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My recent edition about ruyi jingu bang[edit]

Actually the item "monkey king bar" in Dota2 is real based on ruyi jingu bang but I don't have reliable source to prove it because there is no scholar source to describe every item in this computer game. The only source I have is this website [1] which is a website to describe game dota2. I guess this source may not be accepted by wikipedia. Another thing is this item is translated as "jingu bang" in Chinese version of this game. This is all I want to clarify. You can check the website and determine whether to accept this edition. Miracle dream (talk)

Another wiki is not considered a valid source. Do you know of a book or magazine that mentions that the weapon is based on Monkey's staff? --Ghostexorcist (talk) 01:34, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I cannot find books or magazine to prove this. Actually, I got this information from Chinese version of dota2. The Chinese version of this game translated it as "Jingu bang". This is all I can offer. I only find some online forum about it.Miracle dream (talk)

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Martial myths[edit]

Hey, Ghostexorcist. Thanks for fighting the good fight against martial myths being presented as historical fact on Wikipedia. Sometimes I feel like it's a lost cause, but whenever I see your name in the talk page for a Chinese martial arts article, I know at least one person knows better. Difference engine (talk) 19:23, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

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Buddhism in Philippines[edit]

Good to find someone interested. Lets begin with a small correction to your profile. Sun Wukong is not from Journey to the West. He is a character in the novel.

The actual story is far older and based on the from the 7th century. Sun Wukong is in temple art long before the novel.

When I say there is a man on a lion with his hair in a bun that is a fact supported with a picture.

When I say Manjusri rides a lion, that is research by others on the page for Manjursi.

When I say and in this photo I can see a pig, turtle, monkey horses...this is a claim backed by photo.

When I say these same characters appear in the Journey West, it is a sourced research on other pages.

So I do not original research.

If I take a picture in a church of the Madonna and Child, it is not original research. I am free to say that to me this looks like a woman and her child.

Can you see a pig, turtle, monkey, horses, a man with his hair in a bun on a lion?

If I presented you with a 1000 year old picture of Madonna and Child would you say...well I cannot clearly see her DNA so how can claim it is that specific woman?

If you doubt my conclusion, do you have another idea why these people built a huge scaffold to paint a pig?

Where are you located? I return to the temple sites soon.

I will give you two contacts

Larry Pronto from National Museum

Maryrose Palanca-Caabay Palawan Culture and History

Sunday I plan to return to the cave to get a better photo of the characters.

Philip Maise

Happy independence day from the Philippines Pbmaise (talk) 06:16, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I am familiar with the narrative and history of the novel. It is only very loosely based on Xuanzang’s travel record, and at no point does Sun Wukong appear in the monk’s account. Therefore, I’m correct in saying that Monkey is from the novel because he isn’t associated with any other story arc. Even the earliest cave paintings of him from the Yulin complex (circa 11th-century) show him with his master and the white horse. The oral tradition that spawned such paintings eventually coalesced into the earliest printed version of the novel during the 13th-century. It differs wildly from the final Ming version. For example, Monkey fights with two different kinds of staves, one of which is a monk’s staff gifted to him by Vaisravana.
The WP:OR page says the following: “The phrase ‘original research’ (OR) is used … to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.” You are presenting material that has yet to be presented in a reliable publication. This is the very definition of original research. Regarding your pictures, the aforementioned page states: “Original images created by a Wikipedian are not considered original research, so long as they do not illustrate or introduce unpublished ideas or arguments.” You are using the pictures as proof of your “unpublished ideas”. Again, this fits the definition of original research.
The pictures are of such poor quality that it’s impossible to tell what the figures are. You claim to see a pig, turtle, monkey, and some dragons or horses. I see blobs of color. Saying that they are characters from the novel doesn’t make it true. That’s why a published expert analysis with clear pictures of the paintings needs to be cited. If you can’t provide such evidence, then the material needs to be removed. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 05:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Exactly! “Original images created by a Wikipedian are not considered original research, so long as they do not illustrate or introduce unpublished ideas or arguments.”

You claim I am introducing an unpublished idea or argument....however neglect to state what idea or argument I introduce. I see no new introduced unpublished idea or argument.

If I said these photos are evidence martians riding lions visited the area hundreds of years ago...then that would have introduced something. Wikipedia pages abound with descriptions that Buddhism existed in S.E. Asia. Further that traders operated in the area, and the Philippines had a buddhist population.

Let me ask the question again.


Do you see something that looks like a man with his hair in a bun riding a lion?

I never knew of all of the Buddhist history until I saw what ever one now clearly sees. Are you looking at the highest res version on a computer or low res on a cell phone. It is a pretty high standard you set that 1000+ old cave paintings should be perfect as a modern photo of an actual turtle.

See highest res at

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tabon_Cave_2014_03.JPG

By showing this picture I am helping to build content supporting the research and experts that claim Buddhism was present.Pbmaise (talk) 12:47, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I have already stated what I think is original research: the claim that the images in the cave portray characters from the novel. You have provided your own opinion on the matter instead of citing an expert analysis from a paper. You can't deny that this is original research because throughout the Tabon Cave article you wrote: “American tourist named Philip Maise…realized”, “This Buddhist themed mural was found in the cave by Maise in 2013” and “Maise concluded”. You are Philip Maise and this is your discovery; the paintings have not appeared in a published article; therefore, this is original research.
No, I do not see a man riding a lion. Without the crudely drawn lines (made presumably in Windows Paint), I probably wouldn’t even know what the picture was supposed to be. But even if the image was clearer, I’ve seen many images of Manjusri and none of these portray him riding his lion like a horse. Even a quick google image search doesn’t show any paintings or sculptures of the Bodhisattva with arms out holding bridles. At best, the image you are referring to is a warrior riding a horse. A bun is generally a part of the iconography for the Buddha, not a bodhisattva. In Buddhist art, Bodhisattvas are usually depicted with crowns.
I am an anthropologist and art historian with knowledge of cave paintings. I’ve been in the field and seen ancient cave paintings up close. I know the rough kind of condition that such pieces can be in. But I also know what a properly photographed cave painting looks like and the examples you have provided aren’t it. They are poorly lit and shot from a distance. Even the supposedly high definition picture you directed me to isn’t enough to verify whether or not the images are of characters from the novel. I’m looking at it on a 4K screen, which has the best resolution on the market at the moment.
Again, I have already stated what I think is original research: the claim that the images in the cave portray characters from the novel. you can’t provide information from a published paper on the subject, I’m going to remove the material. I’ll gladly contact a Wikipedia mediator about this if you would like. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 14:24, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
You wrote: I have already stated what I think is original research: the claim that the images in the cave portray characters from the novel.

We have made great progress. Are we in both agreement the first "painting" appears to be a man with his hair in a bun riding a lion horse style?

I agree I searched for other images similar, however, the Philippines in 700-900 ad wasnt internet ready and no artist there saw images in other temples. Did Buddhists carry around their digital cameras to show locals how to illogically seat someone sideways on a traveling lion?

It is more credible this is real because it isnt a copy of something the artist couldnt see.

I do want a moderator and will meet again the director of the Palawan Council of Culture on Tuesday. Please provide moderators name.

Lets make sure we both agree on my claim....


I absolutely do not under any circumstance claim they are images from characters in the novel.

These images pre-date the novel. Are you being open about Buddhism and realize it is older than the 17th century novel?

I claim that the images appear to be animals and a man riding a lion...further

A. this combination of animals is supporting evidence that B. other researchers are right about their conclusions C. found in many journals and referenced on many other pages crosslinked to this one D. wherein they claim Buddhism was practiced in the Philippines E. That was before the novel was written F. That was before Kodak pictures showed how other artists protrayed Manjusri

My friend please accept I have an advantage in my conclusion this looks like a man riding a lion. The 10 meter high bust of Manjusri I found at the ruined temple along with a lion dog is very real. I am not willing to release the busts image until the National Museumn and Palawan Council have the site secured.

You will see the scale as I am photographed standing infront.

Question: Would a large troop attack and kill a pig? That is what it sounded like when I was at temple site 3. I travel with armed guard at these sites, but the reason is a different bipedal.

Again, I am trying to get a most special person from the Bishop Museum here to meet my yacht on next trip. He is over 90 and I care more about pre-Buddhist temple areas. The transition between construction technique confirms Faxian's claims to have begun on a Persian ship. Elements in construction match Petra.

Yes there is far far more for me to show the world. Someday, someday I hope to release my most stunning find. However, I will never allow even the name of the Country I found it to be known. That finds location will die with me.

ps Guess who has a Cannon 600 Camera and is headed to shore to get on a 4 hour bus ride because some will not accept the current best image of a pig, a turtle, and a monkey in light green crouched on the neck of a cloud horse. Pbmaise (talk) 22:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I’m not agreeing the image is of a man riding on an animal of any kind. The picture is too degraded to tell what it is. It could just be oxidation stains for all I know. That is why an expert analysis is needed.
I don’t know the mediator by name. The person will be appointed by Wikipedia once they have been contacted about our ongoing conversation. I will contact them shortly.
You do claim the images (if they really are animals) are characters from the novel. You state: “The animals depicted in the paintings match the main fictionalized characters from the tale Journey to the West … The monkey, Sun Wukong, is to the right of the black line. Right of him may be Princess Iron Fan.” You keep saying in our discussion that the images predate the novel, yet you state "these have not yet been dated" on Buddhism in the Philippines. So, in reality, we can't say for sure how old the images are since they haven't been carbon dated yet.
I would also like to add the image of the skull and the elephants are also original research unless they have been published in an article analyzing the cave. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 04:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Here is the mediation link. Please follow it and add your name and information at the bottom. Thanks. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 06:07, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
It was a 15.5 hour round trip to the caves and back yesterday. I have machine shop, immigration, and meetings with cultural department and coast guard today. primary concern for us is not posting these images, rather it is digging activities by bipeds at a temple area in a Muslim area. I was pleased to see the National Museum has roped off access to the mold on the gave that is more complete than I have yet shown. Security is also now armed and there are several dogs posted. Further these works are in an upper cave and to get to that a visitor at night also has a new gate to contend with. During the day, no one can get within 1 kilometer of the caves without first going to Museum in town, then clearance and check of bags by coast guard. Incorporation of an armed military check point was a great idea.

The images are far larger than you may have imagined. Further not flat. Monkey is about 3 meters tall.

These are still minor items, if artifacts, compared to what we do not show.

Yes they predate the novel by maybe a full thousand years IF they are Buddhist. We know when Buddhism ended in the area because we known the approximate date of conversion to Muslim when Arab traders took the place of Indonesian.

I will work on text to include 58 may could or might. I also need to incorporate the china.

The Chinese were terrible sailors at this time but made good china. Thank you for moderation. If you really are who you seem to be..the Palau incident. Pbmaise (talk) 23:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I can say with complete confidence that, if they do portray characters connected with Journey to the West, the paintings are not 1000 years old. This is because Zhu Bajie and Sha Wujing were later additions to the story line. The oldest known cave paintings (mentioned above) only show Monkey, Xuanzang, and a white horse. None of the 11th and 12th-century references to the story mention either Zhu Bajie or Sha Wujing. Plus, they both don't appear in the 13th-century version of the novel (nor does Manjusri). I've written about the evolution of Sha Wujing here. You should look up English translations of this early version. It can be found in Victor H. Mair, The Columbia Anthology of Traditional Chinese Literature (New York: Columbia University Press, 1994), pp. 1181-1207. The point I'm trying to make here is that you clearly haven't done any background research on the history of the novel, so you can't be claiming undated paintings represent characters from the story line. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 01:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
I have moved our discussion to the article talk page in preparation for a third party opinion. See the page for the link.--Ghostexorcist (talk) 14:34, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Voting for the Military history WikiProject Historian and Newcomer of the Year is ending soon![edit]

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Time is running out to voting for the Military Historian and Newcomer of the year! If you have not yet cast a vote, please consider doing so soon. The voting will end on 31 December at 23:59 UTC, with the presentation of the awards to the winners and runners up to occur on 1 January 2017. For the Military history WikiProject Coordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:02, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

This message was sent as a courtesy reminder to all active members of the Military History WikiProject.

March Madness 2017[edit]

G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:

  • tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
  • updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
  • creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found here for those that are interested, and members can sign up as participants at that page also.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.

For the Milhist co-ordinators. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) & MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election[edit]

Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

ArbCom 2017 election voter message[edit]

Scale of justice 2.svg Hello, Ghostexorcist. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting[edit]

As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:36, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

User group for Military Historians[edit]

Greetings,

"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2017 (UTC)