# User talk:Fredrik/Archive

## Q4 2003

### Angela's welcome message

Hello Fredrik, welcome to Wikipedia. I noitced you asked in your edit summary at Halifax Explosion whether to include both measurements. I think that's probably best. There isn't any consensus on which should be used according to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Style_for_numbers,_weights,_and_measures, and there is a debate on it at Wikipedia:Measurements Debate if you're interested.

Here's some links you might find useful if you haven't already found them:

If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian!

Angela. 14:36, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

## Q1 2004

Hi Fredrik, Liked your changes to Neil Young -- GWO 19:20, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)

### Gaz' reply to praise for images

Thank you. I'm particularly proud of the Dice and Dominoes - Gaz 13:02, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

### Aircraft table margins

Rather than changing the table margin settings on individual aircraft tables, why not go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/Table and argue for the change globally? —Morven 19:48, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I have asked one of the developers to add a new CSS class so this can be done in a smoother way. If the change goes through, you'll just have to add style="floatright" or style="floatleft" to the table (just like you can do with <div>s already) to get it floating and with a margin. Sorry if this caused any trouble (it wasn't organized either, I just acted as soon as an article with a table popped up on recent changes :) Fredrik 20:49, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
No trouble, it's just easier if a table change is made 'at the source' for something like this. I like the idea of improved styles for this purpose, though. —Morven 00:32, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

### Audio samples and fair use

Well, this has been mentioned as definitely fair use in the past (don't remember from whom, but I think it includes one or two of the now-departed lawyers), and I don't see why an audio sample should be any different from a few words from a novel or a few frames of a movie (note also that the fair use article doesn't include any citations for that assertion). In any case, bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Copyrights and/or Wikipedia talk:Sound and Wikipedia if you like. There are others who have much more knowledgeable opinions than I, and that is where they will be looking. Tuf-Kat 05:06, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)

### Java logo

Where did you get the Java logo from? The logo is a trademark of SunMicrosystems and from what I read from the terms of use, a request must be made to use it. Have you filed a request and was it approved? I am probably going to list the image on Votes for deletion. RedWolf 02:42, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)

### Different topic than above

I fixed whatever it was you told me to fix on the Euler's identity article. JB82 17:53, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

### XP Screenshot

The default XP desktop actually uses a wallpaper called "bliss". I can, however, upload a single-color variant.

### Try and vs try to

I noticed you replaced 'try and' with 'try to' on HTML. Is there some semantic difference in meaning of the two forms I am unaware of, or do you simply prefer the latter? — Jor (Talk) 21:37, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

'Try and' is informal. - Reference. Fredrik 21:47, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks. Looks like a site I'll go read. — Jor (Talk) 21:49, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hope it didn't seem like I was stalking you on your marathon "try and..." run. You're right that that construction is deprecated in formal writing (more so in US than UK English -- Fowler does admit that it "has a shade of meaning that justifies its existence"), but "to try to" is also pretty ugly and, a lot of the time, can be replaced with a simple "to" or the entire phrase much improved with a slight tweak. Working together, we've just improved a whole string of articles. Cheers, Hajor 23:22, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

### Enclave/exclave images

Hi, I just saw you changed the enclave image.... you might want to do the same to exclave.png so that they match on exclave as well. I'm not sure that your version will print better on a b&w printer than mine, which was in my mind when I first changed the image though.  :) fabiform | talk 23:05, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

## Q2 2004

### Misspelling list

Hi, just wanted to say thanks for noticing my list of pages with misspellings. I saw that your user page says you like to correct typos. Let me know if there's anything I can do to avoid duplication of effort, or if you have any other comments. Wmahan 07:23, 2004 Apr 5 (UTC)

i need it explained as simple as possible, im only in Gr. 8, but if someone can send me a simple program etc. using TCP/IP that would be usefull. thank you :)

### Fair use of music, continued

In a talk page comment elsewhere last month you mentioned the fair use article saying that all sampling was infringement. The fair use article was wrong. It did look that way for a while but subsequent decisions have changed the picture back to something approaching more normal fair use. I've corrected the article but haven't yet linked in all of the decisions. Jamesday 21:38, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yes, please do provide them. Remember also that if you're trying to illustrate a musical style or the unique character of a work, you may need to use the key and most significant small piece of a work. That's fine because you're purpose is criticism and commentary and that small piece, even though it's the most notable piece, is the minimum amount required for your purpose. But, don't use the whole work when a portion does the job nicely - that's arguably excessive for the purpose at hand and makes fair use less likely. There's no fixed amount (4 bars, 30 seconds or whatever isn't the law), just try to stick to what is necessary and no more. Lastly, do remember that as the contributor of such samples, you are the party responsible for deciding whether your use is fair and you are the party who's going to end up getting sued, while the Wikipedia itself relies on the Communications Decency Act to deny liability and I note that I'm not a lawyer and am just telling you what I believe the law to be, not giving you legal advice. I believe I'm right in my understanding of the law and would act as I suggest myself... but it is up to you to decide for yourself, because what I say doesn't protect you much.:) Jamesday 23:38, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't know enough about Swedish law to give you really useful guidance. I can't even tell you whether you uploading to a US site when your body is in Sweden would make you covered by US, Swedish or both sets of law. If you do meet someone here who understands Swedish copyright law, please do ask them to say hello to me, so that we can gather together those who know the copyright law of as many places as possible. Jamesday 23:56, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

### Curly brace syntax

Could you start the work on integrating different syntaxes into Curly brace family ? You had pushed for integrating Java syntax while it faced deletion. Apparently you're the only one who knows how to do this integration ;) We're waiting for you to get started. I'll pitch in once I see the page getting a particular direction. Jay 03:24, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

### Vocabulary project

Hej, thanks for your vote against the deletion of The United States and weapons of mass destruction. I run a vocabulary project and since you are Swedish and write in English very well I thought you might be interested. It would be very helpful to have soemone who knows something about graphics as you write you do. The program and the description in English should be ready by tomorrow, please check my page. Get-back-world-respect 00:36, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

### Something random

re doom, thanks, i'm not sure how that happened. Badanedwa 17:28, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

• i may have just illustrated how that happened. Badanedwa 17:43, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

### Calculus Table

Thanks for the change of the calculus table. That was exactly what I was aiming for when I edited it this morning. I've printed out the code. I know it'll be useful in the future. Thanks again! - MGM 11:46, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)

### Shock site TOC

I've reverted your changes to Shock site because bolding is not preferrable for formatting "External links" headers. If you think there are too many headers, a marking of "__NOTOC__" on that page may be suitable, if you think that would work. Dysprosia 15:15, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Whoops, missed your edit comment. I'll do the __NOTOC__. I think it's suitable for that page. Dysprosia
Replied at my talk page Dysprosia 15:31, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

### Poll: New York City

You expressed interest in the name of the New York City article on its Talk page. Could you please vote in the poll there? Thank you. --Lowellian 00:04, May 2, 2004 (UTC)

### Denni on crash test dummies and politics

Pleased to meet another social democrat. It runs in my family, and my best friend's grandfather was J. S. Woodsworth, the founder of Canada's social democrat movement (this is my article -- or should I, as a respectful Wikipedian say, I wrote the main draft. Too bad it doesn't have a snowflake's chance in hell of ever seeing feature article status). Anyway, thanks for your input on Crash test dummy. I used your suggestions in doing some slight revision to the page - hope you like the new look. Denni 01:09, 2004 May 4 (UTC)

Hi Fredrik -

Thank you for providing the incentive to fill the holes in Hybrid history. I found it a very interesting task, and even managed to find some images of the original Sierra Sam. So that section of Crash test dummy has been fleshed out considerably. As per your recommendation, I also toned the ending down a bit. I prefer to think of it as 'upbeat' as opposed to 'exhuberent', but I'm not averse to changes that do not corrupt the primary message. Denni 21:14, 2004 May 5 (UTC)

Hoping you can add a short comment withdrawing your objection on the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates page. Thank you! Denni 22:14, 2004 May 5 (UTC)

### Independency

Hello. Whilst you are right to say independency is a valid alternate spelling of independence, independency is more commonly associated with the independence of a state or nation - certainly in Britain at least. Regards - --bodnotbod 01:52, May 5, 2004 (UTC)

### Mandelbrot set image

Hello Fredrik -

I edited the Mandelbrot set article. 1. I moved your artistic depiction of the set downward to the plotting section. 2. I put a B/W image of the Mandelbrot set at the top of the article. I hope you think that's a good tradeoff between mathematical correctness and art. If you think it's too boring and technical, let me know, or rv the article, or whatever. It is important to have a link to a Mandelbrot plot with a scale, though, since there are very few of these on the Internet, and the scale is mathematically significant. Have a nice day! Connelly 08:36, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

### Oil for food and vocabulary (again)

Hi there, would you mind to take a look at Oil for food? Serious problems with partisan content there and only one active user trying to deal with it. Furthermore, I saw you are Swedish. Would you be interested in a project about learning, especially vocabulary? Please check my page and let me know. Get-back-world-respect 00:45, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

### Mandelbrot program

Hey. I see you used my Mandelbrot program. :-) As it happens, I have a version which produces much smoother results. I could send you it if you're interested? Evercat 23:14, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

Well, I sent it off. Adjust the "SUBSAMPLE" values to adjust the time/smoothness trade-off... Evercat 23:40, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

No sooner had I sent it than I realised a way to fix the nastiness where the big bulbs meet the main cardioid. Tell me if you want the fix... Evercat 23:49, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

Fredrik,thankyou for your interest in my edits on the Jesus page.I am aware of the neutrality policy,but I would ask you to respect my feelings that the sentence in question is not in itself a neutral statement if left as it stands..You may not feel Jesus is the Lamb of God, as I do, but to write his existence off as a myth is not to take history seriously,in my opinion.See Tacitus and Josephus or better still please consider the evidence for the historicity of the gospel accounts.Andycjp 11th May 2004.

### Featured article candidates

Thanks for helping to sort out my slip-up regarding the London Congestion Charge as a featured article. I'd looked for it on Wikipedia:Featured articles, but under the transport section rather than the economics section, which is how I missed it - should just have done a 'find' on the page!--ALargeElk 16:15, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Belgium as a featured article has nobody who made real objections. I will put it back to the section without objections Andries 13:42, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

### PNGs

Yes, you're right. Sorry; I'm not keeping up with the times; most of my graphics understanding came from the days before PNGs. I'll amend my ways. There! best wishes --Tagishsimon

### Licenceing

Please add licenceing info such as {{msg:GFDL}} to images like Image:Circlestrafing.png, kudos if you made it b.t.w., quite a nice article/image. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 21:19, 2004 May 17 (UTC)

### Impact-Events

As you might have noticed; I am a newbie.

Thx for helping me out and correcting me. I just didnt notice that the giant impact theory was already mentioned. (and it wasn't well placed in the modern impact section anyway)

I just had to clarify that the 4 other major mass extinctions are not certainly impact-related. The "Mounting evidence" has been quite disputed. IcycleMort

### Orders of magnitude

Hi there, Fredrik. Please have a look at your Orders of magnitude (data) article and tell me how you like it.
Herbee | Talk 00:04, 2004 May 23 (UTC)

### Learning Project

Thanks for the pygame link. Would you be willing to help with the programming? Get-back-world-respect 20:15, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Third time you ask me :) Still no, but I might follow your progress. Fredrik 20:19, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

### John Ross merger

Looks great. Thanks. Danny 20:37, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

### Zodiac Tapwave

Thanks for the edits on my Zodiac Tapwave entry from, well, weeks ago. Wiki needs a central user command center for monitoring and communications.

MSTCrow 02:52, May 24, 2004 (UTC)

### Islamophobia

Hello. Please take a look at the discussion and pass comment. I see you have contributed in the past. Thanks. John Ball

### ..cypher.. vs ..cipher..

Fredric, I've noticed several instances in which you've 'corrected' spellings in and around the crypto corner. While the typo count is certainly too high (and my contributions to the list are legion), this is not one. Please see the cypher vs cipher discussion at Talk:Cryptography and the assorted links noted there. It's a mess and we're not likely to move to orthographic paradise anytime soon.

English, as usual, has us all running around like decapitated chickens in re its "spelling". We're probably stuck with it, and in the instant case, with both cy and ci and variants of both. ww 15:47, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

F, Thanks for your prompt reply. I hadn't wanted you to think that I was accusing you of 'messing about' in the crypto articles at all. Please don't think that.
I do notice, however, that you are Swedish, and I trust that Swedish (the language) is not so anarchic in its orthography as is English (the language).
The problem is, I suspect, primarily a historical one as English spelling began to settle, before English recent phonemic shifts began to do the same. In addition, English is (uniquely?) a mongrel. Major vocabulary came into the language from Latin (ca 50 BCE to about 300CE), from the pre-existing Brittanic/Pictish (Celtic in various flavors, descendants of which survive today in Cornwall, Wales, the Scottish Islands, Brittany in NW France, and W Ireland), and then from assorted Germanic strains (eg, Angelic, Saxon, Jutish, etc) ca 450-600CE. Something like these Germanic ancestors of English is still spoken in Friesland on the SW coast of Denmark. Charlemagne imported an English ecclesiastic, Alcuin, to set up schools and such in the new Holy Roman Empire, ca 800CE. The language pot then boiled for some few hundred years, including a large admixture of various Scandinavianisms in the Northern parts of the British Isles (the 'Danelaw') from perhaps 800CE to about 1000CE. The language question followed the political victory of Alfred the Great and his descendants, so pure Viking speech didn't survive. And then there was the earthquake advent of yet another huge infusion of Latinate beginning in 1066CE (from 'Norman' French, itself a kind of mixture of Frankish (old French) and Scandinavian -- the Normans being more or less tamed Vikings, sort of).
Throughout it all, the learned (ie, those who could write at all) pretty much thought in Latin grammar terms -- not a good fit to any sort of English at any time as nearly as I can see -- because of the Church, and struggled to fit the language (whichever one then existed) into 'proper' channels. Eg, Alcuin and the Venerable Bede, Roger Bacon, and so on.
This all simmered for another couple of hundred years (producing Chaucer, whose language is neither Anglo-Saxon (a la Beowulf, Alcuin, and the Bede) nor Norman, but something new), and again for still another few hundred years until we get the Elizabethans (eg, Shakespeare, Marlowe, Francis Bacon, Donne, etc) who write something very much like the modern language, if not exactly so (word meaning shifts, for instance), but they apparently didn't pronounce as we do today (modulo accents).
Spelling was rather variable throughout all this, regardless of who spoke quite what. The first real dictionary in English was that of Samuel Johnson in the mid 1700s, which reflected the literary langauge not spelling as she is said.
The result is a language in which 'knight' is written as it was spoken in or before Chaucer's time (to wit, kuh nik tuh, with a gutteral 'k' in the nik part, more or less); not the way it's actually said today (more or less niit). And many other such lunacies. One can even spell 'fish', the marine animal with fins, as ghoti, in accordance with perfectly acceptable English language mappings between sounds and written glyphs. This was a favorite example of George Bernard Shaw, the playwright who railed on about spelling reform and left money in his will to support it. To no noticable effect at all. Other languages, including I trust Swedish about which I know next to nothing, are less loony in their spelling: German, French, etc.
Cypher (encypher, decypher, ...) and cipher (encipher, decipher, ...) are caught up in all this. It's impossible to say, except arbitrarily, which is the 'correct' spelling. And who, in the absence of an Academy (pace the French Academy which polices la langue to eschew vulgarisms, perhaps especially from across the Channel) is to say? They are in any case homonyms, and pronounced just the same, at least in AE and probably in BE. I certainly don't know about AustE or SAE or NigerianE or...
You'll certainly run up against similar foolishness for the foreseeable future as long as you dabble in this odd and wonderful language. ww 18:23, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

copied from User talk:ww...: I see you've challenged this argument elsewhere, but I disagree that non-conventional spelling should be used for any reason, including that of being used by some experts. I don't think people who prefer the variant "y" make up the largest part of Wikipedia's target audience even when it comes to this somewhat specialized section of articles.

There seems to be consensus against what I'm saying, though, so I'll keep off of the lawn in the future. Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for leaving me a note about the issue. Fredrik 17:29, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

Actually, there isn't really a consensus, just a status quo. I would argue that we should use "cipher", and that "cypher" is a deprecated spelling. Academic cryptography now universally uses "cipher" (a quick trawl through any conference or journal proceedings will confirm this). It's also very uncommon to see "cypher" in cryptography books (I've never seen it). ww argues against a prescriptive spelling, and I agree, but I would argue that we should reflect scholarly usage and standardise on "cipher" on those grounds. — Matt 09:22, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
A case for "cipher": Wikipedia:WikiProject Cryptography/Cipher vs Cypher — Matt 11:48, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

### Space elevator

I just wanted to thank you for your work over on the space elevator. Oy, it's been a mess there, and that was a good idea to split the economics section off to try and get things back under control. Rei 17:02, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

I also thank you for creating space elevator economics. -- DavidCary 05:31, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

### Vincenzo Galilei

Thanks for your comment! I appreciate the feedback and it's good to know someone's reading the stuff I write, LOL. Happy editing, Antandrus 21:30, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

### Ransom note

You bailed me out on that one. Thanks. :-) Io 01:35, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

### Hello

Hello, Fredrik! Läget så här i natten, då? Rienzo 01:40, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Här är det full aktivitet, nattuggla som jag är! Rienzo 01:49, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

### re: doom engine

Perhaps you should include a description of the bounding box mechanism then.

I'm quite familiar with the way the Doom engine works and I have the impression that my choice of wording was clearer to the unfamiliar reader. Perhaps it might be more appropriate to mention bounding boxes in another sentence or paragraph.

Indeed, the BSP article can use some work. I'll see if I can find some time to expand on it during the weekend. Thanks, cbraga 01:42, Jun 1, 2004 (UTC)

Your proposed structure for the BSP article looks quite good. Indeed, I suppose a new article is in order. Definitely a project for the weekend. Cheers, cbraga 02:06, Jun 1, 2004 (UTC)

### User:Soup and images

Chief, I guess we have to delete them. I had no idea if the images were public domain. Sorry. But I was given permission to use the new one on Ferdinand Marcos' page. Soup 4:20 am, Jun 2,2004

### Thanks

Thanks for the work on moving Websites. Isn't there a way to actually move the site that's safer? Oh well, there was nothing there before anyway. Also, do you have an opinion on the subcategories?

Hey... you're a robot, right? No one's work is that efficient or edit summaries are that concise... - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:44, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)

### Standard oil

No problem. Feel free to add in anything you know--that article is junior-year U.S. history talking, I'm hardly a specialist. I'm amazed we didn't have one already, actually. Meelar 18:29, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### Capitals

Keep up the good work (with the capital letters and with everything else).

Thank you. Michael Hardy 19:55, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

• Hey, I saw you made a ton of edits on the recent changes page, changing 'occured' to 'occurred.' I love wikipedia and have been using and editing it for a little while now, but I'm still new to some things. Are you using some sort of search? I would love to help editing these errors as well, but don't know an efficient way to search for errors. Thanks!

Lockeownzj00 20:15, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### FAC promotion

Frederick - this morning, your promoted Emacs to the featured articles. Emacs had had an obection lodged against it, and it had just recently been put back in the "No objections" section. You then promoted it. Please do not promote articles out of order - people are supposed to be able look at the list and know which articles are up for promotion next. →Raul654 21:46, Jun 5, 2004 (UTC)

Nice work framing the images on Origins of the American Civil War. The article looks a lot better. 172 20:18, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### Number of edits

Hi. Am waiting on the stats script to get run again before I can update that page. With all the server crashes and 1.3 upgrade stuff, I think the script hasn't been each week like it has been recently. Pcb21| Pete 14:33, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### Baby Mario

I have seen all of what happens in Yoshi's Island. I have the game, and I've beat it too, and all I see is Baby Mario, Baby Luigi, and Baby Bowser. I have written bios a few years ago refuting your edits, and were accepted. --Marcus2

There is no material evidence (other than Nintendo's claim around the time Yoshi's Island's release) that baby Mario is Mario. In a bio I wrote (outside Wikipedia), instead, babies Mario and Luigi were twin sons of Wario, discarded and sent by the stork to other parents. There isn't any material evidence refuting this either. Also, the original "Super Mario World" says that the real Mario met Yoshi in this game, and I have seen this happen in the game: Yoshi's egg cracks and he says, "Hello, my name is Yoshi. Bowser trapped me inside this egg." --Marcus2

I am making none of this up. What is supportive evidence? If it's immaterial, it doesn't count. This site was made to be an encyclopedia. Encyclopedias were designed not to have video game fiction. And whatever evidence I have given you is valid. If there is room for fiction, it is of little importance compared to factual data on U.S. Presidents, world leaders, historic periods, etc. --Marcus2

### fusion power

i assume there is a page on nuclear fusion itself different from the fusion power page.

if so, a picture of the national ignition facility, or a tokomak, or something manmade is more appropriate for the fusion power page.

im a picture-person , see Super-Kamiokande (my work) for example

Hfastedge 20:04, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I love what you've done to the roundabout animation. Well done! Mintguy (T) 17:42, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### Lord Basava

Earlier today, I put the cleanup message on Lord Basava, as it was listed on Wikipedia:Cleanup and could use some editing. You removed it without giving any reason, and I'm kind of curious to know why. Thanks. --Caliper 04:06, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### One Life to Live

Why did you remove the cleanup notice from OLTL? It was two sentences long and still is. A 35-year-old show should not have a dismal write-up like that. And to remove the cleanup notice without even doing substantial edits to the article...I just don't understand. TheCustomOfLife 20:06, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Same answer as I gave to Caliper on his talk page in reply to the section above this one. I'll put it here too in case anyone else complains:
I removed the cleanup message from all articles that had it yesterday (you can check my contribution history), because it had been decided that it should no longer be used. The message had been edited so it was empty at the time (see its history). Lord Basava and all the other articles are still listed on Wikipedia:Cleanup; listing and listing alone should suffice in the future.
I do realize that my edit summary probably wasn't the clearest - I should've provided a reason. Sorry about that.
- Fredrik (talk) 20:10, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Who decided that the cleanup message should be removed from all articles? Where was this discussed? RickK 06:38, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)

Nothing discussed solely on IRC should be taken as gospel until it has been discussed here too. RickK 19:04, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)

I'm not blaming you, not to worry. RickK 19:20, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)

### Personal Attacks

Sorry Fredrik, I overreacted. I see you were only enforcing the rules, not taking matters into your own hands. My apologies. -JiangFlungDung 02:11, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### spaces in sorting tags

Thanks for the advice about the category sorting tags. I think I'll also do an experiment to see if it makes a difference. TronTonian 21:26, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

It does make a difference – Tony Williams jumped to the front of the Williamses in the jazz musicians category when I added a space to his tag. However, this mean I'm going to have to inspect the alphabetization to see how badly the different formats have affected it. So far I've mainly been addressing the problem of the articles that don't have sort keys. I also noticed that the format with a space is not recommended; it's simply the one used in the example. To my mind, the space is uninformative, so before I commit to using a space I'll also have to brood for a while. What I mean is, I'll probably do it, but first I'll have to overcome my resentment at so unCanadian an idea as doing things the same way as everyone else just so they can be done the same way as everyone else.
There's also the question of fixing the formats without buggering up the alphabetization of the category list. For that purpose the best approach would seem to be to continue as before then start revising the list from the beginning. Sheesh. TronTonian 21:39, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

You're right, we need a standard approach. Since the space is used in the example and therefore the closest thing to a standard we have, that's probably the best format. It's just taking me a while to face the necessity of fixing all the unspaced sort keys I've added. But I'll do it. TronTonian 21:48, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This is about the only time in my life I've wanted to be an obsessive-compulsive. However, I'm so impressed by the jazz musicians category (it assembles all sorts of articles that fans of different genres have been adding in isolation) that what I'm going to do is work my way fixing the current list before adding any more links to the category. TronTonian 21:52, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, Fredrik. I think for the moment, though, I'll just fix the ones that most obviously need to be fixed (people with common names, families of musicians, etc.), then keep an eye on the category afterward. I'd been doing that anyway to catch entries sorted on the first name. TronTonian 21:59, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This has already corrected the sorting of the numerous Browns, so now that I can see the advantages of a standard format I now have a good attitude towards it. Thanks for the suggestion. TronTonian

Thanks also for putting up with my usual recalcitrance. Unfortunately, it works. TronTonian

### Urge

Hi, since you are from Sweden, I was wondering if you knew if Surge/Urge can be bought there still? -- Fuelbottle | Talk 07:17, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Based on my observation, I believe you are well-qualified to become an administrator. Would you be willing to allow me to nominate you? --Michael Snow 22:08, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, it is a pleasure to nominate someone so obviously qualified. I have posted my nomination in the usual place. As I assume you're aware, you should probably post a statement of acceptance on the RfA page itself. --Michael Snow 22:44, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### Contributions graph

Hi...how did you make your contributions graph? What type of script would that be? Ilyanep (Talk) 18:10, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The graph is my whole contrib history, right? BTW, when you finalize the script, drop me a note and I'd love to see it. Ilyanep (Talk) 18:58, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### Blockering

Tja! Såg att du hotade mig med blockering... Vore kanske lämpligt att du riktade samma hot till Marcus2, som började bitcha med mig... Rienzo 18:35, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### Vandalism?

May I inquire whose user page I presumably have vandalized? Rienzo 20:01, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

### Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User:Rienzo

Are you interested in endorsing this? RickK 04:43, Jun 30, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting my mistake. I missed the mention of vandalism by the sockpuppet in all the allegations of personal attacks, and since the template was partially copied from the anon listed below, I assumed the allegations had been uncritically copied from that listing. --Michael Snow 16:17, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

## Q3 2004

### You're a sysop!

Congratulations! You're a sysop!You might find the administrators' reading list useful reading. Remember to use your new powers for goodness and niceness rather than badness and evilness! ;-) -- Cecropia | Talk 23:23, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! There'll be plenty of badness and evilness, however, muahaha... -- Fredrik | talk 23:29, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

### Thank you for your support

Two things:

(1) Congratulations on your own election as a sysop. I've seen you in a few places, and am very impressed with the quality of your work. You deserved this position a long, long time ago. I'm glad you've been appointed.
(2) Thank you so much for your own vote in my favour. Wikipedia is a project I have great dreams for, and I feel so privileged to be able to contribute to its development. It was very good of you to vote for me, Fredrik. I look forward to working with you. David Cannon 09:49, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

### Grace Kelly

Could you please revert Grace Kelly again? I've used up my 3 reverts for the 24 hours. RickK 06:13, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

Fredrik, you seem to be a somewhat reasonable guy... Varför är det viktigt för dig att benämna Grace Kelly som en gayikon? Kan vi inte ha en öppen diskussion om detta istället för att bara återställa in absurdum? Rienzo 06:25, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
It's not important to me. I helped RickK and others revert because you were violating the 3 revert rule, which is plain vandalism. If most people are opposed to your edit, it is up to you to mediate a solution that there is consensus for. I'd rather see an open discussion about it as well. Could you please try starting one? If you leave slurs out of it — this is essential for it being an "open" discussion, there's a chance people might be willing to discuss the matter with you. Fredrik | talk 08:08, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I just wanted to thank you for your support in my recent nomination to become an administrator. I really appreciate it. blankfaze | •• | •• 14:31, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

### 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption a FAC

You mentioned before that this article was feature worthy, so I added a bit to it and nominated it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates#1980 Mount St. Helens eruption. Please take a look when you have time and comment. :) --mav

### Contrib Graph

Hi, when you have the time, could you please update the contributions graph you made for me about a month ago? Thank you in advance — Ilyanep (Talk) 05:16, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

### Rock the vote

A vote has been initiated on the standard template for computer and video games. As a member of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and Video Games, you are being solicited for input into the proposed template. Please cast your vote any make any comments at Rock the vote! Thank you! Frecklefoot | Talk 14:25, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

### Swedish sockpuppetry, urgent

Hi, Fredrik, we haven't met, but if you have the time, could you possibly take a look at the Sång till Skåne VfD listing, and, if the spirit moves you, comment there? It's a little urgent, since a sockpuppet from Skånepartiet has joined in. I don't want to write any more in that discussion, myself: there's a lot from me already, and our friends from other countries don't have the background for sorting out whether it's me or the other person that's being weird, so another voice besides mine would be helpful. I've dropped a note to Mic, also. (I realize that anybody that doesn't keep his/her head down on such a subject may get flamed etc., sorry about that. :-() Bishonen 21:08, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• I see you've visited the wiki a few times since that message, but you must have been too busy to reply. I won't bother you again. Bishonen 06:35, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• I hope you didn't think I was pressuring you to vote. Voting or not is entirely your affair. I was expecting a reply, that's all. But we all have lives outside the wiki to run, too (at least let's hope so). Bishonen 09:59, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

### Contribs chart

Hi -- when you have the time, can you please update my contribs chart? Thanks. (BTW, I seem to be accelerating for myself [but not relative to other ppl tho], I'm doing 250 or so edits in the course of a few weeks. ) Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 15:22, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

### Formula One

Hey Fredrik - thanks for your helpful comments on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates#Formula One. I have attempted to address all of your criticisms; perhaps you would like to reconsider your vote, or if the article is still lacking, help me improve it. Thanks! Ðåñηÿßôý | Talk 22:26, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I don't know if you can 'see' the reply that I made to your comment on my talk page User_talk:Richard_W.M._Jones. So I've added this comment here ... Let me know. Sorry, but I'm somewhat of a newbie on Wikipedia.

## Q4 2004

Fredrik: I noticed that you aren't using the "Ultrawaffle" style shown at m:Gallery_of_user_styles#Ultrawaffle anymore, but did you ever encounter a problem with the display of the Edit This Page/History/Move/Watch links on certain pages? The Main Page in particular is displaying them improperly - giving them a yellowish background and cutting off parts of the border. Did you ever fix this bug? Thanks! Ðåñηÿßôý | Talk 19:27, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I seem to have figured it out (see User:Rdsmith4/monobook.css), but I had to ditch the rounded edges on the tabs. Incidentally, do you know how to re-insert (i) the "person" icon in front of my username at the top right of every page, and (ii) the icon signifying an external link? Ðåñηÿßôý | Talk 20:24, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

### Wikipedia:Featured article candidates

Looks like you accidentally removed a nomination from the page: [1]. Please add Cultural Revolution back. --Jiang 00:27, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

### Mandelbrot image

Hi - I uploaded a new version of Image:Mandelbrotset.png - I hope you don't mind. I think it's easier to look at than the yellow/purple one... what do you reckon? Evercat 00:05, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

### Happy Birthday!

Happy birthday, Frederik! Best wishes. --Whosyourjudas (talk) 00:47, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. Whosyourjudas (talk) 03:49, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

### Samus' biography

I do know the sources of her biography. The metroid e-manga (japanese, search it on google), the NP metroid comic and the old black nintendo player's guide (I have a copy at home, I don't remember the exact title) But it meshes with what I know about samus, it looks good to me. CyberSkull 02:15, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

### Neil Young

I've action some of your objections at Featured article candidates#Neil Young and left a question for you there. I'd appreciate the feedback to improve the article further. -- GWO

### Wikinews demo up and running

Hi!

I'm writing to let you know that the Wikimedia Board of Trustees has approved the first stage of the Wikinews project. There's now a fully operational English demo site at demo.wikinews.org. This will be used for experimenting with various review models and basic policies before the site is launched officially in about a week. demo.wikinews.org will become the English version later.

You voted for the Wikinews project, so I'm asking for your participation now. Everything is open, nothing is final. What Wikinews will and can be depends in large part on you. There already is a global Wikinews mailing list for discussing the project. If you are interested at all, please subscribe -- coordination is of key importance. There's also an IRC channel #wikinews on irc.freenode.net. Realtime discussion can help to polish up articles.

If you're looking for something to do, check out the articles in development and articles in review. Or start a new story in the Wikinews workspace, or ignore the proposed review system - it's up to you. I hope you'll join us soon in this exciting experiment.--Eloquence* 01:58, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading Image:Tutankhamun-mask-retouched.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, Quadell (talk) (help)[[]] 16:02, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

### Formatting for luna crater articles

"Hi, I'm going through the articles in Category:Craters on the Moon to make them conform to the style guidelines for capitalization and heading format. See [2] for an example edit. You might want to modify your template for future articles in this category so they don't have to be re-edited. Thanks, and keep up the good work. Fredrik | talk 19:39, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)"

That's an awful lot of work for just a few minor revisions. But okay, I've updated my template file accordingly. Thanks! -- RJH 21:49, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

### Image:Fredrik contribution graph.png

Hi again. Do you still need this image: Image:Fredrik contribution graph.png? Quadell (talk) (help)[[]] 15:33, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing! I try. Quadell (talk) (help)[[]] 23:24, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

### Der Führer

Hi Fredrik, thanks for getting that image off my page Giano 08:28, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

### Economy of Europe

Hi, I noticed you'd made an edit to this new article, so was wondering if you would add your support to it's nomination for Collaboration of the Week. Simply add your support here. Obviously such a big project needs as many users with relevant knowledge as possible, so hopefully this will promote it a little. Thanks, Grunners 00:43, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

### Wikipedia rant reversion

Mind I ask why you see a need to erase anything critical of Wikipedia? I'm not even voicing these criticisms myself; I'm saying they've been made.

If you don't respond soon, I'm reverting.

And who are you, kid, to call my post a "rant"? EventHorizon 20:42, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have replied on Talk:Wikipedia - Fredrik | talk 20:51, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'd be honoured if you nominated me. Thank you.-gadfium 06:43, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

### Image of Carmack

Hey, Fredrik, Kudos on that image of Carmack coding. I just noticed it. That's a great picture! Thanks for adding it. :-) Frecklefoot | Talk 21:29, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Image:Adrian_Carmack.jpg -- Different Carmack, I know, but I noticed that it does not have a copyright tag. I've tagged it gfdl for now; please change it if you feel it warrants a different tag. Thanks, EagleOne 03:29, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

### RFC pages on VfD

Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:40, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

### Unverified images

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 04:08, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

### Contribs graph

If you have the time, would you mind updating the contribs graph you made for me? Thanks. Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 00:51, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

### Rienzo

Since you have been involved with Rienzo before, you probably ought to see

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Rienzo and his sockpuppets

CheeseDreams 01:54, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

### Sources namespace idea.

WikiThanks for the sources namespace idea. — Jeandré, 2004-12-17t16:18z

Re: [3]. I'm eager for folk to agree on a way to show sources so we can really push ahead with this. I was thinking of how to improve the notes when I saw your suggestion, smacked my head, and was enlightened. — Jeandré, 2004-12-17t19:48z
It would be great if you'd help advertise this. That kind of work is not my strength... Fredrik | talk 19:50, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

### Image tag

I'm guessing you've just added to an already free-floating image(Image:Earth icon Fredrik.png), but if you know the copyright status, could you add it? Thanks! Denni 22:25, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

Actually I drew it. Thanks for the notice. Fredrik | talk 22:30, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)