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DYK for British and Colonial Films

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Help !

I was in the process of putting together an article on Jeff Allen - drummer with Hello, East of Eden, Babe Ruth, Snowy White, Bonnie Tyler, Mick Taylor and Van Morrison etc. Or so I thought. However the timelines for Hello and East of Eden almost completely overlap, which set off alarm bells, and I was brought up short by this article,[1] which omits mention of Hello. I think there might be two separate drummers from the same era with the same name, but which is which ? Allmusic here [2] has seemingly led me astray. Mind you, I am easily led astray, my wife says so. It does not help that American Jeff Allen's appear in both sport and music, but I can tell these apart. The two British boys have been stumped. If there are two, which was born 23 April 1946, Matlock, Derbyshire, and which is the brother of Chris Cross ? What a bugger's muddle - can you shed any light ? Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The problem as I see it is that there's this site called Wikipedia that puts up all sorts of "information" that's unreferenced and then gets copied verbatim by all sorts of other sites so that no-one knows what's actually true and what isn't. When I first saw the second picture here I thought, yes, he could be the same person as this. But, apparently, he isn't - at least according to this - where Chris Cross of Ultravox - originally Chris Allen - says that he is the brother of the Jeff Allen of Hello, who is now a postman in Harpenden, and who is not the same as the Jeff Allen of East of Eden. Seems fairly definitive, but probably not strictly a WP:RS. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
PS: Where does Matlock come into it? Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
The date and place of birth comes from Hello's article. As you have stated, this is also unreferenced, so could easily apply to either person (or maybe neither). Actually, to be fair, even if it was "reliably sourced", it is easy to see how the two individual's have been muddled up. I very nearly added to the mess (as per your first sentence). If the Matlock boy is Ultravox's brother (Chris Cross, 1952, Tottenham), then the family seemingly moved from the idylls of the Peak District to The Smoke within five/six years. Or not, as the case may be. Anyhow, I am somewhat closer than I was, so thanks again. On a completely separate issue, I see Norman Wisdom has died.... all together now; "Mr. Grimsdale..."
PS. I do not know if I'm back, back, in the "New York Groove", visiting "Vienna" or having a "Jig-a-Jig". Either way, it beats working for a living.
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Soul forefathers

Note that the two wikipedia articles for Sam Cooke and Jackie Wilson provide plenty of citations for them being forefathers of Soul. However for the sake of elegance and brevity, I just included the links to those pages that indicate that Sam Cooke was known as the King of Soul and that Berry Gordy saw Jackie Wilson's voice as a template for his singer's. Including the citations to those two mentions would have been out of place without mentioning those elements within the article, but the articles themselves provide plenty of supporting evidence for the brief mention that the short preface to discussion of primary soul performers merits.71.102.14.207 (talk) 12:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. However, I think that the guidance at WP:CITE still suggests that references should be cited in the Soul music article itself, even if it duplicates other articles. The article - like many other music articles - is sorely lacking reliable references, particularly where statements are made which could easily be challenged. Although I agree that both Wilson and Cooke were very important figures, I'm sure that others could come up with other names as well, and it's better to provide citations in such cases. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
as per WP:CITE its not likely that Sam Cooke and Jackie Wilson being mentioned as forefathers of Soul is likely to be challenged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.14.207 (talk) 13:14, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
It's not worth arguing over - my point is that any unreferenced statements are liable to be deleted - not by me, but possibly by others who may take a different view. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:14, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Sting thread

You deleted my comment. You probably didn't mean to, but there we are. --Viennese Waltz 09:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for reinstating it so speedily. --Viennese Waltz 09:19, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Fred Evans (comedian)

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Kathy & Carol

Yes MOJO's got a lot to answer for! Nice work in expanding it. Good album, perhaps a little twee for my tastes but well worth hearing. I would suggest that a DYK tagline could read...did you know that Kathy & Carol released their sophomore album 45 years after their debut? yorkshiresky (talk) 12:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Good one. Personally I hate the word "sophomore", but I can see that in this context it makes sense. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Kathy and Carol

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Geography of Monmouthshire

Perhaps I'm being dim (?) but I haven't seen an article or indeed a section dealing with this topic - nor for that matter its geology. Knowing that you have an interest I wanted to learn your thoughts on the subject - certainly before I began work on anything. There would be merit in introducing a section within the Monmouthshire article though there's the question as to whether to refer principally to the historic county or the modern of course. cheers Geopersona (talk) 11:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree that something should be done - ideally, sections in the articles on both the historic county and the modern local government area. As a comparison, there are sections in both Glamorgan and Cardiff on Geography - there is also a brief section in Newport, but not in Blaenau Gwent or Torfaen. I don't feel very motivated to launch into it myself at the moment, but I'll be happy to comment if you want to start something off. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Brenda Lee Eager

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Lovely picture

That's a delightful photo of you on your user page. How old were you when it was taken? Don't worry I won't ask you the year.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

About 9-ish I should think. Just about the time this local band used to play down the road. (And my age is no secret!) Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Did you ever see them?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
No - too young. Actually, I always thought they were massively lucky and over-rated. Wings put on their first ever public show one lunchtime when I was at Nottingham University, but I couldn't be bothered to go along even though I was in the next building! Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I have the answer after reading your page. You said you were the first person in Exeter to buy the Sex Pistols LP; well, my ex-husband was the first person in his Dublin neighbourhood of Clontarf to buy a copy! It led to a falling-out between he and the dad of his best friend, who had bought himself a copy after listening to my husband playing it.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:15, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
It was the single I bought the day it came out - by the time the album came out they were very passé! Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I had the LP. I saw a good punk band The Skids live in London back in 1980.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:02, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

renaming

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Johnny Dyer

Thanks for the additional link you added. I was not sure that such a blatant commercial website was admissible, but I could not find an album review related website that cited the Muddy Waters connection, without trying to sell me a copy of it ! Cheers anyway,

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You could take it out after it's gone through DYK.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

hi—just wanted to mention

I mentioned an edit that you made. It is no big deal, I don't think. But I just thought I should tell you that I mentioned you and your edit in another context. It is here. Bus stop (talk) 18:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

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Gregory Isaacs

You are right that the sources give his age at death as 59; but my records show that he was 60. Not worth worrying about - perhaps a lengthy definitive obituary might unearth more info.

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A favour (another one)

Could I ask another favour of you. I presently have six articles at DYK. They are Dan Sane, James Armstrong (musician), Laura Smith (blues singer), Cash McCall (musician), Duke Henderson and Lottie Kimbrough. I am away at Cropton (in the pub in front of the brewery) from Friday to Monday 8 November inclusive. My birthday is the 6th, so it should be a bit of a do ! Could I prevail on you to keep an eye of these and, if possible, answer any queries that may arise on them. Ideally, I would not want to return home to find I am 'out of time' on any of them. No big deal, of course, and I apprecaite that you may well have better things to do. Many thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

As you are rapidly catching me up here perhaps I should be trying to thwart you - but I'm (usually) a nice person, so I won't. Have a good time! Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:24, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

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Confusing indeed. Mind you this whole flag conversation is becoming increasingly bizarre and perhaps imposible. Paul B (talk) 16:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lloyd Morain

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The Zombies

Oops, how could I have overlooked The Zombies with Colin Blunstone. The reason I had presumed Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple were less popular in the UK was that when I was in England in the mid-1970s most people didn't make such a big deal about them, whereas in the Staes they were HUGE. Along with Black Sabbath.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Albert Watts

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DYK for Charles Watts (secularist)

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Walk On By

What I mean is that the writers are not known as Bacharach and David. There is no Bacharach and David article as there is, say, Holland–Dozier–Holland or Lennon/McCartney. They are Burt Bacharach and Hal David, and the disambiguator should be full names. Where else are last names only used? --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 17:46, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. You provide a good example. However, Gilbert and Sullivan are well known as Gilbert and Sullivan. Maybe because Bacharach has had so much success on his own or with other writing partners besides Hal David, I never hear of Bacharach and David referred to as such, but as Burt Bacharach and Hal David. Although, I did notice there is the musical Back to Bacharach and David, which goes to your point of possibly needing an article for the team. Cheers. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 18:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Michel Esteban

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Wondrous Place

Can I ask you another favour. This song title may, or may not, have an 'A' before it. I did not think it did; the current Wiki article omits it; as does the British Hit Singles & Albums book (although to be fair, for brevity it probably would). It is not a big deal, except for about the third time in as many months, another editor insists of calling the song "A Wondrous Place", which rather makes a mess of the existing article and wikilinks thereto.

I like evidence such as this [3], but conversely still shudder about my "Need Your Love So Bad" experience. User:Peaksoft cites MCPS which may be perfectly valid too, but I am getting tired at this hour to explore further. Either way, it perhaps needs a third opinion. Thanks,

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DYK for Marie et les Garçons

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Wales

The Wales Barnstar
For your continual help in all things Welsh, but especially for your support in getting Wales to GA status. Diolch. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


I'd like to add my thanks for your input and encouragement. It was invaluable. Daicaregos (talk) 22:25, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you - though it's only fair to say that my involvement has been minimal compared to others. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:19, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

The Monkees

I'm pleased to learn that the Monkees did actually sing on their records. There is another persistant urban myth surrounding The Monkees. It's the false claim that Charles Manson was one of those who had auditioned when they were casting The Monkees. In 1966, the time they were seeking actors for the programme, Manson was in jail! The myth persists, in spite of this fact.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, although Steve Stills did audition, but dropped out "partially because his already-thinning hair and bad teeth made him look too old for the part..."  ! - [4] Stills recommended his former room-mate Peter Tork for the role. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

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Running in the Family

Greetings from god's own country. My wife, who is investigating these things (à la Who Do You Think You Are?), informs me this afternoon that I had, wait for it .... a Great Grandma Fanny. Beat that !

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United Kingdom

Howdy G. In future, if ya got a beef with my actions, bring it to my talkpage. GoodDay (talk) 06:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hedd Wyn

I did not appreciate being misrepresented by you yesterday. It may well be that I am wrong on this issue (although I am not convinced of it), but there is no call for you to be disingenuous in order to make a point. I am unsure whether your statement here that "… "Welsh literature" written within the UK - whether in Welsh or in English - is still "British literature"." is irrelavent to the discussion at Hedd Wyn or not. If so, perhaps you would care to strike it out, or amend it. Nevertheless, it is not irrelavent to ask why someone says something should be done in one way, yet chooses to do something themselves in another (must be a word for that; care to define it?). Please be kind enough to explain why Hedd Wyn should be noted as both Welsh and British because, in your view "in articles like this one, it is a neutral statement, and helpful to readers worldwide, to allude to the fact that Wales - as well as being a country in its own right - is part of the UK.", yet that 'neutral' statement, 'helpful to readers worldwide', was not mentioned when you created this page (and it still doesn't mention it). Nor is there any mention that " "Welsh literature" written within the UK - whether in Welsh or in English - is still "British literature" " on either the Welsh-language literature or the Welsh literature in English articles, both of which you have edited. Any chance of an explanation? Daicaregos (talk) 16:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

You are the person who first alluded to Welsh literature - [5] - not me, so I merely responded to you. If you would like to improve the articles on Welsh literature, feel free to do so. My intention at Hedd Wyn was simply to try to find a solution that both you and Varlaam could accept - I obviously failed. C'est la vie - I won't be losing sleep over it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:13, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Tell me, Ghmyrtle, could any genre be defined as Welsh, without also having to say British, in your opinion. Daicaregos (talk) 19:41, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
One film is not equivalent to a "genre". Where there is any potential for confusion (to a global, not necessarily very well-informed readership), I tend towards giving more information, rather than less. But I recognise that the political / cultural message of that particular film makes that approach contentious to some. We simply have different views as to where the neutral point of view lies, in that case. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:06, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
I had thought it a direct question. Obviously, it did not deserve a direct answer. Please tell me, Ghmyrtle, could any thing be defined as Welsh on Wikipedia, without also having to say British, in your opinion. Daicaregos (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, of course. I'm really not interested in responding any further to your interrogation. We have different views - it's no big deal. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bristol Festival of Ideas

Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Chris Strachwitz

Materialscientist (talk) 18:04, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you so much for creating the article on ZE Records' "A Christmas Record". A wikipedia article on the album has been long overdue. You did an excellent job!!! --Sliv812 (talk) 02:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

A Child's Christmas in Wales

Ta for the addition. I see you also have a possible Christmas DYK. Interesting article. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I had to double check that there hadn't already been an article on the Dylan Thomas work - it's amazing that there hadn't been! Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:51, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
I was the same, there was a deleted article in 2006, which was just a cut and paste of the poem, so maybe that scared people off. Hope you find it an acceptable attempt, it really needs an expand on the style portion which I find week relying on a single source. FruitMonkey (talk) 00:20, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Lincoln Chase

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for A Christmas Record

Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

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Happy happy

Happy new year, Guy! Thanks for all the sources and help you provided for the articles I initiated. ~ Elitropia (talk) 20:19, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Hyperion

Yes, that's the one. Well done Ghmyrtle. Have you read it? Fred DeSoya (talk) 20:24, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Astronauts (band)

Thanks from the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 02:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Now, I know it's not a race, but... I make this your 79 DYK, one ahead of myself :). At the rate of DYKs you are posting recently I think you will nab that 100 badge before me. Then again the new rule coming in will slow a few people down, myself included. Congrats. FruitMonkey (talk) 10:04, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Hmm.. I only make it 73, unless you're counting nominations as well as creations/expansions. Anyway, it's one of my new year resolutions to slow down, if not stop completely! Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Blues

Not my style of doing things, but hey... I'll be back in a couple of days, so I hope any discussion stays amicable between now and then. Happy new year. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:31, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

No reason for it not to be amicable. I don't take offence easily. Though, reverting has never been my favourite form of editing. I've restored to the correct use of the term as the reason given for reverting is not neccessary. See Wikipedia:Don't revert due to "no consensus", and also Wikipedia:Reverting. The blues is the form that appears to be widely used when discussing the blues. I did a little research before making the move, and I also checked back in the archives to see if this had previously been discussed. It looks to me as though "blues" has been used as the title incorrectly, and others reading the article have simply assumed that the person naming it "blues" did so because there was a valid reason which they didn't know about. If there are valid reasons for calling it "blues" then it would be worth presenting them so a discussion can take place. SilkTork *YES! 18:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
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