User talk:Garion96/Archive 12
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- 1 Mylène Farmer en concert
- 2 Copyvio and Longcomment
- 3 Country Ghetto
- 4 Keir Dullea
- 5 AfD nomination of Todd Palin
- 6 Rationale for fair use
- 7 Todd Palin AFD Discussion
- 8 RfD nomination of Template:Non-free 2d art
- 9 Albert Niemann
- 10 Warning
- 11 Speedy delete request
- 12 Wardrobe Malfunction
- 13 My RfA...
- 14 April, May and June Duck
- 15 Flags
- 16 By The Light Of The Moon
- 17 The Seventh Coin
- 18 Incomplete revert of Antibiotic page
- 19 Lady Aleena's RfA
- 20 Conclusion: Image placeholders centralized discussion
- 21 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot
- 22 Spacewalking
- 23 Reverts
- 24 Romulus and Remus
- 25 MOSLOW
- 26 Sterling Holloway
- 27 Atlantis Picture
- 28 Flags
- 29 Why Didn't They Ask Evans?
- 30 Eisner
- 31 Nenad Bach Deletion
- 32 FLRC listing
- 33 People skills
- 34 could you please do me a favor?
- 35 Warnings
- 36 ANI
- 37 Time 100
- 38 Thanks for fixing vandalism to my talk page
- 39 Guesch Patti
- 40 The featured list contest
- 41 The Mist Publication Date
- 42 Rising Star
- 43 Sorry
- 44 Why
- 45 Generic cinema templates
- 46 Photo
- 47 RfA thanks
- 48 Leonard Feeney / Rvaste
- 49 Swimsuit issue templates
- 50 The traditional rfa thank you message
Thank you for having removed the template for speedy deletion.
I'm very surprise to see that Paddy Simcox had tagged this article as "not notable. It is blatant advertising for a company, product, group, service or person that would require a substantial rewrite in order to become an encyclopedia article". Yes, this article needs to be expanded (and I'll do), but a concert tour by a notable artist is not notable ? It is an advertising ? Moreover, sources in this article are not affilied with the subject, contrary to what Paddy Simcox thinks ("Page only has artist's own website for source"). Mylène Farmer doesn't have an official website, and current sources are taken from newspapers and a book about Mylène Farmer.
Will this article be proposed for deletion ?
- Thank you for your reply. I removed the flags (and I'll also remove those of other articles about Farmer's tours).
- Europe22 (talk) 22:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Copyvio and Longcomment
I've noticed that Country Ghetto was deleted a year ago for copyright violations. I did not have anything to do with that one, but would like to correct the violation(s) and get it back up. Might you be able to share with me what the problem was?
You: Reverted edits by Jason Palpatine (talk) to last version by Garion96
I reverted placing the image for the same reason as I stated before. Per Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Non-free content images of living people are not allowed in infoboxes per the criteria. Garion96 (talk) 09:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- English please. From where I stand the image, as used, conforms to the policies you are citing for its removale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason Palpatine (talk • contribs) 09:43, 9 March 2008
AfD nomination of Todd Palin
An article that you have been involved in editing, Todd Palin, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Todd Palin. Thank you. --TommyBoy (talk) 05:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Rationale for fair use
Todd Palin AFD Discussion
Please accept my apologies if you felt my previous message was uneccessary. When I nominated the article for deletion, the instructions for doing so suggested notifying previous contributors to the article. In carrying out this part of the instruction, I notified all registered users who had previously contributed to the article, excluding those registered users who have not edited Wikipedia in over a year, which in this case included the article's original creator. Based upon your message to me, I can see that my actions may have been a little overzealous. In any case, if you have any thoughts regarding the discussion, I urge you to share them. --TommyBoy (talk) 03:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for closing the Afd discussion. Part of my reason for the apology has to do with the fact that I apparently offended another former contributor to the article when I sent him the aforementioned warning message regarding the discussion. --TommyBoy (talk) 09:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
RfD nomination of Template:Non-free 2d art
Hi there, I'm wanting to create an article about the above person (Wagnerian tenor, 19th century) and am seeing that you deleted one on 3 March 2007 (though I can't locate the actual deed in your contribution history!) It appears you deleted it as a copyright violation. Just wondering if there is any way of accessing the original to see (a) what it said and (b) how it transgressed, so as to avoid ditto. I assume it's fine to go ahead and make a new one which doesn't violate copyright. Eebahgum (talk) 20:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Any further reverts of you of WP:NLT to change the page before consensus is reached will be deemed as a violation of Wikipedia:Consensus and as vandalism. To change the wording of the rule is deemed as a change to the policy, which requires a greater degree of consensus, and your edit is in violation of such. Thank you. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Speedy delete request
- True, but I thought that the content that was removed was relevant. Is there a reason that the Noteworthy Incidents should not be included? Thebisch (talk) 16:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
April, May and June Duck
- Probably a good idea to make absolutely certain you know what you are talking about before you remove them. Please advise. Handicapper (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- I and others may well disagree with you. Hence, despite your sincere efforts to create a new guideline, it is just that, a guideline. Please do not remove anymore of my own sincere work. -- In fact, the "reason" I (we) use the fags and the like is to compete. Yes, compete. In this day and age, everything is about colorful design to attract readers/contributors. Flags help dress up dull, boring Wiki pages. We need more at Wikipedia, certainly not less. If you are a policy wonk, then please rethink and rewrite your guidlines after discussing it with those who understand desgn-to-marketing concepts. Thanx. Handicapper (talk) 19:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Unfortunastely, we get too many gung-ho whatevers here who "write guidlines", all too often to suit there agenda. Example? Two people achieved "consensus" and changed the Categion:Legion of honor recipients to Legion d'honneur ... Bloody nonsense - even the Government of France on its English websites write in the King's Englis "Legion of Honor". Want more nonsense, there is plenty here. Again, I respect your sincere ideas and a few others who might join you but it is only a guidleline and does not give you a license to delete my sincere contributtions. If you want it to be policy so that you can enforce it, then please do and I will happily go along with Official Policy. Handicapper (talk) 19:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- That's life. We agree to disagree. BTW - I said "if you are a policy wonk". I must admit my surprise that from your tiny group who created this guidline, none had any idea that marketing is extremely important. Based on your "kill the flags" idea, we should get rid of infoboxes, too. They can be replaced with that nice neat text you like. Handicapper (talk) 19:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
By The Light Of The Moon
What Copyright infringement did I perpetrate in the Dean Koontz Article of "By The Light Of The Moon"? It's been a while since I edited the page and I can't remember what went in and what came out, and your remarks indicating directly copied sentences are a little vague.
ESF 21:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
The Seventh Coin
Hi! Would you mind editing a page called the Seventh coin? I added to that page recently? Here's the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Coin Thanks!Neptunekh (talk) 00:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Incomplete revert of Antibiotic page
Hi! Someone recently changed the page Antibiotic to Classification of Antibiotics without any prior discussion (and while not adhering to MoS). I tried to revert this change back, but unfortunately there was a two-step move before that, which is prohibiting a clean revert, ie with an associated change of the history page for this entry. Could you please look into this? Many thanks! Malljaja (talk) 21:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Garion, many thanks for your prompt attention to the Antibiotic page and the speedy revert to its original title! All the best Malljaja (talk) 09:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Lady Aleena's RfA
|Garion96...Thank you for supporting my nomination for adminship. Through it I have become aware of a great many people who can help me in my future editing endeavors. Even though I was not promoted, your support shows that I still have something to contribute to Wikipedia, even if it is minor edits to fix spelling and grammar to working in WikiProjects to help others make great articles. If you wish to further discuss the nomination, please use its talk page. Stop by my talk page anytime, even if it is just to say hello. Have a wonderful day! - LA @ 04:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)|
Conclusion: Image placeholders centralized discussion
Hi. I'm sending this to you because you participated in the Centralized discussion on image placeholders that ended on 23 April.
That discussion must produce a conclusion.
We originally asked "Should the addition of this box [example right] be allowed? Does the placeholder system and graphic image need to be improved to satisfy policies and guidelines for inclusion? Is it appropriate to some kinds of biographies, but not to others?" (See introduction).
Conclusions to centralized discussions are either marked as 'policy', 'guideline', 'endorsed', 'rejected', 'no consensus', or 'no change' etc. We should now decide for this discussion.
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Wow - thank you so much for the lovely photo of Bruce McCandless! I have the brain and education for the astronaut corps but not the health, so I have to satisfy my exploration needs from the sidelines. During missions, from launch minus 2 days to the time the convoy tows the orbiter back to the OPF, I'm glued to NASA-TV. I shift my sleep schedule. Nobody gets to watch TV if there's an EVA going on. I record all the launch replay views, including the engineering views from the cameras 10 miles away. I have a handheld, 120-minute re-entry video, shot on Atlantis by the crew of STS-115, on the flight deck, from deorbit prep through the deorbit burn all the way through landing and orbiter powerdown. I also have a 48-minute video shot by a Japanese engineer during a VIP tour of KSC in March 1997, starting in the VAB while Columbia was being mated to the stack for STS-83, then out to pad 39A, then a rare tour of Atlantis being prepped in her OPF bay for STS-84, whose launch I got to witness. It was a night launch, at about 0400, and if you're ever within 300 miles of KSC when a night launch is imminent, get there. Drive all night if you have to, but Do. Not. Miss. It.
Okay, I'll shut up now. :-)
Even better than the EVA shot was the help you gave at WP:CP! Yay! Assistance! Whoo-hoo! :-D The backlog on that page, when I just happened to stick my head over there for a quick glance around the first week of March, was (brace yourself) 42 days. Seven weeks. Nobody had worked on those reports since January 18. At least it was January 18, 2008 and not 2007. ;-)
I posted at WP:AN about it when I had whittled it down to around 20 days and asked each admin to take one day's log page. It wasn't much help - I think four or five admins worked a couple of reports each, then it was like Siberia again. Jeepday has worked just as hard as I have to clear the backlog, then both of us stepped off-wiki for a few days and it got backed up before we knew it. I guess AFD and AIV are sexier or something.
Anyway, thanks so much for the help and the pat on the back. We have to do something before everything gets so backlogged that we'll never catch up - we seem to be losing admins as fast as gas prices go up, and I don't know what we're going to do about it. I'm an optimist, but I'm becoming discouraged about the future of the project unless we get a grip on reality, and soon. But for now, I'm going to bed, and I think I'll have great dreams tonight. :-) Sorry I went on so long, and thanks again! - KrakatoaKatie 04:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey there! I noticed that, a few times, you've deleted the entry "Max Sweeney on The L Word played by Daniela Sea" from List_of_transgender_people#In_film_and_television. I've only a passing familiarity with the show, but my Google-supported understanding is that the character in question is, in fact, a transgender character on a notable television program, and therefore warrants a place in the list. Fullobeans (talk) 05:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Romulus and Remus
I added [[Category:Disappeared people]] to Romulus and Remus, you reverted it. Please could you confirm why? Not suggesting you were wrong to revert it, I'm only asking because the explanation is almost certainly relevant elsewhere. Just a really quick edit-summary length explanation would be very much appreciated. Thanks! 126.96.36.199 (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- I first thought it was vandalism but already discovered it wasn't, sorry for the rollback. I am still not sure thopugh if this article should be added to that category or not. If you read the heading at Category:Disappeared people it could be read that individuals born before 1885 should not be added to this category. Garion96 (talk) 14:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks! I've been trying to get my head around categories applicable to articles on List of people who have disappeared, especially where inclusion in a given category might determine inclusion/exclusion from the list, but it's becoming apparent that it'll probably be better to simply ignore them. But thanks again for the reply and explanation, much appreciated. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Nice work on the clean-up of those two sections. Having reordered lists myself, I know how tedious it can be, which is why I was hoping I could fob it off onto someone else! I appreciate it anyhow. - Dudesleeper / Talk 01:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- I use both rollback and popups, but I save rollback (especially its vandalism feature) for those extra-special occasions when I want to piss somebody off. - Dudesleeper / Talk 11:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanx for the fix. I was having some problems figuring out why the edit was not taking hold. Sorry about the flags. The template used was copied from another source and I did not re-format the flags out of the infobox. Oanabay04 (talk) 15:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed you had done some clean-up on the Atlantis: The Lost Empire article. I was wondering if you could help me clean up a mess I just caused there. I uploaded a movie poster for a different Atlantis movie, Atlantis (1913 film) but unfortunately called it the same name as the one that was already on the Altlantis: The Lost Empire article. I tried to undo the mistake, but was unable to. How can I revert that article back to its original and correct form? Thanks CactusWriter (talk) 09:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Okay... nevermind... I'm an idiot, but improving. I figured out how to work it and it's fixed now. Sorry to clutter up your page with this nonsense. Please delete CactusWriter (talk) 11:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanx for fixing the flagas in some of my info boxes. I keep forgetting that flags should be used sparingly. I do a "copy and paste" which has a flag in it, and then they appear everywhere. Thanx!Oanabay04 (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Why Didn't They Ask Evans?
Thank you for the reply. Please can I refer you to this page: Wikipedia:Copyrights and the paragraph which states "The Writers Copyright Association as well as the UK Copyright service has a good summary. The legal basis is the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act, and subsequent modifications and revisions, details at Jenkins IP In particular for literary, artistic works, copyright ends 70 years after the last surviving author dies or if unknown, 70 years after creation or publication." As the blurb is not part of the text of the work as written by Christie (It is not reprinted in modern editions) and its author is unknown, it is therefore out of copyright.--Jtomlin1uk (talk) 18:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- You may be able to best me here but I work in a legal dept and the statement "copyright ends 70 years after the last surviving author dies or if unknown, 70 years after creation or publication". As the author of the piece (and an author cannot be a company) is unknown, it is out of copyright. BTW, without being rude, these sections have been on these pages for 6 to 9 months and you are the first person to claim they don't add anything to the article so, and I am trying very hard not to be rude in typing this, your personal opinion doesn't come into it.--Jtomlin1uk (talk) 19:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your last reply. I've been in correspondence with another wiki editor in the past over this issue and came to the same conclusion as regards copyright - I'm delighted that we've done the same here. As regards the usefulness of the entry, I would agree if it was most other authors but (IM very HO!) we are talking here about the first editions of the best-selling author ever (with a quick bow to Shakespeare and the authors of the bible, of course!) and there is SO little reference work out there about contemporary publication and reaction to her works (caused, I'm convinced by an element of snobbery) that these entries really are THE only source available to people. The same is true of newspaper reviews, hence the reason I'm back at the British Newspaper Library tomorrow digging out more of those! All the best, John.--Jtomlin1uk (talk) 20:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough compromise. I'd only note that Section 8 is disputed at WP:NFCC and that neither page specifies section. But overall, sincerely, thank you for your diligence: There is, I agree, too much decorative imaging throughout Wikipedia. With kind regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 20:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- A Contract with God is the first major graphic novel, is the graphic novel that popularized the term "graphic novel", and is Eisner's most significant work outside of The Spirit. I'm surprised its significance and necessity for inclusion in any responsible article about Will Eisner is in question, but if you're insisting on it not being included, I think an RfC would be in order. Please do no remove the image until I can call for one or if you can suggest some alternate resolution path. Thanks. --Tenebrae (talk) 11:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'd say The Plot, since the other illustrations show
- One of his earliest professional works, providing a baseline for his art's evolution
- An example of The Spirit, for which he is best known, and which was a highly influential feature on generations of comics pros
- A Contract with God, the first major graphic novel and the one that popularized that very term, and
- P*S, his primary non-comics works and how he spent the interregnum between The Spirit and his return to comics
- I'd say The Plot, since the other illustrations show
- Extremely important figure, Eisner. The comic-book Hall of Fame is even named after him.
Nenad Bach Deletion
I don't mean to be rude, but the Nenad Bach page has been repeatedly deleted...copyright infringement or something. I OWN THE COPYRIGHT!!! ITS MY FATHER"S PAGE! and every single time...someone else deletes it, you moderaters should coordinate yourselves so that every time i change something it doesn't get deleted...so when you are read for me to put it back up tell me because ive really had enough of this being deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrvatska (talk • contribs) 11:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, you are the first person to tell me this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrvatska (talk • contribs) 17:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I've listed Wikipedia:Featured_list_removal_candidates#List_of_HIV-positive_people. TONY (talk) 15:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
You know what? I apologize. Just been a bad day on my end and I simply did not like the manner you came across with. I'm sure you meant it to be to the point, but it came across to me as more authoritarian than helpful. Wikipedia should have a simple method for nominating an article, rather then 20 different ways, all with different rules on how it goes. In any case, consider the hatchet buried and, again, I apologize. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
could you please do me a favor?
I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?
- I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
- I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.
The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.
OK, so maybe i got the policy wrong, but I belive that I am right when I say that saving over and over floods the system. And the warnings for using english and identical content were legit. I should have phrased it better perhaps, and some of the saves looked a whole lot like test edits. The man in the mask (talk) 21:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Do you have a cited rationale for why you believe the 'list of 100 people itself' violates nfcc ? I strongly disagree with this premise and can find no basis/precedent for it. Redthoreau (talk) RT 12:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing vandalism to my talk page
The featured list contest
Thanks for entering the contest. You are now able to select the topic that you would like to work on. While it is a good idea to know which specific list you will work on before you select a topic, you do not have to submit your list until Thursday. Once you have a topic and a list, you can start work. However, you will not be able to submit an FLC until Sunday at 00:00 (GMT). Good luck and have fun! -- Scorpion0422 18:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- It's a very loose time frame (which is why I didn't give a specific time). Basically, just pick a list as soon as you can (because some users have already started) -- Scorpion0422 01:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
The Mist Publication Date
I saw that you edited the page on the mist to show the publication date was in 1980, i was under the impression that it was in 1985 under the skeleton crew, i believe thats also the date listed on stephenking.com, or am i wrong about the date? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, I didn't changed the date with my edits, that was User:Salamurai. But if you read the lead of the article you can see that the story originally appeared in 1980 in the anthology Dark Forces (book) and later appeared slightly reedited in 1985 in the collection Skeleton Crew. Garion96 (talk) 18:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Why did you delete Todd Palin? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Paige_Paterson is an article even though she is a nobody except being the spouse of a governor. The article on Todd could be written the same way (exact same sentences) except to change the details. FYW09 (talk) 22:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
For example, using the Paterson article....
Todd Palin (born ______) is the First ___ of Alaska state. The husband of ___ Governor ___ , he became the First __ on _____, __, when his wife was sworn in as Governor, following the _____. ____ is the first male First Lady in Alaska's history.
___ spent her early years in ____ before moving to _____ He attended ___ University and earned a ___ degree in ____ health He has been married to ___ since ___; They have ____ together
____is a ___ at
Palin and her husband have homes in Schenectady and in Harlem.
Garion: just so you know, FYW09 (talk · contribs · logs) has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Dereks1x (talk · contribs · logs) and Todd Palin has been returned to its status as a redirect to Sarah, as it should be. Cheers Tvoz/talk 02:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- Any time - as for AGF, it gets harder and harder to follow, the more I'm here. But sometimes it's the right thing to do. Tvoz/talk 22:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Generic cinema templates
Hi Garion. Remember over a year ago the consensus that we should only use the Template:CinemaoftheUS in core articles. Remember it was made as many editors objected to using them in all actor and film articles. Well today there has been a move towards removing the generic Template:CinemaofIndia from the main actor and film articles. Basically it was like an article on a Bollywood film suddenly connecting to a Marathi film acotr or choreographer, given the sub indistiry nature of Indian cinema it was actually more generic than evne the American one. The template is used in categories and core articles to connect them together but some of our most active editors think that the usage of them should be limited. Unfortunately there arne't oo many editors around to discuss it. Aside from this we have the sub industry templates too and this along with any film director templates clutters the articles in my view. I wasn't actually the one who brough the topic up or removed the templates but could you please speak to User talk:Girolamo Savonarola and comment at the WP:Indian cinema task force as an editor has expressed an objection to removing the generic templates. Thanks $1,000,000? 01:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Leonard Feeney / Rvaste
I could use your sig at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rvaste#Users certifying the basis for this dispute -- jnestorius(talk) 14:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Swimsuit issue templates
- Well you actually can have a bot do it. You can put a notice on TfD at the bottom and a bot may come by and take care of it. I just find it's easier to do it manually. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 06:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
The traditional rfa thank you message
|Thank you for the support!|
|Garion96, it is my honor to report that thanks in part to your support my third request for adminship passed (80/18/2). I appreciate the trust you and the WP community have in me, and I will endeovour to put my newly acquired mop and bucket to work for the community as a whole. Yours sincerly and respectfuly, TomStar81 (Talk) 03:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)|