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Why was my addition reverted?[edit]

Hi, my name is Csongor Halmai, I made a little addition to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Scott article yesterday which you have reverted with the comment "Unsourced addition, probably not notable."

Earlier I made some contributions to both the English and the Hungarian wikipedia but I never got such a feedback. What does this mean exactly?

Do you think a memorial song dedicated to someone is not important enough to mention it in the wikipedia?

Or do you think the band I mentioned is not important? Well, they have been existing for ~30 years and they still publish new albums and give concerts. They are one of the best known Hungarian rock bands. I admit, Hungary is a much smaller country than Australia (ACDC land) and much fewer people speak Hungarian worldwide than English but I still believe that such a song should be mentioned in the article that is about Bon Scott. Mentioning this song in the Bon Scott article would make all Hungarian metal fans proud of this song. :)

If you are interested in the song then please, listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6AgvqW0RS4 I wanted to link this youtube video to the article but I changed my mind because I read that wikipedia does not really like YT videos.

Please, explain me why you reverted my contribution or what changes should be done in order to leave it there.

Thanks,

Csongor (was born in Hungary but have been living in Australia for ~4 years)

Halmai~huwiki (talk) 06:13, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Halmai~huwiki and thanks for your post. Your edit was reverted because it did not have a source, and because I'm not sure that the song is notable. Has anyone that is independent of the band written about the song? Was the song a single? Has the song received any special attention? Best wishes Flat Out (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi Flat Out, thanks for your response. I am not related to the band in any way, regardless of liking their music for decades. :) I linked the wikipedia page of the band and that of their album as well that show this song was one of a complete LP and that album has been released a long time (i.e. decades) ago. So, the existence of those wikipedia pages may confirm you that it is not my own creation. If somebody needs more reference then the band's website has more info: http://pokolgep.hu/Home/Albumok. The song is still relevant, for example it was played on their last concert as well: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pokolgep/2017/strand-hajdudorog-hungary-4be43f7e.html and is played frequently.
Several members of the younger heavy metal fun generation in Hungary may have heard about Bon Scott from this Pokolgep song at the first time. For them, this is definitely a relevant source. Don't forget that Hungary is a very small county, about the size of Victoria. From such a small country up there and a singer from down under, I think it is a huge think to have a song there about him.
Is there any other way how I could confirm you that my contribution should be kept?
Halmai~huwiki (talk) 00:14, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi Halmai~huwiki, I agree its a great thing that the band wrote the song but the song has to be notable to be included. Flat Out (talk) 02:30, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi Flat Out, I read the notability document you linked. It is declared to be an "article notability guideline", that is, it should be applied for new articles whether to create them or not, not for minor additions to existing articles. It explicitly says: "notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article" and a bit later "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article".
Perhaps you wanted to refer to the Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Undue_weight section? If you compare the Flat Earth concept mentioned in that section to the piece of information I added to the article then the difference is totally clear. What I wrote is a fact supported by several external independent sources while the Flat Earth concept is a belief of a minority. Thus, the undue weight is also not applicable in my case. So please, let my content be part of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halmai~huwiki (talkcontribs) 13:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Please supply the external independent sources. Flat Out (talk) 02:50, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry for late answer, I had no time for wikipedia recently. :) So, the songs of the albums of the band can be visited on their official website: http://pokolgep.hu/Home/Albumok shows that the song #06 on their LP from 1988 is about Bon Scott (B. S. emlekere). I am not related to the band in any manner so I think it is an independent source. You can check on the http://www.domain.hu/domain/English/domainsearch/whois.html?domain=pokolgep.hu&ekes=pokolgep.hu page that the domain belongs to the band, the registrant of the site is Gabor Kukovecz who established the band more than 40 years ago, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokolg%C3%A9p for this. The latest concert of the band where they played this song is https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/pokolgep/2017/strand-hajdudorog-hungary-4be43f7e.html. You can see the song in the 7th position of the list. There are a lot of videos on the youtube where you can listen to this song, even a live concert video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPhC8q7T_1E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLyTzmgm2rY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeKF59KTjQY. Please let me know if you need more information, otherwise just let my changes to go live. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halmai~huwiki (talkcontribs) 04:52, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── these links merely confirm the song exists. Flat Out (talk) 05:25, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't think I understand what else you expect from me to prove. The links I provided proove that the band I mentioned exist, the song I mentioned exist, the song is still played on lives shows. What else should I prove to revert my removed contribution? Halmai~huwiki (talk) 07:06, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi, could you answer my above question, please? Thanks. Halmai~huwiki (talk) 03:07, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
(by talk page stalker) @Halmai~huwiki: It seems Flat Out is away from Wikipedia for the time being so I'll answer your question. Per WP:VNOTSUFF, verifiability is not a guarantee of inclusion. I understand that you want to see content about this song in the article but we operate on consensus and you don't have consensus to add this content, even if it is true. If anything, adding a sentence about some minor band in Hungary seems only to advertise for that band than add any real content about Bon Scott. I can see a couple other sentences in that section that ought to be removed, too. In fact, I could make an argument to have the article about Pokolgép deleted entirely. I recommend discussing the issue on the talk page. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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