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Asma al-Assad[edit]

Hi there, I assume you speak Arabic (?) and wondered if you wanted to help with the Asma al-Assad article. See the discussion page, we cant find an official source (Syrian government would be good) for her official title, is it "First Lady of Syria" (or the local equivalent). Now I understand this is subject to controversy in Syria, and I don’t want to start an edit war, but help would be welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SasiSasi (talkcontribs) 21:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Syrian military presence[edit]

Don't waste your time on Wikipedia. Israel "anonymously" donated over $250,000 to Wikipedia so that its team of paid editors like User:Jayjg and User:Humus sapiens be given special privileges and administrative powers to write whatever suits Israel. Don't waste your time. People are paid to edit the articles you're likely to be interested in. Nooo1 (talk) 18:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed the comment above. It's a good thing you know that these people are paid to do what they do. Nooo1 (talk) 21:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure about the paying thing, but I can say for sure there are editros that are biased for Israel. e.g. user:Hertz1888 doesn't allow me to write that the Golan Heights are Syrian occupied territory according to the UN and international law. He says the UN is "biased" and the story "has more to it than what UN maps show." He wants me to convince the zionist editors with recognizing the UN first and after that I can edit. His name looks like a Zionist name but he denies it. This is just a specimen of the kind of editors that is out there, so don't get too emotional about it. Wikipedia is biased. If you find a bised article just add the tag to it.HD1986 (talk) 23:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe they aren't getting paid but they fear that they would have to pay. I think there are zionist groups that are suing Wikipedia for "anti-Semitism;" this may be the reason for what you see. HD1986 (talk) 02:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Tahya Souria[edit]

Hi George, sorry for the late reply, yes we will have some other admins look at this because the current name has been unendorsed. I tried to move it but it doesn't work so i've requested help. Appreciate the support. Izzedine (talk) 04:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi George, maybe you could use this source - [1].

It is difficult to separate specifically Syrian foods from those made popular by the Greater Syrian population. Such standard fare in America as pita bread and crushed chick pea or eggplant spreads, hommos and baba ganouj, both come from the former Syrian heartland. The popular salad, tabouli, is also a Greater Syrian product. Other typical foods include cheeses and yogurts, and many of the fruits and vegetables common to the eastern Mediterranean, including pickles, hot peppers, olives, and pistachios..

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Speedy deletion nomination of Alia Haddad[edit]

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Eastern Mediterranean[edit]

  • Hello. I noticed your edits to the article Eastern Mediterranean. I have no interest in editing or changing the article, but only was wondering if you might be able to answer a question for me. I have always understood the term "Eastern Mediterranean" to not only encompass the nations of the Levant, but Greece, Turkey and Egypt as well. Is my understanding of the term unusual in that regard? The Scythian 22:35, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
    • Thank you for the response. I guess I always lumped those nations into the same overall "cultural sphere", regardless of language or even religion, due to the historical connections going back thousands of years. Of course, my generalization is very sweeping in nature, even if as a direct categorization, it is much too broad. I do the same thing with with the Western Mediterranean nations such as Italy and Spain, as well as the region of Iran and Central Asia. The Scythian 19:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Syrian American[edit]

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Hey, you speak Arabic? Do you know what it says in the black sign on the building here? [2] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:02, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Orthodox Christianity in Syria[edit]

Could you help me to develop that article about Orthodox Christianity in Syria.

Thanks in advance

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WP Category: People of Levantine-Greek Orthodox descent[edit]

Dear George,

Since you seem to be a rational soul and know about Orthodoxy/Early Christianity, the MENA area, and the "Byzantine" (no pun intended!) subtleties of Eastern Mediterranean and 'old European' cultural categorization and Church(es) history, I’m writing to draw your attention to the fact that some reckless Wiki-Boeotians want to delete the “People of Levantine-Greek Orthodox descent” and the “American of Levantine-Greek Orthodox descent” categories!

See this page

Your erudite editorial help in the current « deletion debate » would be appreciated


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Nomination of Gregory Orfalea for deletion[edit]

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Syrian people[edit]

Dear George, kindly share with your valuable ideas in the talkpage of the Syrian people article. For me, it is not acceptable to limit the term "Syrian people" within the modern usage, something means that the pre-1918 (prior to the establishment of the modern Syrian state) history of Syria would be neglected.--Zyzzzzzy (talk) 11:12, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Then I wonder, what is the ethnicity of Philip the Arab, Zenobia or Al-Ma'arri? Since they are not Syrians, what category would they be included in?--Zyzzzzzy (talk) 11:15, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Syrian ethnicity[edit]

hello George, i have a controversial plan but im gonna do it anyway , sadly our Syrian people doesn't understand the difference between ethnicity, citizenship and language. they think they are Arabs just because they speak Arabic, they think that the Syrian people article shouldn't exist because we are arabs and their is already an article on Arabs, they think that Syria is a new state and that their is no Syrian ethnicity even though the Seleucid kings termed themselves kings of Syria sadly we have Arab nationalist propaganda shoved down our throats but this cant continue, im not radical , i dont claim Syrians to be purely Aramaic like some Lebanese think themselves purely Phoenicians , but most of the Syrian so called arabs are in fact of aramean stock, muslims and Christians Arabs in syria are just arabised old arameans and other indigenous levantine peoples, i mean the people of bakh'a and jubb addin near ma'lula are muslims and speak Aramaic and thats got to tell you something, sure their is pure arabs and we know where they live (hawran, deir el zor , raqqa) but the rest of the country is just arameans who were arabised and most of them islamized

i think the article Syrian people should be about syrian ethnicity (that is the so called arabs of syria) every other people article focus on the dominant ethnicity in the country, their is Turkish minority in the Netherlands but the dutch people article only focus on the dutch, so why not the Syrian people article only focus on ethnic Syrians who are the Syriac arameans and the arabised Syrians who call themselves Arabs ??

for sure i will be attacked if i made those changes to the article, and my words are worthless without reliable scientific studies , but thank god those studies actually exist and i have them, only 33 percent of arab Syrians are actually ethnically arabs from arabia while the rest are just arabised arameans and Phoenicians with a little arab input

im collecting citations like books of famous respected professors not just propaganda and im collecting genetic studies of syrian people and now i can (with trust) say that i have everything i need to unviel the truth which is : syrian are an ethnicity . they are the grandchildren of the old arameans and Phoenician who absorbed some arabic dna and were arabised and islamized (im muslim by the way), i just dont believe that i came from Saudi Arabia and now i have genetic evidence to support what i say

why im writing this to you :

i have a plan for the article (syrian people) that is for the article to speak about Syrians just like the article dutch people or french people speaks for their respective people, and the minorities of syria belongs in the Syrian demography article not in Syrian population

im not gonna touch the syrian people article now, instead im gonna create an article called : arabs of syria, in that article im gonna tell the history of arab tribes migration to syria , the arabization and islamization of syrians, the history of the indigenous arameans syrians and then im gonna present the genetic studies that prove what i said

im not a crazy nationalist, i just believe that Syrians are distinct from Saudis or Yemenis and i think that we have the right to claim our great ancestors, again i dont claim that their weren't any arab input, on the contrary Syrians have Arab ancestors but the old Syrians are the ones who absorbed the new Arabs not the other way around, its like the Hungarians who are a European white population but the old Hungarians were Turkic tribes who spread their language on their subjects and then melted to create the modern Magyar people,

the arabs came to syria and melted with the original population and thats how modern syrians were born and that is all what im gonna prove.

im just gonna prove that we are indigenous to our land and that the old arameans were our ancestors but im not gonna deny the arab blood in our veins

i need you support , if you agree then im gonna write the article and i will let you see it, then if you find that it is good written and not biased toward any point of view then im gonna need your help turning the Syrian people page into a real article, that speak about our people not about us as citizens of a new invented country i need your help because i dont wanna go through edit wars with arab nationalists who think that syria was depopulated and that the old population just left their houses, stop marrying and stopped giving birth then Bedouin arab tribes filled the empty space in our cities and villages

if i dont have any support im just not gonna waste my time writing an article that would be rejected even if it speaks the truth

and just to give you an idea : my article will be very close to this article , only with genetic studies and much more reliable citations --Attar-Aram syria (talk) 07:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello George, Syriac crazy nationalists are my target , just because their ancestors chose to maintain their identity and our ancestors didn't, doesn't give them the right to take our history solely for themselves, i also want to make a difference between assyrians and arameans, Assyrian were enemies of the arameans, syriac is just the aramean accent of the city Edessa not an ethnicity, assyrians belong in Iraq and are a racial minority in syria, while arameans are just the same as us, they just maintained their identity, all assyrian claims are not gonna stand in face of DNA tests
now im gonna create a separate page called arabs of syria, after its finish im gonna show it to you then if it can stand against crazy iraqi assyrians then we can merge it in the syrian people article and ask for it to protected against vandalism specially if we have genetic studies on our side. --Attar-Aram syria (talk) 20:46, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
hey, I saw the Christianity in syria article, and a conflict about syrian popes, I want to give you one argument if its ok,: syrian popes were not syriacs/assyrians, obviously because they were not part of the syriac church otherwise they wouldn't have took the papal throne, and since they were not assyrians, then they were from syria west of the Euphrates and syrian is the only designation for them, 2- most importantly, the article is about Christianity in syria not about ethnicity, so the argument about if those popes were the same as modern syrians doesnt belong in the article, this article is about the christian faith in general and those popes came from syria, ethnicity is not mentioned and is not part of the argument, so those popes must stay because they are called syrians and the article is about Christianity in syria not about who is syrian, to really shut the door, you can change the title from syrian popes to popes originated from syria or something ..and that will shut everyone, but at the same time readers will understand that those popes were syrians as it is so obvious, you need a reliable source that is written by a professor and issued by a university press, which is the strongest source available in Wikipedia, i looked :) and found this book written by a professor who has an Ohio University M.A., and a Ph.D. from Michigan State University and is a professor at the university of notre dam, the book is published by the University of Pennsylvania Press , i think you can add this reference and cut the way in the face of any POV --Attar-Aram syria (talk) 13:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Hey I live in the netherlands so does he, maybe google is blanking the page in syria but its available in the netherlands and he can see it, i found other book too, Im gonna change the title of the section and Im gonna wright an entry so I can put the citations before the List, this way he cant delete, as for history, I only care about Syria so I study a lot about it, my grandfather had a huge library, he was a judge in aleppo and as a small child I used to drown my self in his book then i started to do personal effort, but my academic study is Law, Now I just want those people to leave the syrian subjects to Us, they should be stopped from trying to eliminate our history,,, if you noticed, when he first deleted the list he entered a summary for the reason : THEY ARE NOT ARABS !!!!! but who said the syrians are 100% arabs ?? as if we never had the discussion that took 3 days and as if he is not convinced in the genetic studies about syrians, yet he use genetic studies to prove Assyrian continuity, Im not gonna allow anyone to steal my history, I brag all the time (with my colleagues) about how syrians from Homs and hauran ruled rome (emperors alexander severos, philip the arab, Heliogabalus, the domna empresses) and a about syrians who ruled the Vatican, and Im not gonna let those people destroy the history of my country :)--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 05:04, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


hey george, that was the easy part, the hard part is to stop rafy from vandalizing our article, i think we need the help of an administrator, now about assyria, the Çineköy inscription was written in Luwian and Phoenician, The Luwian inscription reads "Sura/i", the Phoenician translation reads ’ŠR or "Ashur". the greeks diverted that and used it to indicate assyria and the levant west of the Euphrates, then the romans defined syria as the area west of the euphrates--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 07:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

for me its the most convinsig etymology, syrian isnt derived from the syriac language or sect, it derived from the old assyrian empire, but please if you found any thing to contradict that dont hesitate to bring it up, after all we only want the truth about our history, and yea im a 25 yo law student from Aleppo currently studying in the Netherlands, so you got my gender right--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 07:57, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
hello, i have given facts that cant be denied, i have confidence that those dreamers cant debunk my claims, yet i was thinking to ask administrators for protection, im just waiting for those dreamers to vandalize the article :P--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 23:15, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


hey george, i asked for RfC, because kathovo ended the conversation and said that he want to ask for an RfC, what will happen now, is the RfC a good idea or will it be filled by nationalistic assyrians ??--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 12:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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Little Syria, Manhattan[edit]

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A "chemist" studies chemistry, a "physicist" studies physics, an "Arabist" studies the Arab world. Why, then, did you delete it from description of a scholar on Martin Van Creveld? BMK (talk) 04:36, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Greek churches[edit]

Hello, I wanted to ask you if you agree with this article Antiochian Greeks. Its claiming that all the followers of Greek churches in Syria are ethnic Greeks. I have deleted the absurdities and left them a message Talk:Antiochian_Greeks#Is_that_a_serious_article_.21. I need to know your point of view.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 06:05, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, those claims are based on this Blog [3]. Im sure that editor will edit war and make a lot of trouble. So it going to be a long discussion that will require great effort and I would appreciate your input and advice!.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 07:12, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, I was overwhelmed by the IP on that page. The natural border will be the Aegean Sea. But as always it was the Taurus mountains. Borders were only opened during the Hellenistic and Roman period but Greek migration were mainly during the Hellenistic period. In DNA studies we are all Mediterraneans and close to Greeks and Cyproites but also to Turks and Iranians. We are connected but not really descendants from them. It is known that Syria received Greek migrants who formed a ruling elite and melted with the local population. However, the Church has nothing to do with Greekness, it was the church of the state and the followers of that Church are Greeks in Liturgical sense.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 21:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

1860 war[edit]

Hi George, I reverted your move of the article 1860 Mount Lebanon civil war because the name of the war was an issue that we discussed at length at the talk page of that article. Not too late to participate in the discussion of course. Your argument that this is what the war was called by newspapers at the time is something to consider. Please explain further at the talk page. Cheers, --Al Ameer (talk) 04:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Update: I started a draft page for the massacre article at User:Al Ameer son/1860 Damascus massacre. So far, I have just finished the background section. Hopefully, it won't take me too long to finish the rest of the article. Please feel free to edit and add to the draft page. As of now, the main source I've been using is Fawaz, but other sources, preferably secondary sources, need to be added before the article is moved to mainspace. --Al Ameer (talk) 19:04, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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