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This Barnstar is awarded to User:Fountains of Bryn Mawr for their tireless efforts to improve numerous astronomy - related articles.Trilobitealive (talk) 01:27, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, someone pays attention. I've been impressed with your work on lots of these articles, especially the small efforts which take a lot of thought but aren't noticeable to the casual reader. (If you decide to move this barnstar to your user page you can modify the gender of the award if desired, with information on the Template:The Working Man's Barnstar page. Regards. Trilobitealive (talk) 01:27, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

You get the Dutch Barnstar of the day. BLESS YOU my friend...may your Quill stay strong for the many...and the O One. E. Plubrius Unun (from the Enumerator) Many Thanks! Publican Farmer (talk) 05:20, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Good Article promotion[edit]

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List of telescope parts and construction[edit]

You have made the article look really good. I'm proud to be a small part of the effort but you have devoted substantial work to these articles where I'm just a small time dabbler. I haven't reviewed criteria for turning a list article into a glossary article. But this article does have a number of links so I'd hesitate to move it. Perhaps it might be good to create a glossary article as a redirect to this one? Perhaps you could ask the question and post it on the article talk page? Keep up the good work! Trilobitealive (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2012 (UTC)Getty the hetty

A barnstar for you![edit]

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I just wanted to let you know that your work on the Nikola Tesla article is appreciated. You have been very forthcoming in discussing changes with other editors, and you consistently balance the teamwork approach with a bold editing philosophy. Well done! – MrX 15:34, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment. The article in question seems to be getting overall good faith editing, although whats added sometimes seems to need a "flip" end to end to bring it in line with tone. I hope I don't make people airsick with the flips ;) Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:18, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

The Space Barnstar[edit]

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For defending, improving, and creating content related to telescopes and astronomy - Congratulations. Fotaun (talk) 02:00, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar[edit]

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For great contributions over many years in many areas! Fotaun (talk) 21:58, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for your diligent efforts promoting sane editing and compliance with WP policies. Keep up the good work! Noleander (talk) 22:19, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

ty for the compliment. Really didn't see the end result coming. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 22:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


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For contributions to various projects and articles, especially optics. Fotaun (talk) 02:18, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
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For your large contributions to knowledge and editing. Fotaun (talk) 02:18, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

I have an intriguing question for you regarding Foucault knife-edge test[edit]

Hi, I've not been actively editing astronomy articles (and have mostly been doing trivial edits when I do them) for some time now and so I'm behind on all the rules, policies and recommendations for handling questions like this. And I have lost track of all the administrators who know about such things. So I thought to ask you what is a good way to approach a recent edit by User:Sadlylacking on reference 5 of Foucault knife-edge test.

You can see in the article's revision history that the user (1) asserts they are the copyright owner of the reference (2) deletes a link to a previous version of the text of the reference where the copyright was owned by the writer and the person posting the website had permission to do so (3) posts a link to the Amazon website selling the current version of the book with copyright owned by a person other than the author. So this brings to mind questions regarding both advertisement and copyright. Which I can't answer because I'm not an expert on Wikipedia policies nor the laws nor even the rules of etiquette for such matters.

So here is the question. Which is the correct course of action (a) link should be deleted, thus avoiding further hoo ha, (b) edit should be reverted due to advertisement considerations, encyclopedic information considerations or other considerations (c) edit should not be reverted, based on avoidance of strife, consideration for the feelings of the current copyright owner or other reason? I for one am choosing (c) at present but I don't know if this is correct.

Which leads to the next question: If you don't know the answer who would? Is there a particular administrator who does these things.

Regardless of whether you can enlighten me I do enjoy following your edits and the astronomy articles from time to time but right now I've got too many other fish to fry except for an occasional edit here and there. Trilobitealive (talk) 04:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, took a look at it. I reverted it because the linked page says "(Reproduced with Permission)". There is a Wikipedia policy that says "don't link pirated materiel" (forget the link for it right now :() but I saw no evidence of that. I don't think linking an Amazon sales page is kosher and the editor would have to prove who they are to an admin. That's my quick take on it. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 12:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
That makes sense. I saw the disclaimer on the originally linked page. I'm sure there must be a policy about this somewhere but I'm only looking at Wikipedia a short amount of time so I try to avoid trouble. Trilobitealive (talk) 14:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi. The problem is I do own the copyright and the book is published BY ME through Sapphire Publications! So the edit should never have been "reverted" (IMHO). Sorry it took me years to see this. William Welker. Sadlylacking (talk) 01:53, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

I have reverted part of it back. Readable sources should not be replaced with a commercial sales link (see WP:REFSPAM). The edit also lacks page citation. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:07, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Edits to Wireless power[edit]

There have been some edits to your recent work on Wireless power that seem WP:POV to me. I don't know much about the subject so I haven't reverted them. Just thought you ought to know. --ChetvornoTALK 16:01, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

TY, I think I just reverted them. Noticed the changes going on but was slow to edit while other edits were going on. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Wireless power draft[edit]

Here's a proposed rough draft of a rewrite of the "Electrical Conduction" section of Wireless power. What do you think? The problem as I see it is that the article has to make a distinction which is not made in many sources, between (1) Tesla's short-range power transmission experiments, which are historic and have to be included in the article, and (2) his long-range World Wireless experiments, which probably didn't happen or were not successful. Making this distinction raises WP:SYNTH issues. Notes on the sources for these positions:

  • Tesla's short range experiments: Engineering papers widely credit Tesla with doing the first experiments in wireless power transmission and specifically inventing resonant inductive power transfer, (Shinohara, p.2, Lee, Leyh), which is a very active field of research now. Sources clearly classify this as a "near field" technique; the energy transmitted falls as the fifth power (~1/R5) of the distance R between transmitter and receiver (Sun, Sazonov, p.253, Lee). At distances beyond a few times the diameter of the transmitting device the power transferred drops to negligible, so there is no way it could have been used for long-range transmission.
  • Tesla's World Wireless ideas: I was hoping to find a WP:RS that would evaluate Tesla's long-range power ideas, or at least say clearly that he never demonstrated it. No luck. Most engineering sources that mention Tesla simply ignore his long-range power ideas; they follow the usual sensible policy of crediting a historical scientist's recognized achievements and ignoring his unconfirmed, controversial ones. Many of the biographies (Cheney, p.105) don't really say clearly that there is no evidence he transmitted power long-distance. Carlson's book sounds good, but I don't have a hard copy, and the Google Books version blanks out most of the relevant chapters. Other sources that say he didn't (Dunning) are not really WP:RSs. It's hard to prove a negative, maybe the best that we can do is say that there is no evidence he did do it. The few sources that speculate on the World Wireless system say it would have worked either by the UV atmospheric ionization method you mentioned on the Talk page (Cheney, p.106) or by exciting the Schumann resonances, (the resonant frequencies of the spherical cavity formed by the Earth's surface and the ionosphere) by radio waves. Tesla is said to have discovered these resonances, detecting the "ringing" of the Earth due to lightning bolts using a radio receiver.(Cheney, p.106). Supposedly Tesla's patent supports both mechanisms. But none of the sources that go into detail about this stuff is really a WP:RS, the closest is Van Voorhies, p. 147, which says it is "adapted" from Proc. of the IECEC.

I know the section I propose in the draft would be a lightning rod (pun intended) for the Tesla cult and they would continually try to add their pseudoscientific speculations to it. On the other hand, maybe then they would leave the rest of the article alone.

Another option would be to simply not mention Tesla's World Wireless ideas in this article, perhaps deleting this section entirely and moving the sourced Tesla material into the Electromagnetic method section. That would avoid the WP:SYNTH issue but I think it might be WP:POV; considering the title of this article, the World Wireless system at least deserves a historical note. --ChetvornoTALK 22:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, slow to get back to things "Wiki". That section looks good to me. I think its a much better version based on secondary sources. The only problem with a Tesla section in any form is this is a description of a historical idea. As such it belongs in a "History" section, currently a very long bullet list called "Timeline of wireless power". There used to be a History section but it was vandalized out and then replaced by the bullet list. I would propose restoring the History section in some form, inserting your "Tesla" paragraphs into it in their current form, and remove the bullet list. The Bullet list seems to contain allot of WP:OR, bullet items referenced to primary sourced papers. Putting these in sequence implying these are developmental steps in wireless power is WP:SYNTH. Reference to papers can go in a further reading section. We should not be making any claims based on primary sources but readers can always read them and decide for themselves. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 23:25, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. I don't like the timeline either; I was going to suggest drastically pruning it, but eliminating it in favor of a conventional "History" section would be better. In addition to overemphasizing all things Tesla, it also contains a great deal of trivial and/or spam entries, and misses the most important advance in WPT in the last 20 years: Soljačić et al's 2007 development of efficient resonant transmission at MIT.
I've been reading about wireless power and have a list of sources. I'll start converting my draft into a draft History section - unless you'd like to write it? Do you want to announce our intentions on the Talk page, or should I? --ChetvornoTALK 00:37, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Feel free merge the two sections into a rewritten history section and be WP:BOLD. There are no counter responses or citation of counter RS being presented. Lack of response on the talk page is considered consensus. Material that has no reliable secondary sources can be deleted at any time. I'll let you take a whack at it unless you are tied up, let me know. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Will do. It will take a few days to write the History section. --ChetvornoTALK 15:13, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Just to update you, I have been distracted but not idle. I've almost finished the History section which includes 11 or 12 modern WP:RSs that say Tesla was mistaken, never transmitted power long distance, and his World Wireless System would not have worked. These should also be useful on World Wireless System, Tesla coil, Magnifying transmitter, and whatever other articles the erroneous Tesla-philic material has popped up on. --ChetvornoTALK 11:27, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Looks good. Sorry, I have been idle other than participating in a little talk page stuff. On thing I was contemplating was should World Wireless System be moved off to a Wiki sister in its present form? (still no sure which one takes original research). With cleanup its liable to be just Tesla's writings fleshed out, making it a copy of publicly available material WP:NOTMIRROR. Just a thought, maybe there is enough for it to stay at its topic point. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:14, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
That's a thought. I think Wikibooks takes OR. I'm not clear on your purpose - do you just want to get the present article out of the way quickly, or do you actually think there's value in it, written as it is, and it should be preserved? Do you still favor merging World Wireless System into Wardenclyffe tower? --ChetvornoTALK 23:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I see merit in putting up an article of Tesla's writings on World Wireless System with some writing in between explaining it and I wish GLPeterson would take that tack. But yeah, the stuff at World Wireless System may be to confused to adapt to Wikibooks. If the author is un-interested then its should probably be left for now. I see people are trying to clean up what's at World Wireless System so that topic should probably be left where it is without merger for now. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 21:44, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'd like to tackle World Wireless System. But I don't know as much about Tesla's work as you or some of the other editors. I was hoping to find someone to collaborate with, or at least consult. Would you be interested? --ChetvornoTALK 01:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Sure, always glad to help. Mine is more of a historical overview, I think I have a grasp of Tesla's world and what motivated him. World Wireless System gets kinda hard to grasp, at least from my limited view, because Tesla was using electrical and EM theory that as on its way in and the 19th century physics he was taught that was on its way out. The two combined sounds like gibberish but it can probably be unraveled. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 13:33, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


Have you ever heard of this? I learned about it today and since I'm not editing astronomy articles right now I thought to let you know, since you're probably the best astronomy article editor I know. Apparently Wikipedia has had an article about it New Worlds Mission which has been languishing for some time. Very recently there have been dozens of press releases about NASA's Aragoscope project. See UCB news release, Next Big Future news release, Fox News. Trilobitealive (talk) 03:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Wow, fascinating, never head of it. Looks legit (although I am prone to fall for hoaxes ;)). I will look the article over. Thanks. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 03:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
You're quite welcome. On the face of it, it's odd. But apparently, from what I've been reading it is legit. Trilobitealive (talk) 03:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

David Edward Hughes[edit]

Thanks for your recent edits to the article. I respect Hughes' contributions to electrical technology, but his "microphone" seems to be about the same as the earlier telephone transmitter. Edison (talk) 19:17, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

ty. I didn't put allot into making heads or tails of Hughes' microphone, noticed some cleanup by other editors moving it from an invention to an improvement. One source[1] seemed to place it as one of several developments (Edison's, Berliner's). Feel free to better flesh it out. I really knew squat about Hughes but, reading about him, he hit me as the same kind of character as my great uncle, tinkerer and inventor who would patent some things and just mess around with other things and send his ideas off to some magazine on the topic (like Hughes did with the microphone/Telegraph Journal and Electrical Review). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 19:41, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


Thank you, for all you do. (talk) 09:02, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Carlson book?[edit]

You don't know of an unabridged online copy of the Bernard Carlson book on Tesla, do you? I was writing a history section for Tesla coil but the copy on Google Books has the sections I need blanked out. BTW, thanks for telling me about it, that's an excellent book. --ChetvornoTALK 01:02, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, haven't come across a full copy online. I did notice if you open a different brand of browser (Chrome, IE, Dolphin), maybe in incognito mode with he cache cleared, and search for part of the text you want to read that page will pop up. It looks to me like what you see is cookie based, google books will show you the pages if it thinks you haven't seen them before. May work. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:16, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll give that a try. --ChetvornoTALK 16:02, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Lizzie Halliday[edit]

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Cooper book about Tesla[edit]

Happy Thanksgiving! Thought you might be interested in this book: Cooper 2015 The Truth about Tesla. Not much visible on Google Books, maybe I'll try the library. Looks like Cooper, a lawyer, sort of debunks the myth of Tesla as the lone heroic inventor whose miraculous inventions were stolen away by big business. Here's a review. I don't know if I'd buy his argument that Tesla didn't invent the induction motor, but I have found plenty of WP:RSs that he was not the first to invent the Tesla coil; Henry Rowland and Elihu Thomson were building resonant transformer circuits by 1890.

Anyway, along with Bernard Carlson it might be useful as a source on Nikola Tesla. I think someday that article could use a minor rewrite to add some of the less flattering aspects of his life. --ChetvornoTALK 10:05, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

TY and Happy Thanksgiving! Thinks for the info. I think we could write that book 20 times over just based on the corrections so far in Wikipedia!!! It will be something to see Cooper's take. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 22:30, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Marconi edits[edit]

I still believe tesla should be in the introduction — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erickzr (talkcontribs) 22:46, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Many people worked on radio technology, you would need some very reliable sources to single out one, no matter how popular he is. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 23:23, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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World expos edits[edit]

Hi Fountains of Bryn Mawr, I've noticed you've been editing my changes. Yes, I've been adding links to a website, but only on relevant pages, and if you follow those links you would see that each one of them leads to a different and accurate page, pertinent to the information on wikipedia. You should take notice that the links are different each time and should not be considered as spam. Also I've changed some of the information (dates, area etc) using updated information that we have, and I didn't notice any critical changes to the template. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exposuniv (talkcontribs) 07:17, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

I have noticed you reverted and then self reverted. Probably a good move at this point. Per (diff), the problem is you inserted changes to the info box (contrary to the referenced figures in the article), removed the ((convert|690|acre|ha|abbrev=off)) tag, and added (spammed?) a website link which seems to be the source of the wrong figures you are adding. Your user name also seems to point to a WP:COI edit. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 18:54, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for the tips and for letting me know. As you may have seen, I am pretty new to the process and as I am a fan of expos, I am looking at all these info, some of them being quite old. I have been adding the references to the BIE as the organization is supposed to be the most accurate source of information on that matter and did not realize I should not include it in the info box . I am also adding other references that I found on the subject but it takes quite a lot of time. Hope to complete more this summer. I completed some information that were missing on the info box and also realized that sometimes they were huge discrepancies between some sources. For (diff) it is for example indicated that there were 95 participating countries, but other sources states 15 to max 22 Cf (here). Isn’t there confusion between the number of participants and the number of participating countries ? Please do not hesitate to share your comments with me . Cheers . Exposuniv — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exposuniv (talkcontribs) 14:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Topsy Article[edit]

I was wondering about adding a mention of the Bob's Burgers episode "Topsy" to the aforementioned article, and since you were the last person to edit the page, I believe you'd be the best person to ask about this. Specifically, I want to know if I should add it, or if it would be better to leave it out. Sorry if I'm bothering you, by the way.

TanookiNick (talk) 21:13, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

np, good to always ask someone if you need help. Actually, Bob's Burgers is mentioned already in this section. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 21:32, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Half Moon[edit]

So is there somewhere to vote on this issue? Sca (talk) 23:05, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

@Sca:, There is a move discussion at the bottom of Talk:Halve Maen. Its here if the transclude is not showing properly. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:16, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Million Award[edit]

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For your contributions to bring Nikola Tesla (estimated annual readership: 4,653,081) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! Laurdecl talk 05:07, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I second that. I was embarrassed every time I visited the old page by all the ridiculous unencyclopedic fanboy content. Thanks to all your work it now looks great. Kudos! --ChetvornoTALK 08:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

ty, I was surprised when Jclemens mentioned it was a vital article but I guess that makes sense. The GA looked a good time to go forward with the sync we had mentioned before. I tried to follow WP:COPYWITHIN so you and other editors who did all the donkey work of cleaning up the sub-articles got credit. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:43, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Wow, Nikola Tesla a vital people article, on a par with Martin Luther King, Jr.? It doesn't makes sense to me.
BTW, I'm almost done with a rewrite of the History section of Tesla coil, when its done Magnifying transmitter can be merged in. --ChetvornoTALK 01:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Looks good. I put in some wikilinks in those and related articles a while back, merger looks better. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 19:04, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Pseudoscience revert[edit]

Hey, re-reading my edit summary here it sounds more pointy than I intended it to be. Sorry about that. FWIW while I disagree that the refs should be removed in this case, I get the general idea of "the refs are in the linked article" and don't mind it for uncontroversial lists (though usually as an argument against removal of list items without references rather than an argument to remove references themselves). No response needed. Just wanted to follow up on the edit summary. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Or maybe not pointed enough. The revert showed a lack of understanding of core policy, or of what consensus is. I was shocked. Alexbrn (talk) 07:51, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
You can always read the linked guidelines, they explain the different types of consensus. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 19:12, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Request for vet[edit]

Hi, I finished my rewrite of the History section of Tesla coil. I noticed that you last did a rewrite on this section with an excellent account of his invention of the Tesla transformer and I thought we could combine them. I was wondering when you have time (if you're not too tired of Tesla yet!) if you could look over my work and tell me anything you disagree with. It is huge and bloated, but people seem to love all things Tesla, and I thought including a lot of accurate history would forestall people from adding inaccurate history. I'd be grateful for any criticism of any part of it, but if you don't want to read the whole thing I'm particularly interested in your opinions of the Wardenclyffe tower and Use in radio sections, which contain the controversial stuff.

BTW, I'm planning to delete the existing Tesla coil#Wireless power section that seems to be an old copy from Wireless power#History that includes some pseudoscience junk. --ChetvornoTALK 23:13, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Looks good to me and more detail is a good idea, its way better than a series of claims. I chased down a cite for some of the current material I poorly cited re: why Tesla started building high frequency alternators and its covered by Carlson here (page 119-120) - Tesla thought high frequency was an unexplored field that could lead to some new patent-able inventions. Deleting Tesla coil#Wireless power looks like a good idea. FYI hunting down Tesla sources I cam across full online versions of Cheney and Carlson here and here. Not sure if that is readable by everyone or if its just some subscription/cookie I don't know about at my end, have a look. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 14:41, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the links to the online books; I was able to download them (don't know how can get away with posting books still under copyright!). I had about decided to buy the Carlson book. I see why you refer to it a lot - it has a lot of great info and insights not available elsewhere.
That cite on why Tesla started researching high frequencies is great - he deliberately chose the field over high current and high voltages. I'll put it in the History section. --ChetvornoTALK 02:06, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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History of the Microscope[edit]

I have made well referenced edits in regards to Cornelis Drebble and Zacharias Janssen on the microscope article which you have repeatedly reverted.

All three of the references that I cited referred to Zacharias Janssen and his father as the likely inventors, and the reference that you keep using to reinstate Cornelis Drebbel does not actually say that he is a likely inventor, leaving such a claim reference-less.

I have no desire to be involved in an edit war with you, so please stop ignoring the references in Janssen's favour as a likely inventor and cite a valid source for the Cornelis Drebble claims or stop re-adding him unevidenced to the list of possible inventors.

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Please read the sources, it is clearly stated as cited. Continual WP:ICANTHEARYOU can get you in trouble. Further reply here. Please keep comments on the relative talk page. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 00:32, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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Are you a Hollandophobe?[edit]

Do you want to rewrite the history of the invention of the telescope and microscope? Zingvin (talk) 20:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

? Not sure what you mean, you will have to clarify. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 21:37, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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Re: Your Parks photo[edit]

I didn't think that including an image on the four most relevant pages would be classed as adding "indiscriminately," but I get your point now that they might not be encyclopedic. There's no need to comment on my page or accuse me of spamming in the edit descriptions. I will learn by seeing what stays and reading the reasons for their removal (such as your comment "Undid revision 787447457 by DanielReardon (talk) out of context", which you ruined by then taking aim at me). You removing it is lesson enough and I'm not petty so I'm not going to try to replace it elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielReardon (talkcontribs) 00:35, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

The image inclusions looked fine to me. It makes sense to include pictures of radio telescopes in the radio astronomy article - it's definitely not out of context. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Per MOS:IMAGELOCATION "An image should generally be placed in the most relevant article section", a 1961 telescope did not belong in a pre-WWII history section. It also seemed to fall into MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE, pretty picture of a night sky and trees but not a very good image of the radio telescope half hidden behind the trees. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:04, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay I accept I may have made a mistake on the section in that case (but I feel like the other radio telescope images are also a bit out of context too), but again, I'm new and I'll learn by seeing what stays. I also accept your other changes. Seriously no need for the arguments. Just make edits without the lectures in future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielReardon (talkcontribs) 11:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
The message on your talk page was a courtesy (thought I should explain why I made the changes) and it was on your talk page because that is where suggestions to an editor belong (comment lines and Article talk pages should be about content). Sorry if it came off as WP:BITE. I do think its a good image and followed your lead as far as needed image cleanup at Parkes Observatory. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 12:29, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


One expects dishonesty from supporters of Galileo. On 17/7/2017, Fountains uses non-existent, unspecified "most RS" and meaningless "huh". Also, one gets self-contradiction from Fountains. He or she restores the 1888 Encyclopedia Britanica and then deletes it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:43, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

[2] The theory of relativity disproved the Copernican system? Was a real "huh?" got me. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 14:46, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Notability of Cravath re: War of Currents[edit]

RE: Your reversion of my revision 793742198, citing "unreliable sources, unable to acertain if this is even notable."

  1. Paul Cravath is an extremely important lawyer in history, whose law firm, after nearly 200 years, is widely considered one of the most prestigious law firms in the world.
  2. Cravath developed and instituted the "Cravath System", which combines a distinctive way of approaching the hiring, training and compensation of lawyers. It is the model by which most law firms now operate.
  3. Cravath's involvement in the trials of Westinghouse and Edison are a matter of history. The author of the cited reference, Graham Moore, described in the book the actual facts upon which his novel was based. These facts solidify the importance of Cravath, both in the "war," as well as in the legal foundation of patent disagreements.
  4. Further references can be supplied to support the importance of Cravath:

I strongly advocate re-inserting the original contribution.

algocu (talk) 18:13, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

RE: Your comments on my Talk page. Fair enough -- in part, but more specifically: (1) Cravath had a key role in the Edison v Westinghouse litigations, a fact which is duly noted in the postscript of Moore's book, where he delineates the fictional vs actual facts as he presents them. This makes him an independent (and not unreliable) source, so recommend removing this tag from Paul Drennan Cravath article. (2) RE: War of Currents, as pointed out, Cravath was part of this story, per Moore, and again, this provides a useful reference. "Trial of the century" was quote taken from deleted reference; suggest re-inserting original text, modifying "trial of" quote to read "so-called" or similar. algocu (talk) 18:34, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Answered at users talk. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:38, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Further response, disagreeing with your assessment: a simple synopsis does not reveal the factual basis of both the novel and my argument: author Moore devotes a heavily-referenced appendix in his book to delineate fact from fiction. My claims stand: the statements in my entry are documented facts, not fiction. algocu (talk) 18:20, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Objective diameter influence on brightness.[edit]

Hi Fountains of Bryn Mawr,

I apologize for my last intervention, when I abruptly erased your last contribution. In my last one, I conserved your example on the 8x40 and 8x25 but I added an important note: to be the 8x40 better for brightness vs. 8x25, the eye pupil must be large enough to collect all the additional light gathered on the retina by the 8x40, otherwise the diameter increase is not useful (for example, if the eye entrance pupil (= eye pupil) is 3.125 mm, the increase from 25 mm to 40 mm is not useful.

I added also a brief discussion on the influence of the objective diameter on the "relative brightness", i.e. the image brigthness respect to the brightness felt by the nuke eye when seeing directly the object: if the exit pupil of the binoculars is less than the eye pupil, the brightness of the image is less than the nuke eye brightness, otherwise it is (in the ideal case of no losses) the same, so the additional increase to the objective diameter brings to an increase in magnification but not to brighter images.

I didn't cite any reference, because I believe that these are basic concepts. In any case I put here two classical Optics books that say what I explained above and in my Wikipedia contribution: --> page 37 --> page 133


Andrea Paolini (Italy)

Co-scienza (talk) 13:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

You should limit this to the proper talk page. The problem with this is its confusing English, confusing in general, and off topic (covered at Exit pupil. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 18:54, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

List of people considered father or mother of a scientific field[edit]

Re [3]: but Political_science#Modern_political_science does. I don't have an opinion on whether he should be in the list, though William M. Connolley (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Removed it off to talk, unsupported there and seems to be unsupportable per WP:YESPOV #2. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:42, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Milky Way[edit]

Thank you for pointing out that discussion. I did not see it, as it was buried in the talk archives. While I strongly disagree with the consensus, I will not go against it, and I appreciate the revert.    → Michael J    17:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Art Renewal Center[edit]

There have been a couple editors who have been mass deleting sourced content from the Art Renewal Center WP page. Please help protect this page from disruptive editing. ArtMajor (talk) 00:07, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Jean Texereau 1957 1st ed., 1984 2nd ed. How to make a telescope[edit]

It appears that an expert telescope maker's work currently has no place in the encyclopedia, not even a link?. His methods for grinding and evaluating the quality of one's mirrors are notable. Might you suggest a place for me to mention him. His methods are reproducible, but a link would not be a HowTo because no content is disclosed. It makes a perfect high school project because he was aware of the history of the newtonian reflector, the book lists the pitfalls, and it illuminates what would be a black art without this kind of information, AFAIK. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 17:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Texereau is listed at Amateur telescope making. That article could use a paragraph that reports on the books used by amateurs cited to sources that describe that. I see this, not the greatest, blog, and personal opinion... but something like that. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 19:38, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Help with Giclee[edit]

Can you help with this: -- Bod (talk) 23:21, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Suspected SPs at NEMA connector[edit]

I'm glad someone else has the same suspicion. I've filed an SP report. Jeh (talk) 07:52, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for the invite, I will look it over. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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For What Reason you De l'été m'y contribution un Outline of physics?? Danfarid133 (talk) 14:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Per Abdus Salam article, "shared the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics with Sheldon Glashow and Steven Weinberg for his contribution to the electroweak unification theory". So we are talking about notable, but not really a "Famous physicists" per the list. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

What are you doing !!!!???????you delete Famous Physicists Section Danfarid133 (talk) 19:24, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Please read the talk page and leave comment there. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:45, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I regret on your modification on Abdus Salam Article Danfarid133 (talk) 21:37, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Redlinks in Lists[edit]

I'm of the opinion (correct me if I'm wrong) that goodfaith redlinks in Lists such as List of Australian artists (as distinct from lists of persons by surname, for which the rules are clear) are to be encouraged rather than deprecated, as they act as a gap indicator and task reminder to create such an article. Lists of women engaged in various activities is a prime example.

Russell W. Phillips was one such. He was an Archibald finalist and several of his paintings are held by the Art Gallery of New South Wales. The little research I did on the chap was enough to dissuade me from pursuing the matter further. His subjects were not notable, and the same works (self-portrait, Mrs. R.W.P.) were entered multiple times, but I was happy to leave it there for someone else to develop.Doug butler (talk) 22:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

The list gets 40 redlinks a year, so the problem is, who do we leave? Whats the criteria for leaving a redlink? Requiring articles is one approach at WP:LISTPEOPLE and I think following WP:WTAF is a good approach. We could list the redlinks on the talk page and see if anyone wants to take a whack at putting up stubs or articles. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 22:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Good point. 40 is a big number, though I bet most are vandalism or self promos which is more or less the same thing (in such cases I like to delete it with a little joke like "assertion of notability premature at best"). But some I've turned into stubs or rather weak Starts, which I think is a useful approach. A couple have been further developed by their (then unregistered) progenitors. If I'd just deleted Jan Hendrik Scheltema for instance, WP would be one article and one user the poorer. It's not great writing but I suspect the author will end up doing some useful stuff on Dutch influence in Australia. But I wouldn't move the entry to the talk page, only to be buried in intemperate rubbish. I for one steer clear of talk pages unless I'm personally involved. Doug butler (talk) 01:01, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Wayne Strickland, could have been left too. Magnificent paintings of horses in lurid colours is not my plate of fish, but Australian Stockman's Hall of Fame, R. M. Williams's Outback Museum, and National Gallery of Victoria own or have shown his works Doug butler (talk) 00:41, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
If you follow the red link he was deleted 10 years ago. It is really up to people adding material to research notability since Wikipedia is not a directory. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:49, 29 January 2018 (UTC)


It's a word, just not common in North American or UK English: lakh. --Wtshymanski (talk) 19:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)


Mr. “Salt” and Mr. “Fountains”: I tell you what, go ahead and delete all my contributions. I am not going to waste any more time in such an amateurish place (that is obviously controlled by biased individuals like you). There are more serious venues out there where scientific work is accepted and respected. - Ed 850 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed 850 (talkcontribs) 23:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit at 2001[edit]

Thanks for your edit at 2001 correcting User:Running there. I recently created a page for 2001 in popular culture and I'm not sure that User:Running has understood your previous message about blogs to him. He now states that he is blog-free here: [5]. Could you look at his edits. JohnWickTwo (talk) 21:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Thomas Townsend Brown[edit]

Why? You are suppressing facts. You should rather call for sources. Bengt Nyman (talk) 10:56, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, Wikipedia is not the place to post unverified information or right great wrongs. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 13:02, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Thomas Townsend Brown's capacitor experiments and their results are clearly documented. The conclusions were at the time controversial. I will update the article again without reference to original or modern conclusions. Bengt Nyman (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC) Bengt Nyman (talk) 16:19, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
You continue to delete and hide some of the well known parts of Thomas Townsend Brown's work. I will again update the article to include these parts of his activities. If you are not aware of them ask for sources, but do not arbitrarily compromise his history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bengt Nyman (talkcontribs) 23:59, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
If you are making these deletions because you believe that parts of his work became classified, say so. Bengt Nyman (talk) 00:08, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
It is up to you to cite verifiable and reliable sources when adding material to Wikipedia. You failed to do that here. You have been editing Wikipedia for a long time so I assume you understand this basic tenet. Fringe claims in a WP:FRINGE article such as "The fact that the effect still remained when Brown put his device inside a vacuum chamber, or in a bath of ion-free transformer oil remains unexplained by mainstream physics" must be so cited and attributed to a source in text, see WP:EVALFRINGE specifically. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 00:22, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Since you do not claim to enforce any legal restriction of the publication of the works of Thomas Townsend Brown I suggest that you familiarize yourself with already existing and published records of his work before you arbitrarily resort to your own limited knowledge and understanding of his work. I will continue to correct and supplement the page about Thomas Townsend Brown until it realistically reflects his work. Bengt Nyman (talk) 09:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


You've reverted this editor.[6] They are continuing to add trivia from the same Japanese game to articles, sometimes while logged out. I'm not sure what to do but perhaps a warning from you? Doug Weller talk 12:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Removal of Edits[edit]

Your removal of my edits to the Thomas Jefferson Hotel page was over reaching. If you believed some of them were advertising in nature, you should have only removed those portions. The information was accurate as to the current purpose of the building and the external links supported the edits. If you're going to remove edits, removing them in their entirety is bad form. SPMedit (talk) 21:26, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Suggestions were left on you talk page per what was wrong with the edits (promotional and Wikipedia articles should not contain external links) as well as links to Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Feel free to fix/update the article. I may take a whack at it when I have free time. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 00:55, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

As far as promotional links, if you're speaking about, that is the actual website for the building. When the content asks for a website link, that is the only authorized link for that entity. My main issue stems from the fact that I don't understand why every edit I made was removed. Many of my edits were updating the history of the building, including updated information regarding items of interest that are currently active but were listed in future tense, such as the installation of the new signage and mooring mast. I have no issues with removing certain language if it is deemed to be "advertising in nature," but to remove every bit of additional relevant info seems to be beyond the scope of editing content. Perhaps that's the only way it works, to remove the entire portion? (I am unsure.) To suggest I just repeat my efforts at revising the article means I'd just have to speculate on if hours of work would again be removed due to an arbitrary interpretation of language. I'm not trying to discredit your editing work or be rude, I just truly don't understand the methodology employed here. I am very new at this. I'd appreciate if you would review the materials that were deleted. Thank you, SPMedit (talk) 20:58, 29 March 2018 (UTC).

Fixing the edit was allot of work and I though it better to let you know what the policy and guidelines were so you could make the changes. The problems I see are:
  • excessive promotional details - Currently, Thomas Jefferson Tower's community amenities are listed as a fitness center, pet wash station, bike work shop, Roots & Revelry and their pickup service "R&R Marketplace" furnished lobby with billiards, 24-hour valet parking, Valet Laundry Service through Vogue Cleaners, controlled residential entry, and on-site management and maintenance services. The recently renovated apartments at Thomas Jefferson Tower amenities list includes Stainless-Steel Appliances with Gas Range, European Gloss Kitchen Cabinets, Quartz Countertops & Island, Finished Concrete Floors, Pendant & Overhead Lighting,Ceiling Fans, New LG Washer/Dryer Combo Unit, High-Rise Views of Downtown Birmingham. Furnished apartments are also offered through CORT furnishings. etc.....
Maybe also look through WP:NOTADVERTISING #5m and have a look through Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:40, 30 March 2018 (UTC)