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Pterostylis rubiginosa[edit]

Pterostylis rubiginosa seems to be a bit of a "mystery orchid" as far as taxonomic databases go. Right now the name is not in IPNI; I've drawn their attention to the APNI entry. WCSP only has Speculantha rubiginosa as "unplaced", and also doesn't give the name in Pterostylis. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:26, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I think the answer lies in the names(s) of the author(s). Jones and Copeland named some orchids as Speculantha. Two sets of authors then changed the names to Pterostylis, so that, for example, Pterostylis divaricata (D.L.Jones & L.M.Copel.) L.M.Copel. & D.L.Jones[1] and Pterostylis divaricata (D.L.Jones & L.M.Copel.) J.M.H.Shaw[2] are isonyms. Perhaps WCSP was notified of the changes made by Shaw, but Shaw had not made a change to Speculantha rubiginosum. WCSP relied on the Royal Horticultural Society (2017), Quarterly Supplement to the International Register of Orchid Hybrids (Sander's List) 125(1319). They were not notified of the changes made in Australian Orchid Review 81(6). Strange, because WCSP has made the changes noted in the later Australian Orchid Review 82(3) (such as to Speculantha furva/Pterostylis furva and 16 others that I haven't got to yet!)
In fact, Copeland and Jones made the changes in 2016, before Shaw in 2017 so their name should take preference, I think.(talk) 21:22, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Gderrin (talk) 21:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Pterostylis divaricata (D.L.Jones & L.M.Copel.) L.M.Copel. & D.L.Jones". APNI. Retrieved 17 April 2018.
  2. ^ "Pterostylis divaricata (D.L.Jones & L.M.Copel.) J.M.H.Shaw". APNI. Retrieved 17 April 2018.
IPNI has now added Pterostylis rubiginosa (D.L.Jones & L.M.Copel.) L.M.Copel. & D.L.Jones in response to my e-mail, so both this name and the basionym show up in the taxonbar in the article.
Great work you're doing on Australasian orchids! I can hardly keep up with creating/modifying the Wikidata entries; I certainly couldn't create such detailed articles as quickly as you.
I've also created Wikidata items for these two Pterostylis species if you want some more articles to create:
  • Pterostylis arbuscula (D.L.Jones & C.J.French) D.L.Jones & C.J.French, basionym Urochilus arbusculus D.L.Jones & C.J.French
  • Pterostylis crebriflora (D.L.Jones & C.J.French) D.L.Jones & C.J.French, basionym Urochilus crebriflorus D.L.Jones & C.J.French
Peter coxhead (talk) 13:05, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
@Peter coxhead: 1. Thanks for the compliment! 2. Thanks for the work you do including fixing IPNI, Wikidata and helping other editors. 3. Thanks for the new spp. (2018 indeed!). I'll have to find some $$$ to buy the relevant journals. Gderrin (talk) 21:48, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Just to say that IPNI has now added the names in Pterostylis that were in APNI but not in IPNI for all the species that Jones & French or Clements initially put in Urochilus, and I've added the IPNI IDs to Wikidata. This means that the taxonbars in Pterostylis atrosanguinea and Pterostylis orbiculata now show up correctly. I also told WCSP about the names they were missing, but apparently they only update from sources like APNI once a year, so names in 2018 publications won't appear until the start of 2019. Peter coxhead (talk) 18:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
and thanks again @Peter coxhead:. Gderrin (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

apology[edit]

intrusion at the tops item - methinks it could be more a stub than a disambig - hope you dont mind JarrahTree 04:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: Much better - thanks. I think it is worth expanding - just difficult to find info. Gderrin (talk) 05:29, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

New Corybas species[edit]

Hello Gderrin,
this message: new Corybas was sent to me by User:Gnangarra.
Best greetings. Orchi (talk) 17:02, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Nothofagus[edit]

I will be bold next week and make the changes (Lophozonia etc. -> Nothofagus), preferably with your support. Krasanen (talk) 07:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

thank you[edit]

as always for your putting the appropriate material on talk pages - always appreciated !! JarrahTree 00:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

I am trying in practice to elevate any declared rare flora to mid importance on the biota-importance scale and anything in the extreme situation (probably extinct or less than a healthy population left) to the top of the scale JarrahTree 12:46, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @JarrahTree: - sounds good to me. Gderrin (talk) 20:58, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Checking of one of your pictures[edit]

Hello Gderrin,
User:Hindustanilanguage had changed your picture: File:Caladenia excelsa 02.jpg to File:Caladenia procera 02.jpg.
Could you please check, if the change is correct? Best greetings. Orchi (talk) 14:39, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

P.S. .....just I saw your excellent new pictures of today and your correction of File:Caladenia procera 02.jpg. Orchi (talk) 14:53, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello @Orchi: - Another one of my mistakes. Sorry. Last year I labelled an image of C. procera as C. excelsa. Now they both have the correct labels. And thank you, - more orchid images coming soon. Gderrin (talk) 20:51, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hakea lissosperma[edit]

Cheers for having a look at the taxo section, I had just messaged Plantdrew to check it out for me. Did you read the rest of it? The wording is quite unusual. Do you want me to do a fix up or do you want to have a go at it first? Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 06:11, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Hughesdarren: It seems the editor (茶杯叮叮) wrote most of the article over a few days in 2016, has not edited anything else and has not edited since 25 March 2016. Most probably also had English as a second language. That's probably why the taxonomy was confused. I certainly think the article needs a clean up. If you're up for it, by all means do it. Thanks for all your work. I'll leave most of the hakea stuff to you and Allthingsnative. Gderrin (talk) 06:25, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
No worries, just wanted to make sure you didn't have plans for it. Cheers and thanks for sorting out the taxo part. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 06:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

sir....[edit]

dare I address your honoured self as such... (I left this at margarets talk as well...) in my rather peripatetic wanderings in the mysteries of the plants project I have realised that most australian endangered species had been deemed low for everything - I have ventured, dare I say, to change that. Considering the relative small populations of some, they seem to, from the reading of the info, deserve more than low importance... please feel free to challenge my assertions at any of the said items. Thanks. ... in other words they are getting mid importance or higher where they are down to very small known populations and live inside a endangered category... cheers JarrahTree 07:02, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Mate, you won't get any quibbles from me on this issue. I've read the stuff at WP:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Criteria#Importance of topic (absolutely rivetting, fascinating) but can't find anything that should stop your doing what you're planning. Gderrin (talk) 07:15, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
hahah - dem rules - just seems real dumb to have the whole biota project at low importance JarrahTree 07:19, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
trout and other similar items can be slapped if i make a mess of the talk page items.. JarrahTree 01:35, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Have just done an upgrade on computer and thought I might have lost the tilde key !! hopefully solved soon, sorry about my mistake on the category mis-write this am JarrahTree 03:23, 25 October 2018 (UTC) I didn't even notice! Gderrin (talk) 04:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC) haha - I had created a category without the (plant) qualifier... all gone now JarrahTree 23:09, 25 October 2018 (UTC) Thanks for that @JarrahTree:
hmmm - there are more potential projects on that one than a small novel... JarrahTree 03:38, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
have no idea why the email buggered up - basically when one gets distribution on something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheirostylis I simply give up - plants is enough - to put component country tags for that full distribution is crazy country - I dont subscribe to over-tagging of projects, it looks dumb ... JarrahTree 12:48, 28 October 2018 (UTC) I agree. Thanks for your note and your work on categories. Gderrin (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Phaius tankervilleae var. bernaysii[edit]

I'd like to apologize for changing the link to a botanical author at Phaius tankervilleae var. bernaysii. I visited the page "List of botanists by author abbreviation" and Verner Hawsbrook Rowland was listed as the author for "Rowland". Sorry about that! Best regards, Pagliaccious (talk) 23:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

lazy me[edit]

please re-instate if I dont, problem with lack of adequate project tagging I was not closely double checking the status - my error, please feel free to apply trout! trout slapping vip for lazy project upgrading - should have done closer checks! sorry JarrahTree 02:14, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

it is, it is, the sky will fall in (asterix) - just when, the timing, is not necessarily easy to ascertain. JarrahTree 02:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
oops - thanks for pointing that out JarrahTree sorry you have to tidy up after me :( JarrahTree 05:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I am hoping to gain[edit]

some sort of very ad hoc consensus that when we (those who play on talk pages of oz biota) that when we find something is endangered or worse - that we raise all the importance to 'mid', and anything close extinction to top/high in importance - I have probably already discussed somewhere above (apologies if I repeat too often) - does that seem reasonable? JarrahTree 23:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: I have only one problem with that - my own memory. Yep - very reasonable (your proposal - not my memory). Gderrin (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
hahaha - indeed, we have probably discussed this above - as I said, we are in the same form of maritime transport me thinks JarrahTree 23:27, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi,@JarrahTree: I've taken the view that in botany or zoology anything at the species level has low importance. And tend to prefer that view, particularly as the various categories of threatened species may change: For example in checking out the SPRAT entries for Acacia wardelii and Acacia ramiflora, I found both had been removed from the EPBC threatened lists. See Acacia wardellii, Species Profile and Threats Database, Department of the Environment and Heritage, Australia. and Acacia ramiflora, Species Profile and Threats Database, Department of the Environment and Heritage, Australia.. But I am easy with whichever decision you wish to make and will not change whatever you choose to do (although when I come to do it, at this stage, I will continue with my current practice unless I can be persuaded that it is vitally important that I change. (I find it hard enough keeping articles up-to-date without having to worry about the talk pages too!!) So my current preference is to keep the importance parameter as low for species. (You might like to widen the discussion @JarrahTree: by finding a more general forum to give us a consensus on this issue??) MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:41, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
P.S. what importance would you give to species which are deemed vulnerable under an act? (This status can be downgraded, as seen, to no longer threatened.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:41, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
@JarrahTree and MargaretRDonald: I don't attach great importance to this subject. I am much more concerned about the effect of editors adding "Least Concern" to the taxobox of orchids (as on Thelymitra cyanea) because of its potential impact on conservation status. Gderrin (talk) 23:56, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

I realise the whole exercise is fraught with difficulties - best place - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australian_biota JarrahTree 23:58, 16 November 2018 (UTC)