It is absolutely unhelpful for you to butt in to an ongoing dispute like this. The editor has made no attempts at communication. Your argument on their behalf is a WP:OSE argument, on behalf of a WP:LOCALCONCENSUS that goes against site-policy. That you would butt in here rather than discuss it with either myself or MPFitz1968 first I find to be pretty outrageous. Please stop "helping" here, and let the process play out. Or at least join the discussion. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
- That editor has done nothing, other than not communicating, to deserve a block. Rowspan is used everywhere on Wikipedia, just this one article isn't going to help change anything for visually-impaired readers. Flooded with them hundreds 16:03, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
- So, you're arguing "Because it's already done wrong everywhere, we shouldn't try to do it right at even a few articles"?!... Regardless, butting into this the way you did was extremely unhelpful – you should either have gone to the Talk page to make your point, or contacted myself or MPFitz directly... And, to be clear, editors have gotten blocked for failure to adhere to WP:Communication is required. So, no – "not communicating", and continuing to revert to your preferred version of an article, is not "OK", and is the definition of WP:Disruptive editing. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:13, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
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Help, please help.[edit]
Dear Flooded,
I am sorry to be wasting peoples time, but am doing my best to learn how to do this. Can you please help me understand what is wrong with my submission, which is below?
What should I do to get this article posted? I keep trying and get no help at all and am confused by all the options of nonspecific guidance. I am sure I am not as clever as everyone else on here, but I am doing my best.
Can someone tell me what more do I need to show that this topic is notable?
Why it has been referred to as “garbage“ (which is hardly an objective statement, given that it is only a short text)?
Why is submitting updates in response to objections considered worthy of deletion?
I am new to this whole process so I think a little constructive support is not an unreasonable expectation.
Here is the text I propose as a new article topic, along with its supporting external references. Please could someone tell me what is wrong with it, and how I fix it. Thank you.
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Xeikon
Xeikon was founded by Lucien de Schamphelaere in 1988 to develop a digital colour printing press. In 1993 the company introduced its technology at an international trade show. Indigo, now HP Indigo, also introduced a digital colour printing press at this show. Together these two companies established a new printing method and revolutionised the printing industrythe principles of which have been widely followed leading to new applications for print, such as photobooks.
References & Sources
"https://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/20/business/company-news-xeikon-adr-s-surge-on-first-day-of-trading.html". The New York Times. March 20, 1996: COMPANY NEWS; XEIKON A.D.R.'S SURGE ON FIRST DAY OF TRADING
Intro: The American depository receipts of Xeikon N.V., a Belgian maker of digital printing systems, surged 34 percent yesterday in their first day of trading. The company, which is seeking to capture part of the short-run color printing market, sold 6.4 million A.D.R.'s at $15 each to raise $96 million.
"https://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/29/business/xerox-is-offering-a-new-category-of-color-printer.html" The New York Times. April 29, 1996. Xerox Is Offering a New Category of Color Printer Hoping to find a color-printing niche with machines that sell for about $200,000 each, the Xerox Corporation has introduced its Docu-color printer, which can transform electronic files into full color pages at a rate of 40 sheets a minute. (…) For the most demanding color-printing customers, even faster machines with better quality are available in the $350,000 to $400,000 price range. The AM DCP-1, Agfa Chromapress and IBM 3170, all of which use a print engine made by Xeikon of Belgium, and the Indigo E-Print 1000 each print up to 70 pages a minute.
"presse-archiv/artikel/FAZ/20000129/agfa-digitaldruck-geht-an-xeikon/FR220000129311326.html" Frankfurter Allgemeine. January 29, 2000. Agfa-Digitaldruck geht an Xeikon (‘Agfa Digital Printing goes to Xeikon’) Das Geschäftsfeld Digitale Drucksysteme soll an die auf diesem Gebiet zu den international führenden Anbietern gehörende Xeikon N.V. verkauft werden. Im Gegenzug werde Agfa-Gevaert weitere an der amerikanischen Nasdaq notierte Xeikon-Aktien erhalten und damit die Beteiligung an diesem Unternehmen von 20,1 Prozent auf höchstens 25,5 Prozent aufstocken.
"http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dst30012002_084" De Standaard. January 30, 2002. De neergang van Xeikon (‘Xeikon’s fall’) Timeline of Xeikon’s rise and fall since its 1996 Nasdaq listing
"https://www.tijd.be/algemeen/algemeen/george-soros-bederft-agfa-s-vlaamse-wereldprimeur/5120574.html" De Tijd, June 23, 1993. George Soros spoils Agfa’s world premiere De Hongaars-Amerikaanse spekulant George Soros en Benny Landa bederven de Vlaamse wereldprimeur van Agfa-dochter Xeikon uit Mortsel.
"https://www.tijd.be/algemeen/algemeen/Vlaanderen-is-even-goed-in-high-tech-als-Silicon-Valley/5120632" De Tijd, June 24, 1993. Flanders can match Silicon Valley’s high tech Met de ontwikkeling van de eerste digitale kleurendrukpers bewijzen we in Vlaanderen even goed te zijn als de high-tech bedrijven in Silicon Valley. Het is dus ook mogelijk in Vlaanderen', stelt Xeikon-voorzitter Lucien De Schamphelaere.
"https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/may/03/printing-revolution-landa-xeikon-drupa" The Guardian, May 3, 2012. Rivals launch a printing revolution that could be as significant as Gutenberg Landa and Xeikon to unveil new inkjet and toner technology at drupa exhibition in Düsseldorf This week will see the launch of a revolution in printing that may turn out to be as significant as the invention of the Gutenberg printing press - if entrepreneurs and analysts are to be believed.
Sources
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/lucien-a-de-schamphelaere</ref>
https://www.barrons.com/articles/SB944267223291941315
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https://www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/0309/6105062s1.html#def9bc214b26</ref>
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=49581547</ref>
http://www.rit.edu/news/newsevents/1997/Oct01/story.php?file=cary</ref>
http://whattheythink.com/articles/83713-we-lost-derek-kyte-lucien-de-schamphelaere/</ref>
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5617189A/en/</ref>
http://www.imaging.org/site/IST/Membership/Honors_and_Awards/Honorary_Membership/IST/Membership/Awards/Honorary_Membership.aspx</ref>
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=49581547</ref>
http://toc.proceedings.com/16615webtoc.pdf </ref>
http://www.duomedia.com/news-detail/xeikon-international-bv/15484/xeikon-showcases-digital-label-advantage-at-busy-labelexpo-americas-2018-exhibition/english</ref>
https://www.verpackungsrundschau.de/news/news+categories/people/digital+printing+pioneer+lucien+de+schamphelaere+has+died+at+the+age+of+85+.168807.htm#.W-Glf6ecYUs</ref>
http://www.gbv.de/dms/tib-ub-hannover/505067803.pdf
<source lang="trac wiki"> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/DE69400680.html
<source lang="trac wiki"> https://www.wesayhowhigh.com/blog/article/print-explained-offset-litho-vs-digital</ref>
https://www8.hp.com/us/en/commercial-printers/indigo-presses/products.html</ref>
https://panjiva.com/Xeikon-International-Bv/4976262</ref>
http://www.paper.co.uk/products/digital-media-xeikon/</ref>
https://www.finat.com/members/details/xeikon-international-bv</ref>
https://www.drupa.com/vis/v1/en/exhibitors/drupa2016.2410980</ref>
https://www.interpack.com/vis/v1/en/exhibitors/interpack2017.2487457</ref>
https://www.pastprintfuture.com/blog/2018/7/19/focus-on-a-digital-future</ref>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPML </ref>
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Laurel Brunner (talk) 12:03, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- The last reviewer Legacypac might have something better to say than me. Flooded with them hundreds 07:28, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
A cup of coffee for you![edit]
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You are an extraordinarily prolific and insightful Wikipedia contributor for someone with an account less than a year old. Thanks for all the good things you do in Wikipedia and for publicly following the processes here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:56, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
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- Thanks! Flooded with them hundreds 07:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
A barnstar for you![edit]
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The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
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| Excellent work! Jebcubed (talk) 14:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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- Thank you! Flooded with them hundreds 14:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
My attempts to submit an entry[edit]
Dear Flooded,
Please can you help?
Is my entry under consideration?
Here it is again. Please tell me what is wrong with it.
| (talk page watcher) Article in userspace. ——SerialNumber54129 15:42, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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Xeikon
Xeikon was founded by Lucien de Schamphelaere in 1988 to develop a digital colour printing press. In 1993 the company introduced its technology at an international trade show. Indigo, now HP Indigo, also introduced a digital colour printing press at this show. Together these two companies established a new printing method and revolutionised the printing industry. Digital printiing is now commonplace and has lead to new applications for print, such as photobooks.
References & Sources
"https://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/20/business/company-news-xeikon-adr-s-surge-on-first-day-of-trading.html". The New York Times. March 20, 1996: COMPANY NEWS; XEIKON A.D.R.'S SURGE ON FIRST DAY OF TRADING
Intro: The American depository receipts of Xeikon N.V., a Belgian maker of digital printing systems, surged 34 percent yesterday in their first day of trading. The company, which is seeking to capture part of the short-run color printing market, sold 6.4 million A.D.R.'s at $15 each to raise $96 million.
"https://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/29/business/xerox-is-offering-a-new-category-of-color-printer.html" The New York Times. April 29, 1996. Xerox Is Offering a New Category of Color Printer Hoping to find a color-printing niche with machines that sell for about $200,000 each, the Xerox Corporation has introduced its Docu-color printer, which can transform electronic files into full color pages at a rate of 40 sheets a minute. (…) For the most demanding color-printing customers, even faster machines with better quality are available in the $350,000 to $400,000 price range. The AM DCP-1, Agfa Chromapress and IBM 3170, all of which use a print engine made by Xeikon of Belgium, and the Indigo E-Print 1000 each print up to 70 pages a minute.
"presse-archiv/artikel/FAZ/20000129/agfa-digitaldruck-geht-an-xeikon/FR220000129311326.html" Frankfurter Allgemeine. January 29, 2000. Agfa-Digitaldruck geht an Xeikon (‘Agfa Digital Printing goes to Xeikon’) Das Geschäftsfeld Digitale Drucksysteme soll an die auf diesem Gebiet zu den international führenden Anbietern gehörende Xeikon N.V. verkauft werden. Im Gegenzug werde Agfa-Gevaert weitere an der amerikanischen Nasdaq notierte Xeikon-Aktien erhalten und damit die Beteiligung an diesem Unternehmen von 20,1 Prozent auf höchstens 25,5 Prozent aufstocken.
"http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dst30012002_084" De Standaard. January 30, 2002. De neergang van Xeikon (‘Xeikon’s fall’) Timeline of Xeikon’s rise and fall since its 1996 Nasdaq listing
"https://www.tijd.be/algemeen/algemeen/george-soros-bederft-agfa-s-vlaamse-wereldprimeur/5120574.html" De Tijd, June 23, 1993. George Soros spoils Agfa’s world premiere De Hongaars-Amerikaanse spekulant George Soros en Benny Landa bederven de Vlaamse wereldprimeur van Agfa-dochter Xeikon uit Mortsel.
"https://www.tijd.be/algemeen/algemeen/Vlaanderen-is-even-goed-in-high-tech-als-Silicon-Valley/5120632" De Tijd, June 24, 1993. Flanders can match Silicon Valley’s high tech Met de ontwikkeling van de eerste digitale kleurendrukpers bewijzen we in Vlaanderen even goed te zijn als de high-tech bedrijven in Silicon Valley. Het is dus ook mogelijk in Vlaanderen', stelt Xeikon-voorzitter Lucien De Schamphelaere.
"https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/may/03/printing-revolution-landa-xeikon-drupa" The Guardian, May 3, 2012. Rivals launch a printing revolution that could be as significant as Gutenberg Landa and Xeikon to unveil new inkjet and toner technology at drupa exhibition in Düsseldorf This week will see the launch of a revolution in printing that may turn out to be as significant as the invention of the Gutenberg printing press - if entrepreneurs and analysts are to be believed.
Sources
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/lucien-a-de-schamphelaere</ref>
https://www.barrons.com/articles/SB944267223291941315
</ref>
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/0309/6105062s1.html#def9bc214b26</ref>
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=49581547</ref>
http://www.rit.edu/news/newsevents/1997/Oct01/story.php?file=cary</ref>
http://whattheythink.com/articles/83713-we-lost-derek-kyte-lucien-de-schamphelaere/</ref>
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5617189A/en/</ref>
http://www.imaging.org/site/IST/Membership/Honors_and_Awards/Honorary_Membership/IST/Membership/Awards/Honorary_Membership.aspx</ref>
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=49581547</ref>
http://toc.proceedings.com/16615webtoc.pdf </ref>
http://www.duomedia.com/news-detail/xeikon-international-bv/15484/xeikon-showcases-digital-label-advantage-at-busy-labelexpo-americas-2018-exhibition/english</ref>
https://www.verpackungsrundschau.de/news/news+categories/people/digital+printing+pioneer+lucien+de+schamphelaere+has+died+at+the+age+of+85+.168807.htm#.W-Glf6ecYUs</ref>
http://www.gbv.de/dms/tib-ub-hannover/505067803.pdf
<source lang="trac wiki"> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/DE69400680.html
<source lang="trac wiki"> https://www.wesayhowhigh.com/blog/article/print-explained-offset-litho-vs-digital</ref>
https://www8.hp.com/us/en/commercial-printers/indigo-presses/products.html</ref>
https://panjiva.com/Xeikon-International-Bv/4976262</ref>
http://www.paper.co.uk/products/digital-media-xeikon/</ref>
https://www.finat.com/members/details/xeikon-international-bv</ref>
https://www.drupa.com/vis/v1/en/exhibitors/drupa2016.2410980</ref>
https://www.interpack.com/vis/v1/en/exhibitors/interpack2017.2487457</ref>
https://www.pastprintfuture.com/blog/2018/7/19/focus-on-a-digital-future</ref>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPML </ref>
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Thank you.
Laurel Brunner (talk) 15:28, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- The content is written in a slightly promotional manner and the formatting looks terrible. I am not sure if these sources can help to establish notability as required by WP:ORGCRIT, I'd recommend fixing the formatting, eliminating sources that do not help establish notability per the guideline (such as blog posts, primary sources, press releases) and adding (more) sources that do. As the submission is being considered for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Xeikon, it might be helpful to comment how you'd improve it to the point deletion is not needed. Flooded with them hundreds 17:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
PetarM/sandbox[edit]
Just a heads up you seem to have created an article titled PetarM/sandbox ... should I move it to Xiaomi Pocophone F1? Seraphim System (talk) 06:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't create it but sure go ahead. Flooded with them hundreds 06:41, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe someone should remove my name from the first revision because I only moved it out of the sandbox. Flooded with them hundreds 06:42, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Carl Sargent[edit]
You said I didn't give a citation for his death - in fact I cited the official web site for the fighting fantasy books, which published most of his work, I've also heard this through two industry mailing lists, which I can't cite because they're not publicly accessible. Exactly how much citation do you need? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcus Rowland (talk • contribs) 12:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
--Marcus Rowland (talk) 13:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, looks good to me! I thought the blog is just some random fan site. Flooded with them hundreds 13:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- I've amended the article to show this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcus Rowland (talk • contribs) 13:46, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Merge proposal[edit]
There is a merge proposal at Irish Bull Terrier that you may be interested in. Atsme✍🏻📧 14:07, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Bal des débutantes[edit]
Thanks for your contributions. However, regarding Talk:Bal des débutantes doesn't it seem like the consensus was turning out different than your first conclusion, meaning with some kind of ambiguator? Would you mind relisting it again, please? Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:33, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- Relisting for the second time is discouraged and the least I can do is reclose it as no consensus as the voters thought the disambiguation was unnecessary and only one other editor proposed an alternative title. Flooded with them hundreds 18:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
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