User talk:Gerda Arendt/Archive 2013

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7 July 2011, a year later I dedicated my first GA to BarkingMoon (talk · contribs) who made the cantata a lead DYK and left, for lack of br'erly devotion.



Hello, Gerda Arendt, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Graham Waterhouse, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted. ... --> Again, welcome! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Archive of 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012

Flowers and sapphires[edit]

Go Gerda Girl[edit]

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


Vincent Willem van Gogh 121.jpg Wonderful comment
For your wonderful comment, cutting right to the heart of the matter! cmadler (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

For a true gem of a person ...[edit]

Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg words of reason and trust
To quote you: Thank you for speaking up with decency and fairness, treating editors as living people, — Ched :  ?  15:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


You asked for an English translation of "uneinsichtig, unbelehrbar und beratungsresistent". Without consulting a dictionary, I translate those words as "uninsightful, unteachable, and resistant to advice", but there may be a more nuanced or idiomatic meaning that I am missing. The single English word that comes to mind to describe that set of characteristics is "pig-headed" (that is probably not an English word you know, but I think it is a word you will enjoy). I also think of the Wikipedia item WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.

Your English is much better than my Deutsch, so I am happy when I can help you expand your knowledge. I didn't respond on the page where you asked the question because I think it is a bad idea to continue the argument ("bickering") there. Also, I think it is best to avoid making accusations against people, because that often makes people angry, while failing to help them see the problem. (See Wikipedia:Avoid personal remarks.) --Orlady (talk) 14:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I certainly enjoyed the new word and your sensible way of handling the case. I just asked words, didn't I? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, but "pig-headed" has more negative connotations than "hard-headed" or "stubborn". I will not choose a term to apply to this situation, per one of the above cited policies. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Learning, thank you! (Just approved your Aku hook), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
"impervious" rings a bell: "impervious to pain, up to a certain point" (The Fountainhead), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Orlady, einsicht is indeed insight or understanding, but in this context uneinsichtig is nearer to "unreasonable". I suggest "unreasonable, incorrigible, and impervious to advice". Pig-headed is good. Moonraker (talk) 09:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for more insight, on top of your brilliant idiomatic translation of the 1715 text about the (equal) skills of females to study, see above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Standing Strong[edit]

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I saw this image and thought of you and all you've done to help PS and Khazar. You are a bastion of refuge when the storm clouds come in, and I for one would like to thank you. Don't worry about people talking behind your back - as they say, "sticks and stones". Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

uh, a tree for you[edit]

Pamje nga Desivojca.jpg Tree award? These have to be "awards"?
Hi, Gerda. I was editing Desivojca, and it has this nice tree photo from the "Komani neighborhood", so I figured it should be seen more. Enjoy. Alarbus (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I do, I love trees! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Special Barnstar Hires.png The Special Barnstar
For believing in the goodness of people above all. For having faith and being willing to work on a cause that seemed hopeless. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
AMEN to that! Gerda is one of the kindest, most decent people I've ever met. In this case, wiki-met, not met in person, though I'd love to do that one day.PumpkinSky talk 11:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, yes, please, all of it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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"Structure not wanted?"[edit]

Not by everyone... I'd removed the paragraph break, he readded it, and I wasn't going to fight with him about it, so I just left it. Thanks for tidying up the blurb at Phallus indusiatus and sorry if you felt you were getting caught in the crossfire. This related discussion might also interest you... or you might want to steer clear, your choice! Regards and very best wishes, BencherliteTalk 23:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, I saw it and kind of answered in the other thread. I don't feel caught, don't worry. I would still like to find a way not to see a German king associated with "gross", but it's 1:12 where I live, no more ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
You were reverted as well, btw. BencherliteTalk 23:51, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hopefully Dabomb will deal with it before it goes on the MP. --Rschen7754 23:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm sure he will, if he selects it - but that just makes more work for him, which is unfair. Alternatively, he'll ignore the nomination which might be unfair on the article. Either way, who wins from what's happening at TFAR at the moment? BencherliteTalk 23:58, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
The problem is that Raul is taking a wikibreak, and some users don't respect his authority anyway and are taking advantage. FAC and FAR are still running quite fine since there's multiple delegates who can deal with disruption, but at TFA it's only Dabomb against everyone else, and he's busy IRL too. (But thankfully he came back when I alerted him by email, or we would have had complete anarchy when we ran out of scheduled TFAs). --Rschen7754 00:14, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
That's not a problem; the wiki runs fine wo. Wiki's are not about “authoritah” they are about collaborations and merit. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 00:32, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
On Wikipedia, I don't believe in authority for the sake of authority, or structure for the sake of structure. However, in this case structure is needed, or we'll get people scheduling their own FAs as TFAs, or scheduling a whole bunch of similar articles in a consecutive row, or scheduling articles that are clearly not ready, etc. That is why there is a FA director and delegate here, to make sure that these concerns are addressed.
If you think that the TFA system should be trashed and redone from the ground up, then I would suggest starting a RFC and going about it the proper way, because after all, the community chose to have the current system. Either that, or stick with what we have. So in other words, either put up with it, or form a consensus to get things changed. But this "middle-ground" passive-aggressive behavior I see from multiple parties of making snide remarks against Raul, changing the TFA rules without consensus, sneakily scheduling TFAs in the hopes that Raul/Dabomb won't notice, etc. is disruptive. It needs to stop, and it needs to stop now. Raul hasn't been perfect, either, but that doesn't excuse the other side. I will not hesitate to bring further action/attention to this matter if necessary. --Rschen7754 08:28, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
These tweaks to formats are no big deal unless you choose to make them so, which is unhelpful. I've quit a lot of experience with web formatting and page design; example. And the blurbs can be re-tweak post scheduling. I've no real issue with Dabomb; he selects some interesting articles. I'm not “against” him. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 00:32, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
waking up to an interesting thread: we lived in anarchy for a month now, the result is the archive of September, I like what Dabomb scheduled, Lynching and Lettuce, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Situation for the last several weeks strikes me as an example of where consensus is demonstrated to work and proof no one is indispensable. If one person is getting overwhelmed, the answer is to have other talented people share the work. The wrong answer is to try and make it a small domain where one person after another gets burned out because they are trying to keep too much control of everything. TFA requires many eyes and many hands on deck. Montanabw(talk) 17:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence[edit]

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I am pleased to award this MBE to you in recognition of your outstanding work on Wikipedia. Your numerous DYKs have achieved the noble goal of highlighting culture on the Main Page. Your work with other users is exemplary, and you're one of the nicest Wikipedians, always supporting and encouraging other users. Thanks for all of your superb contributions! MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 19:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! - I was tempted to say "Blushing", but every time I say so the user is gone a week later, I don't want to miss you also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
ps: I would like to share this award with my br'er Rabbit, the incarnation of selfless service to this project ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Your not saying it seems to have worked – it's been a week and I'm still here! I just finished my latest article (my first in a long time). It's about an artist who was born and raised in Germany and was very interested in music. For some reason, that made me think of you.... MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 22:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
I didn't say it, as much as I was tempted! - Thanks for staying with me, and for the article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

nice edit notice ;)[edit]

A Halloween present from Wikipediocracy on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. Mads Lange (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

free popcorn

'tis the season

nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the Bach cantata got a pumpkin + I like sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

"There Was an Old Woman Who Lived in a Shoe"[edit]

You mentioned this article on my talk page earlier. The reason I did a bit of work on it was partly because it was pretty poor, but more selfishly I wanted to start an article on the topic of concealed shoes, and I didn't it want it to be immediately tagged as an orphan; I hate those tags. I've emailed Northampton Museum asking if someone from there could take a look at the article, and it would be good if you and/or your talk-page stalkers could have a quick look through as well, to see if there's anything that could do with a bit more explanation. I'm not asking for any kind kind of formal review, just a quick eyeball to see if there's anything obviously missing, or that doesn't make sense.

Cheers! (Yes, I've had a couple of glasses of wine, and perhaps you'll join me. I find it helps the creative juices to flow. ;-) ) George Ponderevo (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, will look but not soon, want to get Fauré's Requiem to presentable until the composer appears as TFA on 4 November, translate a Bach cantata to German until Saturday and Der Handschuh asap, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Would you like me to take a look as well? Malleus Fatuorum 19:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Sure, all of them ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
OK, later. Have to warn you though that I'm not really a Wikipedian, have never been a Wikipedian, and I scare away women, children and new editors. Allegedly. But I'll try and be gentle. Malleus Fatuorum 20:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
matching my Category:Wikipedians who are not part of The Community --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tritt auf die Glaubensbahn, BWV 152[edit]

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Hi Gerda[edit]

A question: apart from Pagliacci, are there any other operas featuring clowns? Am struggling a bit with a quiz and this possibly falls within your area of expertise! Hope you are well and enjoying the festivities. pablo 18:18, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

No other clown comes to my mind, jester Rigoletto is different, perhaps ask Project:Opera? - Our fine Christmas music is on my user, look for "ban complaining" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! I think Rigoletto is right (what with the filicide and all). It's section 3 of this if you fancy having a look. pablo 21:58, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
preceding Falstaff and Forza del destino, - the latter could also be a redirect to AN, like Great Dismal Swamp ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah - I had Falstaff, but thanks for the other one. I also have Trovatore, Otello, Macbeth(?) and Traviata but my opera knowledge is weak! pablo 22:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
4 Simone Boccanegra, 5 Trovatore, 6 Nabucco, 7 Otello, 8 Un ballo in maschera, 9 Ernani 10 Traviata (I used WP for one) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

← Awesome, thanks! The annoying thing about this quiz is the wording, so many things ring a bell, but hunting them down is tricky. pablo 23:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, this was fun! - Did you know that I make up a daily opera DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:07, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Gerda,[edit]

I'm really enjoying all the great music for the holiday season - thank you for all your work in such a beautiful topic. I hope you and all your family have a wonderful time over this season. Hugs to all. — Ched :  ?  17:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Ched, feels good! Same to you, thinking "Joy to the world" - we sang that on Christmas Eve, in English, in Germany, - peace, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello and have a good one[edit]

Hi Gerda, or indeed Aye Oop, Lass. (I'm in Yorkshire Mode, but do not know why. Please feel free to reply in Bavarian ...)

Just a note to wish you the very best for 2013 and to thank you for all your kindness and wisdom. I've had a busy Winter Seasonal Period (it gets a bit frantic for, ahem, Players Of A Certain Instrument, as you know) but I now have a bit of a break though there's a nice BWV243 coming up in January. (Not, thank goodness, 243a for which I would prefer to be in the audience!)

I am sure a certain Prussian Professorin would still love you to pop in and say hello sometime ... but she can keep, there's no hurry :)

Have a great Year Beginning Celebration Module (or, like, whatever ...)

with my very best, DBaK (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Lovely, thank you! Same to you, like! Did you see the instruments mentioned on top of this page, all the time? And viola d'amore was pictured on the Main page yesterday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:12, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Oh yes! Lovely! :) DBaK (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Have a great 2013 Your Gerdaress!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:33, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, same! It started nicely, hiking uphill and looking down on our village's fireworks. You both, please look at BWV 41, mentioned on top, it's for today, it's with the straight instruments, and it has a red link ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Googled it, couldn't find anything on him..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:48, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

the usual suspect --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
BWV 41 - oh yes, nice!! So, I am currently listening to Suzuki/BCJ performing it - wonderful stuff, thank you for the heads-up. I don't think I have ever played it but I need anyway to brush up on the, er, Extreme Tools and Techniques as I have a Magnificat coming up, so I will have a look at this too, Yummy! :) DBaK (talk) 13:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for improvements there! Magnificent disillusion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Deutscher Musikpreis.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
ps: Echo is a different one, can you fix that? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Christophe Coin[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Christophe Coin at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 15:32, 1 January 2013 (UTC)


Gerda I've asked once before that TFAR discussions not be kept and recycled. Just so you know, I've brought it up with Bencherlite. [1]. Truthkeeper (talk) 23:57, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

This one was related to the original nomination, people started to say the same things again, otherwise I would not have brought it back, - feel free to edit what you don't like. - I wonder anyway why nobody else nominated this as it was planned, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
"I wonder anyway why nobody else nominated this"? Perhaps because you nominated it in October and you added it to the "pending" list - why would anyone else feel obliged to renominate for you? And it isn't / wasn't "planned" to appear on 28th January, as the previous discussion shows. As for your email, I'm not rescheduling the article for 6th January - it's too short notice, and a fair degree of work is involved in unscheduling and rescheduling, which I don't feel in the mood to do just to avoid a points penalty for an Austen-related article. In other news, happy new year! BencherliteTalk 11:40, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Happy new year to you as well, and thanks for scheduling! (Sorry, I wrote the above in a rush, not thinking too carefully about wording, "planning" wasn't the right term, hoping would be better.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Gerda,[edit]

It's probably better that I don't go into detail ... but thank you very much for your support. I added a person to "missed" because someone asked me to. Like you, I only ran across the MT account. I won't say more, but I very much appreciate your backup. — Ched :  ?  09:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Sanddunes Sunrise

ps: peace

Thank you! Did you know that of the four people in the second entry above, only one is not missing, YOU? I still have a dream, not only for TFA, of civility and team spirit. I just did a good exercise: check for the word peace on my talk archive, you will like it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Brains Work Better Barnstar[edit]

Nicolas P. Rougier's rendering of the human brain.png The 'Brains Work Better in A Community' Award
You and I walk on the same side of the street. Thank you for all your efforts to befriend and assist your fellow Wikipedian Editors (WE). Bottom line: WE are all living breathing people that desire love. Your efforts have a cascading effect throughout WP. What's so bad about Peace, Love and Understanding? ```Buster Seven Talk 01:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, blushing again. (See above, not afraid that you will leave within a week ;) Thanks to Elen for the colour.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

ps: click on peace under the pumpkin sky --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Icelandic Phallological Museum TFA nomination[edit]

In the comments on my nomination of Icelandic Phallological Museum for TFA, another editor has suggested Feb 13th as an alternative date. Would you support the nomination if it was switched to that date? Prioryman (talk) 21:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

What about February 14th? More romantic.... Ahem. Be sure to picture the Blue whale penis on the front page! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

You should have looked before you posted this ;) that's where it was, but met reservation, including my own, - you didn't speak up on WP:TFAR, use your voice there! (The rules for nominations look super-complicated, but you can freely support and oppose.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Got a link to the proposal?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Given above. Scroll over the enormous rules, you get to the summary chart, there's the link, was 14 February when I looked last, but may change now to 13. Take courage, it's like a fortress, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
I'd support on any day except the 14th. Montanabw(talk) 22:22, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Christophe Coin[edit]

Mifter (talk) 00:02, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Hi Gerda,

Thank you for your kind note on my talk page! What a nice surprise! I'm glad that you enjoyed reading Psittacosaurus, but in point of fact, I had less to do with the improvement of this article than several other editors. user:Sheep81 deserves most of the credit for the original version of the article, and a half-dozen editors kept it well-maintained. I feel like I don't deserve the jewel... but I'm adding it to my page anyway! ;) Regardless, thank you for your kind gesture. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 04:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the recommendation, please name the others to be considered, I go at no more than one a day, spreading if more one editor was contributing, and a few are on my personal waiting list ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
The short list is user:Albertonykus, user:FunkMonk, user:J. Spencer, user:Dinoguy2, and user:Mgiganteus1. All wonderful editors who added good content to the article. Firsfron of Ronchester 15:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, will keep in mind! FunkMonk has Precious already, check the list, and don't say again "undeserved" about yourself, it's not for single article ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
All these were awarded, nice to meet them! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Missing articles[edit]

Created all article requests at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera. Feel free to help expand. Best if they were removed and a new set of requests added..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you fo creating. Voceditenore is the one to address for the project. I am busy with BWV 32, probably not able to expand 5*, would you find a red link there, for Sunday 13, both 1726 and 2013! Once I am done, I want to pursue my first GA om in German, BWV 40, then opera ;)
Decided on Rachel Nicholls for the cantata --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


I know this is an incredibly off the wall idea and maybe not even a good one, but have you ever considered running for adminship, just on the odd chance that you might need to use the tools someday? I imagine you will not be interested, but every good editor should have the idea suggested to them once in a while, just as a reminder that they are a good editor. AutomaticStrikeout (TC) 17:39, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, speaking of your trust! No, not me, because(!) I want to edit ;) - I know excellent admins to ask in case of need, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I figured you wouldn't want to. It's probably for the best though, you are far too nice a person to put through that headache. AutomaticStrikeout (TC) 18:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Headache is a rather harmless word for the process my favourite collaborator did not "survive", - thank you for signing "peace" (above)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
No problem. The RfA process is a mess, but I'm concerned that we won't be able to get consensus on either determining the problems or finding solutions. AutomaticStrikeout (TC) 18:45, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Asking Gerda to become an admin would be like asking a princess to become a janitor!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
(ec) − In general, agreed. (@Automatic Strikeout) Specifically, if an RfA has to be termed an attack page, but nothing gets done about that, it's not "the process", it's the people, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
You don't agree with Dr. Blofeld Face-wink.svg? I agree with your response, but getting the people to fix themselves is probably not going to happen. It's a shame, but it's the reality of the situation. Re Dr Blofeld: Should we open up an RfC to name Gerda the official "Princess of Wikipedia"? AutomaticStrikeout (TC) 18:59, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
LIKE! Montanabw(talk) 22:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I typically agree with my most astounding red-link-filler, but am too involved in this case to agree. - I have been termed "that Gerda person", and have called myself the cleaning lady of TFA, so please: no such nomination, - your support is much better than a title, I mean both of you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
As someone who hasn't worked with you that often, I have to say that I regret that you would not even consider the possibility of adminship, although, honestly, I have to say that I can understand why. We don't have enough as is, and I think you would probably be one of the better candidates. Probably better than me, anyway. Having said that, I note someone I asked to run for ArbCom, The Blade of the Northern Lights, has recently "taken some time off" because of the sometimes bizarre conduct at AE and elsewhere, so I can't fault someone not wanting to voluntary lock the door of the asylum after entering, which is kinda what it must feel like for him and others who are more actively involved in adminship functions. But, if you ever change your mind, let me know. John Carter (talk) 19:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Sorry John but what exactly does Gerda have to gain by becoming an admin? What did I ever have to gain by becoming an admin? How does it help content? There of course some fine content contributord who are admins and barely use their tools. but it is something of a distraction, not to mention the nasty grilling process that is RFA and having to go out of your way to seem perfect to people. Gerda would of course make perfect admin material, but you have to look at why she would want it, as if she's unable to cope without admin tools at present.. Its sad that so many people here stress so much on becoming an admin.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Ditto, adminship is sort of the booby prize for being a good editor! No good deed goes unpunished there! Montanabw(talk) 22:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
My mind: I am a member of Editor retention, and I have a hard time to retain myself. Please follow the link to "need" above, then to "attack page" - still talking about the same need more than a year later, then look at my user page, "ban complaining", - and perhaps sign "peace" above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Amen to that Doc - especially when some of them get away with acting like this. - SchroCat (talk) 19:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Get away? - Up to us, no? I said my mantra in the middle of there as well, followed by talk of "losing horses" when referring to people and the case of need mentioned above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Quite right Gerda - and what you added needed to be said. Sadly others get away with a lot, and the dysfunctional behaviour they are supposed to safeguard against is fully in evidence in their own approach to editing sometimes. This is dispicable behaviour from a number of people, but one admin in particular, and his underhand obfuscation and evasion to try and avoid criticism over edit warring, censorship and threats involving the use of his admin status do absolutely nothing except further bring the name of admins into disrepute. He has acted like the very worst form of politician. Just like you I know of a number of very, very good admins who I will trust (including a couple who have acted against me in the past) but I come across some from time to time who constantly reinforce my generally very low opinon, especially when their hypocritical behavious falls short of the required standards for any editor, let alone those who should know better. - SchroCat (talk) 06:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

An invitation for you![edit]

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Hello, Gerda Arendt. You're invited to join ‹See Tfd› WikiProject Today's article for improvement. If you're interested in participating, please add your name to the list of members. Happy editing! AutomaticStrikeout (TC) 02:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
A good project, thank you for the invitation, - but I need to concentrate, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hey, Gerda! I saw your reply to my post on ANI; I think you've got me all wrong! I know it doesn't sound like it, but "badass" is actually a compliment. It's slang, but it's actually a pretty high compliment (in my mind, at least). I've always been really impressed with Graham87, and not just because he's a blind man working so well in an entirely visual environment that you never would have guessed. I was really impressed by him before I knew he was blind, even. Writ Keeper 15:31, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

ok, got it now, English is not my first language ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
No worries! I kinda figured; the word doesn't sound particularly complimentary, I know. :) Anyway, the expression about "losing horses" is, as Hand that Feeds says, derived from horse racing. I've usually seen it used as "backing the wrong horse" or "backing a losing horse". Basically, what it means is that you're wasting your time and effort on a "lost cause", a goal that has no chance of being successful or productive. (It's hard to explain idioms without using other idioms...) It comes from placing a bet ("backing") a slow (or otherwise bad) horse in a horse race. The horse is almost certainly going to lose the race, so betting money on it will almost certainly be a waste of money. In the context of the conversation, I think Doc was telling Ched to stop yelling at Sandy about Rlevse/PumpkinSky and Jack Merridew/Br'er Rabbit, since they're already gone; people aren't going to change their minds, and even if they did, it won't bring them back, so it's pointless. Does that make more sense? Writ Keeper 15:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
no. firstly, have you ever seen Ched yelling? secondly, if PumpkinSky changed his mind he could be back, but would he? being spoken about as we see here and places? thirdly, to reduce profit to money is narrow, no? fourthly, to compare people to losing horses, however idiomatic, is nothing that wins my heart ;) - I responded there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, I didn't say that Doc was right about what he was saying; I just think that's what he said, that's all. (And of course that's only my interpretation!) I think I've explained myself poorly; perhaps it would've been better had I not tried... Writ Keeper 16:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
(ec) You explained well, it's not your fault that your interpretation makes the line look worse than my own, because I didn't get that yelling part. Do you see what I see: that Ched is one of the calmest people around and it takes A LOT to make him speak up? - Did you have a chance to read the thread above that starts with Adminship? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, I guess I didn't mean "yelling" literally. Certainly, Ched isn't actually yelling. [redacted at request] The point is that Ched is derailing the subject of the thread so that he can be hostile to Sandy about editors that aren't around here any more. Doc is saying that, instead of focusing on the past, where what is done is done, he should instead focus on the present, where useful things can be still be said and done. Writ Keeper 16:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Interesting. I may have another language problem, "hostile" seems even worse than "yelling". Look again: who is not getting over the past? "Ched is being hostile towards Sandy, which is definitely true" is definitely untrue and not going to stay on my talk, please modify. Look again who was derailing the subject of the thread which was a conflict between Schro and Gimme (if I may use abbreviations). Look again what in the thread refers to that original dispute and what not. Saying again: it takes A LOT to make Ched speak up, and he ended: "Tell me how we get to a point of understanding."--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Sure, I don't want to offend anyone. But he's calling Sandy "toxic" and "detrimental to the project". How would you describe the language in this diff? I don't have any other words for it. Putting something nice at the very end of the post does not make the rest of the post nice as well. If that were so, I could write the most scathing insults on someone's character and end it with "but they sure have nice hair!", and then if someone accuses me of making horrible insults, I say, "But I wasn't insulting! Look, I complimented their hair!" I'm deliberately avoiding the usual loaded Wikipedia terms of "civility" and "personal attacks", because the last thing I want to do is imply judgement on this situation. I don't know the full story here; Ched could be perfectly right about Sandy, but that doesn't change the tone of what he said.
Look, I'm not defending Sandy here. I'm not prosecuting Ched, either. I'm not saying either of them were right or wrong. (Sometimes hostility is justified, and sometimes it's necessary. I have no idea whether or not it was either of those things in this case. but even if it is, it's still hostility.) But that's what I see. Writ Keeper 17:59, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, the problem is that Sandy IS hostile herself with her cracks that indirectly do refer to Psky and B'rer, which are in fact contributing to a toxic atmosphere and detrimental to the project. Ched's just basically pointing that out; we have one of those situations where one person (Sandy) is being quite a bully, but then when called on it claims innocence, and is shocked and outraged, claiming to be the victim. While it would be nice to stay in the present, that can only happen when EVERYONE cooperates, and when an editor doesn't try to skirt it by inserting veiled comments that keep poking at old wounds. Ched only spoke the truth, you see. Montanabw(talk) 18:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
And sometimes the truth is hostile, which is why I'm trying very hard to emphasize that I'm not saying Ched was wrong or uncivil or attacking or whatever. This is not the Inquisition, and the last thing I want to be is an inquisitor of civility. I was just trying to explain my interpretation of what another user meant. I honestly can't think of any other word to describe what Ched said; my mental thesaurus is failing me. I'll withdraw it (and indeed already have), but I don't understand why offense is being taken at it. Perhaps there's a cultural divide here, which not-so-coincidentally is one of the reasons why I never want to become an inquisitor of civility. Writ Keeper 18:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Cultural divide[edit]

Trying to understand more about a cultural divide:

  • Ched said "toxic" TO the addressee, not about her, that makes a big difference. - We should follow that example. Writ Keeper, you might want to notify SandyGeorgia of this discussion, we others are not welcome on her talk, and she likes to be notified.
  • I noticed the description "toxic place" elsewhere, not by Ched. (Note: a place, not a person)
  • I noticed that other users also show disappointment about a change in the tone of SandyGeorgia's contributions, see here and here.
  • Did you know that I started a discussion on civility and team spirit? (you need to scroll up there) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Ched's exact words in the diff I linked above were: "I will continue to point out how toxic and detrimental you have become to our project." (emphasis mine) Not "how toxic the project is because of you", but "how toxic you are." Ched was directly calling Sandy toxic and a detriment; he wasn't talking about the project or anything else becoming toxic. Once again, I don't want to get drawn into an argument about Sandy, and whether the toxic and detrimental labels are accurate. They may or may not be, I don't know. I just really don't want to leave this conversation with a misunderstanding between us about what I meant. :( Writ Keeper 07:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
No misunderstanding here: yes, he said so, but he said so TO her, not about her where she would not see it. I admire him for doing so. - I asked "define toxic" where toxic place was mentioned, and I asked for a better word/description below before I saw your reply. I like this beginning of better understanding! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Lacking words[edit]

Thinking further: I admire the artistic way Sandy Georgia uses words. Let's look at the thread, and let's (simplified, sure) assume that SandyGeorgia has a negative history with two people, Ched has a positive history with the same.

  • Roughly estimate how much room is given in that thread to the negative, how much to the positive. Please tell me a better word than "toxic".
  • Compare the room given to talking about these two people to the room given to the initial conflict between two other people. Please give me a better word than "derailing".
  • See how she mentions the phrase "Gimmetrow-- a productive admin in good standing --" as if "a productive admin in good standing" was a matter of fact and not the very issue questioned by SchoCat. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
  • "Toxic" was Ched's word, not mine. If my mean my use of "hostile", well, I still can't really think of any other way to describe it. "Antagonistic", maybe? There are certainly negative connotations with the word "hostile", but that's not really the spirit of what I meant. I did not mean it in the sense of "spiteful" or "malicious". I meant it more along the lines of "opposed", but stronger than that. It's hard to explain.
  • The second point is fair: "derailing" was an overstatement. "Sidetracked" or "off-topic" probably would've been better; it's still not what was supposed to be being discussed, but it had been brought up before, so "Derailing" was too strong a word to use. My mistake for that. :)
  • I'm going to decline to address the third point, as it's not really something I want to get into, and not something addressed by my original comment. Writ Keeper 16:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts, very helpful. - I would like a better word instead of toxic for my own use, do you know one? I would like to describe what seems like sticking to the negative of a past (probably summarized as "detrimental") vs. positive ideas for a future, - As for the thread, the original dispute, although two attempts to return from all the "side-tracking" to it were made, is still not resolved, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Editor of the Week[edit]

Gerda, we've been doing all this work on proposing the editor of the week idea, and you've helped us a good deal, but it occurs to me (well, let's be honest, it occurred to someone else at WT:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards and I thought they were right) that we should check with you before creating a structured system for giving out an editor of the week since you give out editor of the day. Do you have any objections, concerns, etc.? Thanks for everything you do here on the project... you ought to be one of our editors of the week. Go Phightins! 20:17, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Within two days, I was offered the t-shirt, adminship, princess, and now this niceness: PLEASE find editors who have not otherwise been awarded, so not me ;) - I will look, but keep in mind that my PumpkinSky Prize is absolutely not structured and my very personal thing, following a great example, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


Sorry about Colin. You are, of course, welcome to participate. I've actually noticed your name around, as I coded a lot of the WikiProject Opera backend - composer of the month and such, so I do see edits to it. =) Haven't really done mcuh in opera for a bit; should poke around my collection and see what comes out. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem, really, I am used to it ;) Colin is of course absolutely right that I support/recognize the quality contributions of banned editors. - Look above, we are striving for a politer expression for "toxic place" - and the desire to overcome it. - Music helps, go for it! Did you see "ban complaining" on my user page? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
ps: now I have to insert the ref for the sad news that another musician whose biography I wrote, died, Franz Lehrndorfer, teacher of our cantor, RIP, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

As promised:

Georges Rochegrosse's poster for Jules Massenet's Don Quichotte.jpg

Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Lovely and fitting, thank you ;) - Did you read civility and team spirit, my windmills? - Verbannet die Klage, "ban complaining", not "ban mourning", see? That was well before the last banning posse ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Heh. I could tell you some interesting stories about uncivil arbritrators, but think I shall refrain, as it was some time ago. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Refrain, - a good refrain. The arbitrators were ok last time, it's Teh Community I am ashamed to be part of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)


Chestnut pony with flaxen.jpg

Congratulations! For helping me format my Pony Prize, you have received a pony! Ponies are cute, intelligent, cuddly, friendly (most of the time, though with notable exceptions), promote good will, encourage patience, and enjoy carrots. Treat your pony with respect and he will be your faithful friend! Montanabw(talk) 20:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Respect! Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Icelandic Phallological Museum[edit]

Thanks for your prodding on this topic - I've decided to go along with SandyGeorgia's suggestion of nominating it for a non-specific date. Hopefully it will get a better reception than the last nomination... Prioryman (talk) 10:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

You have my support ;) The mushroom of a similar name should then wait until a month later ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Hello, Gerda;

Thank you for the unexpected sapphire! J. Spencer (talk) 16:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Rachel Nicholls[edit]

Harrias talk 15:59, 12 January 2013 (UTC) 08:02, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


Oh wow, thank you for the lovely gemstone. Hope I can live up to it! mgiganteus1 (talk) 09:09, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year Gerda[edit]

Dear Gerda, I am too busy thinking about all sorts of silly things and forgot to send you a greeting for the New Year, if such things amuse you. At any rate I'm glad to see you are still here and have not been distracted by the Wikifollies (!) I saw The Hobbit (film) on IMAX 3-d the other day and thought it was awesome. Snow is settling on Ipswich tonight so it all looks very pretty by streetlight, if cold underfoot. I hope you have yet another brilliant year in WP and of course (far more important) a brilliant year in the Reality (whatever you construe that to be) which is The Great Outside... If there is such a thing as a Jahresentwicklung I hope that yours will be frohlich. - Season's greetings, (Steven) Eebahgum (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Steven, I appreciate your personal thoughts and wish you no less than the same! - I didn't send "individual" greetings but had Christmas music on my user, - a remnant is still there now like a motto: "ban complaining". It's not the same as "ban mourning", - look above and for sing praises ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Grand Teton National Park[edit]

Hi Gerda! Well, it still needs a littl eplay on wording, but I managaged to trim 100kbs out of the leadin to the Grand Teton NP article and still add what (in my biased opinion of course) was a detail or two of can be seen here...I'll see if I can tweak the wording better tomorrow.--MONGO 02:07, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Great! I never went to the park, but remember the impression of the mountain range when travelling south from Yellowstone. You can nominate NOW, I can't - the rulez, you know, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Good topic! Montanabw(talk) 17:10, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Dudley Clarke and hurricanes[edit]

(from User talk:ErrantX)

can't be a hurricane, too similar to 16 December. - Do I get my points? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
H:-) Actually, I've played around with some figures at User:Bencherlite/TFA notepad - if we scheduled TFAs solely in proportion to the number of FAs still waiting their turn, we'd have 4 or 5 weather articles on the front page every quarter (18 or 19 in a year). I've scheduled Typhoon Rusa for 22nd January. As it is, I doubt we manage even three weather articles a quarter, meaning the backlog in that area increases. Similarly, I doubt we run 7–8 TV, film and media articles, 10–11 sports articles, 12–13 animal and plant articles, or 16–17 warfare (throughout history) articles per quarter either. I suspect if I look back at the first six months of 2013, I will find that we've "overepresented" art/architecture, literature, law, history and politics, and geography (again, based purely on the numbers in each category at Wikipedia:Featured articles that haven't been on the Main Page). Balancing the main page over time becomes even more fun when the need to consider fairness for different types of FA writer comes into the equation (something Raul touches upon in his FA thoughts. Regards, BencherliteTalk 11:28, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your balanced thoughts and the helpful notepad, appreciated ;) - with Messiah in mind (23 March), think about the postponed Tchaikovsky soon or much later, - there's also a mushroom prepared in WP:QAI/TFA - unless that little Phallus is another 1 April option. 28 January: the article is not Jane Austen, but reception history, I liked the former picture of the reading lady much better, to illustrate "reception" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I wondered about Messiah for Easter Sunday, in fact, rather than mark its London premiere (and third performance) almost a year after its premiere. OK, so 270 years is a round number, but not a particularly special round number. We'll see what people think in due course. I'm tempted to leave the contents of Wikipedia:Today's featured article/emergency alone, but I suspect that there will be another mushroom along soon, probably a classical music article of some description before too long (although going by the numbers again we're only "due" to have 1 classical music article per quarter or 5 per year, since the section is dominated by modern music). I think the photo of Jane Austen's face rather than her back (which could be anybody doing anything, not necessarily reading) is more appropriate in fact. But it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things - it's a luxury to have a choice of possible images! BencherliteTalk 12:01, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Messiah would be good on Good Friday, not Easter Sunday. Messiah had a Lenten premiere, the Passion the longest section, He was despised the longest movement, the resurrection just a brief recitative on an Old Testament Bible quote, - I said so last year, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking about Crucifixion and Last Judgement diptych for Good Friday... plenty of time to sort everything out! BencherliteTalk 12:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Agree, as long as you don't pursue Easter Sunday for Messiah ;) - Brianboulton was for the London premiere, because it gets an extra point as a multiple of 5 anniversary - another pointless point. (I fixed the link above, perhaps you are interested in the history.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

St. Peter zu Syburg[edit]

Started St. Peter zu Syburg.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:35, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Moved and inserted to Dortmund, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Gracias, did you go to San Fernando and Playa de Camposoto when you passed Cadiz? Near La Barrosa of course!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

My first try at an essay/WikiProject -Tell me what you think[edit]

User:TheOriginalSoni/Rolling Ball.

Do leave your feedback on the talk page. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

started, will watch, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


This is tardy but thanks for the ward you presented me with in my talk page a while ago. Much appreciated Kanatonian (talk) 15:45, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

St. Peter zu Syburg[edit]

Started St. Peter zu Syburg.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:35, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Moved and inserted to Dortmund, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Gracias, did you go to San Fernando and Playa de Camposoto when you passed Cadiz? Near La Barrosa of course!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Late answer, no, - will you expand the church? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be St. Peter Church, Syburg ?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

No, see St. Martin, Idstein and many others ;) (Not even the German has "-kirche".) - Thanks for expanding history, I tried to merge. Gothic in 1688 sounds quite unlikely, but at least there's a ref! Too bad that the monument listing is lost, I tried to find it, but all I find is mirrors of Wikipedia ;) - see Liste der Baudenkmale, missing there as well - Ready for DYK, I would say, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello Gerda. Glad to see our paths are crossing once again. Hope you don't mind my adding a redirect St. Peter's Church, Syburg. I really don't find St. Peter, Syburg very natural in English. It looks more like a place name than a church. Sorry about the edit conflict. I had actually been working quite some time on the article when I tried to update it at Dr. B's suggestion but ran into two edit conflicts. I think there is still a contradiction in the article about the date of construction of the choir (i.e. chancel). Do you intend to add anything on the furnishings and fittings -- Barbarafenster, Chorfenster, Petrus und seine Frau, the 1000-year-old font...? If not, I'll go ahead with that section when things have calmed down. And while I'm here, I would appreciate your advice on the score the music section of Danish Culture Canon. Which items do you think need to be developed into articles in English? --Ipigott (talk) 15:53, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
never heard "score music" before;) - I am sorry, I don't know any of the red link works, but think the anthology should be made an article, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
ps: if articles exist in Danish they could be linked by {{ill|da|xyz}}, for example Elverskud. Especially for red links, the English reader may want a translation of the titles, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Please go ahead, redirect and details. Busy elsewhere ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
ps: The redirect would be a good translation of Peterskirche. But now there is no Genitiv in the German official name, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Nor in the well known St. Peter (München) which is widely known as St. Peter's. I imagine in 799 the Pope called Syburg "Ecclesia Sancti Petri". Probably by accident the geniitive has been dropped in German. I'll get back to the article soon. Thanks for all you efforts. Quid Danish Canon? --Ipigott (talk) 16:40, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
There are many called with the genitive colloquially, Martinskirche, but our concert posters say St. Martin, and the poster for BWV 40 on 9 December said St. Peter ;) - I will expand the music section, but that is indepedent, no ec, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Syburg, created dab. can you translate the few sentences?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:01, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

I added some sources. Can you proof 5vor12?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:16, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

What's there is good! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:27, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Rudolf Rahn[edit]

Thanks for your review, Gerda, and could you possibly look at it again? Best wishes, Moonraker (talk) 15:46, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. He's a difficult subject, and I should not wish to form any judgement! Moonraker (talk) 16:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Wise indeed. Did you see that I reviewed another one also? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
That's something like serendipity, as earlier this afternoon I fought off the temptation to ask you to look at Dudum siquidem! DYK seems to be moving slowly lately, I don't know why. Have some of the activists sailed away into the sunset? Moonraker (talk) 17:40, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
one active supporter dropped out to the sunrise, look above for peace, click on it, to at least say that we miss him, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Es kehret alles wieder. Moonraker (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't believe that for the two mentioned in the box on top of this page, - a loss for knowledge, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I sometimes struggle with such things, but with little success. Und was geschehen soll, ist schon vollendet. Moonraker (talk) 20:56, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Sounds wise. Define struggle. I sing praises, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Try this, pursued without a reply. The decision processes of the English Wikipedia have an air of voodoo magic about them, subjectivity run out of control. For now, that seems to be in the nature of the place. Don't get too fond of it. Moonraker (talk) 16:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Fond? not serious ;) - look for "not serious" on my user, and you will see how I survive, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
or look for pride and prejudice on my user, today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Is the German Wikipedia much the same? No one here would think of you as a refugee! Moonraker (talk) 14:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
The German Wikipedia is different. I started here, because the name of a friend was a red link, then found out that I can offer to more readers writing in English. I work in German also. Should we take one of your articles there? My latest in that direction: Little Moreton Hall, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Less prickly than the English, I hope. My German is so much worse than my English that I don't try to do much there. Schuster, bleib bei deinen Leisten! Moonraker (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
We could try an outline of hall house, which has been developed impressively from where I left it. It's a good subject which the German Wikipedia seems to be lacking, but I am not at all sure what the correct German page-name would be! Moonraker (talk) 01:03, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Joel Brand[edit]

I'd check with user:Slim Virgin before this gets nominated; I pulled it from the queue to allow SV a chance to get the relevant books from the library to check the article over (it's nearly six years since it was promoted) and there might not be much point in suggesting it before SV has a chance to do that. By all means tell SV that you think it might be good for Brand's birthday, to give an extra incentive to do the work, although as 25th April is also Anzac Day we won't be short of possible choices... BencherliteTalk 15:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I will, saw that, - no problem removing a pending note if it doesn't work out, it's just a reminder ;) - no nomination process needed, right? - Thanks for scheduling! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Nominations are good, though pendings are useful too - just wasn't sure if you'd seen why it was rescheduled. Thanks, BencherliteTalk 15:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Gerda, I'd appreciate if you'd remove the article from the pending queue. I need to order the books and check the text against them. I'll let Bencherlite and you know when that's done. SlimVirgin (talk) 16:41, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Classical Good Articles[edit]

Hi Gerda. Following your comment at WT:GAN I made a split at Wikipedia:Good articles/Music and separated out "classical compositions". Don't really know enough about the subject matter to be confident that I moved everything that should be in this new category. Not even sure if that is the best title. Feel free to change, move or fix anything there. AIRcorn (talk) 21:40, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for getting it started! What do you you think of moving "classical compositions" from "Albums" to "Other ...". "Doctor Who Prom (2008)" is a concert, probably not classical, - fine sorting otherwise. Once we are at it, the performers could possibly also be split in classical and others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Fine by me. It is not really a subject area I spend much time in so was more hoping to get the ball rolling so others can work out the finer details. Did the songs previously so had a bit of a system anyway. Not sure about splitting classical any further. My general thinking is to keep the number of articles in categories between the 50 to 150 range. Like chairs categories are not much use if they are too big or too small. AIRcorn (talk) 02:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
The classical composers and performers are in a general section of 314. I could look them up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

QAI question[edit]

Gerda, I am ready to submit William Robinson Brown for FAC. I would like the article added to WP:QAI, I think, as I'd value the support of QAI participants. I am not sure how to place it on the page properly, however. Could you do it for me? It is already GA and has completed two peer reviews, all I need to do now, I think, is check licensing on one image (which I may just toss) and submit. Montanabw(talk) 18:28, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Place it in projects in progress, everyone watching can react ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:30, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


I've really enjoyed reading your articles on Bach's cantatas. It's an amazing achievement, and a truly historic one. Thank you. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 21:08, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. The achievement is the composer's, of course, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:08, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Aw thankyou!! I always think of you everytime I listen to this, I think its probably a similar setting to when you heard Paco, a few miles further to the northwest though at St. Goarshausen.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:49, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
I thought you liked Paco?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 00:52, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
I did, unforgettable and beyond words, that's what music can do
ps for others: all Bach cantatas are now blue, thanks to you, but look at BWV 18 today and tomorrow --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Have you seen this?Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
No, thank you! - Do you think we can expand Ulf Schirmer (not much on de) 5* for a 13 Feb premiere of Die Feen in Leipzig, that will go to Bayreuth? (Link in Wagner, Early works)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Knut Schoch[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Precious #2[edit]

Gerda, Thanks so much. Especially as this comes from you, and you are a great wikipedian, I really appreciate it. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:00, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Peter, Syburg[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


Hey there Gerda. Knowing that you are a lover of music, I am wondering if you could help me out. While not a Bach cantata, yodeling is, IMO, no less important. Recently an editor suggested that "my" yodeling article is not global enough. When you have time (if you have the interest) could you read the article and the talk page and offer feedback? Or perhaps suggest another editor that may be willing to give feedback? Thanks! Gandydancer (talk) 16:52, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I am not familiar with more than what the lead says, but you could translate what the German article has about "Verbreitung" (where), especially "Alpenländisch" (Alpine), put it in a sandbox and I will look when you ping me. Use "Hodaro", "Iohodraeho", "Holadaittijo", "Almschrei" (Almschroa) or "Juchzer" (Juchetzer, Jugitzer, Juschroa), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Students at Kreuzschule[edit]

Hi Gerda, if you are adding famous students, do tag their WP articles with Category:People educated at the Kreuzschule - Best, --Smerus (talk) 16:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

half-way in the process ;) #2 needs a translation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Text of Weinachtsoratorium[edit]

Hi Gerda-- I'm cataloging several copies of the Weinachtsoratorium - Helmuth Rilling, on Hänssler; Nikolaus Harnoncourt, on Teldec; Philip Ledger, on EMI; and Karl Münchinger, on London; possibly others. I have two questions about the text:

  • No. 51: Ach! wann wird die Zeit erscheinen? - Ledger and Münchinger give wann, but Rilling and Harnoncourt both give wenn. Is there a subtle distinction? Google Translate wasn't very helpful.
  • No. 56: Du Falscher, suchet nur den Herrn zu fällen - all four of these give suche.

I already did change kehren to kehrten in No. 34. Thanks for your help. Milkunderwood (talk) 23:25, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I also made some corrections to the BWV 209 stub. Milkunderwood (talk) 23:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
"wenn" (original) und "suche" (grammar) - have to deal with the "copyvio" (which wasn't) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, I fixed "suchet", but figured "wann" might as well stay since it's used in some CD booklets. Also added a note to BWV 200. Milkunderwood (talk) 09:42, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Lovely, keep going, my next is BWV 18 for Sunday, needs expansion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kreuzschule[edit]

Lord Roem ~ (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


Hi Gerda, I rarely go to DYK but was there because I submitted a DYK myself yesterday, and today when I looked to see that I'd transcluded it correctly, I had a look at the newest entries and noticed Kreuzschule which looked interesting to me. When it went on the main page I read it. The sentence about the first school building erected in on the south of the church in the 14th century, didn't make sense since the school apparently existed for a century or more before that, so I looked at the source. I found that much of the material in the first two paragraphs of the "History" section were almost verbatim from the school's history described in the sidebar (textbox) in this pdf. I've rewritten and noted on the talkpage. Thought you should know. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Did you know that this is so because the pdf copied from the German Wikipedia which we translated? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I think this is all sorted now, and I'd only left a message to alert you as to why I was editing the page. No, I didn't know about the taking from the German WP. For whatever it's worth, I think it's a very interesting article and there's room there for more fleshing out. I read it because of recently researching Gothic churches for another article, and also because I had Musical angels on my mind. The Schreiner source is quite good and I think more can be gleaned from that. Also, a background section could be added about medieval church choirs. Anyway, good luck with it, and thank you for reviewing Dean & Son. Truthkeeper (talk) 23:42, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


Hi again Gerda-- Now I was looking at Easter Oratorio, and noticed the three recordings listed there. Whenever I see a few recordings listed on a music page, I always wonder, how were these chosen? Did someone particularly like them, or did they get the best reviews, or are they historically important, or do they simply represent what someone happens to have in their collection? Is there anything to distinguish the different interpretations, or the forces used, etc?

And then looking at the History tab, I see they were all added by you, a couple of years ago. So I suppose I should ask you these questions: why these three, of the - well, Amazon returns 125 "results", but I didn't look through them.

I don't know if there's any guideline for how or what to list, or how many. There was a discussion here a while back, but this had to do with whether or not specific recordings should have their own separate articles, not whether they ought to be listed as examples of a composition.

I'm not familiar with any of these three that you listed, but obviously Koopman is going to sound very different from Gönnenwein - they come from entirely different interpretive traditions. So how do you personally choose what recordings are useful to list? Milkunderwood (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

My Penguin Guide is 20 years old; it lists only the Münchinger, but gives it their highest rating. The only copy I'm familiar with is Rilling, which is acceptable. Milkunderwood (talk) 05:56, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Good question! Look at BWV 82, more than 100 are listed on bach-cantatas (link in Sources), someone chose a few, a added a few with links to people. Easter Oratorio is listed here, I know the Gönnenwein, not the others of at least 28, probably didn't have much time then, probably again looked for names I know. Feel free to add more. I have several pre-formatted in my Bach sandbox, help yourself! - I was tempted to tell how happy I was to see your name on my watchlist again, - and here you come yourself!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I love Gönnenwein's cantatas - they're so old-fashioned and unstylish. I was brought up on Münchinger, but mostly Scherchen; and I just can't get with the program of putting up with all those verdammte squeaks and honks that people like to rave about nowadays - in SACD, no less. Milkunderwood (talk) 08:37, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure how useful these random lists of recordings are. The opera people organize theirs very well, making them clearly readable, and they try to pick up virtally everything; so those are not random at all. As far as I can recall I've added only the 1930s Casals gamba suites on cello, because of their historical significance. I worry that these lists give the impression of WP's imprimatur. Milkunderwood (talk) 11:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
They were not my idea, I found them in all older Bach cantatas, example. Readers who are not interested can simply stop reading there. I actually came to the Bach cantatas, because one of "our" singers, Klaus Mertens, recorded them all, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, Gerda, my thoughts were cluttered and ill-formed. I certainly understand that lists of recordings long predate both our WP activities. It's just that more and more I worry that somehow they give the impression to naive readers that the ones listed are somehow specially recommended, which isn't true at all, other than one or another individual editor being enthusiastic about (or simply owning) some specific recording. And when there are a lot, it's just clutter, unless it's all properly organized in table form as the opera people do it. I suppose this issue really ought to be discussed by the project.
By the way, I entirely agree with you about original languages - I'm not aware of any recording or production of something called "The Flying Dutchman" - would it be sung in English? - but then the whole concept of COMMONNAME is entirely nonsensical to me. That's what redirects are for, to send readers from a "common" name to the correct and encyclopedic name. It's stupid, it makes Wikipedia seem flaky and ignorant; but it is official policy, and it almost becomes not worthwhile arguing about. (Just about the only "Flying Dutchman" brought up at Amazon is a nickname for André Rieu who made several albums of - get this - Strauss waltzes.) Milkunderwood (talk) 21:03, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Wagner: please say so on the project talk and/or in the move discussion, it IS worthwhile arguing, same as Moonlight in a way. To speak of "Flying Dutchman" before the opera was translated is impossible, if you ask me, and to say it's in the way of Richard Wagner becoming a Featured article is underestimating the delegates. Bach: the recordings are much more history than recommendations, I like to see who recorded something in the 1940s and 1950s already. - You are welcome, of course, to make nice tables! Start with my GAs, BWV 76, 36, 40 ;) - ps: it's not an easy day today, I miss him, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2013 (UTC) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


Dear Gerda, please do not risk starting an edit war on this topic while the page is up for FA review. As it happens I agree the name should be changed, but as is also clear to you from recent discussions most others do not. If you want to change the main Wikipedia name for this opera, please make your arguments on the talk page of The Flying Dutchman (opera), Wikiproject Opera or other suitable locations. But don't provoke argument by doing this single-handed on the Richard Wagner page. Thank you.--Smerus (talk) 13:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I am not in for an edit war. I only continued what Michael Bednarek started: Wagner didn't think of an English title. This has nothing to do with the name of that article. Repeating: in the FA Franz Kafka, ALL titles are German, with a piped link to the English article. Kafka wrote Das Schloss, not The Castle. Wagner wrote Der fliegende Holländer, not The Flying Dutchman. Both delegates studied Kafka, because one got so involved that he left it for the other to pass. Don't be afraid ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

So you say "the use of English titles in certain parts of Wagner's biography is decidedly odd", so what? It is standard practice to use English names where they are most common in English per WP:NAME. That's the "we". Paul B (talk) 15:20, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

p.s. As far as I am concerned the rule concerning titles should be followed with links in articles. Your opinion that he "really" wrote Der fliegende Holländer is irrelevant. There are many reasons for this policy, but the most important one is to avoid nationalistic squabbling. And by the way, La Traviata is perfectly correct in English and IMO that's how the page should be capitalised. Paul B (talk) 15:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Do me a favour: read before you comment. It was not me, but Michael Bednarek who said "the use of English titles in certain parts of Wagner's biography is decidedly odd". It is not my opinion that Wagner wrote in German, but fact. - Sorry, I don't know what squabbling means, but perhaps I don't want to know. - Project opera is responsible for La traviata, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Do me a favour. Look up the word "squabbling" if you don't know what it means. Sorry if I misread the author of the edit summary. It's easy to do. Your "argument" is just a repetition of your non-point. We use the most common names. Stravinsky wrote Les Noces in Russian, and yet the title's there in French (and I use that capitalisation because I think that's proper for English usage whatever Project opera may think). It's the common title as used in English. Paul B (talk) 19:44, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I look up words I want to know. - I know what nationalistic means, it's the first time that's applied to me, and hard to take. I vote to use the original name when speaking about a composer's intentions in any language, last time Le Sacre du printemps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Paul, I think you need to WP:AGF with Gerda here and not make rash overgeneralzations. Labeling someone "nationalistic" is generally rude, and in this case, VERY rude. This is a discussion about bringing a move discussion on one article into another one that is up for FA, nothing more. Montanabw(talk) 01:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
@Paul Barlow: your opinion regarding the use of capital letters in titles of operas and works of classical music is clearly in contradiction to the guidelines of the relevant Wikipedia projects. The guidelines do explicitly not follow the most common names but those which are used in reputable publications and/or which follow an established naming scheme. Wikipedia's Manual of Style in general is like that: it doesn't follow the most wide-spread style details but picks some through consensus and then applies them consistently. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Awesome Wikipedian[edit]

Thanks for naming me an Awesome Wikipedian! You've made my day- that's a nice thing to wake up to. --PresN 16:22, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I remember the feeling, - that's one reason to do it, and I responded almost the same way ;) - It's a year today that I started calling it Precious, P for PumpkinSky, the photographer of the sapphire, sadly misssed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Defender of the Integrity of Wikipedia[edit]

WikiDefender Barnstar.png The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Dear Gerda, it's always a struggle trying to defend the integrity of Wikipedia as a real encyclopedia, against the COMMONNAME philistines who keep wanting to dumb it down instead of redirecting to correct article titles. I'm awed by your efforts. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, - will nominate the cantata for DYK now, a highly unusual one! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ich hab in Gottes Herz und Sinn, BWV 92[edit]

Lord Roem ~ (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


Gerda, I was just now looking at your note on Wagner's Männerlist at the Opera Project talkpage. I had been under the naive impression that in modern German, ss is considered an acceptable substitute for ß - is this wrong? I always keep finding CD liner notes, printed in Germany, that substitute the double-s for an Eszett. Of course I understand that Wagner's original title uses the Eszett, but (without having any idea of WP's guideline on its use, one way or the other), I worry that readers not familiar with German will have no idea what it represents. This seems to me an entirely different situation from any sort of diacritic (à, é, ô, ø, ü, ñ, ç, ł, š) where even if the reader doesn't understand the pronunciation, at least the underlying Roman character can be recognized. I haven't looked around for whatever rules WP might have for non-Roman characters such as þ (thorn) or ð (eth). Personally I would advise against using ß in article titles, but maybe that's just me. Milkunderwood (talk) 06:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Of course ß is a true ligature of Roman letters, like æ or œ, but it differs in not being recognizable as such. Milkunderwood (talk) 06:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
To answer the first question: the impression is wrong. ß is used after long vowels, such as Straße, opposed to short ones like Tasse. Replacing it by ss gives the impression of the wrong vowel length. So I advise to keep it. Fritz Grasshoff is my exception, because he changed his name when he went to live in Canada. It's Friedrich der Große, in that case the replacement is bad because "gross" has a meaning. - The Swiss don't use ß, and there is no capital ß, so when you go to all capitals, like in ship names, you will have GROSSE, - but now look at this mess ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - I hadn't understood the short/long vowel distinction was still necessary; I did know the ß had been abandoned in some areas, but thought it was generally being made optional (or discarded) throughout.
BTW, I added a note to your Holländer discussion at the opera project. Milkunderwood (talk) 08:39, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
ß: I - other than Grasshoff (interesting man!) think we should try not to change names. - Holländer: thank you, I just replied on Classical, - and did you see my comment (yesterday) in the FAC? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Roeckel DYK[edit]

Hi Gerda! -

I found the following message on my talk page (sent there by mistake) -

DYK nomination of August Röckel[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of August Röckel at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! MelanieN (talk) 23:24, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I am away from my references so alas can't help here; from memory I don't think there is evidence one way or another as to whether R. introduced Bakunin to Wagner, it may be in Newman's biography.

By the way I went to an excellent performance two days ago here in Kiev of Wagner's Rienzi Overture!

Best, --Smerus (talk) 04:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

thank you, I replied as I could, suggested to drop Bakunin. - The notice was not a mistake, you are the main author ;) - nice to hear about Rienzi! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ich habe genug, BWV 82[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for August Röckel[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gleichwie der Regen und Schnee vom Himmel fällt, BWV 18[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

....and now....[edit]

Dear Gerda, Well done with Röckel DYK!! - would you now like to take a look at Carl Friedrich Rungenhagen? Best, --Smerus (talk) 08:24, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, done - with a few inline citations that one would also be good for DYK, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Peter Planyavsky[edit]

Peter Planyavsky. Sourced Rungenhagen, more info here.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

thanks for the magic! - expand Ulf Schirmer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I added what I could find for Schirmer.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
The Planyavsky titles are hilarious! - could you do a dab on his last name? also Gárdonyi? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Created Planyavsky and Alfred Planyavsky, Gárdonyi already exists.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:18, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! I will expand Peter. Alfred would just need a few more chars to qualify for DYK ;) Gardonyi - Gárdonyi - Gárdony - Gardony seems still a bit confusing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

What is your single most favourite piece of music? Mine is this. It has romance, passion, sadness, atmosphere, poignance, grandeur, deeply haunts me in a good way!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Mine is the Mass in B minor, all the attributes apply, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


Hi Gerda; thanks for your support of the Anne Hutchinson article for TFA. I hope you don't think that my support for your Blaine article was in response to that. I started looking at the Blaine article earlier in the day, and wanted to enjoy it for a while before voicing my support. I was quite shocked to sit down and write my half-sentence support blurb for your article and then go up to update the table, and find that Hutchinson got another support. Lo and behold, it was from you! This was, actually, a coincidence. Anyway, thank you for this support, and also for the prized recognition with your "Precious" award last month.--Sarnold17 (talk) 22:29, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I like those coincidences, didn't even see it before you mentioned it ;) Blaine is not "mine", btw, none is. I don't like to fight, but ownership of articles is one of my enemies ;) - I nominate various articles of many authors as a member of WP:QAI, a project with a prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Composer links[edit]

The thing is that you and I know - but we shouldn't second guess the users.....Best, --Smerus (talk) 15:55, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

You think that you and I are the only ones to know that a piece's article will have the link to the creator? - A bit more seriously: I think it's actually better for the reader if only the essential information is blue. I link to a composer if the piece is a red link. - But I won't revert ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


Hi, re this edit - since {{Normdaten}} is a redirect to {{Authority control}}, and the latter was already present (just below the "Cultural offices" succession box, added with this edit), it's best to added the two parameters into the {{authority control}}. I have fixed it. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I missed the former one, and when copying from de I tend to be lazy ;) when I copy to de I don't translate the translation templates, happy that they work the same, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks.[edit]

Cheers for picking up the Erich Kettelhut article for the Germany portal, such a wonderful character - I just had to write it after being given Die Nibelungen as a Christmas present, it is one of the greatest films I have ever seen. Not sure if it fits your portal's needs, but I did get a DYK for Käte Bosse-Griffiths about five years ago. More of a Welsh DYK, but it may be of interest. Thanks FruitMonkey (talk) 23:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

I started only in 2011, taking (not picking) everything coming along. Feel free to insert her as #2 and archive as "Older" with a link to the DYK archive. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 10 February 2013 (UTC)


Thank you Gerda! Greetings from Kiev--Smerus (talk) 12:00, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Enjoy being kind of star of the day ;) - I learned not to wait for the bot (which seems to have a hard time learning {{article history}}) - thinking about expanding the cantata, the first GA of GA and my signature article (see above) for FA, after expanding ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Friedrich Rungenhagen[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 08:22, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Notification of discussion[edit]

A few months ago, you participated in a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Did you know about Gibraltar-related DYKs on the Main Page. I am proposing that the temporary restrictions on such DYKs, which were imposed in September 2012, should be lifted and have set out a case for doing so at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Gibraltar-related DYKs. If you have a view on this, please comment at that page. Prioryman (talk) 22:07, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

supported. (Next time around, can you link to the older discussion? start a new topic? not ask retired people - such as AutomaticStrikeout?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Champagne Galop[edit]

Hello Gerda. I was wondering if I could once again call on your expertise in regard to Champagne Galop, probably Lumbye's most successful work. I have finally embarked on the red links in the music section of the Danish Culture Canon and thought I would handle this one first. You are of course most welcome to make any additions or changes.--Ipigott (talk) 13:06, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Cute, - don't know the piece. Perhaps mention a bit on the music? Tivoli to lead? New year's concert from there to body? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
I know the piece well and I would have loved to comment more on the music but I cannot find much about the piece online except on the early inclusion of the xylophone in the orchestra and all the general stuff about Lumbye being the Strauss of the north. Maybe that would do but I'll try to dig deeper. I'll swop Tivoli and the New Year's concert around. Thanks.--Ipigott (talk) 17:09, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Is a score available? You can use it as a source, compare He was despised, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Surpringly, despite the age of the piece, I can't find any free online editions of the score. But I think the article's OK now. Thanks for your help. Maybe I'll create short articles on the other two galops.--Ipigott (talk) 21:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
You could also use an offline score, like a book ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Thank you wholeheartedly. This was unexpected but really touching. :D I really enjoy this place. Too bad that I am not as free as I used to be before. :( Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Mille grazie. Always happy to bring a little Puccini to brighten people's lives. Keep up the good work, as always, and happy always. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:43, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Alfred Planyavsky[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:51, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

That was a surprise, thankyou!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:30, 17 February 2013 (UTC)


If you want to nominate Cardus so we can see which of the two possibilities for 3rd April is the more popular, you may, and insofar as you need permission to do so, you have it! BencherliteTalk 23:58, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, but I nominated Messiah, did you change Teh Rulez? which require no more than one nom at a time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
I know you nominated Messiah, which is why I said that you could nominate Cardus and that insofar as you needed permission to do so, you had permission. If there was nothing to stop you, you wouldn't need permission, would you? I also know that Hawkeye has two nominations on the page, and I'm fine with that in the circumstances (I'd pick James Bryant Conant for that day even if he wasn't nominated and if we have competing 125th birthday boys, let's have them slug it out and may the best man win). I also know that "exceptional" noms like a triple TFA don't come to TFAR but to Raul's talk page but, as you will have noticed, I've turned a blind eye to that too... BencherliteTalk 09:23, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for all of this. I saw Hawkeye's two nominations but am not the one to point out formal mistakes if something makes sense. However (may SandyGeorgia forgive me), I would prefer to have the rules officially changed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Consider this part of an experiment if you want... BencherliteTalk 09:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
That's what I do, it's my experiment if these rules are forever, or if we can let go of that past, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Sorry if I confused earlier - James Bryant Conant is nominated for another date, 26th March not 3rd April, and I meant that I was planning to pick him for that day (i.e. as nominated, his birthday) anyway - see my notepad. So it's a straight fight between a US admiral and an English critic. Should be fun... BencherliteTalk 14:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
No problem about the confusion. Fight is not my fun, I told Brian about this, he and Tim are the authors of Cardus, it's up to them, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: Precious again[edit]

Wow, thanks so much, Gerda! I trust your well. Graham87 00:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for BWV 22[edit]

I responded to the discussion on the DYK but I wanted to mention it here so you would see it faster. The only thing I see missing is a footnote citation on the second sentence - which is the first mention of the fact in the hook. Once you add that, drop me a note and I'll be fine with giving it a green "OK". Allecher (talk) 19:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I think I did that, will reply there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:06, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Is Mozart your thing too?[edit]

Are you a Mozartist as well, or solely a Bachist? I was thinking of doing a Mozart article but wouldn't mind getting some feedback on it before I subject it to the DYK treatment. Prioryman (talk) 22:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I love Mozart, - what do you have in mind? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Bardengesang auf Gibraltar: O Calpe! Dir donnert's am Fusse is pretty scanty, there's a lot of scope for expansion there. I'm just going through sources at the moment. Prioryman (talk) 22:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
moved ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Well done, I don't have the eszett on my keyboard. :-) I'll do some work on the article and ask you to look it over when I'm done, if that's OK with you. Prioryman (talk) 22:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
fine, - the pic overlaps with the text on my small screen. Funny piece, never heard of it! - Perhaps we should think of the title again, description or first line, - to have both seems almost too much, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Turns out the article has been on DYK before, six years ago (!), so I won't be nominating it after all. I'd be grateful if you could have a look over it now that I've expanded it, though. Prioryman (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Great expansion! I moved the pic because the poem's stanzas were not aligned, - revert if you don't like it. Any red link possible to mention the thing it in a hook? (That's what I do when I can't expand enough.) Or GA? - "Erzengländer" is stronger than "real Englishman", like "Erzfeind" is archenemy, literally "ore enemy". "Rational person"? "Reasonable"? But we have to take what the sources say, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
The sources differ about the translation, actually; some give "arch-Englishman", which fits with your comparison with "Erzfeind". We could use that? Prioryman (talk) 23:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, please, there's also Archangel, same thing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
So Englishmen are the next best thing to angels? Sounds good! ;-) I've added "arch-Englishman". Thanks very much for your help. Prioryman (talk) 23:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
my pleasure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ulf Schirmer[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Funny how Aage Haugland keeps turning up. I started him ages ago just because his name began with Aa! I was having a fun day finding missing articles beginning with Aa!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Erhard Hegenwald, can you proof?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:20, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Danke!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Gerne! - We found an excellent translator for Enchiridion, and another for the Lochamer, did you see? Love it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Mental note!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:38, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22[edit]

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Roland Bader[edit]

Carabinieri (talk) 00:03, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Josiah Gregg[edit]

Gerda I read this article because it's interesting, but looked at the history and noticed it was one that Billy Hathorn worked on. I don't know whether you're familiar with the history with him, but anyway found some close paraphrasing that needs to be addressed. Examples:

  • From this source [2], article says
  • "In 1831, on the advice of his doctor, Gregg left Missouri and took a trip west to Santa Fe, New Mexico, on a new trail beginning at Van Buren, Arkansas with a caravan of merchants",
  • source says, "On the advice of his doctors Gregg made his first trip west in the spring of 1831, across the plains to Santa Fe with a merchant caravan".
  • And this source, (btw the link is wrong), [3],
  • article says "During 1848 and 1849 Gregg joined a botany expedition that went through western Mexico and began sending specimens of plants to eastern naturalists and corresponded within George Engelmann in St. Louis, Missouri, sending him collections of plants, many of which were previously undescribed."
  • Source says, "Having become acquainted with the German naturalist Frederick A. Wislizenus, he joined a botanical expedition to western Mexico and California, during which he corresponded with and sent specimens to the eminent botanist George Engelman in St. Louis.

These are fairly easy fixes, but result from a very looking at only two sources, so the rest of should be checked. I thought about putting this on the nom, but haven't checked the history to see when the edits were added. It's tricky because the current nominator probably didn't introduce the errors, so I thought I'd alert you since you reviewed and approved. Truthkeeper (talk) 01:03, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I will look closer or withdraw, - there are only so many ways to say a thing, and the ones you mentioned seem not too close to me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Maybe ask Moonriddengirl about it with links to my edits here - she's familiar with the Billy Hathorn case. Truthkeeper (talk) 12:19, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Good idea, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Not sure she saw it. I've rewritten slightly. Truthkeeper (talk) 12:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! - She sometimes replies not instantly. - I guess you would still recommend a thorough look at the sources? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Looking now and unfortunately finding more, editing as I go. But I need to work now, so yes, I think a thorough spotcheck is warranted. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:02, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Fine, thank you, no rush, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi Gerda, leaving you a link [4] to this query on my talk. Can you follow up on this please? I thought that QPQ reviewing was just that, and as I haven't submitted shouldn't really be doing a review or have to do the spotchecks. Thanks. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:49, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps you note in the review that you are done, and someone else should look, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, can't. Have mentioned it here. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
responded there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Question about DYK[edit]

Hi Gerda! I expanded the Josiah Gregg article which you had originally said was good to go, and which now has a note about "close paraphrasing." I read the paragraphs above this one and I am still confused. I reread the article and all the sources tonight and except for where I go thru the list of wagons, men, and livestock, I don't see anything too close, but then again, perhaps I have looked at it too many times and fresh eyes are needed. Please do let me know what you think, I am glad to read (above) that the problem wasn't in the parts I just expanded! Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! The close paraphrasing issue is too hot for me, not being fit enough in English, I think a second pair of eyes would be good, and will have some patience first for them to show up. As I said above, I don't see the mentioned examples as too close, but I learned the power of suspicion well enough to be careful, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Palais Leuchtenberg[edit]

Can you proof this, text is hidden.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:05, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Interesting! Ludwigstrasse should be moved to Ludwigstraße (Munich) or something like it, Strasse is wrong German, and there many named after Ludwig, compare, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Is it sorted now? Can you translate the captions for the gallery?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Erfurt Enchiridion[edit]

Congratulations to you and ☠ on this! I had never heard of this work, and it's an interesting subject. In reply to your note on my talk page, I'm not sure which was the "latest addition" you meant, but if you think something I added is in the wrong place, please just move it. Moonraker (talk) 21:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I moved it, also to the lead. Can you imagine to translate the title page, which says about the same thing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I started ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Glad you enjoyed it Moonraker 1, thanks again for your diligent translation assistance.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:09, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Das ist wunderbar!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Echo. And thanks for the credit, I did very little. Moonraker (talk) 01:13, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Veni redemptor gentium‎ stub. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

List of masses by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart[edit]

Hi Gerda, hope you are well. I stumbled across the above and thought I maybe able to do something with it. This is my attempt at formatting a correct wikitable and I have also given it a bit of a lede too. I may have some of the table titles wrong (along with some other bits and pieces), but this does stray a little out of my area (despite my love of classical music). Let me know what you think, and if you like it I will move it over to the main space. Best regards! -- CassiantoTalk 18:30, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Excellent approach! Did you see my conversation with Riana? Get the title as column 2, move it to mainspace and let's take it from there, it's already much better than what we have,
I did see your conversation, yes. A little bit of talk page stalking is where I gain my inspiration to help others out. It's all moved over and looks kinda good! Happy to help :-) -- CassiantoTalk 20:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, a good team! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Rlendog (talk) 21:37, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I will reply there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Peter Planyavsky[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Peter Planyavsky at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Edward Clark (conductor)[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Gerda, I sometimes think I'm losing the plot, because I had no idea this had even been nominated, let alone finalised. Thanks, anyway. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 08:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
He is winning! - Did you see that the reviewer recommended to take it to GA? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I did. I've never been that interested in the whole GA/FA thing, but maybe it's time I got on the bandwagon. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 08:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
You could just try, he's such an important figure, deserves the extra attention! If it fails (depends a lot on who will review), so what. All you have to do is place {{subst:GAN|subtopic=music}} on top of his talk page. - I just recommended to follow your moving example, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Planyavsky[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:04, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Erfurt Enchiridion[edit]

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

German botanists[edit]

Hi Gerda - Ludwig Wittmack and Augusto Weberbauer may interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:04, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they do! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Es lebe der König, der Vater im Lande, BWV Anh11.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:24, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, see? (in progress) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Wow, I'm impressed! Why did you remove the beige coloured header form the infobox? I rather liked it, makes it more interesting. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to please Mathsci, didn't work (s. BWV 105 history), - but I also like it simple, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Johann-Sebastian-Bach-Institut and Nikolaus HermanDr. ☠ Blofeld 11:46, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


:) ~ Riana 16:12, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Miss Calypso DYK[edit]

Gerda, thanks for making the nom. I was gonna take care of it today, after I worked some more on its lead and took care of some other housekeeping. Would you mind if I suggested another hook? Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Of course not! - I probably should have waited a bit, but forgot such things in the past ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
No problem; I appreciate the assistance. You might already know that this article will be on the main page on Angelou's 85th birthday, as will her main article, on April 4. I'd also like to get an Angelou FT by then, but I'm not confident. The final thing that needs to happen first is List of honors received by Maya Angelou being passed as an FL. Would you mind helping out by going here [5] and taking a look? I'd muchly appreciate it. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:46, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
I looked at the list, very impressive awards! Nicely arranged and well sourced. On my small screen, the Obama pic makes the list appear very narrow, creating a lot of white space. I see several solutions: you might put it at the end, to the refs, where it fits better chronologically, - if you have more pics like that you might include it in a separate column, - you might expand the lead and place it before the table. - I never reviewed a list, so hesitate to be number one there ;) - I remember that this one didn't make it. - I tried to nominate a picture for featured, the one on top, - that also didn't make it. - Good luck for you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree that the Obama image crowded the list of awards. I moved the image down to the "Honorary degrees" section where there was room at the right. Binksternet (talk) 22:03, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
I actually asked how to solve that problem, so I'm glad someone overcame my inadequacies and helped fix it. Thanks to the both of you. If you're uncomfortable being the first to review it, put it on your watchlist and shoot, be the second person! ;) And I believe in you; I think you're more than able to review a FL. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 07:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
It was on my watchlist before you asked ;) - Wish I had more time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lochamer-Liederbuch[edit]

Gatoclass 00:02, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Reciprocity, repetition, etc.[edit]

Hi, Gerda. Thank you for your nice "anniversary" note. I also am sorry about PS's absence. I regret that I completely missed his RFA. I was busy with real life, and I had un-watchlisted his RFA, so I was unaware of it until it was too late to help. In general, I believe there's way too much wikidrama. Wikidrama is rough on people! --Orlady (talk) 20:21, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I remember that you watchlisted it ;) - Your translation help is still up here, not only because of "impervious to pain, up to a certain point". The first time I noticed how rough Wiki is on people, was Rlevse leaving, I shrugged. The second time was BarkingMoon leaving, I screamed. (Some still believe that was the same person.) - I got more impervious and now just keep our sad list, should add Bishonen and My76Strat as of yesterday but always wait a few days hoping, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Messiah and Neville Cardus[edit]

Hello, Gerda. You are much more clued up than I am about nominating articles for the front page, and I am suitably grateful for your efforts with Messiah and Sir Neville. We must brace ourselves for the usual well-meaning but unhelpful drive-by changes. Prenez garde! Best wishes, Tim. – Tim riley (talk) 17:32, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! In case you have time and info, Messiah Part II and III show "Lücken" (empty spots?) for the movements we did not perform, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bernhard M. Hämmerli[edit]

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Palais Leuchtenberg[edit]

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

St. Peter und Paul, Weimar.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Look at all the links you filled (just created ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:50, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah LOL, 1111 is a weird figure! Can you proof Wilhelm-Ernst-Gymnasium, I've also asked Moonraker's help so maybe do half of something if you can, I think we could include the church and the school in one hook.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:32, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

The church is meant for Easter! Don't let me look for a third red link ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Started, but need to go. History is very rough. Perhaps do what I would do: look for the links in German, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Preise dein Glücke, gesegnetes Sachsen, BWV 215[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:43, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Klaus-Jürgen Deuser[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:30, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Precious award[edit]

"Aw shucks", Gerda! You're a great encourager. Thank you. --Bermicourt (talk) 14:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


Gerda, before I clear out of here I want you to know that it's not okay to come to my page and complain to me about a., other editors spelling; b., an editor's interactions with another; c., give up personal information about an editor I've never interacted with. Please in the future take up the complaints with the editors in question. Also in terms of having issues about how one editor interacts with another, keep in mind that I've been subjected to quite a lot of unpleasantness from editors who you not only defend and support but have gone so far as maintaining their pages and making a special "missed" page for. Where were you when they were harassing me or others? I'm very upset by the continuing sniping and animosity and think the only way to get out from under is to walk away. Truthkeeper (talk) 17:12, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I said sorry a few times, once I noticed it wasn't a good idea. The "missed" page was not made by me, as you can easily see from the contributions to it and the history. - Every editor is a human being. - What you perceived as sniping and animosity was not intended as such, I am sorry once more. - I said before that facts don't help when feelings are strong. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, I would suggest being careful to speak only for yourself - TK's reference to "sniping and animosity" deals mostly with the other editors she refers to in her post. Others are not as kind as you seem to try to be. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
I can speak only for myself, naturally. Thank you for the reminder, also for the Planyavsky change, - it helps people like Moxy. - I perceived some comments regarding him in the infobox thread as unpleasant, but perhaps I am wrong, and AGF would have been the better idea, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for In the Penal Colony (opera)[edit]

Chamal TC 17:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Joseph Merk[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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You really do deserve this, and may more like it, for all the work you do around the place! - SchroCat (talk) 11:11, 12 March 2013 (UTC) ...and so say all of us! -- CassiantoTalk 13:02, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! - trying to teach the basics is tiring sometimes ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank You!!!![edit]

Hi Gerda, it's so nice when someone asks how I'm doing.. Yeah, I really don't know why we watch pages, but I do know that we are supposed to click on the heart if we want to watch it... I read it in the intro.. So if you don't mind- 1. Why should I watch pages and how am I doing so far??? The Wikimon (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

More composer navboxes[edit]

You seem to have quite a bit of knowledge that enables you to help fill in composer templates. I have also created these {{Franz Lehár}}, {{Jacques Offenbach}}, {{Georges Bizet}}, and {{Giacomo Puccini}}. If you add the template to any pages make sure to add the pages to the template and if you add any pages to the template, add the template to the pages.

I wasn't sure enough if they are ok, but will add. - Easy knowledge, besides the {{Bach cantatas}} with many spelling errors and new ones added, and {{Lutheranism}}: I had to pipe The Flying Dutchman, because {{Wagner}} composed Der Fliegende Holländer ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Oh, you did it already! Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Two more to look at {{Antonio Vivaldi}} and {{Gioachino Rossini}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Will do, but have limited time today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Have a look at {{Der Ring des Nibelungen}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I looked at Vivaldi only now. It reads as if Operas and sacred music were no compositions ;) Is there a list of his sacred works? He wrote several Gloria (how to show that in the navbox, the article says so), and more than one Credo (the article does not say so), I would not be surprised if more than one Kyrie, but the article says firmly "The Kyrie". - Ring: good approach, I would look for a different word for "Cycles" when we get to the single parts, would get "discography first" for all, and list some dates, perhaps beginning AND premiere date, because of the gap. Mention Bayreuth? First Ring 1876? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I am not sure what you are suggesting with Vivaldi. I have made {{Book of Exodus}}, {{Don Juan}}, {{Don Giovanni}}, {{Maurice Ravel}} and {{Johann Strauss II}}. With the latter, I left in the opus numbers. Should I put them back in for any of the other ones that I have done? Should I remove them in this one?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Newly created: {{Claudio Monteverdi}} and {{Claude Debussy}}--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Also did {{Arnold Schoenberg}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:54, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join Wikiproject Conflict Resolution[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Conflict Resolution.--Amadscientist (talk) 10:45, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Good goal and project, I will watch, but have a lot on my unwritten to-do-list, both content and project work. I try to work towards the goals in the conflicts I am in, see this long one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Did you know nominations/St. Peter und Paul, Weimar[edit]

Sorry about the promotion. Thanks for pointing it out. Its a good hook, must have gotten carried away. Cheers! Ashwin147 (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


I like your [[File:Scuttled ships.jpg]] legend.
All the best! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks should go to Wehwalt, who took the photo - thinking of a legend - and coined the phrase on his user, - perhaps I should credit him but thought the pic would tell those whose "inquiring mind wants to know", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Ha, ha! Excellent! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thüringer Bachwochen[edit]

Thüringer Bachwochen, text is hidden!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:55, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, can't remember if we nommed it or not!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:00, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

This one is too short, at least now. You wanted to do the Gymnasium with the Herder House, - I think it's too late for the Gymnasium, but you could still mention it with the other. Needs refs first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Woman photographers[edit]

Hi Gerda. As you may know, some of us have been trying to improve coverage of women photographers in connection with Women's History Month. I have just started an article on Gertrud Arndt whose name immediately reminded me of yours. If you happen to know of any other deserving German ladies, please let me know. You can see those who already have biographies at List of women photographers.--Ipigott (talk) 10:50, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

My woman photographer is Anna Blume. When her husband died, Bazon Brock spoke at the funeral and quoted his high-voltage sign, shown on my user. - Thanks for this one! Two more lines, and it's DYK, she deserves it. - I would like to see Elisabeth Röckel expanded on her 220th birthday, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
OK. I've added a bit more if you would like to nominate her for a DYK. You might also be interested in Margaret Michaelis-Sachs. See also the bottom of my talk page for a number of other recent additions. Did Elisabeth Rôckel have any interest in photography?--Ipigott (talk) 14:24, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Will nom and look. Elise photography? 220 years ago? - no, woman in history, wife of Hummel, soprano, collected lock of Beethoven but is probably not "his" Elise, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:51, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
ps: would you mind an infobox? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't have added an infobox myself and WP History of photography is not keen on them either. But I suppose that in the end it's a matter of taste. A photo would be good though, if you are good at finding photos out of copyright. As for Elisabeth Röckel, my question was not really out of context. Women were working with photography from the mid-19th century. Just look at Anna Atkins (1799-1871) for example. Anyway, if you think I could help with enhancing the coverage of Röckel, I'll try to get back to her some time in April although I see it's her birthday today. My priority for the moment is women photographers. Thanks for working on a DYK.--Ipigott (talk) 17:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Röckel was in the 18th century, April too late, - all the best with yours --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Dann liebe Gerda muß ich es vielleicht auf Deutsch erklären. Vom 1800 bis 1900 sind wir nicht im 18ten sondern im 19ten Jahrhundert. Röckel wurde vielleicht am Enden des 18ten geboren aber sie lebte und sang im 19ten. Eben wie Anna Atkins fotografierte im 19ten. Ganz verwirrend, nicht? Diese Jahrhunderte sind manchmals nicht zu verstehen. Ich komme auf jedem Fall eines Tages auf Elisabeth Röckel zurück. Sie verdient viel mehr. Auch wenn sie nicht mehr Geburtstag hat! Sogar auf dem deutschen Wiki gibt es nicht besonders viel über sie. In der Zwischenzeit habe ich Anne Blume auch aif die Liste gebracht. Gut daß Du sie genannt hast. Schlaf gut und bis zum nächten Mal.--Ipigott (talk) 21:30, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Danke, voll von Spatzenmesse (für Ostern) - Anna Blume bitte, wie Schwitters ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

In case you are interested[edit]

see here. Frietjes (talk) 21:50, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

interested yes, thanks, watching - I said today that some people learned from the former discussion, - I should thank Andy for making Andreas Scholl more famous, he sang He was despised for us, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Merchandise nom proposal![edit]

I want to nominate your name for Wikipedia:Merchandise giveaways/Nominations. I have seen at least one editor there has declined the offer after being nominated! Let me know your opinion! --Tito Dutta (contact) 09:30, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Not applicable! --Tito Dutta (contact) 09:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I am on the list, took the honours but declined the merchandise, - thanks for thinking of me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Margaret Michaelis-Sachs[edit]

Thanks, Gerda, for your DYK nomination. I have modified the text of the article so that it reflects your hook. I should also point out that Cracow has been updated in the article to Kraków. I therefore suggest the hook should be modified to coincide with this spelling.--Ipigott (talk) 12:29, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Do so, need to go, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Also modified text of Gertrud Arndt to reflect your hook.--Ipigott (talk) 12:43, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! (The hook doesn't have to be in the article exactly, did you know?) - Met this lady, juxtaposed to Thorvaldsen's of the same name, the guide said that they appear in all books together but never so far in the same room! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
It makes it much easier for the reviewer if he can immediately connect the hook to the text of the article. In any case, your quotes deserved more specific attention. On Thorvaldsen, I suppose you are referring to Hebe. Maybe you've been to the Neoclassical exhibition at the Städel Museum? I believe both Canova's and Thorvaldsen's Hebe were to be placed together there. I hope they enjoyed each other's company!--Ipigott (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
good research! both actually looked not interested in the other ;) a good exhibition: nothing else in the room --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Satyajit Ray filmography[edit]

Hey. Would it be possible for you to take a look at the article and provide some feedback on PR raised? I am planning to take this up to FLC. Any feedback would be appreciated. - Vivvt • (Talk) 00:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)


... for the typo fix [6] - I was copying the article titles off the front page of my score, where it's spelled "Antlich", and thinking "I swear we sang something different" but I was writing late at night and didn't go the tiny step further of verifying, obviously :) ~ Riana 01:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

my pleasure to read your articles! - I learned typo fixing watching George Ponderevo and never thanked him until yesterday (blushing now). - We will sing the Schubert Mass No 6! - Did you see that there are two red links of choral works in our concert history? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
ps: did you notice that I added several Masses to "we", also yesterday? (On my talk I feel free to say Masses, not masses.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Very nice. I intend to write an article on the Rutter Mag and Gloria once I get hold of scores (probably sometime in the next week, I don't own any). Same plan for the Kodály Missa Brevis and Langlaise Messe solennelle :) ~ Riana 10:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I am thrilled! I sang both Rutters, Gloria with a different group (great but not "notable" enough), and the Kodály. Schubert deserves all masses covered, I prepared No 5 and then was sick the day of the concert, tough ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I've definitely got my eye on all the Schubert masses. :) ~ Riana 12:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Great! (I thought so.) - Can you expand the G minor Stabat Mater a bit (Schubert baptized in the church, Magnificat part of vespers service ...)? Would be a good DYK on Good Friday. I wonder if the titles arend't better including Schubert's name, for search purposes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do about the Gm, it's quite a small piece but I may be able to expand with historical background and some notes on the music. I have set up a disambig page at Stabat Mater (Schubert) so the Stabat Maters can be found easily but I'm fine for someone to move them back to include Schubert's name. ~ Riana 03:21, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

All done! Check out {{Schubert masses}} :) I'll need to write the list at some stage. ~ Riana 10:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Osanna! Will look, busy now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Andreas Scholl[edit]

I've finished with the lead now Gerda, hope you think it does the subject justice. Ironically, now that the lead's been expanded, I much prefer the uncollapsed infobox (I might even prefer no infobox at all in this case, but that's a separate story). The length of the infobox vs. the length of the lead is a factor that seems to have been largely ignored in all of the recent "discussions". Malleus Fatuorum 04:59, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! (This is without looking yet, I trust your quality.) - Did you see that I took the picture (not the lead, the other)? Same day as the one of another church where he appeared and you liked. I will not touch the infobox until the "collapse discussion is over", see talk. - There should be more in it, will look into that later, see talk. - A good infobox should draw the interest of someone who just came to find one fact into reading the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I only looked at the lead Gerda. May I ask you a personal question? Is Gerda Arendt your real name? If you're suspicious about why I'm asking you then just email me and I'll explain, nothing sinister I promise. Malleus Fatuorum 07:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
If I was a suspicious person I would not write under my real name ;) - if you have time, go over the rest, - if you look at the history, you will see that it was started by a devotee, ready to mention every note he sang, I dropped a lot of that but a bit more of one style would be great. You won't believe how many people crowded our concert just to hear him. He said he would come again (about the highest praise a church choir can receive) but has no time for the next one, David Erler will sing alto then, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
The reason I asked was because I'm thinking of adding my real name to my user page. I feel foolish editing under a pseudonym like "Malleus Fatuorum", and if my real name isn't already bagged I may request a change. Either way, I think a little more openness might go a long way. Malleus Fatuorum 07:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Good idea! - Good luck! (You will need it, because as far as I know Andy Mabbett tried the same, but was not permitted to change, that's how his signature got so long.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll see if my real name is available. Back on the subject of Scholls though, I've heard some old recordings of castrati. Can he really reach those high notes with his balls still in place? Malleus Fatuorum 07:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
There were soprano castrati and alto. He can singer everything alto, your recordings may be soprano. There are males who can those also. - His wonderful event for the Rheingau Musik Festival - 3 concerts in 3 churches in one day will be repeated this year (different programs and one church different)! - That festival could also use a better lead ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
ps:for name changes, ask 28bytes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
What do you think about the castrato article? Malleus Fatuorum 08:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
no time, need to talk to ArbCom and go to church ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Simeon Magruder Levy[edit]

Hi Gerda, I've reviewed and there is a small issue before this can pass. Please see the nomination. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:22, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Twinkle, Twinkle...[edit]

Dear Spongefeeder, I've been bitten by the Wikibug, and it's uncontrollable... Everytime I walk in front of my comp or iPod, it calls to me to come and edit, even during exams, I think searching for pages to edit... Request antidote immediately... BTW I've got Twinkly on my Task Bar... Is it good or am I being a smarty pant?? Cause everyone has it, and I thought maybe I should have it tooo!!!!! And I just crossed 100 edits!! Treat's on me.... :)The Wikimon (talk) 13:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Twinkle? - Do exams first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok WikiProject Economics looks pretty screwed up.. Nothing new, doesn't even look neat and no way close to other WPs that I peeked into!! I love my daily dose of Eco and want to know how I can help there??? BTW exams are going great, another three papers left and I'll be here 24/7!! :-) So don't worry Mama Bear!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Wikimon (talk) 09:14, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Good to know! Do you mean what the project is doing or how it presents itself? I would go to the project's talk and ask how I can help, and after some help asked, see what else I want done. - I am involved in several projects (categories on my user), for example Germany, where I maintain the DYK section (Did you know?) on their portal, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Discussion you may have an opinion on[edit]

I am surprised you have not stated your opinion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Opera#Opera_template_usage.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:04, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

no time (look above), now off for RL, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Orchestra infoboxes[edit]

Gerda, I apologize if I appeared to give offense; certainly none was intended. I always have a great respect for your thoughtful comments. Here I happened to disagree with some of your suggestions, but I was in no way trying to shut off the discussion. Milkunderwood (talk) 18:14, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I just replied on your talk. No, I didn't have the impression that you tried to shut off the discussion, I had the impression that you thought that was my proposal, whereas it was no more than showing how such a thing could look and what possibilities there are. I live by examples, and the amount of talk by people who don't have the slightest idea of a topic is astounding. Some may not know that every field can be a list, and that the list can be partly or completely collapsed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I saw that. I don't know anything at all about the ongoing project to include all wanted metadata within an infobox, but you should raise that point at the discussion. Milkunderwood (talk) 18:30, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Do so if you want trouble ;) - some people are fed up with the topic, I try to take it easy. - Ask Curly Turkey, or read a bit in that discussion. - My point is that Wikidata has to come from somewhere: we can supply something good - or wait for others to do so, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I certainly understand that WP is filled with controversies of all kinds - sometimes it seems to be about little else. I do not know anything about this metadata business, but I can imagine how much nonsense it is generating. If there's a probability of this current proposal getting mired in the same stuff, it might as well be addressed - we can't hide it under a rug. And, it's only in the context of the metadata problem that I could understand the points you had posted there before, but seemed to be tiptoeing around. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Please get from "controversies of all kinds" to this particular one which we just survived, and see that facts didn't help against the personal issues carried on since 2008. One editor went on semi-retired. I have no time for that, sorry. - If we put data in an infobox, that opens possibilities for access in other cultures and languages, but only if it's granular, for example you know where in a date the month is, what a city is, etc. - Look at that discussion and see people opposing things they don't understand and don't even try to understand. - But then you meet one who got it and can be happy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Nikolaus Herman[edit]

Harrias talk 00:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Navboxes under fire[edit]

Today, I deployed {{Don Juan}} and {{Don Giovanni}}. They are under fire at WT:OPERA. Have a look.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:30, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to link to your composers navboxes, same fire, I don't think I would be heard ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thank you for your help and your patience with me on the Josiah Gregg DYK article!! I have been very busy with helping a friend with their house and moving lately and if you hadn't kept up with it, I might not have finished to this point! Again thank you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:24, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Simeon Magruder Levy[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gertrud Arndt[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Martin Galling and Martin Lattke needs proofing! LOL Gertrud Arndt, almost Gerda Arendt!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:02, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Margaret Michaelis-Sachs[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Margaret Michaelis-Sachs at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Amandajm (talk) 09:00, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Nice to know ones efforts are appreciated. Palm_Dogg (talk) 21:16, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Something fishy[edit]

Hi Gerda-- I assume you are keeping tabs on the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music#WDR Rundfunkorchester Köln. Somehow it seems a little strange that both of these radio orchestras would have been established at exactly the same time, with such similar names. Do you suppose it would be possible to research their histories - for instance were they originally established as a single orchestra, and then later split? Do they have different repertoires, for different kinds of audiences, or are they pretty much in direct "competition" with each other? I think it might be useful to add a bit of discussion at both of these articles that would help point out the distinction, and to address their histories. At the least, it seems that a line in each of the discussions ought to say that the one is not to be confused with the other. Or am I misunderstanding the whole situation? Milkunderwood (talk) 22:15, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

They have different repertory, one serious (Sinfonie), the other one lighter, - the leading WDR was added to the names much later, - what do you mean by fishy? What do you mean by "different kinds of audiences" for a broadcaster? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, strike the "different kinds of audiences". Some people like to listen to "serious", and other people prefer "lighter". My point is simply that the two similarly-named orchestras is confusing to readers - especially to Englisch-sprechende readers unfamiliar with Kölnische ("Kölsch"?) orchestras; and that it would be helpful to explain, in the two articles, something of their histories dating back to their apparently simultaneous founding in 1947, as well as their current repertories or whatever. For instance, you say the leading WDR was added to both their names much later. I would never have guessed that from either article. I just think it's important to point out in each of the two articles (not just as a "See also") that there are two similarly-named orchestras, and how that came about. Is my point still not clear to you? Milkunderwood (talk) 23:03, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes and no. They don't have similar names, Sinfonie is only in one of them. It's "Kölner", not "Kölnische", btw ;) - Go ahead, be bold, clarify, what you think is missing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:10, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
But I don't have any information about either of them, whereas you seem to know a good deal about their histories, and the differences in their repertories, etc. (I knew what "Kölsch" is, btw.) I understand that if you look carefully at the names it's clear they are different organizations, but whereas a German would disregard the "WDR" and interpret the remainder of the name, an English-speaker would puzzle over the difference. Further, how did each happen to come into being at the same time, in 1947? One says it was started by the Allied occupation - was the other also? Why two separate orchestras at the same time? You also said the "WDR" was added to the names much later - when? I can't be "bold" with something I don't know anything about. I just think the apparently similar names and histories need to be explained and differentiated in both articles, with reference to each other. Otherwise people are scratching their heads and wondering "What the hell...?" Milkunderwood (talk) 20:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, I've tried to fix the two articles some, but more historical information would still be very helpful. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
(ec) Two different orchestras for two different fields of music (Rundfunk for "Leichte Muse"), first no WDR in the names, - that is what I know, no more, I would have to read also. Both orchestras have a German article, perhaps those help? Look at "my" discussions on Bach, Opera, infobox and moves: I don't have the time right now, sorry. Did you see how old my message is? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Oh, okay. In the meantime I've also added to the "See also" at WDR links to both of the Cologne orchestras. All this should help some. :-) Milkunderwood (talk) 22:56, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Helpful, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
The orchestra of Cologne is the Gürzenich Orchestra, and there's the orchestra of the Cologne Opera, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Based on this last, I've also edited Cologne#Culture to add these names. Milkunderwood (talk) 00:11, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
And also inquired at that talkpage about the official start of Cologne's Carnival being set every year for November 11 at 11:11 AM(!??) Talk about something being fishy! Milkunderwood (talk) 05:58, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by fishy. Carnival begins on 11 November, 11:11am, simple as that. Don't ask me for a source, I grew up with it. It's official events, in all newspapers. Later events also begin elevenish, for example 8:11pm. - Cologne culture: I don't know about the radio orchestra in the Philharmonie (building), they may share. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Carnival is usually a few days preceding the start of Lent. The only association I can make with 11 AM on November 11 is the Armistice ending World War I (which had nothing to do with whatever was happening in Cologne). How does anyone have a merry-making revel that lasts from early-mid-November through at least well into February if not into April? Is Cologne celebrating the Armistice? Has it always (or for a very long time, since before 1918) been set for that date and time, so that the occasion of the Armistice is purely coincidence? I suppose "fishy" here could just mean an extremely unlikely coincidence, supposedly but unbelievably with no connection whatever. It would be hard for me to believe the Armistice was timed for Cologne's Carnival - that would be a real eyebrow-raiser. Milkunderwood (talk) 08:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Okay, that paragraph isn't very well phrased. There are really two separate questions here. One is, why the "coincident" time of the Armistice? Cologne's Carnival would have been the last thing on the minds of Hindenburg or Foch, or their negotiators. The second question is, when is a "Carnival" not a carnival at all, since you are obviously not out dancing costumed in the streets etc from November until the start of Lent - so what does it mean to call that very long period of time a "Carnival" if there's no actual carnival going on? Neither of these makes the slightest bit of sense, unless Cologne actually is celebrating the 1918 Armistice - which seems awfully unlikely. (One sense of "fishy" is something like "This doesn't add up. What else is going on here, that's being left unsaid?") Milkunderwood (talk) 10:14, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
May be what carnival means to you is not what Karneval means in Germany. It's indoor events starting 11 November, 11:11, culminating in open air events the week before Ash Wednesday, Weiberfastnacht the Thursday before, parades Saturday - Sunday - Monday (the most famous ones) - Tuesday. Cologne has it on Monday, but Cologne is only one of many places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Ah - well, that makes more sense then. Thank you. I was thinking of Rio and New Orleans, for instance. Do you know how long ago the date was set for 11/11? Before or after 1918? Milkunderwood (talk) 22:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Symposiarch may know, he wrote Mainz carnival, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
That article answers the question - 11/11 long predates 1918, so it really is coincidence after all. Thank you for all your help. Milkunderwood (talk) 23:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


Gerda, you are too kind. (But I may be back to cause more trouble at DYK in the future ... )

On a different topic, I've almost decided to go to Germany in September to do a Bach tour. Perhaps closer to the time I'll give you list of the locations/buildings I've researched, for your comments.

Do you subscribe to the Bach Network UK? They send out an online open-access journal (of variable quality) several times a year. This came today.

Cheers Tony (talk) 06:56, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


Done, but can you start a new section when approaching with new requests, LOL it took me about a minute to find your post!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Will start a new one, but not for every single request, don't want to flood your talk. (condider to look at "last change") Did you know that it's Bach's birthday? (Old date, at least.) See also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Happy B'Day Bach! Yeah, well obviously not a new section for each post but if you start having to scroll back half a page then time to create a new section! I suppose anything about to 3 or 4 days would be fine, unless I have a 16 article DYk going through! Started Berthold Possemeyer.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Your friend[edit]

I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I hope you can find comfort in happy memories. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. - The funeral was yesterday, dear friends flew in from the US and are with us, - most important. There's always time for data, but not people, thanks for understanding that! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
ps: he participated in writing this, but died gently from a stroke. If I wrote an article (but I know to little about his scientific accomplishments) it would be the forth for a friend who died, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about this Gerda, who was it?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mass No. 1 (Schubert)[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Mass No. 1 (Schubert) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! SusanLesch (talk) 15:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Gerda, I appreciate the nominations of No 1 and No 3! The Deutsche Messe might have made a good DYK but it's a bit old now :) I've recently started All-Night Vigil (Tchaikovsky) and nominated it for DYK. Unfortunately the fascinating side-alley of Russian choral music has kept me from my Schubert plans, which include writing the list and rewriting the Mass No 2. All in good time, I guess. Russian choral music seems really under-covered here - just started choral concerto as well. ~ Riana 21:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, IMO the No 5 and No 6 articles are a bit more interesting than 1, 3 and 4! That could be because I just like the late masses better :) 5 and 6 definitely gave me a bit more to write about, though. ~ Riana 21:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I was going to nominate the other "Schuberts"s ;) - see above why it didn't happen so far. Yes, Deutsche Messe is "too old" but could be mentioned in another hook. Thanks for the Vigil! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for your loss. *hugs* Hope all is well.
I just self-nominated them, if you would like to review or suggest an alternative hook - take your time! ~ Riana 22:21, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Hugs feel good, thank you! (I don't feel hugged on Talk:Bach, also interrupted.) - I take my time and enjoy the presence of friends I don't see often, - DYK will not want 5 Schubert masses in one week anyway ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Butbutbut there's no such thing as too much Schubert! :P ~ Riana 22:30, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Of course not, but DYK doesn't like whatever topic too dominant (see above, "flowers"). Did you read TFA today? I prepared the side dishes, there's no such thing as too much He was despised and Hallelujah, improvements welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Margaret Michaelis-Sachs[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Max von Widnmann[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Max von Widnmann at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Brianhe (talk) 00:55, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Piano Concerto (Delius)[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm Back!!![edit]

Missed me?? If you don't even remember who I am, its The Wikimon... Returning from facing the infamous portal called 'exam 101'... So how's Wikipedia faring nowadays..?? Check out my edits and let me know if I'm on the right track and I need to learn some good codes and wikimarkup to get my user page, talk page and stuff up-to-date... See ya then! The Wikimon (talk) 14:22, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Good to know, - look above and see why I was also away, just in the process of catching up, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for sending me the sapphire for fighting with love! I really appreciate that and all your help with Josiah Gregg who finally made it to the front page of DYK last night! I learned so much during this DYK nomination; the last four were almost too easy, but they were for articles I wrote from nothing to finished. This one got in trouble I think because of the old editor having issues with some other editors ... fortunately all past now. I think I will go back to editing California State Senate districts, rearranging Commons photos, or something in the shadows for a while. I have a couple of other articles to start that are already in lists of museums and lists of historic buildings, but there is so little published secondary material about things in Humboldt County, California that it is difficult to get more than a stub. Again thank you for the award, it really cheered me up this morning! I thank you again for all your help with our troublesome explorer who may or may not have fallen from a horse (or a mule) before or after his demise. The "Mad River" was most appropriately named I think. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks ;) Do you know the photographer of the Yogo sapphire? He's working on Montana, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't know User:Montanabw yet, he seems like a very nice person! I am mostly working on far northwestern California which is that bump that sticks out in the Pacific Ocean because of the Mendocino Triple Junction. It is a very wild area with steep mountains and many rivers - much like the part of Montana that the sapphires are from, but of lower coastal elevation! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Two authors mainly worked on the sapphire (a great example of teamwork, look at the history), PumpkinSky took the photo - the model for my award. I think its not a secret that both are my friends ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thank you so much for the message of human support on my talk page and the beautiful precious stone you gave me there. A person's Infobox is a very common feature in most WP pages I know. It is almost a basic feature of historic person's pages on WP. I don't understant the opposition to it on the Handel page. It should be trivial IMO. In any case, thanks again. It is nice to start to follow the work of another awesome Wikpedian more closely. Keep up the great work you do here! warshytalk 18:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Talk:George Frideric Handel[edit]

Gerda, see my comment there. Please do not make proposals which misleadingly state that I "suggest" adding these types of infoboxes to composer articles. I do not. I merely considered a "mini-infobox" the lesser of two evils at Bach and I certainly do not suggest adding a box of any kind to Handel. I also think it very inappropriate for you to try to add extra weight to your arguments by describing me as "a leading voice of project opera". No one there is a "leading voice". Voceditenore (talk) 07:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I misunderstood. Which phrase would you use to describe what I think you know that I mean, the one who organises, takes care of questions, archives - you ARE the project for me. - We are not talking about "adding" a box to Handel, he has a box right now, a box for those who relate to Bach and Scarlatti. I speak for those who never heard Handel's name, and I don't think they should be sent to Simple English Wikipedia. (I like that you work there!.) - A friend died. - I wrote He was despised in 2011, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
You shouldn't use any phrase. It's inappropriate to try to add extra weight to your argument by singling out another editor as having some special "authority", even more so when you have mis-characterized their views. Proposals should be rejected or accepted on their own merits, not on the alleged status of any of the participants in the discussion. Voceditenore (talk) 07:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining. (I didn't mean to use a phrase again in a discussion, only to understand how to describe the great work you do for opera. I never meant "status", only description.) - Did you read the post above? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Please see also how an infobox can be turned into knowledge in other languages, for example a bird, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, I have read and examined the various claims made for infoboxes (numerous times), many of them highly exaggerated and misleading, especially the one you're using here. In the conversation you pointed to above, the editor said that the Swedish article on the Blue-winged Pitta was generated by robots using several databases, no doubt the same databases used to populate the infobox on English Wikipedia. I would add that neither Handel nor Bach are birds, and that Wikipedia articles already exist on them in nearly 100 languages and dialects. On the general subject, you might also find this alternative view interesting reading. Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, yes, I find it interesting, also this point of view. I was "converted" by a simple statement, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:27, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Berthold Possemeyer[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Berthold Possemeyer at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yunshui  10:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thought you deserve at least this much for all the help and support you gave me, right from my very first moment, oh and by the way I'm Back in action!!! Thanks once again for all Everything! The Wikimon (talk) 13:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, feels good! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

You don't seem too pleased to see me back... Anyways, Wikipedia servers must be working over time. I'm am unable to keep a page open for even a minute before reloading it. Nothing is opening quickly, links are slow and its pissing me off. Are you suffering from the same problem??? Its a real fist clenching anger!!! The Wikimon (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to disappoint you. Look at my talk: I rarely use an exclamation mark, you got one! Read further, I miss friends, dead or gone, I have arguments with people I respect ... - No, loading is normal, normally slow, that is. - I get ready for Good Friday, and hope for Easter (we celebrate Monday also), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


My bad regarding Washington Harbour, was about to change it back, but you beat me to it. Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk)

No problem, happy that we agree ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, we do agree. I simply "jumped the gun" because I prefer British spellings concerning issues dealing with the Commonwealth and American spellings when dealing with American ones. However, the development uses a British spelling. Should have checked that out first. Btw, we also agree on "Der fliegende Holländer" as being the proper title for that article. Sorry I missed out on that discussion. After a few months it needs to be revisited and be changed to "Der fliegende Holländer" (The Flying Dutchman), rather than the other way around. Best wishes. Dr. Dan (talk)
Thank you! Wagner's birthday is 22 May. Have a look if we also agree on at least a mini-infobox for Handel ;) (link above) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Some cookies![edit]

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Hi Gerda Arendt/Archive 2013, here are some delicious cookies to help brighten your day! However, there are too many cookies here for one person to eat all at once, so please share these cookies with at least two other editors by copying {{subst:Sharethecookies}} to their talk pages. Enjoy! The Wikimon (talk) 17:49, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

May I save them for Easter? No sweets during Lent ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Writers Barnstar Hires.png The Writer's Barnstar
This is for your continuing work on the Bach Cantatas, in particular Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22 which I just chose as this month's Christian art in the Icthus Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 01:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I feel honoured, and encouraged to tackle the St Matthew Passion and the Mass in B minor as long term goals, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


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Hello, Gerda Arendt. You have new messages at The Wikimon's talk page.
Message added 02:09, 29 March 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

My very first talkback. My reply on EE... The Wikimon (talk) 02:09, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

It worked nicely. Do it only if needed, please, I am watching where I post ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Martin Lattke[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


I've created {{Modest Mussorgsky}} and {{Aram Khachaturian}}. Given all the controversy surrounding my composer contributions, I am going to work elsewhere in the project where I am less likely to drain a lot of resources. Thanks for your encouragement and assistance.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 09:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to hear how frustrated you are, but look at "my" infoboxes, I sort of understand ;) - I think a good composer navbox + a short infobox would make a fine pair, but we will have to be patient, please don't give up to soon. (I predicted that a composer would have an infobox by 2020, - he has it now.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Moving away from composers, I just drafted a new batch: {{Salvadore Cammarano}}, {{Medea}} and {{Metastasio}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013[edit]

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April 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By Gilderien

Church of the month

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This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art


Complete recording

Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.


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The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By Gilderien

This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor.

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EdwardsBot (talk) 12:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

L'arpa festante on German Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Gerda, I saw you moved it on the German Wikipedia to de:L’arpa festante. I tried to change the capitalisation inside that article to lower-case "a", but it was reverted [7], something to do with the form of the apostrophe I used (I think), but is there also some reason to keep their name as "L'Arpa festante" with an "A" in the actual text of the article when it no longer matches the title? Voceditenore (talk) 13:30, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry that I went over all other articles but not their own ;) - I tried again to change there, also tried to change Wikidata, watching both, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi Gerda, I've put up EE for AfC. Just wanted you to know. Cheers... The Wikimon (talk) 18:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Great! Never used that, a new experience. - I just re-decorated above, did you see? (showing the church where we sang today) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mass No. 1 (Schubert)[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:02, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll do the church once Holzhausenschlösschen has been checked!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Lichtental Church, Mass No.3?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:38, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

WikiThanks.png Bit of a Schubertfest on the Main Page lately - No 6 is in DYK right now! Thanks for your support and encouragement :) ~ Riana 09:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Sheer pleasure! so was the sparrow, on the concert master's birthday, we sang a canon for her, a lovely Japanese woman, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Mark Passion[edit]

Enjoyed reading the page. Well done. I told you a long time before that I was far more taken with the Matthew than John passion; thats changed in the last year. Ceoil (talk) 17:14, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, it's on my mind to expand them, beyond St Matthew Passion structure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Easter music[edit]

Great choices! :) We did the Palestrina Sicut cervus too, and K. 194, and... a bunch of Anglican stuff that I don't remember :P ~ Riana 06:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I am so grateful to my conductors! We (my first infobox!) will sing the Sparrow Mass in less than two hours in rehearsal (the only one with the orchestra), one hour later in the service. The others were last night, + smaller works. Happy Easter, to everyone reading this! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Happy Easter
"Kommt, eilet und laufet". Frohe Ostern, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
thanks for coming! (to another article with an infobox) - to you, too!

DYK for St. Peter und Paul, Weimar[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

IP block exempt[edit]

I have granted your account an exemption from IP blocking. This will allow you to edit through full blocks affecting your IP address when you are logged in.

Please read the page Wikipedia:IP block exemption carefully, especially the section on IP block exemption conditions.

Note in particular that you are not permitted to use this newly-granted right to edit Wikipedia via anonymous proxies, or disruptively. If you do, or there is a serious concern of abuse, then the right may be removed by any administrator.

Appropriate usage and compliance with the policy may be checked periodically, due to the nature of block exemption, and block exemption will be removed when no longer needed (for example, when the block it is related to expires).

I hope this will enhance your editing, and allow you to edit successfully and without disruption. Dianna (talk) 15:31, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

ANI Notice[edit]

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Jusdafax 05:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Your first, my first, responded ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
When articles for individual performers, individual works, and even individual albums, can all have an infobox, I am still quite amazed that the article for a composer (and musician) as monumental as J. S. Bach should not be deemed worthy of an infobox. Is the argument that they "all look just the same"? Or is it just that he's so imporatnt that he transcends such mundane trivia? Regards, Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
It's not Bach, it's an almost religious belief that "boxing" people is trivialising them, since 2005, look. I am sad that several good editors lost patience, last GFHandel, you know who before, - but my first barnstar was for resilience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jörg Faerber[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt User Education Programme Request (Official)[edit]

OK I'll bite, having read about the Sparrow Mass - whom do you rate for Mozart Mass performances? I'm kind of tempted by a Concentus Musicus Wien set (a billion hours of music for thirty quid; update: holy moley, just £25 on Amazon!!), but only from my usual position of profound ignorance, whereas a recommendation from a knowledgeable friend would be most welcome. :) (Stalkers, this means you too...) Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Believe me or not, I sang several of his masses, Sparrow just now for Easter, but never listened to a recording. Harnoncourt is certainly fine, being a distant relative ;) - Before becoming that, his opening of the Mass in B minor (on radio) changed my world, - one of few moments in my life I remember vividly, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I am delighted that you endorse my choice - which is downloading as I write! I can't wait to get stuck into this. :) Yes ... I remember playing in the B Minor Mass for the first time - not so much the flashy bits (which are also wonderful, yes) but the Gratias Agimus Tibi (and its close friend the DNP) which absolutely blew my socks off - I was about 15 or something and I don't think I knew that trumpet music could sound like that. Cheers! DBaK (talk) 13:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Another of those unforgettable moments: singing that Dona nobis pacem in Bedford on the day before the ultimatum on the Iraq war, 16 March 2003, with a drummer playing to be heard in Washington DC, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Powerful stuff!! DBaK (talk) 14:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Norse history and culture[edit]

Very belated thanks for your kind words on my talk page here. I rarely edit anymore so I did not see your message when you posted it. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for coming over. We keep a sad list of some missed users, I am always happy to notice little signs of life ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mass No. 4 (Schubert)[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mass No. 3 (Schubert)[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

The whole "infoboxes for classical music composers and works" thing[edit]

Καλό Πάσχα, Gerda!
I do think articles for composers and their works should have infoboxes. That said, I am saddened by what is going on here. Listening to Glenn Gould's 1981 recording of the Goldberg Variations right now, and wishing the whole mess hadn't happened. Ma è la via del mondo. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I was told it went on since 2005, - at least it was told well: Did you know that L'infobox infernale (The Hellish Infobox), an opera semiseria in 25 acts, is the longest running opera ever staged on Wikipedia? - A look at the proposed {{Infobox opera}}, especially its sample, is a good way to cheer up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
The infobox saga seems more like a soap opera some days! LOL!  ;-) Montanabw(talk) 16:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Matthias Eisenberg[edit]

Started.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! - in the process of getting the Schubertkirche ready for DYK, more refs welcome, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
First round of translation done, please find sources, the only one from de is dead, good luck ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Miss Calypso[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:32, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


I'm not quite sure I'm understanding this: "The Holzhausen family, one of the most important families of the free imperial city Frankfurt from 1245 ...". Is that saying that in 1245, for whatever reason, the Holzhausen family joined the ranks of Frankfurt's most important families? Or is it saying that Frankfurt became a free imperial city in 1245? It's the mention of that very specific year that's puzzling; in 1245 something happened that resulted in the Holzhausen family becoming one of the most important in Frankfurt? Malleus Fatuorum 10:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

We should probably untangle an overly long sentence. The source says "Von 1245-1923 gehörte sie zu den angesehensten Familien Frankfurts.", [the family] belonged to the most respected (?) families of Frankfurt. Frankfurt was a Freie Reichsstadt (without nobility) before. The fact about the builder trying to imitate the lifestyle of nobility is - unfortunately - in none of the online sources, the de-author will have gotten it from one of the books. The year doesn't have to be mentioned if the period can be described well. - Thanks for looking, I am uneasy about architecture terms! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I can hardly tell my corbels from my corbusier, so I'm just as uneasy as you are about architectural terms. Malleus Fatuorum 11:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Nicely put. I am not sure about garbed roofs and such. Should I ask Giano, although it seems not palacy enough, compared to his? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
It's well worth asking Giano, I've always found him to be very helpful. I'm not at all sure about that Mansard roof for instance, doesn't look like what I'd call a Mansard roof ... Malleus Fatuorum 12:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
One needs a long course in architecture to understand half the articles with architectural references on here. The average Listed Building articles is written in gobbledygook.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Only semi-gobbledygook. It's the maths articles that make full use of gobbledygook. Malleus Fatuorum 12:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
True.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I just learned the term here, with a link! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

If everyone followed your example this would be a much finer community, and we wouldn't have the problem with editor retention we do. But anyway -- just wanted to say thanks. Please continue! Antandrus (talk) 14:20, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, blushing again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

A favour...[edit]

So can you please help improve EE??? Is there something I can do??? The Wikimon (talk) 14:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Leaving just now, later, - please ask people who know business if you haven't done so, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Back - I looked, it's a good review, go ahead and deal with the points raised, interact with the reviewer, - promising! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


Regarding this: it could be so simple, if that were all there was to it. Is that a deal you'd like to make? Nikkimaria (talk) 15:34, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Are there deals in cloud cuckoo land? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Better than deals in the great dismal swamp. You want it simple, it can be simple for you. Your choice. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Great and dismal peace music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Peace can't be had from one side only, Gerda. Please stop. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Stop what? Loving Bach? Trying to understand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
You can love whatever you like, but you're pushing too hard - others don't have to feel as you do. You're not in "cloud cuckoo land", you understand more than that. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Sorry if pushing is perceived where I am passionate, pushing is not intended, passion can't be stopped ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
  • pot-kettle? .. IJS ladies. :) — Ched :  ?  10:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Nunc dimittis[edit]

Thank you for the kind message, miser Catulle. I am still here from time to time, but I am busier in real life than I was. Moonraker (talk) 00:33, 6 April 2013 (UTC)


Thank you for your note; I will try to clarify. My meaning was that infoboxes often do more harm than good, so the article is better without one. There are many ways that an infobox may oversimplify biographical details and mislead readers, as described by myself and several other editors on the Bach talk page. The Michelangelo infobox you asked me about is a good example: a reader learns little, and may be badly confused and misinformed. Here is a list of everything that is in the infobox:

The name of the article (useless repetition, because the reader already knows this)
An image (good, but an image does not need an infobox)
Birth name (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)
Date of birth (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)
Place of birth (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence below the TOC)
Date of death (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)
Place of death (not in the lede, but easy to find; I took a guess and clicked section 1.6 in the TOC "Last works in Rome" and there it was. I think learning how to use a TOC is a useful skill which should be encouraged, and if necessary we could make it even easier for readers by creating section 16.1 "Death")
Field (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)
Training (not very helpful, and misleading; the reader cannot know whether Ghirlandaio trained Michelangelo in sculpture, poetry, architecture, painting (or all of these) without reading the article, and the reader needs to read the article to know that Michelangelo studied sculpture under Bertoldo di Giovanni)
Movement (useless repetition, because Italian Renaissance and Renaissance man are in the first 2 sentences of the lede, and High Renaissance is in the last sentence of the lede)
Works (misleading; four works are listed; the reader who reads the infobox and not the lede may think Michelangelo produced only four works. One of the four works (The Creation of Adam) is actually part of another one (Sistine Chapel Ceiling), but the infobox makes it appear that they are separate.)

I will not repeat this time-consuming exercise for the Kafka infobox, but I hope this makes my objections more clear. It saddens me to think that "some readers will read the infobox only", although I believe you are correct in this statement. It is a good reason not to put an infobox in an article, because the reader who spends 20 seconds to read the first few sentences of the article will be so much better informed than the unfortunate person who looks at the infobox and imagines that the key facts are there. I think that an image with a caption, as now appears at the top of the Bach article, is best, so no need for any infobox.

I looked at the first category of biographical articles at Wikipedia:Featured articles and the numbers are 21 with infoboxes, 10 without, which proves there is no need to add one to every article. To me, it proves that a well-written article can meet the test for Featured Article status even when it is marred by an infobox! More seriously, I have already stated on the Bach talk page that I think infoboxes are somewhat helpful for certain biographies—especially athletes, where statistics are important and not much else is important. We need to know a runner's fastest times, and an infobox can supply these efficiently; we are not so interested in their philosophical beliefs, marriages, most important works, etc. I think most articles about athletes have infoboxes—although a moment ago I selected a random article about a runner to look at an infobox, and picked Arne Andersson because he's at the front of the alphabet, and you see that he does not have one. And still the important information is easy to find, right there in the lede where it belongs, and the article (which already has a succession box) looks better without a second box to crowd the text. Besides athletes, I think infoboxes are suitable for most politicians and some criminals (perhaps partly because the resemblance to a booking photograph appeals to me)... Surprisingly, some competitive activities where one would think infoboxes would be useful, like chess, are not very suitable to infobox presentation. For examples of how little an infobox adds that is not already in the lede, see José Raúl Capablanca and Tigran Petrosian.

Editors appear to be leaving Wikipedia because of this rather silly battle. Even your politely-worded suggestion on a talk page ignited a long and rancorous argument among many editors, and of course there was no consensus, so this was not a good use of anybody's time. I do not plan to initiate a campaign to remove the infobox from the Michelangelo article, even though I believe that this would be an improvement. There are better ways to improve Wikipedia. Ewulp (talk) 02:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed thoughts. Whatever you say about repetition does not reflect that an infobox should NOT add content, only structure it, to my understanding. No box can do justice to artistic creativity, but the same is true for any words. (I said so on Bach.) I was asked above to stop. Stop ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

PumpkinSky Prize[edit]

Thanks. Why 5 October 2010? Currently I am not very active (sometimes 100 edits in one moth). Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

You were named Awesome Wikipedian first that day (look at the link), then 6 April 2012 ;) - I look for more than a moment, some haven't contributed for a long time, but left something precious in the past, and so many different things, it's amazing - and a good reason not to give up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Such a wonderful editor, all of those Codex articles are superb!! Miss you being as active Janczuk.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey Les!! Nice to see you. Hope all is well in RL. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:06, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Started Karlheinz Oswald.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Max von Widnmann[edit]

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Orchestral Suites (Bach)[edit]

The article describes the 4 suites as a set, which is supported by the consecutive opus numbers. Further, Orchestral Suites is in title case, both in the article's title and in the first line of the lead. If Orchestral Suites were not the title of the set (i.e., if the term was merely descriptive), the article's title would be Orchestral suites (Bach) and the first mention would be orchestral suites (all lower case). Since Orchestral Suites is used as a title, the scope of the collection dictates italic rather than quotation marks.—Finell 01:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

We talk about Bach's orchestral suites, summarized in the title, but four separate pieces. In a concert, you will typically hear one, there's no "title" of the four together. Not even the "title" of a single suite is by Bach. I would indeed prefer Orchestral suites (Bach), like Piano sonatas (Beethoven). (Quotation marks?) I will copy this to the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:59, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Retention and return team Soliloquies[edit]

I just saw you congratulate Khazar. Which made me realize you may be the perfect person to ask for assistence. Just this morning I started a Page. Its just an idea I had in hopes of slowing down the number of retirees. If you know of some soliloques I could cut.n.paste and collect at that page, I would appreciate it. Ive coined a phrase that I love to share with the EotW recepients. It descibes you to a tea.....You are the Heartbeat of Wikipedia. Thanks for all you do for the Wikipedia Community. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:02, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

You can use an equisite one by that exact Khazar, should appear on top of my user talk archive 2011, was July 2011 (here) when BarkingMoon also left without saying more than Good riddance. - Fastily comes to mind, also try missed users, with the recent GFHandel which hurts a lot (he left after speaking for me, DYK?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi Gerda. Thanks for the kind thoughts. Over the past few days, I've been finding out that, like many things, editing Wikipedia requires constant practice. We (ok, mostly you) created a lot of composer articles for the Munich Biennale, and now I have to work hard to remember everything that needs done. Let's see how I get on with creating Nikolay Strelnikov ... Scarabocchio (talk) 22:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! Content, content, content - don't like ANI, - der Himmel lacht --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks......[edit]

....for your kind words as well as the "Award", received with thanks.

I certainly enjoy your daily updates on the DYK section of the WP Opera page. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Santa Fe, where we have a little opera company that has survived for 57 years or so.....Viva-Verdi (talk) 00:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Gerda, thank you for the beauty you left on my page and the kind comments. I do love blue stones more than any other. And thank you for spreading kindness on Wikipedia. Some days its really needed.(Somehow I missed your post on may page until now.)(olive (talk) 03:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC))


Thanks for the Award you left on my talk page. I greatly appreciate it. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 04:17, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Gabriel (composer)[edit]

Voila.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 08:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

thank you, see also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Der Herr ist mein getreuer Hirt, BWV 112[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Holzhausenschlösschen[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Elizabeth Llewellyn[edit]

Thought you might be interested in this blossoming opera soprano. I have seldom seen so many enthusiastic reviews. Pity she hasn't yet moved beyond the ENO.--Ipigott (talk) 11:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I am, thank you! Please say something about her art in the lead, not only success;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
"Gesagt, gemacht" (as one of my Austrian bridge partners used to say)!--Ipigott (talk) 15:40, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
whereas we say "gesagt, getan". Can I interest you in Karlheinz Oswald, still showing remnants of translation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi. Sorry about the movement list. I took the designations from the PDF that comes with the Bachacademie CDs, but you're right, just listing them as versus is less misleading. Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 19:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I like your help a lot! - BWV 4 was one I expanded, and didn't notice until now that the voice parts were missing in the structure. I would abbreviate them, as Dürr does, but the discussion (2010?) in Classical music was against it. - Working on BWV 103, also an expansion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Template:Bullying[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Bullying#This reversion. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, not my music, it's BWV 103 right now, for an absent friend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh that's all right. I really hate to see good editors (such as myself, having done 10 good articles and over 10 featured articles) leave the project. My music is And did those feet in ancient times, also for Dreadstar. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
See impact, if you can (and I thought I could archive it) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
speaking of impact, see also: balls or "Pumpkin in the sky with diamonds", 18 April 2012, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. You're such a sweetheart. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:12, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
By the way, is it possible to work on the Frederic Chopin article or the Benjamin Britten article? And before I go, do note that I have an exceptionally low tolerance for uncalled for disrespect over trivial matters or being involved in any dispute. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I have the beloved composers on my watchlist, guess I need a translation for your tolerance issue ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't know, having been involved with the project over 6 years, over 50,000 edits and have had at least a few successful GANs (without all of the Wiki-drama) and at least 6 successful FA nominations but guess what: it seems that Dreadstar is back! Meanwhile, I am working on Benjamin Britten in my sandbox. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I am happy that Dreadstar cut his "vacation" short ;) - I still don't know what you mean by "exceptionally low tolerance for uncalled for disrespect over trivial matters or being involved in any dispute", regarding me. I am in several disputes, see Classical music or Bach ;) - A piece by Britten is on the to do list on my user, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lichtental Church[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Karlheinz Oswald[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Karlheinz Oswald[edit]

"Germany" did not exist in 1958; the country where Worms was located was called West Germany. GiantSnowman 11:45, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Germany didn't exist when I was born, I would still simply say Germany, unless it needs to be specified. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
"Germany didn't exist when I was born" has no bearing on the matter. When Oswald was born, the name of the country was "West Germany." Saying "Germany" is factually incorrect, it's like saying Julius Caesar was Italian. GiantSnowman 12:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
You example doesn't fit. Italy wasn't split then re-united. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Er yes it was. GiantSnowman 12:47, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Did I have to be specific about Caesar's time, which was your example? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
You argue for the country of birth in an infobox. Then please add the country of birth, not its common name for it. "West Germany" is no country. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
You said, and I quote, "Italy wasn't split then re-united." It was. 0% of your statement was true. Oh, and West Germany clearly was a country. I am seriously baffled by your attitude here. GiantSnowman 13:01, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I read the article on West Germany, it says it's the common name for the "Federal Rebublic ..." - how can you say it's a country? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I looked again, don't find "West Germany" in the infobox of that article, - why should t be in others? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. You've been here long enough to know that by now - are you simply trolling, or are you genuinely that ignorant? GiantSnowman 13:16, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Call me ignorant when I am learning ;) - Music has no nationality, project Classical music doesn't like infoboxes, I am new to the topic. - I still believe that a major city with a link doesn't need any country attached, but will find out elsewhere, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Aha, explains a lot :) - there is MOS out there on it, I am about to log of for an hour or so but will have a look when I am back. GiantSnowman 13:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
  • FWIW from an American perspective - in the late 50s and into the 60s when I was growing up, we didn't consider it two "separate" countries so much as one "divided" country. I suppose in some ways Korea would be a more similar situation, although there's differences there as well. — Ched :  ?  12:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Gerda a troll? GiantSnowman I'm afraid you've been out in the sun too long causing melting. Go refrigerate yourself.. Should we begin to change all of the categories, Werner Herzog is an East German film director?? ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, you're drifting away from the discussion and into personal attacks, a sure sign that you have run out of arguments. Germany was whole, then it was divided, now it's whole again. End of story. Don't invoke India & Pakistan, that's an entirely different situation as well. Move on. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 13:48, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Do you have real doctorate Doctor Joe like myself? Imposter you. Giant Snowman is well aware of my ongoing "go melt" joke when things come to a head and knows it is intended in a light-hearted fashion, and we are on good terms, even if we don't always see eye to eye on some things. The irony is that you have a humour template on your user page Dr. Joe and unintentionally have just acted like the very "serious" wikipedians you're talking the mickey out of!! To be politically correct, West Germany yes, but most people refer to it as Germany as the Soviet Union they refer to as Russia. Sources added Gerda as required.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I was referring to Snowman calling Gerda a troll, and understood your attempt at levity. Apologies for interfering in your fun; I like humor as much as the next guy, but silly me, I thought we were trying to write an encyclopedia here. "Are you simply trolling, or are you genuinely that ignorant?" is an ad hominem, not funny -- and not, I suspect, an attempt at being funny -- and not constructive in the context of a supposedly academic discussion. Congratulations on your doctorate. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 14:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Saying West Germany was not a country - what else can it be, other than trolling or ignorance? GiantSnowman 14:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
You are entitled to your opinion that she is ignorant; but telling her so is neither going to decrease her alleged ignorance nor improve your ability to communicate with her. Read WP:CIVIL. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 15:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Being ignorant of something is not necessarily a bad thing - and I am ignorant about far too much. Gerda above even says "Call me ignorant when I am learning ;)" The only one who has been offended here is you, maybe that tells you something? GiantSnowman 15:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
It tells me that Gerda deflects ad hominems very skillfully, and that you haven't learned anything about civil conduct around here, but that's okay. I was just hoping to direct traffic back to the topic, since we're supposed to be writing an encyclopedia, not calling each other names. But I see that I've accomplished the opposite of what I intended and you're even further off topic, so my apologies, I should not have butted in. Forget that I was ever here. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 15:59, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
You have taken us off topic; I am very much on topic. Look at the diff of the edit just before yours - it's little old me, pointing to MOS that supports my view. I'm also the only one to have commented on the article talk page - funny that. GiantSnowman 16:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
smile, doctores ;) - look who is addressed where, and don't confuse the above about Karlheinz Oswald, still on the Main page, with Matthias Eisenberg, neglected over this ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, don't worry Doktor, I haven't actually melted - British spring is very disappointing this year ;) GiantSnowman 14:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
It might help GiantSnowman's understanding of history to ponder why the article West Germany doesn't have an interwiki link to a corresponding article on the German Wikipedia. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
It might help Michael Bednarek's understanding of Wikipedia to ponder that we are talking about the English Wikipedia, not the German Wikipedia. GiantSnowman 14:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Yeah still chilly times this April, should keep you nice and solid LOL. I thought you were brandishing the civility stick fellow Dr., apologies for questioning your sense of humour. Well, we do use West German and East German films as categories but I don't think I've seen it applied to articles on actors. You do see it for athletes though. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
It's on 99% of footballer articles - and ideally the other 1% are just wrong ;) GiantSnowman 15:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
It makes sort of (political) sense, because they performed for one or the other political part. For this artist, I still think it makes no sense to speak of the politics at the time of his birth which didn't influence his work. KISS, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
MOS - "Many place names have a historical context that should be preserved." GiantSnowman 15:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Worms had many places in history. What would "West" add to "Germany" in this case, for the reader? "West" is a point of view, if you ask me, there is no "West" in "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" or its translation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
The official name might have been "Bundesrepublik Deutschland", the English-[{WP:COMMONNAME]] (which is what we use on Wikipedia!) is "West Germany". In 1958, no country called "Germany" - or, some would argue, two did. Therefore having "West Germany" over "Germany" is factually accurate, is it not? GiantSnowman 16:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
No answer to the question: how does "West" help the reader? I would think that a simple "Germany" is even more "common". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
The article doesn't say that he was born in Germany, it says that he is German. Is there some doubt about that in your mind GiantSnowman? Malleus Fatuorum 17:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, you're talking about the infobox. Those damn things are far more trouble than they're worth. Malleus Fatuorum 17:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
It is factually inaccurate to say plain ol' "Germany" - that is harming the reader by giving out false information. GiantSnowman 17:26, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
My POV: "West Germany" is not accurate, "Germany" is not, - let's keep it simple: Germany. No more here, please, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Fine then - to WP:DR we go. You've contradicted yourself btw. GiantSnowman 17:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
You have a curious understanding of the meaning of the word "harm" GiantSnowman, and apparently too much time on your hands if you're so animated about Germany/West Germany. It isn't "false information" to say that Worms is in Germany, but rather than have another of these interminable arguments about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin why don't we just say "Worms, Federal Republic of Germany" in the infobox? Or better still, get rid of the infobox? Malleus Fatuorum 17:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
A perfectly reasonable compromise - though of course the article on the "Federal Republic of Germany" is... West Germany! GiantSnowman 17:45, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Only because that was the name we used in the West, not because it was the official name of the country. Malleus Fatuorum 17:51, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Blame WP:COMMONNAME, not me. GiantSnowman 18:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
It would not be the first time that I blame common name, it's sometimes all too common. Talking a bit of logic: is there any doubt that "West Germany" still is "Germany". We want to know where a place is, right, not politics at birth. They might be interesting for someone whose biography was shaped by east-west-conflict, not this one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, Gerda, Gerda, this an argument that rages all over Wikipedia, even at the level of English counties. Was L. S. Lowry born in Lancashire or Greater Manchester for instance? The only thing you can do is to go with what the area was called at the time of the subject's birth. In Lowry's case Lancashire, even though Stretford is now in Greater Manchester. Malleus Fatuorum 19:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
MF - my precise argument. We must represent the historical birth place. That is determined by MOS and common sense. GiantSnowman 19:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
(ec) I have some talent to hit the raging arguments (Moonlight Sonata, Infobox, Der fliegende Holländer) ;) - thanks for your compromise, I can live with that. - It's a bit tricky for me to accept that West Germany seems to mean more here than a geographical term, - and for a political term it's just not precise enough. If some day I feel there is too little torture in this place I will start a move request, DYK? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
This has got to be the lamest discussion I've seen in at least the last two days (wikipedia being full of lame discussions). He was born in Worms, which today is in Germany. No one disputes where he was born. Just link to the city and be done with it. Montanabw(talk) 19:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
bzzt: that's where we started, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── "bzzt"? ... Ahhh ...the memories that come to mind. :) — Ched :  ?  20:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

"you are strongly requested not to use uncollegial shorthand such as "bzzt" ... as edit summaries" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Started Heinz Hemrich.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:11, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Zeichenstaub[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Darmstädter Sezession.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103[edit]

Gerda, I just took at look at this when I saw it in Prep 2 and realized there was something not quite right grammatically. I did make a change, but I discovered that PumpkinSky's review and promotion all in one (which really should not be done) was incomplete: this is not quite a 5x expansion. It's close—1004 prose characters before to 4893 after—so that if you'll add another 127 characters today to get it to the magic 5020 it will be set and we can leave it where it is so it can run on April 22 (not a Sunday, but the anniversary date). BlueMoonset (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I will expand a bit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
done --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
See the edit summary. It was time sensitive. IAR.PumpkinSky talk 20:00, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I expanded it by teh rulez in time. Will have to understand some day why a new 1,5k article is good enough for DYK but +4k is not, only because there was a stub that was barely useful to start with, not much of it remained, - next will be GA, after all the expnsion ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Gerda. It looks great. Best of luck at GAN! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for your kind note on my talk page, most unexpected. It's great to receive feedback from others - it helps to remind us that this is a collaborative effort, even if it doesn't feel like it sometimes! I am sure your initiative has helped to retain numerous editors and you should be commended for your continuing good work in this field. Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 17:33, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Martin Krumbiegel.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:45, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Vilde Frang, thanks!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again, but before the next one, please source the former ;) No interwiki links please, add to Wikidata. Vilde Frang played the concerto by Sibelius in the Tonhalle, and just the other day she was on radio with Korngold, live from Philharmonie (Cologne)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

If I have to fiddle about with wikidata there might not be a next one..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, I'll do Wikidata, you just leave the "translated" template on the talk. That needs to be there anyway, while it's an extra step to remove the old-fashioned link ;) (fiddle was a nice wording for a violinist!) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Stating translated from German wikipedia in the edit summary is OK for attribution, but yes articles should really have translation templates in the talk pages.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:46, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
I added them to all articles we recently did - a lot! (Edit summary is only for insiders.) - I added the Wikidata for her to eight or so other languages, it's as easy as going to Wikidata, enter the article title in the search function, find a record, and add the new language, just "en" and the title, eeeeasy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Go ahead, source "her", need to go, - there are plenty of prizes, recordings and sources (I added 2 to ext links), - great DYK potential! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Berthold Possemeyer[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Und Gerda hat ein ander! PumpkinSky talk 02:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)


I have opened up a program similar to the one you are operating at User:AutomaticStrikeout/Golden Editor. I seem to recall you expressing support for my possibly doing so in the past, but I figured I should leave a note here anyway. AutomaticStrikeout (TCSign AAPT) 02:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Best news is that I can move you on our sad list (again)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
No problem. I appreciate the work you do and look forward to working along side you now. AutomaticStrikeout (TCSign AAPT) 15:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
I like yours! In your introduction, you may mention that it wasn't my idea, I copied Rlevse, he continued Phaedriel, others did it also ... - or just link to User:Gerda Arendt/PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
I have made a small change to reflect that. AutomaticStrikeout (TCSign AAPT) 15:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


Spending a few days away from wikipedia it is easy to lose track of what is going on. I've set up a base for myself, Rosie and Nvv to organize our work from at Wikipedia:Rosblofnari. I hope you don't mind but I've added a section for yourself to list articles which have been expanded. I just think its a better way of organizing our collaborations without having to notify everybody and dig through talk pages. If you'd rather me just let you know on your talk page let me know, but I'd be grateful if you could use the page to list the DYKs on so I know what you've nominated and can keep track of it, and you can also list articles there between us which (needs more sources), I just think it's best overall to keep track of it. If you put it on your watchlist you can view ones I've translated needing proofing etc♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, a list of "my" articles, most of them with you, is on my user (following the example of BarkingMoon), - feel free to copy parts of it to your place. I try to keep the list up to date, also try to list DYK noms on the articles' talk, I try ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
In the list, "nom" means nominated for DYK, "DYK" means approved, a link there takes you to the archive, and a date without link means it was mentioned with a bolded article that date, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
I will from now on mention red links I would like to turn blue there, not on your talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, OK, but naturally we'll still chat and I'll alert you here of translations!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

St. Lamberti, HildesheimDr. ☠ Blofeld 12:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

thank you!, will nominate that, Krumbiegel and Frang. If you want Darmstadt Sezession, do it, not much missing, but I don't have the time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Matthias Eisenberg[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Matthias Eisenberg at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 10:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't really belong to Template:Did you know nominations/Matthias Eisenberg: I may have a language problem. It is unusual that a Protestant Church musician and a Jewish Israeli (mostly) Klezmer clarinetist play together, because their culture is different and their approach to music is different. Why do you think of hate? I think of peace. I heard them, that concert and others - they succeed making a statement for peace! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Let me be clear on this: I'm not accusing you of racism or antisemitism! My problem was that the particular Eisenberg hook could be seen as accusing Germany or Israel of racism. By claiming it's unusual for a German and an Israeli to perform together, you could be seen to be implying that Germans and Israelis normally try to avoid each other like the plague. —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 15:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
But I didn't. I said it's unusual for a Protestant German church musician and a Jewish Israeli Klezmer clarinetist to play together, for difference of culture. To see that reduced to anything about race, is beyond my understanding. Protestant and Jewish are terms of religion not race, German and Israeli are nationalities not race. - Next time: I watch my nominations, no need for a "problem" template here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Look, I'm sorry if I offended you yesterday, because that was never the point of it all. All I was trying to do was keeping the main page clear of implied accusations. I follow WP:AGF and have never for a second doubted your good intentions. —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 10:03, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Look, you didn't offend me. I just wasn't happy to see your "implied accusations" (that I still can't quite follow) worded so strongly. - I like to make known (DYK) that musicians play together, wherever they come from. - I will not avoid you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Adrian Boult[edit]

Thank you for that link, Gerda. I was also pleased to see my beloved Arthur Sullivan at the top of the list. Tim riley (talk) 17:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I hope you not too disappointed to realise that the list is by year of birth ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes no is the best answer.[edit]

I saw your question to user:The Interior. I am happy to tell you that no is the answer.[8] I had noticed this edit in relative real time and was very quick to respond.[9] I started to email you and ask that you post a message; actually writing the email. But I didn't send it because I didn't want to orchestrate sincerity. I am so very glad to see that you arrived on your own, and even more delighted to see that you had already made a day precious in this user's name; for clearly they are. Just as you are still awesome. My76Strat (talk) 08:51, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

good news, yes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


Crisco 1492 in I Edit Wikipedia Shirt.jpg Love the shirt!
Just got the shirt through the Merchandise Giveaway Programme. Thanks for your vote of confidence!  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Becoming! (Much better than "Mourning becomes ...") --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Ulrich, Vienna[edit]

Gerda, I just noticed that this article is lacking inline source citations for the Location section and for the paragraph/sentence on the organ. Can you please supply them? It seems silly for it to be pulled back from the queue as long as the fixes can be made in short order. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

can't the website be the source for the location? who else would know, all other sources can only take it from there? - I need to go for several hours now. If there's no other help, please comment it out. perhaps ask Dr. Blofeld, I more or less only copy-edited, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, if we comment out that much information, the article doesn't qualify for minimum length. Doing a quick Google translate of the church's webpage in that citation, I don't see any material that covers the location wording. I don't have time myself to search through the various church web pages, translating as I go. As it's your nomination, I'll let you take it from here when you get back, whether that involves find the right source pages or asking Dr. Blofeld. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
I did what I could, would appreciate a bit of AGF to the German Wikipedia for what is still missing. - The source will be in the literature, but I don't have it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, that's great. Everything's set. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Cornflower Blue Sapphire[edit]

Thank you noticing my work. DavidinNJ (talk) 12:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

not easy to overlook it, on top of the Main page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Ulrich, Vienna[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Looks good! Started Spandauer Kirchenmusikschule.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:25, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

thank you, several more red links;) - Looks: I thought St. Severin, Keitum looked good with a little infobox that tells you "Lutheran" simply by colour. Sure, it could be expanded, I only said "start" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
would this be usable as a source? - infobox returned, please feel free to add to it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I think it's a mirror source.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

It's called a Taschenbuch (pocket book), looks like more than a mirror, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Gabriel (composer)[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)[edit]

Hi, I thought I would drop you a note to say that I mentioned in this month's issue of Ichthus. If you wish to receive the full content in future, please drop me a note on my talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

First ever Wiki Angel Award[edit]

Christmas-Angel-Decoration.jpg The Wiki Angel Award
Gerda, es macht mich glücklich, dir den ersten Wiki Angel Award geben. Du bist ein true Wiki Angel und feine Dame.PumpkinSky talk 18:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
  • This is awesome ... wish I would have thought of it. :) — Ched :  ?  18:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you!!! (blushing again, see above) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

It means a lot to me. StAnselm (talk) 07:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi Gerda, thank you for the lovely sapphire and awesome Wikipedian award. I really do appreciate it. It is nice to have one's efforts noticed. Keep up the good work on improving our coverage of Bach, buildings and musical people (including Vilde!). Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I heard her playing Sibelius in the Tonhalle, a revelation! - was tempted to ask DYK ... that Norwegian violinist VF played the concerto by Finnish JS in the Swiss Tonhalle with a German orchestra conducted by their Japanese-American chief conductor? - Just today I translated to German a professor who teaches in Switzerland and Norway. You could probably translate that, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Translate Bernhard M. Hämmerli? To Norwegian? Manxruler (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
If you like - a stub will do - I took the picture ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Nice picture. I'm afraid I never do any work over at Norwegian Wikipedia, so sorry about that. Manxruler (talk) 21:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
no problem - I do very little in German myself, they have too many rulez ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Good, good. On my part, I find the Norwegian Wiki to be a bit lacking in rules, or even a critical attitude to information. :) Manxruler (talk) 22:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Can you explain the difference between no and nn? It was nn to present all Bach cantatas first, then fr, now en (but some are stubs), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Sure. I'll try and explain the difference, to the best of my ability. Here we go.
Norway has two official written versions of Norwegian, bokmål (no) and nynorsk (nn). Bokmål translates pretty much to "book tongue" and nynorsk to "new Norwegian". With Old Norse disappearing in late Medieval times (mostly due to the Plague killing off many literate people), Danish eventually took over (Norway being in an uneven personal union with Denmark). Over time, all written language used by Norwegian was Danish, and people spoke various dialects with varying influence by Danish. That why we can't really communicate very well with the Icelanders or Faroese people in their own language (they're the people who are closest linguistically to Old Norse today). Up until the 1880s there was no point in printing separate Riksmaal (today's bokmål) dictionaries, seeing as the written language was so close to written Danish (the words were and still are pronounced very differently in Denmark and Norway, Norwegians just don't have the ability to pronounce words the way the Danes do, we're closer to the Swedes pronunciation-wise). Even today, Norwegians can easily pick up say a Danish book and read it, even children (I read Danish history books and comics 20+ years ago when me and my family holidayed in Denmark).
Anyway, in the mid-19th century a man called Ivar Aasen started collecting the various dialects of Norway, to create a new Norwegian written language, closer to how people spoke. Travelling most of the country (except the far north), he created Landsmaal (today's nynorsk), in contrast with Riksmaal.
Nynorsk is most commonly used in the south-west of Norway, while bokmål dominates most of the rest of the country (it's like 10% nynorsk users and around 90% bokmål users. Everyone in Norway are taught both versions of written Norwegian, which is somewhat unpopular with many school kids (of the bokmål kind). Research shows, however, that learning two versions of Norwegian makes it easier to learn foreign languages.
Up until 2006, it was the official goal of the Norwegian authorities to merge the two written languages into a single samnorsk Norwegian, but that's been dropped. Even still, reforms have brought the two written languages closer together, even since I was in school.
Whenever government authorities receive a letter from someone in the public, they are bound to reply to the writer in the version of Norwegian s/he has chosen to use, which can lead to comedic situations.
The languages aren't really that dissimilar, If one knows one, then understanding the other is not very problematic. For immigrants, of course, it can be a bit challenging, but so can the intense Norwegian loyalty to spoken dialects (people rarely switch dialect when speaking to people not from their area). "My" written language is bokmål, although my spoken dialect is closer to nynorsk (and although the municipality where I grew up is officially "neutral" language-wise). No-one speaks nynorsk, nor do anyone speak bokmål, they're just written languages, although some dialects are closer to the written languages than others.
Wikipedia-wise, my impression is that the nynorsk version is better, as regards quality. Not sure why, but it looks that way to me. There are fewer nynorsk writers, and maybe they're more quality-oriented? Prouder, perhaps? Pure speculation on my part, of course.
Easy, right? ;) Manxruler (talk) 05:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Helpful, thank you! If it's not yet in an article it should go there. - I am more active in the Norwegian wiki than you, then. I just made two edits, - what should I give as an edit summary here? - What's 14 in letters? The article speaks about closing chorale #14 and then said - until I changed now, never looked before - it's in 15 movements, - is that what you mean about quality? The complete listing of the cantata text should be dropped, but I am not bold enough to do so ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

For the fun of it, I placed a Norwegian on top here ;) - did you know about the sapphire (not "mine", I had a Bach cantata in DYK)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. The articles we've got on Nynorsk and Bokmål aren't the best. We'll see, it's not my usual area of editing, but we'll see. Well, 14 is "fjorten" (quite similar to Vierzehn, really). I'm of course not familiar with the Norwegian Wikipedia lingo, but I'd say something like: "Retter stavingen av flere tyske ord. Dessuten er "«Er ist keine Sprache noch Rode», Solo for tenor ikke en del av stykket" And I just noticed it's the nynorsk version, so the above is incorrect, correct version (according to my old nynorsk dictionary) is: 14 is fjorten. (quite similar to Vierzehn, really) I'm of course not familiar with the Nynorsk Norwegian Wikipedia lingo, but I'd say something like: "Retting av stavinga av fleire tyske ord. Dessutan er "«Er ist keine Sprache noch Rode», Solo for tenor" ikkje ein del av stykket"(In English: correcting the spelling of German words, besides "«Er ist keine Sprache noch Rode», Solo for tenor" is not part of the piece). That should do it. Big difference between Bokmål and Nynorsk, right? Manxruler (talk) 13:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Words are not enough[edit]

Angel statue.jpg Angel of sweet kindness
Your support while I was having a rough time and then your warm welcome back upon my return are indescribably heartwarming and most welcome...thank you! Dreadstar 15:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I hope you realise that I was selfish: I wanted you to stay! I see too many who give up or find better things to do. Feel free to join my red cat, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Matthias Eisenberg[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Sir Adrian[edit]

Gerda, what a pleasing note from you on my talk page! You are too kind, but I walk a little taller for that beautifully-phrased compliment. Tim riley (talk) 19:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


I am sending this message to the users who I have closely collaborated with. I will be taking a temporary Wikibreak for at least 5-7 days to let off some steam and get myself reenergized. Some of the stress has got to me, so I think it's best if I should take a couple of days off. I also have final exams coming up as well, so I have more important things to worry about. I, however, will be here to contribute to some articles that I have worked on. Until then, farewell. With my very best and warmest regards, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:36, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


Wiki Heart Antomy Ties van Brussel.jpg The Huge Heart Barnstar.
For all the kindness that you show to your fellow editors, User:Keilana has said that you, Gerda, deserve this award.

Thank you so much, also for taking care of all those women scientists! How many hits did your "organ"-related DYK get? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC) ps: checked myself, 15,299, congrats! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC) Thoroughly deserved!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Maria Tallchief[edit]

Did you want to make a decision on Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Tallchief or should I ask for a second opinion? Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Peace Concert - Ben Davies[edit]

Dear Gerda, Thankyou for your remarks about the article I began on Ben Davies (something like 28 March)... His style of singing belongs to another era. I am not really functioning much at the moment but I do notice your friendly remarks! And am heartened by them. One of the singers I most enjoyed investigating was Karl Erb. Though I probably got it all wrong - I was reading from Maria Müller-Gögler's book. I wish there was a recording of him singing Pfitzner's Palestrina (opera) but we have Julius Patzak (twice I think) to make up for it. - Happy Easter/Whitsuntide. Steven. PS I expect someone else began it and I added to it...

I mentioned Erb in Evangelist (Bach), thanks for letting me know! - Palestrina was shown in Frankfurt recently, that may mean 2 or 3 years ago, time flies. Did you see what we sang for Easter? (User archive 2013, link on my user) Whitsun: William Lloyd Webber Mass "Prince of peace" here on Sunday, "Veni Sancte Spiritu" by Mozart, K. 47, very ambitious for a boy, here on Monday, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

You are a Golden Editor![edit]

Gold Medal.svg Good as gold!
For all the times you have brightened someone's day by declaring them 'Precious', you are a Golden Editor. AutomaticStrikeout (TCSign AAPT) 02:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, precious! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


Gottfried Grote.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, started ce - ran into ec, will wait a bit now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I've started Friedrich Wilhelm Rust but hidden the automated text to avoid people sniffing about at it...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Will look later, Thursday, you know. Perhaps get the DNB over (if there), that adds solidity: simply change "DNB-Portal" to "DNB Portal" and drop everything after the number, replace "Normdaten by "Authority control", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Wonderful work on Friedrich Wilhelm Rust!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:45, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

You found good refs! Interesting fellow, DYK for sure ;) - If you look at some of his links, there's even more, - played welltempered from memory might be a hook, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Did you see that Nikkimaria did a lot? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I didn't no, excellent job Nikkimaria!! I've forwarded it to Rosblofnari as a collaboration.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you nom Friedrich Wilhelm Rust?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:54, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I think so, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you let me know when you have or update Wikipedia:WikiProject Rosblofnari? Cheers.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:57, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Opera days[edit]

Dear Gerda, If you haven't used it yet you might get a reference to May Night by R. Korsakov in about now!! Not that we are having any May nights, they feel more like February mornings. I have a fine old recording of this opera with Sergei Lemeshev, great stylist that he was. About 1950. Nothing like a drowned fairy or two to cheer up an opera. Eebahgum (talk) 20:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Good idea ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Done! - Feel free to help me, finding them and inserting yourself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:47, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I fear I am too lazy to engage with that aspect of wikipedia. Eebahgum (talk) 22:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
For me, that's the sweet part of the day, no conflict, no fear, free choice ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hi! How are you? Thanks for the previous award! I was not really aware of the precious award. It is a really nice gesture. Thanks a lot for thinking myself as a deserving candidate. cheers,Dwaipayan (talk) 05:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

No precious for me for Mother India? Check the history 2011-2 hehe! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:15, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Precious is only one per person (as long as remember, Rlevse passed "Award Wikipedian" at least once to one person twice) ;) - you got my #2 ever, be proud! A year ago was #114, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Aw, LOL OK. I wouldn't mind an emerald though, I love the colour!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

On [10] can you add Categoria:Architetture della Città del Vaticano for it (Italian) wikipedia? Doesn't work when I edit it.

done, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Muchas gracias Gerda. Oh to find a more pious topic for the Vatican...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Category:Buildings and structures in Vatican City no It wiki link. I thought you said that you did it?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:49, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I tried again and got an error message (probably did the first time also and missed it). Perhaps ask on wikidata chat? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I must admit this wikidata thing is causing me a lot of problems. I had no trouble adding another link to something I did yesterday but at ties it doesn't work and I don't like having to go onto another website t sort something out. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:21, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Martin Krumbiegel[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Martin Krumbiegel at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 14:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Vilde Frang[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wer da gläubet und getauft wird, BWV 37[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Friedrich Wilhelm Rust[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


I noticed your appreciation of Sorrow. The article was written as part of this collaboration: Wikipedia:GLAM/NAGW. We're also using QRpedia, so translation of articles into German (or other languages) would be most welcome! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I have it in the back of my mind, same for Archaeology of Kosovo, - once I need less time for straightening out the Bach composition infoboxes and once I got my promised article closer to where I want it to be, I will think of it again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Lamberti, Hildesheim[edit]

Allen3 talk 09:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Ralf Popken[edit]

I've given you an easy week this week eh?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm on vacation, good coincidence ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

RFC on TFA images[edit]

Dear Gerda Arendt, you may be interested in a discussion that I've started at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article#Request for comment - images in TFA blurbs. All views welcome. BencherliteTalk 16:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Infobox with collapsible sections[edit]

Richard Wagner
Portrait of Richard Wagner, 1871
Richard Wagner, 1871
Born (1813-05-22)22 May 1813
Died 23 February 1883(1883-02-23) (aged 69)
Years active
Known for
Notable work
Style Romantic
Richard Wagner Signature.svg

Hi Gerda,

Have a look at this version of the Wagner infobox. Note especially that the "years active" needs to be a named parameter (the version on the Wagner talk page actually has its "years active" list as a continuation of the "occupation" section).

I don't like the link from an infobox to the nav template as that template is not for listing works, it's for navigating articles (an action, not a data structure), so I've scrapped it.

I converted occupations and children to flatlists to save space - the data is the same.

I would actually recommend any list with more than 2 or 3 entries ought to be a collapsed list. In other words, if it can't be displayed succinctly, then don't display it unless the reader wants to - the underlying data is still there, of course. Have a think about the "Notable works" list. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 02:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, will take over later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Content Creativity Barnstar.png The Content Creativity Barnstar
Thank you for being such a strong content editor -. Don't let the infobox wars and bad faith editors get to you. Your the type of editor we need more of here -  :-) Moxy (talk) 03:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, don't be afraid, I created my red cat after learning to despise "consensus", so am here to stay, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


Hi, I noticed you are not on this list. From June 2013 there is a new "in focus... " format, book reviews, new-DYK, etc. that refer to some articles of interest. Please just take a look at the June issue (should be released soon) and see. You just need to add your name to the list here. They are also offering a 3 month money back guarantee deal next week. History2007 (talk) 10:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Recognize the June issue DYK? History2007 (talk) 10:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
I do ;) - I sang my first concert with a church choir there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


Thanks, I ought to do another building FA sometime. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Precious gift[edit]

Thank you so much for your very sweet gift! I'm very pleased and honored to be a recipient, and truly delighted to discover that there are people like yourself who do such things. Wikipedia is suddenly a much, much nicer community :) SteveStrummer (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

As you can see in the list, I had great models. On my user I keep my own, remembering the feeling, - your nice response made my day today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Your opinion[edit]

"'Every editor is a human being'. Fladrif seemed not to respect that, what can we do?" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:39, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I've never corresponded w/ you before. But may I ask, in light and respect of your statement, which you used to justify opinion for INDEF block on that user, what do you think about User:Bwilkins's final remark about User:DanielTom, in this thread. (Thank u for your sincere opinion.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

My remark on Fladrif's talk was in response to his treatment of a friend of mine. It was deleted within minutes, as anything else on that page, - I didn't see them interact at all (but now I watched little). We lost User:Dreadstar because of them, - so it seemed when I posted. I kept my statement short, there was no need to repeat what others had said already. - The prompt deletion of talk messages reminded me of User:Townlake, unhappily so, as we lost User:PumpkinSky because of them, for a long time. - I will not get involved in the other case about which I know nothing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. When I asked your opinion above, I wasn't thinking it was asking you to "get involved". Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 00:33, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Define "involved", - I wasn't precise, I meant I have no time to even look (see below), and can't speak without looking. - Did you know that I didn't even have time so far to look at Fladrif's posts on the PumpkinSky RfA (link on my user)? I looked yesterday and found it sickening. To repeat the old "copyvio/plagiarism" label for the author of featured article Franz Kafka, - find a term for that yourself please, Did you know where the above mentioned quote comes from? The alleged identity of Rlevse and Barking Moon. it's linked in my edit notice. I miss BarkingMoon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:44, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Marie Lloyd[edit]

Hi Gerda, I currently have Marie Lloyd performing at FAC, and generally behaving in a lewd and scandalous manner. So, if you have the time (and if the subject matter interests you), I would be eager to hear your thoughts should she take your fancy. ;) -- CassiantoTalk 19:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I am interested, but have a few things on my mind, translate tomorrow's cantata BWV 68 to German, fill today's mass (red link on my user, also Lloyd), format the refs for the Pentecost cantatas (10 or so), write the next one for Trinity, and look into reverts of infoboxes ;) - but then I will look, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Wow that certainly is a list! No problem at all. If you do miss her FAC then I would still like to know your thoughts, so no rush. All the best --CassiantoTalk 19:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
If you revert fewer infoboxes it may happen sooner ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Oh I see, this is punishment is it? I never revert, just seek consensus for implementing, just as I would if I were to request a removal. Anyway, that is a whole new conversation; Lloyd has been promoted as of now, so look in at your leisure. Shame. -- CassiantoTalk 20:23, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
You see too much, if you see punishment. I didn't even look yet because it's the topic I am least interested in. I am thankful to anyone who adds an infobox for "my" articles, and not happy when an infobox I add to "my" articles gets reverted. For articles of others, I came to add when I know it's welcome, but suggest on the talk when I know it's not. - Of the list, I finished the recordings for BWV 68. - Congrats to the promotion! I am still interested in the performer and will look. Any date you want her to appear as TFA? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
"If you revert fewer infoboxes it may happen sooner" is written in such a way that it suggests I would have to wait longer due to my actions of apparently reverting infoboxes. I have assumed good faith in this incidentally. I work on the guide that "An infobox is neither required nor prohibited for any article." Whether to use one or not would be determined through a discussion and possible consensus on the talk page. I make no secret of my dislike of them on biographies, but think they work well on film, science,, geography, history, and royalty articles, etc... To answer your TFA question, I really don't know. We have missed the 90 year anniversary of her death, and have another nine years to wait for the centenary. I will see which date fits best. We may have to go with first performance, or wait two years to place a TFA on the 145th anniversary of her birth. Cheers -- CassiantoTalk 21:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
(ec) Thanks for helping with the cantata! I did enough of the translation. - If you revert fewer simply means I have to look into fewer cases, so need less time for that. - I worked on the biography of Franz Kafka, as you may know, bio FA with an infobox. (I have a history of not liking them, did you know?) - TFA: simply suggest for any day, ladies are most welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I didn't know that, no. You are full of surprises young Gerda! I know the Kafka bio only too well having read it just a week ago, and was extremely impressed. I was going to list Joseph Grimaldi next for TFA, but ladies first. -- CassiantoTalk 21:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Kafka: PumpkinSky did the work (including the infobox), I helped with the German, first winning an award in the Core Contest and then FA, planned for 22 September. - The writing was not easy because many editors had worked on it before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

There is a mop reserved in your name[edit]

Mop.png You are a remarkably exemplar editor.
You would be a good administrator in my opinion, and you are qualified!
You personify an Administrator without tools, and have gained my support; already!

My76Strat (talk) 22:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the expression of trust! You are not the first to suggest that, the answer still applies. Also you must have missed how disruptive I am ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. I am livid at the tone of that Wagner discussion; clearly I should avoid injecting my thoughts there; if I am able. My76Strat (talk) 23:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


I had no idea such a page even existed! And strange that it said vanished without notice, I had a big banner saying I was moving, had no internet, and then had little to sporadic internet, etc. Anyway, I'm happily off that list. :) Sadly, I see many names that make me wish were not on the list. :( Oh good grief, someone point me to how to make smiley faces, lol. ArielGold 03:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You are most welcome here! - In the sad list, others missed you. - I hear you are kind of an angel! But that it was said to me also puts it in perspective ;) - We sing "Come Holy Ghost" today, see my user, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks[edit]

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
A jewel dropping down on me is quite unexpected but much appreciated. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

All I can say is simply, you do good work! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Also hat Gott die Welt geliebt, BWV 68[edit]

Harrias talk 16:36, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Bruce MacKinnon[edit]

Hello. Thank you for your input on Bruce MacKinnon (cartoonist). I have made a third stab at a hook, reflecting your comments. Your thoughts? I think is is much better, even quirky!Verne Equinox (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Martin Krumbiegel[edit]

Harrias talk 00:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: work log[edit]

Thanks for your kind words! Please let me know if there's any way I can improve my editing or when you see me doing something wrong. Happy editing, quant18 (talk) 15:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, nicely said, - I saw only good things when I looked at your contributions. You seem to be much more successful in editing without controversies and drama than I am, - but I take it as part of loving opera ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Wagner special[edit]

Richard Wagner
Portrait of Richard Wagner, 1871
Richard Wagner, 1871
Born (1813-05-22)22 May 1813
Died 23 February 1883(1883-02-23) (aged 69)
Years active
Notable work
Style Romantic
Richard Wagner Signature.svg

Does it come with extra cheese and pineapple? sounds appetizing!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

If you provide them ;) - I just placed Götterdämmerung on my talk, will leave now, as promised, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


I will leave Verdi to you and others; much as I love his music, I claim no special knowledge of his output. I am anyway concentrating on Charles-Valentin Alkan at present, who had the misfortune to be born in the same year as Wagner and Verdi. If you would like to come to Levoča this year, (4th-8th October) you can hear Verdi String 4tet, Wagner Wesendonck Lieder and Alkan complete chamber music, amongst a lot of other good stuff....If you can make it you will be very welcome. Best, --Smerus (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation, that souds interesting, but there's singing Schubert Mass No 6 on 3 Oct and travel with friends afterwards, so not likely. I will tell a friend who his from Slovakia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mass in B minor structure[edit]

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for the Precious award. It warmed my heart. Verne Equinox (talk) 01:23, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Hannoversche Hofkapelle[edit]

Gerda, can you have a look at this one if you have time: Hannoversche Hofkapelle. You will see we are using the German name! --Kleinzach 01:08, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Erhard Egidi[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Calling quirkys[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Quirky.27s get that car parking nom in! PumpkinSky talk 00:49, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Mass first, then cantata, then quirky for dessert, - O offered the Pipe Aria, it was not taken for quirky, but the Mass was ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I saw that you need directly sourced hooks and thought its betterto use english ones.
BR Serten (talk) 08:10, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, good approach. Would you click those? I thought just to mention THAT those papers reported was more quirky. (Almost too personal request: please don't use the abbreviation "BR" for me, - did you read my edit notice?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Welcome, great teacher. ??clikc?? I am not at all aware or inside the DYK process here.
  • DYK that by assigning Men's parking spaces, a city with five thousand inhabitants made its way into the world press Serten (talk) 08:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Be specific ;) I suggest: you select two good quotes from articles in English in well known papers from interesting places and put them in the article, it's more interesting for any reader, not only DYK. Like: Mr. Soandso of the xyz Guardian noted: "". If a quote is good for a hook, we take that, if not we mention those two papers. - hint: if you start a new topic on a page, use the button on top "New section", easier to follow in watchlists. - did you see Mass in B minor structure (work in progress), mentioned just above? Tell Wikiwal that I thank him very much for the German model. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
OK. "the greatest musical work of all times and peoples" Serten (talk) 10:30, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Said 1818 and still true. A different kind: Es ist ein trotzig und verzagt Ding, BWV 176, defiant and disheartened, - cantata ready (well, recordings still missing, but that's routine work, no thoughts needed), how about quotes? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I was on damsel in distress ;) in german. Asap. Serten (talk) 10:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
I helped myself to dessert, link on the article talk, please watch and follow up, I will travel for the next days, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for adding more, enough! - Please format refs as right AFTER punctuation. Add more hook suggestions if you like, by editing the nomination and saying "ALT1: ... ?", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Alt1 is the best, it covers all aspects and Tribergians will love it. Serten (talk)
ALT1 does something I try all the time: saying too much ;) Let the reviewer speak first, who may approve more than one, - then the one who chooses for the prep(aration) area can see what fits best in a context.
German article was moved to Männerparkplatz (Triberg) and saved from limbo. Lets see whats going to happen now. Cheers Serten. Serten (talk) 14:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Es ist ein trotzig und verzagt Ding, BWV 176[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


One of the Bach articles was reverted with an edit summary suggesting it was per your talk page, but I see nothing recent on your talk page. Just a heads up that there was a blatently inaccurage edit summary. Montanabw(talk) 03:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

My talk page is long, so not to specifically mention where is not really helpful. I asked in one of those cases, and was pointed at the section where collapsing of longer lists is recommended and shown, compare the two versions on Richard Wagner. The big difference between collapsing sections (not acceptable for me) and collapsing long lists of one parameter (acceptable) has been discussed. Now we have to see what "long" means. For no Bach composition is the scoring long, not even for the Mass, and it certainly is where the music sounds and should be heard. I understand that Voceditenore also goes for visible scoring, see template discussion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. But there seems to be a "brat in a bubble" who wants to throw tantrums and have it all her way, just on the principle of the thing. I'm done for this evening, and I'm ready to rip my hair out about that situation (sigh). 05:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Please don't rip your hair out. Thanks for trying to help. Ihr werdet weinen und heulen. Es ist ein trotzig und verzagt Ding. Laßt uns sorgen, laßt uns wachen, Dona nobis pacem, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


very much for your post to my talk page. I'm still trying to keep on my Wikibreak but wanted to tell you how appreciated that was. Dougweller (talk) 04:48, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

my pleasure! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks from me too. Not sure why you decided to re-honour me, since I haven't done much of note since then, but it is much appreciated. :-) Serendipodous 11:46, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
No, no, much simpler: for every recipent, I look after a year if it still applies. It's meant for something specific special as well as for longterm contributions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

secondary source?[edit]

Hello my friend: just a quick question: Would this be considered as an secondary or tertiary source to be used in the article? Also, this is quite interesting experiment in the history of the live piano performances for live animals and humans all together at the same time isn't? Do you think we should put few sentences mentioning this in the article? If you say it's useless then don't worry about it. Many thanks! Regards, Sausa (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

On vacation, no time, one look: gimmick. I would use it as an external ref. (No time right now to actually read it.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Got you! Thanks! Whenver you grab a chance just let me know what you meant by "gimmick" using this word in the article or as a reference to something? Thanks Gerda! Sausa (talk) 20:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
No, no, much simpler, quote from that link: "It has all the earmarkings of a gimmick". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


Still in the User:Serten/sandbox :) But I believe its quirky enough. Cheers Serten (talk) 02:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Patience please, I have a full load of things to do, more than I can handle, look above. (Please use "new section" for a new section, no appendix to the last.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


Hi, I thought I would drop you a note to say that I mentioned an article you worked on in this month's issue of Ichthus. If you wish to receive the full content in future, please drop me a note on my talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds22:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, see above, I got the message and then he vanished ... - I prefer the link to the full copy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Ok well you have it :) He may have vanished, but he wrote us 15 months of material ... --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 22:13, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
It caught me as a complete surprise, right after that announcement, - we are losing too many, and I ask myself what went wrong, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I think it was planned, he mentioned he had given himself a year left before leaving - too much drama, too much ANI, I think.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 22:41, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot, BWV 39[edit]

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Nice Surprise[edit]

I am honored! Thank you for your kind words, and for making Wikipedia a better place. Ewulp (talk) 04:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Now I am honored! Some may think I make it worse, trying to apply infoboxes, an accessibility tool. Some think a box disfigures an article. What will they think about a ramp for people in wheelchairs for a building? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
The lede and the TOC are ramps; an infobox is unfortunately very often a detour, a treacherous ramp that leads to the wrong information. Users who have difficulty reading a lede paragraph or utilizing a table of contents are better served by Simple English Wikipedia than by a table of field-value pairs. Surely you will agree! I encourage you to join the battle against the infobox blight. Ewulp (talk) 08:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Battle? Sounds frightening ;) - I go for Reformation, see link to "amore e studio elucidandae" on my user, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Medingen Abbey[edit]

Hi Gerda. Would you mind taking a look at this article and its DYK nom? It's been created by a new (German?) editor, Jenny.lemke, and looks generally pretty good. I've nominated it for a DYK and it's been reviewed by a first-time reviewer who is positive but has some comments. Some help in getting it through the process would I'm sure be appreciated as an encourage to both newbies! --Bermicourt (talk) 19:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

It's done, I add (pictured) ;) - The titles of the sources should be italic, not bold. I am surprised that there is no German article, but Medingen (Bad Bevensen) is almost exclusively about it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Courtesy notification[edit]

I have cited you regarding an issue with another editor, at WP:ANI#Persistent edit stalking. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Handel, Bach[edit]

I don't see the point of your revert. Don't you think it's interesting that Handel and Bach — two giants of Baroque — were born three weeks apart, in relatively close proximity? How does removing this sidelight enhance Handel? Sca (talk) 23:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

How does mentioning a sheer coincidence enhance our understanding of Handel? The lead should contain (only) the most important facts about him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm looking at it from a human-interest point of view, as a journalist. You seem to be looking at it from the point of view of a musicologist. My audience is far larger than yours, I submit.
PS: My favorite cantata is BWV 140. Sca (talk) 21:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I would not have reverted a remark in the article, or under trivia, but - repeating - don't think it belongs in the lead. I like the early BWV 172, when he still wanted the opening chorus repeated in the end, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, I would agree with your argument about the lead (in U.S. journalism, oddly, spelled lede) were the paragraph in question not preceded by three summary paragraphs comprising 337 words — which in newspaper terms corresponds to about 11 inches of single-column type. Thus, the reader who gets to the referenced paragraph already has spent significant time reading about Handel.
Wiki may have developed its own idiosyncratic standards for expository form, but in longstanding journalism practice the "lede" is the FIRST paragraph. Thus, inclusion of a brief (12 words) reference to Bach's coincidental birth nearby does not tax the reader's patience, as he already has shown considerable interest in the topic by reading to this point. I'm not one for edit wars, but I request that you reconsider. Thanks.
Sca (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Bassoon quintet[edit]

This is a bit of a mystery. I started doing the link repairs and I thought that I had done the one in the template. I will look again. By the way I used to know Graham's father William, who apart from being an excellent fagottist had a wonderful collection of musical instruments and first editions. He owned I think the only pedal piano in England, on which I tried some of Alkan's pieces; but my organ-playing days are long behind me and I couldn't hack it. Best, --Smerus (talk) 15:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

He and I listened to the premiere. Hearing the conversation between the player and him on the way to the reception afterwards was quite memorable, - too bad I don't remember as well what they said ;) - I saw that you had done the link in the template, that's what I don't understand. Perhaps we need to wait a day for the search function to work properly for the template. It does work for the other articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)I did a gig with Celia a couple of weekends ago. Small(ish) world. And wasn't it Bill who was the source of the wonderful Messiaen/Turangalîla story about the score?? I seem to recall so. It's a corker. Cheers DBaK (talk) 15:39, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Well done Gerda for solving the link mystery!--Smerus (talk) 20:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I didn't do a thing, just looked again. Perhaps it's like the search function, finding a new article only a day later or so. I will have to learn more on templates, for example why when you make a change, it immediately shows in an article but not in the example on the template's own documentation. - Did you see that Epitaphium was meant to be played at WW's memorial service by his children, but there was too much music already, so they played it later in Wigmore Hall in The Proud Bassoon? Quoting "The program book includes a section of memories, titled "recollected in tranquility, a celebration", including a contribution of Karlheinz Stockhausen who wrote in 2007: "Not only in rehearsal, but also in many hours before and after rehearsals and recordings, and during our trips with the ensemble, I had the pleasure and privilege of sharing with William Waterhouse his rich cultural knowledge and enthusiasm. He was a musician as we all should be: excellent as a performer, open minded, curious, well educated, joyous, full of humour. I greet him in the beyond and hope to meet him again." - Stockhausen died shortly afterwards. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

Kitten (06) by Ron.jpg

Thanks for the gemstone!

Bearian (talk) 16:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

WikiThanks.png Thanks from me too! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you...[edit]

...for your kind words.

And you did notice that I occasionally(?) challenge the status quo. Yeah, I'm not a follower. HiLo48 (talk) 09:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Nor am I - only supposed to be one (found in the WP:Great Dismal Swamp in the last few hours: "some of those in his train play these silly games", "that the spirit of the master temporarily in exile has found a worthy inheritor") ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

John Young Brown[edit]

Sorry to have opposed, but I like your response. Please do drop me a line on my talk page when you relist it, if you remember! --Dweller (talk) 21:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, no problem, my memory is here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

thank you[edit]

Just wanted to send a belated thank you for the kind message you left on my talkpage. I always knew I was awesome :) GabrielF (talk) 22:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Kafka for TFA 3rd July?[edit]

To mark the 130th anniversary of his birth, perhaps? BencherliteTalk 15:32, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of it! PumpkinSky had the same idea, but I convinced him that 22 September might be better, the night when he wrote "The Judgement", a pivotal turn in his writing (see pending). - I confess that 3 July seems too early now, the list of his works (different article) is far from presentable, and time limited. What do you think. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I couldn't work out why it was there for 22nd Sept - "The Judgement" doesn't even merit a mention in the lead, so its date relevance is marginal at best, compared to a "round number" anniversary. And I wouldn't worry about the state of Franz Kafka bibliography, because that's not relevant to Kafka's appearance date in my humble opinion. Oh well, I won't be doing any scheduling until next week anyway, so have a think about it. BencherliteTalk 15:51, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
My experience is zero, so I am listening, of course. I can't nominate, I just proposed one for later. Will fix the blurb you know where. The rules, the rules ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Most people won't make the connection to The Judgement, and haven't even heard of it. PumpkinSky talk 12:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I changed to 3 July almost everywhere, feel free to nom, it's mostly yours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103....[edit]

is now a GA, congratulations! I've just been btw to a performance here in Kiev by an amazing young Japanese violinist of Schoenberg's Concerto. What a great piece!- and the WP article on it is pretty feeble, if you are at a loose end......Best, --Smerus (talk) 19:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for great support! Look above, an unexpected TFA, + two articles I wanted to have written by last Tuesday, + two translations to German, + everything still feels a bit muddy from the swamp, "quanto dolore" ;) - working together is the best way out, thank you for that, and for sharing music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Well done!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I am in my fourth year with the cantatas, only a few left, and Nikkimaria helps. Your DYK record is amazing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
ps: our did you mean leaving the swamp only a bit muddy? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Let me know when you want some more articles!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

It's on your coordination page, one red guy in Teh Mass, - the others there can wait, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Johann Hugo von Wilderer, text is hidden..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, that was fast again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 15 June 2013 (UTC)


Hi, Gerda, I've suggested you might like to make a statement here as a way of bringing the ANI to a conclusion. --Kleinzach 02:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

done, also fixed links to archived discussion there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:19, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar of Integrity[edit]

Barnstar of Integrity Hires.png The Barnstar of Integrity
For your support during the recent unpleasantness. PumpkinSky talk 22:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! After this Kafkaesque episode, go and nominate Kafka ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

For you, ok. PumpkinSky talk 22:44, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Not for me, - I would like to use the "first nom" point some day for an FA I did myself, - Kafka will not need it ;) - blurb is on QAI, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, for you. I came up with 5 pts (Vital and date). PumpkinSky talk 23:11, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
You know my feelings for those points. Reduce a person like Kafka to 5 points ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

St. Andreas, Hildesheim[edit]

Hi Gerda. I see you've just moved this to the German name. Having done a number of these articles, the general convention seems to be to use the English name for German churches named after a saint. This is certainly the case if you look at the Category:Lutheran churches in Germany. I accept this usage is not universal outside, but still there is a strong trend towards using English or both English and German. It helps with clarity too, because we always include the word "Church". That said, you know I love Germany and the German language! (even tho' we're now back in UK). And I fully accept we must highlight the German name in the lede and as a redirect! Bermicourt (talk) 11:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

(ec) Define "always". Not on the commons, nor their own website. I came across it with St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, but was too lazy then ;) - To include the word "church" seems to me like including "Prof" in a person's name. - Learning, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
For orchestras: if there is an official (!) English name, that is taken, otherwise the German, but not an inofficial translation. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I missed this. Where to begin? I agree, "always" is a bit sloppy; it's true we often refer to churches in English as "St. Mary's" or "St. Peter's", but only when we already know the context i.e. that we're talking about a church, because we also have schools and colleges named after saints. So I think "St. Mary's Church, Placename" is a sensible title for articles on churches in English-speaking countries. The real question is what do we do with churches in other countries? There seems to me to be a common trend in the sources to translate the name where possible. "Where possible" seems to be, first, where churches are named after saints. It would seem odd to say "St. Nikolai Church dedicated to St. Nicholas". Second, it is also quite common in English to name churches after their location e.g. Greensted Church or Selsley Church. This suggests it is also okay to translate "Foodorfkirche" as "Foodorf Church". It's just a compound noun. As an overwhelming majority of German church articles seemed to follow these 2 practices already, I have simply been trying to tidy things up ensuring, of course, that we quote the German name in the opening sentence. For English readers I think that's helpful.
Orchestras: I'm not sure. We are used to talking about the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra or the Vienna Philharmonic in English, so it's reasonable to extend the practice to similarly named orchestras I guess. But if it has a one-off name such as Hofkapelle, maybe it's sensible to leave it in German. --Bermicourt (talk) 18:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
There's more to the topic below also, St. Augustin(e). I like the practice there: have just the name as the title, explain in the article. The German names are no way consistent even in German, our church is known as St. Martin, whereas the Reinoldikirche is known as such, Catholic vs Protestant may play a role there. The English Wikipedia seems to respect the original names of some French and Italian churches, why not German also? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
ps: we don't talk about the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, Berlin Philharmonic is correct because that orchestra has an official English name. If a church has one, let's use it, but not invent a translation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Franz Kafka[edit]

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Franz Kafka in 1906

Franz Kafka (1883–1924) was a German-language writer of novels and short stories, and is regarded as one of the most influential authors of the 20th century. His works, such as "Die Verwandlung" ("The Metamorphosis"), Der Process (The Trial), and Das Schloss (The Castle), are filled with themes and archetypes of alienation, brutality, parent–child conflict, and mystical transformations. Kafka was born into a middle-class Jewish family in Prague, then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He trained as a lawyer and worked for an insurance company, writing in his spare time – he complained all his life about his lack of time to write. Kafka wrote hundreds of letters to family and close female friends, including his fiancée Felice Bauer. Only a few of Kafka's stories appeared during his lifetime in story collections and literary magazines. His novels and other unfinished works were published posthumously, mostly by his friend Max Brod, who ignored his wish to have the manuscripts destroyed. Albert Camus and Jean-Paul Sartre are among the writers influenced by Kafka's work; the term Kafkaesque has entered the English language to describe surreal situations like those in his writing. (Full article...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

The Company of Heaven[edit]

Good grief, Gerda! You expose me as a fraud. Here I am presuming to get BB up to FAC standard and I've never, as far as I remember, even heard of "The Company of Heaven". I shall go and do a spot of homework. Tim riley (talk) 22:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

It's a radio feature on angels, much more spoken than music, and forgotten until 1990, - no wonder you don't know it ;) - we performed it in 2001, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Duly researched. I've added a few bits and pieces. Do trim my additions if you think I've gone on too much. I shall seek out a recording. Tim riley (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Great, I will look later, no time right now. The spoken voices in the battle music are a feature worthy of DYK, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Good! Glad you approve. I don't think I can add more, and I imagine that the DYK (a process that is terra incognita for me) will probably have to be written off. Tim riley (talk) 16:22, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Fine with me, - I hear the music now, #9 a cappella, very difficult for a lay choir, very beautiful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I see the article has made it to DYK. By what sorcery you accomplish this, my dear Gerda, I know not, but I congratulate you. Tim riley (talk) 21:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

You can't survive here without a little bit of magic ;) - In this case I found a reviewer who didn't take teh rulez by the letter but the spirit and said is was new enough. - Did you see (below) that I received an opera house? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I did. I had my own for 15 minutes last Saturday. Between 10 and 10.15 I was appointed doorkeeper at the Royal Opera House for the Frederick Ashton Wikibash. The feeling of power and importance was almost overwhelming. With which opera shall you be opening your new opera house? Tim riley (talk) 21:27, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Gianni Schicchi ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
We're not that far apart: I'd choose Falstaff. The Company of Heaven article is looking in excellent shape now. An unusual example of a new article to which quite a few editors have contributed almost simultaneously to good effect. Sometimes such things can be a a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth", but not here. I am still working on the main Benjamin Britten article, where, naturally, any additions or amendments you care to add will be most welcome. Tim riley (talk) 15:53, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG I'm not by there very often, but today I saw the recent kerfluffle at AN/I and thought you could use some sweets. Lest you think this is all selfless, though, I brought a second fork. Care to split it? -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, sweet of you, - I would share with Andy first if his doctors allow. Day by day I hope the thread autoarchives (havn't looked today), - I am sure his doctors allow no stress ;) . Did you see the list of 18 discussions "drowning" a project? - Everybody who takes an unbiased look is welcome to share the baklava! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Augustin, Coburg[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

St Augustin(e)[edit]

Hi. I reverted your edit and brought back the original English + German translation. IMHO, the dedication of the church is not something "German" per se. But I agree with you it is arguable. Hence my humble suggestion:page name in German but description in the lead in English. I will add the geotag to make sure nobody get lost ;-) --Alberto Fernández Fernández (talk) 10:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I think a name is a name. and I would keep any name that is no problem. I would not translate yours to Albert Ferdinand ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Adding Infobox opera to articles[edit]

Hi Gerda, I check what links to the infobox every day, so I can see how it's settling in. This is just a note to say that when you add the box to an article like La Navarraise, which does not have a footer navbox to the composers' other opera articles, you need to add the operas to the infobox in the collapsed list by hand. Otherwise, replacing the old header navbox with an infobox is a net loss to the article, since the first two sentences already contain the other information in the box. I've gone ahead and fixed that one for you. I'd suggest that if you want to add further infoboxes, you might want to start with articles that already have a footer navbox. You might also want to start with articles which are long enough to justify an infobox but aren't FA yet, but that's up to you. Voceditenore (talk) 14:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix, I was interrupted. - As time permits, I pick the ones that are visible, - I liked Das Rheingold on the Main page yesterday for a while and no complaints. - No more time today, I just peeked in to see if Massenet had a navbox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
You've probably already seen it, but just in case, Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Horizontal composer templates lists all the currently available opera composer footer navboxes. Voceditenore (talk) 15:22, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Johann Hugo von Wilderer[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Johann Hugo von Wilderer at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! NinaGreen (talk) 18:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


Bless you for that ;) -- CassiantoTalk 09:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I like to watch that archive grow, full of people who otherwise seem to live on different stars ;) - feel free to also share some baklava above --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Alas, there are only two forks (I'll use my fingers!) -- CassiantoTalk 17:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
I always use my fingers for baklava, you can have mine, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Gerhard Faulstich[edit]

You may wish to add.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:37, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, probably yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


I wanted to get back to you for the glittering jewel you gave me last month, I have been very busy lately but have been meaning to say thank you! Its great to be noticed, thanks again! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Unitas Fratrum/Moravian Church[edit]

There is a problem both in the article on the Unitas Fratrum and the Moravian Church (as well as their mentions in the page on the Protestant Reformation). They both state that the movement started with Jan Hus. This is in error. The Moravian Church and the Unitas Fratrum both originated with Nikolaus Ludwig, Graf von Zinzendorf und Pottendorf in the 1700s. The church that followed Jan Hus (the Hussites) later split in many directions: the Ultraquists (or Calixtines), the Bohemian Brethren, the Unity of the Brethren, the Czechoslovak Hussite Church, and the Taborites.

These need to be changed ASAP.

Thank you,

-- Dgljr5121973 (talk) 03:06, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Please take this with sources to the relevant article talk pages, Unitas Fratrum etc., --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot, BWV 39[edit]

Great work on the article; the research is fantastic, and I'm sorry if I caused you any stress over the questions I had. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:48, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for a good and EASY review, - I don't know what you mean by "stress" here, compared to what I got baklava for (feel free to share, above, fingerfood, not enough forks). The cantata is one of my personal favourites, quoted on my user twice (in case you didn't see that). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

London Necropolis Company[edit]

Just thought you might be interested in this discussion: WP:AN#Legal issues with London Necropolis Company? Simply south...... fighting ovens for just 7 years 16:20, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

No, I am not, I accepted that there a reasons to be respected, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

The Mind the Gap Barnstar[edit] awarded to User:Gerda Arendt who has diligently worked to change the Conversation on Wikipedia and related projects through content contributions, outreach, community changes and related actions. Your efforts are changing the very face of Wikipedia...for the better! ```Buster Seven Talk 19:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Mind the gap1.png Mind the Gap Award
For saying the right thing, at the right time, in the right place, to the right people.

I feel honoured, but did you investigate enough? I came to consider "disruptive" a compliment ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Johann Hugo von Wilderer[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Bridge thanks[edit]

Thank you for your kind words about Plunketts Creek Bridge No. 3 - I spent time in Germany mostly along the Rhine, but have been to the Ruhrtal a few times. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Just returned from the Rhine, hiking above Lorch, no bridge there ;) - Did you know that the bridge was handled by WP:QAI? If you have other ideas for TFA, just enter there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

The "If I had the time I'd make a Wikilove thingy with a pretty picture, but I'm lazy so instead you'll have to settle for text" Barnstar[edit]

Hi Gerda,

I saw your note on my talk page. Thanks for the kind words, and for being so refreshingly pleasant and un-bitter all the time. An inspiration to us all. I'm sure I'll see you around eventually, but probably won't be for a while yet. Enjoying my time away. Cheers. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I enjoy refreshing apparitions, also I am in a good mood, after singing Bach for more than two hours, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)


Thought you would like to have a laugh. 06:26, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Kürbis hasnt spoken and Männergarten was rejected. Schnueff ;) Greetings Serten (talk) 17:03, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Count my name on ANI, what's a rejected DYK? ;) (at least the two threads were closed) - talk to puppy, perhaps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Swiss Informatics Society[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Gerda: I saw your complaint at Main Page/Errors but was busy offline, and now a new set is on the Main Page. I apologise for not getting to it in time, but I needed to see who made the change and when, as it's not a matter of accuracy so much as clarity. I have now had time to track down what happened: the hook was changed several times in prep, the final change and the one that hid the name of the organisation being this one by OhConfucius. I snuck a look at WT:DYK to see whether anyone had pointed this out and I see you did open a section there, but that no one has. The prep set was then promoted to the queue unchanged. I haven't looked at the timestamps to see whether it was moved to the queue just before the Main Page needed updating, but I note that all queues are now empty. So my hypothesis - note the carefully chosen word - would be that admins are having to hurry to upload preps to queues so that the Main Page can be updated on time and are not checking the set one more time to make sure there are no problems. I really regret that I can't participate at DYK any more; I have a good proofreading eye and because I don't do as much as most admins do, I often had time to check both the hooks and the articles one more time before I loaded the set into the queue where non-admins can no longer edit it. But I can't see any solution to the political impasse that made my withdrawal necessary, so that's that. So I suggest with many apologies, because I know you are busy too, that you make a note of which prep your next DYK is in and keep an eye on it. You may also want to talk to the editors who changed the hook wording and suggest they let the nominator know when they make major changes for the sake of style, but the edit summaries make clear that they sincerely thought they were improving the reading of the hook. (And from recent complaints at Main Page/Errors, some reviewers and promoters to preps have been letting by stilted or even not-quite-comprehensible hooks, so even better would be for wording problems to be caught and if necessary discussed at an earlier stage.) Yngvadottir (talk) 17:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to come over! I found out only after it was already on the Main page, also the several changes to the prep, without any notification (what do we have them for?). I addressed the one who did the pipe link, and the DYK talk. After an hour, at least the grammatical error was fixed. - No solution in sight, because it's lack of people. Three queues and four preps should be full all the time, then everyone involved would have time to check in time before something goes on the Main page. - I love my latest DYK, below, - the next one still needs a review, no rush, a church ;) - I don't do much on DYK, most Bach cantatas are written, my pet article (see top of the page) is growing, another long-term project on Baroque instruments started. - I miss you, - every time I pass Klopp Castle (and that is rather often) I think of you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:24, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Those were happy days, and I envy you frequently passing the castle! I miss DYK, it is a project I very much believe in and I enjoyed helping out there. But there are procedures for these things, so I must bow to them. And I do not miss that awful talk page. As regards catching things before they are on the Main Page, I do think the best answer is careful checking at all stages - nomination-checking, promotion to prep, and promotion of prep set to queue. That should mean at least 4 sets of eyes go over every article and hook, counting the nominator, and in practice far more, since there are people who like to check the preps and make improvements there, and many if not most articles are not created and nominated by a solo editor. In this case, it was both "Many cooks spoil the broth", with the best of intentions, and - my hypothesis - rushing to load the set. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:19, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


Hi Gerda,

Thank you very much for the sapphire! I greatly appreciate the encouragement; receiving your message was a great way to start the day.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 14:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Some advice[edit]

Hi Gerda, a word of advice. I think trying to start a new discussion every day at the main OP discussion page for a new article's infobox probably isn't a good idea. It's going to make the OP page huge, especially if you paste the whole box in for every single article. In 7 days the page is going to contain 7 infoboxes and take longer and longer to load, with a huge amount of white space. Perhaps more importantly, you are probably not going to get considered or constructive responses that way, and you run the risk of alienating some members by swamping the page like that. There's a lot of infobox fatigue at the moment. I am personally taking a complete vacation from the issue. I would suggest that if you want to add one a day but want to discuss it first, then host the infobox you are proposing in your user space, start a discussion on the actual talk page of the article and link to the box in your user space. Then leave a short note at the OP as a "heads up" to editors. If any of them want to comment, they'll go to the talk page of the article. If no one comments on the talk page after a while, go ahead and add the box. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't plan to start a new discussion every day, but discuss one to a satisfactory end. Joseph was disappointing. There will be no other infobox on OP until that one is discussed and archived, and I am not even adding another one to an opera article. Did you see that I took one to user space? - So thank you for the advice, but I think I took it already. (I still fail to understand how 4 vs 2 votes within one day can be called a "clear consensus". I don't feel fatigue at all, I feel great eagerness and a rush to delete. Even if you are on "vacation" for the topic, can you explain to some what replacing the bottom navbox by the side navbox means? I don't have polite words for that, - restored it anyway.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I thought when you said "first try one infobox a day", you meant start a new discussion every day about a new article's infobox. I guess you meant discuss one article and its box and then when that discussion is over, archive it and start the next one? That might work. But I still think it would be much better and more transparent for those kinds of discussions to take place on the article's talk page, with just a note on the OP page. First of all, the project as a collective isn't/can't be the one to definitively decide individual article issues like that (at least two edtitors strongly opposed at Joseph aren't OP members, for one thing). Secondly, if it's on the article's talk page, there's a much clearer permanent record of the discussion easily available to all people who edit or read the article in the future.
I can understand your disappointment re the way things are going at Joseph, but I'm afraid that's going to happen a lot. Many editors, especially in the arts, feel very strongly about the issue and they're all motivated by what they think is best for the article and the reader. As for explaining to people about footer navboxes... they understand what they are and are aware that there's duplication or overlap in some cases, but in their opinion it doesn't matter or they prefer to have the vertical navbox. By the way I think I may have found Act 1 of L'infobox infernale (tragedia lirica in 25 acts), Wikipedia's longest running opera. Quite an impressive display it is too, with several palpitating scenes and multiple renditions of "Nessuno è padrone delle voci!" sung by opposing regiments of guerrieri delle modifiche. :) Voceditenore (talk) 16:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I said "first try one infobox a day" in the morning, - you know what happened in the afternoon, and I didn't update ;) - Evening plan: when one discussion is over (and perhaps changes made to the template), start a different genre/type, - we will see. I suggest we let Louise be discussed on the OP talk in the open, from then on follow the procedure you described. Thank you for history, see below for shouting male chorus in battle, - I confess some pleasure making that known. I will not speak about editors who arrive at a scene fast, such as BWV 30, - look for baklava above, feel free to share fingerfood. You are precious, even when tired. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Company of Heaven[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

An Opera House for you![edit]

100px An Opera House for you!
Thank you for your review of Costanzo Antegnati and the extra work you put in to improve the article. I now understand what you meant by your question in the dyk review. Yes, I prefer to be coy, as these are the types of hooks that tend to draw me in. However, I truly am open to suggestions on how to create better hooks. All the best, 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 17:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Did you know that I love opera? See above for the longest running one in 25 acts ;) - Your hook was great, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I gathered you were fond of opera from perusing your talk page. 25 acts is a bit long for a casual fan such as myself, but I'm not sure that it is the number of acts that is fatiguing, but the length of performance, approaching eight years. Perhaps it wouldn't be so bad but most the acts have been repeated, even though I've heard few calls for encores. Anyway, I'll give you your own opera composer if you'll help me translate a couple German sources I found when researching Robert Leonhardt. I know just enough German to really make a mess of things. Vielen Dank! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 03:57, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Good plan, the composer. Peace in that war will take long, but worth fighting going for. I woke up thinking that an infobox is something like an articles identity card. Leonhardt has a nice one ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! I really need some help with this one. I'm hoping that it confirms his debut in 1898 in Prague, which I have seen in opera discussion groups but not in any reliable sources I can use. If you would take a look at the Unvergängliche Stimmen link I just added (reference 13) to see if I am correct in my translation/interpretation, it would also be appreciated. Last comment about infoboxes: I don't think an entry looks like a Wikipedia article without one, but I sympathize with those who complain the paramaters tend towards the complex and confusing, and paramaters such as "influenced" and "influenced by" invite edit wars. Oh, regarding the Leonhardt infobox, I have listed "German folk" as style, but do you think "volkslied" or "volkslieder" would be more appropriate? 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 18:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
For some reason, I get only the cover of the first book. For the second one I can look inside and see that he is said to be the performer with the most recordings, also that he performed "comprimario" roles at the MET after 1920. "Volkslied" is not quite right, in German it would be "Unterhaltungsmusik", I don't know if there is a good equivalent. - I would format the opera titles in italic. - Infobox: I started my thoughts, link just below, smiled a lot when I read my comments from a year ago, "my salad days" ;) - feel free to add on the talk, general comments and regarding the (so far) two cased where an infobox was thrown out, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps this link will work? (hopefully) [11] 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 19:32, 26 June 2013 (UTC) PS the section I'm interested in is directly in the middle, on the right hand column of page 158. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 19:36, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
How do I get there? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Hopefully by clicking on the "[3]" above? or here. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 19:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
As said above, that gets me to cover and table of content, but then what? (I still read books on paper, DYK?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
How very, very odd. For me it goes right to the page. I will try to copy, but the text is in Old German script, which is hard for me to read. "Evangelische Kirchen-Zeitung für Oesterreich, Volume 22" published in 1905. Prag. (Deutsche evang. Gemeinde.) Der langjährige Bresbhterfassier Ulrich Martius muste infolge andauernder Kräuslichseit dieses Umt niederlegen. Für ihn rourde Herr Robert Leonhardt zum Kassier gewählt. Die Ginfassierung der Jahres-beiträge hat Bresbuter Georg Bolrab übernommen. Kurator Thierselder, der sich um die Reform der Kassagebahrung, um das Bensions - und Lofalstatut grosse Berdienste erworben hat, wurde über Untrag des Bresbuters Dr. Kreig einstimmig der Dans und die Unerfennung des Bresbnteriums ausgesprochen. Bei den Wnhlen in die Gemeiudevertretung wurden neu gewählt: Prof. Alfred Birt, Prof. D. Berneser, Dr. Beder, Georg Loos, Ing. Giemens, D. Müller, Brediger Greiss, D. Jürgensen, Ing. Küpper, Ing. Ballauf, Ing. Donat, D. Rempfing." 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 20:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
(To make it more odd: for the other link I do get to the page.) What I understand from "Für ihn wurde Herr Robert Leonhardt zum Kassier gewählt." is that Leonhardt was elected to succeed Ulrich Martius who was chronically ill, as "Kassierer" (casher?) for the parish (responsible for money), followed by the names of people elected to parish council. - No premiere, sorry. Talking parish: here is my place of performance, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Oh well. My little bit of translation attempt hinted it was about local church politics, and probably had nothing to do with the singer. Not a total waste, as the one German source was definately useful, and I ran across a couple of useful news items that I inexplicably missed earlier (unless Google very recently added old Oregonian papers to their database), which allowed me to create a small "style" section as I had originally intended. Thanks so very much for your help! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 21:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Aw shucks[edit]

  • turns red*

Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

be proud ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


As far as I'm concerned (now), you can have an infobox where you are the main editor, assuming no consensus against it, etc. But: it might not be exactly as you want it, and I'd like not to have one without discussion first where I am a main author. Can we work with that? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

We can work this out, in fact I think I behaved that way already. I didn't dream of adding one to "your" Bach cantatas (see above under Opera house, I hate fighting), and I was tempted SO much to add one to the Company of Heaven but resisted, because you started it ;) - Can we add please to "articles where I am the main editor" those done in collaboration where I am the "infobox person" for a group (Dr. Blofeld, Riana ...)? For BWV 30, I think it's tricky to decide authorship, we leave it "your way" and talk again next year? St. John's Day is over, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Sure. Another question, while I'm here: you said you see infoboxes as an accessibility tool. Can you explain what that means to you? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Keep watching my new place for thoughts, comments on the talk please, - I am just returning and have a few other threads first, and a watch list of 10k+, no rush, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

An Opera composer for you![edit]

caption=Nicola Antonio Porpora, composer of operas An Opera composer for you!
For outstanding assitance with numerous questions, translation, and outstanding all-around wikicitizenship, I hereby award you this Opera composer award!

78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 21:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

The first musician yet in my collection, thank you, my pleasure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Question for you[edit]

In your sandbox - (I peeked) - you say that the conversation at Pilgrim at Tinker Creek converted you. I had the page on watch after reviewing for either FAC or GA, can't remember now, and others for the same editor, who is now gone. Do you believe that conversation was worth losing a productive member of the project? Perhaps two? That conversation converted me too. But differently. Victoria (talk) 23:05, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Please don't think I liked it, nor did I say so. I said one statement in it converted me. - I am sorry we lost an editor whom I liked a lot, - I accompanied the article from DYK time when she had to expand A LOT to make the 5* expansion. - No discussion would be able to make me go, worse things were not able to make me go, - people are different, react differently, and written communication is more likely to be misunderstood than spoken. I took a comment to my heart the other day, - later discovered that it was meant to be joking. Then I read other discussions and think they can't be serious, - but they are. I just commented on collaboration, remembering The Call of the Wild, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:22, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I thought about it a bit more. I believe that a good idea doesn't stop to be a good idea because people died fighting for it or against it. - I will take this to the talk of "infobox", because others will have similar questions, and here it will get archived, - I hope that's ok? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
No, I'd prefer you didn't. I haven't responded because it was late last night and have been out today. I posted here because it's a personal question. I would have posted elsewhere if I'd wanted a meta-discussion and I've had enough of those to last a year. I hope you can understand. I'm thinking about the concept of allowing people to die for an infobox. Will get back to you. My kneejerk reaction is that we don't have enough editors on the ground to go around killing them, but I could be quite wrong about that. Thinking and will follow up later. Victoria (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
The question is now very general and not personal, is that acceptable? It IS a good question! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't have a concept of "allowing people to die" for whatever. But there are ideas that people become martyrs for. People died for Christianity of various denominations. Does it make Christianity a less valuable concept? - This is of course a bad example. The infobox is nothing to get passionate about, if you ask me, but I see people doing just that, - quite strange. I like to collaborate with editors from both sides ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry Gerda, I regret having started this. I don't feel well at the moment - as Giano says, I'm an unwell Wikipedian, and in this case I don't like having posts that I add in one place moved elsewhere. I believe there's something about that in policy but can't be bothered to look. You've answered and now I know. Victoria (talk) 22:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Don't regret, I try to understand. If you prefer the question not asked at all (it's without a name and shortened, I will remove it. My comments were moved to article talks many times, that's what I am used to. I hope you will feel better! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

ANI (Wagner talk page)[edit]

Information icon Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Smerus (talk) 16:00, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne, - didn't you say you wanted to stop something, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 28 June 2013 (UTC)


Thanks so much for the award. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to do anything as awesome as the 1907 Tiflis Bank Robbery these days, but I try to keep helping out. Remember (talk) 17:57, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for St. Andreas, Düsseldorf[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 19:22, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Rudolf von Beckerath Orgelbau[edit]

Started..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, will look, after watchlist and ANI, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Much of the article is not really relevant to the company though, it belongs in his biography...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:39, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I would think it makes sense to split the two, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Alkan, for info[edit]

Now up for FA. Best, --Smerus (talk) 12:59, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Great! Will look. Was rehearsing B minor, will perform "Te lucis ante terminum" (Balfour Gardiner) etc now, continue B minor tomorrow. - The last time I performed "O Freunde", the soloist improvised and got it all wrong ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gerhard Faulstich[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 10:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you...[edit]

... for your kind words. You made my day! --Tone 16:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox musical composition[edit]

I thought you may be helpful with clarifying the parameters of Template:Infobox musical composition. Hyacinth (talk) 10:49, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

It's on my to-do-list, please give me a day or two, - perhaps compare the better developed {{Infobox Bach composition}}. Musical composition came from two sources, "Album" and the other, explaining the inconsistent naming of parameters, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Re: Precious[edit]

Danke für die Blumen! That just made my day. :) De728631 (talk) 13:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

The kafkaesque process[edit]


I tried to rv Special:Contributions/'s Prozesses, but only got a couple and missed MOST of them. I'm unfamiliar with the spelling dispute, but if de:Der Process and en:The Trial agree, and both find it notable enough to mention in the intro, that's good enough for me.--R.S. Peale (talk) 07:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

It also shows on the cover of the first publication ;) - Welcome! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Franz Kafka works[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


Gachala Emerald 3526711557 849c4c7367.jpg My precious
Congratulations on the Franz Kafka TFA!! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Beautiful! Do you also give one to PumpkinSky? He also reached 100 DYK today with a triple, - you of all people would be the one to give him that award (I did 25) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Schauspielhaus Wuppertal[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


Congrats to you and Pumpkinsky - you must be very excited! You'll get lots of hits - I missed the Brothers Grimm 200th anniversary and to my surprise had a huge surge in page views. But I think it's brilliant that you've managed to get this to the front page today in conjunction with google's commemoration. I see a lot of people are tending too, which helps. Anyway, well done to the two of you! Victoria (talk) 16:33, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Victoria, I appreciate "a well done" from you who looked diligently and helped a lot. Actually, I am not excited, vandalism was moderate so far. Many of Kafka's works need improvement, - I did not quite get as far as I had hoped in that respect. At the moment I work on the opera Bluthochzeit, recently performed in the Opernhaus Wuppertal, which came with the Schauspielhaus just above, from one red link to the next ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
I could spend more time than I care to think about working on Hemingway's works. At one time I thought I could finish them, but one loses interest and as you say moves from one red link to the next. I think the page is holding up very well - having TFA when the visual editor goes live is an awful combination. I had my first TFA the night pending changes went live and it wasn't a fun experience. Personally I dislike TFA, the reason I don't take as many articles to FAC as I should, but I really do think this was well thought out and reflects well on WP. Enjoy your other work. Victoria (talk) 16:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Let me not speak about the visual editor ;) (I made two edits, the first and the last.) Thanks for watching Kafka! - I like to work with live editors, Andy for the theatres and Voceditenore for the opera, very enjoyable company, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes, congratulations on that Gerda. Well done! And thanks for listing me as coauthor of Kafka's works - I think my contribution was fairly marginal, not to mention unaware. Thanks and keep up the great work!User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:43, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
    • Thanks Victoria and Maunus! It was a team effort for sure. PumpkinSky talk 22:20, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


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Franz Kafka all time top TFA!!![edit]

[13] 768,586 hits
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/Most viewed
YEE HAW, CONGRATS GERDA PumpkinSky talk 01:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Wow! That is amazing!User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Gerda, Guten Morgen, input here please PumpkinSky talk 02:48, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Der Morgen ist gut! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
ps: Franz Kafka works made the DYKstats, my first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
DOUBLE CONGRATS! PumpkinSky talk 10:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Wow that's impressive! I wonder why it had more hits than any though!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:01, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
didn't you use google yesterday? link to press on top of my user ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
I use Firefox which has a search bar in the top right corner and have google books built into my wiki itinery and other websites like youtube and ebay I regularly are in the url bar section so no, I rarely see the home search page of google.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:12, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Unlike this Main page, the "doodle" appears on the top left of every (!) search, - read that article, it has a good image, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:14, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations to you both for this impressive result. I still say that this is one of the best FA's on the encyclopaedia. -- CassiantoTalk 11:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
thank you, that means a lot from you, writer of excellent ones, - plus you saying this about one with an infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
I know! I had to go and have a lie down after saying that ;) Not even an infobox could ruin this one for me. -- CassiantoTalk 00:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Casasianto. We really appreciate that. I also think Yogo sapphire is quite good. PumpkinSky talk 11:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
It is. This article brings back fond memories for me. -- CassiantoTalk 00:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
"Logic may indeed be unshakeable, but it cannot withstand a woman who is determined to live. Where was the judge she had never seen? Where was the High Court she had never reached? She raised her hands and spread out all her fingers. But the hands of one of the men closed round her throat, just as the other drove the knife deep into her heart and turned it twice." Only kidding... congrats "Gerda K". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
"determined", yes (remember my red cat?) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
  • 👍 Like Hugs! Montanabw(talk) 17:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
  • What, almost a million hits... How does that feel, Gerda? Drmies (talk) 03:00, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


Greetings. I noticed an edit by you in this article, on 27 August 2012, that commented out a large block of text concerning the dispute over control of the university's insignia/emblem and the end of the university in the context of the Second World War. Reviewing the text that was commented out, it looks like it was machine-translated and could use copy-editing and the addition of citations. I intend to clean up the missing section in the next week or two and restore it to the article. My source for a better translation will come the German Wikipedia version of the article, supplemented by any citations I can locate. I'll let you know when I am done so that, if you wish, you can verify the accuracy of my translation. W. B. Wilson (talk) 09:10, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Very considerate, thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Hook needs work[edit]

Please see bottom of DYK talk. Tony (talk) 02:13, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


I have a question, Ms. Arendt. You say that you object to uncivil actions more than to uncivil words. What are uncivil actions on Wikipedia? Wikipedia is a verbal medium. What are uncivil actions? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Blocking, for example? Remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Do you mean that you were unfairly blocked, or that PumpskinSky was unfairly blocked, or what? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:58, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Also, when you wrote: "Woman speaking: I mind incivil action much more than incivil words", did you mean that some editors wouldn't know that Gerda is a female name? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I have no time for this. Look at my actions and words and find the answers. (Thank you for quoting me correctly now, I said "mind", not "object", but was too tired to object last night,) In short: civility is more a matter of attitude than certain words. People (not talking anyone specifically, nor any block specifically) can be incivil using the politest words, and civil using rude words. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Peace Barnstar Hires.png The Barnstar of Diplomacy
You have plenty of barnstars, but I still don't think you receive the recognition that you deserve. Cheers! Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:19, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, appreciated, You made my day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you.[edit]

Thank you for the recognition and my precious! EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for your comment on my talk page. I don't keep a record of past barnstars, but yours is my favorite one. SL93 (talk) 06:56, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I guess my record keeping will start from now. SL93 (talk) 06:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Keep going, a pleasure to meet you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Reverting my edits one after another[edit]

You are going through my edits reverting them one after another. How many have you done now? I can't count them all. This is the latest one. [14]. There really is no valid reason for putting duplicate material on articles. Why not at least stop what you doing and explain why you think all these Verdi opera articles need two 95% identical navboxes? Or is it easier to edit war than to explain? I think it's sad that you should be doing this. Is this really what you intended to do when you started to contributed to Wikipedia — to edit war? --Kleinzach 07:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I just got tired of reverting. I didn't go through your edits by my watchlist. ("reverting ... one after another" seemed kind of familiar.) I will discuss on the project, as you should have done before making the changes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
See Talk:Macbeth_(opera)#Two_navboxes_with_the_same_content. I have referred your other Verdi changes to that page. You might also like to check Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle which explains the process. It's not BRR as many people seem to think. --Kleinzach 08:20, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
I replied Macbeth and all the others. I restored a template that someone else added in March, which you reverted without discussion. So? Central discussion on project opera, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Kleinzach, the reality is that most people, myself included, see nav boxes as a constructive way to connect articles on a given topic. Please stop irritating people with your pettiness towards navboxes and get on with something. If there isn't an option in preference to hide nav boxes there should be to suit editors such yourself you obviously don't like them.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bluthochzeit[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


Good gracious! Why was I so nervous about asking you to look at the "controversies" of the Britten article! Though Humbert Humbert he wasn't. Your two opera articles are models of what such articles should be. Best, Tim riley (talk) 22:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Controversies? - Don't call the operas "my" articles, both are collaborations, as the opera house. I love it, what do you think of improving Falstaff? Gianni Schicchi is already FA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Germanic bodyguard[edit]

Thanks Gerda - you're a tremendous encourager, like Barnabas! Bermicourt (talk) 07:40, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Men's parking space[edit]