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Something slighty more reasonable than the (admittedly funny) attempt at getting an unblock above: Could you please move New Zealand Ministry of Economic Development to Ministry of Economic Development (New Zealand)? Thank you. Ingolfson (talk) 06:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Done.-gadfium 07:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Michael Joseph Savage's declaration of war[edit]

Unfortunately the source you quote gets a critical fact wrong - the time difference between NZMT (Mean Time) and GMT was 11:30 hours in September 1939, not the 10:30 hours mentioned. The UK was then on BST (GMT +1) and Germany did not observe any Summer Time in the interwar period (making British and German time the same). They suggest the reason this fact is in the public domain is because we're disingenuously misreading time zones - a false analogy since that would tend to put the UK's declaration in the morning and NZ's in the evening. It has nothing to do with misreading timezones, it is all about a British 15 minute delay between the commencement of the state of war and the PM's announcement of same.

The British Ambassador to Berlin, Nevile Henderson delivered the ultimatum stating German had two hours ("by 11:00 British Summer Time") to cease hostilites.

Savage declared war (in NZ) on Germany upon receiving notification from The Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs stating, "No reply received by eleven" - some 15 minutes before the British PM announced it to the British public "I am speaking to you from the Cabinet Room at 10 Downing Street....". The declarations were supposed to coincide - 11:00 in the UK, 21:30 in NZ. However, Neville Chamberlain's 15 minute delay before he spoke to the nation, has been taken to mean that Savage beat him to the post. Subsequently, the Governor General submitted the full proclamation to the Secretary of State at 01:55 on 4 September - further requesting the British government's assistance in passing on NZ's declaration to the German government. Fanx (talk) 14:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome to correct the article giving a better reference. Since there is confusion over this issue, a reference is essential. You might also like to contact the Ministry of Culture and Heritage to point out their mistake, since their website is a widely used and generally reliable resource. There is a feedback link on the page.-gadfium 17:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my talk page :) Grutness...wha? 22:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

LGBT New Zealand[edit]

Check the references properly before reversing them - stop being so lazy. has been using this page for advertising for years. the stats clearly show they are nowhere near the most popular site, and yet is consistently overwritten by them and it gets through. lets see some proper editorial instead of these lazy reversals. the whole point is not to allow advertising, and yet they hammer wiki until some other lazy editor lets it through —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: Message on my User talk Page[edit]

Hi there,

Thanks for your message - it seems that I have missed some of the changes that AWB made, I'll go through the articles that I've done so far.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The Helpful One 20:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Request to add section denied[edit]


I am trying to add a public health section on the Fiji wikipedia page. It keeps getting denied with the reason that it is not meant for advertising. There are articles about health issues affecting the population of Fiji that I would like to share with everyone. What do I do?

Dmakund (talk) 02:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

See the reply at Talk:Fiji#Public Health.-gadfium 08:09, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

"The picture doesn't look like her"[edit]

What is that supposed to mean? I will not re-add the image but it would be nice to read an explanation. This is the image we use in infobox Image:Bill Clinton.jpg for Bill Clinton even though he looks like this today Image:Bill Clinton @ Hillary Rally.jpg. Just because he got older doesn't mean we shouldn't use the official portrait of him as a president and just because she got older doesn't mean we shouldn't use the official portrait of her as a PM in the infobox.--Avala (talk) 23:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I apologise for reverting the edit before the one changing the image. I had not noticed that my view encompassed two edits, and the revert of that earlier edit was unintentional.
The 2005 picture has been extensively photoshopped. Helen Clark has never looked like that portrait. This is not just a matter of whether she is in makeup or not, and it has nothing to do with the normal aging process. US Presidents may normally have heavily edited portraits, but this is not the norm for New Zealand. It may be appropriate to use the 2005 picture to illustrate Clark as Prime Minister, as it is the official portrait used by the Office of the Prime Minister (or was until the last election), but it seems more reasonable on the article about the person to have a picture of her as she looks. I would have no objection to an earlier photo from the time she became PM.-gadfium 05:59, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if the official photo was edited or not but I think the current infobox photo is of very low quality. For a decade in office, is it really possible there is no other photo of her but these two extremes? Especially considering that the PM office allowed using their material. And one more thing - the infobox in article is called Infobox Prime Minister so I think it should depict her as a PM not as private person.--Avala (talk) 13:07, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you should continue discussing this on the talk page of the article, where you will get views from more people. My preference is for the 2007 picture, although I think it could be improved by adjusting the colour balance a bit. You are welcome to upload further pictures if you are aware of any available under suitably free licences.-gadfium 01:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Maori[edit]

I have reverted some changes made by two users - I thought the changes about the Moriori were a strong to be made without discussion and they are covered in the Moriori article. I couldn't see the justification claimed on the talk page for adding the cannibalism category. Anyway, you might want to take a look. Kahuroa (talk) 08:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)