User talk:Flowerdoodle

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I am not Biff Rose. My only mission is to to write the truth of history in these pages, and combat the Zoinks who have a petty beef against Biff and want to rob him of his rightful biography and accomplishments. Forget about his politics--this is about his history and truth

Biff Rose[edit]

Hello Flowerdoodle,

I have reverted your edit to the Biff Rose article. Your edit deleted the PersonData information which needs to be in every biographical article. You also deleted the categories which are extremely useful to articles. You also screwed up the references. Additionally, you introduced a lot of original research, POV pushing, and prose with an unencyclopedic tone (e.g., the phrase "banjo-toting" should never appear anywhere in Wikipedia or any other encyclopedia).

Before jumping in and changing it all back to how you want it let's take some time and work through the improvements you think the article needs and we can make sure it conforms to Wikipedia standards. Let's start slowly, post a couple of things on the talk page, along with reliable sources, and I'll help craft the prose in an appropriate manner. If we just tackle a few things at a time then we can build a good quality article without the needless edit warring.

What do you say?

Thanks, SQGibbon (talk) 11:48, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

December 2012[edit]

Your addition to Biff Rose has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text, or images borrowed from other websites, or printed material without a verifiable license; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. You added material that was taken, verbatim, from http://jhendrix110.tripod.com/BiffRose.html. I do not see any licensing information on that site allowing us to copy over their material thus this copyright violation. Plus, the tone is completely wrong for this encyclopedia. Please discuss future ideas for this article on the talk page for the article SQGibbon (talk) 06:16, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

June 2013[edit]

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Your recent editing history at Biff Rose shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. SQGibbon (talk) 17:45, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Biff Rose[edit]

Hello, before this goes any further, please discuss the reasoning behind your edits. For instance, why do you keep removing so many categories? Why are you removing the person data fields? Are you aware that some of your sources do not qualify as reliable sources as per Wikipedia policy? Or do you think they are? If so then please provide an explanation for your position. Your discography section is not in line with standard Wikipedia practice, is there a reason the Biff Rose article should be an exception to this?

And there are more. The bigger point is that several editors have found your edits problematic (not just me) and you've been asked several times to engage in conversation in order to improve the article in such a way that conforms to Wikipedia policies and guidelines. So I'm asking again, work with the rest of us, please. SQGibbon (talk) 00:01, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

It looks like Rose is self editing. Flowerdoodle uses phrases and the kind of speech Rose is know for, and keeps blanking things that have been sourced and attributed by accepted references from his page. Helvitaer (talk) 21:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Biff Rose[edit]

This is ridiculous. This is a smear campaign. Admit it! You are offended by Biff's controversial views on Jews/Hitler. You are simply picking and choosing what to take away and leave in. You criticize me for not following stringent wiki guides and citations but yet you revise it to your own whims--i.e. giving most credit for Fill Your Heart to Paul and diminishing Biffs role ("with a melody by Biff Rose) and insisting on including your editorializations per his writings pertaining to jews/Hitler.

Lets meet in the middle: 1. You leave the Fill Your Heart stuff alone--leave it as as written by Biff Rose and Paul Williams. 2. Include info that Bowie covered his songs in his Live bootleg cd and 3. Don't rob Biff of his accomplishments (particularly his 12 appearances on Carson, Smothers Brothers, emceeing Atlanta Pop Festival, etc).

If its simply a matter of not providing the correct citations, or needing better ones, than ill be happy to work with you. Ive seen a lot of wiki pages that dont seem to have a problem doing a lot of the same things ive done, which you criticize and claim are a "no-no." Ex: Using quotes.

I truly believe you are just enemies of Biff and have been offended through his writings on Facebook and elsewhere.

Hello. I have absolutely no idea who Biff Rose is except the little I've gleaned from this article. I have never heard any of his music and probably never will. That he might be a racist (as indicated in your post here) means nothing to me with regard to editing this article in Wikipedia. I had never heard of the man till a friend of mine used an earlier version of the Biff Rose article as a means to ridicule the entirety of Wikipedia. That version of the article was that bad and reflected that poorly on Wikipedia. I became involved in order to minimize some of the embarrassment for the project.
And that is what I do on Wikipedia. I patrol recent changes to Wikipedia and revert vandalism. Occasionally I'll put more effort into individual articles that happen to be in really, really bad shape. I despise MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) but I now have thousands of edits in MMA in an attempt to clean up some of the mess there. That's one example, Indian film, obscure European royalty, boy bands, professional wrestling are more examples of things I don't care about or actively despise but whose articles I have put a lot of effort into improving. It's what I do on Wikipedia.
So again, I don't care at all about who Biff Rose is, what he's done or said, or anything at all about his music. And I never will care. What I do care about is Wikipedia and making it the best encyclopedia it can be. That means fixing this article. (Also, yes, out of the 4 million+ articles on Wikipedia a lot of them are in bad shape but that doesn't mean we shouldn't fix any of them!)
OK, all that out of the way, let's start with the basics. All articles on Wikipedia are tagged with categories. I am going to add those back to this article. All Wikipedia articles about people have the "Person Data" fields filled in. I am going to add those back in as well. These are very basic elements of Wikipedia. Let me know if you have any objections to that. SQGibbon (talk) 13:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I dont care about the personal data and some such information. I guess thats good to know SqGibbons that you are operating from a balanced, unbiased perspective. However the edits you seem to favor are strangely the older ones which paint Biff in a poor light and diminish his achievements. Its not all Zoinx fault, though mostly it is as he clearly "has it out for Biff." You would also appear to have some personal/political score to settle, though you claim not too. Im sorry I cant believe you. If you are being honest and care about the truth and doing justice to encyclopedic standards than here are a couple of points in which you can be of assistance:

1.)There are numerous references and sources on line, even from interviews from Paul Williams himself, which state that Fill Your Heart was Biff's song primarily; that Biff started and Paul joined in later. Biff wrote all the music and even wrote the first line of lyrics, setting the tone and theme of the song. If anything, it was written by Biff Rose with Paul Williams as a secondary contributor. (No slight on Paul Williams. He was an effective partner to Biff. Their song I'll Walk Away is brilliant (not that you care. God knows what kind of junk you put in your ears))

2. Biff was instrumental in giving Paul Williams his start in music/songwriting. I have provided the citation and referenced this on this page but it continues to be taken down. Paul Williams wrote of these facts in the liner notes to his greatest hits package. If thats not a valid reference than I dont know what is!

3. Biff was (though on a smaller scale) a culturally relevant force in the 60's. Everyone knows what it meant to be on Johnny Carson in that era. He was on the show 12 times. There are records supporting this information. He appeared on the major programs of the era. Zoinx appears to be finally relenting a bit in allowing some of this info to remain, although he insists on not permitting the number of 12 to be included for Biffs number of appearances on Carson.

These are the important aspects concerning Mr. Rose's legacy. Everyone has a right to secure his or her own legacy and the facts of ones history. He shouldnt be penalized due to his later philosophies and use of language. What he writes online is often misconstrued and misunderstood in a profound way. He has made some enemies because a few people disagree with his sensibilities, ideas and ways of communication. Mel Brooks can make fun of Hitler but Biff Rose can't?? Why??

Flowerdoodle

Adressed to SqGibbons per Biff Rose[edit]

I dont care about the personal data and some such information. I guess thats good to know SqGibbons that you are operating from a balanced, unbiased perspective. However the edits you seem to favor are strangely the older ones which paint Biff in a poor light and diminish his achievements. Its not all Zoinx fault, though mostly it is as he clearly "has it out for Biff." You would also appear to have some personal/political score to settle, though you claim not too. Im sorry I cant believe you. If you are being honest and care about the truth and doing justice to encyclopedic standards than here are a couple of points in which you can be of assistance:

1.)There are numerous references and sources on line, even from interviews from Paul Williams himself, which state that Fill Your Heart was Biff's song primarily; that Biff started and Paul joined in later. Biff wrote all the music and even wrote the first line of lyrics, setting the tone and theme of the song. If anything, it was written by Biff Rose with Paul Williams as a secondary contributor. (No slight on Paul Williams. He was an effective partner to Biff. Their song I'll Walk Away is brilliant (not that you care. God knows what kind of junk you put in your ears))

2. Biff was instrumental in giving Paul Williams his start in music/songwriting. I have provided the citation and referenced this on this page but it continues to be taken down. Paul Williams wrote of these facts in the liner notes to his greatest hits package. If thats not a valid reference than I dont know what is!

3. Biff was (though on a smaller scale) a culturally relevant force in the 60's. Everyone knows what it meant to be on Johnny Carson in that era. He was on the show 12 times. There are records supporting this information. He appeared on the major programs of the era. Zoinx appears to be finally relenting a bit in allowing some of this info to remain, although he insists on not permitting the number of 12 to be included for Biffs number of appearances on Carson.

These are the important aspects concerning Mr. Rose's legacy. Everyone has a right to secure his or her own legacy and the facts of ones history. He shouldnt be penalized due to his later philosophies and use of language. What he writes online is often misconstrued and misunderstood in a profound way. He has made some enemies because a few people disagree with his sensibilities, ideas and ways of communication. Mel Brooks can make fun of Hitler but Biff Rose can't?? Why??

Flowerdoodle

I don't know who Biff Rose is nor do I care about him, his music, or the things he's said. Let me give you some examples of other horrible articles I've dealt with on Wikipedia. Here's the Rick Schmidlin article before I got involved with it, and here's the version I replaced it with. Here's the Marty Munsch article before I became involed with, and here's the version I replaced it with. I know absolutely nothing about either of those two people other what is in those articles. In both cases I found articles that were in very bad shape and were an embarrassment to Wikipedia and stripped them down to something acceptable. The Biff Rose article was in equally bad shape and I performed the same surgery on it. Do you not see the similarities among the three articles? I do not know or care about any of these people, I only care about Wikipedia and making it as good as possible. It's what I do. I fix the ugliest crap on Wikipedia. SQGibbon (talk) 21:35, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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