbalska, da su to nisu igraci iz Srbije koji idu u potragu za lebom u BiH, nego su igraci iz Bosne koji su kod nas igrali ili igraju. FkpCascais (talk) 16:56, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Napravi slobodno sezone u Sandboxu,ja imam preko 40 sandboxova sa svim i svacim. Jos nisam siguran koji klubovi mogu da imaju sezonske clanke, ako treba pitacu na WikiProject Football, pa ako moze samo se sandbox pretvori u clanak tako sto mu se promeni ime i stavi pravi naslov. Video sam na squad od Bezanije, super si sve dodao, ja sam im bio video tu istu stranu na sajtu pre par nedelja i nisam bio znao da su napravili apdejt i dodali jos te igrace. Poljaka Cisica sam vec imao u User:FkpCascais/Sandbox31 gde imam sve strance iz nizih liga, verovatno je pravi poljak koji je dosao jos mlad kod nas sa roditeljima sigurno. A Marko Šoć je najverovatnije sin od nekog naseg igraca koji je igrao u Viseu. To je jedan gradic u unutrasnjosti Portugala daleko od mesta gde ja zivim, bio sam tamo samo jedanput jos pre 15 godina i znam da je tamo bila mala kolonija nasih sportista. Šoć je nase prezime (iz Vojvodine jel?), i Marko nase ime (u Portugalu ima ali se pise "Marco"), tako da i da ostane portugalska zastavica nije problem jer decko vrlo moguce ima duplo drzavljanstvo ali je vise nas covek tamo slucajno rodjen. A Cisic jos i zbog imena "Aleksander" sa "e" a i zucko je pravi (jesi mu video sliku?) izgleda da je pravi poljak. FkpCascais (talk) 16:04, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Bio je jedan fudbaler Šoć u OFK Beogradu 90-tih, ruku dajem da je verovatno on presao u Académico de Viseu FC i dok je tamo igrao dobio sina Marka. Ali posto Marko nije ni igrao u Portugalu, vise logike ima da mu stoji nasa zastava. A recimo sin od trenera Muslina, Marko Muslin, rodio se u Francuskoj 1985. dok mu je tata tamo trenirao, ali je tamo poceo da igra i svugde gde je igrao, igrao je kao francuz (kao domaci igrac u Nici i Monaku, pa posle kao francika u Belgiji, Bugarskoj i Svici) pa njemu je logicnije da stoji francuska zastavica gde god da igra. Bila je diskusija oko ovih slucajeva jos pre nekoliko godine na fudbalskom projektu, pa se odlucilo da za igrace koji nemaju reprezentativne nastupe koristi ovakva neka logika : zastavice zemlje mesta rodjenja, sem ako se igrac bas ono slucajno samo tamo rodio i nema nikakve veze u karijeri sa tom zemljom. Posle sam ja primenio to za nase slucajeve iz Bosne jer skoro svi imaju srpsku zastavu i onda i kad se vrate u Bosnu i igraju u, recimo Rudaru iz Prijedora, stoji im SRB zastavica kao da su igraci iz Srbije koji su dosli u Bosnu da igraju. I na transfermarktu su poceli to da menjaju i stavljaju BIH pod jedan (mada ima jos puno da se popravlja), jer je do pre godinu dve nazad ispadalo da u Bosni igra 200 stranaca na 350 igraca, a ono od tih 200 100 su bili srbi od kojih recimo 70 su bili srbi iz Bosne koji su igrali samo u Srbiji, a 100 hrvati sa istim slucajem. Nema logike da recimo jedan Nebojša Šodić igra kao stranac (srbin) u svom rodnom gradu Prijedoru samo zato sto ima verovatno dvojno drzavljanstvo i sto je igrao par sezona u Srbiji u Kuli i Apatinu. Niti ima logike da mu se menja zastavica zaviseci od toga gde igra, da mu stoji SRB zastavica kad u Srbiji i BIH zastavica kad u Bosni. Nema reprezentativne nastupe, rodjen je i igrao u Bosni, nacionalnost 1 mu je BIH i ta treba svigde da mu stoji, jer je on igrac iz Bosne koji je igrao u Srbiji, a ne igrac iz Srbije koji je dosao u Bosnu da igra. Ako Republika Srpska trazi i dobije nezavisnost jednog dana onda ce mo videti, ali do tada... :D ... FkpCascais (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Taman posla, ionako me je zanimalo kojom se logikom vodiš prilikom ovoga. Za Poljaka sam i ja siguran, jedino za Šoća, upravo zbog svega što si naveo. Jer naših ima svuda po svetu i onda... Recimo Kanada, Australija, Švajcarska, Austrija i još neke, gde je to baš izraženo. Ja, doduše, zemlje bivše SFRJ i dalje ne smatram potpuno stranim, jer nam se jezici ne razlikuju previše. Još nisam koristio Sandbox, ne stižem ni ovako sve što isplaniram. Zabaviću se malo time ovih dana, ako stignem. Krećem na fax od ponedeljka, pa koliko mi vreme i eventualno wi-fi bude dozvoljavao... Lotom (talk) 10:05, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Ma da, to "stranci" za igrace iz veceg dela bivse Juge je smesno. Pa eto moj rodjak Bojan Regoje da dodje u Srbiju da igra bi bio kao "stranac" hahaha. Da mu mozda ne bi trebao prevodilac :D a ne znam na planeti vecih srbenda od tih mojih Regoja. Ali eto, i Tole i savez su sami napravili zakon da se svi racunaju kao stranci (ok, ako imaju dvojno drzavljansvo nisu, ali mnogi klinci sad od po 18-20 i nove generacije iz RS i CG vise nemaju), tako da su ove liste "foreign players" u nasem slucaju u svari liste igraca kojima srpsko nije prvo drzavljanstvo. Jos mi nije odgovorio jedan admin za ove sezone, mozda je vikend a vidim da ga nema na viki ovih dana, sacekacu do sutra pa cu pitati drugoga. Sandbox ne znam da li znas, pravis ga tako sto samo napravis link User:Lotom/Sandbox1 i pises tamo sta hoces. Posle sledecu stavis Sandbox2, 3,4,itd. U principu bi trebali sandboxi biti samo potencijalni clanci, ali mislim ti niko nece gledati sandbox i mozes sta hoces u njemu da stavljas, ja ih imam puno i u njima pisem svasta od statistika, do tekstova i gluposti, i niko me nikad nije nista pitao za njih. FkpCascais (talk) 03:36, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


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I have noticed your edits and appreciated them greatly. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Cheers! Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Many many thanks Antidiskriminator! I am very flattered by your recognition. I hope you are fine and poke me whenever you feel to. Best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 12:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Aleksandar Duric[edit]

I went through numerous sources on the Serbian division two club he played for but they are conflicting each other on the exact club, and I could find no definitive answer. NFT states Sloga Skopje, a Macedonian club while other sources list Sloga Požega as the club. If you could find the actual club he played for using Bosnian or Serbian sources, please drop me a message. I would love to know too. Much appreciated. LRD 15:01, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I saw those clubs mentioned but I suspected they could be a result of a mistake as his first club was named Sloga (FK Sloga Doboj). He certainly played in the Doboj one. Of the others mentioned, the Macedonian one is FK Sloga Jugomagnat from Skopje, and the Serbian one is FK Sloga Požega. I doubt that he had played in the Macedonian one, it is probable that knowing that he had played in a club named FK Sloga that someone tought it was the one from Skopje as it was the only Sloga one playing in a top-level back then in the entire region, so it was like the most well known one. The other mentioned, the Požega one, FK Sloga Požega by that time was playing in a lower level than the second one. The only Sloga playing in the second level by then was FK Sloga Kraljevo who got promoted to the second level of FR Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) in 1992, 1992–93 Second League of FR Yugoslavia (source). But, we don´t know for sure if the club he played in the second level in Serbia, as he is telling us, was even called Sloga (or is it just those websites making confusion with Sloga Doboj), and, we don´t know the exact season either. I´ll try to search more but it is hard because despite the good quality of the seecond level back then, the sources available nowadays are scarse. Even if I find match-reports, they often mention only the surnames, and Đurić (also written as Djurić) is quit a common surname in the region, a litle bit like Smith or Johnson in UK., which is still not working, says he played in FK Sloga Kraljevo in the season 1992/93. You can see a copy of his page at soccerdatabase . eu (I can´t post the link because is blacklisted here at Wikipedia). I´ll try to see if I can find more info and will let you know LRD, best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 02:05, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
We have a fellow wikipedian who is FK Sloga Kraljevo fan, User:Lotom, I will ask him if he knows something and if he can confirm if he played in Kraljevo. FkpCascais (talk) 02:10, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Cheers for the help. It would be nice to fill in a missing part of his history. Out of curiosity, why is blacklisted? LRD 02:15, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Just had a look at that website. Seems I got confused with, of which many articles have as an external link, hence the curiosity. I could sort of get a feel why soccerdatabase is blacklisted. Cheers and have a nice day. LRD 02:26, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
(ec) From what I heard it´s because there was a missunderstanding among administrators of and one of them went out and created where he created an exact copy of playerhistory without consent. Håkon André Winther made efforts here on claiming rights of the content and got soccerdatabase to be blacklisted. I remember him personally asking for it at WP:FOOTY, it´s in the archives of the discussions. Or, exemple, see this from the time it was still not blacklisted :D FkpCascais (talk) 02:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Just went through the archives regarding to get a better view of the dispute. It seems that while the 'legit' site ( has been and continues to be down, the mirror site has outlived any 'legal action' the owner of PH had taken. I have never used PH before so I am unaware of any merits the site may have. Thankfully we have good alternatives in soccerway and the likes. LRD 03:35, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, but I have been dealing with many players that soccerway doesn´t have cause they only cover the last 7-8 seasons, and for players from the past has been often the only source with stats from the 1970s, 80s, 90s. I used it a lot and I miss it very much. Their search engine has been one of the most helpfull tools for me for finding careers of retired players. is also helpfull, but includes much less statistical data of appearances and goals. FkpCascais (talk) 06:26, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Which other sources do you use for career statistics? I use soccerway in general - good overview layout that's easy for updates - but as you said, the data is limited to more recent years. Soccerbase is good for English league players but they too suffer from the same problem as soccerway. is my to-go-to for French league players. For international stats, there's NFT but their data is sometimes inaccurate or incomplete. What do you use for players from the Balkans as presumably you are from the region, and are there any good sources for older generation or retired players? cheers. LRD 06:46, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I can't confirm, but I think that he didn't play for FK Sloga Kraljevo, I give less than 1% that he played for. See his interview. There are too fake sources, maybe I can ask some older people, but I don't believe thay remember players from that time. Lotom (talk) 9:03, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Igraci klubova iz devedesetih godina[edit]

Ne znam zasto si se zaustavio sa trazenjem podataka o igracima klubova u sezonama devedesetih godina. Ako imas vremena nastavi sa trazenjem podataka o tim igracima, a ja sam te pitao zasto si se zaustavio sa trazenjem tih podataka. Jolicnikola (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Nisam se zaustavio, bas naprotiv, prosle nedelje sam poceo da popunjavam u sandboxu timove iz 90-tih. Jel na to mislis? FkpCascais (talk) 21:11, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Invitation for discussion: Serbia national basketball team[edit]

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G'day Fkp. I suggest asking User:XrysD on Commons to make what is needed. Excellent map maker, uses good quality source maps. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 22:20, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the suggestion. I think we may need at least two better maps than the ones we have on commons, one for the Serbian Empire, and another one for the territories ruled by Louis the Great. FkpCascais (talk) 14:15, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

László Fenyvesi[edit]

I'm trying to find some sources, but there aren't any as far as I can see. If I find any I'll send them to you. Good day! PeppermintSA (talk) 17:34, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Bulgarian vassalage[edit]

Hi, I noticed you added some info to the articles on a couple of articles about a vassal relationship between Bulgaria and Serbia. You've used a single source and I failed to find the statement from it that backs up such an extraordinary claim. I am really unsure if sources agree on long-lasting vassalage as you suggest. While there is no question of Ivan Stefan being a puppet of Serbia, he was quickly dethroned. I fail to see any sources backing up claims of Ivan Alexander being a vassal. A royal marriage is hardly a proof of vassalage. And where did the year 1365 come from? I see you have specifically searched for the words "Bulgaria, vassal, Dushan" in order to come up with the source. My own search produced a dozen of books non of which supported the claim of a 34-year-long vassalage. --Laveol T 03:55, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I actually started searching those wordsd because they are the translation of a schoolbook I have in Croatian so I went out seing what it has about it on English. I am not sure why you are not seing this source opening to a page (8 lines from the bottom) where you can read: "But in 1330, the Serbs... ...stretching from the Danube to the gulf of Arta, and including Bulgaria as a vassal state, 1331-1365." I suppose that fact is not much insisted by neither Serbs nor Bulgarians because it ruins our friendly relations and it doesn't mean much neither for the Serbs as it all ended badly with Dushans death and Ottoman invasion, but there are plenty of indications Bulgaria was vassal of Serbia after the Battle of Velbazhd: it didn't lost territory not because Dushan didn't wanted Bulgaria, but because it became vassal, and Bulgarian patriarch didn't crowned him because he fancied Dushan but because he was his suzeraign. Its quite late in the place I am, Lisbon (4:27 in the morning), and I haven't slep yet, but tomorrow I plan to dig more into this. The search I made using Dushan is not good because there are different spellings, however, anyway, I found that there is too little written about Serbia - Bulgaria relationship in that period in both Serbian and Bulgarian articles. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 04:28, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
I beleave I also used this source which says (pag. 35 by the middle): "Bulgarias tsar, whose sister Dushan had married, became his vassal." but this one doesn't mention the years as the previous one does. FkpCascais (talk) 04:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Good relations have never stopped Bulgaria and Serbia from whitewashing their history or claiming superiority one over the other :) However, the whole vassal thing does look rather unlikely. Especially with Bulgaria waging its separate wars during the period. And even more so with Ivan Aleksandar keeping the title of Tsar. The book's preview does not include the page with the text you mention. The years are sometimes listed as the period in which Ivan Alexander reigned. This is the only possible explanation I can find. From what I see of the page, it reads, "it boundaries stretched from the Danube on the North to the gulf of Arda and the channel of Euboea on the South;" There is nothing about "..., including Bulgaria".
I will remove the statement for now. It looks like a fringe view and it is not even backed up by any sources. The situation with Serbia and Bulgaria is already mentioned in the articles, too. --Laveol T 04:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
"But in 1330, the Serbs... ...stretching from the Danube to the gulf of Arta, and including Bulgaria as a vassal state, 1331-1365."
Every source I added include it, and now there are at least 5 sources clearly talking about Bulgarian vassalage to Serbia, perhaps you missed the page, not sure. I listed them at the talk page of Second Bulgarian Empire. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 00:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi there, first of all - sorry if this is not the appropriate form to contact you. In the late years I become more and more curious regarding the truth behind this vassal statement. You're right that all these sources state one and the same thing. The thing is, however, the these sources are not in fact historical sources. They are 20th century historical analyses, every single one if which do not put any real link to a de facto historical anal/chronicle/something that proves that statement. So if you're aware of such one I will really appreciate if you share it with me and ultimately prove your point :-) . Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baluan (talkcontribs) 18:25, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

SL East[edit]

Ma mogao si meni da ostaviš ubacio bih ja to sve ovih dana, nego se trudim da vodim neku evidenciju koliko-toliko, gde, ko, šta, kako... Ima i onih koji nisu više pod ugovorom sa klubom, a vode se da su na pozajmici, pa dok to isproveravam i iščeprkam... Opet ponavljam, vodim neku evidenciju za sebe, jer drugačije ne bih mogao da se snađem. Ima još nekoliko starih transfera + SL istok. Pitanje da li bi Bonsu debitovao da Neško nije došao, jer ga je Bekvalac držao u nemilosti, a Čapljić skoro da i nije bio na klupi. Neško ga je trenirao u Radniku i već ga poznaje. Za Vujnovića me je prešao komentator na Areni, pa nisam ni obraćao pažnju, a jedva sam i gledao na oči... Za Čolovića iz OFK-a koliko sam mogao da nađem razdvojeno, to sam i ubacio. Njih trojica su debitovali u JSL sad za vikend, sve do sada je sređeno. Treba da ubacim još ove nove igrače koji fale po klubovima i da sredim statistiku posle ovog kola. JSL i PLS održavamo koliko-toliko redovno, ja pokušavam pomalo i srpske like, ali sporo to ide, nema se vremena, a nije baš preterano zanimljivo. Uglavnom moja Sloga već ispada iz lige, nažalost. Lotom (talk) 6:38, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Video sam sta si sve uradio, stvarno fantastican posao radis. Onaj lik sa je stvarno jako koristan jer jedino kod njega mozemo da nadjemo sve podatke kod igraca svih sezona od 2001. do sada. Steta samo sto izbrise sve igrace koji odu, ranije je ostavljao sve stare profile igraca, ali sad ih brise, pa bi bilo dobro da kad dodajemo njegov sajt kao izvor stavimo i "retrieved" jer ako igrac ode vani, posle ce biti mrtav link. Jedino mu zameran sto mesta rodjenja ubacuje bezveze, recimo za tog Vujnovica stoji Obrenovac jer mu je obrenovacki Radnicki prvi klub kod njega u bazi podataka a decko je dosao iz CG cak je tamo grao za neke klubove kao junior secam se da sam negde bas o njemu citao pre godinu dana. To mu bas zameram, ne znam sta ga kosta da ostavi prazno polje za mesto rodjenja kod igraca za koje ne zna. Za Colovica nisam jos nasao njegove nastupe za Svajcarsku U17, imao sam negde taj link sacuvan naci cu ga. Bonsu je igrao za Ganu na tom CHAN-u kako ga zovu a to su kao B reprezentacije, odnosno prvenstvo africkih reprezentacija sastavljenih samo od igraca iz domacih liga. FkpCascais (talk) 10:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Pratim tvoju Slogu, bas ste pukli skroz ove sezone :( FkpCascais (talk) 10:09, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Ne bih da se mešam puno. Zapazio sam slučajno, naravno da srbijafudbal taj sajt nema sve pod jedan i pod dva nije sigurno validan za sve. Postoje godišnjaci. Ja imam do 2008/09 sezone ovih par novijih nemam jbg. Javite se, ako vam treba neki info za domaću ligu, to se barem lako može srediti. Mors (talk) 23:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Nekako sam nakrpio sve ono glavno od transfera što je falilo, za D. Kadrića iz Pazara sam okačio dodatak štampane verzije Žurnalovog dodatka za naše niže lige, ali dosta je ,,težak" fajl, pa google ne može da ga prikaže. Stavio sam da je pozajmica, mada nije greška kako god, jer im je to filijala. Jedino je pitanje da li je još uvek tamo, ali sad... Možda fali još ponešto, dodaćemo naknadno. Ubaciću na stranicama klubova ove pozajmice koje su nam poznate.
Mors, hvala i od mene, svaki vid pomoći je dobrodošao. Lotom (talk) 8:41, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


Pozdrav svaka čast za ovo Dobar posao ali ima grešaka, jer naravno ko vredno radi mora da pogreši. Ovo sam ja pokrenuo sajt, uradio sam za sad prvu sezonu biće i ostale: (a inače sam i ja uploader one knjige Bačke što si koristio kao izvor ;) ) Zanima me odakle ti postava S.A.Š.K., tj igrači, i drugo što htedoh da pitam, čini mi se da nije sve sa sajta povijestdinama ili grešim? Kasnije za Iliriju pominješ V. Župančič, E. Župančič, odakle ti to? Ja imam info sledeći, bilo je 5 Župančiča (obično su označeni I, II, III, IV i V). Četiri su bila braća M.,L.,J. i G. Župančič i peti je D. Župančič što je i kod tebe. Zato te pitam za ovo V i E mi nije jasno. :) Ima tu još greškica (prvo ovo za Građanski što uključuje nastupe u ZNP) pa do imena i prezimena još ali otom potom. Svaka čast inače za ostatak. Javi se, pa ono. Imam dosta toga. Mors (talk) 23:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Veliki pozdrav Mors, bas mi je drago da ste me kontaktirali. Ja vas znam sa foruma ex yu fudbal u kojem ne ucestvujem ali ga pratim. Ne ucestvujem ne zato sto ne zelim, naprotiv, nego zato sto nemam vremena, a mnogo puta sam hteo da se logujem I pitam svasta. Mrdju I vas redovno citam. Vama sam par puta bas hteo da odgovorim, mislim da je zadnji put bilo kad ste pitali, ako se ne varam, o Strnadu a ja sam mu bas bio napravio clanak ovde mozda par meseci pre nego sto ste tamo pitali o njemu. Znam da ste uradili fantastican rad sa sajtom povijestdinama, svaka vam cast.
Ja sam poceo da editujem vikipediju pre jedno 5-6 godina. editujem skoro iskljucivo englesku vikipediju. Moj pristup je nesto drugaciji od vecine drugih nasih ljudi, jer je meni glavni cilj da prikazujem nas fudbal ostatku sveta, ne toliko nasima. Tome je doprineo moj zivotni put. U Spaniji I Portugalu sam jos od 1988. godine. Fudbal obozavam od malena, I naravno besprekorno sam pratio nase igrace u inostranstvu. Veliki uticaj na mene je imao nacin gledanja na fudbal koji postoji na Iberijskom poluostrvu. Oni se hvale stranim igracima koji radje igraju u njihovim klubovima nego u boljim klubovima u svojim zemljama (smatraju to kao moc Spanije i Portugala prema drugim zemljama "mi vam dovodimo najbolje igrace, jer mozemo", potpuno obrnuto od nas koji gledamo na strance skoro kao neprijatelje koji oduzimaju mesto nasima i ne shvatamo njihovo prisustvo kao plus za nasu ligu i zemlju (steta sto vlada takav negospodski mentalitet kod nas). To je meni odmah dalo signal da je cinjenica da mi izvozimo tolike igrace u sustini jedan jadan podatak, i tada sam se preokrenuo sa lista nasih igraca po inostranstvu (koje skoro svaki balavac kod nas pravi), na liste stranih igraca u ex-Jugi jer, ipak ih je bilo i nekih cak veoma dobrih i interesantnih. Mogu da se pohvalim time da sam mozda prvi u svetu koji je napravio detaljniju listu stranih igraca u celoj bivsoj Jugoslaviji i naravno tu listu i dalje popunjavam. Posto sam popunio vecinu pos-90-tih I SFRJ period, bacio sam se na skupljanje spiskova igraca iz pre drugog svetskog rata. I tu sam naravno ne samo jurio strance, nego poceo da pravim spiskove timova jer sam video da toga nigde na internet nema. Sto se predratnog fudbala tice, na vikipediji kad sam poceo da editujem sam nasao situaciju da je samo bilo profila glavnih predratnih jugoslovenskih reprezentativaca i skoro apsolutno nista vise od toga. Napravio sam brojne clanke klubova koje su mi posle prekopirali na sr,hr,si, vikipedije, kao i igraca. Tako da je moj prvenstveni interes strani igraci i treneri kod nas. Ali naravno to mi je samo prentsveni interes, inace interesuje me sve. :)
Sto se konkretno tog sandboxa tice, svestan sam da ima gresaka. Koristim sve zivo sto mogu preko internet da se docepam kao izvore. Koristio sam vas sajt za podatke o Gradjanskim, koristio sam knjigu "Fudbal u Kraljevini Jugoslaviji" za mnoge klubove (problem je sto recimo u knjizi nabraja sastav tima ali samo pise godina, recimo 1937. i onda covek ne zna da li je 1936/37 ili 1937/38 sezona. Slovenacke i mnoge druge sastave sam preuzeo preko digitaalizacije slovenckih novena iz tog perioda na kojima su imali izvestaje utakmica lige i naravno detaljno uvek o utakmicama Ilirije, Primorja, odnosno kasnije, SK Ljubljane. SASKove sastave sam preuzeo iz nekog od tih izvora (zavisi od sezone). Izvore sam stavio na pocetak svake sezone, jedino fali knjiga Fudbal u K. Jugoslaviji koja vazi kao izvor za mnoge timove raznih sezona. Digitalnu Politiku sam takodje dosta prelistao mada mi fali mnogo jos da prelistam. U Lisabonu sam pa ovde ima samo pristup stvarima koje su na internetu. Ako znate jos stranaca iz tog perioda koji mi fale na List of foreign footballers in top leagues of former Yugoslavia kazite mi i bicu vam vecno zahvalan. Racunam i strance koji su igrali u podsaveznim prvim ligama, a i u ratnim ligama. Kazite mi greske koje imam na sandbox i trenere, a inace na ovoj strani imam listu izvora User:FkpCascais/Sandbox17. Takodje me inturesuju eoma devedesete u FR Jugoslovenkoj prvoj ligi (njih isto pravim po sezonama ali sam tek poceo, cupavo ide User:FkpCascais/Sandbox40. Cij mi je jednog dana da imam celu bazu podataka, barem za prvu ligu, od 1923 pa sve do sada, ako moguce za sve lige. Srdacan pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 01:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Prvo samo ispravka nije moj sajt, jer ja nemam veze sa Dinamom ja sam iz Srbije, to je delo mog kolege (u ovom hobiju) iz Zagreba Tomislava Piskora i njegovih ljudi! Mada priznajem da sam malčice i ja pripomogao oko ispravki nekih greškica itd. I nisam ja pitao o Strandu, pomešali ste me sa nekim. Hvala na lepim rečima. Što se tiče tog foruma ima dosta svakakog sveta, pokrenuo sam ovaj sajt pa ako ste zainteresovani da se pridružite, uvek je potreban dodatna ruka. Ne volim ovu wikipediju i kucanje, komunikaciju tu. Iako sam vrlo računarski pismen, čak i za nekog ko nije izgleda više komplikovano nego što treba i da iskreno kažem dosađuje. Moj mejl je pa mi se obratite molim vas na mejl da nastavimo razgovor bio bih vam zahvalan, pa ću vam objasniti još neke stvarčice itd. Svako dobro Mors (talk) 19:03, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Zima 2015[edit]

Napravio sam transfer listu u sandbox-u, pa kad se završi polusezona da složimo klubove po rangu i da pretvorimo u članak. Lotom (talk) 17:03, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Super! Za sada znam samo za Vidakovića koji je napustio Novi Pazar. FkpCascais (talk) 21:49, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Информација о предмету[edit]

Поштовани уредниче, у вези са страницом око македонског спора са Грчком, неке информације можете наћи и на страници за разговор [9] . поздрав, (talk) 12:15, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Gospodine Janev, ja moram odmah da vam kažem da ja ne posedujem ni približno dovoljno poznavanje ove problematike da bih se uopste usudio da pišem o njoj. Sve što sam vam odgovorio na drugim stranama je bilo samo da vam pomognem oko principa i zakona vikipedije da bi ste mogli da dodate što želite a da vam ga ne izbrišu, i indirektno sam vam hteo reći da je najbolje da sami dodate sve u članak. Ako imate izvore i ako dodate tekst napisan na neutralan način, neće niko moći da vam ga izbriše. Vidim da su vas kaznili zbog sockpuppetry tako da mogu da vam izbrišu to što dodate, ali pogledajte ako može neki kolega vaš koji ima isti pogled na ovu problematiku kao i vi, sa neke druge IP adrese da uredi članak. Ja lično uređujem najviše relativno površne teme kao istoriju fudbala sa naših prostora i ponekad nešto vezano za teme iz Srbije i bivše Jugoslavije, a pored toga takođe pomažem oko sporova između urednika sa različitim stavovima da nađu dogovor i da svoja uređivanja približe vikipedijskom standardu i zakonima. Manji broj ljudi uređuje ovako specifične političke članke kao što je ovaj o kojem govorimo. Mali broj urednika ga uređuje jer ima interes i znanje o toj tematici, a onda postoji veći broj urednika koji samo uređuju detalje unutar članka. Ti što imaju interes o toj tematici vrlo često ga uređuju na način koi se podudara sa njihovim ličnim pogledom, tako da zbog toga mnogi članci mogu da budu tendenciozni i da ne prikažu realnost kompletno. Kao što ti urednici uređuju članak na njihov način, tako je najbolje da vi nađete nekoga sa vremenom, znanjem i istim pogledom na temu kao vi, i uredite članak. Ja mogu da vam pomognem koliko mogu oko vikipedijinih principa i zakona, pa da tekst koji dodate ne bude mogao da bude izbrisan i da adekvatno predstavlja ovu problematiku. Srdačan pozdrav, FkpCascais (talk) 22:51, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Dragi uredniče, osoba koja Vam se javila nije Igor Janev, a takođe ni ja nisam Igor Janev. U svakom slučaju, veliko Vam hvala na savetima.

Ako Igor Janev promeni odluku i bude hteo da se postavi na Vikipediju, uzećemo u obzir sve Vaše Savete , pozdrav i najbolje želje212.200.218.133 (talk) 01:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Hvala Vama, srdačan pozdrav, FkpCascais (talk) 09:56, 27 November 2014 (UTC)


Negde u martu ove godine učestovao si u diskusiji o delu članka "Rat na Kosovu". Tada je zaključeno da ovaj sporni deo treba poništiti.

Međutim, korisnik koji ti je verovatno poznat, je nenadano i bez ikakvog razloga vratio taj sporni i veoma neobjektivan deo.

Zamolio bih te kao iskusnog urednika da nam se priključiš u diskusiji i da obavestiš, ako možeš, ikoga ko bi mogao da gore pomenutog korisnika upozori na takvo ponašanje. Video sam da on ima neke svoje stavove koje protura kada misl da ga nikoo ne gleda.

Hvala unapred. (talk) 09:28, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Vladimir Stojković[edit]

Olá meu caro, tudo bem? Aqui o antigo AlwaysLearning, fiz destruir a conta depois de uma desavença (para não lhe chamar outra coisa) com um cabrão por causa da 2014 UEFA Europa League Final, esse "senhor" tinha a certeza que o Benfica tinha sido roubado e vandalizou tudo (ele e outros, pelos menos os IPs vinham de duas cidades nesses messes entre Maio e Julho) no Michel Platini, etc, etc.

Um dos mais imbecis (atenção, até pode ser só um, pode ter ido passar férias à casa da avozinha) foi este, vê esta discussão nojenta (aqui e o que ele escreveu no nome do Beto (Portuguese footballer, born 1982) (aqui,_born_1982)&diff=621282219&oldid=620829402). Depois, quando eu disse que me ia embora, ia às páginas onde eu tinha escrito e provocava, dizendo "Bye AL"...palhaço de merda!

Bom, mas o que é facto é não consigo abandonar isto, devo estar "viciado" :) Sobre o título da minha mensagem, quantas internacionalizações é que tem o homem, 59, 58, 57? Só sei que: 1 - o jogo com a Albânia, de momento, encontra-se em "banho-maria", se o jogo for mesmo anulado após recurso, a "cap" não contará, mas há utilizadores que continuam a alterar o total a toda a hora, sem sumário como é habitual; 2 - Segundo o, são 55 jogos pela Sérvia (+1 jogo não homologado).

Obrigado desde já, um abraço português -- (talk) 17:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Não sei se percebeste, mas os insultos não foram para ti, foram para o gajo que se meteu comigo, o tal Não percebo o silêncio se estás activo aqui, mas não incomodo mais. Tchau! -- (talk) 02:10, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Percebi, claro :) nao te preocupes, ee so que estou a ter problemas com um gajo que fiz queixa dele a ANI e estou com pouco tempo agora, mas prometo ver isto, se bem que nem sei bem como ficou isso quanto ao jogo contra a Albania, se o jogo conta ou nao. FkpCascais (talk)

Obrigado, e desculpa mais uma vez as pressas :( -- (talk) 02:35, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Straw Poll[edit]

There is a straw poll that may interest you regarding the proper use of "Religion =" in infoboxes of atheists.

The straw poll is at Template talk:Infobox person#Straw poll.

--Guy Macon (talk) 09:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Kosovo at the Olympics[edit]

Template:Infobox Olympics Kosovo
Kosovo Serb athletes participated for Serbia and SCG/Yugoslavia. in 2012, a Kosovar Albanian participated for Albania, meaning that the OCK was represented under the Albanian flag.

It's not about which country Kosovo was, because in that case, from 2008 Kosovo did not participate at the Olympics, however Serbians from Kosovo participated for Serbia.

--PjeterPeter (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Kosovo[edit] — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:18, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Richard Falcão[edit]

Ko je ovaj lik? Provlači se da je pristupio Pazaru, ali nisam siguran da je to još zvanično. Lotom (talk) 18:21, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Video sam i ja. Isto ne znam je li zvanično ili je samo najavljen. FkpCascais (talk) 21:25, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of FK AFK Ada[edit]

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Kosovo at the Olympics (part 2)[edit]

Majlinda Kelmendi is Kosovar athlete that participated under the Albanian flag in 2012, and therefore the flag of Albania remains in the infobox. If you decide to revert the edits, I will report this as a Wikipeda dispute resolution. Kosovo will participate as an independent country in the 2016 Rio Games, and therefore its history is written below at the 'Other Appearances'. Cheers. --PjeterPeter (talk) 17:27, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Kelmendi participated on her own will under Albanian flag. But WE ARE NOT adding all flags of all athletes that decide on their own to participate for some other country, as an entire country "related participation". Numerous Kenyans compete in the Olympics for other nations, and that doesn't make those countries "related participations" of Kenya. Related participations are for countries within which the athletes competed officially in the qualifiers. Teams from Kosovo didn't participate in the Albanian qualifiers for the Olympics. You don't undertand what "related participation" is. FkpCascais (talk)


I was recently doing some more cleanup of Zombie433 edits and came across this comment of yours. Since no one appears to have followed up on it, I thought I would. At this point, I'm fairly convinced that this user is not Zombie433. This is mostly based on the subject of articles edited. Zombie did not have the same singular focus on Malaysian football that Faisalamries does. Additionally, Zombie was never so persistent in reinstating the false edits. (It's how they managed to get away with it for so long.) I thought I'd let you know. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Sir Sputnik, I myself later on noticed the attention Faisalamries gave to Malaysian football and started having doubts that it could be Zombie, although I didn't made any further comments there on the thread anymore. Hope you had nice holydays, best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 04:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Keisuke Ogawa[edit]

I guess you took information about Ogawa playing for FK Liepāja from Instat football of Latvian Higher League, but they made a mistake. The only Japanese player who played for FK Liepāja in 2014 was Keisuke Hoshino. Ogawa was in Latvia in 2013 while playing for FC Jūrmala but has never returned since. Check Soccerway, Transfermarkt or any other statistics resource for evidence. Cheers and best regards!

--LatvianFootball (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

LatvianFootball, check Soccerway? Yes, I checked. Did you checked it? They clearly say he played one game for FK Leipaja on 29-3-2014 against BFC Daugavpils. FkpCascais (talk) 19:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Keisuke Ogawa precision[edit]

It's meant Keisuke Hoshino there, not Ogawa. Soccerway has made a mistake following Instat. Check out FK Liepāja squad for the 2014 season on the website of Latvian Football Federation. Ogawa was never there, Hoshino it is. (I also watched the match for double proof!) :)

--LatvianFootball (talk) 22:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Kosovo at the Olympics[edit]

Set the record straight:

  • 1. The Albanian flag stays in at the infobox, because Majlinda Kelmendi who was originally qualified for Kosovo (but wasn't able to participate) had to choose Albania. Therefore, a Kosovo-qualified Olympian participated under the Albanian flag, due to the resistance from the IOC to recognise Kosovo.
  • 2. If you remove the Albanian flag, you have to automatically remove Serbia as well, because Kosovo has been independent de facto since 2008, before the 2008 Summer Olympics took place, and that independence has been recognised by the IOC as well.

Now I can assume your decision, but think twice; this is about the athletes, not countries. Albania stays in.. Serbia as well. Cheers. --PjeterPeter (talk) 21:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Next revert of your and I will ask for your blocking. Your edits are not agreed, you are edit-warring, I am fed up. If you continue edit-warring I will report you at ANI. Please, seek dispute resolution or 3OP if you are so convinced of your arguments. FkpCascais (talk) 23:05, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Reasons why the Albanian flag must mentain in the infobox[edit]

If you've missed my reply, I'll copy it here, just for you.

Albania should be included in the infobox for the following reasons:
  1. Following Kosovo's independence and the IOC's resistance to recognise Kosovo, athletes born there, decided to participate under the flags of Serbia and Albania. Therefore, if the Serbian flag stays in the infbox, the Albanian one should as well, as those were the official other-related appearances of Kosovo's athletes (and let's not forget that the basic rule of the Olympics is that the competition is about the athletes, not their countries of origin).
  2. If the Albanian flag is removed from the infobox, because *apparently* you can't add athlete's personal choices' countries, then you should remove Serbia as well, because de facto Kosovo was not part of Serbia since February 2008 (before the 2008 Summer Olympics)
  3. This case is similar to the Independent Olympic Team appearance. Basically if athletes from one country can't participate for their country (like Kosovar athletes for Kosovo), they participate under ANOTHER flag, in this case the IOP; and if the IOP flag is added to the infobox, the Albanian one should as well.
This is enough explanation needed for someone who understands. --PjeterPeter (talk) 15:30, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
I didn't missed you reply, you are the one not understanding what "related participations" are. No, we re NOT adding athletes personal choices otherwise because that is NOT what "related participations" are. Related participations are the COIs which the territory belonged. Kosovo territory by all means Olympically belonged to the mentioned countries EXCEPT Albania. I am waiting for a reasonse and I am reporting you, I am fed up. FkpCascais (talk) 15:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
And don't delete previous discussions! FkpCascais (talk) 15:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
FkpCascais Go ahead. And your version seems to fail to be even considered. So, what you're saying is that the Albanian flag should not be added because Kosovo did not belong to Albania? Well, indeed, Kosovo did not belong to Albania, but did Kosovo belong to the IOC flag? Was Kosovo a part of a IOC country? NOPE! It was because Kosovo was not allowed to participate (or other countries, or FR Yugoslavia) and they participated under the flag of the Olympics, because it's about the ATHLETES. So if you're removing Albania, basically you're removing the IOC flag as well, because, apparently, Kosovo was part of an IOC country. What an ideology, I can't even find a proper sarcastic word to describe your filthy nationalism. --PjeterPeter (talk) 15:43, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

The Weight of Chains 2[edit]

You might be interested in taking a look at this discussion regarding The Weight of Chains 2. --UrbanVillager (talk) 01:00, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Olympics Kosovo[edit]

Protected for a month. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 06:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks CambridgeBayWeather. I will try to discuss it with him, we already started at the talk-page. But if we don't archive some consensus, he will most certainly reinsert the edit again a few days after the protection expires, as he always did, so I will have to think of some form of dispute resolution that could be adequate for this case (for exemple DR, 3O...). We have been in circles with this for months already. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 14:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Re the whole patriarchy thing[edit]

So in short, the Metropolitan of Karlovci was declared "Serbian Patriarch" in 1848 by the May Assembly, without anyone's recognition - including the Metropolitan of Belgrade. As far as the Ecumenical Patriarchate was concerned, Josif Rajačić was still just the Metropolitan of the Karlovci Metropolitanate, under the direct authority of the Ecumenical Patriarch. I don't think even the Emperor (whose baron he was) recognized him as such, being very Catholic.

But what bothers me (now that I've been pestered into this) is that the very name "Patriarchate of Karlovci" makes no fundamental sense. You can not be the "patriarch" of Srijemski Karlovci :). You can only be "Patrijarh srpski", and as far as I can tell - that is, in fact, what the metropolitans of Karlovci called themselves after 1848. Not "Patriarch of Karlovci"..

I'm also reasonably certain that the modern-day Serbian Orthodox Church does not recognize the Karlovci "patriarchs" as having been such. They are perfectly legitimate and on good terms with the Ecumenical Patriarchate (unlike a number of other Orthodox churches), and I'm sure they would never insist on the legality of something the Ecumenical Patriarchate can never agree to. And they can't, as it would fundamentally undermine their position as the only ones who can grant autocephaly...

Am I missing something here? What is the basis for claiming that the Serbian Orthodox Church existed at that time? Is it really only just the declaration of the May Assembly? -- Director (talk) 14:25, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Are we sure he belonged to the Karlovci Metropolitanate? Or are we just assuming that because of the map of the jurisdictions? That is what I was wondering for some days now. FkpCascais (talk) 14:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, all Orthodox priests of the Serbian rite in the Austrian Empire belonged to the Metropolitanate of Karlovci in the Serbian Vojvodina, that's just common knowledge... Who else would they belong to? -- Director (talk) 14:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't know. I am just talking this with you. Isnt possible that the Belgrade Metropolinate sent him to Smiljan? FkpCascais (talk) 14:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Not at all. Put these things into context: this is the Austrian Empire we're talking about, a 160 years ago. They wouldn't let the Turkish-controlled Metropolitanate of Belgrade (or worse - the Russian-dominated Metropolitanate of Cetinje) send priests into their Military Frontier and let them hold office there... Especially Milutin Tesla, who was clearly a prominent man in his community and enjoyed the benefits of being well-placed in the bureaucratic system, like sending his son off to nice schools. I mean look at his photo, he's got a nice medal from the Empire and everything.
Proposed merge over at Metropolitanate of Karlovci. -- Director (talk) 15:09, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


Da li znaš gde bih mogao da iskopam neke izveštaje iz sezone 2010/11 albanske 2. lige? Setih se Marka Mijatovića, igrao je za Slogu jedne sezone, pa mi je palo napamet da mu napišem stranu, ali mi zato treba potvrda da se našao na terenu bar na jednoj utakmici. Koliko sam ispratio ta liga je fully-pro. Hvala unapred! Lotom (talk) 20:50, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Nisam siguran je li mogu da ti pomognem jer ti albanci nemaju ništa dobre sajtove. Za albansku ligu koristim isključivo soccerway a ima koji znam da donekle ima neke sezone, pogledaću dal ga imaju negde. FkpCascais (talk) 21:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Mrka kapa, nemaju ga niti Lushnju te sezone. FkpCascais (talk) 21:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


And here it is the allways anti-Serbian editor boby rainer :) I was wondering when were you going to start edit-warring here.
— User:FkpCascais 21:30, 21 January 2015

And remember, comment on content, not on contributors.
— User:FkpCascais 21:39, 21 January 2015

In future, it would be helpful if you followed the standards that you expect others to follow. bobrayner (talk) 21:52, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't complain to get this comments after calling me tendentious for no reason. FkpCascais (talk) 01:57, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Ahahahaha :) You replace an academical souce with facts by some delusional Noel Malcolm article (diff). Why is that you use Malcolm so much? Is it because only he makes such crazy claims? The Guardian should really be careful not to drop their level that much and publish such delusional garbage. Honestly... FkpCascais (talk) 03:12, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi! Can you proof the translation hidden in Ana Simonović and improve it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Sure. But where is the source? FkpCascais (talk) 00:58, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Miroslav Vulićević (overlink)[edit]

Not my problem that you don't know WP:OVERLINK. Your revert was considered vandalism. SLBedit (talk) 18:45, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I know very well overlink :) I even contributed in forming that policy years ago... -_- . FkpCascais (talk) 18:50, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
"Listen." I don't care about you, I care about Wikipedia. I explained in the edit summary: what you are mentioned is WP:REPEATLINK.
Per WP:OVERLINK: "What generally should not be linked" "the names of major geographic features and locations". You have a relation with Serbia and you claim to be a Sporting Lisbon fan. Curious. SLBedit (talk) 18:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
It does not matter if you are a vandal or not. I think you aren't though. That revert can be considered vandalism. SLBedit (talk) 19:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I am Serbian living since late 1980s in Cascais :D . I explained to you at your talk-page. I see Cristiano Ronaldo case. I will revert myself until I get this clarified. FkpCascais (talk) 19:03, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Good because I was going to report you for edit warrning. I hope you don't call someone related with Serbia. :) SLBedit (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
I will open a discussion about it and let you know. It really is not that important one article, the Vulićević one, but for instance, Adolf Hitler is a GA article, and has obviously one link to his nationality. So you are saying we should remove the links from Austria and Germans at the opening paragraph of his article? FkpCascais (talk) 19:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Why not? SLBedit (talk) 19:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Well, I challenge you to do that and see the discussion which will happened :D ... But talking seriously, I do think that each biography should have one link to the country of birth. One of course, not more. FkpCascais (talk) 19:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
I found that the IP is evading a block. It is a known IP troll that never signs posts. SLBedit (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Btw, Grobari and Juve Leo have one of the oldest friendships in Europe. :) You guys made friendship with Torcida of Hajduk Split, yeah, they are ok... FkpCascais (talk) 19:17, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
You mean No Name Boys. SLBedit (talk) 19:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Exactly. But the friendship between Partizan and Sporting goes beyond the fans, the direction boards are also allways present whenever there is some celebration and so. It all started with this: Sporting e Partizan defrontaram-se há 50 anos num jogo que mudou o futebol europeu. FkpCascais (talk) 19:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay. SLBedit (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Any news? SLBedit (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


Is this talk page deletion okay? Shouldn't IP keep it? SLBedit (talk) 19:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't see any reason for removing that comment. Comments should be removed only when trolling, clear vandalism or WP:NOTAFORUM but that question seems legit. FkpCascais (talk) 19:37, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh but it was him himself removing his own question... and no one got to answer. No problem then. FkpCascais (talk) 19:39, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

WW2 is indeed complex[edit]

Thanks for reaching an agreement even-though with doubts, I think it is normal to have doubts on WW2 because it is a mix of politics, war and history.

Of course, Albania is a small country and its contribution is modest and cannot be compared with Soviet Union or USA, but on the other hand I have also doubts that some countries listed as Allies, such as Luxemburg, Norway or Belgium or Czechoslovakia gave more resistance to the Axis than Albania :)

Your point that the partisans of Albania had very good relations with the Yugoslav partisans is correct. For example, in the establishment of the Communist Party of Albania there were two emissaries from the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, Dusan Mugosa and Miladin Popovic. Yugoslavia was the first country to recognize the new republic of Albania after the war and Yugoslavia helped Albania during the Peace Treaty. In addition they an signed economic agreement on common borders with Albania. However in 1949 the relations between Yugoslavia and Soviet Union worsened and the Albanian government sided with the Soviets. LupinoJacky (talk) 20:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I always wanted to expand the article Albanian resistance during World War II but never found proper time to dedicate myself to it. I understand the situation in Albania and among Albanians generally regarding WWII. For instance, even Balli Kombëtar had a dual role in the conflict. However, many Albanians welcomed the Axis. The new borders which included an expanded Albania obviously won many Albanians to their side. It is natural. Many Albanians actively participated in armed actions in Yugoslavia against forces which were Allied. This fact obviously puts in shadow Albanian resistance and doesn't allow us in adding Albania as Allied nation as undisputed fact. I support you if everything is neutrally presented and sourced. Initially I got the impression that you were cherry-picking the sources, but it is OK, since you wanted to make a point (and you did canvass many people to participate in the discussion lol, but even that is OK, you are new here and I agree that as much people can participate, the better). I apologise for not having been able to promptly provide you sources for my claims, but these days my time is a bit limited. Lets see what other editors have to say. I will keep an eye on the article and discussions whenever I can. Hope it all turns well. FkpCascais (talk) 20:58, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Sure there were individual that liked Axis ideas, but they were not a majority. Pro-Axis individuals existed in all states, including USA, Soviet Union. There was even an army of Russians that fought for Axis Russian Liberation Army. However, the vast majority of Albanian people united under the communist partisans, against the Axis. That is verifiable by the number of soldiers in the Albanian National Liberation, compared to other formations. And also the elections post-war that were won by a majority by the communists prove that they had the support of the majority of Albanians. The same case might not have been in Kosovo, Albanians there might have been more in favor of Axis because of the German propaganda on uniting Albania with Kosovo. We should not mix the Albanians in Kosovo with the Albanians in Albania during WW2, since they belong to different countries. I doubt that for political reasons some neighboring countries (e.g. Greece) emphasized the Albanian pro-Axis collaboration, in order to use that as an excuse for territorial claims. In that respect, they tried to shadow the pro-Ally contribution of Albania. For instance, Greece used WW2 and Albanian collaborators as an excuse to mass deport Albanians living in Northern Greece (Cham population), and to request that the south of Albania be attached to Greece. But this is politics and we better focus only on the facts of the war. Honestly, I got a bit tired of all this. On one hand, it is nice to make a point, on the other hand it is exhausting :) LupinoJacky (talk) 22:06, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry. At time I answered you here I was unaware that now you even deny Albania was part of the Axis. Yes, Albania was an Allied country and had nothing to do with Axis, oh it was occupied... come on. So how then Albanians occupied and fought against Yugoslav Allied forces during the war? Sorry, you went too far. I had good faith, but the fact is that even the argument of Albania participating in the Paris Conference and thus being somehow Allied is very weak. FkpCascais (talk) 22:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
According to the ideas of LJ even Germany and Italy would be classified as Allies. Face-smile.svg The Banner talk 16:36, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. Unfortunately seems that we are facing users that have a clear agenda and are capable of doing everything in order to archive it. They don't care about sources, they just care convincing everyone their true is the right one. Not sure where this is going nor how it will end but is becoming extremely frustrating and a waste of energy and time. Unfortunately there are not more editors wanting to get involved. FkpCascais (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps we should do what they threatened to do: bring this to AN/I. Or would there be any standing order from the ArbCom suitable for this case? The Banner talk 21:48, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Wish I knew. At least they are not edit warring anymore. Lets see what will happened next days. FkpCascais (talk) 02:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, LJ nailed himself by escalating that. Now let see what is going to happen with mr. G. I expect a quite retreat out of the limelight. The Banner talk 10:29, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I just hope they don't edit-war. It was great that actually some admins had the time and patience to see what was happening and intervene, because, as you well know, often cases such as this end up being misinterpreted as legit content disputes. It was clear vandalism actually, they just repeated the same argument over and over again, and did you noticed how they lied without any shame how all other editors agreed with them, oh lord... I just don't understand why Vanjagenije insists so much in wanting to save LJ, I guess he just came near the end and didn't had a full vision of all that happened during this discussions. FkpCascais (talk) 02:10, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Sigh, now QTeuta starts the whole mess once again. The Banner talk 00:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
User:The Banner, I wasn't around for a few hours and just returned and saw how one admin closed the thread thinking that it is content dispute... That really sucks regarding Wikipedia, admins often don't have time to analise everything and just go by the easiest solution. Many editors got banned for quite less of what QTeuta did and I saw many cases of admins being quite harsh on editors that refuse to drop the matters. At least if he stays away from actually editing the articles, and keeps on just writing the same old story just in the talk pages, then he doesn't create that much disruption. But if he does make changes to the article similar to the ones which got LJ blocked for, we can maybe talk to the admin who imposed the sanction to LJ and make a parallel between the two. Without any new sources, QTeuta should not touch the articles as clearly all of us editors that participated in the discussions disagreed with him, so we can firmly say that there is a consensus against them (the only editors agreeing with them were the 3 Albanian new editors LJ, QTeuta and Gjirokastra15). Also, this comment LJ made regarding me actually makes me believe he already used sockpuppets before as those discussions happened quite some time ago and how could he knew about them in any different way if not directly involved under another account? He went trough my contributions? Naaah, he would have needed to go duzens of pages back in my contributions digging to get there and spend much time, doubt it. PS: Their attitude and their way of discussing and dealing with opposing editors in discussions was really what got me most into this, the level of manipulation and arrogance is unbelievable. FkpCascais (talk) 02:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
I already did that: User_talk:Nick-D#Albania. We have no choice than to wait and see. The Banner talk 09:39, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


It may be a good idea to update pictures. The main picture should be some purebred dog, dog show champion or similar. I'm not sure if the dog on picture (inside the infobox) is a purebred at all. Next, it may be a good idea to include some picture of Yugoslav military dogs. Yugoslav army bred more dogs than all other breeders together. I provided some URLs (check talk page for Sharplaninac). Re picture for infobox, there is a photo at Macedonian Wikipedia:Шарпланинец#mediaviewer/File:Sharplaninec_22.jpg The dog at Serbian Wikipedia is also a purebred one - I don't have time and knowledge to play with pictures and Wikipedia licensing issues, so your help would be appreciated. Thank you! --N Jordan (talk) 07:38, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I fully support your edits there. However, unfortunately I also don't have any knolledge in bringing pics here. I never even tried to upload any exactly because of the same reasons you mentioned, the copyrights, licensing and that. Lately regarding pictures all I did was to explore the categories of the already existing pictures on commons and choose the best and more appropriate ones (I did it with airlines and planes, in this case of the Sharplaninac it would correspond to this one FkpCascais (talk) 19:09, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
How to link pictures from other Wikipedia projects. E.g. there is a picture on Macedonian Wikipedia but I don't know how to show that picture on English wiki. I checked, some people simply scan pictures from the magazines and declare them as their own work. E.g. and Jordan (talk) 19:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
I also wanted to use pictures from other Wikipedias but I noticed it was not possible to link them directly, so I gave up, I really don't know if it is possible to bring them here to I am really a zero regarding pictures, all I know is how to use the available ones. FkpCascais (talk) 19:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Martin Hristov (footballer, born 1997):[edit]

I was not asking to delete the article for notability but for the fact that it is a duplicate article. Here: Hristov Martin. Wgolf (talk) 23:04, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Wgolf you were absolutely right. I was editing in a rush and I assumed it was because of notability that the deletion tag was there, and only after I noticed that there was already another article on the same player. I ended up making a redirect when noticed the mistake I did, but it is really better to delete it s you initially proposed. I apologise for my mistakes there. FkpCascais (talk) 23:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
No problem. And well as for the AFD-the problem was the article was made before the guy did anything basically. Wgolf (talk) 23:49, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the player in question, Martin Hristov, actually only today got his first appearance in a professional league which makes him now pass notability. So the article Martin Hristov (footballer, born in 1997) can stay, while the other redirects I created from the article you proposed for deletion should go. Perhaps could even be speedy deleted. FkpCascais (talk) 00:00, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Footballer naming conventions[edit]

This is an incorrect move, the correct format is John Smith (footballer, born 19xx) not John Smith (footballer born 19xx), please see WP:NCDAB. GiantSnowman 09:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I know that User:GiantSnowman, but at time I tried to move it to a name with comma and it gave me a message that it was impossible because there was already another article at that title. At that time I didn't knew about the existence of the other article about the same player, so I ended up removing the comma so I could do the renaming, and only afterwords I saw the other article. It was a mess but now it is all fixed I think. Best regards GS. FkpCascais (talk) 15:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
In cases where you need to move over a redirect tag with WP:G6. GiantSnowman 15:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Croatia ANI discussion[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:28, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

ABA Liga Category[edit]

Hi! I'm just dropping by to let you know about the new user category I think you might be interested in joining, ABA Liga supporters. Keep up the good work with your basketball-related contributions! --OxymoronNBG (talk) 21:42, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks OxymoronNBG! I created as well some userboxes, they are on my user page in the articles I created section. Best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 23:06, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


Izvini što ti se ovako lično obraćam, ali moram radi same Wiki. Na tvom FB profilu sam ti poslao poruku oko Wiki šta mi možeš pomoći, samo uđi i pročitaj jer sam ti tamo detaljno opisao šta i kako. Nn94 14 (talk) 18:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Napravi ga ponovo ovde: User:Nn94 14/Sandbox1. Najvažnije je da ga kompletiraš i da imaš informaciju i vanjski izvor gde potvrdjuje da je igrala za reprezentaciju. FkpCascais (talk) 02:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Generalno problem je taj što ima stvari koje ovde na engleskoj Vikipediji nepostoje što otežava rad nama korisnicima koji uređujemo, a i generalno ta činjenica svima koji koriste Vikipediju predstavlja nepreglednost. Najmanji mi je problem da ja to odradim, ali će mi trebati vreme za to i još će mi mnogo značiti da ako ne može da mi pomogne, onda neka mi ne odmaže. Nn94 14 (talk) 16:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Glavno su viki pravila. Članci da bi postojali treba da sadrže u njima informaciju (potvrdjenu vanjskim izvorom) prema kojoj dokazuju da taj članak treba da postoji. U slučaju ovog konkretno članka morao si da imaš podatak da je igrala za Kanadsku reprezentaciju, I vanjski izvor koji to potvrdjuje. Bez toga normalno je da ga nominuju za brisanje ili brzo brisanje, što je ovde bio slučaj. A na šta misliš kad kažeš da ima stvari kojih ovde nema na engleskoj Vikipediji? Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 20:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Ne moraš mi objašnjavati jer sam te razumeo kada si mi rekao predhodni put. Pod tim što sam rekao da ima nekih stvari koje ovde na engleskoj Viki nema sam mislio na to što neke stvari nisu urađene, a svakako bi trebalo da budu (ne mislim na pravila). Nn94 14 (talk) 21:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

re: Award[edit]

Thank you a lot Fkp :) --Anulmanul (talk) 02:08, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Armenia–Serbia relations[edit]

Can you please rate the article? It seems that I'm not allowed to do so, as I wrote it (according to Wikipedia's policies). I assume the importance for both WikiProjects (Armenian and Serbian) would be low, but as for the class (quality) of the article, I'm not sure... Thx. --Yerevani Axjik (talk) 10:41, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Done. The article is really well sourced, perhaps it can even be qualified as class C or B. FkpCascais (talk) 15:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
FkPCascais, I improved article and nominated it for GA... what do you think? Also... if you could make a map like other articles dealing with bilateral relations have? --Yerevani Axjik (talk) 14:30, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
--Yerevani Axjik I apologise, I was abscent for a couple of days. I think the article is great, but unfortunately I really cant help you regarding the map :( pictures and map making is really not my area here. FkpCascais (talk) 05:54, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Aleksander Jovovic[edit]

Hi! Do you know anything about the Yugoslav midfielder Aleksander Jovovic (born in 1968) that joined Djurgårdens IF in the 1997 season from OFK Belgrade and later played one season in IK Brage. When he joined Djurgården, Swedish media reported he had played for Yugoslav U18 and U21-teams and for Lyon, Waregem and Crete but not much of that is to be found on the Internet today. Smartskaft (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I will see what can I find on him and bring it here. FkpCascais (talk) 15:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Great! Smartskaft (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
As incredible as may seem, there is not even one Aleksandar Jovović playing in either Yugoslav First nor Second league until 1991. I am saying incredible because both, name Aleksandar (allways Aleksandar, never Aleksander) and surname Jovović are quite common, initially I even thought there may be more than one player with that name, but there is none playing first two levels till 1991 (see: here). If he was born in 1968 he probably started playing by mid-late 1980s but he didn't played in first of second league till 1991 for sure. I also have a separate list in Excel with all Yugoslav First League players from 1945 to 1991 and it confirms, no Aleksandar Jovović. There is a possibility of being named Saša Jovović, as Saša is nickname for Alekandar, but there is no Saša Jovović either.
Now I will try to see for the period after 1991... FkpCascais (talk) 23:09, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
No Jovović played any league game with OFK Beograd in the season 1996/97, see OFK Beograd website. However, they are missing data for the seasons 1994/95 and 1995/96. FkpCascais (talk) 23:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. Swedish media might have got some things wrong. I actually found another article saying he played for Red Star here. Thanks a lot for looking up! Smartskaft (talk) 23:21, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


Bio si mi napomenuo da može da se zatraži vraćanje obrisane strane... Neko se opet pravio pametan pa je brisao ponešto, konkretno Đorđe Vukobrat, a ja nemam sada statistiku da bih napisao novu stranu. Ostala su mi još dvojica iz Donjeg Srema, debitovali su u ova dva kola i ostali svi imaju strane, koji ispunjavaju uslove, naravno. Lotom (talk) 16:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Izvini, nije me bilo ovde ovih dana, tražiću administratorima na WP:FOOTY da vrate stranicu pošto on sada prolazi WP:NOTABILITY. Pozdrav FkpCascais (talk) 05:49, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Tko si ti da me upozoravaš?[edit]

Kojeg ti glumiš faktora ovdje? Upozoravam Vas da ne vandalizirate stranice! --Golden Bosnian Lily (talk) 05:46, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Please speak English sir. This is en.wikipedia. FkpCascais (talk) 05:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Đorđe Vukobrat[edit]

 Done - please expand/improve. GiantSnowman 20:39, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Many many thanks GS, I will. FkpCascais (talk) 18:54, 11 March 2015 (UTC)


Video sam ja to pre neki dan na Transfermarktu, ali nisam siguran da je taj igrač u pitanju. Možda jeste, mada ne bih rekao. Nekako mi deluje mlađe, a i naši klubovi obično dovode mlađe strance i to uglavnom potpune anonimuse. Visina je više-manje O. K, pozicija ne govori previše, jer je ulazio u drugom poluvremenu, u Kraljevu je protiv Javora igrao kao LW, mada ga je bilo i na desnoj strani, ali u Slogi nekako sve te nove igrače izguraju na stranu. Plus, ovaj mi je nekako delovao previše plašljiv i nesiguran u nekim situacijama, mislim da bi morao da bude iskusniji, ako ima 25 godina, zato ne verujem da je taj igrač u pitanju. Neka bude onako, bez linka, lako ću da vratim, ako je stvarno on u pitanju, da ne pravimo pometnju. Isto tako, nisam siguran ni za Marića, stavio sam da je u pitanju Aleksandar, iz razloga što je igrao za Bumbarevo brdo, gde je prošle sezone igralo skoro pola ekipe Sloge, a i zato što je u igru ušao kao odbrambeni. Inače stvarno izgleda kao je '93. godište, a Ivan kako piše na sajtu PLS ima 3 banke i igra napadača. Lotom (talk) 9:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC) P. S. Taj Marić od 30 god je Dejan, ali poenta je da ne vidim ni jednog koji se uklapa u profil, sem onog Aleksandra.

OK, nema frke, znam da ti pratiš Slogu. Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 23:42, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Kako sam nezvanično saznao, on ima 17,5 godina. Inače, od početka utakmice protiv Inđije cela tribina ga ismeva, tj. govori da ne zna ništa, a onda odjednom, kao grom iz vedra neba dade golčinu da ne poveruješ. Onako, mali, sitan, ali je brz i ima kakvu-takvu tehniku, svakako napreduje iz utakmice u utakmicu, a i plaši se još uvek. Verujem da od njega može da bude nešto, ako je stvarno toliko mlad. Tu su i ona druga dvojica, ali ih još uvek nema u protokolu, da li zbog setifikata, ili zbog odluke trenera, to ne znam. Ja još uvek gajim nadu da Sloga može da opstane. and[edit]

I've been removing those references because the two websites are not being mantained anymore. Why do you think they should be kept? --OxymoronNBG (talk) 17:10, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Okej, sad vidim da si mi već pisao na mom talku. Meni ne deluje da će to ponovo biti online u skorije vreme, a i kada je bilo, bilo je puno grešaka. Bolje je prosto proći kasnije kroz sve te članke i svuda lupiti generalnu soccerway ili tako neku globalnu referencu, kapiram da ću moći to da odradim 90% automatski AWB-om sledećeg vikenda. --OxymoronNBG (talk) 17:13, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Deal, neću onda dirati transfer pages za Je li okej da sklonim onda ove ili bi da i to ostane? Taj sajt je totalno mrtav, domen je expired još od 2012. --OxymoronNBG (talk) 17:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Sa transfer lista? Onda transfer ostane unsourced. Jel možeš da staviš deadlink umesto da ga izbrišeš? (pričam samo o transfer listama, ostalo briši slobodno) FkpCascais (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Tako barem znamo da je neko od nas tada ubacio taj transfer sa tim izvorom, a ako nema izvor onda ne znamo jel možda neki klinac ubacio pogrešno :/ FkpCascais (talk) 17:27, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Kapiram te potpuno, ne diram onda transfer liste za sad nikako, a pobrisao sam sa igračkih/klupskih external links i iz introductory rečenica, prosto predstavlja beskoristan junk na tim mestima. To bi bilo to. Take care, Kaškajš! --OxymoronNBG (talk) 17:30, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Odlično, hvala ti puno. Jer smo samo nas jedno dvojica trojica koji te liste već godinama pravimo, I dogovor je da na svaki stavljamo izvor. Čim vidimo neki igrač dodat bez izvora odmah znamo da je to neko drugi ubacio I proverimo. E sad, jebiga -_- ovi naši sajtovi se pale gase, beda, ali ovako barem znamo da su tada bili sa izvorom. nam je strašno koristan, jer ne samo da ima statistiku svih igrača u našim 3 liga (superliga prva I srpske) od 2001. pa do sada, nego još I ima liste igrača timova iz srpske lige gde ubaci I pozajmice manje poznatih igrača iz naših većih klubova, inače to nema nigde drugde da se nadje jer niko ne piše specijalno članak u medijima o, recimo, nekom klincu iz Rada koji je na pozajmici u Dunavu iz Starih Banovaca... Za sada godinama nismo imali nikakve problem jer čak i kad admin srbijefudbala ugasi stare igrače mi znamo da je informacija koja je tada bila na sajtu prepisana tm igraču, a nism imali nijedan jedini slučaj da neko zloupotrebi stavi pogrešne podatke pa ubaci taj sajt kao izvor, vandali običn ne stave nikakav sajt :D ... Hvala ti NBG, tu smo šta god da treba!!! FkpCascais (talk) 17:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Čedomir Đoinčević[edit]

Aparentemente (e infelizmente, muito novo), este senhor faleceu. Consegues arranjar alguma coisa em sérvio para o seu artigo? Descanse em paz este simpático barbudo!

Um abraço, desejo-te tudo do melhor como sempre -- (talk) 23:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

  • OK, peço desculpa de ter incomodado. O artigo fica como está, porque eu não sei sérvio. -- (talk) 16:08, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Calma :( nao fiques chateado, é que tenho tido uns dias caoticos na minha vida privada e se reparares pelas minhas contribuicoes, mal tenho tado presente na wiki ha ja varios dias. No dia em que me falaste nisto, dei uma vista de olhos pelos principais sites de futebol de la e nao havia nada sobre ele, vou ver melhor em outros sites. FkpCascais (talk) 17:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Eu e as minhas pressas... esqueço-me sempre que os outros têm vida lá fora! Sem pressas, meu caro, mas sirva este detalhe: é que de todas as ligações exteriores que constam do artigo dele, DUAS falam em falecimento, por isso pensei que não devia ser um erro (mas talvez um "site" possa ter "copiado" do outro).

Bom descanso (e boas sopas como se diz por cá), não posso assinar esta mensagem porque estou num computador mais "fraco", não sei porque é que não me deixa — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:49, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, ja tive a ver imensos resultados, e nao diz ele lado nenhum que ele faleceu. Onde viste dizerem isso? Expandi o artigo com o que fui encontrando, e completei parte da carreira dele como treinador, se bem que me parece que devem faltar ainda bastante mais. FkpCascais (talk) 02:19, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Obrigado. Em relacão ao "falecimento", aparece no ZEROZERO.PT e no WORLDFOOTBALL. -- (talk) 04:14, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Meu caro Vasco, isso parece ser um erro, na prensa nao ha nada mesmo e ja vi paginas e paginas no google, o seu falecimento teria certamente mencao pelo menos nos sites relacionados com o FK Rad onde o consideram importantissimo. FkpCascais (talk) 04:44, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Muitíssimo obrigado! Apenas dei um toque no texto e apresentação das referências. Podes, por favor, e para finalizarmos por agora, pôr os títulos das referências sérvias em inglês? Tchau! -- (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Feito. Desculpa a demora. Abraco! FkpCascais (talk) 14:04, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

IP vandalising[edit]

Hi! FkP, what to do if an IP vandalises and reverts edits? I believe it's the same guy we had an argument with few weeks ago... Se Bosnian independence referendum please. --Yerevani Axjik (talk) 10:48, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

А видим да можемо и на српском да разговрамо. Дакле, верујем да онај профил од раније вандализује странице под старим оптужбама за вандализам итд., шта му већ не пада на памет. Дакле, да ли постоји неки начин да се заштите странице од ИП адреса? Јасно је да се ради о истом типу. --Yerevani Axjik (talk) 10:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Možemo i na srpskom, mada kao preporučuju da se koristi uvek engleski da bi ostali razumeli. Nisam bio mnogo prisutan ovih dana na wiki, sad ću da vidim šta se dešavalo. FkpCascais (talk) 17:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Past discussions about Cyrillic script in Bosnia[edit]

Per User talk:DemirBajraktarevic#Cyrillic, I'm guessing you know where this was discussed before. Has a conclusion been reached anywhere about what scripts to use in the lead when writing about Bosnian people and places? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

EdJohnston oh, by mistake I added a diff there instead of a link for the discussion. Here was the discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Problems_with_Cyrillic. Hope that helps. FkpCascais (talk) 17:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


Znam da geneologiju poznaješ bolje od mene, pa vidi da li možeš ovog Raphaela iz Kolubare da povežeš sa nekom nacijom. Pretpostavljam da je Brazilac, ali ko zna... Ubacio je PLS na Srbijafudbal-u, to je, otprilike to, mada je ovaj Jang možda malo i mlađi, jer sam čuo od jednog lika na stadionu da ima 17,5 godina, možda ga nisam ni razumeo dobro, ali nema ni veze, a i Kim je juče debitovao za Slogu, ali njega nije još dodao. Mislim njih kad gledaš, generalno, nama odavde svi izgledaju isto, uglavnom ih razlikuješ po frizurama i boji kose. Jang nam se predstavio u Kraljevu, Kim je sedeo na klupi protiv Kolubare, pa nisam provalio ko je, video sam još jednog ranije, ali ne znam da li je to on, ili ovaj treći. Ne znam kakvo je tvoje mišljenje, ali meni ovaj novi sistem takmičenja u JSL deluje kao teška sprdnja. Pozdrav! Lotom (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Ne verujem da je Raphael brazilac, oni pišu Rafael, mada retko umeju da stilizuju imena, ono kao Tiago=Thiago I ti fazoni samo da bi se razlikovali, nije nemoguće da je brazilac, ali mi više miriše da je afrikanac iz francuskog govornog područja, tipa kamerunac, oni imaju Raphael. Ali tako samo sa imenom je veoma teško da nagadjamo, moraćemo da sačekamo još koji podatak, da barem znamo prezime... FkpCascais (talk) 21:21, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Titoist POV[edit]

You know the matter and can explain it in Wikipedia:Administrators noticeboard/Incidents#Manipulated and mystified sources or in talk:Josip Broz Tito#DisputeTeo Pitta (talk) 10:31, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Air Serbia[edit]

I'm the one that should thank you, as you're right.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:54, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

I was doing the same when it gave me the edit-conflict message saying you just have done it, so no problem. I know you do a great job fighting vandalism all-around and removing loads of crap IPs add to articles, but please give them a chance when at least they do something good and don't revert instantly. Cheers :) FkpCascais (talk) 01:04, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


So why isnt Ushmm calling it by that name?--Rovoobo Talk 12:40, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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Nikola Jakimovski[edit]

Okay, sorry for the wrong correction, I used the data from TM on those caps and goals numbers (for his clubs). But when it comes to his U21 he definitely has only 3 caps and no goals. (you can erase this message, I just wanted to apologize).

No problem at all. Transfermarkt is user-generated so it often contains more mistakes than soccerway, which confirms all games and no one can add information but the website administrators. Regarding the national team stats, I often use soccerway for recent stats (4-5 years to now) and for more complete stats, but unfortunately only lists games which are played for the U-17, U-19 and U-21 qualifiers. If you find a website that contains Macedonian U-17/19/21 stats please let me know. I appreciate a lot the great work you have been doing in expanding and updating Macedonian football. You are a great editor. Pozdrav!!! FkpCascais (talk) 17:08, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Josip Broz Tito[edit]

Can you please go to the article about Tito and see what that two users are doing. They are saying that the lede is too long. xD I mean, just by looking at the lede of Churchill you can see that it is not too long. Please can you join the discussion. Tnx :) --Tuvixer (talk) 18:12, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Tuvixer I will try to see what is all about, but I have been very limited with time in the last months, that is why I haven't been very active. I thanked you because you restored a part of text which mentioned the Non-aligned Movement which I think it is mostly neglected here on and which deserves mention specially at that period during Cold War when it had an interesting role in world geopolitics (as opposed to nowadays when it lost much of its purpose). However, I didn't noticed the reason why other editors removed it, seems because it is already mentioned so they think it is not worth mentioning it twice, right? Lets see if we can work out some solution that will work for all, like mentioning the Non-aligned and Tito role in them, but without repeating it twice. I will only now see what the problem is, I haven't seen yet what is the problem there, I just gave a superficial quick look. FkpCascais (talk) 21:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Now that I have reverted them combined 3 times I can't no longer revert the article. That is possibly what they want. So tozwu has now introduced his crazy changes that have been crushed by more that two 3O. Can you please revert him? Tnx. --Tuvixer (talk) 11:53, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

No Evidence[edit]

There is no evidence of what u claims about KF Trepca and FC Pristina,this is very logical propaganda of Serbian state in order to erase all the history that has to do with Kosovo-Albanians. While Serbia is trying to get all the credits that have to do with Yugoslavia,Kosovo has every right to get what belongs to her. (talk)

A creator can do whatever he wants whith his creature,we were not welcomed to play in YU league and we had to do something in order to play football as everyone in this world. (talk)
ok but u can't claim that you own our clubs, this is incorrect legally and morally. (talk)
but u have nothing to prove it,as long as they created Trepca they could have decided even to dissolve it,that doesn't mean that u could take the badge history name or anything. This is totally political situation now days created by Serbs,but have nothing to prove. As long as Situation is like this KF Trepça remains the only successor of old KF Trepça. (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
How can u say after 1999 albanian players decided to leave the club and found their own club. What kind of hypocrisy is this ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashanialbert (talkcontribs) 12:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
I can do the same with u but that's easiest way to solve a problem,and it's not the right way. You have not a single source. or what is that is just serbian media and nothing else.Earlier we mentioned that player left YU league in 1991 and now u are saying albanian player left the club in 1999 and decided to fourd their own team. The reality is Albanian player with the club of KF Trepca (as their creature) decided to leave YU league back in early 90s and it's doesnt matter what you did later. Trepca was from Kosovo,Kosovo is now Independent country or call it how u want.Its teams are not part of SRB league so stop talking bullshit please. FK Partizan is FK Partizan,acording to KS rules an ilegall team,and don't spread hate,propaganda because that's the only think u do when it comes to Kosovo. contribs) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashanialbert (talkcontribs) 12:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
We refused to be part of YU league not our clubs,they still remain our clubs. Ur bosnian site is just a news site doesn't prove nothing no history of the club nothing. Ur saying KF Trepca was formed in 1999 after the war when albanian left the club,this is totally lie meanwhile u said im not blind nationalist but Albanians left the YU league in early 90s not i 99. And please u must understand Albanians boycotted the league and not the club don't make such a confusion. We can agree that during 90 existed to parallel clubs because in 91 serbs created their own Trepca to play in YU league but in 2000s they marged the club with FK Partizan and now only Albanian Trepca still exists.? (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:25, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Again ur hate over wisdom. How can u say albanian created different clubs mate. Based on what. I gave u a suggestion in order to reach an agreement otherwise we can delete the page or create parallel pages all day all season. Again you have no arguments,no refernces nothing,just crazy serbian bullshits as always. Nothing to prove. Stop editing the page please.Hashanialbert (talk) 11:19, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
How can't u understand that u created KF Trepca after we took our Trepca out of YU league 1991 and that old Trepca still keep playing in an unrecognized which is absolutely irrelevant at this point.Old KF Trepca still exists.And now ur Trepca doesn't even exists Hashanialbert (talk) 12:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Mrka kapa zasad[edit]

Kapiram da je neki nedokazan lik, a ja sad nešto ne mogu da se prepucavam... Najbolje je što se mene tiče, da uradimo neki sanbox, gde možemo da prikupimo izvore sa raznih strana, da to niko ne dira dok se ne odradi kako treba, pa onda da se sve lepo raščlani. Ovako svako radi šta mu se prohte. Mislim da nije dobro što se FK Trepča redirektuje na FK Partizan, jer se Partizan tek pre nekoliko godina fuzionisao sa Trepčom, koliko ja znam. Samo treba pronaći prave izvore. Lotom (talk) 15:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Lotom/List of Serbian football transfers summer 2015, da pohvatamo šta možemo, dok su sveži izvori. :D. Inače i Aksentijeviću je istekao ugovor, ali da sačekamo rasplet. Lotom (talk) 21:21, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Super! Eno u Žurnaalu već čitav spisak igrača koji napuštaju Jagodinu. FkpCascais (talk) 21:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Sock puppet allegations[edit]

Please stop saying unfounded accusations about sockpupeting or I will have to report you. This is the general warning done according to wikipedia's rules. If you repeat that allegation I will report you and you will have to explain yourself. Asdisis (talk) 14:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Please do whatever you think you should do. FkpCascais (talk) 14:31, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes. I'm asking of you to stop with unfounded allegations. According to wikipedia's rules I should not engage you on the talk page of the article but warn you on your talk page. If you repeat allegations on talk page I can report you. Best regards. Asdisis (talk) 16:14, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Istorija srpskih klubova u evropskim takmicenjima[edit]

Da li ti možeš da napraviš neki članak tj. almanah o učestvovanjima srpskih klubova u evropskim takmičenjima ili nekog koga na vikipediji poznaješ da ga pozoveš na talk stranicama, evo kao taj članak (Croatian football clubs in European competitions). Ako je neko voljan da to napravi bio bi mu veoma zahvalan. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:29, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Vladovivoda je zaista fantastično napravio taj članak. Ja već ima više od godinu dana pa sve do sada sam veoma skraćen sa vremenom, sad nema šanse da tako nešto uradim. Posao i porodica mi ostavljaju samo vremena za male ispravke ili dopune u člancima, pogledam i učestvujem uventualno u nekim diskusijama, i uvrh glave napravim možda jednom u 3 meseca neki članak nekog starog igrača ili trenera za koje znam da drugi ne znaju ništa ili možda vrlo malo o njemu (i napravim ga za 15 minuta). Nekad ranije pre dve i više godina sam imao vremena da pravim velike članke i liste, ali sad mi je to nemoguće. Od naših editora Lotom je veoma aktivan, možda bi on bio zainteresovan, u zadnje vreme je koncentrisan na sadašnje timove, igrače, transfere, ali pošto je sad pauza u sezoni, možda bi njega interesovalo malo da promeni I da uzme taj članak, ali ne znam, pitaj ga, on je odličan editor kao i ti, ako se do sada niste upoznali taman prilika. Ako niko drugi ne bude hteo, neću zaboraviti i biće mi u "Things to do". FkpCascais (talk) 00:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Nomes de países/regiões[edit]

Meu caro, não é para me armar em espertinho, bem longe disso, é para aprender a fazer como deve ser: podes-me dizer porque é que não se pode escrever "Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" por extenso quando é o NOME do artigo? Dizes-me, na página do Čedomir Đoinčević (que não reverti, fica descansado) que "não escrevemos Republic of Portugal, pois não?". Pois não, porque "Republic of Portugal" NÃO É o nome de nenhum artigo na WP. Quando este gajo (e tantos tantos outros) jogavam à bola, o país não se chamava "República Federal Socialista da Jugoslávia"? E continua uma grande confusão - para mim, pelo menos - a diferença entre "SFR Yugoslavia" e "Yugoslavia", mas como a última começa em 1918 e vai até 2003 (a Sérvia juntamente com o Montenegro se não estou errado), o mais correcto será pôr o "SFR", não percebo é porque é que não pode ser em extenso.

Um abraço, boa semana -- (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

É que na realidade devia dizer so "Yugoslavia" mas para diferenciarmos as 3 (a Kingdom, SFR e FR) opa usamos esses "aditivos" que na realidade sao vastamente usados dessa mesma forma em outros artigos como os de historia por exemplo. So que é completamente descabido usarmos os nomes por extensor porque afinal de contas o que interessa é so a Jugoslavia. A ideia é dar uma ideia imediata ao leitor de onde o jogador nasceu (como por exemplo em EEUU seria "Dallas, Texas, Unites states" ou na Uniao Sovietica "Moscow, Russian SSR, Soviet Union". Nao vale a pena ocupar 2 linhas com isso se existe uma forma abreviada vastamente utilizada para o fazer, o que aconteceria no caso de "Banja Luka, Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia" opa "Banja Luka, SR Bosnia and Herzegovina, SFR Yugoslavia" é bem mais esclarecedor.
Eu sei a tua regra combinada de usar tudo por extenso no texto, mas acho que estas a esquecer que essa regra nao esta escrita em lado nenhum, foi so mesmo tua. Eu concordei quanto a clubes, mas estas unidades de regioes e paises sao totalmente desnecessarias. FkpCascais (talk) 01:13, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Football matter[edit]

Hi FkpCascais. I see you are devoted to football and that is great, not my strongest point though (mine is volleyball and to a lesser extent basketball). Either way, this is about Montenegrin player Milorad Peković. On the article his international career is presented as ongoing, whereas on the Montenegro national football team page, it appears his number for caps is dated at 2013, clearly he hasn't played internationally since then. I know he is an active player and there is nothing in the lede about him having retired internationally, do you know any more about this jigsaw piece? -- (talk) 06:28, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I will update if I find anything. Usually at WP:FOOTY there is an agreement not to close the national team years unless the player has retired or hasn't played for some amount of time. He has last played for Montenegro in 2013, so it is not that much time (I have seen player having 4-5 years intervals in the national team without retiring). Seems everything is fine in the article. FkpCascais (talk) 14:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Poziv za uređivanjem Vikipedije[edit]

Mnogo hvala na pozivu, ali sam sam tu prisutan već dosta vremena, samo nisam radio akaunt. Eh da, šta se tiče pozdrava Bog Pomaže, ja znam da se ne koristi, ali je lep tradicionalni pozdrav. Niti ja ga ne koristim u normalnom govoru, ali znam ponekad ovako kada preko foruma pišem. (talk) 00:02, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Jeste, lep je tradicionalan pozdrav. Samo što vam ja nisam poverovao da ste srbin iz Hrvatske zbog nekih stvari što ste rekli koje jasno da većina srba nikad ne bi rekli. Možda imate neko mešano korenje, ali ste definitivno jasno hrvatski opredeljeni. Recimo, primer je bio kad ste rekli da da nije bilo Prvog Svetskog Rata da bi Hrvatska verovatno obuhvatala Vojnu Krajinu i Bosnu a jasno je da su upravo srbi iz Hrvatske i Bosne gajili nadu prvenstveno pripajanju Srbiji, ili nekom načinu autonomije unutar Austro-Ugarske tipa Vojvodina što je imala neko vreme, ali nikako pripajanje Hrvatskoj. Ali meni nije uopšte problem ničija nacionalnost. Odrastao sam u ambijentu gde sam učio po medjunardnim školama, radio sa ljudima iz raznih zemalja, ceo žvot mi je vezan za rad i druženje sa ljudima svih nacionalnosti. Vidim da ste čitali diskusije oko Tesle u kojima sam učestvovao, i optuživan sam za anti-Hrvatstvo, ali to nije tačno. Ti editori žele da stave Hrvatsku u sam početak članka da bi na taj način izjednačili Srbiju i Hrvatsku što se predstavljanja Tesle tiče (to je Asdisis priznao, baš ovim rečima, i onim Teslinim rečima da se "jednako ponosi"), i tome se jasno protivim, naročito načinom na koji su to hteli da urade. Znate verovatno koliko je Kralj Aleksandar bio nepopularan u Hrvatskoj (delom sa pravom, ja lično mislim da Hrvatska tada nije trebala da ulazi u SHS nego je trebala da postane nezavisna, i naravno da je većina hrvatskog naroda bila nezadovoljna kad je shvatila da jedino što se promenilo je to da je glavni grad sad bio Beograd a ne Beč i to je izazvalo veliku razočarenje medju hrvatima, nema dileme). Ali sama činjenica da je Tesla pisao o Kralju Aleksandru onako pozivno i hvalio srpsku hrabrost i borbu, sve kažu. Da li se slažete da je rečenica "Isto ponosan u srpski narod i Hrvatsku domovinu" tako sama u stvari izvadjena iz konteksta? Problem su argumenti i ponašanje onim učesnika, ja moram iskreno da kažem da se radi o pametnim tinejdžerima. FkpCascais (talk) 02:58, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Ja sam Jugoslavenski opredeljen. Ja sam malo čitao diskusije oko Nikole Tesle, jer moji dolaze iz Like, ali nisam hteo da učestvujem na onaj način. Baš zato što sam Jugoslavenski opredeljen. Ja nemam ništa protiv sadašnjeg stanja, samo sam hteo da kažem da je politička situacija oko Vojne Krajine bila složena te da nije na nama da ju rešavamo. Dovoljno je napisati da je Tesla rodom iz Austrijskog Carstva, što se mene tiče. Jer to je skladno onome kako funkcioniše Vikipedija. Ja inače osobno smatram da je Tesli kao Jugoslavenu bila podjednako važna i Srbija i Hrvatska, a tako jest i meni. Jeste kralj bio nepopularan, ali Tesla to nije tako shvaćao. On u pismu nije isticao niti jedan narod protiv drugog, nego je napisao da će kraj dugo živjeti u sjećanju svojih ljudi. On je u pismu upravo branio Jugoslavene od onoga kako su mediji u Americi prikazivali njih, kao narod koji se raspada zbog nacionalnih tenzija. Tako sam ja to shvatio jer sam i sam Jugoslaven kao i Tesla. Meni su također podjednako važni i Srbi i Hrvati, jer ja sam kao Jugoslaven oboje. Ova zadnja izjava jest poznata Teslina izjava, ali ne znam o kakvom kontekstu se radi pošto je došla iz njegovog telegrama. Nije uz nju nikakvog drugog teksta bilo. Bog pomaže FkpCascais. (talk) 12:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Da, pardon, on je to rekao u telegramu Mačeku (imate kopije telegram na Teslinoj strani na hrvatskoj vikipediji), a u pismu Tajmsu je rekao da je rodjen u Hrvatskoj. U to vreme u svetu se lose pisalo o Jugoslaviji jer su hrvati i neki svetski intelektualci poput Ajnštajna pisali kako hrvati lose žive u novoj kraljevini jer srbi imaju dominantnu ulogu a hrvati su ugnjetavani u toj kraljevini. Tako da je konflikt bio izmedju biranja Hrvatske i većih prava Hrvatima, ili Kralja i da nastavi sve da bude kao do tada. Jasno da Tesla pokušava da smiri strasti i tenzije ali je to pisao kao odgovor tim kritikama. Zato hvali srbe i nekako kao da u pismu smatra da hrvati treba da budu zahvalni srbima. I podržava kralja, dok su recimo u to vreme većina hrvata ga mrzeli ili barem kritikovali, jer on je upravo predstavljao srpski nacionalizam i srpku dominaciju u Jugoslaviji. Realno čitajući to pismo ostajem sa utiskom da on govoreći da je rodjen u Hrvatskoj želi više da istakne kako u Hrvatskoj ima i onih koji vole srbe i brane kralja, nego što je imao zaista nameru da kaže da je hrvat. Margaret Čenej u njenoj njizi takodje govori u ovom tonu. Takodje, većina hrvata u to vreme brani veću autonomiju ili čak i nezavisnost Hrvatske, a to Tesla ama baš nikad nije branio. Po meni Tesla jasno da na sve to gleda prvenstveno kao srbin iz Hrvatske ko je zadovoljan što je njegov rodni kraj sad u istoj državi sa Srbijom i ostalim delovima gde žive srbi. Sve je to mnogo daleko od onoga što oni editori navode i tvrde i o načinu na koji vidim da neki pišu o Tesli u današnjoj Hrvatskoj. Ono što deluje nepravedno je to što ostajem sa utiskom da se radi o nekom negativnom da bi ga se hrvati odmah odricali jer bi on bio "zao četnik" ali pošto je Tesla svetski genije, daj onda da ga prisvojimo... Ali tako je to nažalost. FkpCascais (talk) 15:05, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Da, ja se svakako slažem da je Tesla pisao pismo da smiri tenzije i da pokaže da među svim Jugoslavenima vlada zajedništvo, a ne da se nekima koji šire tenzije daje toliko pažnje. Tesla nije birao strane jer je bio Jugoslaven, a kao Srbin iz Hrvatske posebno se zalagao za zajedništvo Hrvata i Srba, koje je bilo veoma snažno dok je on živio na tim prostorima u Austro-Ugarskoj. On nije živio u Jugoslaviji i na njegovo razmišljanje je prvenstveno utisak imalo upravo to zajedništvo Srba i Hrvata dok je on živio na tim prostorima. Ja mislim da i jedna i druga strana rade nešto što Tesla ne bi hteo. On bi kao Srbin iz Hrvatske i Jugoslaven hteo da spaja Srbe i Hrvate, a ne da ih razdvaja. (talk) 16:00, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Je li mogu da vas pitam da li znate ko su I otkuda sad ova grupa koja je opsednuta da ubaci reč "Hrvatska" u početak članka Nikole Tesle? Ranije je uvek bilo sa vremena na vreme neko, većinom hrvat, koji je uvak stavljao pod pitanje je li Tesla srbin, ili tražio da se promei u hrvat itd., ali ovaj put ovo deluje zaista koordinirano organizovan napad na članak kakav do sada nije bio vidjen. Po načinu govora i argumentima deluje mi apsolutno jasno da se radi o verovatno povezanoj grupi gimnazijalaca ili medjusobnih prijatelja. FkpCascais (talk) 00:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Ja nisam involviran u taj članak tako da ne pratim tko je tamo aktivan. Samo s vremena na vreme dođem pogledati kakve su rasprave otvorene. Vidim da su sada otvorene neke rasprave, ali ja po običaju ne ću da učestvujem u takvim raspravama. (talk) 15:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


Since you are better acquainted with Wiki football matters than me, particularly pertaining to the Balkans, would you say the 2015 FIFA U-20 World Cup should be mentioned on the main page . I have no idea what the community consensus is regarding such tournaments. 23 editor (talk) 00:15, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

23 editor I am sorry, but I really don't know :/ I never participated in those issues from the main page, and those sort of things. It is a sporting important news, but I have no idea what would be the criterium of inclusion there. FkpCascais (talk) 02:33, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

No worries, I'm going to go ahead and see how much support I can get for its inclusion. 23 editor (talk) 04:04, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Sebastian Herrera Cardona[edit]

It is true that one can find out what his name is spelled in his native country. However, since he (apparently) has a Macedonian passport and is registered in UEFA with his Macedonian documents, in which his name is spelled as Sebastijan Herera Kardona, technically there is nothing wrong with that version and it is certainly not incorrect to spell his name like that, as officially that is indeed his name according to his MKD passport.

User:Msb73505 Really? He is of Macedonian origin? I didnt knew it was you who added it, I just thought it was some IP as usually happends. Really really sorry. :( FkpCascais (talk) 21:30, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Hey, but wait. Are you sure he has Macedonian passport? Hum it may easily be a mistake at and they just put a Macedonian flag by default because he plays in Rabotnički. FkpCascais (talk) 21:41, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
It seems to be just a mistake of, here is an interview with him from 20 April 2014: link. He says he was born in Bello, Antioquia, but grow up in nearby Pueblo Rico from same municipality, Antioquia, in Colombia. It sas he came to Deportivo Pereira 3 years earlier (in 2011). Born in 23 January 1995 and plays as left-back. No mention of Macedonia. It was just a mistake in See also Soccerway, or He was playing for Real Santander by August 2013 ([10]). FkpCascais (talk) 21:59, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Hugo Vieira[edit]

Did Hugo Filipe Oliveira join a new club? Where is the source? SLBedit (talk) 21:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, SLBedit I just fixed the name of the club, someone else added that info. I supposed it was right since he is in Belgrade for days already and it was announced everything is agreed between him and Red Star. Let me check if he was officially presented today. FkpCascais (talk) 21:36, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I tried to insert only "Red Star" in box (yes I know there is more than one "Red Star" in the world, but reading the storyline and the intro (SERBIAN club) people will immediately know what club we are talking about), was immediately reverted. I give up, whatever. -- (talk) 18:52, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
It has been usually added everywhere as Red Star Belgrade in full in infoboxes. Not a big problem I hope. FkpCascais (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Miloš Galin[edit]

Hey, I created the article on Serbian-Bosnian footballer Miloš Galin yesterday since he played in the Algerian top flight last season. I was able to track his career (bounced around A LOT for a 25 year old) but I can't find any stats except for his time in 3 clubs (used Soccerway as source for that). Since your speciality is football in that region, would you be able to assist? Also, if you see any mistakes in his clubs feel free to fix it. I used as my source, and it was slightly different from his career on Transfermarkt. TonyStarks (talk) 16:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes TonyStarks I will gladly help with all I can. I remember him well, he was FK Rad player but never debuted in the Serbian SuperLiga. The career you added seems correct, I will confirm and find you more sources to put in the article. Before debuting in Algeria, he was unable to have an article because he did not pass notability, as he only played in Bosnian Premier League, Serbian second level and Greek third level. I will add all I find that can help to expand the article and see if I can find his stats. But you already did most of the job, great work. FkpCascais (talk) 16:34, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Perfect, thanks! TonyStarks (talk) 16:36, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


Esperando que estes bien, necesito si me puedes dar una mano con la pagina de Republic of Ragusa, y en su talk page, ya que hay un usuario que repetidamente elimina textos respecto a la etnicidad en su visión serbo-catolica del siglo XIX hasta mediados del siglo XX, ya que la visión croata solo llego en el ultimo decenio del siglo XIX. Saludos-- (talk) 18:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

¿Te refieres a esto? Ya lo vi, y en verdad no te apoye porque lo que estas añadiendo se refiere a 1830 y el articulo trata solo de la Republica de Ragusa que duro hasta 1807. En mi opinion, deves meter ese texto en la seccion de historia de Dubrovnik. Saludo! FkpCascais (talk) 18:19, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


Zdravo prijatelju! Kako si mi? Nadam se da si dobro? Nismo se dugo culi :).--Nado158 (talk) 19:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Gde si brate, si dobro? Pisao sam ti na mejl ne znam da li si video, a vrlo moguće da nisam ni ja tvoje mejlove video, retko otvaram mejl, proveriću večeras. Ovde je sve u redu, sve po starom :D Nemam baš puno vremena da editujem, daleko manje nego ranije, al pratim redovn šta se ovde dešava. Kako si ti? Što te nema? FkpCascais (talk) 21:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Hvala brate, dobro sam! Nisam video, pogledacu. I ja u zadnje vreme nisam imao toliko vemena, ali skoro svaki drugi dan nesto editujem, vecinom na ne-engleskim stranama. Nema me brate, zato sto su mi zabranili da editujem sve sta je povezano za SRB, i sport, zbog slucaja sa FK Trepcom, smesno, jer sam na kraju bio u pravu, ali jednostavno su "ekipa" radili svoje i ignorisali me.--Nado158 (talk) 23:03, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


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I wish to prevail on your wisdom[edit]

Hi FkpCascais. I know you're trying to do the right thing, but wouldn't it better if you just disengaged from Detoner (and other SPAs)? You're not going to change their minds, or their conduct, so why not just ignore them? The benefit is that several talk pages would not fill up with pointless discussions like talk:Nikola Tesla#Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2015, Talk:Nikola Tesla/Nationality and ethnicity#They just cant drop it and Talk:Military Frontier#Austrian vs local control. Please consider ignoring these users, because when you engage with them, you give them legitimacy.- MrX 14:23, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I see your point. I will disengage, I wrote a summary of their activity at the ANI report and I asked them for sources, so anyway I think I did my part here. But, if I am not present all time in the discussions, they will not have me as excuse, so I perfectly understand what you mean. Many thanks MrX. FkpCascais (talk) 14:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)


Primetio sam, ali mu treba dati prostora, vidi se da se trudi, ali još uvek nema dobre izvore, ili nije provalio neke stvari. Uostalom, ja sam bio mnogo gori kada sam počeo. Ja bih hteo sve pomalo, ali previše je ambicije, a malo vremena. Još se najesen definitivno selim za BG na faks, na koji prošle godine nisam otišao, ali ću ispratiti koliko mogu. Nego, kako mi se čini, ovaj vaš Božinov nije loš, deluje kao pogodak. A Abu je samo dokaz koliko stranci procvetaju kad odu iz Zvezde. Nadam se da može nešto da ispdne sa ovima tipa Ibanjez i ovaj Viera, ali ako bude kao dosad, bojim se da će i oni brzo da odu. Mislim i vi ste imali Đuru, ali ste igrali evropu, ali kad vidim ove ,,naučnike" poput Tvorze i Kokeze... Da se vratim na temu, čini mi se da se u poslednje vreme neki likovi stvarno žešće promovišu na Wiki, onaj Jugović, recimo, vidim da stalno briše da je igrao za Slogu. Najverovatnije on sam. Što se mene tiče, bolje da nije ni bio u Kraljevu, jer sem promašenog penala nemam po čemu da ga pamtim. S druge strane ovaj Kurtušić briše da je igrao za Vršac, plus statistika, a sumnjiv mi je i Obradović iz Rada. Ako oni stvarno misle da je neko toliko naivan da ih angažuje zbog cifara na Wikipediji, ja onda stvarno ne znam. Kontam da Butasport kopira transfere sa Wikipedije, ali dobro. Sve me to zajedno manje nervira od toga što u vremenu informacija i modernih tehnologija ne možeš da iščupaš informacije koje ti trebaju, nego moraš da izmišljaš i da se dovijaš, ne bi li našao to što tražiš. Recimo, do pre par dana nisam znao zašto se u niškom radničkom ne koristi desetka, ali me je zanimalo zašto je niko ne nosi već duže vreme i onda sam našao ono o Belom. U kragujevačkom radničkom s druge strane, 12 niko ne nosi već nekoliko sezona, moraću da istražim, jer i ako je povučena, najverovatnije je zbog navijača, ali čisto sumnjam da je zvanično. Ali dobro, kroz koju godinu, nadam se, možda bude malo bolje, ako sad, posle uspeha U20 ne privuku neku ivesticiju, onda ne znam kad će. Pozdrav! Lotom (talk) 19:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

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Potreban mi je savet od tebe kao iskusnijeg Vikipedijanca. Ukoliko na nekoj stranici imam da stavim nešto što želim da naznačim kao neku vrstu napomene vezano za neki podatak (npr. da za jednu informaciju postoje dva različita podatka, sa naravno navedenim referencama i izvorima tih podataka), kako to mogu učiniti? — Nn94 14 (talk) 09:34, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Ne razumem baš najbolje na šta misliš.... Misliš one template kao unsourced, citation needed, i to? FkpCascais (talk) 12:21, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Konkretno se odnosi na to da sam da sam za jednu utakmicu (finale kupa SRJ za košarkašice) našao dva različita rezultata, i to na različitim izvorima. Kako bih mogao da to naglasim (uz naravno postavljanje izvora gde sam našao te rezultate)? — Nn94 14 (talk) 18:44, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Napiši upravo tako kao što jeste, da u izvoru X piše da je rezultat taj a u izvoru Y ovaj. FkpCascais (talk) 19:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Hteo sam tako i da napišem, ali kako mogu to označiti, nešto slično kao za reference ili ? — Nn94 14 (talk) 19:17, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Referencu pored svakog rezultata. FkpCascais (talk) 19:24, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

KF Tirana in European football[edit]

Yep, nothing wrong at all with challenging/removing unreferenced material. GiantSnowman 18:31, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hvala, neki put ne gledam dovoljno, zaletim se, tu se zejebem uvek. Kopam od jutros po Žurnalu, tj. onom štampanom dodatku, tražim ko je gde, a Srbijafudbal istek'o, pa dok se ne vrati hvatam keširano što imam. Ispadoše mi oči. A i ova Jagodina, kako je krenula ispada iz lige. I za to si definitivno u pravu, ne može obdanište da igra, ako hoćeš neki uspeh. Lotom (talk) 13:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Ahah ne brini, shvatio sam odmah da si verovatno brzo pogledao članak, piše 7 novajlija i predposavio da je on jedan od njih, ali nije, tek pregovaraju sa njim, a 7 novajlija su drugi. Ma svi ovi srednji i manji klubovi su slabi, ništa mi se ne svidja liga. FkpCascais (talk) 11:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

International Olympiads of Cetinje 1935[edit]

Dear FkpCascais, I have noticed your huge contributions on the sports pages of Wikipedia and I was wondering if you could help me at your leisure with the following: In both these sources ([11] and [12]) I find that an international sports event, sometimes called International Olympiad (perhaps the first of its kind), was held in Cetinje, Zeta in 1935. I can't find an article in relation to them in wiki, and I was wondering if they existed, or existed under other names. They may have been important regional track and field events for the time, and I would really appreciate your help in finding other sources for them, and possibly collaborate into having an article. Albanian athletes from Shkoder participated in them, which makes it really interesting, as it may have been their first participation in an international event, that's how I became curious. Might be a challenging task, so take your time in responding me. Kindly. --PoshteMorriKuq (talk) 13:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I will try to see around if I can find something about that event. Tell me one thing, it included many sports? Football too? FkpCascais (talk) 17:35, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
The only activities mentioned are track and field events, I doubt it had other. Just to let you know, the source says that the association of Shkoder athletes was a student one, and since Shkoder didn't have a university of studies, they must have been from the few 2-3 catholic schools, along with the Madrasa Muslim one, so it must have been for young men aged 16-20. Might be a clue, perhaps. On a unrelated note, in these sources are mentioned some friendlies of the Cetinje football squad, played in the early 1920s against Vllaznia Shkoder, but they are unrelated to the Olympiad. Your correct removal of KF Tirana friendlies reminded me of the fact that most articles on pre WWII international friendlies in the Balkans should be based on articles such as these. ——PoshteMorriKuq (talk) 19:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
What I use most are books about football. Till now I haven't found any mention of that event, but it may take me time to search it. I have a passion for pre-WWII football, but the information is scares and, based on some mistakes in the past, I learned the lesson that it is better to have less information but certainly correct than lot of uncertain one. That was really the only reason I asked for removing the table of friendlies. Or, to be more precise, I didn't wanted at all the table to be removed, but just to be sourced, so we can see that the info is verified and the source of it. It is a bit late now, but tomorrow I will see some books dealing with football in Montenegro pre-1945 period and I hope the International Olympiad is mentioned there. FkpCascais (talk) 01:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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Some advice, again. Surely you must realize that someone who changes IPs faster than we change our socks has nothing to lose by edit warring with you. You must also realize that anyone not savvy to everything happening may just block both parties for edit warring. This is clearly the goal of the IP sock puppet.
Please do not be baited by this master baiter(that is someone who is very skilled in baiting). Being right won't prevent you from being blocked if you allow yourself to be manipulated, and that is the last thing I want to see. Chillum 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Chillum. The edit-warring stoped. But here they are again, now in another talk-page, making same walls of text and ignoring lists of reliable sources saying precisely the opposite. And now instead of bringing sources, they make reports... FkpCascais (talk) 16:57, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
I think we can just ignore this persons comments with a simple note below them stating that these concerns have already been addressed. They can make reports all they want, if our behaviour is beyond reproach then they will only be reporting themselves. Let us not give this POV warrior ammunition that they can use to give the appearance that they are being treated unfairly. Chillum 17:04, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hi. In basketball articles we add categories when players make official debut for the club.--Bozalegenda (talk) 12:34, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

OK, cool, I didn't knew that. Thanks. FkpCascais (talk) 13:12, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Template:Airlines of Bosnia and Herzegovina[edit]

This is a menu to help users navigate between articles on Wikipedia. For a full list of defunct airlines of Bosnia & Herzegovina, even those not on Wikipedia, one should see List of defunct airlines of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Thakaran (talk) 20:31, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

@Thakaran: thanks. It is just that usually redlinks motivate people to make those articles, I was thinking of making some of them myself. Personally I am more inclined in having the airlines listed despite being redlinked, but OK. FkpCascais (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

NATO bombing timeline in Kosovo war[edit]

FkpCascais,What do Norwegian Special Forces have to do with 'NATO bombing timeline'? An already bloated section (with its own article) is further enlarged by material completely unconnected with the section's subject. I don't know where/if the material belongs, but it clearly does not belong where it is. Accuse me of being too lazy to find a place for the material perhaps, but it doesn't belong where you restored it.Pincrete (talk) 20:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Could you suggest a better section for it? I don't oppose it at all, I just had in mind the date of the event described there. FkpCascais (talk) 01:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


Koji je tvoj problem i zašto ubacuješ neistine i hrvatsku propagandu? Ničim izazvan si ubacio navodne nacionalnosti Novakovih roditelja, bez ikakvog razloga uništavaš članak takve sportske veličine. Zna se da je Novak Srbin i nastupa za Srbiju, mnogo puta je to naveo, a da ne govorimo koliko voli svoju zemlju, Srbiju. Nije u redu da tako radiš, a time podupireš nacionalističku i šovinističku propagandu koju neki pokušavaju da primene na Novaku Djokovicu. Poništio sam tvoju izmenu, mislim da to nije tačno i nije potrebno ubacivati, hvala na razumevanju.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Ako pratiš članak mogao bi malo da pratiš i diskusije na njegovoj talk-page ;) A i da kažeš tamo možda nešto. Pozdrav. FkpCascais (talk) 18:21, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
@Soundwaweserb: i šta si ti mene ovde došao da zajebavaš i da mi soliš pamet? "Zna se da je Novak Srbin blabla..." Uuu jak ti argument, pazi ja to nisam znao! -_- ...Nema ovde "zna se" nego idi tamo vidi šta se diskutovalo i mrdni dupetom a ne ja sam na sve strane sve da radim. Oni imaju izvor da je on sam rekao da mu je majka hrvatica, a ti sad lepo uzmi i nađi izvore koji će to da demantuju ako hoćeš nešto korisno da uradiš. Jer svako može da lupa revert i drugima soli pamet. FkpCascais (talk) 18:37, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
@FkpCascais: Pa ko je ovde lud prijatelju. Jel sam ja ubacio te podatke u članak? Jel su prethodne kolege odbile da ubace takve zahteve na stranicu? Odbijeno je, oni su odbili da ubace netačne podatke, a onda si se ti pojavio i ubacio te gluposti koje zahtevaju IP adrese! Pa nemoj meni onda ti soliti pamet, a sad da se mešam ne mogu pošto mi je engleski slabiji i bio bih pogrešno protumačen. Zajebo si ti stvar što si se mešao i još si konfuzno nastupio, kao bio protiv, a onda upravo si sebe demantovao i uradio skroz pogrešnu stvar na stranici. Saberi se, ja sam na tvojoj strani, vidim da si pošten i realno radiš i pomazes srpskim vikipedijancima. Nema potrebe da gubimo vreme, ja cu svakako vracati i revertovati onakve izmene. Jebote, u sustini se slazemo a ispade da se svadjamo. Pozdrav.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 18:50, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
@FkpCascais: Ovo je vrlo vazno kao podatak link, tu je stvar jasna ko su Novakovi roditelji - obrati paznju sta govori Novakov otac, dakle nema cistije situacije, a losa namera tih IP adresa se vidi iz aviona, njih ne interesuje enciklopedija vec politika i brojanje krvnih zrnaca. Ima takodje i ovde gde jasno on sam izjavljuje za koga zeli da nastupa (referencirano). E sad, vidim da ovi likovi sa IP adresa imaju veoma lose namere, tj. pokusavaju danima da proguraju neistine, jasno je kolika je antisrpska propaganda i sta oni zele.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 19:22, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Moraš onda da dođeš tamo na diskusiju i kažeš upravo to. Ne znam ja šta se ranije tamo diskutovalo, nisam ti ja ni neki Noletov stručnjak, jeste super igra baš fino, a sad da znam ko mu je ćaća, keva, stric, sestričina, to pojma nemam. Ilegalac IP je na svim srpsko-hrvatskim debatama uvek do sada bio bezvezan i totalno bezopasan, sad jednom prvi put se naoružao izvorom, jebeš ga, kažem ti, ne znam ništa Noletov život u detalje, Cannolis je video situaciju i predložio da se ubaci to kako sam ja ubacio u slučaju da je izvor OK i ja sam to uradio, ja ti striktno poštujem izvore. Pozdrav!

Hahahahah :) -- Director (talk) 18:55, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

A šta se ti smeješ? :D Sad ćeš dobiti po guzici. Ti si se otcepio idi sad tamo slušaj tvoje purgere, nećeš da nam priznaš našu treću Jugoslaviju, kakva je takva je bila, jebeš ga, gde god sam bio nosio sam moj FR Yugoslavia pasoš, gledao moju Jugoslovensku reprezenzaciju sve do 2003. gde išao govorili da sam iz Jugoslavije, ti sad tu tebi se ona ne sviđa, ne priznaješ, one dve jesu a ova treća nije, ne može to tako nisam ti ja kriv što ste se vi cepili a mi hteli kontinuitet... A ti mali asdisis, vreme je za spavanje, ajde, sutra ujutru školica, imaš dosta da učiš mada vidim ja kako oni vas uče tu,tuga i žalost. FkpCascais (talk) 20:51, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Kapiraš ti da FRJ nije jedina pravna sljednica SFRJ? Nakon raspada Jugoslavija je prestala postojati. To što se Srbija i Crna Gora zvala Jugoslavija nema nikakve veze sa ikakvom Jugoslavijom, nego se tako nastavila zvati iz vjerojatno dva razloga. Kasnije je i promijenila ime što govori da stvarno nije bila nikakve Juga. --Tuvixer (talk) 09:22, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah, good times...

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  • "Oni imaju izvor da je on sam rekao da mu je majka hrvatica"
  • "sad jednom prvi put se naoružao izvorom"
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Must you be so obvious? The important thing is that we among each others know who's who. @Tuvixer: @Director: (talk) 02:17, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Sta me sad ovaj IP zajebaje? Fkp, ako mu je materina obitelj iz Hrvatske, neka se spomene negdje i to je to. Znas da je pola JNA bilo mijesano...

And no - I don't know "who's who". Who the hell is he? -- Director (talk) 08:39, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

@Director: , you perfectly know who's who. Someone on wikipedia is not defined by his identity, but by his edits. Fkp's edits speak for themselves. He's pushing Serbian pov. In their mindset Djokovic not being a Serb by ethnicity is an insult. They even go so far to deny Dokovic's own words. Sorry Fkp, but wiki article won't make him a Serb. As you would say, "he was only born in the area that would later become Serbia" ;) He wasn't even born in that right fkp? His parents werent that right? I guess this case shows you have no problem contradicting your own opinion. Sorry to break it to you but look at what you did in this case. I must be crazy dealing with people who don't have any problems contradicting own opinion, manipulating and lying. Sorry, but making wiki article says something to have your feelings settled is very strange. You previously tried to insert pov about third yugoslavia. Separate your feelings apart from reality. Why do I need to waste my time with you? (talk) 00:35, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

I guess you aren't in your usual battle mode because you feel bad because you made a mistake with that edit so other more experienced pov pushers are now criticizing you. Maybe you just think it will go away faster if you don't dig yourself further. Don't feel so bad, it's hard to stay consistent when you are pov pushing on so many sides. Come on. Come on, say something. Maybe I should vote to get you going.What do you say? (talk) 01:49, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Fkp is FKP. If you know what FKP fans think, you know what FKP thinks :). But I don't know who you are. Besides somebody who's makinng this far too personal than is acceptable for Wikipedia.. not that I'm one to talk.. -- Director (talk) 08:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


Do you realize the RfC was formally closed and that the consensus reads :". There is also consensus for the wording used in the Croatian War of Independence article.". What exactly is your problem? I'll ask you, who's "extremely problematic cause they are unable to accept and disengage" here? (talk) 19:36, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

The article Croatian War of Independence says:
"On 22 December 1990, the Parliament of Croatia ratified the new constitution,[89] which was seen by Serbs as taking away rights that had been granted by the Socialist constitution.[90] The constitutional amendment of 1971 of SR Croatia included a controversial formulation which stated that Croatia was not the national state of Croats but it was a state of Croats and Serbs in Croatia.[91] The new constitution changed the status of Serbs in Croatia from constituent nation to national minority.[92][93][94][95][96][97][98][99] The new constitution defined Croatia as "the national state of the Croatian nation and a state of members of other nations and minorities who are its citizens: Serbs ... who are guaranteed equality with citizens of Croatian nationality ..."[81]
So what "consensus" are you talking about? Consensus is when there is a situation of conflicting sources and editors discuss and make consensus. Regarding this issue here, there were no pevious consensuses and all we have is a text backed on reliable sources. There are no conflicting sources so there is no conflict. Just you wanting to make changes and challenging what seems setled. FkpCascais (talk) 21:26, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Do you really think I wouldn't go to the history to see what happened. You make that edit unilaterally while the RfC was still opened, which just proves your bad faith. You first reference a RfC there and while it is still opened you go and make the changes yourself. Nevertheless, the editor who closed the edit referenced the exact sentence he was speaking about at the end of RfC. (talk) 22:43, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
So, are you saying all those authors that are cited almost verbatin are all wrong, and you are right? FkpCascais (talk) 22:49, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm saying that the consensus is established in the closed RfC and that it supports my edit request. The user who closed the RfC and assessed the consensus had confirmed that my suggestion is according to the consensus. I ask you again, what's your problem? (talk) 23:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
The only one having problems here is you. The articles are there, are excellently sourced, its just you having nothing better to do than continuing this fight just because you cant accept what sources say. FkpCascais (talk) 23:27, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
The only one having problems here is you. The RfC is there, it is closed and the consensus is established, its just you having nothing better to do than continuing this fight just because you cant accept what the consensus says. (talk) 23:39, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedic project based on reliable sources and verifiability. It can be a million of you wanting something, but if sources say otherwise you cant have it in a encyclopedia. You can write a blog... FkpCascais (talk) 00:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
You are not having anyhing better to do than continuing this fight just because you cant accept what the consensus says. (talk) 07:22, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

RFC review[edit]

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I am working on creating a long term abuse case against Asdisis. I think you are more familiar with this character than anyone else. It would help a lot if you could help compile a list of accounts/ips/pages this user has used. An LTA case requires a fair amount of evidence of long term abuse however in this case I am sure we have enough. Once an LTA case is created it is far easier to explain routine enforcement, get admins unaware of the situation to help, and to dismiss baseless accusations from this user.

I started filling out the LTA page but realized I was lacking in research. I am a bit busy today but I can spend some more time on this tomorrow or in the evening. Ideally we should go back as far as possible as the main requirement of LTA is that we demonstrate it to be a long term problem. HighInBC 19:35, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Maybe I can help, since you think I'm Asdisis and I am not, here are my discussions I had in the last few months. I have nothing to hide because I wasn't disruptive and no one had complained about me except for this user and you.

(1) A RfC on Serbs of Croatia with my suggestion accepted by a formal closure. No other editors but FkpCascais complained about my behavior. [15]

(2) A RfC on Yugoslavia where my suggestion is accepted by an agreement between me and other 4 editors. No other editors complained about my behavior. He backed down after seeing he isn't going to win this. [16]

(3) An edit request on Novak Djokovic page where I supported a secondary source of Djokovic himself speaking of his ethnicity. I wanted to include it in the article, because why not, it's a reliable secondary source. [17]

(4) An edit request on Austro-Hungary for a minor edit, to chane the name of one list. [18]

(5) An edit on Triune Kindom where a lead is claiming something different that the source which stands as a refference. I was reverted, but I hope a discussion will resolve this, since I'm only advocating to put a sentece from the source and remove the one that doesn't even appear in the source. [19]

(6) An edit on Far-right_politics_in_Croatia where I corrected one statement. No one reverted me. [20] (talk) 20:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes @HighInBC:, I will help. @IP, thanks for the clarification, why dont you tell us what more have you done? FkpCascais (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
All this power! No, no. I must use it only for good. I admin I am in fact you. ;) (talk) 01:45, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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The other half[edit]

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Take a deep breath. You're taking this too much at heart for something that's in no way directly related to you (and maybe so am I). Your apologies are accepted. We don't have to freeze our opinion about this geopolitical debate in stone, do we? Let's reason about it point by point, just to make a good encyclopedia. LjL (talk) 14:06, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I guess this is the other half...[edit]

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Sad it has to come to this. You seem to alternate between periods of cool-headedness and periods... well, periods. LjL (talk) 00:11, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

I am letting myself be affected by my emotions? Are you even hearing yourself? You had several chances to get yourself heard without making a huge fuss. I gave you several. I tried to at least come to a compromise that would actually erode some of the RfC consensus for you. Now don't blame me if some material that you consider well-sourced will be left out - blame yourself alone. LjL (talk) 00:42, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
For God sake, 20+ books cant be wrong. They all say Serbs lost cnstitutive nation status, majority agree it was important change, majority puts side-by-side the constitutional change along the several other losses of rights that happend. All time you are telling me "Oh Direktor even agrees with that but..." (for God sake, I couldnt care less that nationalist agrees or not, sources count!)... Not even once you had the guts to accept the majority of sources point of view and work by them, but you allways choose their side, whch is basically questioning reliable sources by own thoughts! Am I wrong? FkpCascais (talk) 00:46, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Yes. LjL (talk) 00:56, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Ajuda (tradução)[edit]

Olá meu caro F, tudo bem? Espero que sim.

Um pequeno favor: estive a limpar (e como) o artigo do Gregor Balažic, e preciso que vejas se traduzi bem a situação dele com os (não)penalties. É que aquilo estava num "inglês" que não sabia se chorar ou rir, para além de POV. Se errei na minha composição, peço desculpas à WP em geral, mas foi o melhor que consegui fazer tendo de ler aquilo e sem perceber sérvio.

Parece que o compadre começado por 178 (tem vários IP assim) não percebe que isto é uma enciclopédia, e acho que já tem vários avisos. Um bom fim de semana, abraços e obrigado de antemão. -- (talk) 05:09, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

  • Fiz/disse algo que não devia? Acho que não, e acho que não insultei o teu (muito provavelmente) compatriota, disse que ele usou Google Translate e deu no que deu, tal como digo sem problemas que não pesco uma palavra de sérvio, e mesmo por isso nunca editaria nessa WP para não fazer um mau trabalho. -- (talk) 18:23, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Podes-me indicar um utilizador sérvio que compreenda bem inglês, por favor? Não incomodo mais, não percebo mas não incomodo. -- (talk) 01:08, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Oh Vasco, desculpa -_- ando muito pouco por ca, desculpa esqueci mesmo. Espera, agora te faco isso, to em casa tranquilo e com tempo. FkpCascais (talk) 01:22, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
É o segundo paragrafo da seccao do Partizan? A primeira source, a 10, do site oficial do Partizan, nao fala em nada daquilo por isso nao deveria estar la. Depois, a source 11 se refere a situacao do derby contra o Estrela Vermelha na qual ele tava na grande-area do Estrela e foi derrubado pelo defesa central deles, Vukašin Jovanović, e deveria ter sido penalty. A source 12 se refere a uma stuacao do jogo entre o Vojvodina e o Partizan mas Balazic nem é mencionado, portanto deve ser tirada do artigo. Resumindo, as sources 10 e 12 estao la mal metidas, e a 11 fala do tal penalty nao assinalado sobre Balazic (nao por Balazic como ta agora no texto) e a source o comfirma, mas snceramente, acho isso tao trivial e fofoqueiro, por mim todo o paragrafo podia ser bem retirado. Se queres, podes deixar a tal situacao do derby e nesse caso diz-me e te ajudo a escrevermos bem la aquilo. Oh meu querido Vasco, achaste que nao te respondi porque tava zangado ou algo, nao bem pelo contrario, simplesmente ando atarefado na vida e esqueci-me completamente. Ca na wiki o pouco tempo que tenho tido tive metido num caso de historia/politica que meteu reports pelo meio, e com isso fiquei distraido. Es sempre muito bem vindo meu caro! FkpCascais (talk) 01:36, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Obrigado meu caro, igualmente. É que (parvamente) penso sempre isso que vejo alguém em modo "log on" e não me responde :( Sim, por favor, limpa tudo aquilo que tiver que ser limpo, eu já fiz um bom (trabalho) no rapaz, agora é a tua vez. Sim, é isto que precisa de ser verificado: "On 25 April 2015, during the Eternal derby against Red Star Belgrade, Balažic committed a penalty, but referee Milorad Mažić did not concede it.[10] A week later, against FK Vojvodina, he brought down an opponent but, again, nothing was awarded; later, he admitted he did commit the infraction". Também, se conseguires uma referência para a estreia dele contra o Radnicki belo, senão também não faz mal, não quero abusar.

Abraços de volta, boa sorte nos relatórios - -- (talk) 02:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Posso tirar o paragrafo todo. Isso ou deixar so a situacao do derby. Que opcao achas melhor? FkpCascais (talk) 02:43, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Deixa o derby, sempre é melhor que nada. O resto (ainda por cima se dizes que há coisas que são ou MENTIRA ou FOFOCA)... fora! -- (talk) 03:08, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Combinado. FkpCascais (talk) 04:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Óptimo! Foi só trocar "faul" por "foul", bom trabalho. Muito obrigado (da minha parte e da WP claro!), que tenhas um bom descanso. -- (talk) 04:17, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Nao sei como, tinha visto mal os links, mas vi os bem agora e ta la tudo certo. Abraco grande! FkpCascais (talk) 04:22, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

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Namerno sam te revertovao da bi video o čemu se radi. Ja kad vidim da je neko menjao nešto bezveze, ja vraćam ručno, jer neki umeju da budu prilično dosadni. Ovako odmah vidiš u čemu je problem. Ne ljutiš se, nadam se.:) I ja bih verovatno pomislio da je to isti igrač. Pazi, isto se zove, golman, ali vidiš... Znao sam da ne mogu da dovode igrače jer su im svi mogući računi u blokadi, ja mislim. Setio sam se ovog izveštaja od proletos, kad su 98/99 bili kadeti, tako da sam bio siguran o čemu se radi. Bodovni saldo im je gori nego Slogin prošle sezone, jedino što ih vadi jeste da su im igrači mladi, ali pitanje da li su uopšte vezani bilo kakvim ugovorima. Lotom (talk) 20:45, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

To, to, shvatio sam i ja da je to klinac iz njihovog omladinskog pogona, nije uopšte onaj što sam ja mislio. FkpCascais (talk) 20:56, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Nikola Vukčević[edit]

Since your page move please can you fix the broken links at Nikola Vukčević (footballer)? GiantSnowman 12:49, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Did it right? FkpCascais (talk) 16:25, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
No, you need to fix the broken links e.g. like this. I have done it for you. GiantSnowman 18:19, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Oh yes, sorry. Thank you GS. I have been having some limited time to be around here and probably even less time I will have in the following days, so I am leaving wishes of happy hollydays for you my friend and your loved ones FkpCascais (talk) 18:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

RfC on Tito[edit]

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Ivo Andrić[edit]

Sorry about this [21] FKP, but this is the long-time nationalist troll Velebit/Purger and I'm tired of that shit. This time it geolocates to Toronto, maybe visiting its relatives (holiday season...), but it WP:DUCKs loud and clear. Perhaps User:Joy or User:Vanjagenije might apply a banhammer? No such user (talk) 10:17, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

The first IP is new. The second IP is on blocklists, probably some open proxy. The third one is in a known netblock. The shoe generally fits... --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:18, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
No problem, I wasnt aware of any of that. Regards to both. FkpCascais (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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I am recently having rather issues/struggling with one of the Editors of Albania U21 national football team (who seems to be writing rubbish as he keeps renaming Macedonian football clubs with Albanian names and keep changing the Macedonian clubs flag into Albanian) and refuses to change them and keeps arguing to me in Albanian and writing UCK messages to me (you can see that if you click on my talk profile). Then, when I opened his profile, I realised that you had similar issues with him as well, and you had told him you will report him for his behaviour. I wanted to ask if you did that and if you know how I can report him (as Im unsure how that works)?

Here is a link to his profile:

I never reported him but I didnt had that much problems with him like you are having now. I saw what he posted on your talk page and also his edit yes, there is definitelly ground for a report cause that is natioalistic editing. You can report him at WP:ANI. FkpCascais (talk) 11:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Participating in future discussions[edit]

I am willing to discuss the matter at length, but I'm not sure I will be able to do it in a swift and expedient manner due to my off-wiki obligations. What currently interests me the most is user:Director's comment on Serbs being relegated as "a minority" in the 1991 Croatian Census - whether this is true or not. This could be a turning point on deciding to incorporate the thing about "the loss of constitutive status" since it seems to me that this relegation is a solid proof for the loss of status having direct consequences for the Serbs. Feel free to share any thoughts on this - I think it would be most useful if you would do it on the article's talk page. As for me making any formal review of the RfC I am not sure there's any need for this until it is settled whether the RfC ended at all, but I am prepared to review the matter. Of course, any help would be much appreciated. All the best, --biblbroks (talk | contribs) 21:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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Haris Medunjanin[edit]

Tive (se reparares no historial de edições) um trabalhão dos diabos para melhorar o artigo do gajo, não me parece que esse pormenor do país seja dos mais relevantes. Só uma opinião, claro, e não reverti nada como podes comprovar.

Um abraço, bom fim de semana -- (talk) 23:13, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Vasco, da uma olhadela em Talk:Republic_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Proposal_of_merge porque é disto que se trata sobre esse editor. FkpCascais (talk) 23:49, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

RNK Split[edit]

hey man, read it well the article of RNK Split and you will know, thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 17:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Eni please, RNK Split is allways written as RNK Split, never just Split, please see all articles like league seasons and so. Really, RNK in case of RNK Split is like AEK for AEK Athens, we dont remove AEK and leave just "Athens". FkpCascais (talk) 18:53, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
So Nogomenti klub mean "Football club (FC or CF)" and Radnički mean "work/job" or how can we say it? Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 13:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
@Eni.Sukthi.Durres: sorry Eni, I only noteced now you had messaged me here. Yes, Radnički is an adjective to indicate the club belongs, or it was formed, by labors union. In the case of RNK Split, it was the labor union of the Split shipyard which was quite big, employed 1000s of workers, and one of the most important industries in the city. The club was formed before WWWII during the monarchic period and many club reflected back then the division between leftists and rightists, and in practice that meant many were named Radnički (if it was a workers class club) or Građanski (meaning "citizens" if the club was more burguoise). If you look at league tables or club lists troghout history, you will see allways written "RNK Split" and I personally probably saw most such lists on the internet and I dont remember ever seing writen just "Split". I noteced someone added that at the top of the article RNK Split recently, I removed it, it can only be some very recent tendency but I even doubt that. I showed you how it removes FCs, FKs, etcc. from club names but leaves RNK in case of RNK Split. RSSSF does the same. Most player articles use it too in the infobox, and all season articles do. The club should have probably became known as Radnički Split (some old books use it) but probably because there were already so many clubs named Radnički in Yugoslavia (Niš, Kragujevac, Beograd, Sombor, Pirot, Obrenovac, Šid, Kovin, Svilajnac, Lukavica, etc.) the club decided to make RNK their name, similarly as OFK Beograd instead of Omladinski chosed to be known by OFK, and since then RNK in RNK Split and OFK in OFK Beograd became like the AEK in AEK Athens, PAOK, AIK Solna, GAK Graz, MTK Budapest, CSKA Moscow and Sofia, LASK Linz, etc. more than FCs, FKs, NKs, PFCs, etc. FkpCascais (talk) 02:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok now I get it, is such as one of our clubs, KF Elbasani, the owner of national stadium Elbasan Arena when our countries were faced on 8 October last year, they used to call themselves KF PUNA (FC Work/Job) in '50, see at article of the club: .....KS Elbasani in 1949 and KF Puna Elbasan in 1950. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 14:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


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It is indef-banned user Asdisis continuing his fight. Thank you. FkpCascais (talk) 18:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Mate Bilić[edit]

Meu caro, podes ajudar aqui, apesar de as referências estarem em croata? "Penso" (note-se a ironia) que te safas melhor do que eu...

Referência #5: penso que traduzi (tudo) bem, só falta o começo, "nece Bilica", o Bilica tem alguma coisa a ver com o nome do jogador (já pensei melhor, penso que deve estar a falar do SLAVEN Bilic, não é?)? #6: só consegui traduzir o nome do país, Liechtenstein; #7: também penso que estará bem, sem certezas.

Cumprimentos, tudo do melhor e obrigado de antemão -- (talk) 02:43, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

A #5 ja corregi, e a #6 quer dizer: "Enchidas as redes do Liechtenstein" (tipo tom de missao cumprida) mas nao lembro agora da expressao inglesa para "encher redes", mas é isso que esta la. Abraco! FkpCascais (talk) 03:25, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Obrigado, meu bom homem! Não, por acaso não dei latim, conheço umas citações mas aprendidas por "conta própria". Eh pá, acho que esqueceste de traduzir o "neće Bilića" na referência #5, podes dar uma olhadela? Eu vou arranjar a que fala do Liechtenstein, com as infos que me passaste. Uma boa noite são os meus desejos, caso seja possível! -- (talk) 03:42, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Sim, desculpa, a primeira parte, "Bilić neće Bilića" quer dizer "Bilić nao que Bilić". Em ingles seriia algo como "Bilić doesnt want Bilić" suponho. FkpCascais (talk) 03:45, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Eu faço, não te preocupes. Força aí! -- (talk) 03:48, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Piksi and Co.[edit]

When are you going to work on Dragan Stojković, Siniša Mihajlović, Vladimir Jugović? :).--Zoupan 07:06, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Good question. The thing is that rather than on main issues I usually work more on obscure ones, the ones that no one, or just a few touch, and the things missing. I usually jump-over the most known players supposing many people already works and patrolls those articles. But now that you mentioned, I gave a look and I am shocked about the poor state of the article of Jugović :( . Piksi is ammong my idols and could also have a better article. Mihajlović one is well expanded and will certainly steadily grow with the high impact of his coaching career. But regarding football, I have been focused for some time now on the pre-WWII period. The next big expansion I am planning to do is to write the entire history of BSK in the OFK Beograd article (possibly make a separate article History of OFK Beograd where the history of the most sucessfull K. of Yugoslavia club will be expanded. If you look at the OFK article there is so little about it, while in comparison HŠK Građanski Zagreb looks already quite fine. I already expanded quite a lot SK Jugoslavija and created some club articles of Serbian clubs from back then. FkpCascais (talk) 07:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
I created and wrote some time ago the entire List of Serbian football champions so after that II jumped into less expanded historical periods. FkpCascais (talk) 07:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
I understand, it's the same everywhere, it's more interesting to edit the obscure ones! I am about to ask WPSRB to list high-importance and popular articles that people are willing to edit and improve, in a cooperative effort, and just thought to ask you about some football-related ones. Thank you, work looks good.--Zoupan 12:01, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
@Zoupan: I see, would you like me to make a list of the most important football-related articles for our WikiProject? PS: Sometime in some near future I would really like to work on Serbian Empire and Stefan Dušan and make them good-article. FkpCascais (talk) 21:19, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
@Zoupan: hey what happend? You want the list of articles? Want me to make it here or somewhere else? I will start here:
Most important: Serbia national football team, consequently Serbia and Montenegro national football team and Yugoslavia national football team, then Football Association of Serbia, Serbian SuperLiga, FK Partizan, Red Star Belgrade, Eternal derby (Serbia).
Very important: Football in Serbia, List of Serbian football champions, Yugoslav First League, First League of Serbia and Montenegro, Football Association of Yugoslavia, Football Association of Serbia and Montenegro, championship winning teams FK Vojvodina, OFK Beograd, SK Jugoslavija, Serbian Cup.
Important: top players and coaches Dragan Džajić, Dragan Stojković, Siniša Mihajlović, Dejan Stanković, Savo Milošević, Mateja Kežman, Vladimir Jugović, Slaviša Jokanović, Miroslav Đukić, Radomir Antić, Bora Milutinović, Slobodan Santrač, Nemanja Vidić, Branislav Ivanović, Nemanja Matić, Aleksandar Kolarov, Vujadin Boškov, Danilo Stojanović, Lazar Marković, Nikola Žigić, Predrag Đorđević, Saša Ilić (footballer, born 1972), Dragan Mance, Momčilo Vukotić, Rajko Mitić, Ratomir Dujković, Lazar Marković, Milinko Pantić, Blagoje Marjanović, Aleksandar Tirnanić, Svetislav Glišović, Ivan Golac, Milovan Jakšić, Miodrag Ješić, Dragoslav Šekularac, Velibor Vasović, Darko Kovačević, Danko Lazović, Miljan Miljanić, Miloš Milutinović, Zoran Mirković, Ivan Tomić, Aleksandar Mitrović (footballer), Matija Nastasić, Slavoljub Muslin, Marko Pantelić, Dejan Petković, Ilija Petković, Ljupko Petrović, Milovan Rajevac, Mirko Poledica, Xhevat Prekazi, Velimir Sombolac, Milutin Šoškić, Aleksandar Tomašević, Zvonimir Vukić.
Serbia national under-21 football team, Serbia national under-19 football team, Marakana Stadium, Partizan Stadium, Serbian First League, Grobari, Delije, 1991 European Cup Final, 1991 Intercontinental Cup, 1966 European Cup Final, List of FK Partizan players, List of Red Star Belgrade footballers, Yugoslav Cup, Serbia and Montenegro Cup, Serbian football league system, Serbia women's national football team.
It may be still incomplete. FkpCascais (talk) 03:49, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


Kako ćemo za njega, video sam da si vodio diskusiju sa Borom, ali bi trebalo da kopamo malo da vidimo da li je stigao baš iz Emeleca, ili ne. Inače, za nekoliko minuta protiv Čuke pokazao više nego ceo tim Metalca za 80 minuta. Brz, jak i ima tehniku. Podseća me na Borhu dok je igrao u Zvezdi. Mane su mu, rekao bih fizička sprema i koji kilogram viška. Lotom (talk) 18:35, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

To, to, bravo, super si mu napravio članak Walberto Caicedo, ubacujmo ono što imamo pa će mo polako kompletirati mu celu karijeru. FkpCascais (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Pomoć 2[edit]

Jeste da nisam deo ekipe sa wiki koja uređuje fudbal, već košarku, uprkos tome bih da Vam pružim malu pomoć zato što mislim da bi Vam to pomoglo. Izvinjavam se ako sam ovim gestom možda uradio nešto što nisam smeo (po pravilima same wiki), nadam se da mi nećete zameriti radi dobre namere. Evo ovako, na ovom sajtu ima nekih stvari koje nedostaju Vama koji uređujete vezano za fudbal, a da bi Vam bilo i te kako od koristi (jer sam primetio da na ovom sajtu ima stvari koje niste do sada objavili). Puno pozdrava i sve najbolje u daljem životu i radu. — Nn94 14 (talk) 08:57, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Ja saradjujem sa tim sajtom. Pogledaj Pozdrav. FkpCascais (talk) 11:52, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
To nisam znao dok malopre nisam pogledao na linku koji si ostavio, onda moje izvinjenje. Nadam se da mi nećeš zameriti jer sam hteo pomoći iz dobre namere. U svakom slučaju, hvala što si me ispravio za taj podatak. Potrebno mi je jedno tvoje mišljenje kao iskusnog vikipedijanca. Prilikom pravljenja lista šampiona/prvaka nekog takmičenja po sezonama, da li je bolje da se ta lista stavi na glavnoj stranici samog takmičenja ili je bolje da se ta lista stavi na posebnu stranicu koja bi se naznačila na glavnoj stranici tog takmičenja? Ako misliš da ima neko treće rešenje koje je bolje od predhodna dva pomenuta, reci slobodno. — Nn94 14 (talk) 13:27, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
@Nn94 14: Ma opušteno, taj sajt je sjajan, on je naš najbolji sajt, prvi do sada koji će da ima kmpletne podatke o svim sezonama naše prve lige još od 1923. Ogroman posao ali će rezultat biti fantastičan. Čekam samo da se dovrše joše neke sitnice sezona do 1940 pa da počnem da ga ubacujem u sve članke vamo.
Što se tvog pitanja tiče, obično lista sa sezonama i prvacima je na glavnoj strani te lige. Jedino ako članak već nije prevelik pa da postoji potreba da se lista stavi u posebnom članku. FkpCascais (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Spisak večitih derbija[edit]

U povodu 150. večitog derbija, ja bih te molio da ako imaš vremena da napraviš spisak svih večitih derbija između Crvene Zvezde i Partizana što u prvenstvu, što u kupu i u ostalim ("prijateljskim") utakmicama. Unapred zahvalan. Jolicnikola (talk) 15:58, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@Jolicnikola: To je definitivno dobra stvar da se napravi ali zahteva puno rada i vremena, ništa ne obećavam. Je li imaš neki članak da daš kao primer? Jesi mislio da se napravi kao poseban članak tipa utakmice reprezentacija samo u ovom slučaju bi bila lista 150 derbija, ili nešto poput ovoga? Idealno bi bilo imati sve utakmice od prve do zadnje sa sve postavama ali tako nešto nema šanse sad da nađem vremena da napravim. FkpCascais (talk) 02:08, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Pa ne moraju biti i postave, nego samo strelci golova i broju gledalaca na svim derbijima kao i na tom članku o Hrvatskom derbiju. Jolicnikola (talk) 03:41, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Vidim. Skoro svi u Eternal derby koriste taj format. Fali srpskom večitom derbiju, definitivno ih treba tako nabrajati, ali napraviti tu tablu je jedan dosadan podugačak posao. Videću ovih dana ako budem mogao da izdvojim neko vreme za to, to bi najbolje bilo sesti i odraditi sve odjednom do kraja. Ako hoćeš ti, napravi je ti. Je li imaš negde listu svih derbija sa datumima i strelcima ili hoćeš da nađem to negde? FkpCascais (talk) 04:27, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Možeš i u delovima ali na prefiksu User:FkpCascais/ ili u sandboxu. Što se tiče liste evo ima je na ovom linku, ali je ta lista pomalo zastarela, pa da pronađeš te derbije iz prošle godine na Soccerway-u. Mnogo pozdrava ti želi Jolicnikola (talk) 04:36, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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Zaključavanje stranice[edit]

Ne želim da me shvatiš pogrešno, ali mi treba jedna mala pomoć. Na stranici KK FMP postoji dosta "anonimusa" (ne prijavljenih korisnika) koji postavljaju / uklanjaju sadržaj na stranici koji je ne potkrepljen referencama / sumnjive je sadržine / uklanjaju bez razloga. Zato sam pomišljao da se pomenuta stranica zaključa od anonimnih izmena da bi se gore navedeni problem izbegao / sveo na minimum. Ako bi mogao da izneseš tvoje mišljenje po tom pitanju. — Nn94 14 (talk) 16:39, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Da, da, trebao bi da tražiš nekom adminu da stavi semi-protection. FkpCascais (talk) 17:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Jel tu opciju zaključavanja može izvršiti samo neki od admina pa se iz tog razloga moram se obratiti njima radi toga ili ? — Nn94 14 (talk) 18:25, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Da, samo oni mogu da zaključavaju strane. Je li imaš nekoga ko je prisutan u košarkaškim člancima ili sa kojim si već imao kontakta? FkpCascais (talk) 19:37, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Nažalost ne. Sa nekolicinom sam bio u kontaktu, ali ti više nisu aktivni na wiki. A i dok su bili aktivni, oni nisu bili admini. — Nn94 14 (talk) 20:55, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


Ok, peace.(KIENGIR (talk) 23:16, 16 March 2016 (UTC)).

PLS '16[edit]

Evo šta me zanima, kako su ovi naši lelemudi rešili da nešto kao profesionalizuju, iako je sadašnje stanje daleko od toga, nisam siguran kakva su pravila za raniji period. Recimo, sad hoćemo retrospektivno da se pozabavimo prvom ligom i to. Pošto znaš da volim da se gubim u pisanju stranica za neke manje bitne likove, a i ti vodiš računa o 99% stranaca koji trče našim livadama. Da li se ovaj status računa isključivo od drugog dela tekuće sezone, ili se to sada odnosi na ligu od osnivanja? Čisto da ne trošim vreme, ukoliko će biti izbrisano. Lotom (talk) 11:54, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

@Lotom: eh, video si verovatno da sam otvorio bio temu PLS i ubačena je u listu pro liga. Nema veze što mi znamo da situacija nije idealna, ima tamo na listi i gorih. Pravo da ti kažem ne znam što se tiče tog pitanja retroaktivnosti. Generalno mislim da se primenjuje retroaktivnost, jer kad god se otvori pitanje da li je neki igrač notable dovoljno je da se vidi da li ima nastupe u nekoj od pro liga ali ne pamtim da se gledalo da li su ti nastupi pre ili poste vremena od kad je ta liga profesionalna. Moj predlog je da ne preteramo jer jedinu brigu koju su tamo spomenuli je ta da se ne preplavi sad vikipedija sa člancima o njima nebitnim igračima koji su jedino igrali u našoj PLS. Za početak bolje da pravimo samo biografije igrača sa većim iskustvom. FkpCascais (talk) 08:45, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Apsolutno nema potrebe za preterivanjem, s tim sam potpuno saglasan. Možda doduše odradim strane za ove perspektivnije klince po filijalama, ali ne verujem ni da mogu da stignem nešto naročito, jer me čeka pakao na faksu narednih dana. E sad, ono oko čega planiram da se iscimam jesu sadašnji i bivši igrači kraljevačke Sloge, to moram. Kad koliko stignem i za koje procenim da su ostavili nešto dublji trag. Lotom (talk) 11:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Goran Vučević[edit]

Meu caro Filip, vai uma ajudinha se puder ser?

Então é assim: referência #3, não percebo porque é que o outro utilizador a pôs lá uma vez que não se fala do Vucevic UMA vez que seja, mas enfim, deixei ficar; nâo consegui foi traduzir muito bem, e espanta-me (usando o Google Translate, que sei que não é muito fiável mas é aquilo com que eu posso trabalhar) que a palavra "foram" ("were" em ingles, "bile" em croata) esteja entre aspas. E "Katu" (traduzido como "floor") não faço a minima ideia que contexto possa ter.

Referência #4, acho que fiz tudo bem. #5: acho que está mal, mas se visses o resultado que me deu o Google T até tinhas pesadelos! Referência #6, acho que está mais ou menos bem traduzido, mas não percebo o que quer dizer o "no" com letra grande.

Desde já o meu muito obrigado em nome da WP, um abraço português e tudo do melhor! --Be Quiet AL (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Boas querido Vasco, ca vai:
A reference 3 traduzida quer dizer "As melhores equipes do Hajduk: So o Ajax conseugiu parar ao Katalinić e aos Brancos" ("Kata" é a alcunha do treinador de entao, Ivan Katalinić, e "bili" quer dizer "Brancos" que é a alcunha do Hajduk. Portanto em Ingles: "Top teams, Hajduk 95: Katalinić Whites stopped only by Ajax." ... qq coisa assim.
A reference 4 sim, esta otima.
A 5 é uma citacao de Brbić. Seria assim: "Brbić: Vučević se demitiu sob ameacas de violencia, ajudem o Hajduk a salvar a epoca!" en ingles algo do genero: "Brbić: Vučević resigned under threat of violence, help Hajduk to save the season!"
A 6 sim, fizeste perfeito, so te falta o tal "NO" que sao as iniciais de "Nadzorni odbor" que é o ... opa tipo "Comissao de supervisao". FkpCascais (talk) 01:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Assim sim, o GT merece nota 6 mas tu um 10! Obrigadíssimo, vou já tratar do assunto ;) --Be Quiet AL (talk) 03:36, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Abraco grande! FkpCascais (talk) 04:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Hvala na azuriranju moje stranice,dodao sam tacne podatke sto se tice nastupa i golova. Pozdrav. Zdenko Muf Milkodjurovski (talk) 01:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


Hello, Struzhanecot is indeed a person from Struga. I hope Im not too late with my answer :)

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Zdenko Muf[edit]

Jos jednom hvala vama,vi ste prvi postavili moju stranicu na Wiki-ju. Drago mi je kada mi se jave prijatelji i poznanici i kazu da su videli moju stranicu ili golove na Youtube-u. Verovali ili ne ja imam kompletnu svoju statistiku,cak i iz mladjih kategorija. Sto se tice IMT-a,bio sam godinu dana na dvojnoj registraciji iz Radnickog. Ja nigde nisam nasao na netu svoje podatke ni iz IMT-a,pa cak ni iz Radnickog,Panelefsinijakosa...... Ako ja za sebe nisam relevantan izvor,onda ne znam ko je? Linkove ka mojim golovima na Youtube-u sam stavio jer vidim da ih imaju jos neki fudbaleri,pa ne razumem zasto ih meni skida taj editor. A i ne razumem zasto Youtube ne bi bio pouzdan izvor,ako Meksicki komentator (uostalom kao i svi Latino komentatori)sa toliko zara komentarise moje golove pomenuvsi moje ime i prezime?! Drago mi je da nam je zajednicko - zivot u Meksiku,pa cete se verovatno sloziti sa tim. Sve cestitke za vas rad,vidim da ste postavili mnogo stranica o nasem fudbalu. Srdacan pozdrav. Zdenko Muf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkodjurovski (talkcontribs) 00:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Hugo Filipe Oliveira[edit]

In the translated title for the last reference, can you replace the "_" with what "muslinu" means in this context? I'm guessing it's something like "craque"? '''tAD''' (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Mais tradução: no Slaviša Jokanović, podes dar um toque na referência #9, por favor? O Google Translate voltou a fazer das suas, só deu merda :)

Obrigado como sempre, bom trabalho --Be Quiet AL (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

A que diz " Nisam navijao za zvezdu u bariju " ? Literalmente "Nao torci pelo Estrela em Bari". Isso é ele a dizer que nao torceu pelo Estrela Vermelha na final da Taca dos Campeoes em Bari em 1991 quando o E. Vermelha se sagrou campeao Europeu. Ele diz isso porque foi jogador e sempre torcedor do Partizan. Portanto a traducao desse titulo seria algo como "I didnt supported Red Star in their final in Bari". Abraco! FkpCascais (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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Elvir Bolić[edit]

Meu caro,

não sei se a cena de tirar as estatísticas do Estrela Vermelha da caixa era para mim (não estive para ler o historial de edições todo), mas se fui eu não fiz de propósito (devo ter ido pelo Aliás, por falar em historial, verás se quiseres que tenho melhorado mais o artigo que piorado.

E que fiz desta vez, depois de compôr as tuas edições: retirei a referência dos golos pelo EV na caixa e pus na história (fica feio na caixa, a minha modesta opinião, metemos na história e fica referenciado à mesma. Compus o aspecto das referências que adicionaste (não consegui fazê-lo com a #3 porque não abre, já estará morta uma semana depois de ter sido adicionada?), compus a linguagem, foi tudo.

Em relação à caixa, acho que se deve fazer diferenciação só quando o jogador (neste caso) jogou por vários CELIK ou RED STAR, não é o caso, bastava fazer referência na história e escusava de se alargar a caixa. Os nomes das repúblicas não poderem ser mostrados por extenso, não concordo mas já não vou bater na mesma tecla.

Saudações, um grande fim de semana --Be Quiet AL (talk) 21:46, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Querido Vasco, eu nem sabia que tu tinhas editado essa pagina, eu falei aquilo em geral (normalmente se falo para ti sabes que o faco em Portugues). O Čelik é nome comum de mais de um clube na ex-Jugoslavia, e o Red Star é o problema do de Paris que tambem é famoso. Abraco! FkpCascais (talk) 12:49, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Minor things[edit]

Ok -- MilanKovacevic (talk) 17:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

references to former Yugoslavia in modern-day player infoboxes[edit]

In general, Yugoslav constituent republics were always countries in the other conventional sense of the word, and particularly in the one relevant to the young players who by and large don't even remember Yugoslavia since their country became another state. We've seen endless anonymous revert wars about this, and the most stable articles in my experience were those where the whole country name from the time of birth was spelled out. The only issue I recall in the same period was the length, esp. in the case of Bosnia and Herzegovina, which was usually fixed by adding a line break, and it never seemed to bother anyone again. Which is to say, I only ever recall seeing a single continued revert war on a player article about that issue after that.

I went looking for this WP:FOOTY consensus you mentioned, and the only thing I could find was Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 34. That's from 2009, and the caveats from WP:LOCALCONSENSUS clearly apply. WP:ARBMAC is no less relevant to the issue. If you want to re-litigate this, please bring it up in a forum that doesn't involve only people interested in football but all relevant editors. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I searched further and I see now that there's a more recent discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 95#Birthplace in infoboxes. Either way, I don't see consensus there for removing mentions of full old country names. Is there a newer discussion still? Please let me know. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 18:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

There are the discussions that happend and always gave the same result. Here is one, here another one and the more recent one where I clearly without any pretention ask about it here. Also, I don't understand what do you mean by "full old name countries", SFR Yugoslavia is the full name. FkpCascais (talk) 20:35, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
If you want Joy, open a new discussion and expose your views. I don't have a strong stand on this, all I think is that whatever consensus applies, it shoud be applied to all former-Yugoslav countries, that is why I oppose your unilateral changes just for SR Croatia players. FkpCascais (talk) 20:38, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Obviously I support using the same scheme for all. I've only noticed it at the .hr players because that's where I've typically had to police edit wars about it.
What I mean by full name is that the countries of Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, ... did not cease to exist just because they became part of the country of Yugoslavia. They were no longer sovereign states, but the conventional English meaning of the term 'country' has always included non-states, notably with England, Wales, Scotland. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:37, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Also, as luck would have it, the anonymous edit warring over this continued practically immediately after I was reverted again - [22]. It's fairly clear that failure to have this compromise leads to more work for everyone. Let's not repeat the faulty patterns that we've known about for decades now. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Just please establish consensus first. FkpCascais (talk) 14:44, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
I also don't think you have any support in your peculiar view that the republics forming Yugoslavia were the "countries". I hope it is not some game of words or something, but I think it is quite clear that "the country" until early 1990s was Yugoslavia. Let me know if you open a discussion on this, cheers. FkpCascais (talk) 14:56, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
You don't think months and years of articles being edit-war-free with this combination indicates any support? I would beg to differ. And it's not a game of words, it's just an application of the article country. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Joy, tons of articles of footballers from former Yugoslavia are very stable saying country of birth was Yugoslavia. Exceptions the ones from Kosovo, and even those have stabilised by now, and the few Croatian footballers ones you changed but soon were all reverted by several senior editors. About the second issue, I doubt your theory how the republics forming Yugoslavia are to be considred "countries" will have some support. Then that would mean what? That Yugoslavia was some sort of EU? United Nations? SR Croatia was not a country for what country stands in the agreement of "country of birth", I challenge you to demonstate the opposite. FkpCascais (talk) 14:54, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Jefferson de Jesus Santos[edit]

Meu caro Filipe, vai uma wikiajudinha?

É o seguinte, por favor: um utilizador, fã do Hadjuk aparentemente, colocou lá a frase "Ele foi o jogador mais utilizado durante a temporada, e o melhor médio defensivo desde Josip Radošević, recebendo elogios pelos seus desarmes mas sendo de vez em quando criticado pelos seus passes". A referência em croata não pode estar a suportar isso (final de 2015-16) porque é de JULHO DE 2015! Depois, ainda falou do facto de ele ser o primeiro capitão brasileiro na história do clube, sem referência. Eu não percebo nada de croata mas acho que arranjei uma boa fonte, se bem que a fonte fala em "primeiro NEGRO" e não "primeiro BRASILEIRO".

Para a parte das comparações com Radosevic/críticas/elogios, achas que consegues arranjar alguma coisa? A ti leva-te dois minutos, a mim se calhar três horas e fica um mau trabalho. Se não quiseres/puderes, não faz mal, eu compreendo.

Um abraço, a WP agradece :) --Be Quiet AL (talk) 20:35, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

So agora cheguei a casa caro Vasco, ja te vou ver isso. FkpCascais (talk) 00:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Eh pá, já estava esquecido, resolvi dar outra olhadela a ver se havia novidades, não há. Se não der, eu compreendo claro. Força aí --Be Quiet AL (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh Vasco, desculpa :( mas isso é sobre futebol croata e eu como servio so vou criar é animosidade se me meter. Se puderes deixar-me de fora do que for jogadores e clubes croatas, agradeco. FkpCascais (talk) 22:49, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Sim senhor, compreendo perfeitamente. Desejo-te um bom fim de semana, até à wiki-próxima! --Be Quiet AL (talk) 20:04, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Obrigado, abraco grande! FkpCascais (talk) 01:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Hvala na savetu![edit]

Hvala na savetu! Provalio sam i ja da nesto nije kako treba, zato sto pola igraca nema profil u Crnogorskoj i Bosanskoj ligi. Ali samo sto sam malo zakasnio s' proverama, posto sam prvo napravio a tek posle proveravao koja je liga profesionalna, a koja ne. Ali u svakom slucaju, nadam se da je neko od ovih 4,5,6 debitovao u JSL ove nedelje, da ne ispadne da sam pravio za dz. Pozdrav! Djene 94 (talk) 00:27, 25 July 2016.

Lista šampiona[edit]

Potrebna mi je mala pomoć/savet od tebe kao iskusnijeg i upućenijeg wikipedijanca. Koliko je pametno da se za neku ligu na zasebnoj stranici pravi spisak šampiona, kao npr. ovde, ukoliko je isti velik/opširan kao u navedenom primeru ili sličnom slučaju? Zamolio bih te da mi objasniš tvoje mišljenje, a i kakva su pravila kako bi trebalo ispravnije da postupim. – Nn94 14 (talk) 20:55, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Pa ja sam već napravio List of Serbian football champions. Je si na to mislio? FkpCascais (talk) 04:34, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Nisi me izgleda baš najbolje razumeo šta sam hteo da te pitam. Mislio sam da mi objasniš uopšteno kakva su pravila i koje je tvoje mišljenje po pitanju pravljenja liste šampiona na zasebnoj stranici, kao npr. u slučajevima koje smo obojica naveli. — Nn94 14 (talk) 16:23, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Ali koju želiš da napraviš? Za koju zemlju? U kom sportu? FkpCascais (talk) 17:16, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Ima ih više, ali npr. imam nameru da napravim ovde. Ali suština, imao sam u planu da to učinim da napravim na svim onim mestima gde je lišta velika/opširna kao na primeru koji sam ti naveo. — Nn94 14 (talk) 17:39, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Pa koliko sam video nisam nigde našao neki "guide" specifičan za tu vrstu članka tipa lista prvaka, ali pogledaj kako su napravljene ove iz najpoznatijih zemalja i najačih liga pa pravi druge po istom principu. Koristi njih kao kalup. Ako baneš na nešto konkretno slobodno me pitaj. FkpCascais (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Evo pregledao sam po ostalim ligama i našao sam samo na stranicama posvećenim ligama SAD i Australije našao da je pravljenje liste prvaka, dok za sve ostale lige u ž. košarci koju uređujem mogu se naći kao na mom prehodnom komentaru na tvojoj stranici za razgovor. — Nn94 14 (talk) 18:45, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Znači, većina ženskih košarkaških liga ima svoj članak, a samo dve (USA i AUS) imaju još i dodatno listu šampiona. Mislim da za one lige gde je situacija prosta, jedna liga uvek ta jedna ista bila kroz celu istoriju u toj zemlji, dovoljno je imati samo članak lige, a neke lige gde je tokom istorije postojalo više formata liga i sa različitim nazivima i to, onda vredi napraviti sporedno listu šampiona te zemlje. FkpCascais (talk) 01:04, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Skanderbeg was Serbian origin[edit]

The first scholarly claim that Scanderbeg was a Slav was made by Charles Hopf who misread a document of 1368 in Serbian. Through his misinterpretation he produced a "Branilo Kastrioti" which he put forth as Skanderbeg's great-grandfather. In spite of the clarification of this error by scholars, there are still Serbs today who believe in his existence. These Serbs give the below genealogy composed by various western genealogists as evidence.

Source: (assassinato a Jannina nel 1379 circa), di origine serba, Governatore di Jannina nel 1368. Sposa N.N.

The nationalist writers needed to do nothing more than provide [Skenderbeg] with a national significance and some embellishment, subjecting him to the laboratory that serves to transform history into myth. As with most myths, his figure and his deeds became a mixture of historical facts, truths and half-truths, inventions and folklore… For 19th century Albanians, a majority of whom had adhered to the faith of Skenderbeg’s Muslim enemies, the religious dimension needed to be avoided. Consequently, Skenderbeg became simply the national hero of all Albanians, the embodiment of the myth of ‘continuous resistance’ against their numerous foes over the centuries.

1) Skenderbeg is the great grandson of Branilo, the Serb duke of Kastoria. 2) Skenderbeg’s brother was named Stanisa, a contemporary Serbian name. 3) Stanisa’s son (Skenderbeg’s nephew) was also named Branilo. 4) Skenderbeg’s mother was Vojislava daughter of the Serb ruler of Polog 5) Skenderbeg’s sisters Valica and Jela mean ‘little wave’ and ‘dear’ in Serbian. Branilo and Stanisa are both Serbian names meaning ‘defender’ and ‘the one who stands,’ respectively. Note that neither Branilo, Stanisa, Valica nor Jela exist as Bulgarian names. Not long ago, for example, I wrote of myths and mentioned Skenderbeg and the Battle of Kosovo. I told of how the Albanians have forgotten that Skenderbeg was a Slav. I was attacked by Ismail Kadare, incensed at how I could possibly say that Skenderbeg was a Slav and that the history and culture of Albanians is on the level of Serbs.

That’s the way it is with our culture, which is mythomaniac, national-communist, romantic, self-glorifying. You can’t say anything objective without people getting angry. The Albanians are a people who still dream. That is what they are like in their conversations, their literature…In light of Hoxha and ‘pyramid schemes, Albanians are a people who still dream. That’s just the way they are… -Fatos Lubonja famous Albanian dissident there was an attempt in some circles to exalt the Albanians’ Muslim identity on the grounds that those Albanians who became Muslim were the only true Albanians – arguing that the Islamic religion was the strongest factor in the survival of the Albanians… Some even put forth the theory that Skenderbeg should not be the national hero because he betrayed the Turks by serving the Christians.…the old myths of national romanticism like that of Skenderbeg and ‘the religion of the Albanians is Albanianism’ remain the dominant mythologies in Albanian cultural and political life today.

-Fatos Lubonja Between the Glory of a Virtual World & the Misery of a Real World Quoted from: Albanian Identities: Myth and History Edited by: Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers & Bernd J. Fischer Page: 102

The nationalist writers needed to do nothing more than provide [Skenderbeg] with a national significance and some embellishment, subjecting him to the laboratory that serves to transform history into myth. As with most myths, his figure and his deeds became a mixture of historical facts, truths and half-truths, inventions and folklore… For 19th century Albanians, a majority of whom had adhered to the faith of Skenderbeg’s Muslim enemies, the religious dimension needed to be avoided. Consequently, Skenderbeg became simply the national hero of all Albanians, the embodiment of the myth of ‘continuous resistance’ against their numerous foes over the centuries.

Pirro Misha Invention of Nationalism: Myth and Amnesia Quoted from: Albanian Identities: Myth and History Edited by: Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers & Bernd J. Fischer Page: 43

According to Albanian Pirro Misha, Skenderbeg, as Albanians know him or think they know him, is nothing more than a myth: a mixture of historical facts, truths and half-truths, inventions and folklore… The Albanian nationalist elites have turned Skenderbeg into the basis for the myth of ‘continuous resistance’. In fact, there was no ‘continuous resistance’ by the Albanians. There is only the betrayal of Skenderbeg by their conversion to the faith of Skenderbeg’s Muslim enemies. The religious dimension needed to be avoided to serve a basis for control of the Christian Albanians by the Muslim Albanian nationalist elites. Skenderbeg’s identity was completely hijacked and along with it, Albanian Christianity.

In Part 1 of Project Perpjekja, there was much discussion about Albanian nationalist elites. One more thing should be observed: the Albanian nationalist elites are always, almost as a rule, Muslim or ‘ex-Muslim.’ The Prizrenites were all Muslims and so was the Enverist ruling circle (Enver Hoxha, Mehmet Shehu, Qemal Stafa, Ramiz Alija, Ismail Kadare); so are the KLA. These nationalist elites have caused Albanians a lot of suffering. Zogu took up the spirit of the League of Prizren and he robbed the country; the Enverists did their damage through cultural isolation, the KLA have turned ‘free’ Kosovo into a cesspool of AIDS and prostitution.

Fatos Lubonja, another insider into the Albanian academic scene, describes how elements of Skenderbeg’s biography were manipulated by the Albanian nationalist elites:

His sisters: Mara Jela Angelina Vlajica and his brothers were: Stanisa Konstantin

“Skenderbeg’s family was of Serb descent” and married to Danica daughter of Vojvoda Golem. (golem is an old Slav word, meaning “great”.)

L. Defenbah “Zeine Familie War Slavishen Ursprungs” Brlin, Germany 1895

Skenderbeg’s sister Mara was married to Stefan Crnojevic, lord of Zeta, who with the Zetans helped Skenderbeg for 24 years in the wars against the Turks. According to the Catholic priest of Shkodra Marin Barleci, the Turks unearhed Skenderbeg’s remains and distributed them amongst themsleves ‘as souveniers’.

Paul Rovinski Russian emmisary and historian quoted from: “Glas Crnogorca” 1899

The Catholic Albanian priest Marini Barleci says that Skenderbeg wore Serb clothing and wrote in ‘Serb letters and Italian language’ because the illiterate Albanians at that time could only write in Greek or Serb just as Skenderbeg “carried all discussions in the Serb language”.

Kacic Miosic (Croatian scribe) 17th Century

“Skenderbeg, a personally brave man was of Serb descent and was so useful, that he was respected by the Albanians, as well. He was the son of Ivan Kastrioti. His mother was Vojislava, daughter of the Prince of Polog”

Teodoro Spanduci 16th century Italian quoted by: P. Rovinski see: above source for Mr. Rovinski

Sources: Biography of Skenderbeg in Serbian language published in Budapest in 1828 by a Hungarian: Josip Milovuk

Biography of Skenderbeg in Serbian language published in Belgrade in 1848 by a Croatian: Andrija Kacic Miosic

Biography of Skenderbeg in Serbian language published in Novi Sad in 1855 by the Serb Popovic brothers

The only book about Skenderbeg written by an Albanian before the World War I was written by Catholic Albanian priest Marin Barleci who is quoted by Paul Rovinski. As shown above – even M. Barleci an Albanian designates Skenderbeg a a Serb and not an Albanian at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DereticevSvetiVazal (talkcontribs) 11:14, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you @DereticevSvetiVazal: for your detailed explanation and I apologise for my late response. I removed it because such a claim should have the sources supporting it included in the article. I think the best may be to copy this entire thread to the Talk:Skanderbeg and see there the opinion of other editors. FkpCascais (talk) 02:19, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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Pazi ovo, nikad kraja kontroverzama u vezi sa srpskim fudbalom. Ispratio sam ove sa fm-a, pošto znam da rade baze i videh danas nešto čudno vezano za ove iz Borca. Boga pitaj odakle su ustvari došli i ko ih je doveo. A ni za nacionalnost niko nije siguran. Congo, ili DR... Najgore od svega je što TM odmah brže-bolje sve prekopira i onda to obično tako ostane i dolazi do konfuzije. A onda ti posle objasni današnjem čoveku da se ne jede sve što leti. Iako PR službe, ako uopšte i postoje u većini naših klubova ne obavljaju svoj posao kako bi trebalo, a isto tako znam da neki namerno plasiraju patke, vrlo često zarad nekih bizarnih isteresa. Doduše, neretko i s namerom da sakriju identitet ciljanog pojačanja dok ne realizuju transfer. Videćemo sutra, trebalo bi da ovi iz saveza okače zvanični dokument. Očekujem da će biti obiman, s tim što cenim da će biti dosta toga i sledeće nedelje, jer izlazi sredom, a kako se prelazni rok završio noćas, biće toga još. E sad, po njima, ne bi se baš reklo da je zaživela ona priča od proletos da svi igrači moraju da budu obavezani nekom vrstom ugovora, što povrđuju i one priče "igra se za platu". Čisto da znaš, u Spartak je prešao neki lik iz beogradskog Grafičara, zaboravio sam kako se zove, ali je interesantno da u rosteru Grafičara iz Podgorice postoji igrač sa istim imenom i prezimenom, s tim što je '96 godište. Nije nastupao u zoni prošle sezone,(barem prema nekoj evidenciji koju ja imam) pretpostavljam da je možda neki kadet, ili omladinac.

Sve u svemu kad pogledam učinak u prelaznom roku i dosadašnja izdanja, pitam se ko je više spinovao. Ovaj vaš Iglica pobaca silne neke bombe, nas ZT laže celo leto, a u Evropi nas nigde nema. Voša je delovala najubedljivije, ali nisu oni još dovoljno namazani. Sviđa mi se što mislim da konačno prave kompaktan tim, a produžili su i klupu. Bilo bi interesantno kad bi se malo zakomplikovalo u vrhu. Matijašević i Lešnjak uništiše Čuku. Lotom (talk) 20:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Uf sve te razumem. U ove moje sam prvi put baš skroz razočaran. Uprava je tragična, a opozicija je korak unazad. Ali ono što me je ovaj put najviše razočaralo je mentalitet koji vlada među navijačima. Tvoji su barem pokušali, jeste da je bilo grešaka, moglo je mnogo bolje, ali barem ste bili hrabri da napadnete LŠ pa šta bude. Ovi iz DR Konga deluje da nemaju veze sa Kongom. Toure uopšte nije prezime iz tog dela Afrike, a Masiya je prezime više iz Zambije i Zimbabvea... Ludilo, ta dvojice se vrte celo leto iz kluba u klub po probama po Srbiji i na kraju ih čačani uzeli i ne znaju ništa o njima. Da ovi sa Čukom sve što znaju je da dovode otpadke već viđene. Ne znam jedino transfermarktu otkud onaj urugvajac kod njih, ih kamo sreće da su ti iz Čuke takvi pa da dovedu tako nekog urugvajskog reprezentativca... FkpCascais (talk) 00:26, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Sve u svemu kad pogledam učinak u prelaznom roku i dosadašnja izdanja, pitam se ko je više spinovao. Ovaj vaš Iglica pobaca silne neke bombe, nas ZT laže celo leto, a u Evropi nas nigde nema. Voša je delovala najubedljivije, ali nisu oni još dovoljno namazani. Sviđa mi se što mislim da konačno prave kompaktan tim, a produžili su i klupu. Bilo bi interesantno kad bi se malo zakomplikovalo u vrhu. Matijašević i Lešnjak uništiše Čuku. Lotom (talk) 20:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Znaš i sam da je sve što imamo o ovom liku broj telefona, možda bi trebalo da ga kontaktiramo za više informacija. :) Soccerway ubaci pozicije za te igrače nasumično, jer moraju da ih, narodski rečeno, ubutaju negde. Kod nas su ga upisali Učua Tisini, pa sam na prvu pomislio da je neki odozdo, sa juga Srbije, sve dok nije izašao FSS dokument. Nisam siguran ko Vranjancima igra levog beka, po sastavu utakmice na kojoj je dotični nastupio, Gašić je štoper, Simov pokriva sve pozicije u odbrani, a Milan Stanković je desni bek. Segun je primarno zadnji vezni, ali gde su ga sve posle odlaska iz Sloge koristili, zaista mi nije poznato, negde se pominjao i kao štoper. Ostali su uglavnom ofanzivno orijentisani. Lotom (talk) 21:13, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Mislim da ste previše strogi u analizi vaše situacije. Sasuolo je upravo nabio u LE Bilbao sa 3-0. Proći Sasuolo sada je bila nemoguća misija za vas ili za bilo koji klub uopšte sa naših prostora. Oni su glat među 5 najboljih ekipa učesnica u LE. E sad, trebali ste proći Ludogorec. Mislim da je generalno ideja Terzića u principu dobra. Imam jedino dve zagonetke. Prva, na osnovu čega je odabrana opcija da se da prioritet pojačanjima i da se oni uigravaju igrajući već kao starteri protiv maltežana, umesto da se išlo na kontinuitet tima iz prošle sezone i da se postepeno menja tim i ubacuju novajlije. Verujem da je odgovor na ovo vezan za to da se Božović sa Terzićem dogovorio da se prihvati činjenica da će biti značajnih promena u timu, mislim konkretno na odlaske Kataia, Vijeire i Ibanjeza, a dolazak igrača koji su trebali teoretski da ih zamene i budu nosioci igre, mislim na Kangu, Fibela i Mučea. Pošto je verovatno ovo bila zamisao, Božović je mislio da je bolje da gura odmah startnu postavu na koju je teoretski računao za sezonu, i da se uigravaju već sa Valetom i Ludogorecom. Loša igra protiv maltežana je znači već bila očekivana, ali bi se dobilo to da se već uigravaju, i bilo je naravno i doze prepotentnosti gde se mislilo da čak i sa potpuno neuigranim timom maltežani se sigurno prolaze. Realno, videla se ta ideja i na terenu, Zvezda je sve bolje i bolje igrala. Ali, pojavio se problem broj 2. Tragična odbrana!!! Da je odbrana bila minimalno solidna i davala sigurnost timu, sve bi bilo potpuno drugačije. Sredina i napad bi mogli opuštenije da se uigravaju, bili bi skoncentrisani na stvaranju ofanzivnih akcija, a ovako je ta ideja propala i igrači su morali u polupanici neuigrani da jure rezultat. Neočekivano katastrofalna igra odbrane, da uviđena na vreme, trebala je da da indikaciju Božoviću da je sigurnije bilo igrati sa manje izmenjenim timom iz predhodne sezone. Bolje da ste išli na kontinuitet tima, možda eventualno sa Kangom već kao starterom, to bi sigurno bilo bolje nego izlaziti na teren sa katastrofalnom odbranom plus neuigranim veznim redom.
A šta se desilo sa odbranom? Ima tu nejasnih poteza. Kad se dovodio Fibel, zar nije bilo jasno da onda ne može Luković da mu bude par? Toliko spora odbrana možemo da zamislimo koliko bi golova primala od ozbiljnih klubova u LŠ. Barsa ili Real bi glat oborili rekord u broju postignutih golova u utakmici LŠ. Koliko sam shvatio, Terza je slao ponude i pregovarao sa mnogim igračima, naročito u veznom redu. Leandro Damiao je bio prevelik zalogaj, a Bisesvara i onog angolanskog napadača vam pokupi PAOK. A kako su Kanga, Fibel, Mouče i Ruiz pristali, Terza nije hteo nijednog da se odrekne. Ali to je dovelo do problema u broju stranaca. Dovođenje štopera je tada onda značilo da je morao da bude neko domaći. Jurili ste Milana Mitrovića, lik vas ladno odbio. U toj se situaciji u stvari videlo koliko nam tačno znače stranci, jer kad na nekoj poziciji moraš da nabaviš nekog našeg, vidiš koliko je teško da ga nađeš, jer ovi vani 90% njih neće da se vraćaju čak ni u CZ ili FKP a ovi iz domaće lige su često i skupi a neiskusni za Evropu. Zašto se doveo Mitchell, Phibel i još išlo po Mitrovića??? Zašto se nije spremio na vreme jedan štoper ali siguran kako treba. Dobro, Mičel je navodno jeftin i kao za budućnost. I vezni red je jasno pretrpan sa barem jednim strancem više. FkpCascais (talk) 21:07, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Sve te, brate, razumem. Ja lično i nisam gajio neka nerealna očekivanja, jer kad ti dođu klubovi sa tolikim budžetom koji mogu da dovedu na prvu sva ta pojačanja koja ti bezuspešno juriš u startu si limitiran. Iz Zvezde su preterali sa strancima i sad, naravno, nema mesta za sve. Trebalo je Huga prodati. Za našu ligu može i bez njega. Bez uvrede, čestitam na sinoćnoj pobedi, ali mislim da je i onaj objektivniji deo Vas saglasan sa tim da je utakmica bila užasna. Taj gol je, pa skoro i jedino uzbuđenje na istoj. Grof je išao na 0, što se videlo i po sastavu, bez napadača na klupi. Nije ovaj Leonardo loš igrač, niko ne kaže, ali ako je istina da prima pola milke... Mnogo je to za naše uslove. Ni ovi naši nisu ništa značajno jeftiniji. Lepo bi bilo da su svi ekstra plaćeni i zadovoljni, ali daleko smo mi od toga. Privredni sektor u celoj državi je u kanalu, mnogo ljudi je bez posla, ali naš narod voli sport. Međutim, svi bi voleli da vide rezultate ekspresno, a to ne ide. I onda kad se dovedu tako neki internacionalci i da im se veća plata, a ne prave razliku momentalno, kritičarima je i jedan loš prijem lopte dovoljan da rapale po bilo kome. Tu su i one priče "naša deca" koje donekle stoje, ali za to si u pravu, ne može obdanište da igra seniorski fudbal, što se vidi po OFK Beogradu ove sezone. Stranca u odbranu ne bih stavljao. Ibanjez je izuzetak, on je "naš". Dobro je imati 3-4 stranca, drugačiji su to fudbalski mentaliteti, drugačije sredine, od svakog se ponešto novo vidi i nauči, ali treba vremena, što kod nas vrlo teško bilo ko može da dobije. Naš narod bi hteo sve i odmah. Dobro, ti si van, ne moraš da gledaš neke stvari svakodnevno, ali kad izađeš na ulicu i vidiš gomilu mediokriteta, pitaš se da li uopšte i zaslužujemo bilo šta. Niko da prezme odgovornost i kontrolu nad svojim životom prvenstveno, a kamoli nešto više od toga. Pa i ja kao studiram, upisao ETF, a ne znam knjigu kad sam uzeo u ruke. Rekao bih da mi generalno imamo taj problem da se ne trudimo dovoljno, a i ne znamo ni šta baš tačno želimo. S druge strane, sve je prožeto politikom, birokratija nas ubija, a ne verujem da bilo gde u svetu postoji ovoliki nepotizam kao kod nas. Možda bi privatizacija i bila najrealnije rešenje za našu situaciju, kad je ionako sve rasprodato. Jedino što onda rođaci, prijatelji, političari i ostali ne bi imali dovoljan broj fotelja. Lotom (talk) 9:51, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Potpuno se slažem za sinoćni derbi. Katastrofa od fudbala, mi smo dali taj gol, mogao je Ruiz da da odmah posle kad ga je Kanga izolovao. Nisam ja uopšte od onih ko će sad da diže u nebesa Partizan zbog pobede a vas da gazi, jer realno rezultat je više slučajan nego postignut. Moglo je da bude i 0-0 ili 1-1 ili 0-1, to su nijanse odlučile, i uopšte se ne slažem da se od nijansi sad prave heroji. Loš fudbal i sa jedne i druge strane. U Partizanu mi se svideli Everton, Leonardo, Milenković, Balažic, Miletić, Stevanović i Jevtović a kod vas Kanga, i nisam nezadodvoljan Ruizom, Poletanoviić tragičan! FkpCascais (talk) 14:09, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

2015–16 Serbian SuperLiga[edit]

Hi, I need your help regarding 2016–17 Serbian SuperLiga and specially {{2016–17 Serbian SuperLiga Regular Season table}}, {{2016–17 Serbian SuperLiga Championship Round table}} and {{2016-17 Serbian SuperLiga Relegation Round table}}.

The reason I ask you is because I have seen you editing football related articles and I saw at your userpage that you speak the language.

On the article 2016–17 Serbian SuperLiga I saw someone had added the competition rulebook (I think) in Serbian ( and even though I dont speak the language I looked at some things, with help from google translate. After looking I had a few questions you might be able to help with.

  1. Where does it say it will be a relegation play-off for 14th placed team? I can not find that information, but we show that in {{2016-17 Serbian SuperLiga Relegation Round table}}.
  2. Are the tiebreaker rules correct for all three tables? It does not look correct as they are now and I read something about if teams are tied after all matches the points from regular season count?

It would be very helpful if you could help so that we can get the correct information in the tables. And then perhaps we can use the real rulebook as source instead of scoresway who is often wrong. Thank you. Qed237 (talk) 14:30, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Serbian, or Serbo-Croatian, is my native language, and my main interest here is preciselly football from that part of the world. I just arrived home, give me a little time and I will see what is happening there. FkpCascais (talk) 17:21, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, the external link is exactly that, the official Football Association of Serbia document with the rules for the 2016/17 Serbian SuperLiga season.
At pages 14 and 15 (1324 and 1325), it says that after the initial 30 rounds the classification at the table will depend on the overall points won, and the tiebraker factors for teams with same number of points are the following:
For two teams:
  • number of points won in the games between them
  • if both have same points in games between them, then the goal difference in those games between them.
  • if still they are tied because both have same goal difference, then, as by UEFA regulations, the away goals count double.
  • if they are still tied, then the better goal difference in the total goals of each club in all the 30 rounds.
  • if the goal difference is still equal, then the team that archived more goals in the 30 rounds.
  • if the tie persists, then the team which is better classified in the fair-play table after 30 rounds, takes advantage.
  • if they are still tied, then the general director of the league in a meating of the executive council of the league will make a draw.
For more than two teams:
  • number of points archived in the games between them.
  • better goal difference in the games between them.
  • more goals.
  • better goal difference in the overall goal difference of the 30 rounds.
  • more goals overall in the 30 rounds.
  • better position at the fair-play classification table.
  • the league director will do a draw.
At the end of the season, the qualification tiebraker rules are: (it is on page 19, 1329)
For two teams:
  • number of points archived during the initial stage, the first 30 rounds.
  • number of points in the games between the two clubs at the first 30 rounds.
  • the goal difference in the games between the two clubs during the first 30 rounds.
  • goals away counting twice.
  • better goal difference in the overall competition.
  • better position at the fair-play table.
  • if they are still tied, if the clubs are at the places qualifiying for European competitions or relegation, a special tiebraker game will be organised. If the game ends tied, extra-time of 30 minutes (15+15) will be played, and then penalities.
For more than two clubs:
  • Exactly the same as previous, just that instead of the last point, which in the case of two teams said a special game would be played, in case of more than two teams, a draw would take place, organised by the general director of the league in a special executive assembly of the league.
It indeed says nothing about the 14th placed team playing any relegation play-off. FkpCascais (talk) 17:49, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
So,it means you spotted it right, the tiebraker criteriums at {{2016–17 Serbian SuperLiga Regular Season table}} are in wrong order and incorrect asthey stand now. Same with {{2016–17 Serbian SuperLiga Championship Round table}}. Then, about the {{2016-17 Serbian SuperLiga Relegation Round table}}, seems the entire table is unecessary, and the relegation play-offs seems that will not take place. FkpCascais (talk) 18:23, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Awesome work, I understand everything perfectly clear now and I will start making changes as soon as possible (currently very busy IRL so it even took a long time before I could give you an answer). The only thing I dont understand is why you think the {{2016-17 Serbian SuperLiga Relegation Round table}} is unecessary as from my understanding the bottom teams will also play eachother once after the first 30 matches. Qed237 (talk) 21:10, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, they will play eachother. After 30 rounds, the league will be split in two groups, the upper half paying for European sports, and the bottom half playing to avoid relegation. Everything seems fine, just that this season the 14th seems that will not play the play-off against the 3rd classified of the 2016–17 Serbian First League.
The {{2016-17 Serbian SuperLiga Relegation Round table}} it is necessary as it is the bottom half of the final table. FkpCascais (talk) 21:15, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Great. I can not thank you enough for your help. I owe you a favour if you would need one someday. Thank you. Qed237 (talk) 21:28, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Not at all, it was my pleasure to help you, and by the way, you did a tremendous job in finding those flaws at the table and seing the problem without even knowing the language. That was really well done. I just think it is better you to make the changes cause despite my English not being bad, you can certainly get all the expressions right and put them in a right way. I edit football from Balkans and former Yugoslavia generally, so whenever you need help with something related to that part of the world, feel absolutelly free to ask me. Best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 22:10, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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Pomoć oko GIF-a[edit]

Zdravo, imam mali problem. Stavio sam GIF na Dubrovničku Republiku i Banatski ustanak, ali neće da se učita. Voleo bih kada bi nešto pomoglo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DereticevSvetiVazal (talkcontribs) 11:20, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Je li ovaj ? Kao da ne radi. FkpCascais (talk) 11:31, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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Srpski klubovi u intertoto kupu[edit]

Da li možeš da mi pronađeš detalje mečeva srpskih (SRJ/SCG/SRB) klubova u Intertoto kupu, ne samo na internetu jer verovatno nema zastupljenih sajtova o tome, nego i u knjigama koje imaš. Hvala ti unapred. Jolicnikola (talk) 12:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Fali mi godišnjak za 1992/1999 godinu, te su sezone sve u jednom godišnjaku... čekam ga već odavno. FkpCascais (talk) 15:19, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

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Roger Joseph Boscovich[edit]

Have you reported anyone for sockpuppeting on the Boskovich article?[23] GregorB (talk) 17:58, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello @GregorB:, I hope you had nice Christmas and I wish you all the best for 2017. Regarding the issue, no I haven't, that is why I didn't firmly said it was banned user Asdisis but just said that it could be possibly him. Both accounts focus on Croatian-Serbian disputed articles, and express some sort of "mission" of fighting "Serbian POV" as he did at WP:Croatia. Please feel free to change my edit in any form you consider apropriate, lets just try to leave out tendentious editing from any of the sides. FkpCascais (talk) 20:44, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
I support(ed) some of the changes made by Everett57. They have been recently discussed at WT:CRO. If you take a look, you'll see that he accepted my suggestion, which is quite commendable and does not suggest a "POV warrior" approach. Also, I believe the best way is to assess the edits rather than the motives behind them.
I'm concerned here because your revert removed an entire non-POV section ("Boscovich's demon"), and this would only be legitimate in pursuit of WP:EVADE. So, if there is no compelling evidence of sockpuppeting, the edits need to be discussed on their merit. Let's move it to Talk:Roger Joseph Boscovich then (time permitting on my side). All the best, GregorB (talk) 22:14, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
There is definitely grounds to suspect the user is an Asdisis sock. Both appear to be obsessed with claiming Branimir Stulic as a Croat . 23 editor (talk) 16:41, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi! I do not know what "Asdisis sock" means, but I implement Stulic in List of Croats because (i) his parents are from Nin (Croatia) and (ii) he was raised & educated in Zagreb, founded band in Zagreb and he was one of the most prominent singer of Zagreb's New wave. Since conditions for including someone in List of Croatis is: "The following is a list of prominent individuals who were Croatian citizens or of Croatian ancestry.", I concluded that there is enough elements to be implemented in this list. There are also elements for some other list, too. I would like to understand why would 23 editor conclude that I am obsessed with claiming that Stulic was Croat?
But I do not have any problems if someone disagree - Stulic is not in my area of expertise. But Boscovich is. FkpCascais, you are trying to:
  1. Implement Boscovich's name in Serbian Cyrillic - which is not based on any historical evidence. He never used Serbian Cyrillic in any of his writings. So, please, explain why in the world would you do that?
  2. You are removing statement which is analytical (truth per se): sentence which is claiming that there exist article that states that SANU's claims are wrong. Since I have provided reference to that statement, I cannot see how could you justify its removal.
  3. You are removing information about Boscovich's nickname. Again, there is an academic reference behind it. Why would you remove it? I hope that "Croatian" in his nickname does not influence this decision.
  4. Last, but not least, you are removing Croatian origins from article. This is something that I do accept since there are good arguments to state that he was an Italian scientist also. He felt like that, in some way. But you haven't provide any serious scientific source for claim that he was Serbian. I hope that you do understand that most of your references are based on one reference which have been proved to be incorrect (by simple arhive check).
Best regards! --Everett57 (talk) 01:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)


Bora i ja uglavnom isključujemo bombastične i senzacionalističke naslove. E sad od kad je "Fudbal" počeo da izlazi redovno u elektronskom izdanju, a koliko sam pratio to je počelo negde u vreme kada se Kokeza obreo na funkciji, ja sve ulazne transfere isključujem dok ih ne vidim u zvaničnoj dokumentaciji. Nije da mirišem bilo koga od tih likova, ali su ovi dokumenti veoma korisni i jedini validan izvor informacija. Uostalom, verujem da ova piskarala posećuju i Terazije, uz krtice u klubovima i oko njih. Mada ti je za puštanje "patke" dovoljno nešto kreativnosti i pronicljivosti da znaš čime da potpališ masu. Za ulazne transfere se čeka 23, zbog prenosa papira, jer tada zvanično počinje prelazni rok i do tada ne očekujem ništa spektakularno vezano za ovu boraniju. Ali za raskide ugovora i sporazuma kao izvor koristim isključivo zvanične dokumente, sem ukoliko zvanični sajtovi klubova ne objave, ili ukoliko istekne ugovor i igrač nema nameru da ostaje, ali i to ne shvatam olako jer se mnogi vrate ako nemaju gde. Moj predlog je da sačekamo 23, kada će već mnogo više da se zna.

Verovatno si video moju prepisku s onim likom vezano za Bačku, gubi on konce pomalo, ali mi se čini da smo svi u ovoj priči donekle zastranili. Mislim da bi trebalo malo da se pozabavimo tim imenima klubova u narednom periodu, ali je najbolje da zasad ostane ovako, pa da se za narednu sezonu sve to malo sredi i uobliči. Lotom (talk) 20:45, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hello pal, how you have been. I want to say that it's very interesting story of the Ajdarević Dinasti with football, I'm very impressed. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 23:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I am fine, thanks @Eni.Sukthi.Durres:, I hope you had nice New Year. I saw the great work you have done about the Ajdarević dinasty, you did a great job! I made the article about the father of Astrit, Agim Ajdarević, but I see you have discovered he has more sons playing football, like Arbën and Alfred Ajdarević players I didnt knew about until you wrote about them. It is also very interesting that Agim played as "Yugoslav", Astrit plays for Sweden, and now Alfred seems that will play for Albania!!!
You did a great job about adding that information about all the brothers and creating the article for Alfred. It is just that rule not to add 0 (0) in infoboxes for national teams, remember? It really has nothing to do with being Albania U21, it could have been Serbia U21, or China U21 I would remove I as well. You did a great job in adding the info in the article text in "International career" section, now just wait for him to debut to add it in the infobox "Albania U-21 - 1 (0)", I mean, 0 goals just as exemple, maybe 1,2,3 or more goals he scores in his debut, who knows :) FkpCascais (talk) 23:29, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. It's a great pleasure for me to work for my compatriots and I'm very proud for what I did last night about Ajdarevic Dinasti and as I told you I'm very impressed with this family history. I found those infos. by reading carefully each one's article here especially the Astrit's article was very expanded since it's a important player who was also part of Liverpool and for me was easy to expand infos. at other family members since they were related to each other. Congratulations that was you who created the Agim's article, it's a pleasure for me to hear it.
In fact I forgot that rule of National team parameter and I added. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 18:32, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Also is such as good for a family to follow each other steps. There are Ajeti's brothers who all 3 plays football Arlind Ajeti (plays for us), Albian Ajeti and Adonis Ajeti (I created his article). Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 18:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
@Eni.Sukthi.Durres: I think you would like to know that we have this list, List of association football families, where the Ajdarević and Ajeti families could be added. FkpCascais (talk) 01:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Done. Thank You. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 21:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)


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Indef-banned User:Asdisis really doesnt have nothing to do in life... FkpCascais (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your tireless job and for too much passion about the sports of your country. Also it's a great pleasure to collaborate with you about my compatriots from Kosovo. Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 21:40, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much Eni ^_^ FkpCascais (talk) 21:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Air Djibouti[edit]

You are well aware that planespotters is not a reliable source, the mater has been discussed at WT:AIRLINE a number of times. Separately, I would ask you not to use offensive language in your edit summaries [24]. Thank you.--Jetstreamer Talk 01:40, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer: I am not aware. The paragraph earlier I believe it had just the same website used as source. It doesnt really matter the website, if you are the master of the Airlines here, you know the best websites, so why is it so hard for you just to Google "Air Djibouti DC9 JAT" and just pick one of the other ones from the list, the one you, as experienced in the matter ou are, know it is the more reliable one. I would have taken notice of your change of source and next time follow the source you used. That would be a constructive way of dealing with the situation, surely much better than just deleting the info, which seems surely correct since we have a commons picture showing a JAT-leased DC-9 to Air Djibouti, and a full list of Google results for it. It is just about being helpfull and costructive. FkpCascais (talk) 02:42, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Images are not reliable sources. You're right about asking for a source, but also mind WP:BURDEN. In any case, asking for a reliable reference was the first thing you should have done rather than reverting and using vulgar language. You may search Flightglobal's historic archive. The archive includes material related to the airline industry up until 2004.--Jetstreamer Talk 02:49, 12 February 2017 (UTC)


Ne znam kako se vodi, ali rođen je u Nikšiću. Zato sam mu stavio CG zastavicu. Lotom (talk) 07:30, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Moguće da sam nešto pobrkao jer mi je upisan pod BIH, korigovaću, puno ti hvala! FkpCascais (talk) 10:48, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Čini mi se da se napravila konfuzija kada je došao u Čuku, jer je prethodno bio u RS. Znam da si preokupiran strancima, ali mislim da nije pametno dodavati ih sve dok ne debituju ili bar dok ih savez ne proknjiži. Video si kakva je situacija bila sa Damčevskim, a sad i sa ovim Grkom iz Voše, iako je on preneo papire. Isto, ni za ovog Rusa iz Napretka izgleda još uvek nisu stigli papiri. Mislim, kako god okreneš, bez registracije ne može da igra. Najbolje da naše takmičenje nazovemo Cirkus liga Srbije. Prvo zato što se i treneri i igrači vrte u krug, a drugo što je pola timova iz BG-a. O uslovima i infrastrukturi je suvišno trošiti reči, kao i o gledanosti. Lotom (talk) 12:06, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Baš smo cirkus liga i još sve gora i gora. Ma slobodno ih izbaci sve, u pravu si potpuno, pola tih igrača posle ne bude registrovano. Za onog rusa/abhazijanca iz Napredka je pisalo da će moći da igra i za prvi tim, i za omladinski pogon, ali moguće da nije ni došao jer nešto nisam nigde našao više ništa o njemu. FkpCascais (talk) 11:17, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Khalid Aucho? Ista stvar, papira nigde. Mislim, u Zvezdu valjda dolazi, pretpostavljam da ima čiste papire. Ali kako će da ga pozajme OFK-i, kada je prelazni rok prošao, nije klinac, pa da ide kao transfer mladog igrača? Mada me ništa ne bi iznenadilo jer nam je i država takva kakva je i sve može.
Još jedna stvar, Alexander Špoljarić. Da l' je moguće da je u savezu zaveden kao Шпољарић Александер Матија?! Prvo, što bi imao dva imena, a drugo ako je on Alexander Matija, da li je onda njegov mlađi burazer Matija Alexander? Bilo kako bilo ostaje ovako. Inače kada je debitovao u OFK-i u onom 7+ meču protiv Jagodine, u zapisniku su stajala oba imena, što je iniciralo da ga i na tako krste. Ja sam mu prvo i ubacio ENP u seniorsku karijeru, što su naravno oni prekopirali, ali sam kasnije izbrisao, jer neki statistički parametri vezani za to ne postoje. Ja sam kao izvor kosristio onaj tekst, ili intevju, šta li je već. Pitanje je koliko je on branio za prvi tim i u kojim utakmicama, ali mu svakako ne treba skraćivati to vreme u omladincima, jer je paralelno branio i za njih, ili je bar imao pravo. Lotom (talk) 12:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Jagodina... Ako si kojim slučajem naleteo na neke informacije o internacionalcima u Jagodini, ja sam pokušao da izbunarim nešto više, ali sam negde 50-50. Brazilac Martins koji se spominje, ja imam utisak da je ovaj Hegon. Na toj poziciji igra, a u žurnalu su napisali "Martins de Andrade Enrike". Ako na nešto naletiš, možeš slobodno da ga središ jer je na pripremama bio standardan. Dalje, Japanca Murakamija sam dodao u listu, ali sakrivenog. U žurnalu nije naveden, iz Rumunije je došao nespreman, a Milanović je nešto govorio vezano za njihov status. Parafrazirano, ostaju do kraja sezone da se bore za ugovor. Imaš ga na instagramu zajedno sa Baah-om na slikama. Jedino ovaj "Pank Kvi" nemam predstavu ko bi mogao da bude. Ovi iz FSS-a nešto mute sa ovim dokumentima, a ja nisam bio u mogućnosti da to blagovremeno ispratim. Lotom (talk) 22:20, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Nisam ništa ni znao o tome, evo preko tebe sad sve saznajem po prvi put. Ali zadnje vesti kako kokeza drži govor o derbiju i prebacuje krivicu na strance i najavljuje pogoršanje ograničenja na "4 možda i manje" mi daje volju da dignem ruke od svega i oteram sve lepo u PM. Mi smo narod zaista bez leka, uvek krivicu svaljujemo na strance i uvek samo još dublje dubimo u bunaru. Mi smo ono ružno pače koje stalno kuka kako je ružno i niko ga ne voli a pritom se ne pita da i drugi imaju svoje probleme i nemaju ni razloga da nas takve dosadno egocentrične vole. Mi nemamo leka, ovo je sve iz šupljeg u prazno, ja sam odrastao u jednoj kosmopolitskoj nesvrstanoj Srbiji okrenutoj prema svetu, a ta Srbija više ne postoji i vremenoom dižem ruke od svega, štaviše sve mi se već više i više gadi nažalost. Veoma sam razočaran naročito narodom koji je odavno izgubio svu objektivnost i prima se na one najgore fazone. FkpCascais (talk) 21:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Deset godina sam ja ovde ulepšavao sve misleći da će se naš fudbl ipak dići, a odande me stalno demantuju, realno spodobe kakve vode naš fudbal zaista zaslužuju da budemo na zadnjem mestu u svemu.
Pogleda ću to u vezi Jagodine. Baš sam danas otvorio njihov sajt kojeg odavno nisam gledao i vidim da baš nema ništa. Danas je PLS igrala prvo prolećno kolo pa zato. Šta god nađeš slobodno mi dodaj ovde pa ću da googlam na portugalskom i drugi jezicima, šta god treba samo javi. FkpCascais (talk) 21:38, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Ovi iz FSS-a kao da namerno pišu ta imena pogrešno, taj Pank Kvi (Buahahaha) mora da je neki korejanac Park-Kwi... FkpCascais (talk) 21:48, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Gentaro Murakami ima ga na raznim sajtovima. FkpCascais (talk) 22:07, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Nije to do FSS-a, tako piše u žurnalu, jer na ćirilici i ne mogu drugačije da napišu, a ovi su obrisali poslednji FUDBAL tako da sad samo možda Bora okvirno zna šta je tu pisalo, ako je uopšte pisalo. Jbg, ono gledam tebe, neki put malo i preteraš, sećam se da ti je neko napisao da imaš fetiš na ove strance, na žurnalu ili već nekom portalu. :) Mislim kad vidiš koga sve dovode neka priča o ograničavanju ima smisla, ali bi prvo trebalo preispitati na koji način funkcionišu klubovi. Gledaj samo Borac, gde igrači jednostavno nestanu nakon nepune polusezone i onda se ganjaju po arbitražama do besvesti. Za dobrog igrača ti treba lova, bez obzira da li je strani ili domaći. Ali opet s druge strane vidiš akademiju Barselone gde bukvalno dovode na kilo klince iz celog sveta, pa od njih 100 koliko god da prođe, njima je dobro i sve im se vrati. Ja recimo uopšte ne vidim razlog za striktno ograničavanje na ispod 8 igrača. A klubovi sami mogu da razvijaju svoju politiku da li će imati strance i koliko njih. Ono što treba uraditi jeste žešći presek liga. Možda ne bi bilo pošteno prema klubovima koji su tu gde su, ali brate stadioni pojedinih klubova nisu ni za zonu, a kamoli za najjači rang, pa kakav god da je. OK, situacija u mom Kraljevu je takva da više niko od mojih vršnjaka, pa ni ja sam ne vidimo bilo kakvu perspektivu niti najmanji tračak nade da će nešto krenuti na bolje i stoga niko od nas nije baš raspoložen da se vraća kući nakon studija. Sve što vredi je otišlo, gde god je ko mogao i kakva god prilika da mu se ukalazala. Pretpostavljam da smo, demografski gledano, jedan od najstarijih gradova u Evropi. Uz to, mislim da smo prvi grad po krađi beba iz porodilišta možda čak i u svetu. Užasna je situacija u svemu, pa tako i u sportu i mi tu nemamo šta da tražimo. Ali gde su nestali sportski centri sa dobrom infrastukturom poput Kragujevca, Smedereva, Zrenjanina i još nekih kojih nema ni na mapi?! Poštujem ja i Bačku i Dobanovce i sve te manje klubove, ali da se ne lažemo, čak ni naši ljudi uglavnom nemaju pojma za neke od tih sredina. Kad bi se napravio neki jasan plan za narednih 4-5 godina o striktnim uslovima koje moraju da ispune klubovi koji imaju ambiciju da se takmiče u prvom rangu i da te klubove ima ko da vodi. Ovo ovako ne vodi nikuda. Koliko samo ima situacija gde su pojedine batice pravo iz pečenjare uletele u fotelje, koji daj Bože da imaju završenju srednju školu. Ko god može ugradi se za po koji procenat i dobro napuni džepove. Ne sećam se da je bilo ko krivično gonjen. Uopšteno gledano, svest ljudi je na katastrofalno niskom nivou. Takva je situacija, nažalost, da ovde što više nekog lažeš i ispiraš mozak, sve se bolje kotiraš. Nikakav sistem vrednosti više ne postoji, sve se svelo na zamenu teza i praznu retoriku. Demagogija i birokratija nas ubiše totalno. Ja više nemam ni snage ni volje da ispravljam krive Drine i da se nerviram oko nekih gluposti, jer mi u suprotnom Laza Lazarević ne gine. Nisam baš više ni klinac pa da kažem ima još vremena. Bojim se da tek sad sa skoro 22 počinjem da kapiram ono što je trebalo kad sam imao 17 godina. Mada ima i onih koji i u šestoj deceniji života ne vide dalje od nosa. Bora i ja smo baš vodili diskusiju pre neki dan i generalno sve manje ima smisla zezati se oko ovoga, kad nikoga nije briga. Nekad sam voleo da gledam taj derbi, ali me sve manje privlači, jer nemam šta da vidim. Kvalitet fudbala ne zaslužuje ni 0. Izguraću nešto šta mogu do kraja sezone, ali je i to pod velikim znakom pitanja, jer sam poprilično zajebao stvari na faksu i to mi je sada prioritet. A ukoliko nas najesen i dalje ne bude nigde na fudbalskoj mapi, verovatno ću i definitivno da batalim sve ovo. Činjenica je da me niko ništa i ne tera, ali opet nekako mislim da sam uspeo da doteram i unapredim pojedine stvari. Možda to i nije toliko značajno, ali kontam da generalno u pretragama obično među prvim rezultatima bude Wikipedija i računam da ako se vidi da sve ovo neko prati onda još nekako i postojimo i nešto predstavljamo. Uostalom primećujem da smo donekle naterali i ostale medije da malo detaljnije prate sitaciju u domaćem fudbalu uopšte i da se pažnja ne posvećuje uvek večitima na račun svih ostalih. Postoji jedna magična reč koja je ovde izgubila svaki smisao, a to je poštovanje. Izvini što sam ga tupio ovoliko, isfrustriran sam ovih dana ponajviše samim sobom, pa ne znam gde bijem. Lotom (talk) 00:20, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Meni je čast i privilegija da ovako iskreno i otvoreno govorimo o ovim temama. Da znaš da kad budem dolazio i ako budem svraćao u tvoje krajeve neću miran biti dok ne prihvatiš da se vidimo i ne nazdravimo zajedno. Baš mi je čast i privilegija da sarađujemo i sa Borom održavamo stranice vezane našim fudbalom na nivou. Video si kako ovo, koliko delovalo amatersko, ipak postaje važno jer izlazi među prvim rezultatima na tražilicama. Tvoj doprinos je od ogromnog značaja. I imaš jedan veoma zdrav način razmišljanja i objektivan pogled na situaciju. Priznajem da na neki način kesam opsednut sa temom stranaca. Ali ta moje opsednutost je u stvari kontra-reakcija zle obrnute opsednutosti među grupici koja vodi naš fudbal da oni budu samo među rođacima i tako mirno vode na fudbal na korumpirani način. Ajmo da budemo realni. Fudbal danas dan predstavlja jedan veliki deo načina kako se jedna zemlja prikazuje vani. Pojedine zemlje su čak shvatile da je sport, i unutar njega fudbal kao najpopularnija disciplina, jesu integralni deo spoljašnje politike jedne zemlje. Mediji raznih zemalja prate lige zemalja u kojima igraju njihovi reprezentativci. To nisu uopšte naivne stvari, sport je jedan značajan način kako ljudi van tvoje zemlje imaju mišljenje i uopšte znanje o tvojoj zemlji. Ameri su to recimo odavno shvatili, i redovno su recimo koritili sportiste kao špijune u zemljama gde su igrali. Fudbal je u današnjici znatno napredovao i izmenio se. Uspešne su zemlje ukojima postoji "melt" znači "mešavina" kultura i nacija. Recimo, Sloga iz Kraljeva će biti uspešna onda kada shvati da je njoj najbolje, ako joj treba brz levi bek, da dovede brzog levog beka iz zemlje poznate po brzim levim bekovima, Brazila. Taj levi bek brazilac će biti brz i uspešno nabacivati lopte srbinu špicu koji će tako davati golove za Slogu, sprski klub, i čiji uspeh će se pripisivati Srbiji. Poenta je što je u današnjici nebitno odakle su pojedinačno igrači, jer ako je Sloga klub iz Srbije, njen uspeh će biti pripojen Srbiji jdnako imala ona 11 ili nijednog srbina u timu. Ako ima puno stranaca to se opet smatra uspehom SRBIJE jer je klub koji je umeo da igrajući se pravilima današnosti, izgradi pobenički tim sa raznim nacionalnostima. To je nažalost nešto što ne dopire u mozak većini naših kojima i dalje štrči cnac u timu i takve gluposti... 21 vek je globalizacija, i uspeh se postiže u globalizaciji, a ne izolciji. Sramota je neviđena dase redovno pojavljuju likovi u srpskim medijima koji na temu rešenja srpskog fudbala i dalje pripovedaju zabranu ljudima da idu vani do neznam koje 20 i neke godine!!!! Brutalno! FkpCascais (talk) 00:16, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


Zajecharsko pivo.JPG Congratulations for almost 10 year editing and making things better for understanding! Thank you for great cooperation! Cheers! Lotom (talk) 14:15, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Many many thanks Lotom!!! Ahaha Zaječarskooo, bravo!!!! FkpCascais (talk) 20:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

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Hi there. Can you help me a bit and prove a source for this edit of yours: [26]? I got curious as I've never heard of such player from my country. -BlameRuiner (talk) 10:35, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Then you can definitelly be the indiciated person for me to confirm it. What happends is that I have access to the copies of the newspapper named "Sportista" which was the official weekly newspapper where all the transfers registered in the Belgrade Football Subassociation were registered. I dont remember right now the exact number of edition but I remember it said that iin 1924 a player named Samuilo Suzina came from Soviet Union. It was then me who googled as much as I could and found that the surname Suzina is most commun in Belarus. But that one definitelly still needs confirmation. FkpCascais (talk) 15:18, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


Ne znam da li si već video ovo. Nema dalje, obrnuli smo igricu. Ako oni pod povećanjem gledanosti smatraju da će isti ljudi ići na utakmice od petka do ponedeljka, mogu onda da povećaju i broj klubova u ligi na 20 pa da i tu izigravamo razvijenu zemlju sa spalim gaćama. OK, kažu da ne gušimo decu. Ja se ne sećam da sam u Srbiji dosad video igrača motoričkih sposobnosti kakve ima Everton. On jeste prgav i provocira, ali ako to ostavimo po strani, on je Partizanov Kante. Radin ima neke od tih karakteristika, ali je daleko slabiji u pojedinim segmentima. Isto, mirnoća u igri kakvu ima Donald, ovde se retko viđa. Boaći je napadač ubica i zasad je po realizaciji samo Đurđević sigurniji. Vujaklija je stvarno tip napadača kakav je Vardi, ludak. Pratim njega već nekoliko godina, ali i on ume da upadne u krizu. Pogotovo što nije igrao neko vreme. Nisu uvek problem stranci, već loša selekcija igrača. Svaka čast Pavkovu na primer za golove u Radničkom, ali je evidentno da on nije igrač za Zvezdu, pogotovo u ovom sistemu. On je mogao da daje golove u Radničkom jer je bio uparen sa Mrkićem. (Svojevremeno u Zvezdi Pantelić - Žigić. Polušpic radilica i baja od dva metra.)

P. S. Ima tu još mnogo stvari koje bodu oči, ali to ti i ja ne možemo da rešimo. Barem ne u ovom trenutku. Leonarda nisam zaboravio, ali je moje mišljenje da u njegovim igrama itekako ima Nikolićevog uticaja. On svakako nije loš trener jer je pravio rezultate svuda gde je bio. Možda jeste previše arogantan, ali itekako poznaje posao. Ali isto tako svaka čast Ilijevu i Tomiću jer su uboli sa ovim igračima. Ovog malog Blekija je Tomić izmislio i povukao ga sa sobom iz Teleoptika, zajedno sa golmanom Jovičićem. Dalje, ja jesam za to da se da šansa mlađim igračima. I oni moraju da stasaju. Ali sa njima moraš da znaš i da radiš. Ovo što se vrte likovi tipa Bekvalac, Dodić i slični ne donosi ništa. Dodić čak ponešto i može da napravi, ali ovaj prvi teško. On gde god je bio, skupi igrače na kilo odakle stigne i onda ti isti završe na kraju na arbitraži, a da nisu odigrali ni 300 minuta. Pa onda dođe Bata Đora. Kad god se povede neke polemika o raznim sranjima, ispadne on odnekud da soli pamet nama smrtnicima, a te priče nisu prolazile ni u ono "njegovo vreme". Nije problem da ti dovedeš perspektivnog igrača iz zone, ali treba da znaš da ubodeš takvog, a to može neko ko se razume u fudbal. Terza se, recimo, razume u pare, a za ostalo... Usudio bih se da kažem i da je Černišov Spartakova zlatna koka. Lotom (talk) 19:50, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Mi smo narod koji nema leka. Nama nepriatelji ni ne trebaju, mi sami sebe našom glupoćom, tvrdoglavošću i inatom umemo da uništimo. Sve više i više smo Murfijev zakon; ako nastane mogućnost da nešto zaseremo, mi će mo ga garant baš zasrati. A fudbal nam je pravi Sizifov posao, u kojem večno guramo govnjivu loptu uzbrdo da bi samo uzaludno gubili vreme jer ona uvek ponovo pada nazad u govna. Tako i sa ovim. Sad kad smanje strance na 4 e sad će klupski fudbal da nam procveta!!! Pa će mo opet gurati uzbrdo tu govnjivu loptu sad sa novom nadom da sa samo 4 stranca sad će kao da se pojavi uspeh a većunapred se vidi pad te lopte natrag u mulj govana a mi samo izgubismo još više dragocenog vremena. Odnosno, kakvog dragocenog vremena, našima poput Kokeze, Toleta, Karasija, Bjekovića, Binića, vermeza, itd. vreme je osnovni neprijatelj. Pošto se ne snalaze ni ne prilagođavaju ni skorašnjoj pršlosti a kamoli sadašnjosti ili budućnosti, dušu bi dali kad bi uspeli da okrenu vreme pa da umesto unapred ono ide unazad. Četiri stranca, to bre lažu, oni u stvari ne želie nijednog, nego kažu "dva-tri" čisto iz kurtoazije da im se rasizam ne viidi toliko jasno. Ona mala igračica Rada umesto da je suspendovana ona je još postala zvezda a za koju godinu moguće i predsednica ženskog fudbala. Ona je još valjda i sudija, možeš misliti koliko fer udi onim jadnim igračicama Spartaka koje su reprezentativke Kameruna i drugih zemalja?
Meni je žena polu portualka polu italijanka, znam vrlo dobro taj usađen rasizam u nas kad sam video razočarenje dela moje porodice to nije plava. Imamo takve ljude u svim segmentima društva. Neće bre ni da uče engleski kao da je bože moj ceo svet dužan zbog nas da uči srpski. A jel se pitaju nekad možda koji smo mi upšte kurac? Stalno kukamo kako nas masoni, iluminati, ne vole, a je li smo mi dali možda neki razlog njim da nas vole?
Evo je jedna surova istina koja surovija nemože da bude. Osamdesetih akd su ameri pobeđivali hladan rat već se uveliko razmatrao novi svetski poredak i ko će kakvu ulogu da ima u njemu. Mi (srbi) smo u startu imali više prijatelja nego neprijatelja ali su nam neprijatelji bili Vatikan i Nemačka koji su sve činili da otvore oči ostalima da prestanu da nas brane. I kako su to postigli? Nisu ništa morali da rade nego samo da puste naše političare da rade svoj posao i nda samo prikažu tu smejuriju ostalima i kažu "Alo bre, vi stvarno branite te budale?" Pazi, u vreme kad je pao Berlinski zid i kad je svima jasno da je Amerika pobedila hladan rat, naši političari sa celim vojnim vrhom umesto da odu u Vašington da sa njima pregpvaraju kakvu ulogu možemo da imamo (pazi, potencijala nam nije falilo jer smo srbi bili saveznici sa amerima još i u prvom i drugom ratu), mi ne, mi teramo inat i igramo hladan rat sa amerima i idemo u Moskvu po "instrukcije"!?!?!?!?! Moskvu koja je tada bila u kolapsu i kojom je vladao američki agent Jeljcin! Mi idemo u Moskvu da ih ubeđujemo kako će mo mii voditi rat sa zapadom! zigravamo veće soviejete od sovijeta!!! Pa možeš msliti koliko su se u Vašingtonu smejali kakd su čuli koji smo mi staromodni aparatčiki komunističkii (mi koji smo u stvari trebali biti nesvstani). Eeee to je bio razlog što su nas sjebali. Kad su posle ovih informacija iz Moskve ameri došli kod Vatikana i nemaca i rekli "Izvinjavamo se, bili ste u pravu, ovi srbi su zaista teške budale koje treba eliiminisati ili barem svesti na minimum i naučiti ih jednu dobru lekciiju." Političari su nam uvek bili glupi ko kurac, nikad osnovno znanje diplomatije i pametnog igranja poliitičkog šaha nismo znali. Toliko smo uvek bili egocentrično iskompleksirani i ispali van svetskog toka da smo redovno radili kontru onoga što je bilo logično i nama korisno. Političari su nam uvek toliko bili izgubljeni van svega (isto kao i ovi što vode FSS) da je zaista nametnuto pitnje "A zašto bi neko nas uopšte voleo i podržavao ovakve kakve smo?" FkpCascais (talk) 22:56, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Tako tvrdoglavo glupe budale kakve mii imamo zaista nema niko u svetu. Nama nije mesto u Evropi, treba neko lepo da nas pokupi i pošalje u Tunguziju pošto toliko volimo RUsiju, SOvijetski Savez, Staljina i takve fazone... FkpCascais (talk) 05:24, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Gezim Ljalja[edit]

Regarding the article Gëzim Lala, i have used the information from his official linkedin page: Albknight74 (talk) 11:30, 06 April 2017 (UTC)

Kennedy Asamoah[edit]

Sad me je opomenuo lik sa FM-a da smo ubacili pogrešnog igrača i izgleda da je u pravu.,80.htm#430340

Možeš da raspraviš ovo, ti ćeš bolje da pohvataš sve najbitnije činjenice. Dugo je bio povređen i totalno se izgubio iz postave. Nešto sam skeptičan i da će sada kod Kosana da se naigra. Lotom (talk) 08:30, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Ma jasno je bilo od samog početka da tu nešto nije u redu. Prvo, čak i sami Kenneth Boateng igrao za Jagodinu je bilo dileme je li on ili Kennedy Asamoa, a sad ovaj novi iz Borca je izgleda neki totalno novi, ludilo... Sutra ću bolje "viđet" FkpCascais (talk) 23:20, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Čestitam! Kao ni u prethodna 2-3 derbija, ni u ovom nije bilo neke lepršave i tečne igre lepe za oko, ali je Partizan taktički i trkački daleko bolje izgledao na terenu. Podvlačim, nije ovo ni do Leonarda ni do Tavambe, već je ceo tim mnogo bolje funkcionisao. U Zvezdi su više-manje svi bili van pozicije, ali je Ristić neverovatno bušan u odbrani. Nije on za beka, bar ne ovog klasičnog. Kao wing-back bi nekako i mogao da prođe, ukoliko bi imao nekoga da mu čuva leđa. U Partizanu su nešto slabije odigrali Jevtović, Miletić i Janković, dok u Zvezdi prelaznu ocenu jedva mogu da dobiju Petković, Frimpong i Boaći. Ostali su katastrofa, sve zajedno sa Manojlovićem koji mora ozbiljno da poradi na istrčavanjima na loptu. Kljajić iznenađujuće dobar, sem gola gde je mogao bolje da se postavi, sve ostalo je poskidao, što je bilo do njega. Liga, kao liga, svake godine sve manje ima smisla. Uostalom vidi se i po tome koliko dugo nema generalnog sponzora. Bar neka kladionica da se zauzme kad se sve već ionako samo zbog toga igra. Lotom (talk) 13:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Hvala, ali bojim se da će iz ovoga izaći pogrešna poruka. Već vidim ove na Ružnalu kako se hvataju za to da "Eto kao, 3 stranca je perfektno, evo dokaz", ovo nije dokaz. Čak i Partizan da bi imao pogođena ova 3 stranca ima ih u stari više (El Munir, Kosović, Janković, do skora Božinov, pa i Fabrisio, Fofana, Balažic, Bandalovski...). Nema to u svetu da ti kao imaš samo 3 stranca i uvek ih sve pogodiš. Ni Realu to ne polazi za rukoma kamoli nama. Zvezda je preuzela primat Partizanu na račun Kataia, Grujića i STRANACA. Od kad se za takvu politiku opredelila nije više druga nego šampionska Zvezda. Partizan je svojevremeno dominirao znatno zbog toga jer je pogodio sa Moreirom, Kleom, Dijarom, Žukom, itd. Mnogi koriste ovaj derbi da svedu temu na strance i na to da ih ne treba dovoditi (U jeku polemika da li stranci ubijaju srpske talente, ... - stvarno??? Upravo smo videli značaj stranaca a vi i dalje o toome kako nas oni kao štete u nečemu???). Ne znam, mnogo smo naopaki... Ne vidim da se mentalitet u većini promenio, i to me vodi do zaključka da se propast i dalje nastavlja. Pazi, gledam na ružnalu analizu pred derbi i to i reakcija nekih u komentarima je "U jebote, kao da igraju Real protiv Barse"... - Čoveče, DA igraju naši Real i Barsa, šta ti smeta??? Kod nas treba te mongoloide dovesti u manjinu prvo, pa će tek onda biti možda napredka... FkpCascais (talk) 16:35, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Ja sam gledao derbi na netu ovde u drušštvu mojih prijatelja portugalaca. I njima se baš svidela utakmica. Oba tima su se borili, stvarali šanse... Partizan za nijansu bolji, OK. Ali ni vi nemate razloga za pesimizam. Niste uopšte toliko loši bili. Mislim čak da ono što je biloo baš vidljivo je da su oba tima napredovala baš dosta u igri od zadnjeg derbija do ovoga. FkpCascais (talk) 16:39, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Možda smo gledali različitu utakmicu? :D Šalu na stranu, ali ja Zvezdu nisam video od onog derbija kad je Hugo dao 2 gola. Ruku na srce 2 derbija nisam ni odgledao u potpunosti, ali je činjenica da je Grof skoro svaki odigrao ziheraški. Ono što mi je posebno upečatljivo je izbor igrača na klupi. Vujaklije nema ni u protokolu, Poletanovića ni na vidiku. Šteluje taktiku tako da ide na X. Mnogi se žale na Ruiza, ali ne znam šta se posebno i može očekivati kada igra ovoliko nisko. Plavšić na drugoj strani takođe. Najkreativniji igrači ugušeni, računajući i Kangu kog je Everton pojeo. Samim tim Boaći totalno odsečen. Moraš da priznaš da su Donald i Le Talek odigrali daleko ispod očekivanja. Njih apostofiram najviše iz razloga što javnost tako gleda, stranci moraju da budu nepogrešivi ili idu pod mač. Frimponga sam pratio u Napretku, tako da znam kakav je igrač. Uostalom u Srbiji je 5 godina i aklimatizovao se, međutim u Zvezdi mora još da napreduje, ali pored Luneta mora da igra kao igrač i po. Bez obzira što sam prema Lukoviću kao sugrađaninu malo popustljiviji kada su kritike u pitanju, stigle su ga godine i svaki malo brzi i fizički jači napadač može da ga prođe. Ja recimo gledam Vošu ove sezone i mislim da bi Meri uz ovakav vezni red bez problema umuvao 12-14 golova dosad. Uzevši u obzir prilike koje Trujić nije realizovao i Merijev konto ove sezone, deluje sasvim realno. Trudim se da ne gledam na igrače kao na domaće ili strane, već na kvalitetne i one druge. Opet, neki iz ovih ili onih razloga ne dobiju pravu priliku. Lotom (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Pa u tome je upravo stvar. Što ti u nekoj zemlji koliko god stranaca da dovedeš, uvek ćeš imati domaće da se bore za mesto. To je portugalski recept. Uvezeš sve žive strance moguće, imaš ekipe i sa po 11 stranaca u ligi u prvoj postavi, neke i sa nijednim, i to čini da skupiš za reprezentaciju dovoljno domaćih da osvojiš prvenstvo. U Portugalu su prestali da gledaju uopšte jesu stranci ili domaći nego što se klupskog fudbala tiče idu pravo na to da li trener ima igrače sa zadovoljavajućim karakteristikama na svim mestima u timu za taktiku koju želi ili ne. I Tačka! bili oni na -ić ili ne to NIKOGA ne interesujeeeeee. Ali mi još taj mentalni nivo nismo dostigli i to nam seče noge u trci sa ostalima. Što se lične analize tiče, mislim da je Donald već toliko zadužio vas da nemate pravo više da zahtevate od njega da vas uvek izvlači. Dobar igračč brate, jedan od najboljih u našoj ligi u zadnjoj deceniji. Le Talek je većć druga priča. Dečko, sad većć ne toliko dečko, ima u sebi sastojke da bude solidan igrač. Ali takođe ima i felere koji čine da igra u Zvezdi a ne Dortmundu gde je počeo. E sad, ne možešš da očekuješ da imaš igrača kvaliteta Dortmunda a da igra za platu Zvezde. Takav igrač nezbežno ima felere koji ga čine uopšte dostignućujućim Zvezdi. Na Zvedi je to da radi sa njim i da izvuče što više iz njega kvalitete koji su ga učinilii primamljivim Dortumundu, a ššto više sakrije ili napreduje felere koji su ga učinili mogućim da Zvezda dođe do njega. Igrači se vremenom nmenjaju, napreduju, treba raditi sa njima. Božović ima neke dbre kvalitete, a neke loše. Meni je žao što te pozitivne kao lakoća rada sa strancima je toliko jedinstvena u njemu a nepostojeća u ostalim trenerima. On je kao trener krš, on je FM trener. Ali nažalost ni ostali treneri poput Lalate koji ne umeju da rade sa strancima koliko god dobri bili u taktičkom pogledu, nemaju šanse za neki veći uspeh od grofa jer je današnji fudbal takav. Rad ili ova Voša sa sve domaćima neizbežno u našoj ligi možda još i neku ulogu učine, ali u evropi ne mogu ni do grupne faze LE. FkpCascais (talk) 18:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Ja verujem da vi sa ćelavim uz par kvalitentih pojačanja i malo sreće bez problema ulazite u grupu nekog evropskog takmičenja. Koliko god da je Ilijev ismejan za one "bombe", izgleda da je bio u pravu i pogodio je sa skoro svim igračima koje je doveo. Nikolić možda odaje utisak da je prepotentan, ali mi se čini da je to njemu samo način da održi autoritet. Situacija kod nas već nimalo ne obećava i bojim se da se ne ponovi ono od pre 10 godina kada su se razbežali svi glavom bez obzira. Sigurno je da Vučić sipa, sad u kojoj meri ne znam, ali se pitam kakve konsekvence može da povuče eventualni odlazak sadašnjeg rukovodstva. Tim ima neku tržišnu vrednost, ali je veliko pitanje da li se od prodaje igrača može obezbediti prihod za narednu sezonu. Ruiz je na udaru u poslednje vreme i ne verujem da bi iko ponudio više od 1M za njega u ovom trenutku. Za Kangu, uzevši u obzir godine, 2 komada su premija. Donald po meni 800k, Le Talek 400-600. Ristić po formi 1,5 i to je gornja granica. Plavšić je isto tu negde, ali on uvek ima prostora za napredak. Imao sam prilike da ga upoznam neformalno, i prepoznaje se u njemu ta doza drskosti, što se uostalom i vidi na terenu. Međutim, to što je sitan se ne uzima baš najpoželjnije kada su fizičke predispozicije u pitanju. Nema nekog iskustva u jačim utakmicama, što je takođe minus. Ukoliko bi odigrao još jednu sezonu na višem nivou, vredeo bi minimum 2,5, s tim što bi okratio ugovor. Manojlović 1,8 - 2M i to uglavnom zahvaljujući marketingu. Reprezentacija, medalja, 21 godina a prvi golman Zvezde. Srnić 300-400k, ako neko hoće da ga uzme, već je u godinama a nema neku minutažu. Eventualno klinci Račić i Adžić kao talenti. Prvi zbog reprezentacije bar 1M, a drugi zbog ovih golova koje je postigao 700-900k. To je neka moja slobodna procena, ali kako tržište varira, tako i cene igrača osciluju, pogotovo u zavisnosti od trenutne forme. Sigurno je da neki transfer mora da se realizuje, ali je u tom slučaju svaku poziciju treba adekvatno popuniti. Međutim, kako u Zvezdi izgledaju prelazni rokovi poslednjih godina, upravo to me i brine. Ja imam neki utisak da svi ovi klinci koji su debitovali kod Grofa samo podmetnuti i da on sa njima i nema baš neke veze u smislu da je on izvršio selekciju. Takva je politika kluba (čitaj Terzine kombinacije) i sve se oko toga vrti. On je trener koji voli gotove igrače, što znači da neko drugi treba da ih izmisli da bi ih on zapazio. Fora sa ovolikim brojem stranaca kod njega u timu je ta što on od njih očekuje da rade njegov posao. Traži se da diktiraju igru, tako što će on nekom vudu magijom da ih pomera po terenu. Zbog toga se Babunski kod njega nije uklapao u sitem, šta god to u ovom slučaju značilo. To možda može protiv timova sa začelja tabele ove naše bedne lige koji se jedva sastavljaju, dok protiv svakog tehnički i taktički spemnog tima svi nedostaci isplivaju na površinu. On poziciju na terenu igraču promeni samo u slučaju da neko od navijača predloži što se preko foruma i Terze kanališe do njega. Usled toga je Le Talek vraćen na štopera, slično i Račić, dok je Srnić u par navrata delovao kao bek. Tu se vidi da je struka zakazala i da tu nešto škripi, odnosno da neko svoj posao ne radi kako treba. Ne znam da li se uopšte rade kondicioni treninzi. I na kraju svega Blažo koji na konferenciji ne zna ni kako mu se zovu igrači koje treba da predstavi. Zvezdi je potrebna ozbiljna rekonstrukcija na svim poljima i siguran sam da bi mogao da se oformi tim ozbiljnih ljudi koji bi radili možda čak i bez honorara, ali bi u tom slučaju propale sve kombinacije i talovi te bi se klub našao u još nezavidnijem finansijskom položaju. Ovako se bar prividno stvari drže po kontrolom, odnosno takva slika se prikazuje nama smrtnicima. Najinteresantnije mi je da ni Grof ni Dr Terzić, iako su obojica nastupali kao defanzivci ne baš naročito pouzdani doduše, ne mogu da izbunare štopera u tri prelazna roka. Postavka na terenu je već trenerova direktna odgovornost. Kod Milovanovića u Lučanima je čak, što neko reče: "Gašićev sin ministar" odigrao nekoliko utakmica solidno, iako je do tada ozbiljniji fudbal gledao samo na TV-u. Tako da nije sve do igrača, jer njih neko mora da uigra da bi ličili na tim. Božović svakako nije baš najbolji u tome.Lotom (talk) 20:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


Why don't you surf the internet a little bit and broaden your knowledge about chetnik fascists. --Silverije (talk) 21:27, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Instead of the internet, how about reading some scholar books so you would understand what fascism is and who the Chetniks were? FkpCascais (talk) 14:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for correction. Bogic (talk) 19:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Circus vol. unknown[edit]

Pozato je za koju grupaciju pojačanja ti navijaš. Jedino što su bata Kokez i ekipica oko njega ograničili taj broj pa će klubovi igrače stvarno ganjati po kukuruzu. Recimo, Spartak je ovu polusezonu imao dva igrača iz 4. lige. Ostojića su rehabilitovali, jer iako ima tek 21, prve seniorske utakmice je branio za Hajduk sa Liona u BG zoni. Mali Pantić je igrao za Čurug, međutim za njega sam pročitao da je proglašen za najboljeg igrača na svojoj poziciji u Vojvodini, u svom uzrastu naravno. Može se da se razvije u dobrog igrača, međutim mora dosta da radi, jer je poprilično sitan. Ali to su još uvek klinci, a vraćati igrača koji nema gde da igra i nema nekog smisla. Mada me ova situacija podseća na onu od pre 2 godine kada je na toj poziciji doveden Zoran Belošević pa se nije naigrao. Problem je samo što ja zasad nigde ne nalazim njegovu registraciju za Kopaonik. Brus inače pripada Aleksandrovcu. Postoji mogućnost i da je samo trenirao, kao Đilas sa Teleoptikom. Ja sam recimo priželjkivao Gobeljića u Zvezdi i ranije, ali mislim da je sada najbolji trenutak. Poznajem ga, odlično znam kakav je, znam mu vrline i mane. Može da bude izuzetno koristan igrač, a svakako je jedan od najspremnijih igrača u ligi i veliki radnik na terenu. Međutim malo je igrača u ligi koji su ovog trenutka spremni za nešto ozbiljno. A uprave klubova bolje da se ne komentarišu. Kvalifikacije počinju, a niko još nije doveo iole pismenog štopera. Onaj Vošin Brazilac može da bude nešto, ako se u pravoj meri adaptira na uslove u Srbiji.

Nevezano za ovo, imao sam kombinaciju da posetim Aveiro na nekoliko dana sredinom Jula, ali mi se nisu poklopile kockice za to ove godine.Lotom (talk) 00:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

E baš šteta, nisam nkad bio u Avejru, ali znam da je simpatično mesto na moru na ušću reke Mondego. Mislim da imaju fakutete tamo a i kao plaža su Koimbre (Coimbra) trećeg grada Portugala. FkpCascais (talk) 23:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Rivalstva Srbije sa Hrvatskom i Albanijom[edit]

Da li ti možeš da napraviš članke o rivalstvima fudbalske reprezentacije Srbije sa Hrvatskom i Albanijom? O tome kakva je pozadina, kako je nastalo, šta se događalo u tom rivalstvu i spisak međusobnih mečeva. Unapred zahvaljujem. Jolicnikola (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Nema šanse, pa pogledaj koliko malo editujem zadnjih meseci a sad još treba da se selim. Sa Hrvatskom bi mogao interesantan clanak da se napravi, ali sa Albanijom ne vidim u cemu smo uopšte rivali... Albanija je mala sportski veoma slaba nacija, ne vidim nijedan sport u kojem nam parira uopšte a kamoli da stvara neko rivalstvo (borilački sprtovi jedino). To što se oni pale kad igraju protiv nas u nečemu, ih... FkpCascais (talk) 18:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
@Jolicnikola: da me ne shvatiš pogrešno, meni je velika čast da računaš na mene. Imam veliko poštovanje, odavno pratim i fantastične stvari si uradio. Veoma si dobar i pedantan editor, od najboljih što imamo. I pošto nije prvi put da ti ovakav neki predlog odbijam, red je da objasnim u čemu je zapravo stvar i zašto već niz godina, pa sigurno i sledećih, ću odbijati ovakve predloge. Stvar je prosta, mator sam konj, imam obaveze, i nažalost nemam taj luksuz više da editujem satima ovde. Ovo je dobrovoljan rad, a ja moram da se skoncentrišem tamo gde ima leba. Jedno vreme mi je ovo bila baš zaraza pa sam odlučio da moram manje vremena da provodim u editovanju. I moram da se držim toga, zato odbijam da prihvatim predloge stvaranja ozbiljnih članaka ma koliko god oni sjajni bili, iz privatnog principa i zato što mi je takav život trenutno, čeka me velika selidba.
Ja sam počeo da editujem pre jedno tačno deset godina. Tada je zaista bilo veoma puno bitnih članaka koji su falili ili bili tek u početnim fazama vezani za naš, jugoslovenski i srpski, fudbal. Tada sam imao znatno više slobodnog vremena i bila mi je baš čast da napravim i proširim neke članke. Za neke sam izgubio po nekoliko meseci, pa čak i pola godine, godinu, pa i više. Jasno je da i dalje ima mnogo toga da se radi, ali ja sam svoj deo za sada uradio. Ono čega bi se uhvatio kad tad u budućnosti je možda da proširim ili napravim posebno članak istorije BSKa, takve stvari. Kad vidiš da fale neki članci ne vredi drugima da tražiš da ih prave, najbolje uzmi sam i napravi ih. Nema nas mnogo, lako vidiš šta ko gde šta radi i vidiš im i sandboxes članaka koje pripremaju. Ako vidiš da neko već sprema neku temu koju želiš da pomogneš, kontaktiraj ga pa zajedno napravite članak. Ja razumem da je tvoja ideja manje više vrsta "Task force" gde bi videli koji članci fale pa se organizovali da ih napravimo. Svojevremeno sam mislio da napravim (to još tamo negde 2OO9.) "Task force Yugoslav football" ili "Serbian football" ali nije nas bilo dovoljno za tako nešto. U međuvremenu je svako po nešto radio, bilo je i vrednih editora koji su nestali pa se i vrate ponekad ali sad samo sporadično. Ja sigurno prelazim već duže vreme u tu grupu. Održavam ovaj račun, ali većinom samo apdejtujem poneke članke i ništa više. I bolje odmah da priznam, ni ne planiram da budem nešto poviše aktivan u bliskoj budućnosti. Ima par fantastičnih editora koji pokrivaju sadašnjicu srpskog fudbala, mislim pre svega na User:Lotom, User:Bora83ns i User:Nightfall87, User:Linhart, User:Matej1234 i User:Snowflake91 se bave Slovenijom, User:StefanovicPFK, Gazda1970 i ..::11soccero11::.. Partizanom, User:Klačko isto dobar editor, Msb73505 makedonskim fudbalom, User:BiHVolim i User:Hazbulator Bosnom, User:Bosna Sarajevo je car što se FK Sarajeva tiče, MontenegrinSportEditor crnogorskim fudbalom, User:Eni.Sukthi.Durres mi je definitivno burazer za albanski deo mada sa njim imam i po koje baš smešne diskusije jer je dosta nacionalista, itd. sigurno mi fale mnogi, ali to smo ti. Što se mene tiče uvek ću ostaviti ovde račun i prtitiga i bićemo nekako svi spojeni. FkpCascais (talk) 21:29, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Hvala na komplimentu / Thanks man. all the best. BiHVolim (talk) 12:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello FkpCascais what's the matter? Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:38, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

fkpC, samo da ti kažem. Svi igrači Ilirije sa spiska User:FkpCascais/Sandbox30 su Slovenci odnosno Jugoslaveni. Linhart (talk) 13:34, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Eni, I am telling everyone you are pussy and Albanians suck in football. .... Ahahaha no, no, I am joking, dont warry, I am just recomending you as the editor to contact in case help is needed regarding Albanian football. I was just saying that despite some funny nationalistic discussions in the past, you are definitelly my buddy and friend when I need help with something related to your area. I hope you dont mind. I listed you and other good editors from the region I know have been active and are friendly and helpfull.
Linhart, hvala, rekao mi je i Mors to već ranije, ja sam ih ostavio kao i neke druge jer tražim strance u Jugoslaviji i takođe u drugom planu ne srbe u srpskim klubovima, pa kad naletim na neko čudnije prezime na toj listi vidim dali i gde je još igrao. Ako im znaš mesto i godina rođenja slobodno ubaci. U Iliriji znam od stranaca za austrijanca Karl Zankla i čeha Bohuslav Segera. Cela ta moja poenta sa strancima je jedan moj lični inat. Kad sam bio mali imao sam u široj porodici jednog starijeg čoveka koji je sada već odavno nažalost pokojni i koji je bio igrač u Radničkom iz Beograda. Obožavao sam da slušam njegove priče u kojima je između ostalog govorio kako je pre rata u jugoslovenskim klubova bilo dosta stranaca i kako se družio sa njima. A kod nas postoji velika tendencija da se govori kako u vreme Jugoslavije nije bilo stranaca. Mislim, generalno je sigurno tačno za veći deo SFRJ doba. Ali, probudila se ta želja u meni da to proverim i vidim koliko je tačno bilo stranaca i kad. Takođe imamo i tendenciju da mislimo odmah da je neki igrač recimo sa nemačkim prezimenom verovatno neki naš nemac, član nemačke manjine, sigurno da ih većina i jesu, ali za ove o kojima je govorio sigurno nisu jer se sećam da je pričao kako nisu znali naš jezik pa je bilo korisno što je on znao nemački. Jasno je meni da je na toj listi najverovatnije tek negde jedan na dvadeset ili trideset pravi stranac, ali je to bio jedini način da otkrijem neke i godine i klubove gde su igrali. Mene inače fascinira taj period i ti prvi transferi, profesionalci i globbetrotteri. Utiska sam da je uloga Jugoslavije veoma zanemarena i da smo sami sebi izbrisali svest i sećanje iz tog perioda. Propaganda koja je skoro pola veka insistirala da se o predratnom periodu govori samo u tonu siromaštva je ostavila ukorenu tendenciju u kojoj i dan danas je i dalje popularnije govoriti o nekim pričama viteških pobeda lokalnih golonogih momaka, rađe nego o činjenici da je BSK dvadesetih doveo kapitena rumunske reprezentacije, kako je zagrebačka publika od starta navikla da gleda u svojim klubovima austrijske i češke reprezentativce, Hajduk koji dovodi Sobotku, tada kao recimo Nedved u Juventusu, SK Jugoslavija koja je redovno imala drim tim, Vojvodina koja stvara čuveni "Milijonerski tim", Ljubljana vrsta slovenačke reprezentacije, itd. A mišljenja sam da je rat upravo prekinuo početak jednog zlatnog perioda našeg fudbala. FkpCascais (talk) 16:51, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Stranci koje ja znam u slo. klubovima su bili, Ilirija: 13 Jaroslav Jirkovsky, 20 Vilém "Vilda" Loos, 21 Bohuslav Seger, 23 Vaclav Janoušek, 24 Willy Pammer, 25 opet Seger, 26 Karl Zankl, 27 Josef Wana. Svi su bili treneri/igrači i zadržali su se vrlo kratko, obično su došli na ljeto kad je bila pauza u AUT/ČEŠ. Prvi pravi trener, koji je bio tu na dalje razdoblje bio je Johann Baar 1929. U Primorju su bili 27 Franz Wening in 34 Erwin Puschner. A među igračima slo. klubova ja ne znam, da bi bilotko bio stranac. Ljubo Vidmajer bio je rođen 1897 u Gradecu, ali mislim da je ipak bio Slovenac, došao je već kao klinac u Ljubljanu (isto tako Vane Doberlet, koji je bio rođen 1906 u Beogradu). Za Naceta Košaka nisam siguran, dal je bio Slovenac ili Hrvat, ti kažeš rođen u Varaždinu? Svi ostali su više manje rođeni u Ljubljani (ili neki Celju i Mariboru) i okolnim selima ili u Primorskoj (naravno uglavnom igrači Primorja), oni koji su došli nakon rapalla. Zbog specifičnog područja i istorije njemačka i talijanska prezimena nisu ništa posebno među Slovencima. Jedini igrač kojeg ja znam, da je stvarno zaigrao u državnom prvenstvu za ljubljanski tim i da bi mogao biti stranac (dakle ne Jugoslaven), bio je Valter Rataj (možda negdje i Walter Ratay ili tako nešto), koji je igrao za SK Ljubljanu 1938/39, a došao je iz Beča, mislim da neki željezničarski klub. Znam, da je napustio YU jer nije dobio dozvole za bivanje, jer nije bio građan, ali nemam pojma koje je bio nacionalnosti, jer Rataj je dosta obično slo. prezime pa možda je samo živio tamo. Ovdašnji klubovi su bili siromašni i nisu imali para za profesionalne igrače (osim aku so došli i kao treneri), tako da nije bilo više stranaca. Prije 1936 svi su bili amateri, a SK Ljubljana je poslednjim godinama prije rata imala dva profesionalna igrača. Bilo je još nekih zanimljivih stranih igrača, ali nisu igrali na tom nivou, recimo Austrijanac Karl Dürschmied, koji je igrao za Athletik SK i čak za reprezentaciju LNP, ili recimo Čeh Karol Valašek, koji je igao za Iliriju prije prvog svetskog rata. Linhart (talk) 23:59, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Ako trebaš izvore: Linhart (talk) 22:54, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Vladimir Stojković (2)[edit]

Olá Filip, tudo bem? Espero que sim,

vai mais uma ajudinha neste senhor (como é sérvio, espero que não haja problema em contribuires, e é muito fácil para ti)? Referências #40 e #41, acho que nem te leva cinco minutos: a primeira não percebo se fala de patrocínios ou não (Super Tim), não quis arriscar, a segunda é bastante confusa (não percebo se "88" é um ano ou um minuto de jogo).

Fiz mais uma limpeza no artigo, e descobri que o teu compatriota STEFANOVICPFK, sempre que o homem defende um penalti, escreve na história. Mesmo que a equipa do Stojkovic (saúda-se, os parvalhões dos vândalos parece que deixaram de vir aqui escrever "Mustafa" no nome dele) perca, não pode ser! Já compus devidamente.

Abraços, tudo de bom desde Portugal e obrigado de antemão --Quite A Character (talk) 02:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Boas Vasco, sim, meterem "Mustafa" a ele é puro vandalismo, é o pessoal do Estrela Vermelha ainda a nao consiguerem esquecer o que consideram de mega traicao, o facto dele ter assinado pelos grandes enemigos Partizan, certamente ja sabes. Quanto aos links, o #40 nao me abre (diz "ligacao privada") mas o titulo "Proglašen jelen Super Tim" se traduz em "O onze ideal da SuperLiga foi divulgado". Quanto ao link #41, o "Harizmatični ’88’ osvojio nagradu i navijačka srca" o 88 se refere ao seu numero (que tem novamente agora na actualidade no Partizan) e traduz algo como "O carismático 88 conquistou o prémio e o coracao dos adéptos." FkpCascais (talk) 04:01, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

MUITO OBRIGADO, vou já lá pôr! --Quite A Character (talk) 04:36, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

  • Agora foi a vez do Almami Moreira, após a minha limpeza uma contribuição tua simples, por favor: na referência #11, a única palavra que me saíu para "Moravac" foi "imbecil", não quis arriscar (a frase toda diz "Moravac na crno-beli način", agora já me saíu outra, "Moravianos"). Obrigado desde já, boa semana --Quite A Character (talk) 23:32, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Isso tem a ver com o rio Morava que passa pela cidade de onde Borac Cacak vem e o titulo se traduziria em algo como "Moravian in a black and white fashion" FkpCascais (talk) 23:53, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Još jedan "tvoj"[edit]

Evo stigao je novi igrač u Javor, potpisao na 3 i po godine i odmah otišao u Radnički KG na 6 meseci. Nemam pojma ni kako se tačno zove pošto se u savezu u dva dokumenta vodi pod različitim imenom, ne znam ni odakle je jer mi ovo baš i ne zvuči kao da je iz Togo-a, niti mu znam bilo kakve generalije. Videću da mu odradim nešto osnovno u pesku što znam u ovom trenutku, a ti ćeš svakako videti u mojim skorašnjim izmenama, pa ubaci ako iskopaš bilo kakvu korisnu informaciju. Cenim da je bolje tako nego da odmah bacimo klicu koja pravi još veću zabunu ko je lik u stvari. Lotom (talk) 05:45, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Eheh "moj" :D Da, da bolje naravno. Video sam da si ga bio ubacio sa zastavom Toga, bas sam hteo da te pitam sta znas o njemu jer ja sve sto sam za sad iskopao je neki Herve Kouakou Amani (,,,, i Sad vidim da si mu ubacio Togo jer je dosao iz tamosnjeg kluba Entente, pa si izbacio zastavicu posle dok ne saznamo. E sad moramo da potvrdimo je li to taj igrac ili neki drugi.
Darko Tesovic je na analizi za Arrenu posle utakmice prvi jasno rekao da su stranci ti koji prave razliku, a debil Koroman smatra negativno da je Donald kapiten... On je koliko znam u njegovo vreme i napravio darmar u vasem timu jer je skupio grupicu oko sebe da budu protiv stranaca. Vas tim definitivno zivi od kicme koju cine Donald, Kanga i Boakye. Osetio sam da ce derbi biti ovako slab. FkpCascais (talk) 19:27, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

U diskusiji sam sa likom sa FM-a, koji kopa većinu informacija za igrače koji nastupaju po Srbiji. On je možda i veći ludak od mene u tom smislu, ali se ispomažemo kad nekome fali neki info. On traži svuda, ali bazični deo traži preko FB-a, što se opet često ispostavi vrlo nesigurnim. Primer Oteng Baah, koji bi prema tom datumu ispao maloletan prilikom debija za Jagodinu, što je prema propisima nemoguće. je samo način pregleda baze menadžera, ali koji ti ne otkriva mnogo toga. Dve su opcije, ili je ovaj Diawara iz Zemuna Malijac koji je igrom slučaja svrstan među Nigerijce, ili to uopšte nije taj igrač. S obzirom na to da su informacije vrlo oskudne, sve je moguće. Video sam još onda kad je stigao tvoje pitanje na YT, ali zasad smo uskraćeni za nešto više o ovome. Ovaj drugi stipendista je Nigerijac, a trebalo bi da je '97 i da igra desno krilo. Sve je to međutim Bekvalac "na vreme" oterao, ali su ugovori zvanično na snazi. Lotom (talk) 13:48, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Negde sam video da je Diawara dosao iz Nigerije, tamo iz nekog kluba. A vidim da kaze da je 2O15/16 bio u Malijskom klubu ASO Missira. Poostoji tu vremenska rupa u kojoj je on mozda bio u Nigeriji pre dolaska kod nas. Ali, ime Issa Hare Diawara je sigurno iz zemlje frnacuskog govornog podrucja a Nigerija je englesko govorno podrucje. I video mu je na frnacuskom. Ja poto sam od malena lud za geografijom i geoplitikom lako prepoznajem korene po imenima. Narocito kad jos na to iskombinujem ludilo koje sam od malena imao da pisem i prepisujem sve svetske reprezentacije, danas mi je lako da po imenu i prezimenu priblizno lako znam odakle neko moze da bude. To nam danas i sajt poput nft lako omogucava, evo recimo Diawara uvek prezime, nikad ime, i svi iz zemalja zapadne Afrike u kojima se govori francuski. E sad, u Maliju je vec godinama politicka nestabilnost, građanski rat i siromastvo, jadni gledaju da odu negde vani da zive sta ce. Verovatno si vec primetio da su u toj Subsaharskoj Africi Nigerija, Gana, Kamerun, mamac za fudbalere da bi isli negde dalje. Mladi Malijac doveden u Nigeriju, tamo vervatno bio u nekom manjem klubu, nasi ga uzeli, trazili papire za registraciju iz Nigerijskog saveza, i sta oni znaju, on je za njih nigerijac, jadan decko i da je pokusao da objasni video je da ih sve boli kurac i shvatio da bolje da cuti, i tako.... eto kod nas igraju igraci a da im klub ne zna ni ime ni nacionalnst, bruka. Ne dajem ruku da je Diawara iz Malija, mze da bude iz jos nekih zemalja a da je igrao u Maliju, ali iz Nigerije nije sigurno, zivot dajem.
Slican primer mi deluje i onaj iz Borca Poba Yubu Toure. Zajedno sa Masiyom Francis (ruku dajem da je Francis ime a ne prezime) su predstavljeni kao iz DR Konga. Evo DR Congo, Francis Masiya jos i nekako, ali Poba Yubu Toure mi nesto bas ne ide u tu grupu. Aj da vidimo Toure, ima ih dosta, cesto prezime, ali u Zapadnoj subsahrskojo Africi, nikakav Kongo.
E, a ovo za Baaha te nisam razumeo. Sta, ima vise opcija za datum rođenja§ A i da je debitovao maloletan, zar sa lekarskom potvrdom nije odobreno maloletnom igracu da debituje§ FkpCascais (talk) 18:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Fora je u tome što maloletan igrač ne može da napusti matičnu zemlju pre 18. Na prostoru EU je to valjda drugačije uređeno, a ima i ona fora da cela porodica promeni mesto boravka. Ta lekarska potvrda se odnosi na igrače iz škole koji su mlađi od 17, a stariji od 16 godina. Lotom (talk) 22:52, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Cekaj cekaj, maloletnom igracu je naravno dozvljeno da napusti zemlju (mozda jedino u Severnoj Koreji nije), ali mora da ima odobrenje roditelja. Biti strani drzavljanin i uclaniti se u neki klub nije skoro nigde u svetu problem (saglasnost roditelja obavezna naravno). Ali i domaci maloletni moraju isto da imaju doozvolu roditelja. Evo recimo ja sam ziveo u Meksiku od 1. do 6. godine zivota. Bio sam i u poseti Bori Milutinovicu dokk je trenirao tamosnji UNAM i cak su napravili u lokalnoj stampi clanak kako mali jugosloven (ja) dolazi u posetu na trening senioorskog i juniorskih timoova UNAMa i kakoo bi to mogao (zbog Bore) da bude pocetak uvoza mladih talenata iz Evrope i ostatka sveta. Kasnije sam dosao u Portugal u desetoj godini i bio sam na probi u juniorima Cascaisa. U Cascaisu i u juniorima i seniorima ima toliko stranaca da jedva nađes qravog portugalca. Ja sam trenirao sa U15 uzrastom i pola ih je crnci i brazilci a drugo pola portugalci i deca stranaca koji ovde zive (sveđana, nemaca, sqanaca, engleza, itd.). SVIMA treba odobrenje roditelja. A oni koji su "uvezeni" sredi im klub rezidenciju (boravak). Znaci, moraju da imaju boravak i odbrenje roditelja. E sad, da bi zaigrali za seniore, sem boravka i oodoobrenja roditelja, moroaju da imaju neko minimalno godiste i lekarsku pootvrdu da su spoosobni da se bave seniorskim fudbalom. Neko ko je strani građanin a ima sređen boravak u toj zemlji (znaci legalan je) ima apsolutno ista prava kao i bilo koji drugi legalan domaci građanin. Evo recimo jedan moj drug, on ima srpski pasos i dosao je sa roditeljima ovde kad je imao 7 godina. Napravili su zahtev i odobren im je i svi clanovi porodice su dobili boravak i legalno su ovde. Decko obozava rukomet i kasnije je video gde da trenira i upisao se neki mali klub a psle godinu dana skautovao ga je Porto. Mislis da mu je neko zabranio da se upise u Porto i da pocne da igra u juniorima samo zato sto nema domaci pasos§§§ Vazno je samo da je legalan i da ima odbrenje roditelja (uslovi isto kao i domacima! Da su legalni, imaju licnu kartu i sve sređeno i da daju dozvolu malom da igra). Mali je bio toliko talentovan da je sa 16 zaigrao za seniore. ... E sad, razlika ovih slucajeva je ta sto su ovi mali dosli sa roditeljima koji su vec tu i sa legalno sa sređenim boravkom, a mali se onda samo upisu u neki klub da igraju bilo koji sport u bilo koojem godistu. A ovi primeri tipa Baah su ti da klub angazuje jednog maloletnog igraca iz neke druge zemlje bez da on ima niti riditelje vec ovde niti legalizovan boravak u Srbiji. Klub se onda obrati MIPu i napravi zahtev da se izda boravak Baahu (daju mu radni ugovor na neko vreme sto automatski olaksava dobijanje boravka) i sa dobijenim boravkom i dozvolom roditelja, on moze da igra i za juniore i seniore apsolutno bez prblema isto kao sto to moze i svaki drugi legalan stanovnik Srbije. FkpCascais (talk) 01:53, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Ja ti pišem ono što je meni poznato, odnosno što mi se čini da sam pročitao u pravilniku. Šta misliš, zašto su Vlahović i mlađi Ilić ostali do punoletstva kod nas? Pogledaj sve strane igrače koji dolaze kod nas. Niko od njih maloletan nije nastupio, odnosno imao je navršenih 18 godina prilikom dolaska u Srbiju. Kada je Ødegaard trebalo da pređe u Real, sećam se da je bila priča da je sređeno da se cela porodica preseli u Španiju. U tom slučaju je dozvoljeno, s tim što nisam siguran koje se pravilo primenjuje na prostoru EU. U pravilniku stoji i da klubovi nemaju striktno ograničenje koliko će stranaca dovesti u svoj mladi tim. To je jedan od razloga za onoliki broj Rusa na Bežaniji i u Železniku (Lokomotiva). Svi su oni uglavnom '99. iz razloga koje sam ti upravo naveo. Mlađi ne mogu da budu, a to je sada izlazno godište u omladincima, svi stariji su prerasli taj uzrast i nemaju više pravo nastupa. Imaš kod mene na stranici za razgovor pravilnik o registraciji iz saveza za ovu sezonu, Bora je okačio, pa pogledaj ako te ne mrzi. Prema tome, suštinski gledano, strani igrači mogu da nastupaju za omladince najduže sezonu i to pod uslovom da su rođeni početkom godine. Lotom (talk) 12:53, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Ovaj jel§ Evo citam, clan 39 upravo kaze ono da iigrac mora da ima sređen privremeni ili stalni boravak u Srbiji. Ako klub da ugovor ili cak predugovor to odmah olaksava dobijanje boravka. To boravak fakticki znaci da si u zemlji legalan a ne kao turista (sa bravkom mozes da radis) ili ilegalac. Kad igrac profesionalac dolazi iiiz drugog saveza, taj savez mora da dostupi FSS njegov ITC. Ako imaju manje od 1O godiina ITC im nije ni potreban. Clan 46 kaze da međunardni stransferi su odobreni (po normalnim standardnim regulativama) kad igrac je punoletan. Clan 46a govori o slucajima kao one st sam naveo, da kao stranac odrstas sa roditeljima negde vani i zelis da pocnes da igras. Znacii, roditeljii moraju da ti budu legalni u toj zemlji (da imaju vazeci boravak). 46b se odnosi na teritoriju EU gde samo ustvarii kkaze da iigrac menja drzavu ali mora da nastavi obavezno skkolstv u toj novoj zemji (recimo, Malmo kupi talentvanog finca od 16 godina, bitno je samo da taj decko nastavi srednju skolu u Malmeu). Clan 46v je za slucajeve poput decka koji je iz Bratislave a angazuje ga lub iz Beca. On nastavii da zivi i studra u Braiislavi a treniira iii igra u Becu koji je udaljen nesto vise d centra Beograda do Panceva. Clan 47 vezuje maloletne igrace za roditelje, normalno. Clan 55 kaze da klubovi prva nasa tri stepena takmcenja mogu da stpendijske ugovre daju igracima između 15 do 18 godina. Clan 56 je onaj toliko spominjan u javnsti a da ljudi ne shvataju uopšte poentu. "Igraci mlađi od 18 NE MOGU da se vezu za neki klub niti profesionalnim niti stipendijskim ugovorom na vise od 3 godine. To je tesko objasniti narodu ali taj FIFA zakon stiti ljudska prava. Jer "raja" masom komentarise da se neki maloletni talenat veze ugovorm na 7 ili 9 godina, nebuloze. Kad bi to moglo onda bi klubovi zloupotrebljavali to. Kako§ Pa recimo, Partizan nađe u Pirotu nekog vanserijskog malog od 16 godina i ponudi mu ugovor. Roditelji i mali presrecni. Ali Vazurin covek kaze "Ili potpisujes na 8 godina da zarađujes 4OO evra mesecno ili nista". I roditelji naravno potpisu. Posle godinu i po mali se priikljuci prvom timu, debituje, da dva gola i dve siistencije, postane proglasen među sto najvecih talenata u svetu prema SoccerWorld, stizu ponude Reala, Barse... ali Vazura ga ima vezanog do njegove 26. godine za 4OO evra mesecno... Ukratko, da se ne bi klubovi koristilii naivnosti i sirmastva roditelja u određenom trenutku u zivtu, FIFA za maloletne daje maksimum 3 gdine vezivanja igraca za klub, a onda posle tih 3 godiine kad se bolje vidi realan potencijal igraca, onda i igrac i roditelji ii klub mogu da pregovore novi fer ugovor. Da nije tak viidi sta bi moglo da se desi§ Kristijano Ronaldov tata je bio siromah navucen na heroin. Posle prvog lokkalnog kluba Andorinhe prešao je kao desetogodišnjak u Nacional. Nacional je tad mogao da prepozna talenat i ponudi tati 500 evra mesecno ugovor na 10 godina, i tata bi oberucke prihvatio. CR7 bi igrao u Nacionalu za mizernu platu samo jer je klub umeo da iskoristi situaciju. Zato je FIFA ogranicila sa pravom na 3 godine vezivanje ugovorom maloletnih igraca, sprecava ropstvo.
Dalje, ne vidim gde vidis to za samo godinu dana iiigranja stranaca u mladincima§ FkpCascais (talk) 15:34, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
To je neki logičan sled događaja ukoliko igrač dolazi sa punih 18 godina, jer sa 19 već prestaje da bude omladinac. Tanko je primer za ovu sezonu. Klinci iz RS su nešto drugo, jer svi imaju srpske pasoše i ne dolaze kao stranci, ali je klub u obavezi da ih stipendira, odnosno obezbedi im uslove za život i rad. Pa ta Jagodina duguje kamaru para za plate igračima od pre 3 godine, tako da nešto čisto sumnjam da može da priušti sebi te izvanredne uslove. Lotom (talk) 06:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Otto Fischer (footballer)[edit]

Hi, you created the article, on we have he coached Napoli in 1928-1929.. -- (talk) 16:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Done it. Thank you. In the meantime you are missing his coaching spell at FK Mačva Šabac in 193O/31. The sources are in the article. Saluti! FkpCascais (talk) 01:07, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Vedad Ibišević[edit]

Could you have look at this article? I could use your language skills here. Over the past few days, IP's have been adding claims that Vedad Ibišević retired from international football. They've not cited any sources, and I can't find any myself, but they're persistent enough to make me think it's probably true. Could you see if you can find any Bosnian sources that might shed some light on the matter? Thanks in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:45, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Sure, let me take a look at Bosnian media and I let you know. FkpCascais (talk) 22:31, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Sir Sputnik you seem to be correct. I have lookd at what is considered the most popular football news website in Bosnia,, and says nothing about Ibisevic leaving the NT. Also, Bosnian FA official website says nothing about it either. What happened these days is that the NT chose a new manager, Meho Kodro, so there may be some speculation abut some players may have more chances than others, but I see nothing more than that. That IP should definitelly add a source. FkpCascais (talk) 22:53, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Anel Dedić[edit]

Hello mate, I need help and i think you're the right person to ask. Recently i created Anel Dedić, a bosnian footballer who plays in my country's championship. But i have lack of information about his career in bosnia. in the 2012-13 season he scored 9 goals in the bosnia first league, but i'm struggling to find how games he played during that season, since i have no knowledge in bosnian language. That why i cannot update his infobox. since you are from Serbia, you are fluent in Yugoslavian language and can help me bosnian referenecs. i want to find references for his career at vitez & Čelik Zenica. Thank you -- Sadsadas, (talk) 16 November 2017

Sadsadas sure, the source I use for Bosnian league stats is this one. Someone added all the info from the Bosnian FA yearbooks from begining after independence till 2016. The problem is that we are missing data of lower leagues and I am sure he played at least few more seasons befoe 2012. FkpCascais (talk) 13:47, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
I saw at this article that he had scored 9 goals in 2012-13. The ref they put was dead link. You're right, he has not debuted professionaly at 21 years of age. But at least find references for his transfers at vitez (second spell) & celik. It will improve the article a lot. Even better, you can add it yourself since you have a huge english knowledge. Thank you -- Sadsadas, (talk) 16 November 2017

Palestine League[edit]

Hello, I'm sorry, but I had to rollback your edit on Palestine League. The British Police side was an XI representing the Palestine Police Force, and therefore the link was made (not by me, btw). However, since it might be better to prepare a separate page for the British Police F.C., I might have a go at that, and for this I thank you. Eranrabl (talk) 17:52, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, Eranrabl making the club article would definitelly be way better, that would be so kind if you make it. Unfortunatelly I have no enough knowledge in the area but I am egger to see more stuff from that early Israeli football period. Any help please be allways welcome, kindest regards! FkpCascais (talk) 23:29, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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I suggest[edit]

you re-affirm your stance here: Talk:Yugoslav coup d'état#Dated or not dated, as per my last edit.Axxxion (talk) 15:12, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

i do not mind if you amend it (Yugoslav coup d'état): amnot really an expert on the subject, but the attitude of Peacemaker appears to be that of wholesale stonewalling any attempts at improvement there, which i find quite unproductive.Axxxion (talk) 00:13, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Axxxion I apologise, I have been having extemely limited time (you can see by my contribs) that is why I havent answered you or helped. Hope soon to have more time. FkpCascais (talk) 17:12, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Arton Zekaj[edit]

Hello, FkpCascais. Can you help with information about Arton Zekaj, Serbian footballer of Kosovo Albanian descent who plays as a defensive midfielder for Serbian club Partizan. Please this request, do not take as an insult.

Hey, sure, I will try to help, whz would I ever take is as an insult? Please feel welcome to ask whatever you need at any time! FkpCascais (talk) 20:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
There is one problem. He plays for Partizan youth team and never was even in the bench for the seniors. He spent a half season with FK Bačka Bačka Palanka but failed to debut for the first team which actually plays in SuperLiga. So :/ I have to say that by now the article is most likely be deleted because he doesnt passes WP:Notability.
Also, I will like please to call yout atention to please avoid adding tendentious claims such as "an Albanian would had it impossible to play for Partizan or Serbia national teams." Speciallz having in mind that Zekaj actually played for Serbia in youth levels. FkpCascais (talk) 20:46, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
@FkpCascais: First of all, the cause I wanted help from you is that you have a lot of information about for the Serbian football and I had a question: Does Arton currently play with FK Partizan Academy? Also you can help me with the years, appearances, goals with the teams and Serbia national teams and for the issue of "an Albanian would have had it impossible to play for Partizan or Serbia national teams" are not words invented, but are the words of coach Isa Sadriu.
Yes, I noteced it was Sadriu words, I changed slightly the wording to make it more clear. About him and his club this season, seems a bit of mistery. He seems to be out of radar. He is not with Partizan academy, and also not at FK Teleoptik, Partizans satellite team. He is not listed at anz club at and also not regstered at anz club at Serbian First League (second national level). I will try to see what can I do about his national team appearances. But since he didnt had any apperance neither in first or second level in the league, the case seems a bit lost by now for him to stand as an article. FkpCascais (talk) 23:43, 17 December 2017 (UTC) claims he is wth the B team, a sort of group of players that are just training at the club. FkpCascais (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for working so hard to create good pages on soccer! I will have you know that I am an ardent Manchester United fan, and love Nemanja Vidic to bits. ;) Ongmianli (talk) 01:51, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

OH, I feel so proud to receve such recogntion from a dedicated editor as you are. Thank you so much, please feel free to contact me whatever I can help you, it would be a pleasure. Feel always welcome, kindest regards! FkpCascais (talk) 02:07, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Vardar Macedonia[edit]

but Macedonian does not use both, that it is only in Serbian then it can so, like this it should stand after comma, as transliteration

example: Вардарска Македонија, Vardarska Makedonija or Вардарска Македонија, tr. Vardarska Makedonija

--SrpskiAnonimac (talk) 12:19, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

What does it matter if Macedonian uses both of not, in this case we are adding the Serbian language version, so both versions should be presented. FkpCascais (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
OK, now it is perfect. Thanks and regards! FkpCascais (talk) 17:38, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Belgrade template[edit]

the graph says ″Churches and temples″. Obviously, Fenek monastery is neither. If you want it to be there, there has to be a special graph. Leaving aside the issue that the term "temple" in English has nothing to do with any of what is listed there. The problem is that the Serbs (like all the other Balkan harlot-nations) had always been wooed by the Anglos (for their own purpose) and because of that never had a serious motivation to learn THE language.Axxxion (talk) 15:25, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

If that is the reason, than OK, but as you initially said that the problem of inclusion was its location and how it was not in Belgrade, that was a wrong reasoning. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 21:38, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Forgive my being a bit too sharp yesterday: no offence intended. Nevertheless, the term (″temple″) is probably wrong in the context.Axxxion (talk) 20:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Hey, no problem at all, you have made so much great work here on Please ping me anytime if I can help you. Kindest regards! FkpCascais (talk) 21:01, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion[edit]

Information icon Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. SILENTRESIDENT 00:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

This is at ANI already... FkpCascais (talk) 00:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

January 2018[edit]

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.
During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  NeilN talk to me 01:01, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Why? FkpCascais (talk) 01:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
What was unclear about "all editors are warned to (a) stop any more edit-warring on this article for at least 3 days, and (b) use the talk-page to discuss this dispute."? --NeilN talk to me 01:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
(Edit coflict) @Black Kite: I just saw the discussion on your talk-page and I must say "Kind of unbelievable they insisted on the unsourced disputed claim!". I just now saw the closure of the thread and I was outragious of them being able to revert while on discussion. Please be bold, you saw on your talk-page how manipulative they had been as saying in an edit summary that I was reported whgile they were. It is a highly unjust situation here :( FkpCascais (talk) 01:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
PS to Neil : It eas unclear that I didnt saw it at time I made the edit... FkpCascais (talk) 01:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
You knew that I had already stated you had broken WP:3RR. Yet you went for another revert. --NeilN talk to me 01:20, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
@NeilN: they just reverted now allegedly "on admn request"? Did you requested them to revert, or are they abusing the fact that you blocked me? FkpCascais (talk) 01:20, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
See User_talk:SilentResident#Mount_Athos --NeilN talk to me 01:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, right, same behaviour (in this case even worste since they clearly reverted while well aware of closue, while I reverted at time anaware of the closure, and besides clear liying and manipulation on their behalve, as I exposed on Black Kites talk page) being atributed with block to me and just an "oh well..." to them...??? Good job as admin Neil, real nice ;) FkpCascais (talk) 01:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
User:Neil, not even remembering the fact that all goes around the fact that they ae edit-waring about a totally unsourced claim they ae now triying to convince people that certain wording means what they wat it to mean (and it doesnt). So by standards, we, both sides did the same, by edits, they inserted POV content and agressivelly fought to keep it, so how is that I got blocked and they had just a "palmadinha nas costas" as it is said in Portuguese... ? FkpCascais (talk) 01:39, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Did they revert after the matter was opened on multiple noticeboards? --NeilN talk to me 01:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
@Neil: of course they did, they reverted well after me when orders on your behalve were clearly directed towards us. Are you aware that I was editing the article and next I came to the ANI board to see the outcame (see the timming), and you blocked me for that, while the SilentResident accout reverted well after while clearly aware of your outcome and clearly ignoring you even goig as far as suggesting you advised them to do so? This is a serious break of protocols, are you well aware of the undue weight you gave here? FkpCascais (talk) 01:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I suggest you look at the history again Silent Resident isn't Dr.K. --NeilN talk to me 02:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I was punished by you for reverting on 00:55 unaware of the outcome made at ANI at 00:49, while you allow them to revert alleging "ADMIN" allowence of it at 01:17 well aware of the closure which underlined that no further reverts should be made? You see the fails here? @Black Kite: I apologise but since you are within the matter, can you please help me? FkpCascais (talk) 02:05, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Note to any reviewing admin - please discuss with me before unblocking. --NeilN talk to me 02:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

@NeilN:, you asked me if they reverted after the threads were open, and I am giving you the diffs here that the thread saying no furthers edits should be done by us on the article without discussing was posted at 00:49 ad they, clearly aware of the outcome, even claiming they were allowed by admins to do so, reverted at 01:17, 28 minutes after that! You punished me with a block for an edit done 6 minutes after closure (closure which I was unaware at time) and you allow them to revert almost half an hour later with them clearly indicating of being aware of the closure and even claiming they were directed to do so?
My final post to you. I explicitly said you had broken WP:3RR. You saw this. Despite this, and without using a little common sense to look at the ANI thread updates, you reverted again. Basically you rolled the dice and lost. The block notice has instructions on how to appeal. --NeilN talk to me 02:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I removed the disputed unsourced statement from the article unaware of the closure of the thread (as seen by the chronology of the edits) and for that you are blocking me. However, half an hour later, 01:17 they reverted even alleging admin support? So their revert is directed by you? You seem to be highly compromised here in your faulty judgment as admin and clear takig sides on the matter. I am providing you the diffs so you can fix your ourcome @NeilN:. FkpCascais (talk) 02:39, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, no surpise you want them to talk to you first, so you can convince them not to disrupt the major fault you did here o this case... Better yourself fix it than going on this in detail ad who knows the outcome. FkpCascais (talk) 02:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • FkpCascais, you were clearly edit-warring despite a warning on this talkpage [27], an WP:ANEW report about you [28], and administrative warnings to you at ANI [29]. You made 6 reverts in less than 3 hours: [30]. No other editor ever even breached WP:3RR (that is, no other editor made more than 3 reverts): [31]. You never even went to the article's talkpage to discuss: [32]. This is a textbook clear case of edit-warring and a textbook block. Softlavender (talk) 02:46, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


Krenuo sam da ga radim (ono moje detaljno sa svim propratnim sranjima), pa ti dodaj posle što ispustim. Lotom (talk) 20:34, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Lotom: Ej super, bas sam mislio veceras da ga uradim ako niko pre mene nije poceo. covek je debitovao za reprezantaciju a ovi nasi niko da to sazna jebem ih glupe... FkpCascais (talk) 20:43, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Možda neće biti baš toliko opširno odmah, ali ću da gledam da izbunarim neke statistike za njega, ipak je čovek reprezentativac. Zasad imam generalije, prošlogodišnju pozajmicu i podatak da je bio proglašen za najboljeg igrača u novembru. Koliko imaju naši novinari, za početak je i to dosta. Valjda ću do sutra da zaršim sa kopanjem po prošlosti. Lotom (talk) 20:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Ma da, pa i mlad je, i nema puno sta. FkpCascais (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Nešto je urađeno, pa polako. Ako i kako se bude razvijao, dodavaće se. Meni po snimcima deluje nešto slabije, ali bi Teleoptiku legao sigurno, za početak. Ovi tereni gde je on igrao u rangu su sa Rakovicom ili Temnićevim stadionom u Varvarinu, tako da to nije neko merilo. Kod nas, ako ništa drugo, bar se nešto radilo na infrastrukturi. Za neku nijansu je bolje nego pre par godina, ali dosta je to tanko još uvek. Lotom (talk) 22:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Ma brate, perfektno si ga uradio, ne moze bolje. Ispao je zvezda, samo sa stranom kojom si mu napravio digao si mu cenu barem 20%. Svaka ti cast, perfektan clanak. FkpCascais (talk) 23:44, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
To sam napisao najviše iz razloga što je samo na toj prijateljskoj utakmici nastupio, ali ga očekujem u timu nadalje, pogotovo ukoliko bude igrao ovde koliko god. Ovako je samo potencijalni reprezentativac, nešto poput Đoleta Ivanovića. Lotom (talk) 00:01, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Kapiram, ali vazi se to vec cim je zvanican FIFA priznat nastup, ko hoce detalje dali je prijateljska ili takmicarska neka cita ceo clanak. Super si ga odradio, bas si car. FkpCascais (talk) 01:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Mejsiju, čini mi se, nismo imali ni u ulaznim transferima. Čovek ni papire nije preneo u klub. Ni ovaj drugi, Toure, se nije usrećio u Srbiji što se tiče igranja na zvaničnim utakmicama. Dodaj ga samo na onu listu, radi hronologije. Lotom (talk) 12:42, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

U koju listu? Znam da se nisu naigrali, nisu nijedan zvanican nastup imali nijedan, koliko se secam samo je Touré bio par puta na klupi u ligi prosle sezone. FkpCascais (talk) 17:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Zajedno su stigli u Srbiju, ali je samo Touré bio zvanično registrovan u papirima. Zato smo samo njega i ubacili u ulaznim transferima, ako se dobro sećam. Vidi isprati Boakye-a ovih dana, jer kapiram da će krenuti da skrnave članak. A ja ću verovatno da se prijavim za vraćača uskoro, jer mi je gospodin pun ovih koji bi sve da "ulepšavaju". Lotom (talk) 10:40, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Slobodno ga izbaci gde god sam ga pogresno onda ubacio. Boacija sam vec bio poceo da pratim i revertujem, ali uzaludno, ne znam otkuda toliko brizih IP editora koji sa tolikom voljom ga brzo salju u Kinu i vade iz Zvezdine postave cak i pre ozvanicenja transfera. Ali prati cu da mu barem ne upropaste clanak. Video sam takodje da se onaj lik koji "ulepsava" infoboxove tako sto vadi pozajmice vratio, je si na njega mislio? FkpCascais (talk) 11:12, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Ma na sve njih zajedno. Čovek je bio u Srbiji, to je evidentno, nego se ja više i ne sećam kada su stigli, a i mrzi me izvore da tražim. Nego gledam samo da bar proknjižimo i ulazne i izlazne transfere, ali koliko fantoma ima među tim igračima, nekada deluje nemoguće. Nestao je i onaj Kinez, štoper iz Lučana, skunuta mu je registracija, a broj 5 je zadužio Petar Jovanović. Lotom (talk) 11:39, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Ma mi smo zemlja nedodjija. Za Novu Godinu sam trebao da se vratim u Beograd za stalno, imao sam vec i stan iznajljen, i u zadnji trenutak se perdomislim. Glavnu prevagu je imao posao koji mi je uleteo ovde gde zivim Cascais, ali i mentalitet ljudi. Ovde svakodnevno imam kontakt sa ljudima iz celog sveta, sto preko raznih bogatih koji ovde zive (engleza, nemaca, amera, holandjana, belgijanaca, italijana, svedjana, pa i rusa i japanaca) sto preko raznih emigranata koji su ovde dosli da rade (brazilaca, angolanaca, ukrajinaca, rumuna, bugara, indusa, pakistanaca, kineza, moldavaca, venecuelanaca, itd.) To je tako jedan zdrav ambijent u kojem domaci portugalci uopste ne vide nista negativno da im zemlja bude preplavljena strancima, oni znaju dobro ko su i sta su i prihvataju dobro sve strance ovde. Zato sam verovatno takav i kakav jesam, branim pre svega sve nase. Meni ovde za prepirke sa drugima sluzi i kada Zvezda ostvaruje uspeh iako sam Partizanovac. Jer kad sam okruzen ljudima iz celog sveta sve nase je moje i ide meni na ruku. A kod nas ne, vidim svakog razlicitog gledaju popreko, stranca gledaju kao opasnost, ne prihvatamo nista drugacije, nikakve promene, zivimo u zatvorenom svetu gde mrzimo i rodjenog brata. Znam ja da je to rezultat i politika koje su nam bile nametnute iz vana decenijama, ali mi ne umemo da se branimo od njih i ispravljamo nepravde, nego nasednemo da se sami zatvorimo i unazadimo. Meni je nekako zelja da barem kroz sport i fudbal da se delovi Srbije upoznaju sa strancima. Ljudi su ljudi, pa cak i zemlje koje su nam politicki neprijatelji imaju dobre ljude. Zelja mi je bila da barem kroz fudbal gro nasih mladih ima kontakte sa razlicitim kulturama. Na neki indirektan nacin to ne samo sto bi ih licno obogatilo nego bi ih ucinilo da vise vole Srbiju, alii u pozitivnom smislu, da shvate da u prepirkama sa strancima treba da branimo sve nase, a ne samo licno ono sto volimo a pljujemo i mrzimo ostalo (Ja se recimo kao Partizanovac i srbin ponosim Zvezdinim uspesima iz 91). Ovi jadni stranci se dovode tek toliko da bi se upisali negde, ali ne vide oni lopte uopste. Treneri nam ne znaju da rade uopste sa njima, gledaju ih kao problem koji bi mogao da obelodani njihovu limitaciju u znanju drugih jezika i sporazumevanju, pa ih odstrane u startu. Sitnicarsko razmisljanje, seosko (u negativnom smislu), jebes ga tesko je braniti nasu zemlju kad je puna takvih budala limitiranog dostignuca. FkpCascais (talk) 12:03, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Zans verovatno da nisam uopste za to da ljubimo bulju strancu samo zato sto je stranac. Uvek se setim kad sam kao mali isao u nasu kucu na moru blizu DUbrovnika i gledao tamosnje zitelje kako su se uvlacili stranim tuistima kao neki bednici i usput im objasnjavali kako je ono Kroacija i kako su oni izmislili kravatu i kako su fini (a ono bosonogi mladici u jadnoj majcici i oni nesto o kravati jaaaooo), to mi je uvek bilo bedno, ali mi smo ponosan narod koji bas nismo takvi da se uvlacimo drugima, ali ne treba ni da mrzimo niti da se zatvaramo, nego bas treba da se ucimo da zdravo zivimo u ovom globalizovanom svetu. FkpCascais (talk) 12:12, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

@Lotom: Onaj kamerunac Ferdinand Fru Fon je izgleda potpisao za Javor a otisao u Temnic na pozajmicu. FkpCascais (talk) 13:27, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Od letos je on u Temniću, tako da ne verujem. U papirima se vodi da je uzeo pristupnicu direktno iz Kameruna, po članu 30/10 (za igrače koji stižu iz inostranstva). Jedino ako ne izmuljaju nešto kao Zvezda i OFK sa Aučom, s tim što je njemu kasnila viza, pa je pristupio direktno OFK-i i sa zvezdom papirološki veze nije imao. Lotom (talk) 13:51, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
U ovom fudbalu 9 čak i ne stoji za Artemčuka da je pozajmica u pitanju, jer obično bude naglašen period na koji ostaje u tom slučaju. Bora je verovatno bolje upućen, a pošto je on dodao na listu, verujem da je tako. Lotom (talk) 19:32, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Taj Dinamo ima obicaj da salje klince na kaljenje pa je verovatno to i njegov slucaj, ali bilo bi dobro da imamo izvor za pazajmicu. FkpCascais (talk) 20:33, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Na sajtu Borca stoji da je domaći. Uostalom, nekoliko puta se vraćao u BL, pa mi se nekako čini da je otuda. Stvarno nisam siguran gde je tačno rođen, ali srpski pasoš ima sigurno. Lotom (talk) 18:41, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Skoro sam siguran da je za vreme kad je bio u Borcu pisalo da je rodjen negde u Bosni, ali sad vidim svugde pise da je iz Beograda... Jebi ga... Sigurno ima oba drzavljanstva. Ja u tim slucajevima dajem predost prvoj nacionalnosti mestu rodjenja. Jer vecina srba iz Bosne iako sa nasim pasosem kad tad se vrate da igraju u Bosni, pa da ne ispada da je igrac iz Srbije dosao u Bosnu, negoseu stvari vratio u Bosnu i tamo je domaci a ne stranac. Moji su srbi iz Sarajeva, jebes ga, ako zele da im prva nacionalnost bude Srbija neka se bore za nezavisnost i pripajanje Srbiji a ne ovako fiktivno da budu "iz Srbije" a stvarno nisu. Hocete srpsku zastavu? Bori te se da zaista bude to Srbija. Mislim, borili su se i te kako, ali sad fali glavna bitka. FkpCascais (talk) 20:36, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

List of foreign footballers in top leagues of former Yugoslavia[edit]

Do not write things like "jebote" or "ne mesaj mi se", see WP:OWN, you do not "own" this article even if you have contributed 99,99% of the content here, I just used a short common names which are also used in other articles (like UEFA competitions), if there is no more than one club with the same name, there is no need to write the town names as well.

PS: This article should not even exist in the first place, we do not have a "List of footballers in top Soviet leagues" either. There is already an article for foreign players in Serbia, and the same should be done with other countries, while this article should left the word "former" in the title and list only players from 1946-1992, the article is already too large and will need to be split like that soon anyway.

Oh, and just in case you dont know, you can use a word replacer tool (click) and than simply type in [[FK Partizan|Partizan]] and replace it with [[Partizan Belgrade]], click "Replace all" and thats it, do not manually replace everything. Snowflake91 (talk) 16:32, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

I know WP:OWN... Did you ever thought how much digging I had to do when I created the article? A decade ago there was hardly informaion about past seasons of most of those leagues. Not to mention pre-1941 period. I spent years going trough books and lists searching info. Obviously I have a special connection to that list, I worked hard on it. I made some things the way they are for a reason. Adding a city name is allways a plus for divulgation around globe of the teams and its city, and often is a common name in English in media. Anyway, majority of clubs were named in a way a city makes a disabiguation factor. Many Radnicki´s, many Mladost´s, Rudar´s, etc. I know by now the list is conroversial, but editors from WP:FOOTY are long time aware of it and have let it be. If we charge it too much unecessarily like fixing rediects, it may become too havy and thus subject to deletion. I could have obviously made the links, but that is why I left redirects.
Anoyther thing is that you can make separate lists for each country if you want. I made it for Serbia. The thing of this list is that excludes all formr-Yugoslav players that are majority of foreigners in each league. Initially it was sort of a way for comparison which league imports "real" foreigners fom where. If ends up deleted some day, I will cetainly keep on updating it in a sandbox cause I use it statistically.
Hey, dont get me wrong fot the harsh words, I am having a hard day in my pesonal life. I apologise. I noteced you are one great editor. I count on you for the future, this project needed a person like you. Thanks for the tip, I didnt knew the "replace botton". FkpCascais (talk) 16:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
How are those years determined? For example, why does Leonardo Sigali has 2014-2018 and not 2014-2017? Same with Everton Luiz, Florentin Matei, Lucas Goiano etc.? If a player switched clubs in January, how should be written then? Like Alexandru Crețu, which formatting should be used?
Olimpija Ljubljana 2016–2017, Maribor 2017–present, or
Olimpija Ljubljana 2016–2018, Maribor 2017–present, or
Olimpija Ljubljana 2016–2018, Maribor 2018–present

Snowflake91 (talk) 17:41, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Its explained on top. It says 2016–2018 because that way it is indicated that the player played in the seasons 2016–17 and 2017–18. If we put 2016–17 that would suggest he just played that season. The years indicate the seasons, not calendar years. FkpCascais (talk) 20:14, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Arton Zekaj to FK Sopot Beograd[edit]

How is the issue of Arton Zekaj at FK Sopot Beograd is it transferred or out on loan from Partizani? Endritoxi (talk) 23:32, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

@Endritoxi: Its Partizan, not Partizani... I dont know, he was not with Sopot this first half of the season. See Sopot squad. Trasfermarkt says he was transfered now during winter-break. But we dont have that transfer or loan confirmed yet by the Serbian Federation. All official trasfers and loans arepublished by Serbian FA and editors add them right away at List of Serbian football transfers winter 2017–18. So cant tell you much for now. FkpCascais (talk) 22:43, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Milan Borjan's country of birth[edit]


Long time no talk.

There seems to be an edit war going on over Milan Borjan's place of birth! I tried fixing this multiple times but numerous editors under their IP address or under throwaway troll accounts keep reverting my edits! His place of birth should read as it was when he was born.

What do we do? Help!

Sve najbolje.

Tempo21 (talk) 02:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tempo! Yes, idiots indeed. I hve to go to sleep now, if they continue the best way is to ask for protection of the page to some admin. FkpCascais (talk) 03:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Cascais! Kako si ti inače? Tempo21 (talk) 01:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Personal attacks[edit]

Please do not make personal attacks against other editors in edit summaries like you did here. Such comments do nothing to improve the encyclopedia and merely make it more likely that the situation escalates.Nigel Ish (talk) 17:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

And I am a jerk (and not a jeark) for requesting sources? Can you please clarify?--Jetstreamer Talk 17:57, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I called you a jerk cause it is not the first time you make silly reverts. As if I am vandalizing the article or something. This revert of yours in particular was silly because not only the sentence, but the entire paragraph was unsourced. So basically for you, the entire unsourced paragraph (and many other equally unsourced paragraphs in that article) are OK, but my addition of three words, which mention well known fact for familiarised ones, is a problem? Do you understand that for the airline, the economic sanctions imposed to Yugoslavia which included a no-fly zone were much more of a problem that the war itself? Did you stopped for a moment to think about it, to think that maybe my adition is correct, or you just think I am a jerk that added bullshit and you pretend to be the savior of WIkipedia by reverting me? Yes, because your revert basically calls me a jerk. As if I added something huge and controversial, but not, I just completed a sentence of an already unsourced paragraph... FkpCascais (talk) 19:52, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
You should re-read WP:VERIFY. The lack of sources is not an endorsement for you to add more unreferenced claims.--Jetstreamer Talk 13:35, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
OK, but we must also be reasonable and use good sense. Both of us are veteran editors, and if I saw you making a minor change or adition, despite unsourced, I would assume you are doing it to improve the article or to make clearer the information, and not the opposite. There are ways like adding an unsourced tag for instance. I usually never revert in that kind of situation unless it is a controversial edit or an edit with a large adition of content. But when unsourced content is improved by minor edit, seems reasoable either to tag it all as unsourced or let it be for now.
I have been wanting to expanded that issue in Balkan article for long, and I obviously didnt done it yet because I havent got time to gather sources about it and I will not add it unsourced. The issue is interesting for airline enthusiasts because Bulgarian airliners faced a particular situation during the 1990s. Due to its geographical position, most of Bulgarian airliners had its flights going over former Yugoslavia which stayed as a huge block on its Western border. Since most of its flights were directed Westernwods towards Central and Western Europe, the economic sanctions imposed to Yugoslavia which included no-flight zone over entire former Yugoslavia, became a major obstacle for the routes since all used to fly directly over Yugoslavia cause it was the natural straight-line path. Flights from and to Bulgaria had to go around former Yugoslavia making them to have to fly much longer paths. That obviously affected the costs of the flights, thus its competitivness as well. The sanctions lasted for much of the 1990s and affected greatly Bulgarian and other airlines. The sanctions were the major cause of crisis, and not the war in Yugoslavia by itself. On the other part, the war even had one positive aspect for Bulgarian airlines, although again linked more with the sanctions than the war. Since the sanctions forbitten Yugoslav airliners to fly abroad (actually forbitten only airliners from Serbia and Montenegro), companies like JAT were put almost out of bussiness. Yugoslavia and Serbia were a major regional market, people used to travel both for hollydays and as emigration. Once JAT, which previously had a quite large fleet and flew to 5 continents (included Sydney, Bangkok, Beijing, Delhy, Johannesbough, New York, Chicago, Montreal, etc. besides all major European, Mediterranean and Middle East destinations) was left with its fleet parked and flying only domestic routes (insignificant ineconomic dimention for the company) people flying from or to Serbia had to travel by car, train or bus usually for Sofia, or eventually to Budapest or Thessaloniki in order to fly to their destination. So Balkan and other Bulgarian airliners despite the problem caused by the no-fly zone over Yugoslavia, on the other side had a significant influx of passangers which otherwise were not their customers. Millions of Serbs and Albanians from Kosovo (a significant revenue comes from them cause they have large communities in the emigration that travel yearly back to Kosovo for hollydays) became forcebly Balkan´s custommers. This two aspects are interessting, peculiar in airline industry, and worth mention in my view. I hope I will find some time soon to gather sources on this and add this subject in Wikipedia articles. FkpCascais (talk) 14:23, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Andreja Damjanov[edit]

Hi FkpCascais. At his own time there was no Macedonian identity in the region of Macedonia. The national awakening of the Macedonians can be said to have begun in the late 19th century; this is the time of the first expressions of ethnic nationalism by limited groups of intellectuals in Belgrade, Sofia and St. Petersburg. Please could yo provide a reliable source confirming your statement. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 17:23, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I am looking the sources. Basically all I see is that Bulgarians claim him Bulgarian while Macedonians claim him Macedonian. My intention was not bad in the sense that mentioning both would probably seem reasonable. FkpCascais (talk) 17:30, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I am having difficulties in finding English-language sources that wouldnt be neither Macedonian nor Bulgarian. I found this one, which says: "Its chef architect was a famous Macedonian architect and zograph Andreja Damjanov". OK, you can claim Serbian source may favour the Macedonian side, we can have it as weak but neither we should totally disregard it, it is the official website of a cultural institution. FkpCascais (talk) 17:36, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Some sources such as Balkanologie, in French, skip labeling him at all. FkpCascais (talk) 17:42, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
This souce for instance, from Russian and East European studies, also avoids labeling him and just presents him as "The protomaster was Andreja Damjanov from Veles who, ...". I have a question for you @Jingiby:, how are you sure he had Bulgarian citizenship, and, are you sure he didn´t possesed a Serbian one? FkpCascais (talk) 17:48, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I am shure there is a difference between identity and citizenship. More, at his time, there was no Bulgarian citizenship, neither Macedonian identity. Jingiby (talk) 18:30, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I asked that because in the infobox it says "Nationality: Ottoman/Bulgarian". What sources we have for it? FkpCascais (talk) 18:42, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Nationality has 2 meanings: - 1. citizenship and 2. ethnic group. Maybe it means he was a Bulgarian with Ottoman citizenship. Jingiby (talk) 19:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
In fact it is impossible Damyanov was a Macedonian. "The construction of the Macedonian identity started sometime around the very end of the 19th century when the first attempts at expressing Macedonian national identity were made. During that time a very small, yet very active, number of intellectuals in Thessaloniki, Belgrade, Sofia and St. Petersburg laid the foundations “of the process of ‘imagining’ a Macedonian national community, the beginning of the construction of a Macedonian national identity and culture” (Danforth, 1995:56)". If there are no evidences Damyanov was a part from those very small groups,(I am shure he was not, because he died in 1878) we must remove this statement from the lede of this article. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 19:52, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
You are pushing the idea that Slavic Macedonians are Bulgarians. I have no doubts that you, just as the vast majority of Bulgarians, are convinced that way. Maybe you are right, maybe not, but that issue is at least controversial. You know people in Balkans are basically what they are convinced they are. Same person can be Simeonovic, Simeonov or Simonovski and say he is Serbian, Macedonia, Bulgarian, or even Montenegrin or Bosnian. The thing here is to find proper wording that would reflect what sources say and make the article stable. I think you are pushing the Bulgarian side (not an acusation but just saying a fact) and that will make eternal objections on behalve of Macedonians. There are more Bulgarian active registered editors than Macedonian, so your version is more probable to stay and be challenged from time to time, but that doesnt make your edits right per se. FkpCascais (talk) 21:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Anyway FkpCascais, that idea is not mine, and for a long period this people were called and self-identified as Bulgarians. We can not just push the present-day Macedonian reality into the past. If you don't provide a reliable source supporting changes, you have made, they are just a personal view and I am sorry, but they will be removed. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 03:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
FkpCascais, please stop POV-pushing, I do not understand you. Just read the following opinion of professional historian as John Van Antwerp Fine Jr., who is expert of Balkan and Byzantine history at the University of Michigan: "Until the late 19th century both outside observers and those Bulgaro-Macedonians who had an ethnic consciousness believed that their group, which is now two separate nationalities, comprised a single people, the Bulgarians. Thus the reader should ignore references to ethnic Macedonians in the Middle ages which appear in some modern works. In the Middle ages and into the 19th century, the term ‘Macedonian’ was used entirely in reference to a geographical region. anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could be called a Macedonian...Nevertheless, the absence of a national consciousness in the past is no grounds to reject the Macedonians as a nationality today." "The Early Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Sixth to the Late Twelfth Century," John Van Antwerp Fine, University of Michigan Press, 1991, ISBN 0472081497, pp. 36–37. Jingiby (talk) 06:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Jingiby, the one pushig POV here is you. Find sources to back your edits or otherwise step back. WP:SYNTH is not allowed. FkpCascais (talk) 08:44, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

The Holy Serbian Doctrine[edit]

I saw that you reviewed the page [33]. There are clear examples of racism and chauvinism towards one group of people (there Serbs). Just to quote: "The entire Serbian state policy since 1884 was a criminal policy against all other nations, especially to the Albanian, was an ethnocide, and can not purify state or intellectual conscience without publishing all those criminal projects and without especially asking the Albanian people for forgiveness publicly..." "It was not Milosevic who raised the national feelings for a Greater Serbia serving as a food. The cause of the bad in the Balkans has been Serbian nationalism. Nationalism in Serbia existed before Milosevic and will exist even after Milosevic. There is no difference between politicians and intellectuals and the church from Milosevic. To think differently is a big mistake. The Serbian pansllavistic policy for the extermination of Albanians ... has existed since the compilation ofNačertanje in 1844." Sources nowhere, usage of strong non-encyclopedic language, calling the whole state criminal etc...

I know that you are better than me in knowledge of rules in Wikipedia, especially the topics of vandalism and I think that you should examine this case and report it as vandalism. I don't know if this is appropriate to talk on the your Talk page, so you can delete this section if it isn't. James Jim Moriarty (talk) 13:12, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Technically, he defends himself by saying he is just translating the text from Albanian Wikipedia. You are right in your assessment of the article, its pure speach of hate against Serbs. They are used to be reworded when doing it, so that is why he sees nothing wrong with it. The worst is that they did this troughout history. I feel sorry for the moderate Kosovo Albanians who were honest workers within Yugoslav and Serbian sistem and they suffered immensly (including murders) on behalve of radicals which labeled them as traitors. Once radicals had all support, they made entire nation of theirs speak and think like Hakuli does. Its their cause. That is why he is perplex and doesnt understand what is he doing wrong since all life he was reworded to use all means to promote their propaganda. I think for now we dont have enough to make him be sanctioned, he will cry how he is doing nothing intentionally wrong, and he may end up worned, the work of making the report and then patience explaining the things to others doesnt compensate the effort. At least not yet... Lets let him work freely for now and he will most certainly shoot in the foot soon. FkpCascais (talk) 13:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
I agree with you. I think that actions of chauvinism or promoting ultra-nationalism can just put the shame on the one who did it. As for the extremism and radical groups, it is a shame to support the groups which murdered a lot of your own compatriots. As for the page and the author, he will continue to do this if he isn't properly warned, because he doesn't pay attention on any of the reverts or responses of other users. He showed a great level of non-cooperativeness in other pages, as you have already seen. If he was warned and but continue to do that - he will be sanctioned for sure, so I think it is a good thing to report him. Translation or not, it is a page "created" ("translated") and managed by him too, and he did nothing to improve it or allow the others to do that. As for the article itself, except for the open insults which are examples of racism and hate-speech towards one country and its people, it is totally in a non-encyclopedic spirit and does not follows the rules of writing or basic methodology and completely lacks of objectivity. For example, it uses references for some claims and when you open the source at that page you find nothing about that claim - it isn't even a source for that. An concrete example is the one about Ilija Garashanin and his alleged publication of the article dealing with "The disappearance of the Albanians". When you open the source for that, you find that it is the book by German author about the Albanians and their history, but when you type to find the claim from the article, you find nothing. On the referenced page, 232, you find just the list of the verbs used in the books with the verb for disappearance, but no mention of the claim used in the article at all. Almost like someone is making fun of the method of using a references. As for the rest, not to mention that almost 90% of the page is unreferenced, and when I tagged the sections which are unreferenced and with the tags for more explanation, he just removed them and added his thoughts of the topic on the page as the page is his own media or website, not the article on Wikipedia. So it is a good think that the article is being considered for deletion .I think that it needs a speed delete. Also, to warn - he deleted the tags from the beginning of the page [34]. James Jim Moriarty (talk) 14:22, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Also forgot the main point - the Doctrine itself doesn't exists and is not found in any literature and sources. Also it directly contradicts the actual historical events which are described in majority of the literature which deals with the topics. For example, there was no colonization of Kosovo by Serbs in 1885, nor it was actually possible given the circumstances in that time there. But in that time there was direct depopulation and cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo, who were leaving, because of the violence and robberies done by Albanian pashas and others who supported the Ottomans. James Jim Moriarty (talk) 15:07, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
The article will end up deleted for sure. Lets see what he does next. I appreciate a lot your involvment and concerns. We Serbs are actually used that others do whatever they want and no one cares. In this case he is so blatantly biased that no one dares to support him, but there were many other instances when people behave similarly as Hakuli, but a bit smarter, it usually gets the support of all other anti-Serb supporters and becomes extremelly hard to demonstrate their bias cause other neutral editors simply dont care enough. Usually other editors just say "Hey, but werent you Serbs the bad guys anyway?" If you say "no" they allways have some propagandistic 1990s and 2000s reports and books where there is cover up for all anti-Serb policy, so ends up being really hard for Serbs to get some objectivness and neutrality. Another important aspect is that many of the politicians which headed the anti-Serb policy are still holding positions, so the cover-up goes on. Locals are still backed-up to keep on the "good guy/bad guy" rethoric while Serbs are forced for 2 decades already to accept they are guilt. I am not saying Serbs were saints, if you notece hardly any Serbian editor will ever oppose any objective editing even if unfavourable. But needs to be objective. Things need to be analised in proper context. About Albanians, the problem is that Serbs were promissed access to sea. While Vatican made continuos efforts to Croatisize Dalmatia and the Western powers allways supported the de-Serbianisation of Montenegro (despite all, Montenegro declared its union with Serbia in 1918), Serbia turned to the areas of Albanian littoral instead. Serbia did sent troops and occupied almost entire Albania in 1913, but the goal was not to exterminate Albanians, but rather to assimilate them. Albanian modern historiography is very much politisized. Albanians in Middle Ages sided with Serbs as one of their subgroups. Exemple, Scanderbeg, the major Albanian hero turned into national symbol, he came from a Serbian family and fought Turks along other Serbian armies. In Middle Ages you have no reports of Albanians fighting Serbs simply because Albanians were hardly a coherent group, and many had no problems in being part of Serbian nobility and sub-classes. However, everything changes by 19 century. Western powers se in growing Serbia a potential Russian ally and as such a danger. The entire region of Balkans is very much divided into klans geographically separated one fom another because of rough geography. The klans were very much used to act in their own or form alliances, depending on the need of the moment. When Serbia regained independence and was rebuilding its state that had lost to Ottomans, it had sort of paper as Piedmont had in uniting Italy. However, by being Christian Ofthodox and Slav, Vatican feared to have on its vicinity a big potentially Russian-allied nation right across the Adriatic sea. So it started a policy of de-Serbianising as much territory as they could. Special atention was given to the littoral in order to prevent Serbia to have access to the sea and prevent that way possible safe-heavens for Russian Navy in Mediteranean sea. So, Dalmatia was Croatisized (although Dalmatia sent an ultimatum 1918 saying it would unite with Serbia if Croatia was not to enter Yugoslavia), Montenegro was de-Serbianised, and finally, Albania, created. What many dont know is that many Albanians and Serbs share commun heritage. For instance, Emra Tahirović is a fine exemple on how people can turn Serbian/Albanian/Bosnian by just altering a bit its surname. Anyway, Great Powers did what they wanted and Serbia was denied access to sea. Instead it was given territories in the Vardar valley (Macedonia), part promissed to Bulgaria, thus creating tension between two Slavic Orthodox allies, what a smart move, 2 in 1!!! Once Albanian nation was created basically from scratch, they lived pretty much in poverty and isolation and they had the highest reproduction rate in all Europe. Ethnic Albanians did in fact lived in Kosovo, but landlords were mostly Serbian employing them. Time was passing by and Serbs having one or two kids, most emigrating to cities in Serbia to study or work, ended up leaving the landloards with scarse manpower, Albanians on other hand, having often more than 10 kids, were providing this working force. By second half of 20 century, Albanians lived way better in Kosovo than in Albania itself, so besides their highest reproduction rate in Europe, there was much emigration from Albania itself. Contrary to beleafs, Kosovar Albanians had in Kosovo what many consider the minority with most rights ever. They had their universities, schools, medical care... even communist governament took and nationalised Serbian landlords land and gave it to "local communities" (Albanians most as you may figure for all reeasons mentioned). Just as note, Tito (a Crotian-Slovenian) created Kosovo province as way to make Albania join Yugoslavia with the promise that if they join, Serbian province of Kosovo will be anexed to them). So, here we come to a situation where all circunstances make Albanians demand more and more. Once they saw Yugoslav federation starting to break-up, their goal became separation from Serbia. My family were friends with some Kosovar-Albanian influent families (embassadors of SFRY) and even young I heard in firs-hand how much pessure they were experiencing by being loyal to Serbia and Yugoslavia. Albanian radicals demanded all to express their suffering under federal rule, why that was not truth at all. People who worked and lived normally within Yugoslavia were considered traitors, and if they insisted even murders happened in order to intimidate the others not doing what they wanted them to do. This Kosovo-Albanian diplomat who lived just fine in Yugoslavia and didnt supporteed the radicals tactics ended up murdered in the 1980s. ... This is already a too long text... I could go on and on, but I hope you can see the roots of the problem here. FkpCascais (talk) 15:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Lets see how Haluki will defend himself at the deletion discussion, I pinged him to comment there. FkpCascais (talk) 16:11, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
It is a long and complex problem of Serbian and Albanian relations and not just them, but also the situation in the Balkans especially after these territories were conquered by Ottoman empire. I think that that conquering by Ottomans is the most influential event in this part of Europe, because it changed everything. It influenced every nation in the Balkans. As for the influence of Austro-Hungarian empire, which wasn't generally friendly towards Serbia before the First World War, well, the whole books were written, not only in Serbia, but some people tend to ignore them, because of their political believes. And Austro-Hungary did played important role in the Balkans, especially in southern Dalmatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, but also on the topics of Albanian relations towards Serbs, but if we start talking this, we will never end because it is a really huge topic and I think that we understand each other on this. I will just say - Treaty of London (1915). As for the main topic of the section - I think that the problems of some users who support that kind of ultra-nationalistic agendas, such as these who propagate some Albanian ultra-nationalistic views, is that they cannot bare the facts which they don't like and when you politely tell them, they accuse you of being some "Serbian nationalist" etc. I am totally against politicizing in history - I see it as science, based on facts and that's what's important. But they don't. If you give them literature in which are mentioned real events in which Serbs are victims, for example, massacre of the Serbs around Radonjic lake by the KLA, responses are sometimes very insulting - that that is a Serbian propaganda etc. Or if you mention that that same KLA murdered a lot of Albanians too, just because they weren't sharing same political ideas as them, they, as you said, just jump with some ex machina literature (mainly journalistic articles from the 90') which doesn't even counter your arguments, but say "Hey, you were the murderers" and continue with their own story and another topic which was already discussed. In short - Irrelevance of the topic and changing the story via not answering to the questions. I mean, if you edit something, explain it, give the sources, if you don't, then something is wrong - simple. People read a lot of things online. That's the reason why such users and pages needs to be monitored. History is science and science is based on facts. Same goes for every other science. If someone doesn't like it, fine, their choice. But to propagate lies as truth even ignoring the fact that the arguments are flawed and to propagate them on some online media (media in wider sense) such as Wikipedia, well, that is deliberate misinformation or propaganda and ravages the rules. I am against that. Not only in this case, the topics dealing with politics and history, but in every topic - from medicine to other. This with the article is just one instance of the problem I mentioned - but problems like these can have consequences if they aren't solved or stopped. As for him, I am expecting the same responses as usual. James Jim Moriarty (talk) 16:42, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

1994 FIFA World Cup qualification Seedings[edit]

I think my revision should stand as Soviet Union (soon to be replaced by CIS/Russia were in Pot 1 and Yugoslavia only in Pot 2, therfore they were the second seed not top. Statto74 (talk) 14:41, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@Statto74: You are right ("In Europe, Italy, England, Spain, Belgium, France and the fractured Soviet Union are the top-seeded teams." source), I apologise, my mistake. FkpCascais (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
@FkpCascais: Not a problem.Statto74 (talk) 14:51, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Location of RFC[edit]

Where is this RFC? --NeilN talk to me 17:49, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Here you go NeilN [35]. I had to open that RfC and call other editors to participate because of Fkp. (talk) 17:57, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
I just read that discussion once again. I really was in attacking mode there, but there was a history before that discussion where I spent months battling Fkp on Serbs of Croatia article. Well Fkp, I hope you agree now that SFRY and FRY are two different countries so there's no dispute between us on Yugoslavia at the Olympics article. That's pretty much a first. Well second if we count the brief discussion about official names of Yugoslav institutions. Two in a short period, we are really coming together. Well apart from you still trying to block me. BDW, it's always funny when I see you accusing other IPs of being Asdisis. I love it. ;) (talk) 22:14, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
I really miss our discussions Fkp. You trying to ban me, me trying to show everyone how you are POV pushing, walls of text, me opening a RfC, staying awake long hours... Ah, good old times. And I still won every RfC I opened against you. Shall we find some topic to discuss so you get a chance to win at least one time? (talk) 22:25, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Vladimir Gaćinović[edit]

Hi Cascais,

Thank you so much for expanding the Vladimir Gaćinović article. I just wanted to take this time to say thank you so much for all of your hard work! Look where things stood in 2008 in terms of Serbian football coverage on Wikipedia and compare it to now! What a difference and it's all due to hard-working editors like yourself!

Sve najbolje,
Tempo21 (talk) 21:55, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh thank you so much, if anyone, it is you who doesnt need to thank as you have been doing such a fine work. Indeed, what we had just a decade ago was so basic, and now at least we completed many areas which were missing back then, and now one can find objective information about our football. There are still aras that need plenty of work, but at least the basics are there. I have been notecing your work and really want to congratulate you, you have been making major contributions in much needed areas. What to say beside that each and every visualization of our articles is a victory. We are much needed in areas where we can contribute with balanse, that is our major role here, and you have been doing it perfectly. I am very greatfull of your recognition, beware that it is a mirror to yourself, you have been doing a great work. Thank you so much, veliki pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 23:35, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
E pa hvala na ovako lepim rečima. Živ bio! Tempo21 (talk) 08:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Marin Becichemo[edit]

As I know that you are familiar with the topic of history in Eastern Europe and Adriatic, I invite you to join the discussion for the article of [36] which is article about Marin Bečić or Marino Becichemo in Latin. The article is about a 15/16th century catholic renaissance humanist, by origin from Slavic Paštrovići tribe (as his last name was Bečić). He was born in Schoder, at that time under Venecian rule, but he spent main part of his life in other Venetian cities such as Padoa where he has written majority of his works in Latin. He probably knew Albanian language because of the fact that Schoder at that time was mixed Albanian-Slavic, but he was a Latin writer and not Albanian one. In the literature - especially in the Italian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian, he is mentioned as Marino Becichemo or Marin Becich or Marin Bečić, but the name of the article is in Albanian. As his only connection to the Albania was he was born in the territory which was called Albania, but taking into account that he was Slavic by origin and writer in Latin, I think that it is appropriate that the name of the article should be Marino Becichemo as he was mentioned in majority of the literature with that name, and not in Albanian Marin Beçikemi as this name is in Albanian. After all, as someone said, this is Wikipedia in English. Same reasons for this you will find on the talk page section of the article in the link I gave you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Jim Moriarty (talkcontribs) 20:11, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

As far as I understand from you intro, his only connection to Albania is that he was born in what is nowadays Albania. FkpCascais (talk) 20:20, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
His father and grandfather lived in Schoder, but the family by origin is not ethnic Albanian and not from Schoder but from Pastrovici tribe which territories are today in Montenegro (approximately from Bar to Budva) and it is mentioned in the sources. As I seen in the literature from Bečić's, they descended from Čevo in Montenegro and in that time left to lower grounds in Zeta and from there went to Paštrovići and settled there. He is from these Bečićs as they were the only Bečićs there in that time, as in sources which I will find and put here if you need them. As for the term "Albanian", territories in Montenegro and Schoder which were under Venice were called "Albania Veneta" so it was a regional name and if he was mentioned as "from Albania" it means really Venetian Albania as a region. He was a writer in Latin and I didn't saw any of his work in Albanian. He was familiar with the Serbian language, not just Albanian (and for this I need to say probably because I didn't saw in the sources that he used them, but it is obvious from these facts) as he befriended some people from Ulcinj, Bar and Dubrovnik. As some people don't like Serbian sources for some reasons known only to them, I added Croatian sources which confirms that and that fact will not be removed from the Article. But, for the name, as some people asked for consensus, I asked other users to see the talk page in order to get to consensus on one very, well, strange fact, that the name of the Article should be not in Albanian language but the one used from English based literature on Wikipedia in English. So, as the discussion will be obvious, before we change that, I think that we should add reasons for this change in the Talk page and when majority agrees, to replace the name to the one in English. James Jim Moriarty (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Except the numerous diverse sources in the article itself in which it that he was a Slavic origin from Paštrovići (and I will find more), that his grandfather was called "Petar/Piero" and that Piero was Venetian diplomat to the Albanians, for example, here is probably mentioned that Piero, and as "Becich" (type crtl+f Piero Becich) - [37] and here [38]. These are only parts of the original source - Adra Acta Albania Veneta from 1443, but it is easy to check in the actual primary source. These are census of the populations of Schoder in 1443, and Marin was born in 1468 so that's why I think that this is his grandfather Petar/Piero, but as it was not explicitly mentioned in the these sources I gave you here, I didn't added it in the text, because it would be OR_SYNT. But it is pretty obvious that this is some of his relatives and the name was written with that Slavic "ich". James Jim Moriarty (talk) 21:02, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Eastern bloc???[edit]

Ko će današnje klince naučiti pravim vrednostima? Odrastanje uz rijaliti programe uz obećanja političara da će živeti bolje za pet, eventualno sto godina. Roditelji decu hrane onim što mogu da stave u svoju potrošačku korpu, a u njoj često nema svega što je deci u razvoju potrebno. Još sad kad su osmišljeni slogani, pa da vidiš kad budemo počeli da se razmnožavamo kao pacovi. A tako ćemo i da se hranimo, uz paštetu i salamu podrigušu. I onda ti imaš situaciju da se interesne grupe organizuju ko će šta da valja, klincima podele zaduženja i teritorije, dok oni međusobno prave dilove i koalicije. Po sistemu "Zavadi pa vladaj!" Škola '90-ih i Arkanovo vreme. Da li sam ja veći Srbin što navijam za Zvezdu, ili ti za Partizan? Daj glave da porazbijamo, pa će se samo ukazati! Oba kluba su nastala '45 i to kao plod KPJ, što znači daleko od toga da nastali uticajem srpske nacionalne ideologije. Klinci se na ulicama kolju noževima, šrafcigerima, mačetama, udaraju će palicama, štanglama, bokserima, lancima... Zarad čega, da li im je majica crne ili crvene boje? Država ne može ništa da preduzme?! Pre bih rekao da neće. Stadioni su leglo kriminala i besa, a najgore od svega je to što imamo "profesionalne navijače". Pravimo vojsku usijanih glava bez kritičkog mišljenja, koja će izvršavati naređenja i raditi u interesu onih koji ne prezaju ni za šta sem za sebe i svoju materijalnu korist. Vikipedija konačno treba da prikazuje objektivno stanje stvari, a ne želju pojednica da tekst "namesti" po svom nahođenju i ličnim zamislima. A liga nam generalo ne liči ni na šta. Koliko puta mi se učinilo da se pojavi tračak nade da neke stvari idu nabolje, a onda se sve srušilo kao kula od karata. Iste situacije uvek se iznova ponavljaju, da sam prestao da verujem da će se nešto promeniti nabolje. Ovaj derbi je Zvezdi verovatno samo potvrdio titulu i sa njene strane bih ocenio kao rutinski dobijen. Đukić, koliko sam pročitao, ima samo jednu pobedu u derbijima kao trener, a igra Partizana mi je izgledala nekako bezidejno. Đerlek mi je još slab za ovakve utakmice, ali mi se Marković sviđa kao igrač. Brz je, dobro čita igru i zna da se postavlja. Ćelavi Miletić podbacio, oba gola pala preko njegove strane. Janković previše luta na terenu. Mislim da vam je leva strana napada najkritičnija, ali i da donekle trpi zbog tandema Ožegović-Tawamba. Suma i kad igra, uglavnom je van pozicije i van forme. Kostur tima nije uopšte toliko loš, ali vidi se da neki igrači igraju u prvoj postavi samo da bi se prodali. Naleto vam predstoji rekonstrukcija tima. Zvezdi će verovatno doći 5-6 igrača minimum, jer će dosta igrača verovatno i da ode. Lotom (talk) 16:39, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Video si, verovatno, da sam ovog malog beka iz Gvatemale otpratio iz Čelareva uz ovaj link. Čelarevo ima dobru bazu i s vremena na vreme izbace po nekog igrača koji se kasnije nadograđuje. Neki od svetlijih primera su Plavšić, Kerkez, Pavkov... Dragan Ivanović je u Čelarevu bio trener preko 10 godina, ja mislim. Međutim, oni igraju amaterski uglavnom i kod njih retko ko ima neku kintu od toga. Oni su uglavnom prolazna stanica i zato i imaš ovakve slučajeve. Dođu tako neki neafirmisani igrači sa strane, pretežno potpuni anonimusi i amateri, pa ako uspeju, svima dobro. Oni došli za dž, klub zaradio na njima, ako ništa, bar u rezultatskom smislu, a oni naprave neku karijeru. Međutim, klubovi na takav način teško mogu da opstanu. Zato oni najčešće razigravaju igrače Voši, Spartaku, ili nekom trećem. Piroćancima su pola omladinskog tima Kinezi, svi su došli zimus, otuda onaj na klupi protiv Jagodine. I to je ono što je meni najbizarnije. Dozvoliš da u omladinskom uzrastu (mlađi opet ne mogu zbog papirne regulative), a zabraniš da seniori imaju više od dva stranca u protokolu. I onda ti dovedi rezervnog golmana iz inostranstva kao Bežanija ove sezone. Metalcu su 2 od tri golmana Crnogorci, ali Zogović ima srpski pasoš, pa ne popunjava kvotu stranca. Još jedan bizaran primer je Lokomotiva Železnik, gde isto ima brdo stranaca u omladincima, a oni igraju Srpsku Ligu gde je potpuna restrikcija za igrače bez srpskog pasoša. Ali dosta tih stranaca iz Prve Lige nestane sa mape nakon odlaska iz Srbije. Retki su primeri, čast izuzecima poput Ezea koji pređu u viši rang, ili klub sa boljim statusom. Ima tu i onih koji su potpuno izgubljeni u prostoru i dok ukapiraju šta je levo, a šta desno, prođe 3 meseca. Rezultati ne trpe eksperimente, a i nema mnogo trenera koji su spremni da formiraju igrače, bilo da su domaći, ili strani. A kvalitetan stranac košta. Ja lično mislim da je za Sumu kriv Đukić. Čovek mu je tek 2-3 puta dao slobodu na prirodnoj poziciji i uglavnom ga gurao na krilo. Srpska liga je prava stvar za razigravanje i adaptaciju ovih nesnađenih, koji imaju talenat, ali im treba period adaptacije na sredinu. Moglo bi u ono pravilo o bonus igračima da se ugura i to. Da možeš da imaš npr. jednog na terenu i jednog na klupi, recimo. Ionako mnogo klubova ne može da skrpi dva bonusa za postavu. Hrvati su to mnogo bolje regulisali, čini mi se. Mi kao hoćemo profesionalizam, da idemo u korak sa svetom, a stalno uvodimo neke zabrane i ograničenja. Lotom (talk) 17:22, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Pa to je ono upravo protiv cega se najvise borim, protiv ljudi tog mentaliteta ogranicavanja! Mrzim ih do besvesti jer nam vuku fudbal a i celokupno drustvo u dno bunara sa tim mentalitetom. A najvise me nervira kada taj mentalitet jos predstavljaju kao patriotski! Grupa primitivnih trenera i ljudi koji se plase i sopstvene senke a kamoli stranca, ti ljudi teba da se povuku u rupu gde im je mesto, a ne da oni jos i diktiraju sta i kako! Ni ne moras ti da znas ikakve jezike, moras samo da znas da komuniciras i da budes otvoren covek, i sve ceh ih razumeti. Samo ljudi ogranicenog kapaciteta uvode ogranicavanja i zabrane, jer se oni u stvari ne snalaze pa da oni zabrane i drugima da i druge nateraju u limitacije koje oni u stvari imaju. Vecno cu se boriti protiv tih oganicenih ljudi koji ceo nas fudbal guraju u ponor samo da oni nebi izgubili mesto i u stvari pali u amaterizam koji je realno njihovo maksimalno dostignuce. Koncept i mentalitet ljudi iz Celareva zasluzuje najvece pohvale. Ljudi koji rade sa ljubavlju prema sportu, koji iskeno se bave fudbalom bz licnih interesa, koji pritom nasoj omladini pruzaju priliku da se druze sa ljudima iz celog sveta u jednom zdravom ambijentu. Nisu oni ni forsirali strance, malo ko je zaigrao uopste, samo su pruzili priliku svima da se dokazu pa neka igraju najbolji, mada je ludacko oganicenje na samo 2 stranca sigurno imalo fekta na odluke sklapanja tima. Kumulus svega je to sto kazes da je Celarevo sredina koja je dala brojne igrace. Potvrdjuje tezu da imati otvorerena vrata strancima samo cini da domaci shvate da nemaju privilegije i da se trude maksimalno da se izbore za mesto u timu. Ja bi licno ukinuo bilo kakvo ogranicenje i igrali bi klubovi sa timovima formiranim sa igracima najboljim sto mogu da imaju ma odakle bili. To bi na duze staze imalo nevidjen pozitivan efekat na domace igrace koji ne bi lenjcarili na terenu znajuci da im je tata zagarantovao mesto u timu jer je pozvao trenera na slavu, niti bi imali savez da ih stiti od konkurerncije, nego bi morali vec kod nas da daju maksimum i boe se za mesto isto kao sto vani to cine! Glavni neprijatelji naseg fudbala i koji su nam srozali fudbal na najnize grane upravo jesu ti lazni patriote koji paiotsko nemaju nista, nego samo svoje dupe gledaju da spasu jer uvereni u svoje licne limitacije, naredjuju te limitacije celoj nam zemlji. PS: Suma se nadavao golova pre nego sto je kod nas dosao, jasno je kao dan da je trener taj koji ne ume njegove kapacitete da iskoristi. FkpCascais (talk) 17:54, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Postoji organizovana hajka na strance, primeti ovde u komnetarima kako lik koji se potpisuje kao Radmilo Mihajlovic, pa Marko Petrovic, i bezbroj drugih nikova koje koristi da bi delovao kao da je masa koja tako razmislja, redovno, ali redovno, pljuje strance na vestima, i ima ga na svim potalima, potkupljen covek koji pise namerno sto pise pod instrukcijama ljudi poput Binica koji videci da nemaju kapacitet da se prilagode modernom fudbalu, sve cine da nas fudbal drze u primitivizmu maka znacilo i unistenje naseg fudbala, ali samo da oni ne izgube mesto. FkpCascais (talk) 18:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Brate, ukoliko se ovakva praksa nastavi, moraću da iscimam administratore da nam zaštite sve reprezentatice, bar tokom SP-a. Ovaj lik, izgleda, povremeno ide i skida igračima mlađe selekcije, slično kao onaj drugi pozajmice igračima. Stvarno ne mogu da shvatim takve ljude. Razumem da ne postoje izvori, ali sam bar kod Radonjića sve lepo složio. Žalosno je čime se neki bave. Inače, videh da si skoro uređivao Rakovicu, možda bi trebalo da je preimenujemo. Izbačeno je "Industrija Motora" iz imena, tako da je ostalo samo ime opštine u nazivu kluba. Podatak je sa sednice održane 3. 2. 2017, koji je objavljen u "Fudbalu" 6/17, na strani 146. Lotom (talk) 10:10, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Taj odavno brise mlade reprezentacije, valjda misli da treba da bude samo najvislja u kojoj je igrac igrao a ostale brise, sto je debilizam. Rakovicu sam dirao jer sam video da imaju svoj sajt a nisam znao. Promeni slobodno ime, hoces ja da ga promenim? FkpCascais (talk) 11:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Ma svejedno je. Ne mogu da se zezam oko strane, jer je klica, mnogo toga treba da se sredi, a oni ispadaju i iz zone. Ubacio sam informacije na, pošto ima dosta teksta, pa će valjda neko to malo i da sredi uskoro. Bitno je da su zakačeni izvori. Lotom (talk) 11:38, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Koja katastrofa jucerasnja utakmica protiv Cilea -_- Vracamo se na bezidejnu igru i nula postignutih golova. Nemam nikakva ocekivanja za mondijal, stavise bojim se da ce mo biti zadnji. Jedino sto me raduje ovog leta je da se ostvare dolasci Marina i Rikarda Gomesa u nas fudbal... FkpCascais (talk) 11:51, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Ja ne znam ni koliko ću stići da pogledam. Počinju mi ispiti za manje od nedelju dana, pa ću verovatno tokom nekih tekmi biti na faksu. Ali ovo sinoć mi se nimalo nije dopalo. Bilo je možda nekih pola sata solidne igre tokom 2. poluvremena i ništa više od toga. Sumnjam da je Krstajić u svakom trenutku svestan šta radi, jer bi video ogromne nedostatke u igri. Ja bih i sa bodom iz grupe bio zadovoljan, uz ovakvu igru. Ostaje mi da se nadam da će pozitivno da me iznenade. Deluje mi da će SMS-u biti potrebno neko vreme da se uklopi u ekipu, a bez Tadića nema smisla ni da igramo, jer jedino nam on stvara šanse. Saglasan sam sa analizom mocarta, što se tiče Radonjića i Blekija. Živkovića nisam video sinoć, a ni Milivojević/Matić se baš nisu naigrali. Grujić ne tako loš, mada nisam ubeđen koliko je spreman za SP. Mislim da je za Gaćinovića moralo da se napravi mesto, ali ne pitam se ja. Voleo bih i ja da se realizuju ti dolasci, ali je pitanje koliko je to realno, posebno za Marina. Zvezda će baš morati da se otvori, ako misli da ga dovede i to eventualno na pozajmicu, što Olimpijakosu ne odgovara. Opet, kupovina je rizik, posebno dati milion ili više, plus plata. (Suma je okarakterisan kao promašaj). Nije mlad da možeš da ga prodaš za neke veće pare, a ako ne ostvariš zacrtano, onda si u kanalu. Naši klubovi nemaju kintu, a mnogo je razloga koji su ih doveli do toga. Mene najviše plaši to što nemamo skaute, nego menadžer ovaj, menadžer onaj, preporučio. I tu se stiže do priče o vezama i talovima. Poslednjih par godina, koga gleda Zvezda, dovede ga Partizan i obrnuto. Lotom (talk) 12:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Ja sam ubedjen da ce te uspeti da dovedete Marina. Terzic je pametan covek, ne bi vas lozio ovoliko da tu nema stvarno mogucnosti. Svojevremeno je Marin dignut u nebesa i precenjen, a sada dozivljava drugu stranu u kojoj je podcenjen, pa je najbolji trenutak da se dovede jer ima tek napunjenih 29. godina i moze on jos da odigra dobrih 3-4 sezone (mozda i najboljih u karijeri ako se potrudi). Mislim da bi ste sa njim dobili dosta postovanja i ugleda u Evropi. Soldana ne poznajem, ne znam sta da mislim. Lik je zaista zacenjen 4,5m funti (!!!) a ima samo 23 godine. Jedino me brine sto nema nikoga da mu pomogne u prilagodjavanju, bojim se da ce se osecati usamljeno. Bilo bi dobro kad bi bio tu neko poput Ibaneza da bude sa njim i da mu objasnjava sve. Ali imate sansu da napravite jedan veoma dobar tim, ja bih iskreno veoma voleo da tako bude i da imate jednu veoma uspesnu sezonu u LS.
Sto se mog Partizana tice, problem je sto Djukic ne dozvoljava Sumi da igra kreativca. Neverovatno je da su nasi treneri (pa cak i Djukic koji sam mislio da ce biti drugaciji) kukavice koji ne smeju da rizikuju i oslobode kreativne igrace. Mislim na to da nasi treneri se drze konzervativnog stila u kojem sve igrace zaduzuju u odbrambene zadatke a ne pada im na pamet da oslobode barem jednog igaca i daju mu slobodu kretanja. Sama nasa publika je cesto kriticna takvim potezima (recimo Evandro je kritikovan bio, ili onaj masa idiot rasista sa komentara je ubedjivao sve da je Kanga rekreativac), ali to je dobro za tim, to je nacin da oni rese utakmice tipa Kangin gol na Marakani protiv Krasnodara. Suma bi trebao da ima tu slobodu, a kod Djukica je on nikako nema. Suma ume sa loptom, daleko je od loseg igraca, ali ne sme da se ogranici njegovo kretanje u zone u kojima njegove karakteristike ne dolaze do izrazaja i sto gore, jos cine od njega ispod proseecnog igraca jer nema visinu niti jacinu. Raduje me da dovodimo ovog Rikarda Gomesa, ti igaci iz Zelenortskih ostrva su zveri, oni su fizicki veoma dobro gradjeni za fudbal, centar tezine im je nizak i to cini da veoma dobro barataju sa loptom, upravo su obrnuto od ovih nasih ogromnih panjeva o koje se lopta odbija a ne umeju ni da je zadrze. Ta ostrva proizvode veoma dobre igrace i nadam se da ce on biti samo prvi od uvoza odande. Vecina njih igra u Portugalu tako da vec dolaze sa sezonama profesionalog fudbala na nogama. FkpCascais (talk) 13:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Pre neki dan sam baš pomislio, da li bi Partizan pristao da proda Sumu Zvezdi, za milion + eventualne bonuse u zavisnosti od rezultata u Evropi, npr? Ja bih pristao i na pozajmicu sa pravom otkupa, možda čak i na klauzulu da ne igra derbi. Mislim, znam da to niko ne bi uradio trenutno, ali mi se nekako čini da zamena za Kangu može da se nađe u komšiluku, kad već Đukiću ne valja. Sada i njega nazivaju rekreativcem, ali je onda pitanje za upravu i sportski sektor Partizana, pre svega, kako je moguće da je toliko plaćen igrač-amater. Pre bih rekao da su oni amateri u svom poslu. Lotom (talk) 13:45, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Ono sinoć je već izgledalo solidno, bar što se napada tiče. Odbrana me malo zabrinjava, ali me raduje da se Milenković fino razvija. Mislim da veza Matić(Milivojević)-SMS zasad igra ispod očekivanja, međutim, verujem da mogu dosta bolje. Treba uzeti u obzir da Bolivija nije baš neka reprezentacija koju treba uzeti kao merilo kvaliteta, posebno uz ono njihovo izdanje od sinoć.
Ovo za Sumu nisam mislio ozbiljno, ne zbog njega, već zbog opšte situacije. Partizan ga sigurno ne bi pustio u Zvezdu, Zvezda neće igrača iz Partizana, niti bi ga platila toliko, a nema ni od čega. Ali da bih ga uzeo, bih. Ni Kangu mnogi nisu trpeli, ali nam je itekako značio. Lotom (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
@Lotom: nisam gledao ovu drugu utakmicu sa Bolivijom, mozda cu sad ako budem mogao odgledati.
Je li znas mozda ko je i kako se pise ovaj Australijanac u Zemunu Endrju Marveđo? FkpCascais (talk) 09:50, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Nasao sam ga: Andrew Marveggio. FkpCascais (talk) 10:03, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
@Lotom: Justas Lasickas je izgleda ostao u Zemunu. Super, barem jos jedan aktivan reprezentativac u nasoj ligi. FkpCascais (talk) 20:43, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


Thanks for seeing sense on Albanians article but I wanted to point out that Bucharest treaty ONLY focused on our (Bulgarian) losses to Greece and Serbia. Albania's existence as independent state occurred as a result of Treaty of London months earlier but still in 1913. Thanks. --Edin Balgarin (talk) 16:42, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it was my mistake, but still the point is the same, best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 13:20, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
You know it is very curious. This was the one part of the unresolved conflict which did not affect us Bulgarians in the least. I just hope the Albanian community do not think I am aligning myself to Greece and Serbia with whom we technically were at conflict ourselves during that same time. If I had it my way, Bulgaria would have attached itself to a united Yugoslavia which included Albanians as a fully functioning integrated people but this is well before my time. --Edin Balgarin (talk) 07:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Cohen, Philip J[edit]


I noticed your edit diff in which you referred to Mr. Philip J. Cohen as Serbophobic dermatologist making harsh claims... who .... can be disregarded as clearly biased. No doubt you know about WP:BLP which applies everywhere on wikipedia, including edit lines. Your comment about any living people as Serbophobic and clearly biased can be perceived as violation of BLP. Please take a very good care of it and next time do not refer to the author but to their work, if you have an intention to present your position about their work being Foophobic and biased. All the best and keep up the good work.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:REDFLAG. A HDZ spokesman without any academic value on the subject he writes about besides being clearly highly appreciated by one side of the dispute, has hardly any reliability in regard the extraordinary biased claimes he makes. Those clearly need to be confirmed by reliable sources and there is no academic value in icluding them in our articles without real academic confirmation. FkpCascais (talk) 19:52, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Your comment about Cohen and his lack of any academic value on the subject and having hardly any reliability can be seen as another violation of WP:BLP. There were two RSN discussions (link to second and link to first) and small group of editors who share the same POV (one side of the dispute) failed to gain consensus that his work is reliable. Lack of consensus at RSN did not stop this small group to continue to misuse wikipedia to disseminate content of Cohen's work. Maybe this small group of editors is not able to gain consensus that this work is reliable, but let me assure you that this small group will easily gain consensus to indeff ban you and your violation of WP:BLP will make it even easier. I think you have three simple options. To swim away, to take Cohen's work to third RSN and gain consensus that it is unreliable (which I think is impossible because however small, this group would be enough to prevent it) and finally you can continue to write negative comments about Cohen violating WP:BLP. If you choose third option, I will report you.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:49, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Antidiscriminator, I have been around longer then you. You have two optios, either you mind your own bussiness, or you fill my balls, what is gonna be? FkpCascais (talk) 22:52, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

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Bojan Nastić U-23 cap[edit]

Hi! Could you provide a source for Bojan Nastić U-23 appearance?--Oleola (talk) 13:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Oleola: OK, let me see and if not I will remove it. FkpCascais (talk) 13:38, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


Hey FkpCascais, what's up? I didn't want to create a conflict between us on this matter, we had good level of understanding in the past. But please, cover in Zastava-related articles what you've said here: [39]. Also, while Zastava Arms may have some connections with automotive companies, I don't see a link between Zastava Tervo and them, only with Zastava Trucks. You should create a better criteria for that template. All articles of these automotive companies have see also sections for quick link, I don't understand why was there a need for a template?--AirWolf talk 13:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

P.S. Try to minimize your TP by moving threads in your archives. Just a suggestion, I mean, 270 active threads?.--AirWolf talk 13:26, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
It is not a conflict, it is just you that seem to be unaware of the history of the brand (dont take me wrong). See here: offiicial website. Zastava produced arms from the start till nowadays. But by 1904 a section starts car repairing, which will eventually develop into assembling Chevrolet army trucks in 1939. This subsection dedicated to cars/trucks within Zastava arms is the origin of Zastava automobiles. In 1953 they sign a contract with Fiat, and from then on I think you know the story. For long Zastava produced arms and vehicles side-by-side.
About Zastava TERVO, it is basically rebranded Zastava Trucks. The lede is sourced and says " it was formed on 1 September 2017 with all fixed and current assets of Zastava Trucks including most of its former employees." All these are definitelly related, but I am surprised you didnt knew about the history and how Zastava automobiles started as section of Zastava arms. You said they had nothing in common beside name, oh Lord, so wrong. About the template, you may dislike it, but I find it quite usefull. Zastava is a big brand wich gathers many different manufacturers, and as such, a template is perfectly desirable and prefered over having the "see also" sections never knowing if they are updated and complete... FkpCascais (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I am about to archive the tp for long but have been lazy to do it... FkpCascais (talk) 17:09, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Zastava Tervo has little evidence of notability, and maybe it is a good candidate for deletion. As for Zastava Arms story, please cover that and add refs to its article. Community can't take what someone said here as source.--AirWolf talk 20:33, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
I will expand that historical section that I see it has been removed. FkpCascais (talk) 01:02, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Zastava TERVO is a successor of Zastava Trucks. It took over the instalations, the employees, and same tipe of products Zastava Trucks had. It is a company dedicated to manufacturing of military vehicles and already has anounced a series of projects which guarantee notability for the company. FkpCascais (talk) 01:24, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Kosovo national football team[edit]

For some reason, you completely fail to get my point. For the sake of convenience, I will copy both tables onto this page.

FIFA World Cup record Qualifications record
Year Round Pos Pld W D L GF GA Squad Year Pld W D L GF GA
1930 to 1998 Part of  Yugoslavia
2002 to 2014 Not a FIFA member Not a FIFA member
Russia 2018 Did not qualify Russia 2018 10 0 1 9 3 24
Qatar 2022 To be determined To be determined
Total 0/22 0 0 0 0 0 0 Total 10 0 1 9 3 24
UEFA European Championship record Qualifications record
Year Round Pos Pld W D L GF GA Squad Year Pld W D L GF GA
1960 to 1996 Part of  Yugoslavia
2000 to 2016 Not a UEFA member Not a UEFA member
Europe 2020 To be determined To be determined
Total 0/16 0 0 0 0 0 0 Total 0 0 0 0 0 0

Now look at these tables. The first row literally says: "from 1930 to 1998: part of Yugoslavia" (or "from 1960 to 1996: part of Yugoslavia" for the UEFA Championship). In the former version, it said: "from 1930 to 1998: part of Yugoslavia and Serbia and Montenegro." And that is inaccurate. Not even misleading, just plainly inaccurate. There was no such country during that period. How on Earth can Kosovo, between 1930 and 1998, have been part of a country that didn't exist until 2003?
Apparently, the article considers Kosovo as a separate entity after the 1999 insurgency and subsequent Serbian crackdown and UN intervention. This decision is certainly debatable, but I would never change that without discussing this politically sensitive point on the talk page. My edit, on the other hand, was something completely different. In its former guise, the article claimed something wildly inaccurate. I have no political agenda of any sort. I am a Wikipedian. My mission is to improve Wikipedia, e.g. by ridding it from obvious inaccuracies. Steinbach (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Kosovo was part of SFR Yugoslavia and FR Yugoslavia till 1999. The national team that represented FR Yugoslavia is Serbia and Montenegro national football team. Unfotunatelly the template of FR Yugoslavia displays "Serbia and Montenegro" which is how the country was known in its last 3 years of existance. I will remove the template so it doesnt displays "Serbia and Montenegro" but it does link to a proper national team Kosovo was part of between 1992 and 1999. Can we agree on this? FkpCascais (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


Hi. Please read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships) (specifically, the Ships from navies without ship prefixes part of the convention) before moving ship articles to new names. Thank you.--Saxum (talk) 20:15, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

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Simon Vukčević[edit]

Olá meu caro, tudo em ordem? Espero que sim.

Uma ajudinha neste artigo, se puder ser (como ele já "foi" sérvio acho que sim, senão quiseres/puderes porque razão for, compreendo perfeitamente), tive que fazer uma limpeza descomunal porque o artigo estava uma autêntica porcaria, cheia de "poesia" não referenciada.

O texto está bem agora acho eu, só são precisas referências em sérvio para: 1 - "He was eventually awarded the number 1 shirt in recognition of his popularity among supporters but, during 2005–06, faced criticism over his excessive individual play and poor shot selection, as well as overall declining form", na secção do PARTIZAN - se é que é verdade, é estranho um jogador de campo usar o #1 mas acontece; 2 - os problemas com o treinador Weiss no SATURN (havia uma mas já estava morta, arranjei uma em português para substituir mas já é do ano a seguir); 3 - o prémio que ele ganhou dado pelo DSL Sport, na seccção INTERNATIONAL CAREER.

Tal como disse, compreendo se não puder ser, é só para ajudar a WP e não a mim. Um abraço, obrigado de antemão e boas férias se for caso disso. --Quite A Character (talk) 13:31, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Meu estimado colega Vasco, claro que sempre que tenha tempo, ajudo. Vejo que fez um enorme trabalho no artigo. Sim, posso ajudar na traducao obvio. Vukcevic nao foi Servio, mas toda essa regiao, nomeadamente Sérvia, Montenegro, Croácia e Bósnia e Herzegovina, falam "Servo-Croata" potanto todos se entendem. Com 20 milhoes de falantes e uma área relatvamente grande, a lingua ganhou muitos dialectos proprios de cada regiao. Quando em 1918 a Sérvia ganhou a Primeira Grande Guerra, vastas regioes onde viviam Servios, e outros Eslavos do Sul dentro do Império Austro-Húngaro se juntaram ao que era o reino da Sérvia anterior a guerra. Desde sempre houve a nocao que uma das coisas que unia estes povos era a lingua. Quando se finalmente uniram todos num so pais em 1918, foi declarada lingua oficial o "Sérvio-Croato-Esloveno" (reflectindo o nome do pais que inicialmente era Reino dos Sérvios, Croatas e Eslovenos e se chamava Jugoslávia coloquialmente desde o inicio e oficialmente desde 1929). Cedo passou a ser claro que o Esloveno era subsancialmente diferente, e que enquanto que entre o Sérvio e Croata havia uma interlegibilidade forte indicando claramente tratar-se de uma mesma lingua, com o Esloveno as diferencas eram maiores e era claramente uma lingua parecida mas diferente.
Consequentemente depois da Segunda Guerra Mundial desiste-se dessa ideia do S-C-S e fica so "Servo-Croata" como lingua dominante (tipo Castelhano em Espanha) e Esloveno e Macedonio como outras duas linguas oficiais na Jugoslavia. É de referir também que devia ser mais ressaltado o facto de a Jugoslávia ter sido dos paises, senao mesmo o país, que mais respeitava as linguas das minorias. Dai além destas linguas que falei, ainda havia como oficial o Albanes no Kosovo, o Húngaro, Alemao, Eslovaco, Romeno, Ruteno, Checo na Vojvodina, Romani e Turco na Macedonia, Italiano em partes de Eslovenia e Istria e Dalmacia, etc.
Seja como for, a lingua-franca e usada pelas instituicoes governamentais era o "Servo-Croata". Nas regioes onde era falada outra lingua, S-C era aprendido paralelamente. Da mesma forma como o Castelhano em Espanha, S-C era usado para se entenderem por exemplo pelos desportistas, jornalistas, comitivas jugoslavas quando juntas. A popularidade do cinema e musica jugoslava que quase toda em S-C para assim atingir mais facilmente popularidade nacional fazia a lingua ser falada por todos. Havendo diferentes dialectos, o escolhido para ser o estandardizador da lingua foi o falado pelos Sérvios da Herzegovina oriental. Nao so pela sua localizacao relativamente central quanto a zona na qual se falava o S-C mas tambem porque aquela regioao é onde os primeiros estados sérvios tiveram raizes no tempo medieval e é de onde provem a maior parte da tradicao cultural, escrita e oral. O S-C sendo uma lingua bastante evoluida e simplificada em relacao ao antigo Eslavo original, é uma lingua facilmente comprendida por outros Eslavos, dai por exemplo nos anos 70 e 80 musica e cinema em S-C comecou a ser exportado para Bulgaria por exemplo onde algumas estrelas pop jugoslavas chegavam a encher estadios nos concertos mais que na propria Jugoslavia, pop jugoslavo idolatrado por geracoes na Polonia etc. Portanto, :D tudo isto porque estou aborrecido a Sérvia ter perdido contra a Suica e dessa forma lixado a passagem e to aqu a fazer tempo para entrar no trabalho e te deixei aqui esta mini historia do Servo-Croata e agora sabes que qq coisa em Croata, Bosnia, Montenegrino e Servio é na verdade dialectos duma mesma lingua e as percebo e te posso ajudar. PS: Viste, o meu clube, Partizan, assinou Ricardo Gomes? Abraco! Ja faco as taducoes. FkpCascais (talk) 15:31, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Ja esta encontrada uma referencia para o n1. É mesmo verdade, ele usou o "1" apesar de ser playmaker. FkpCascais (talk) 17:04, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Obrigado pela parte histórica, li com atenção! Eu já fiz a limpeza que tinha a fazer no Vukcevic ("accessdates" das referências correctas, e adicionei mais uma referência em sérvio no intro). Acho que faz falta mais uma referência no PERSONAL se fizeres favor, li o artigo da e não fazem referência nenhuma ao parentesco (procurei na web sérvia mas não percebi nada :().

Em relação ao R. Gomes, teve até agora poucas oportunidades na Primeira Liga mas esta época na 2ª divisão esteve em grande (subida e melhor marcador), boa sorte para clube e jogador! --Quite A Character (talk) 22:25, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Desculpa Vasco, esqueci-me mesmo. É que eu tenho um trabalho que tem a parte gratificante de poder ter a internet ligada e fazer nela o que me apetecer em alturas de acalmia, mas de repente me apaecem clientes e tudo fica em stand-by. Para me desculpar ainda mais tens de saber que sou daquelas pessoas que usa o portatil (raramente edito de smartphones) e tenho tipo pelo menos 10 tabs abertos ao mesmo tempo. Varias de wiki, e depois de redes sociais, discussoes youtube, forums... alem de falar com a mulher quase sempre online tambem, e quando elas entram com algum assunto, ja deves imaginar... Eu reparei que tu es muito metodico e organizado, eu sou o oposto, faco isto tentando fazer bem mas é sempre improvisado e de forma algo despassarada. Ate pelas dezenas de sandboxes podes ver quantos projectos tenho iniciados e deixados a meio para os ir terminando quando puder. Por isso, estas coisas nao me leves mesmo a mal, quando ves que acontecem diz-me mesmo "Entao??? É pra hoje???" :D
Deixa la ver se me lembro, sim, Vukcevic, tema do parentesco. Na altura parei ai e deixei isso para mais tarde e claro, esqueci. A cena é que os Vukcevic sao mais que as maes. No comeco o Simon era o maior e o mais famoso, mas depois na selecao de Montenegro comecaram a aparecer mais. Entre os que tem ca artigo, sao 6, tenho a certeza que alguns, senao mesmo todos, sao parentesco. O Montenegro é um bocado tipo Sicilia, tudo familias (clas). O Simon conseguiu, deve ter comecado a meter cunhas para os primos todos jogarem... Sabendo ja isso de antemao e que implicaria arranjar uma serie de artigos para fazer todas essas conexoes entre os varios Vukcevic´s, deixei para mais tarde, e bem que me lembraste agora. Vou-te ver isso agora, OK? Vamos ver quais sao parentesco e quais nao.
PS: Fiz um artigo (lista melhor dito) da qual me orgulho muito, nao tanto pelo esforco que nem foi tanto ja que foi juntar varias listas, mas pela ideia em si. "Os primeiros estrangeiros a quebrarem o gelo nos paises de Leste", ta aqui: List of foreign footballers in European communist countries. Sei que me faltam referencias, as irei meter. FkpCascais (talk) 21:39, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Caro Vasco, a procura de parentesco dele parece limitar-se ao pai, Ilija. O artigo citado la nada diz sobre o assunto, nem sequer menciona o pai (ou eu nao consigo ver?). Outros artigos como este do Público ou este da Vijesti so comfirmam Ilija ser seu pai, mas nada falam sobre a ligacao do pai ao FK Zeta. FkpCascais (talk) 01:40, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Obrigadíssimo! Vamos dar uma de WP:BOLD e pôr uma no "personal" então. Só falta uma para os problemas dele com o treinador Weiss e uma para o prémio que ganhou em 2004 (no princípio do "international career"). Bom trabalho de equipa, abraços. --Quite A Character (talk) 18:58, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


Fora je u tome da stvarno i postoji neki lik, čini mi se, koji se zove Dejan Ponjević i koji je bio u Indeksu prethodnih sezona. Dakle, kad nemaš dovoljno informacija, razlika u jednom slovu ti deluje beznačajno, ali na taj način ti dovodiš u zabunu još veću grupu ljudi. Ovaj tvoj imenjak koji vodi Srbijafudbal zapravo vadi statistiku iz žurnala, koliko shvatam, ali se pitam šta on radi kada mu fali neki izveštaj. Za Mladena Kovačevića stoji 25 golova, ali ih je zapravo postigao 27 u ligi, e sad pitanje je kako su u kojoj statistici vođeni. Moguće je da tu ima nekih koji su pripisani kao autogolovi protivničkim igračima, ali često mi se neke statistike koje vodim razmimoilaze sa njegovim. Ove prosečne ocene koje izvlači zavise isključivo od objektivnosti izveštača Žurnala sa utakmica. Dalje, on beleži nacionalnost pre državljanstva, što u današnjem svetu, gde su migracije svakodnevna pojava, sve manje ima smisla. Ja hipotetički mogu da se izjasnim kao pripadnik neke manjinske entičke zajednice, ukoliko hoću, ali sam svakako državljanin Srbije. Imaš primere Dinge, koji je bio kapiten svih mlađih reprezentativnih selekcija, a on je etnički Slovak iz Vojvodine, onda Zekaja, etničkog Albanca, koji pređe u Lil, isto bio kapiten neko vreme, pa Zulfijia rodom iz Preševa... Svi oni imaju državljanstvo Srbije, tu su rođeni, tu su im porodice. Svi ti silni Pazarci zavedeni pod BIH, to mi stvarno bode oči. Meni je jasno da se oni većinom izjašnjavaju kao Bošnjaci i to je njihovo pravo, ali su rođeni u Srbiji. A vidiš i primer Meše Selimovića, koji se izjašnjavao kao Srbin, iako je bio Musliman. Sa druge strane imaš Igora Svešnjikova i Artura Mkrtchyana, koji su rođeni u svojim državama, pa su kao klinci došli u Srbiju, tu odrasli i logično je da imaju dvojno državljanstvo, iako su rođeni van Srbije i nisu entički Srbi.

Srećna okolnost je ta što TV ne gledam, odnosno palim ga samo kada želim da pogledam neki određeni sportski, kinematografski ili naučni sadržaj, ostalo me ne interesuje. Muka mi je od ovog politikanstva i zamena teza i cela ta situacija ovde se pretvorila u jedan veliki i sveobuhvatni rijaliti program, gde se više nezna ko koga. Sa jedne strane imaš akcijske cene salame podriguše za penzionere i pojedine grupacije koje se same diskriminišu apostrofirajući svoju nejednakost, odnosno različitost, abolirane prestupnike i svakakve likove koji "iskaču iz frižidera", a sa druge budeš etiketiran kao šovinista ako stvari nazoveš pravim imenom. Ja sigurno neću nikoga da linčujem, niti da uskraćujem ljudska prava bilo kome, ali isto tako ne želim da aminujem sve što mi se servira u vidu nekakvih slogana i borbe za bolju budućnost. Nego da se vratim na temu, veliki je problem što je istraživačko novinarstvo kod nas izgubilo smisao, posebno s dolaskom interneta na ove prostore. Još jedna naopaka pojava. Rekao bi čovek, mogućnosti je toliko, ali je "Resavska škola" ovde toliko duboko utemeljena da se izgleda plašimo za opstanak tradicije, ako neko nešto sam uradi. Kurir je tako pisao da je Nemanja Ćalasan igrao 4. ligu sa Bačkom, što nije bio slučaj, pa je to na kraju interpretirao čak i Aca Stojanović na RTS-u, protiv Amera. Na Srbijafudbalu, pak, stoji da je Strahinja Bošnjak rođeni Beograđanin, ali je zapravo moj sugrađanin, s tim što su njegovi Banjalučani, čini mi se. Sredio sam ga na sr, pošto ga tu niko neće obrisati, a imam ga i ovde. Isti slučaj je i sa Svetom Markovićem. A dešava se da ima grešaka u datumu ili godini rođenja i visini, ali lik opet radi posao kojim se retko ko bavi. Naravno, mnogi sajtovi ga kopiraju i onda dolazi do žešćih konfuzija. A "specijalizovani" Transfermarkt je priča koju je isto nezahvalno komentarisati. Kada bi pojedini shvatili da je i to strana koju uređuju živi ljudi i da je itekako podložna greškama, poput priče oko onog Francuza, bilo bi bar za nijansu bolje. Koliko puta mi se dešavalo da napišem neki članak i da isti, uz minimalne kozmetičke korekcije, nađem na nekoj drugoj platformi. To je u neku ruku pohvalno i dođe kao vrsta satisfakcije za trud, ali je sa druge strane problem u tome što neko kome je to posao doslovno kopira nekog laika u tome. Što se tiče Dejanovića, on je bio kod Paunovića, čini mi se, ali je možda odigrao tek neku prijateljsku. Imam to negde izvučeno sa sajta FSS-a. Dok nije počeo "Fudbal" redovno da izlazi na netu, nisi mogao da pronađeš za polovinu igrača ko je ko i gde je ko otišao, ili došao. Prošlog leta je bila smena Mladenovića u Dinamu, pa Miletići u Partizanu, Tasići u Borcu... Lako se stvori zabuna. Plus društvene mreže, gde svako nešto piše, objavljuje, svako bi da igra neku ulogu. Bizarno je to da svi formalno imaju pravo na obrazovanje, a koliko zapravo ima nepismenih. Koliko sam se puta susreo sa tim da ljudi na određeninim pozicijama ne umeju da pročitaju napisan govor, a kamoli da kažu nešto smisleno. Daleko sam i ja od nekog idealnog po tom pitanju, odmah da se razumemo, ali što sam stariji, sve više gledam da se ne guram tamo gde mi nije mesto. Možda nekome jeste nebitno, ali se plašim da se u Srbiji ukorenio taj provincijski mentalitet, gde mnogi ne vide dalje od nosa. Ovo se odnosi i na Beograđane, jer se mnogi ne snalaze ni u granicama Beograda, a kamoli van njih. Nije realno očekivati da će svako da voli sve, pa ni da će svi ljudi iz unutrašnjosti da se osećaju prijatno u prestonici, niti obratno, ali ovolika netrpeljivnost u narodu nam je možda i najveća pretnja opstanku. Svako svakome podmeće nogu i nikako da prevaziđemo ono "da komšiji crkne krava". Shvatimo u kakvim smo problemima tek kad naiđu neke katastrofe i kad nam neko prodrma kavez, a o ljudima se priča sve najbolje tek onda kad "bace kašiku". Do tada obično trotoarom kruže priče o svakome, gluvi telefoni od usta do usta, a niko sebe ne vidi. I uvek nam je neko drugi kriv. Čijenica je da smo oštećeni protiv "Švajcaraca", ali gde smo bili tada i zašto smo uopšte dozvolili da zavisimo od toga? Mi sebi ne valjamo i ne znam kako se nadamo tome da će neko drugi da nas uvažava, ako se sami ponižavamo.

Ne znam koliko si pratio prelazni rok, priznajem da nisam ni ja baš toliko zagrizao kao prethodnih godina, a i Bora se polako isključuje, pa sam sklonio Prvu ligu zasad. Ali ono što vidim, deluje mi da je Spartak dosta slabiji, da nisu doveli nikog ozbiljnijeg, a i da su rasturili dobar deo onih igrača koje je još Černišov formirao. Đenić možda jeste u nekim segmentima sličan Nikoliću, ali je i dosta stariji, a pritom i nije igrač koji garantuje golove. Voleo bih da grešim, ali oni kao da se uopšte ne trude da probaju nešto u Evropi. Lotom (talk) 09:37, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Sređen Aleksandar Susnjar, otkonjena misterija zvana Donji Srem i još jedan primer "Resavske škole". Svakako bi bilo nemoguće da isti čovek igra za dva različita kluba u dve države i pritom istovremeno. Slično je bilo i sa Čolovićima pre par sezona. Lotom (talk) 09:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Bravo, fantasican posao radis! ... Znaci nije Donji Srem imao kengurskog reprezentativca... e jebi ga... PS: Drago mi je sto ste doveli Degeneka, bice uzbudljivo prvenstvo jer ja se barem nadam da ce Djukic ove sezone ipak da pokaze da zna posao. A sto se ostalih tice, Spatak rastura tim kao i uvek, sve sami tgovci koji rasprodaju sve. Nadju oni na kaju prlaznog roka tu i tamo nekoga za dzabe da dovedu i to je sve. Radnicki tenira Lalat o kome ima najgore moguce misljenje. Jedna egocentricna nesigurna osoba koja taj karakter direktno cini da utice na njegov posao. Vuce svoje igrace, a evo samo kao kuiozitet, izbroj u karijeri kao trener koliko je stranaca doveo a koliko rastrao i zaprepastices se kako to niko nije primetio niti o tome pisao. FkpCascais (talk) 09:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Pazi, Lalat je imao rezultate koga god je trenirao. E sad, kao pojavu bolje da ga ne komentarišem. Što se tiče stranaca, optimalan broj njih u njegovim ekipama se kreće 0-2. Kad su oni u pitanju, nema mnogo strpljenja za njih, iz svega što sam imao prilike da vidim. Koliko se sećam, niti jednog nije afimisao. Činjenica je da nemaju ni svi stranci dovoljan kvalitet, ali postoje i oni koji u našu ligu zalutaju iz suprotnih razloga. Fascinantno mi je da je Ebisilio i nakon infarkta nastavio da se bavi fudbalom. Degenek je meni skroz gotivan igrač, videćemo kako će da se pokaže, ali mi se čini da su Krajišnici generalno dobri igrači. A što se Đukića tiče, plašim se da ćete opet imati probleme sa njim, gubi se čovek opasno. Igrače imate, ali igru ne vidim. A svi stranci koji su došli izgledaju nespremno, a čak to i sam Đukić potvrđuje. Znači, treba im vremena. Ne sviđa mi se omalovažavanje Irtiša u medijima, zbog nekih ranijih loših iskustava. Voleo bih da vidim malog Šehovića kako će da se snađe. Urošević ima određene kvalitete, ali mu glava nije na mestu i to mu je najveći problem. Lotom (talk) 10:50, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Pa bas si oko oko Sehovica pogodio poentu. Trebaju nam hrabri treneri koji ce dati sansu igacima koji su moguce iznenadjenje. Mrzim trenere (a tij daleko najvise kod nas ima) koji stalno vuku i dovode jedne te iste "proverene" igrace, ali koji su provereneni jedino u njihovom mediokritetu. Klubovi poput Spartaka, Radnickog, Napetka, Cuke, itd. MORAJU da uzmu trenera koji NEMA taj obicaj mediokriteta nego ima MUDA. Da ti ne nabajam sve trenere sto znas vec koji dodju u klub i sve sto zele je lista tih "proverenih" mdiokriteta iz SuperLige i osiguraju sredinu tabele i to je to. Svaki klub koji doved jednog od tih trenera ni ne zasluzuje nista bolje nego da pada u odnosu na predhodnu sezonu. Problem je sto imajuci u vidu da 13-14 od 16 klubova imaju tu istu ideologiju, mnogi pezivle, a sa koji cudnom, totalno indkativno laznu o kvalietu tabelu superlige, jos ispadnu "dobri".
I Lalat je eto briljantan ucenik te prevazidjene skole. Uzima klubove koji vec prirodno su u visljem delu tabele, rastera strance, zameni ih njegovim "proverenim" prosecnjakovicima, i klub zavrsi sezonu negde na sredini tabele (evropska mesta) i jos ispadne "uspesan"! Zasto su mu timovi sa 0-2 stanca. Jer kad dodje u klub, klub ih ima 4-5, i zaviseci od vemena koji povde u klubu, uspeju da ostanu 1 ili 2 ako uopste i oni. I to sve zato sto 1) ne zna jezike i ne zna da se sporazume sa ljudima nisakim sem nasim, i 2) nema MUDA. A kamoli da bude trener koji bi imao muda da kaze #dosta vise posecnjakovica" umesto ovih storina posecnih domacih koji se vrte iz kluba u klub (koji pritom i nisu jeftini nasuprot narodnom misljenju) trener koji ce platu tog prosecnjakovica da da sansu makar probama omladincima i strancima. U nasem klupskom fudbalu ce se stvari poboljsati tek kad dodje generacija trenera koji IMAJU muda! FkpCascais (talk) 12:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Nemoj samo "ži' mi ti" da prodaješ ovu priču "dogovorićemo se, ali biće kako ja kažem". Šalim se malo, naravno, ali donekle sam i ozbiljan. Znam da ganjaš ove strance čim vidiš potencijalne objave o njima, videli smo svi za Marveđa, ali sam siguran da da nije baš pametno ovo raditi. Nisu ga zaboravili sigurno, jer bi bio na listi licenciranih za ligu. Evo ti primer Miovski, koji je navodno potpisao, ali papiri nikad zavedeni u savezu, neobavezujući, te je isti otišao. Čim ga ubace, biće tu. Taj njihov sajt je toliko smešan da je bolje zaobilaziti ga, nego uzimati u neko ozbiljno razmatranje. Evo ti ovaj Tatić, golman koji je ponikao u kraljevačkoj Slogi. Potpisao za Bačku, pa raskinuo u roku od mesec dana, sa sve zvaničnim objavama u Fudbalu i bez registracije za ligu. A bude tu i gomila primera onih koji prođu kroz papire, a da ih ne registruju za ligu, ili to urade nekad u toku sezone. Npr. Đilas u Partizanu, Stefan Jovanović i Igor Savić u Lučanima, itd. Vidiš i sam da svi ovi novinari prepisuju jedni od drugih i da je malo toga pouzdano. Kao ona situacija oko Šušnjara. Ja sve manje vremena imam, a polako me i volja napušta za održavanjem svega ovoga, pa nije isključeno da izguram još ovu sezonu i posle smanjim gas. Lotom (talk) 12:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
@Lotom: Ej sad tek videh da si mi pisao, jer mi ove disambiguation poruke stalno ubacuju... Ma Lotome, sefe, nema bre frke uopste. Ja bi rekao da je on u Zemunu, al dal skuplja lopte ili sluzi samo za treninge, to je njihova stvar. Kako hoces, ali znaj da se ja ne cimam uopste za ovo. Poz brate! FkpCascais (talk) 11:00, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Na kraju krajeva, znas vec :D FkpCascais (talk) 11:03, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Sve znam, brate moj! Lola juče izdominirao protiv Lučana. Jeste crnjak, ali je on možda i stvarno bio jedan od boljih, ako je takvih bilo. Mada, opet, Milovanović uvek "isprebija" protivnika, mnogo faulova, a čini mi se da bi i Murinju mogao da drži časove što se bunkera tiče. Rikardo mi deluje kao napadač kome treba podrška, nije klasičan sidraš. Ćelavi nije toliko dobar bek, kao na štoperu, a mali Sveta Marković je podbacio u odnosu na prethodnu sezonu. Pitam se gde je Enake juče. Što se ostalih tiče, Voša potpuno podbacila, donekle i Napredak, ali mi Bačka i Zemun deluju zanimljivo ove sezone. S obzirom na to da su to klubovi iz donjeg doma, zasad to i nije tako loše. Ja sam se iznenadio kad sam video reprezentativca Severne Koreje kod njih, potpuno atipično za našu ligu, on je možda tek 2, ili 3, ti znaš bolje. Videćemo kakav je ovaj novi Litvanac, ali Lasickas je prošle godine postavio standard. Spartak dogura do 3. kola, tek sad ih posebno j**e kratka klupa, ostali su bez pola ekipe za danas, pa će verovatno mali Rakić iz Zvezde da debituje, ali očekujem da se malo ozbiljnije pojačaju. Kad završe kvalifikacije, vrlo verovatno će otići još par igrača, pa će im i za ligu biti neophodan jači kadar. Simović, koliko god ga ne gotivim previše, uradio je solidan posao poslednjih godina, pre svega što se tiče izbora stručnog kadra. Dunđerski, kad su u pitanju igrači isto je imao dosta pogodaka, mada je i sina ugurao u postavu. Nadam se da će izvući pouku iz prethodne sezone. Šimuru su iskopali u crnogorskoj ligi, a ne deluje mi ništa značajno lošiji od Bakule kod nas. Lotom (talk) 11:36, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Nisam gledao protiv Lucana, nekako sam i znao da nece biti pobeda jer je period tranzicije gde se ne zna jos ko pije a ko placa. Enake se nije video uopste jel? Pa to je za ocekivati bilo, ti novi igraci, narocito stranci, su sad u nedodjiji jer ne znaju sta ih ceka. Meni se licno Enake u predhodnim utakmicama svideo. Nije nikakva zvezda ali za te pare (igrac dzabe ne skupe plate) je OK. Meni se kod njega najvise svidelo sto sam ga vidjao vise u napadu nego u defanzivi, a ideje sam da Partizan i Zvezda igraju takvu ligu da im trebaju ofanzivni bekovi jer je za vecinu utakmica za odbanu dovoljno par stopera i defanzivni half. Njih trojica vec cine sasvim dovoljno solidan defanzivni blok za vise od pola ligaskih utakmica, a bekovi je dovoljno da minimalno znaju da brane (da se postave da sprece prodore i centarsuteve). Enake mi se svideo kako dobro igra u napadu, nudi se stalno na desnoj strani srednjem redu i napadu, mnogo vise od Vulicevica koji je vise klasican bek sigurno korisniji protiv jacih protivnika gde treba da se branimo. Rikardo je sigurno sad malo psihicki uzdrman pa je normalno da je ugasen. Verujem (nadam se) da ce Bata njih sve da sredi jer iskreno mislim da imamo dobar tim, cak sa raznim kvalitetnim opcijama, samo treba trener koji ce uneti pozitivu i samopoverenje igracima, da im unese mir i stabilnost. Nekako kao da drhte svi, kao da im gori pod nogama, a to nije dobro.
Ja sam vec bio napisao u zurnalu sta bi uradio. Napravio bi u Partizanu taktiku kao da igramo sa 10 igraca (znaci igracem manje). Da tih 10 pokrije ceo teren. A onda bi dao Sumi, 11-om igracu, svu slobodu i naredio mu da bude blizu Rikarda i kreira igru u napadu. Sumu bi oslobodio svih taktickih limitacija. Ocekivao bih od njega da za koje vreme u takvoj vatijanti igre postane najbolja strana Kange. Neka vrsta atomskog mrava kojeg protivnik ne bi umeo da cita jer nikad ne bi znao sta ce da uradi. A on poseduje tehniku i dodir lopte za takvu ulogu. Ume da zadrzi loptu i povuce odbranu a onda bi se otvaralo ili Rikardu, ili Panticu, Djerleku/Jankovicu, pa cak i Enakeu desno. Mislim da treneri grese jer dodju sa stvorenim idejama a onda nemaju tim za to, a nama treba trener koji ce da ume da stvori igru u skladu sa igracima koje imamo. Nasuprot mnogima, ne kritikujem toliko Ilijeva. Kritikujem koncept u kojem je on radio po svome a posle trener po svome. Ali Ilijev je stvorio tim koji ima cak i klupu. Fali samo trener koji ce umeti sve da ih iskoristi.
Videcemo hoce li novi litvanac biti dobar kao sto je Lasickas bio. Mislim da je greska i pretenciozno bilo dati mu odmah 10-ku. Jer je Lasickas dosao kao anonimus od koga se nista nije ocekivalo, a sad je obrnuta situacija i to moze da ima negativan efekat. Za severnokorejanca sam znao vec odavno jer se u bosanskim medijima pojavila vest da je taj DPR Korejanski reprezentativac raskinuo sa Zrinjskim ali da je odmah dosao u Srbiju u Zemun. Takodje spominju da razlog njegovog neuspeha u Bosni uopste nije bio manjak kvaliteta, vec samo nesporazumevanje, jer ne zna engleski, i niko nikako sa njim nije umeo ni mogao da kamunicira. Videcemo kako ce to u Zemunu resiti, valjda neku ideju imaju.
Simovic me veoma lepo iznenadio, svaka mu cast! Cekam kao ozeblo sunce da potvrde potpisivanje Caua (jer ga Alaves takodje zeli) a i najavio je dovodjenje stopera. Zeli da ulozi u tim, to me mnogo raduje. FkpCascais (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Uuuu jebote, sad videh, izgubise 4-0 od Proletera, WTF?????? Ma namesteno... FkpCascais (talk) 20:35, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Ma Enake nije bio ni u protokolu, Ćelavi je bio na beku. Litvanac je 10-ku verovatno dobio igrom slučaja, pošto se oslobodila odlaskom Simića. Čuvena priča o ekonomatima srpskih klubova i dresovima koji izdrže po 3-4 sezone. Zato mnogi ne štampaju prezimena na njima. Spartak bukvalno iz 18 imao samo Perića, Miloševića i Marčića (suspendovan za Brondbi zbog crvenog), ostalo obdanište. Štoperi '99 i '00, nikad nisu igrali zajedno. S obzirom na priču oko Proletera, sve nekako mislim da će biti 3 za 3. Razumem želju Savkovića da ode preko, verovatno i trajanje ugovora + godine, ali da su uzeli samo 250k za najboljeg igrača, stvarno je malo. Njima će biti potrebno minimum jedno ozbiljno krilo, jer postoje indicije da će i neko od dvojca Čečarić/Đuričin da ode. Ne znam kakav je Chow, ni šta tačno igra, ali sa njim i Ukrajincem, Demirom, koji će verovatno biti back-up i Šimurom, oni su popunili limit za strance, pa će verovatno tražiti na domaćem tržištu. A tu se izbor iglavnom svodi na one "proverene". Mada, Subotić iz Voše je dobio papire, on mi najviše liči na Savkovića. Navijao sam da neko vrati Bempaha, meni je bio interesantan dok je bio u Voši, a u Meksiku se nije naigrao. Ovaj mali Ranđelović iz Radničkog, kog je Partizan navodno tražio, po viđenom u ovih nekoliko utakmica "zna fudbala", ne bi bilo dobro da ga upropaste kao neke od tih talenata kojima su "prognozirane velike karijere". Tu recimo ne razumem ove naše "velike klubove". Partizan, recimo ima igrača gotovo istih karakteristika (Strahinja Jovanović), čak su i sugrađani, a ovaj je još i mlađi. Oni ga daju Proleteru gde jedva da dobija priliku, a sa druge strane "slabe protivnika". Ako će da igra, pa i da razumem, ali ako dovode nekog da bi trunuo na tribinama, to teško mogu da shvatim. Lotom (talk) 22:42, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Lagao bih te kao pas kad bi rekao da znam Timoti Čaua, nikad ga gledao nisam, ali sam negde procitao da je tokom priprema igajuci za Spartak pokazao klasu i da Simovic sve cini da ga definitivno potpise. Taj podatak, uz drugi da je spanski prvoligas Alaves zainteresovan da ga potpise, daje nadu da lik valja. Ja sam kao pravi klinac njemu vec ubacio da je Spartakov, jace je od mene, ali ce izgleda stvarno on i ukrajinac potpisati. Reprezentativac Tajvana, polu kinez polu englez, sa britanskom fudbalskom skolom, mislim da ce biti interesantno egzoticno osvezenje na nasim terenima. Mozda i otvori dalje vrata em drugim slicnim igracima poput njega da dodju kod nas, em nasim srednjim i manjim klubovima da mrdnu malo dupetom i dobiju muda da dovedu neka takva pojacanja.
Nego, jesi video da je ovo stiglo do medija!!! :D (Daily Record (Scotland) wrote an article about an article I started here, Tinotenda Chibharo). Ja sam mu napravio bio clanak sa onim sto sam skupio ali sam lepo napisao da nema nastupe, ali kasnije su se neki umesali i dodavali da ima, pa se napravi polemika koja stignu do novina hahaha! FkpCascais (talk) 23:21, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

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Klubovi iz PLS[edit]

Ej @Lotom:e, sto se tice ovih klubova sto su igrali Prvu ligu Srbije a nemaju clanak, sta mislis da je bolje da uradimo, da trazim na WP:FOOTY da vrate clanke (posto su skoro, ako ne i svi, imali clanak ali je bio izbisan) pa da ih onda aktualizujemo, ili bi radje da ih napravimo iz korena? Meni je licno svejedno, cak bi radje trazio da vrate izbrisane clanke jer me moram da priznam malo mrzi da pravim te clanke iz korena. Ne znam jedino da li ti mozda imas interes da ih pravis ili da li imas neke vec zapocete ili napravljene u sandboxu? Stvar je ta da posto se PLS smatra profi ligom, svi ti klubovi naravno imaju pravo da imaju clanak, i treba da ga imaju. Mislim konkretno na FK Temnić Varvarin (ili FK Temnić 1924), OFK Odžaci (bio je clanak FK Tekstilac Odžaci skor sam siguran) i sad FK Trayal Kruševac (ili FK Trajal Kruševac). Vidim da je FK Budućnost Dobanovci vracen, super. FkpCascais (talk) 13:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

To se i ja nešto premišljam, Temnić sam bio počeo u pesku da radim, ali ne može sve da se stigne ako samo nas par radi nešto konkretno, a da pritom vodi računa da nešto drugo ne zaj***. Za Trayal sam hteo da cimam da ga vrate, ali uvek se uhvatim u nešto drugo, pa reko' da sačekam dok počne liga. Ionako je to porodični klub, kao Reckov Dinamo. Čari srpskog fudbala. Ja bih bio zadovoljan da neke kompanije kupe, ili ulože lovu u klubove, ali niko ne vidi potencijal u tome, jer nam je liga smešna. Sve i kad neko to uradi, češće je u pitanju pranje para, rekao bih, nego stvarna ljubav prema fudbalu. Tako da možeš da tražiš da se vrate, pa ću ja ovo što sam zabrljao o Temniću da ubudžim na to postojeće. E sad, zvanični nazivi su Trajal i Temnić 1924. Na ćirilici mora tako, ali stilizovano, odnosno prema nazivu firme je Trayal. Pošto je ovo Vikipedija na engleskom ovo drugo bi trebalo da je ispravnije. Temnić, opet pošto je jednini klub sa tim imenom, ne mora nužno da stoji Varvarin, samo što malo ljudi zna odakle je klub, uključujući i Čarapane. Kad vidiš godinu u nazivu kluba, odmah znaš šta je u pitanju. U APR-u mora tako da se registruje, a šta ovde da radimo, pojma nemam. U svakom slučaju, ja tu godinu u infokutijama gledam da izbacim, pošto je nebitna ako je sam naziv kluba dovoljan. Npr. Radnički Kragujevac, Budućnost Krušik... Međutim, iz nekog razloga uobičajeno koristim Bačka 1901 i Šumadija 1903, da li što su najstariji klubovi, ili šta već, ne znam. Tako sam ih upamtio, ali je definitivno bolje Šumadija Kragujevac i Bačka Subotica. Lotom (talk) 13:57, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Te godine u imenu kluba vidim da koriste sve vise i vise kad "peru" klub, zatvore postojeci i otvore novi koji ce biti njegov naslednik. Eto sad kao Bečej nije vise FK Bečej vec je "OFK Bečej 1918" bahahaha smejurija. Potpuno sam istog misljenja kao ti, te godine jedino imaju nekog smisla u slucajevima Backe 1901 i Sumadije 1903, pa opet sa vremenom sam poceo da koristim sve vise "Backa Subotica" i "Sumadija Kragujevac". Od malena sam oduvek pravio liste klubova u kojima sam koristio formulu "ime+grad" (tipa Legia Warsaw, Sparta Prague, Real Madrid, PSV Eindhoven, Dinamo Minsk, itd.). Pa tako kod nas, Sloboda Uzice, Mladost Lucani, Radnicki Kragujevac, Timok Zajecar, Macva Sabac... mislim da je to korisno i klubu i gradu. Evo recimo hvala bogu da se najveci svetski sajtovi ne primise da primenjuju "Spartak Zdrepceva krv". Pored toliko Spartaka u svetu oni bi bas trebali da vode brigu da "Spartak Subotica" bude prepoznatljiv brend medju ljubiteljima fudbala. A oni kao za inat cine da ljudi u svetu cak i oni informisaniji ne budu bas sigurni jel taj Spartak iz Srbije isto sto i "Spartak Zdrepceva krv", "Spartak Zlatibor voda" i "Spartak Subotica". U vreme "Zlatibor vode" jos neki zaiteresovan da izgugla "Zlatibor" pa taman eto da bude siguran da to nije taj iz Subotice, jer su oba geogafska pojma bas na suprotnim ekstemima drzave. Kao nama kad bi Spartak Vladivostok pretvorili u "Spartak Baltic water"... A vazda sto reci "Ždrepčeva krv" mislim, jedva izgovorljive. Umesto da Suboticu lepo promovisu i naprave od "Spartak Subotica" prepoznatljiv brend u fudbalskom svetu, oni ga bezveze komplikuju ne razmisljajuci uopste vec samo imaju u glavi pare (kladim se da je sitnis) dobijen da bi nosili sponzorsko ime. Svojevemeno sam masovno koistio "Čukarički Stankom" ali to sam radio jer je zaista Stankom dugo bio u savezu sa Cukom, ali od tada ta sponzorska imena ignorisem totalno, samo cine da se zbune ljudi i da sprece da klubovi imaju direktno jasno vidljiv kontinuitet i istoriju bez dilema. FkpCascais (talk) 15:21, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Bespotrebnu konfuziju prave i Radnicki iz Nisa i Kragujevca. Ovi iz Kragujevca umesto da zele da promovisu ime grada bezveze se vezase za 1923 godinu, a ono na grbu niskog Radnickog ogromni brojevi 1923, jos su oba kluba crvene boje, taman da totalno zbune laike kojice po logici misliti da su to jedan te isti klub. FkpCascais (talk) 15:25, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Brate, ovaj Mrkela vas neozbiljno zajeba sto nije doveo napadaca kako teba za ovu sad vec fazu u Evropi :/ FkpCascais (talk) 22:34, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Ej al sta me stvarno obara to je da gledam bre, ubacujem strance iz kosovske (pardon, "takozvane Kosovske") lige, i ljudi koji do juce nisu ni clanovi UEFE bili klubovi im dovode africke reprezentativce i kojekakve igrace grckih manjih klubova... A nasi srednji i manji klubovi ne umeju da dovedu stranca ni da je igrao u njegovoj indijanskoj ligi a kamoli reprezentativca... Stvarno ne znam koji je kuac nasima... Zar su tolike neznalice? FkpCascais (talk) 23:07, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Gledao sam relativno mirno prvih sat vremena, ali sam onda počeo da pizdim. Ovi su gori od Lučana na tom taktičkom planu. Dali jedan gol i branili ga životom do kraja. Mene iskreno više brine odbrana, nego napad. Igra se, stvaraju se šanse, nekako verujem da će to da proradi. Sad i da se dovede napadač, pitanje je koliko će da bude od koristi. U Slovačku svakako idu ovi koji su već tu. Ali odbrana je slabija nego prošle sezone i tu se vidi koliko fali Le Talek. Vujadin previše opušteno igra, Degenek ume da ispadne. Po Rodićevoj strani zna opasno da duva, jer je više u napadu, tako je i pao gol, a Žule sinoć nije imao centaršut koji valja. Ovi su ovakvim antifudbalom već prošli Legiju, nadam se da nas neće, previše bi bilo. Još se i Milić povredi. Lotom (talk) 07:46, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Slučajno pronađoh ovo. Ludilo!

I hvala penisu da su se konačno smilovali da ujednače sajtove SL i PLS! I ako stvano budu uveli fiksne brojeve, ovo će početi da liči na profi ligu. Lotom (talk) 08:49, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Da breeeee pazi stvarno uskladjen novi sajt.... E pa bas lepo, usli smo u 21. vek. Jedva cekam spiskove igraca. FkpCascais (talk) 11:23, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Inače, bizarno, ali ako Kafu obuče #22, to će biti revolucija. Koliko ja pamtim, to je u Zvezdi oduvek bio golmanski broj. Dišljenković, Banović, Stamenković, Vesić, Manojlović. Lotom (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
To mu je bio i broj u Bordou, verovatno ima neki fetiche sa tim brojem... FkpCascais (talk) 12:50, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Nikako da odgonetnem je li onaj svajcarac iz Sindje "Vladislav Yves" ili "Yves Vladislav" jel oba deluju ime a nijedno ima logike da bude prezime. FkpCascais (talk) 10:16, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Upisan je kao Vladislav Iv kod nas. Ne mora da bude precizno, ali mislim da je ovakav redosled ispravan. Inače u Napedak je stigao izvesni Musah Alhassan M. Baba, ovde je na strani 24, ali je odmah ustupljen Gašićima. Na TM-u imamo ovog, ali s obzirom na to da je u pitanju golman, teže će to malo ići. Ostaje da sačekamo malo više informacija i registraciju za ligu. Moguće je da je u pitanju neki omladinac, znači 2000, jer još ni ugovor nema, a Trajal ih je iz Napretka uzeo na kilo, pošto su sad upali u "kvalitetnu ligu". Lotom (talk) 20:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Pa tako ga i ja upisujem svugde, kao Vladislav Yves, ali fali nam potvrda kako je zaista tacno.
Za ovog Babu se slazem, vredi sacekati i videti. Mi zbog tog rigoroznog ogranicenja veoma retko uvozimo golmane, videcemo, mozda i bude retkost da je golman u pitanju. Medjuvremenu trazim info za brazilca iz Vranja... PS: Bravo za juce. Koja golcina Radonjica, a i Ben pokazao kako pljuvati strance prerano je greska, covek ginuo sinoc za Zvezdu vise od rodjenih Delija. FkpCascais (talk) 21:04, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Imaš ga sakrivenog među transferima, Nigerijac je valjda. Moja greška je mislim za ovog u Dinamu, jbg, kad češljaš ovaj Fudbal, greške su neminovne. Taigo je, tako piše i u dokumentu. Lotom (talk) 12:11, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Pa da... sta bi nasi doveli nego nekog totalno anonimnog nigerijca, ganca ili brazilca. Ovi na Kosovu vec dovode reprezentativce manjih zemalja, a nasi dovode likove za koje ne postoji uopste nista na netu i uvek samo iz neke od tih 3 nacija. Uvrh glave iz Kameruna, a za neke je pitanje uopste jesu li bili uopste fudbaleri. A sto je tuzno sto vecinom puta i ti anonimci ispadnu pojacanje. Tijago iz Slobode, Onjilo, Kadu i Savio pre dolaska u Zetu, su se stvorili kao igraci kod nas. A sa druge strane imamo onu dvojicu iz Smedereva Lucas Marques da Silva i Renan, brat od Savia, koji sem kod nas izgleda drugde vise fudbal ni nisu igrali. Iz te serije anonimusa je i onaj Ebuka o kome sam ti vec govorio ja mislim, jeste da je ta tursko-kiparska liga neozbiljna, ali toliko golova davati je ludilo u svakom slucaju. FkpCascais (talk) 23:49, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Ovo za Jirku je dosta diskutabilno. Bilo bi poželjno da pre Žurnala, Mocarta i ostalih portala ide zvanična informacija. Nije frka za mene i nas koji smo u priči i pratimo, ali oni koji ovo ne kapiraju baš najbolje mogu ovo da protumače na više načina. Na Zvezdinom sajtu nema ništa, Trnavin nisam gledao, a kroz savez ne može da prođe zbog roka. Nekako sam skeptičan kod svih ovih predugovora, a uzevši u obzir Terzine spinove i Ivicine bombe, nikome ne verujem na reč. Sa druge strane, uvek se tu neko provuče "ispod žita", pa je tako Đilas npr. jedino kod nas zvanično vođen kao igrač Partizana od momenta kada je potpisao, pa onda i ovi 4. golmani. O čuvenim "fantomima" u Zvezdi ne treba trošitu reči. Ovi "manji klubovi" inače promene veliki broj igrača, o kojima se malo toga zna, ali se krpimo nekako. Samo bi bilo dobro kada bi dolazni klub za igrače iz inostranstva u "Fudbalu" navodili uvek, a ne selektivno. Možda bi trebalo intervenisati i obratiti se savezu po tom pitanju. Imam utisak da smo naterali ove portale da slede naš način rada, dok su neki čak i doslovno kopirali odavde. Lotom (talk) 04:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Gde ti ode, matori... :D
Pa VAR da vide jel Ronaldo usao u nju ili nije :D FkpCascais (talk) 17:56, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


It was changed here - it's a much better heading. GiantSnowman 11:38, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

GS, please ask first and do it next. No, the Slovak seasons are certainly NOT the issue, they were just an intro into a problem I wanted to expose. I undrstant your good will, but I have my reasons. FkpCascais (talk) 11:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Reply to Saying hi[edit]

Hello FkpCascais,

Thank you for nice words about my work.

Let me reply jokingly: I knew what would be the result of my report (acquittal) so I decided to report you and to make you less vulnerable (per double jeopardy). All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:58, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Serbian Empire[edit]

Hello FkpCascais,

As I posted on the Laszlo Panaflex's talk page detailed explanation, why I'm reverting the article. I'm posting the text to you as well. Please read it and I would like to remind you that the purpose of Wikipedia is to provide free information about every possible topic that can be searched and not propaganda.

"Hello Laszlo, The changes that you keep reverting are the correct ones from historical point of view.

Current text is suggesting that the Bulgarian Empire was a vassal to the Serbian Empire after the Battle of Velbazhd, which is totally incorrect. The first source "The Fall of Constantinople 1453" ( ) is just a cover web page for the book and its text are not visible, unless one buys the actual book. The reason for existance of this source is not clear as when you click on it, you cannot actually see the proof for the statement "Bulgaria had never recovered since its defeat by the Serbs at the Battle of Velbazhd,".

Second source "A History of the Balkan Peoples" ( is for the statement: "and the Bulgarian czar, whose sister Dušan later married, became his vassal," . The issue with this source is that it is an outdated (1971) work of René Ristelhueber - unknown historian whose work has been put as reference for just one additional sentence in whole of Wikipedia. The source is unreliable and it cannot be a proof for a statement of such historical importance.

Third source is "Churches Of Eastern Christendom" ( by B. J. Kidd, ( who is a recipient of the Order of St. Sava - serbian/yugoslavian state order awareded for the following reason: "recognize civilians for meritorious achievements to the Church, to arts and sciences, the royal house and the state." and it was " awarded by the king of Yugoslavia.." . This is the only official award that this man has received during his lifetime and it is obvious that his work is not reliable as it is not unbiased.

The changes that I'm doing are the correct historical evidence about the outcome of the battle of Velbazhd and are supported by numerous historical sources that are cited in all other articles in Wikipedia, that are related to this topic.

So, I'm revirting the article back to the correct text and map until you have provided a proper and unbiased historical sources. " --TheManiacBG (talk) 13:59, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I really dont care about your personal bias regarding the authors. I provided more reliable neutral sources at article talk-page. They all comfirm there was a vassal status of Bulgaria. The issue has already been discussed in Bulgarian articles and the only issue was if it lasted 35 yeas or how long. Please use the article talk-page and stop edit-warring. Thank you. FkpCascais (talk) 14:47, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


Serbian tricolour hound

Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

Thank you for quality articles around the internationality of sports, such as List of Red Star Belgrade footballers and Savo Milošević, for Petar Drapšin and Serbian Tricolour Hound, for service in many languages, for "I do take this biggest online encyclopedia very seriously", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

WOW, I am speachless, this is wonderfull, I am so proud, thank you so much @Gerda Arendt:! I actually thought no one ever reads any of stuff I write on my user-page eheh. You are so kind, best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 09:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Mladen Bojić[edit]

Hello, could you please look over Mladen Bojić and see if you can add WP:INLINECITED references? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 19:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@Boleyn:, it seems useless to do any work because he never played ouside Bosnia. He did played many years in Bosnian highest level, but still fails to pass notability cause even today Bosnian Premier League is still not fully professional. He already retired, so the most he archived was to play in UEFA Champions League qualifiers. I see I created the article almost a decade ago (in 2009), I really can´t remember why did I created him an article, he may have been rumored to sign to some club in a fully pro league and maybe that is why, but seems he didn´t... Maybe the best thing would be to PROD the article as failing notability cause he never played in a fully pro league. Thank you very much for pinging me. FkpCascais (talk) 20:19, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into it again for me. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 21:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mladen Bojić[edit]


The article Mladen Bojić has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Didn't play in a fully pro league; doesn't have coverage for WP:GNG.

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Hugo Vieira II[edit]

Logo uma entrada poderosa no sumário, meu caro...

não acho que se possa catalogar a minha abordagem de teimosa só por esta diferença de opinião. Já disse que, na minha opinião, só quando o jogador jogou por dois ou mais clubes com o mesmo nome (ou lá perto) é que é necesário diferenciar na caixa, depois a história trata do resto acho eu. Mas não te preocupes, já não toco mais na caixa do sr. Vieira, não quero guerras desnecessárias.

Noutro tema completamente diferente: pergunto pela última vez (não sei se é esquecimento da tua parte ou simplesmente não queres ajudar mais, tenho que respeitar se for o último caso, claro) se não consegues arranjar mais nada para o artigo do Vukcevic (1 - guerra com o treinador Weiss; 2 - prémio do DSL Sport para o melhor jogador jovem da Sérvia). Se não, não se fala mais no assunto e a página fica como está, de qualquer maneira já deixei/deixámos o artigo muito melhor do que aquilo que estava.

Cumprimentos --Quite A Character (talk) 09:37, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Boas Vasco, eu ja te tinha dito que é habito ter "Red Star Belgrade" na infobox. As unicas paginas que nao o tem sao nas que tu o tiras. Eu tenho seguido essa tua regra de "encurtado na infobox, extenso no artigo" mas tens que ter nocao que essa regra é so tua. So tu a inventaste e aplicas. Eu a aplico mais que nada porque acho que dá jeito, sim dá jeito ter na infobox uma versao mais curta (se bem que certamente sabes que equipas alemas e russas ficam por extenso sempre) e dá jeito pelo menos uma vez algures no texto ter o nome do clube escrito por extenso. Agora, tambem sabes que maioria dos editores nao segue essa segunda parte da tua regra, e nos textos tambem encurta o nome dos clubes, e nao andas certamente atras de todos eles a tirar os "pipes" e a deixar sempre os nomes dos clubes em extenso. O problema aqui é que essa regra é mais que nada uma escolha de estilo pessoal tua e nao tens uma regra escrita que dicte isso para a qual possas apontar. Portanto, tu podes claro seguir editando assim, mas se ves que ha uma tendencia por parte da maioria que é contraria a essa tua forma de editar, tens de ceder. Ja reverteste nhentas vezes o "Red Star Belgrade" na infobox, e quando mais de 90% dos artigos tem escrito por extenso "Red Star Belgrade" na infobox e es so tu a contrariar essa tendencia, tens que ser mais flexivel e entender que esses artigos nao sao "teus" e que ha como que um consenso nesse concreto caso que vai em contra de ti. Os jogadores que jogaram ou tem ligacoes com Portugal e que tu editas e tens na tua watchlist nao sao um grupo aparte com regras diferentes. Se centenas de jogadores tem na infobox "Red Star Belgrade" nao faz sentido so o par de dezenas de jogadores que tiveram ligacao com Portugal terem algo diferente la. Nao podes ser teimoso a tal ponto. Se calhar o meu edit summary soou muito duro mas nao era minha intencao, expressei-me mal, admito, desculpa, mas queria-te chamar a atencao para isto. A tua regra da jeito, eu proprio a sigo, mas tens que ver quando ha casos especificos que contrariem e deixares de ser o Dom Quixote a lutar contra os remoinhos.
Que se passa com o Vukcevic? Vou agora ver, por acaso achava que isso ja estava resolvido... esquecimento meu entao, vou ver agora. FkpCascais (talk) 11:03, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Obrigado pela rápida resposta! Bom, se essa cena de por só "Red Star" na caixa sou só eu que faço então tenho que deixar de fazer, não posso ir contra a maioria. Obrigado pela informação, não te preocupes com o sumário, acontece aos melhores ;) --Quite A Character (talk) 11:06, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Encontrei uma source para quando ele foi eleito melhor desportista jovem do ano da Servia e Monenegro em 2004, o titulo traduzido é "Quem sou eu? Fui a pérola do Partizan e melhor desportista do pais, mas ganhei so um titulo". É em sérvio, é de um jornal de la que nao tem pagina ca na wiki, o Telegraf. FkpCascais (talk) 11:19, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Ondek esta a parte com o Weiss? FkpCascais (talk) 11:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC) Ja vi, no Saturn. Mas esta sourced, que é preciso? FkpCascais (talk) 11:29, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Boa! O que se passa é o seguinte: acho que a referência do MAISFUTEBOL não conta tudo o que está escrito na história, mas se calhar será suficiente. Vou deixar ao teu critério, achas que chega como está? Se sim, ótimo. Olha, mas se conseguisses uma "ref" para esta parte do Partizan ("but, during 2005–06, faced criticism over his excessive individual play and poor shot selection, as well as overall declining form."), era fantástico. A não ser que o que está escrito seja mentira!

Mais uma vez obrigado, um abraço --Quite A Character (talk) 11:40, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Tens razao, isso é uma constatacao forte que precisava de source (que lembre era verdade sim ahah), vou ver que posso fazer. Mas estou no trabalho, aqui posso acceder a net mas as vezes de repente tenho de desligar, nao extranhes se de repente desaparecer, voltar a aparecer, desapaecer novamente... Abraco grande querido Vasco! FkpCascais (talk) 12:10, 9 October 2018 (UTC)



I think you'd have to ask the national team coach Stanislav Cherchesov. Soslan Dzhanayev was injured for a while for Rubin Kazan, so that's why Konovalov got playing time for the club to begin with. Ivan Daniliants, who is Berdyyev's goalkeeping coach at Rubin, seems to like him, judging by an interview I read. But Dzhanayev was the last goalie that was excluded from the 2018 World Cup squad, making him the 4th-best in the country according to Cherchesov. Konovalov replaced Dzhanayev quite well for the club, so there's definitely a chance he will get called up for the national team. But there's a lot of good goalies to choose from even after Igor Akinfeev's national team retirement. Russian Premier League teams don't like to sign a foreign goalie usually, there's a limit on foreign players and Russian goalies are usually not bad at all....


Geregen2 (talk) 21:25, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


Pozdrav , da li mozemo da stupimo u kontakt putem emaila u vezi posla . Hvala Djaladjala (talk) 05:10, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Albanian/Serbian references[edit]

A few days ago you argued for removing content sourced to Albanian references. You said that Albanian/Serbian ones are not reliable for usage on Albanians-Serbs conflicts articles. Now you are trying to use Serbian sources to make controversial claims. Did you change your mind? In addition to that, lately you are making personal attacks and assumptions about other editors, as you have done on the talk page of Albania. Calm down, reflect and discuss assuming good faith. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 16:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

I am very calm, and believe me, I am assuming all good-faith. I never said local sources are invalid per se. Specially when the article indicates it is local sources claiming something. I said local sources should be avoided for controversisal claims and used as fact (not a case here since I added it is Serbian sources claiming that). FkpCascais (talk) 16:52, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Using Serbian sources (some quite old) "as fact" on "controversisal" topics is exactly what you've been doing though. [Including one written in 1929, being used to claim the "enthusiastic" welcome for the Serbian army].--Calthinus (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
No worries. They are difficult topics and we all lose our patience sometimes. What is of importance is that in the end cooperation and respect for each other prevail. We agreed a few days ago that Albanian and Serbian references should be avoided on articles of Albanians-Serbs conflicts. The academic institutions of the said countries are not capable of producing sholarship without bias and a tendence to claim untrue things regarding the ties between the two nations. It is part of the Balkan reality, sadly. I suggest we ignore those sources for the benefit of Wikipedia. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:06, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
(ec) :::Once said "Serbian sources say..." it is not used as fact. I fixed that, and you removed it anyway in a Wikipedia:IDONTLIKEIT fashion without assuming good-faith.
OK, the part of lots of bias is true. But how can you not see "Drački okrug" refered in all those sources? Also, I disagree ignoring those sources if explicitly said "X side saiy this". I am never against local sources if used that way. I am only agaist when not refered it is local sources claiming something controversial and making the reader think of it as a fact. FkpCascais (talk) 17:11, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
You are the first person to bring up Resnjari's WP:SYNTH argument on this thread. It is off-topic. The fact is, you are arguing for sources, many of them very old, including one from 1929, which are part of Serbian historiography, and trying to present their claims as factual. That the Albanian population "enthusiastically welcomed" Serbian conquest is of course wildly controversial. I am raising this, because I believe you could still realize your error.--Calthinus (talk) 18:26, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Resnjari doesnt have a case of SYNTH because besides sources dealing directly with the isse, they also iinclude references to the "okrug" which I pointed out but he seems to fail to see.
Regarding the edit, see my last edit in the article. I clearly wrote that Serbian sources claim that. That is a truth fact. FkpCascais (talk) 18:46, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Yugoslav First League[edit]

Zasto si na Yugoslav First League dopisao Vardaru titulu 1987 a Zvezdi nisi 1986? Radi se o istom slucaju Sajber za te 2 sezone. Drugo, lepo sam odvojio u tabeli Interkontinental Kup od Superkupa Evrope jer su to 2 razlicita takmicenja. Jedno je pod okriljem UEFE a drugo FIFE. Nepregledno je tako. Onda si mogao da spojis i Ligu sampiona sa Kupom Uefa po tvojoj logici.

@VucoCar: u pravu ste. Sad vidim da je neko pre vas to bio promenio. Treba da stoji krajnja tabela. Korigovao sam. Hvala sto ste mi pozvali paznju. FkpCascais (talk) 02:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hvala , odlicno odradjeno.


I worked on monograph about FK Vardar and I have relevant stats from the foundation of the club to the present day. Gokso (talk) 13:39, 1 November 2018 (UTC)Gokso

I can send you pdf version if you want. Sorry for late response, but I was blocked from GiantSnowman for 48 hours. Gokso (talk) 09:52, 6 November 2018 (UTC)Gokso


Zasto Brises, uradio sam statistiku za Srbe! Ne za hrvate za bosance... Jel bobek igrao bar jednu utakmicu za Srbiju????? Jel igrao Vujović, pa i Srbi.. Stojković jel ima jedan meč za Srbiju kao samostalnu zemlju? Objasni mi, zajebi to sto je Srbija kaoo naslednik jugoslavije Luccass (talk) 16:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)