User talk:GenderMovie

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Proposed deletion of Gender violence in movies[edit]

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The article Gender violence in movies has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Original research, unsourced

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Drm310 (talk) 05:59, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

December 2013[edit]

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Gender violence in movies, but we cannot accept original research. Original research also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Drm310 (talk) 06:00, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you. Drm310 (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

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--Drm310 (talk) 23:21, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Gender violence in movies for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Gender violence in movies is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gender violence in movies until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Drm310 (talk) 16:44, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I have decided to move this through a different deletion process. My original submission, Proposed Deletion (PROD), would have resulted in the article being summarily deleted after a set period of time. I have instead moved it to Articles for Deletion - AfD - to allow other editors to contribute their opinions. AfD has no set deadline and will allow more time for debate. --Drm310 (talk) 16:49, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Domestic violence in film[edit]

Hello, I just commented at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gender violence in movies and am interested in helping you work on this article. Please see my comment and let me know what you think. You can respond here. To leave a signature, type four tildes (~). Thanks, Erik (talk | contribs) 17:13, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Erik,
I really appreciate your contribution.
I find difficult to understand:
1) Why the movie is not considered as a source by Drm310;
2) I consider possible moving this page as a subsection;
3) One of the criticism moved to the page was "As it is this is just an indiscriminate list that appears to be synthesis."

but a similar page (with whom my could be integrated) is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Documentary_films_about_violence_against_women

4) How do I add contributions to the "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gender violence in movies"; — Preceding unsigned comment added by GenderMovie (talkcontribs) 01:22, December 19, 2013‎
Wikipedia needs to be based on secondary sources. This means that if we list items, we need to reference each one with an inline citation. Some items may be obvious, but a citation helps any reader determine how we know that a film has an element of domestic violence. I've put together a few list articles: list of films featuring home invasions, and list of films featuring surveillance, to highlight a couple. I think that the topic is valid but that we need to provide citations for everything. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gender violence in movies is already closed for discussion. I spoke with the other editors and told them that this was a valid topic. It just need better article-structuring and referencing. Do you want to focus on just making a list, or to have a body of text, or both combined? (Let me know if anything I say is not clear to you, and I can reword what I say.) Thanks, Erik (talk | contribs) 14:18, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
I have overhauled the article at domestic violence in film. Is this what you had in mind? I think it would be better to have general "Description" fields rather than to have an indicator column for if it was violence against a man or a woman. Erik (talk | contribs) 14:44, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

References/citations/footnotes[edit]

Hi. I noticed that you tried to add a footnote in Gender violence in movies, but you didn't write it quite correctly. The proper format is: <ref>citation template</ref> where the citation template can be any one of these, as needed: {{cite web}} for websites, {{cite news}} for newspapers or news websites, {{cite journal}} for magazines or {{cite book}} for books. There are others if another type of citation is being used.

Please refer to Help:Footnotes for further assistance. Also please review Wikipedia:Citing IMDb, as the IMDb is considered a reliable source for only certain types of information. Thanks. --Drm310 (talk) 17:49, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Reliable sources[edit]

Hi there. I noticed that you've added a few films to List of films featuring domestic violence. The problem is that you're citing unreliable sources (such as the IMDb and Wikipedia itself). Sites that are open to user-generated content are not considered reliable enough for a citation on Wikipedia; ironically, this means that Wikipedia considers itself an unreliable source. One way that you can cite information found on Wikipedia is to cite the original source. For example, if I add information from a book to one Wikipedia article, I can not cite that Wikipedia article itself as a source in another Wikipedia article. However, I can go back to the original article, locate the statement, and use its citation in another article.

When you add examples to lists (such as this one), you should try to find newspapers, books, scientific journals, and reliable websites that explicitly state that it satisfied the criteria for inclusion. For example, I've seen a classic horror film about an abusive stepfather called The Stepfather, starring Terry O'Quinn. The first thing I do is a Google search. I tried "The Stepfather" "Terry O'Quinn" "gender violence", but that resulted in too few results. Besides, they were all self-published, which makes them unsuitable for a citation. So, I decide to broaden my search to "The Stepfather" "Terry O'Quinn" domestic violence, and I get a bunch of useful hits, including a book that cites this film as an example of domestic violence in 1980s films. This source is very useful, because it clearly and unambiguously states that The Stepfather is a film primarily about domestic violence. If I relied on my own recollections of the film, this would be original research. If I interpreted the plot summary, that, too, would be original research. I need to find a reliable source who states it.

I know that it's frustrating when you have to find citations for things that you know are true, but it's necessary to give our readers some way to verify the information found here. This verification is a cornerstone of Wikipedia. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:21, 24 December 2013 (UTC)