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Hello Froid, and welcome to Wikipedia! Here are some recommended guidelines to help you get involved. Please feel free to contact me if you need help with anything. Best of luck and happy editing! Alphachimpbot 12:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, one or more of the external links you added to the page Underground Railroad do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.

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In general, blogs are not valid links for Wikipedia. The link you added to Underground Railroad has been removed. -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) (Talk) 23:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Towaco, New Jersey[edit]

Hello, this message is in regard to one of your recent edits. I reverted this addition because the information contained, and linked to, an address. I do not believe such material is permitted per WP:DOB. Akerans (talk) 18:49, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the courtesy of letting me know, and also for correcting my misstep. Many Wikipedia articles about municipalities (e.g., Freeport, New York) list the names of notable residents. Moreover, the Giudice's home address has been bandied about widely in the news because of that family's bankruptcy proceedings and public notices of an auction to be held there. However, I wholeheartedly respect the Wikipedia policy you alerted me to, which protects the privacy of subjects' home addresses. Therefore, to honor that policy, while at the same time adhering to the aforementioned common pratice of publishing sections such as, "Notable Freeporters", I will post a modified entry supported by a different credible, supporting reference that does not specify the Giudice's actual home address. I hope that will be acceptable.

(The?) Bronx[edit]

Hi Froid, You've wandered into a long-standing/winded ongoing debate about whether the article should be The Bronx or the Bronx. RFC on the talk page going on right now. You're other edits were great, but I think its best if you hold off changing The to the until the debate gets resolved. They may all need to be reverted, because IMHO, The will prevail. Bellagio99 (talk) 01:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

References[edit]

Medical articles on Wikipedia are written based on the best available evidence in a consistent format. A list of resources to help you edit can be found here. The diberri tool will aid formatting the references for us in articles. All one needs to do is cut and paste the results. The welcome page is another good place to learn about editing the encyclopedia. If you have any questions feel free to drop me a note. Cheers Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

November 2010[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svg You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Self harm. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Jdrewitt (talk) 15:12, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Self-harm[edit]

Please listen to other people and stop readding the same section. Several usernames have reverted your edits, and one of them may block you for edit warring, even it's in good faith. Go to Talk:Self-harm and discuss with them why it's important to include pop culture references about self-harm. --John KB (talk) 15:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Formatting of disambiguation pages[edit]

Hello. I've reverted your edits to Apple (disambiguation), per WP:MOSDAB. --Mepolypse (talk) 08:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

The Willy Wonka Candy Company and Laffy Taffy[edit]

You added sections of "in popular culture" references to these articles, yet both were unsourced and the entries didn't do much to improve an encyclopedic understanding of the articles' subjects, so I removed them. If you want to write about how a subject has been received by the media you should find some reliable sources that discuss the subject's reception and add a summary of this into the article, citing the source as a reference. Just listing everytime the subject has made an appearance in the media is original research and creates a cleanup headache down the line. ThemFromSpace 23:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

January 2011[edit]

Hello, I saw that you have been linking some common words. Please review WP:OVERLINK to see what links are of value. Erik (talk | contribs) 00:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


Perhaps interested[edit]

Hi, you might be interested in checking out this article that I suggested and ErrantX started. Schenecker double murders.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

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Thanks for your recent contributions! -129.49.72.78 (talk) 19:07, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Touhou Wiki[edit]

Just a heads up, but the touhou wiki has moved to http://touhouwiki.net . More info here: [1] -- Master Bigode (Talk) (Contribs) 20:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Alphabetization on disambiguation pages[edit]

From a glance at your contributions, it appears you may be under the impression that disambiguation pages are supposed to be alphabetized as a rule. They're not. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I came here to give you the same message: please do not alphabetize dab pages. The entries should usually be in order of importance, or in some other topical order (such as by birth year for people with the same name). It would be helpful if you would go through your contribution history and undo every edit where you have alphabetized dab pages.--Srleffler (talk) 03:28, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Oftentimes the content on the disambiguation pages is RANDOMLY ordered, with no discernible logical or order of importance. In such cases, Wikipedia appears to be unprofessional and sloppy! Such content should be ordered in some discernible, logical fashion, with a schema that is neither tacit nor random. You'll note that the work I did improves rather than detracts from the "dab" pages I edited. Froid 10:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes, disambiguation pages are often sloppy and random, but not always. Many have been organized by people in accordance with the MOS's suggested logical criteria, and you appear to make no distinction in those cases, disrupting the logical and sanctioned order of entries in order to apply an order that is, at best, only modestly more usable than randomization. I disagree that your work is an improvement, at least in many cases, and I will feel free to revert such edits (that detract from the page) as long as they contradict the MOS guidelines. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
An example of your alphabetizing a page to make it less logical. Did you really find it so logically incoherent that a) the Substances section was near the top of the page because users who search for "lime" are probably more likely to be looking for the common building material than Limé, a French community of 187 people that isn't even called Lime? and b) that in the Substances section, it makes more sense to list the generic term first, followed by the more specific terms, rather than listing two specific terms and then the generic term and then another specific term? Perhaps you wouldn't be so convinced that alphabetization is the absolute optimum ordering system if you ever bothered to look at what systems were already in use. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Your condesending tone is less than professional, uncollegial, and unwarranted. So take a chill pill. If you'll note, the top of the "dab" page includes a contents table/index, which allows users to easily find the contents of interest. You haven't convinced me that my work hasn't improved the pages I've edited. On the other hand, you've done nothing to dispel the impression that many have about the less than favorable temperament of many Wikipedians. Froid 14:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I would probably have used a friendlier tone if I'd been less cynical about the likelihood that you would re-consider your methods (or if you'd acknowledged my comment when I posted it a month ago). You're not a newbie; you've made thousands of edits in the last month alone, most of which seem to be doing the exact same thing. In my experience, people who edit like that tend to pay very little heed to suggestions that they change their patterns, no matter how courteously those suggestions are presented. Your lack of response to two concrete examples of how your editing style is irrational and damaging is strong enough affirmation of me that trying to discuss it with you is pointless. You like to alphabetize pages; you've rationalized in your head that this is a good thing; you're not going to discuss reasons that it may not be a good thing; if I come across a page that you've alphabetized or otherwise edited and I want to re-order it in order to improve it and bring it in line with guidelines, I'll feel free to do that. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:57, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Again with the 'tude! Methinks part of your issue is the need to feel validated. Froid 15:08, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Disorder in an encyclopedia, as I stated earlier, is unprofessional and sloppy. So if you choose to order things other than chronologically or alphabetically, it would be good to make explicit what the order is so users can easily find what they're seeking and so the order does NOT appear to be sloppy and random. Froid 15:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
The MOS, as I linked in my original comment, explicitly lays out the guidelines for ordering entries on a page. These guidelines are designed to make the most likely targets -- the topics that have dedicated articles and are most similar to the disambiguated term -- the most visible. Someone who searches for "Lime" is more likely to be searching for a town called Lime than a town called Limé; therefore, we put the town called Lime at the top. Someone who searches for "Lime" is more likely to be looking for a general discussion of the building material referred to as lime than for a specific variant such as hydraulic lime; therefore, we put the generic material at the top. If you disagree, then you should go to the MOS talk page and propose changing the guidelines to advise simply sorting everything alphabetically. (Also, you can continue making contrived remarks attempting to get my goat if you want, but I suggest you aim for something not quite so random. Yeah, my comment that I'm resigned to your ignoring me and continuing to make bad edits and I'll just fix them if I feel like it -- I sure am just begging you to validate me, aren't I? For your own sake I really hope you're not oblivious to the hypocrisy in making remarks like that one as you berate me for being rude and condescending.) Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I hope my comments haven't deterred you from participating in Wikipedia. That was not my intention. Theoldsparkle (talk) 00:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your recent note. Would you please read my post of August 7 on Srleffler's User Talk page (here)? Froid 15:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Froid, even if the ordering on a page is random, alphabetization is not appropriate. The guidelines specify how entries on dab pages should be ordered. Your edits do not comply with this specification. Either put pages into the correct order, or leave the ordering alone. Do not arbitrarily alphabetize dab pages.--Srleffler (talk) 17:40, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Removal of red links from dab pages[edit]

Entries on dab pages are allowed to have two links if the primary one is red. In this case you removed the link to the title of a film (which was a red link). The red link is there because an article may eventually be created on that film. If this seems unlikely, then the whole entry should be deleted. See MOS:DABRL for info on red links on dab pages, and note that MOS:DABENTRY says "Each entry should have exactly one navigable (blue) link" (emphasis mine). An entry can have two links, as long as one of them is nonworking (red). The red link has to be to a viable article title.

Sorry to be raising another issue with you while the previous one is still being discussed. I'm not trying to pick on you. It's just that editors who enjoy doing large numbers of technical clean-up edits (e.g. to dab pages) can do a lot of damage very quickly if they are not aware of all the guidelines.--Srleffler (talk) 05:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi, do I know you?[edit]

Hi,

Are you also under the name Kaigon sometimes? (other applications)

regards, CK Karcih (talk) 18:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello CK. No, I'm not. Best wishes, Froid. Froid 21:15, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

A little advice[edit]

Hi. Just a reminder: if you're going to be adding information about people's ex-wives and divorces and such, you really should try to cite some sources. See WP:BLP. Thanks. Zagalejo^^^ 03:09, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Help with My Page[edit]

Hi. I am a student at Clemson University, and for my English class we have an assignment to edit a wikipedia page. I am working on National Outdoor Leadership School's wikipedia page. From the changes that I have made so far, could you give me suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcxc1234 (talkcontribs) 01:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for BOHICA [edit]

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, BOHICA , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Cnilep (talk) 01:11, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Page Six in "See Also" section of Page 6[edit]

Hi there,

I removed your link to Page Six in the "see also" section of Page 6. The "See also" section is normally used for listing related articles likely to be of relevance or interest to the article that precedes it.

The NY Post "Page Six" column/magazine is unrelated (i.e. it only required mentioning to clarify any potential confusion over the similar name), so a disambiguation "hatnote" is more appropriate. (There was already one in the article, so I left it in place).

Hope this helps, Ubcule (talk) 22:13, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Jon Roberts in Hollywood[edit]

I have reverted your edit adding Jon Roberts as a notable resident of Hollywood, Florida because the article about Jon Roberts has no mention of Hollywood, and the citation you placed on the entry was to an advertisement for his book. Please provide a reliable source for Jon Roberts' residency in Hollywood if you want to add him again. -- Donald Albury 20:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Followed Donald Albury's good advice!

July 2012 Study of authors of health-related Wikipedia pages[edit]

Dear Author/Froid

My name is Nuša Farič and I am a Health Psychology MSc student at University College London (UCL). I am currently running a quantitative study entitled Who edits health-related Wikipedia pages and why? I am interested in the editorial experience of people who edit health-related Wikipedia pages. I am interested to learn more about the authors of health-related pages on Wikipedia and what motivations they have for doing so. I am currently contacting the authors of randomly selected articles and I noticed that someone at this address recently edited an article on Methamphetamine. I would like to ask you a few questions about you and your experience of editing the above mentioned article. If you would like more information about the project, please visit my user page (Hydra_Rain) and if interested, please visit my Talk page or e-mail me on nusa.faric.11@ucl.ac.uk. Also, others interested in the study may contact me! If I do not hear back from you I will not contact this account again. Thank you very much in advance. Hydra Rain (talk) 22:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Spoilers in episode lists?[edit]

Hi, I see you've been involved in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television. I have begun a discussion on spoilers in episode lists and would appreciate your input. -- ke4roh (talk) 02:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Your help would be appreciated[edit]

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Suicides in bridge articles[edit]

Greetings. While I appreciate the effort and research done on suicides, they are not appropriate for these articles. Copy-cat suicides can happen just to be included in such lists, and we really don't need that. From my point of view, no suicides are significant, except to their family and friends, and no names should be included. If people want to die this way, we can mention that fact, and maybe what's being done to make it harder to do, but going beyond that is not a good idea. My opinion only. - Denimadept (talk) 07:54, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Denimadept - While those names have been publicly documented (e.g., in the citations I provided), publishing them in Wikipedia is an issue I certainly won't press, as I don't want to contribute in any way to encouraging copycats or to glorifying suicides. I agree with you, however, that it's a good idea to mention suicide-prevention efforts. I also think it's important to provide information or links within suicide bridge articles about how painful it is to die by jumping/falling off a bridge, as many news reports (as in the case of Tyler Clementi) merely cite drowning, bruising and blunt injuries (a practice which euphemizes the gory details and does nothing to dissuade potential jumpers). To whit, here's an excerpt and associated citation from Suicide_of_Tyler_Clementi#Suicide: "The medical examiner's autopsy report cites drowning as the cause of death, and notes blunt impact injuries to his torso."[1] In response, I added to the following article to the Tyler Clementi article's External links section: John Koopman, Chronicle Staff Writer (2 November 2005). "No easy death: Suicide by bridge (Part 4 of a 7-part series)". San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved 29 July 2012.  More than one of |website= and |journal= specified (help) - Froid 10:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
There is more discussion in Talk:The Bridge (2006 film). I returned Gene-section googletranslated it from es-wiki, before noticing it has been there earlier; that i find out from redirect of Gene Sprague. I feel Gene-section is important part of the article. Have anyone heard of copycats making their leape same way asking someone to film it?--RicHard-59 (talk) 09:24, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Richard - Regarding your copycats inquiry: I am unaware of any such exact case. However, two somewhat-related instances have been publicized. One (I can't recall where I read about it) is the case of a professional Hollywood stunt man, who jumped from the bridge in connection with a feature film that scripted that action. The other instance, posted at Golden_Gate_Bridge#Suicides, was a really stupid stunt on the part of Windsor High School student Luhe "Otter" Vilagomez, who on March 10, 2011 sought to impress his schoolmates by jumping on a dare. Fortunately, he survived and fared better than most jumpers, including those who've survived.[2][3] Also fortunately, police have recommended imposing criminal charges for that stunt.[2] TO DO LIST: find out what charges were actually imposed and include that info in the article. - Froid 10:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I understand the names are in the cited sources. I'm glad we agree on this. It's one thing for a newspaper to document a death for one day, just after it happened, but given that WP keeps such stuff up for an indefinite time, I'm glad we can agree to leave it out. If people want the details, they're welcome to check the cites. :-/ The more substantial "suicides" section at the GGB article seems appropriate. I'm not a big fan of such, but I don't have to be: it's part of reality and these people didn't ask me for permission. - Denimadept (talk) 17:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ LINSEY DAVIS (@LinseyDavis) and EMILY FRIEDMAN (@EmilyABC) (September 30, 2010). "NJ Gov. Wonders How Rutgers 'Spies' Can Sleep at Night After Tyler Clementi's Suicide". ABC World News with Diane Sawyer (abcnews.go.com). Retrieved 29 July 2012. 
  2. ^ Preuitt, Lori (March 10, 2011). "Student Survives Jump From Golden Gate Bridge". NBC Bay Area. NBC Bay Area. Retrieved March 10, 2011. 
  3. ^ Tom Leonard (14 March 2011). "Teenager jumps 220ft off Golden Gate Bridge suicide spot for dare and LIVES". Daily Mail/Mail Online. Retrieved 29 July 2012.  More than one of |website= and |journal= specified (help)

Typo check needed[edit]

Hi. Can you check my typo in the article Whole Country is Red. Im sure the text i wrote has errors. -RicHard-59 (talk) 20:48, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Richard - The Wikipedia article you posted too closely replicates the wording of the "Top 13" article, and needs a rewrite to summarize the material in your own words. - Froid 07:29, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

People associated with Anne Frank[edit]

My sincere compliments on your editing work on "People Associated With Anne Frank". Bravo! I did make one grammatical correction to "Hannelore Klein". Melos Antropon (talk) 05:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


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Fixed 'em all! Froid 04:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Accidental blanking?[edit]

Hello. With this edit, I had noticed that you had removed most of the page content. Was this an accident, or did you intend to remove the material? Thanks. 2602:304:59B8:1C79:9904:6C8D:6C7D:459F (talk) 02:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Sheesh! Thanks for the heads-up. That was a huge error on my part; not even sure how that happened. I've restored the inadvertently deleted content.

Rick Grimes as an everyman[edit]

Normally I revert uncited examples in everyman immediately, given that most additions are drive-bys. I haven't done that in this case but I feel I must insist that examples be cited. Mangoe (talk) 03:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Done! I noticed the the Jim Halpert example was uncited as well, so I added a citation for that entry, too. Additionally, I performed some cleanup on the page (e.g., I properly formatted the bare url for the Stan Marsh entry).
Thanks. I get so tired of people who don't understand the concept adding any character who isn't a complete weirdo. Mangoe (talk) 01:27, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on United States Army Corps of Engineers[edit]

Hi Froid. Thanks for contributing to United States Army Corps of Engineers. I feel that such a significant agency should be portrayed to higher standards through the proper use of citations of third-party sources than it is. Anything you can do to help would be welcome! Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 21:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Agreed! Just posted citations for the Pentagon and Manhattan Project. Froid 22:15, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Noble Savage[edit]

Hi Froid,

Your section on the Noble Savage Today is entirely without references. I think I understand what you are trying to say, namely that the motion pictures you list arguably depict tribal or primitive people in an idealized or "unrealistic" way, but you need to back up your statements with citations from a reliable source, otherwise it comes off as a mere opinion of yours and is not encyclopedic in tone or content. Thanks. Mballen (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Mballen - Click that article's "View history" tab, and you'll see that I edited the article's preexisting content but did not provide said content. My only contribution, besides copyediting, was to add a link under "See also/Cultural examples" that directs readers to Perspective that contributed to Hells Angels' use as security for some 1960s rock concerts. That section documents that fact that Ken Kesey referred to the Hell's Angels as "noble savages", explains his rationale, and provides a credible citation. - Froid 22:29, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
My sincere apologies and thanks for the clarification. I've forgotten how to add needs citation tag, actually, or would have done so! 173.77.77.172 (talk) 23:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC) Mballen (talk) 23:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Froid, I had a look at the citation from James Miller and found that, so far as I can see, it was he and not Ken Kesey who used the word "noble savages" to describe the Hells Angels and I therefore changed the article to reflect this. It is interesting that rock critic Miller happens also to be a professor of political science who wrote a book about Rousseau, accusing Rousseau of being a precursor to totalitarian democracy and even Stalinism. Therefore, I would conclude he was not a neutral observer but that in using the epithet "noble savage" had an ax to grind. Best. Mballen (talk) 22:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Also, thanks for the heads' up about how to insert citation needed. Very useful.

Broken City[edit]

Hi, Froid. I don't think it is necessary to recap Allen's career in Broken City‍ '​s "Production" section. I do understand the partial relevance of mentioning what similar stuff he has directed before. Maybe we could do a "Notes" section like American Beauty (film) has? Erik (talk | contribs) 00:44, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

character's[edit]

Hi Froid, can you please explain how "character's" is correct and not simply "character". The sentence "Sarah Wayne Callies is still credited among the main cast, despite her character's being killed off" doesn't seem right. I've re-read it a bunch of times, and it seems wrong. For example, "Sarah Wayne Callies' character is killed of" is correct, but surely "Sarah Wayne Callies character's is killed of" is not. Why would "character" need an 's when it's referring to one character, not multiple. I'm genuinely confused, and I really want to know why that is correct. It'd be great if you could explain it. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:09, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Drovethrughosts - The rule is: use the possessive case before gerunds (words ending with -ing). See rules 12 and 13 at GrammarBook.com: Apostrophes Froid 22:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Okay, those examples make perfect sense. But do you not agree the sentence still doesn't sound right at all? Or is it just me? While repeating the sentence back to myself another hundred times, I figured it makes sense when in future tense, "her character's being killed off", as in "her character is being killed of" but her character was/has been killed off. Am I on to something or am I still in the wrong? Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:58, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Drovethrughosts - The explanations for your thinking [note the use of the possessive pronoun "your", followed by the gerund "thinking"] the corrected sentence doesn't sound right are:
  1. You're only newly acquainted with the grammar rule that sentence obeys, so you haven't yet developed a reliable ear for the proper usage, and
  2. The rule is commonly broken, both orally and in writing, so you've become accustomed to such violations.
I'm glad you followed up on this issue, because we Wikipedia editors should take care to avoid making grammatical errors as well as correct those we find.
Best wishes, Froid 00:37, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Any chance the word "being" can be replaced with "been" in that sentence (and still be grammatically correct, it has to be). To me, that sounds perfectly correct and won't drive me nuts everytime I read that sentence, lol. I feel there's a tense problem (been -> being) with that sentence, and that's what fucking me up, no? Thanks again. Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Actually, the use of "being" is incorrect. The sentence should read "the character's having been killed off", so I've made that correction. Thanks for pointing it out. Froid 16:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Wait, can it just say "despite her character has been killed off"? That sounds perfectly right. Thanks for dealing with me over just a minor thing (and probably slightly annoyed), ha. Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Drovethrughosts - Your proposed replacement phrase, "Despite her character has been killed off", is sooooo incorrect; ouch! The sentence as currently written is grammatically correct; please don't change it.
You've already acknowledged that you're unfamiliar with the rule of grammar that applies in this instance and, consequently, applying that rule here doesn't sound right to you. May I respectfully suggest, then, that the appropriate next step is NOT to mangle the sentence to make yourself feel comfortable, but rather for you to either: (1) give yourself time to become comfortable with the grammatically correct sentence construction , or (2) let this issue go and move on. Best wishes, Froid 17:31, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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You definitely earned this one! Thank you for all your hard work. It's greatly appreciated! Recollected (talk) 22:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

About your TWD notice[edit]

Hi Froid! I didn't change "Shumpert" to "bowman", I did the exact opposite. Maybe an unregistered user changed it. I believe this is all a misunderstanding. Thanks for you work in the TWD pages though. Jal11497 (talk) 07:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Your signature[edit]

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Thanks for the heads up. I've made the change. The preview indicates it did the trick. Froid (talk) 14:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Yep, that's it. It's fine now. Sorry about the duplicate message. Graham87 07:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Max Jacobson[edit]

I see you have made recent additions to the article. The page numbers for the book you cite are missing. If you know the page numbers, please add them in. Thanks, Kierzek (talk) 12:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Kierzek: I linked an online article that isn't paginated; I did, however, provide the url. Cheers, Froid (talk) 12:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Kierzek (talk) 12:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to a Wicnic in Gainesville on Saturday, June 22nd[edit]

Greetings!

Seeing that you've edited the article on Gainesville on Wikipedia, I'm inviting to the North Central Florida 2013 Great American Wiknic that will be on Saturday June 22, 2013, commencing at 1:00 pm, ten blocks north of UF campus in Gainesville,.

If you're able and inclined to come, please RSVP at at this URL.

Type to you later, Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 20:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

RSVP'd June 1 Froid (talk) 17:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Your edit to everyman[edit]

I'm sorry to have to revert your edit, but it has no citation and it seems to me, looking at the movie's article, to be a questionable analysis of the character. Fields's stock drunk character is its own type. But at any rate, this article has been plagued with people putting in uncited examples, so I've had to be very hard-nosed about removing them. If you can come up with a citations, you are obviously welcome to re-add this example. Mangoe (talk) 13:40, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Undid the revert and added a parenthetical comment and multiple citations with quotations noting Fields' "Everyman" characters in several talking pictures. Froid (talk) 14:31, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter[edit]

Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013

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Greetings Wikipedia Library members! Welcome to the inaugural edition of Books and Bytes, TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of Books and Bytes, please add your name to the subscriber's list. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved...

New positions: Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, or a Volunteer Wikipedia Librarian

Wikipedia Loves Libraries: Off to a roaring start this fall in the United States: 29 events are planned or have been hosted.

New subscription donations: Cochrane round 2; HighBeam round 8; Questia round 4... Can we partner with NY Times and Lexis-Nexis??

New ideas: OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges

News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY

Announcing WikiProject Open: WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions

New ways to get involved: Visiting scholar requirements; subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration

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The Wikipedia Library's Books and Bytes newsletter (#2)[edit]

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Welcome to the second issue of The Wikipedia Library's Books & Bytes newsletter! Read on for updates about what is going on at the intersection of Wikipedia and the library world.

Wikipedia Library highlights: New accounts, new surveys, new positions, new presentations...

Spotlight on people: Another Believer and Wiki Loves Libraries...

Books & Bytes in brief: From Dewey to Diversity conference...

Further reading: Digital library portals around the web...

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Books & Bytes New Years Double Issue[edit]

Books & Bytes

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Volume 1 Issue 3, December/January 2013

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Happy New Year, and welcome to a special double issue of Books & Bytes. We've included a retrospective on the changes and progress TWL has seen over the last year, the results of the survey TWL participants completed in December, some of our plans for the future, a second interview with a Wiki Love Libraries coordinator, and more. Here's to 2014 being a year of expansion and innovation for TWL!

The Wikipedia Library completed the first 6 months of its Individual Engagement grant last week. Here's where we are and what we've done:
Increased access to sources: 1500 editors signed up for 3700 free accounts, individually worth over $500,000, with usage increases of 400-600%
Deep networking: Built relationships with Credo, HighBeam, Questia, JSTOR, Cochrane, LexisNexis, EBSCO, New York Times, and OCLC
New pilot projects: Started the Wikipedia Visiting Scholar project to empower university-affiliated Wikipedia researchers
Developed community: Created portal connecting 250 newsletter recipients, 30 library members, 3 volunteer coordinators, and 2 part-time contractors
Tech scoped: Spec'd out a reference tool for linking to full-text sources and established a basis for OAuth integration
Broad outreach: Wrote a feature article for Library Journal's The Digital Shift; presenting at the American Library Association annual meeting
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Books & Bytes, Issue 4[edit]

Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 4, February 2014

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News for February from your Wikipedia Library.

Donations drive: news on TWL's partnership efforts with publishers

Open Access: Feature from Ocaasi on the intersection of the library and the open access movement

American Library Association Midwinter Conference: TWL attended this year in Philadelphia

Royal Society Opens Access To Journals: The UK's venerable Royal Society will give the public (and Wikipedians) full access to two of their journal titles for two days on March 4th and 5th

Going Global: TWL starts work on pilot projects in other language Wikipedias

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Pullman porter article[edit]

Thanks so much for your excellent copy edit of the article! I will fix the citations you asked for, but I'm not sure what you are suggesting for the "out of date" tag. I wrote the article and I've searched the web for any information I could find and included it. What were you suggesting for updates? Gandydancer (talk) 18:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gandydancer:
Thanks for the kind feedback! The section of the article I labeled "outdated" indicated that two men were SCHEDULED to speak at the museum's 50th anniversary; since that date has past, the section needs updating to indicate whether or not they ACTUALLY spoke. Would you please edit that section to indicate whether they ACTUALLY did it or not?
FYI, my great uncle was a Pullman porter, so for me that article is especially interesting and important. Thank you for writing and maintaining it! Froid (talk) 03:42, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Of course I was aware that it would have been good to follow up that information but I've never been able to find a follow up. In my experience this is not unusual, I run into the problem all the time. I reworded the information and hope that you do not replace the tag. I could have removed the men's names, but I have so much respect for these men who faced so much discrimination and yet somehow endured. I like the idea of having the "power" of adding their name to wikipedia--it is one of the few joys that an editor gets around this place. :) I did it in my Gandy dancer article as well. Where was your great uncle living when He was a porter? Was he black? Gandydancer (talk) 23:56, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi again, Gandydancer,
Love your wiki handle! Are you a current or former railroad worker?
I see what you mean about finding updated info about actual attendees and won't re-post the "outdated" tag. Instead, I posted references providing further info about the two former Pullman porters who were scheduled to speak at the anniversary event.
Yes, my great uncle was black. He's originally from Virginia, but I'm unsure where he was living at the time he became a Pullman porter (and therefore what city/state he'd have listed in the registry). I look forward to learning much more from my folks.
What a great find for the article! Again, you have been a great help in both your info hunting and your edits. I do the best I can, but I really am not at all gifted when it comes to writing.
No, I didn't work on the railroads. I am retired--I was an RN. But I actually did sleep in a berth when I was little, perhaps four years old. It was during the war years and my dad had been shipped out and "Mama" took us on the train to live in our family home in Northern Minnesota while he was gone.
A black uncle! Not too many white people can say that! Yes, do learn everything you can from your parents. Information that is not written down has a way of getting lost forever.
I'm going to use some of the new info you found in the article so please check back later and see if I've left more work for you. ;) Gandydancer (talk) 23:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi Gandydancer,
Wish I'd written down what Mom told me about my Pullman porter uncle, or requested more details sooner, as she now can't remember. Fortunately, we're having a family reunion this summer, so I'll ask around then.
RE: "A black uncle! Not too many white people can say that!" Why do you think I'm white?
RE: "I'm going to use some of the new info you found in the article so please check back later and see if I've left more work for you. ;)" - It's fun collaborating on an article in this way! - Cheers, Froid (talk) 23:49, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Why do I think you're white? Well, I did wonder...but in my experience a lot of people here do not like to offer any personal information. It's something I don't understand as I'm not that way at all. Now I'm feeling a little embarrassed about it all... Gandydancer (talk) 02:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
No need for embarrassment, friend. - Froid (talk) 01:28, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 5[edit]

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Issue 5, March 2014
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  • New Visiting Scholar positions
  • TWL Branch on Arabic Wikipedia, microgrants program
  • Australian articles get a link to librarians
  • Spotlight: "7 Reasons Librarians Should Edit Wikipedia"

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OER inquiry[edit]

Hi Froid, I'm sending you this message because you're one of about 300 users who have recently edited an article in the umbrella category of open educational resources (OER) (or open education). In evaluating several projects we've been working on (e.g. the WIKISOO course and WikiProject Open), my colleague Pete Forsyth and I have wondered who chooses to edit OER-related articles and why. Regardless of whether you've taken the WIKISOO course yourself - and/or never even heard the term OER before - we'd be extremely grateful for your participation in this brief, anonymous survey before 27 April. No personal data is being collected. If you have any ideas or questions, please get in touch. My talk page awaits. Thanks for your support! - Sara FB (talk) 20:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Don't tag...[edit]

...fix it. Drive-by tagging simply leaves the work for other people to do, it's much more collegial (and efficient) if you actually fix the problem instead. BMK (talk) 02:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

There's no prohibition against noting cn's and unreferenced articles, pages, and sections. Moreover, both noting the need for references and contributing said references contribute to improving Wikipedia. Sometimes I do fix the problem (which cleans up work the original contributor left undone); at other times while reading an article that I see needs citations or better references, I indicate that need, but I may be focused on another agenda or have limited time to chase down references, in which cases it would be INEFFICIENT for me to switch gears to go on a reference hunt. In still other instances, I might be reading Wikipedia on a device (such as my phone or ereader) that permits me to note the need for references but is ill-equipped to search for and/or type them in. Whatever the case - whether I hunt down and fix a reference or not - it would be irresponsible to notice the need for references yet not indicate that finding. Froid (talk) 03:01, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Also, I see you have reverted my notes indicating the need for references. You appear to be unfamiliar with the rules for using references - one cannot merely state facts without providing supporting evidence. If you dislike providing such evidence, don't just remove the tags; let someone else provide such support. And please read one or more of the following guides for citing references, found at such links as these:
I'm going to replace my good faith and well-founded edits. Let's not get into an edit war; if you dislike my notations, then please call in a mediator. Froid (talk) 03:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I've requested input from a third party to help resolve this: see Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Bryant_Park. Froid (talk) 03:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, 9 years here and 145K+ edits means that I'm "unfamiliar" with referencing. Stop being so fucking lazy and fix a problem when you see it. And stop tagging "the sky is blue" facts. BMK (talk) 04:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I've expanded my request for intervention (regarding your reactions to my tags pointing out unreferenced and underreferenced content) to now also include attention to your disruptive and uncivil (category 1a 1b, 1c, and 1d) behavior. As per Wikipedia guidelines, I'll tag your user talk page accordingly. Froid (talk) 08:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Help please[edit]

Hi there Froid, would you please take a look at the first two paragraphs under the "Later events" section of the Emmett Till article where I just made a few changes? It's a GA and I'd like to get it right. It's mostly the placement of commas that concerns me, but any other needed tweaks would be appreciated. Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 13:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Gandydancer. Done! Hope all's well. Best wishes, Froid (talk) 09:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library: New Account Coordinators Needed[edit]

Hi Books & Bytes recipients: The Wikipedia Library has been expanding rapidly and we need some help! We currently have 10 signups for free account access open and several more in the works... In order to help with those signups, distribute access codes, and manage accounts we'll need 2-3 more Account Coordinators.

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Commas[edit]

Hello, thanks for your edit to How to Win Friends and Influence People. However, I've removed the commas you added to the article because I find them quite clunky; perhaps it's an English variant issue. Graham87 15:01, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi User talk:Graham87, I appreciate your letting me know, but I've reverted your reversion. The commas are not an "English variant" (i.e., style) issue but rather a basic punctuation/ issue; without them, the article is grammatically incorrect. In case you feel strongly about this matter, I don't want either of us to provoke an edit war and have opened a discussion on the matter at Talk:How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People#Commas_debate. Froid (talk) 00:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Credo[edit]

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Sunday August 17: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share[edit]

Sunday August 17: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share
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You are invited to join the the Wikimedia NYC community for our upcoming wiki-salon and knowledge-sharing workshop on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

2pm–5pm at Yeoryia Studios at Epic Security Building, 2067 Broadway (5th floor).

Afterwards at 5pm, we'll walk to a social wiki-dinner together at a neighborhood restaurant (to be decided).

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WP:JSTOR access[edit]

Hello, WP:The Wikipedia Library has record of you being approved for access to JSTOR through the TWL partnership described at WP:JSTOR . You should have recieved a Wikipedia email User:The Interior or User:Ocaasi sent several weeks ago with instructions for access, including a link to a form collecting information relevant to that access. Please find that email, and follow those instructions. If you were not approved, did not recieve the email, or are having some other concern or question, please respond to this message at Wikipedia talk:JSTOR/Approved. Thanks much, Sadads (talk) 21:14, 5 August 2014 (UTC) Note: You are recieving this message from an semi-automatically generated list. If you think you were incorrectly contacted, make sure to note that at Wikipedia talk:JSTOR/Approved.

Digital rights management[edit]

Hi Froid,

I have rmeoved a section you added to this article as there was potential for it to be legally contentious. As the information is hosted in the Unied States linking to websites that provide advice and assistance with removing DRM protection as mentioned earlier in the article may fall foul of the following. In 1998, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) was passed in the United States to impose criminal penalties on those who make available technologies whose primary purpose and function are to circumvent content protection technologies. I feel that the information may still be able to be included without the link itself but as it was your edit you may want the opportunity to reword the section. If you want me to readd it with the potentially problematic bit removed just drop me a message. Amortias (T)(C) 09:59, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 8[edit]

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Issue 8, August-September2014
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  • TWL now a Wikimedia Foundation program, moves on from grant status
  • Four new donations, including large DeGruyter parntership, pilot with Elsevier
  • New TWL coordinators, Wikimania news, new library platform discussions, Wiki Loves Libraries update, and more
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Art+Feminism | Train the Trainers[edit]

Art+Feminism | Train the Trainers

Art+Feminism is pleased to announce Train the Trainers, a series of workshops in advance of the second annual international Art+Feminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon. We will provide tutorials for both the beginner Wikipedian and the more experienced editor. Learn the best practices on writing entries that stick and how to facilitate the empowerment of your community. The first workshop will take place on October 27, 2014 from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. at The Graduate Center of The City University of New York. Women, women-identified and male allies welcomed. Experienced editors please talk on the meet up page to help co-facilitate. Light refreshments will be served.

Hope to see you there! --Failedprojects (talk) 18:14, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Library Accounts Now Available (November 2014)[edit]

Hello Wikimedians!

The TWL OWL says sign up today :)

The Wikipedia Library is announcing signups today for, free, full-access accounts to published research as part of our Publisher Donation Program. You can sign up for:

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Thursday December 4: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share[edit]

Thursday December 4: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share
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Unblock[edit]

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Please unblock my login when I'm using a VPN network. The VPN network protects the security and privacy of my activities when I'm using public Wi-Fi or Wi-Fi on networks I fear may be subject to "sniffers" (I live/work in the New York Metro area, where that problem is widespread). Froid (talk) 16:26, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

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The IP address you're using has been blocked, because it acts like a proxy server. While we could grant you IP Block Exemption, this would only be done if there was an actual need for you to edit from this IP address. PhilKnight (talk) 17:31, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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New Wikipedia Library Accounts Now Available (December 2014)[edit]

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The TWL OWL says sign up today :)

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首里城[edit]

Hi. I reverted your edits on Shuri Castle because you made disruptive edits. I will readd the italics to the game titles. And why did you add a literature section and then removed it? ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 03:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello and Happy 2015,

"Disruptive edits"? Yikes! That sounds serious, and akin to vandalism. I certainly didn't think my good faith edits were disruptive. I'd be grateful if you would please explain why you found my edits disruptive.

I removed the literature section I'd added because I was editing while using my cellphone. I wanted to postpone that work until I was at my computer, from which I could more easily find a more precise citation. I'll hold off on adding that section, pending your reply. - Froid (talk) 12:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

@Froid: This edit was disruptive, as it made half of the top paragraph run off the page. You just made small wikicode mistakes that could have large effects. The "literature" and "games" section are a little unnecessary because of how small the "in popular culture" section is, but the book you were adding was fine and should be readded. Happy new year! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 17:29, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 9[edit]

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Issue 9, November-December 2014
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  • New donations, including real-paper-and-everything books, e-books, science journal databases, and more
  • New TWL coordinators, conference news, a new open-access journal database, summary of library-related WMF grants, and more
  • Spotlight: "Global Impact: The Wikipedia Library and Persian Wikipedia" - a Persian Wikipedia editor talks about their experiences with database access in Iran, writing on the Persian project and the JSTOR partnership

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Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon[edit]

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon
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You are invited to join us at New York Public Library's Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture for our upcoming editathon, a part of the Black WikiHistory Month campaign (which also includes events in Brooklyn and Westchester!).

12:00pm - 5:00 pm at NYPL Schomburg Center, 515 Malcolm X Boulevard (Lenox Avenue), by W 135th St

The Wikipedia training and editathon will take place in the Aaron Douglas Reading Room of the Jean Blackwell Hutson Research and Reference Division, with a reception following in the Langston Hughes lobby on the first floor of the building at 5:00pm.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 06:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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HELP WANTED: Good copy editor needed[edit]

Hi there Froid, I have (mostly) written an article, Lake City, Colorado, and I'm looking for a copy editor. I'm almost done and I'd sure like some feedback about it if you have any, and a copy edit. Are you interested and have the time? Gandydancer (talk) 12:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Gandydancer, Happy 2015! I made some copyedits, and added some details and references to your very interesting article. Cheers, Froid (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the fine edit. I hope that I did not hurt your feelings, but I cut back some of the Alferd Packer stuff since he has his own article. Hope all is well with you. Do you have time to do more copy editing? It would be good to have someone go through the Ebola in Africa article that I have worked on. We had a good copy editor for awhile but after the first talk page squawk (not about her work--just something she could not resist) she left and never came back. We have one editor that takes care of some things, but he does not improve phrasing the way she did and you do. Best, Gandy Gandydancer (talk) 23:07, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Re: Boss (TV series)[edit]

Thanks for your work on this article. I loved this show. Would be a great article to promote to GA status one day (and certainly easier than articles for shows which had many more seasons). Keep up the great work! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:15, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm sorry the show's creator declined the offer to complete the story via a film. Froid (talk) 00:09, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Me too. I thought that would have been a great opportunity to tie up some loose ends. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

The Borgias[edit]

"my change was valid and more appropriate than what you wrote; fyi - you do not own the article." My change was equally if not more valid, it undid a mistake you made and a hyphen was not inappropriate (it being one of those "differences between British English and American English" thingies). To suggest that I might think I "own" an article I had never looked at before and will never look at again is laughable. For your outstanding edit summary, and your careful editing - which you partially undid yourself, literally one minute later - you are my drongo of the day for 5 February 2015. Congratulations, there is no prize. YSSYguy (talk) 19:06, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Namecalling? Someone needs a time out.

Organizing content[edit]

Content is typically organized in medical articles per WP:MEDMOS Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:42, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Edit summaries[edit]

Hello Froid, and thanks for your contributions. Please remember it makes it easier everyone to watch pages and collaborate if you use edit summaries. Thanks in advance for considering that. One question: what's with the first and last changes in this edit? Eric talk 14:43, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 10[edit]

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Issue 10, January-February 2015
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  • New donations - ProjectMUSE, Dynamed, Royal Pharmaceutical Society, and Women Writers Online
  • New TWL coordinator, conference news, and a new guide and template for archivists
  • TWL moves into the new Community Engagement department at the WMF, quarterly review

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Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference[edit]

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC 2015
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You are invited to join us at Barnard College for Wikipedia Day NYC 2015, a Wikipedia celebration and mini-conference for the project's 14th birthday. In addition to the party, the event will be a participatory unconference, with plenary panels, lightning talks, and of course open space sessions.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

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The "Ellis Peters cabal" can call it what they like, but they've isolated themselves into an iconoclastic bubble. Wikipedia has been specifically engineered to permit/encourage such so-called "Easter egg" links which are among other purposes, meant to be used in the way I did in the edits to which you are referring. Froid (talk) 04:23, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Froid The Ellis Peters cabal? Do you have a list of names of editors who belong to that group? There are many editors for those articles, I think. When I added my bits to those articles, I was still pretty new to Wikipedia editing, and happy to learn from others how to contribute in a useful way. Some of the editors were very good writers, able to teach a lot with a timely edit. I failed to detect a cabal. And of course, I am still learning how to contribute in a useful way. Is this Easter egg thing discussed somewhere on Wikipedia? Besides the corrections I was asked to make, or course. --Prairieplant (talk) 03:42, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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David Chase Vox article retraction[edit]

Hi. Here Chase denies what Vox said: http://www.vulture.com/2014/08/david-chase-statement-response-to-tony-soprano-didnt-die.html . Even at the end of the Vox article, there is the mandatory mention of a retraction by Vox themselves, with a link to this: http://www.vox.com/2014/8/27/6076621/david-chase-responds-to-our-sopranos-piece . The Vox article has been criticized as a sensationalist fabrication meant to attract views, it does disservice to readers to know about it, as it may confuse them about Chase's overall stance towards the finale. We must not post journalist's lies to give them any undeserved attention. If Chase denies it, the article loses its legitimacy as being correct or notable. I hope you'll agree with me and change your mind about mentioning the Vox article. Even mentioning it and then its retraction would be confusing to readers, I think. The liars do not deserve any attention. TheBearPaw (talk) 06:19, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response and for the citations! Though I thoroughly understand your point of view, I disagree. Rationale: you and I are having a private discussion about this matter, yet many others are not privy to the retractions. Moreover, it's possible Chase said - sarcastically, and out of frustration to shut her up - exactly what the reporter printed, and later regretted doing so when it made it into print without the retraction he would likely have voiced in that same meeting. Whatever the truth is, the article is publicly available, its existence should be noted, and (I believe) so should Chase's rebuttal. Froid (talk) 06:34, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

RE: Fear the Walking Dead[edit]

Thanks for your work on this article. I posted some sources on the talk page about the pilot episode, if you have any interest in working on Pilot (Fear the Walking Dead). Either way, thanks again! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:55, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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