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Can you help me out?[edit]

Giano: I intend to write up Pope's villa, probably with a section on Pope's grotto, and definitely with a second section on the Victorian Tudor house on roughly the same site called Pope's Villa. I have enough sources to make a tidy start, but you undoubtedly have access to far more sources, and your expertise in architecture (and taste) obviously far outshine most. So if I create the article, would you be willing to improve it? Or would you rather do it yourself? Yngvadottir (talk) 02:00, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

  • Yes, of course I will. You start it off and then I'll come along and interfere. Giano (talk) 07:15, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Lovely. I'll do so as soon as work permits. Yngvadottir (talk) 08:42, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Drmies started it; I've laid down the basics. The Pope's Grotto redirect is capitalised. I have a bunch of JSTOR references, but must now go all too briefly to bed, and later have work. Have at, please. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:06, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
That one article, the one about the iconography, I could not see the second and third pages of that chapter, which is where the whole thing is most likely described in a way that suits our encyclopedic purposes. If need be, if we really want to make something out of it, I'll get it through ILL. Natti natti, Drmies (talk) 23:14, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
If this Giano Article Writing Service is a free for all, I'll just casually mention I recently created Terraced houses in the United Kingdom.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:15, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Not bad, but no use of Muthesius? Yngvadottir (talk) 11:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Haven't got hold of a copy yet - patience Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:15, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Giano, I'm sorry they're getting you down. Thanks for your offer; I'll muddle through on the article as best I can and it will still be there for you to improve when you feel better about contributing again. Yngvadottir (talk) 11:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC) I just saw you had worked on it. Thank you! Yngvadottir (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2015 (UTC)


I posted tonight with comments which include your name. My apologies for not using the ping function. — Ched :  ?  07:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Ched; I'm not sure the ping thing does us any good anyway, sometimes best not to know what's being said about one. The current case is altogether too silly for words and is just a few politically motivated Wikipedians preserving their agenda by force. Anyway, I'm backing off Wikipedia for a while, I read something last night written by an Arbcom hopeful about gender (their gender) that was so stupid, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry - so I decided to cry. This place has become too ridiculous for words, I'm not sure I can cope with the rise of these half-baked people and their daft ideas - especially as I fail to see what an editor's sexual orientation has to do with writing an encyclopedia. I'm more interested in reading a fellow editor's work than going to bed with them. Perhaps I'm unusual in that. I believe there is such a thing as "too much information", this is a place for writing an encyclopedia not a place for coming out, going in or airing any other private information. Giano (talk) 08:50, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Giano, Sir. I'm not sure of the proper salutation, but I'm given to believe that "Your Excellency" is not undue. You took the time to say to me "don't give up". I took that to heart. To be honest, and perhaps painfully blunt, titles mean nothing to me. 2015 is coming to a close, and I personally have lost a great deal to the year. Still, I have much, and I will hold my head up and take pride in who I am. Seeing the adversity of others has taught me so much about taking pride in one's self. Honor is a virtue, and speaking the truth IS honorable. I may not always throw myself to the wolves as others do, but I do admire the honor. I am who I am Giano, and I truly appreciate being talked to as an equal. Thank you sir. — Ched :  ?  09:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Giano & Ched. If only Wikipedia would adopt my philosophy that all Wikipedians are gender-neutral. If only.....:( GoodDay (talk) 20:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

There are always some people who want to make a division between "us" and "them" and play it for political gain. We're all just editors, androgynous, anonymous editors. I for one claim to be a real life person, but how do you know for sure I'm who I claim to be, and not somebody else? How do we know that Giano isn't a kindly, church-going grandmother from Topeka acting out the fantasy of her alter ego? Certainly there is a problem with mentally unstable or severely antisocial people who hang around this site and harass other editors. Who has time to spend hours upon hours working for free? Those who spend a lot of time here must either be retired, unemployed, mentally unwell, filthy rich (hat tip to Lady Catherine), or graduate students, to have the luxury of indulging this bizarre hobby. Jehochman Talk 01:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Very good point Jehochman, I shall now get back to my knitting and preserve making. Giano (talk) 08:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2015/Candidates/Kevin Gorman/Questions[edit]

Kevin Gorman feels my questions are inappropriate, so he removed most of them, leaving only one where his reply could be interpretated as WP:NPA [1]. This is unacceptable, so in order to reduce drama, I removed all my questions to him [2]. Kevin for some reason wants the first question to remain [3]. Therefore I strongly feel that he has all questions (for context) or none of them, so I have reinstated all my questions as Kevin obviously now wishes to hear my views [4] - I don't think it's fair for him just to select the ones he likes. For the sale of less drama, I gave him the opportunity to back out of my debate with him - he clearly does not wish to do this. However, it now seems Kevin is permitted to present his question page in a censored form [5] Giano (talk) 07:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

  • So here we have our proof [6]. Asking Kevin Gorman a difficult question is tantamount to "harassment." I'm quite surprised they haven't worked "gender" into that too, but i suppose if we give them time they will. Giano (talk) 21:11, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
  • The ArbCom elections seems as corrupt, flawed and fixed as the RfA process does. The whole lot stinks. CassiantoTalk 00:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
  • I don't know about corrupt, but it's certainly gone a little strange. A section of Wikipedia has now become so obsessed with gender, that it seems to me that they won't be happy if one remaining confessing, practicing male remains on the Arbcom. I haven no problem with anyone of any sex or legal persuasion, but it does concern me when a man who's born a man and presumably lives as a man has to say on his arbcom election page: "I present as a cisdude." I had to look the term up, and I'm still not sure it's what I think it is - a man born a baby boy who lives a contented heterosexual lifestyle dressed in men's clothes? Life used to be so uncomplicated, but I suppose if he said: "I'm a bog standard unremarkable man", he thinks he'd get less votes. Giano (talk) 08:15, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Corrupt, not in the financial sense, but in a "if they're one of our mates, then we're gonna look after them" kinda way. I think if I knew someone who was joining WP now, my advice to them would be to "pretend you're female", or at least come across that you are. That way you'll have the GGTF and every other liberal do-gooder falling at your feet and watching your back. All of the females I know on here couldn't give a shit for how gender-divided (apparently) it is on here; they are here to write, and bloody good at it they are too. The likes of J3Mrs, Sagaciousphil and Montanabw, all of whom I respect unreservedly and would consider to be some of the best editors we have, are unfortunately not looked after in the same way as someone who creates little or no content for the project. I find that to be quite odd. CassiantoTalk 09:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Well I will agree with you there, but having said that, when I collaborate (in the Wikipedia sense), I suspect it's almost always with a female (are we still allowed to call them that?) or, at least, there's been a female or two in the team, which is why I doubt the magnitude of the Gender Gap here. Perhaps team is the important word here - 'team' has a nice collaborative ring to it that makes people want to join, whereas 'task force' sound like a military deployment on its way across the Atlantic to nuke somebody. Whatever, it will be a cold day in Hell before I "present myself as a cisdude" - totally ridiculous. Giano (talk) 10:11, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

A farce, isn't it? I honestly don't think Kevin has one chance in hell of getting elected with his massive crusade to eliminate Eric Corbett and his friends. I honestly didn't know he had that big of a vendetta until I unblocked Eric from a sub-optimal block, resulting in Kevin's strenuous attempts to remove Black Kite's and my admin bits. It was quite asinine, really, to see how desperate he was to have his little wiki-battle, leaving me wondering, "Is this reality?" Thankfully, saner heads in ArbCom saw the real issue in that the arbitration enforcement policy was unclear. Ah well, neither he nor Kirill will likely get elected.

With regards to the gender issues, "cis" is basically just "not transgender". Frankly, I couldn't care less if an editor or arb candidate is male, female, gay, straight, cis, trans, religious, agnostic, liberal, conservative, or anything else. It's not my concern, and frankly none of my business intruding on their privacy. As long as they aren't POV-pushing, I couldn't care any less, and even then I'd only care about the violations of WP:NPOV. Cheers, and good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

  • I'm afraid there are some people that think if you say something often enough, it will become true, and even more people who are then inclined to believe these much repeated 'truths.' Putting aside the size of Wikipedia's gender gap which has never been properly proven, there is Eic Corbett. While his language can be very acerbic, I've never known him use it to a new editor or go out randomly looking for someone to swear at. It's usually directed it at someone with equally strong views, or at an over officious Admin - I really have a problem believing that Eric drives new editors off or damages the encyclopedia. But then I'm supposed to do that too, and I rarely swear or have contact with new editors at all. I also have a problem believing that the average reader gives a fig who writes the pages they read; they are just grateful that the info is there. For that reason, I think writing is more important than the behind-the-scenes behaviour of the writer. Apparently in real life, Enid Blyton was an adulteress with a pretty nasty tongue, but who cares? I find it pretty sad that some people's only claim to Wiki-fame is achieved by highlighting a lack of social niceties in productive editors. Giano (talk) 07:46, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
  • "Cis" is, for me, a political statement ("political" in the sense in which we use it in English departments in the US), which is meant to indicate that biological sex is a very different thing from gender. In other words, if I call myself cismale I'm signaling that I believe it could have gone differently and that I'm totally cool with it going differently for someone else. YMMV, but for me (and a lot of my friends and old grad school colleagues) it's an important thing. Not the biggest deal in the world, and not something I would advertise all over the place, but personally important nonetheless. I have no problem with Kevin making the claim, nor do I have a problem with you (Giano) thinking it ridiculous--you're just totally wrong and Edwardian and all, haha. Oh, if you ever run into that Lady, tell her I thought her ACE guide was wonderful. How these ArbCom elections will turn out, I really don't have a clue. The mass-mailing may have surprising effects. We'll see. At any rate, I think it's comforting to know that ArbCom doesn't run everything, and that we still have ways to disagree with it and seek redress. At least, I think we do. Unless I get in, in which case y'all need to shut up and do as I say: party will be over. Happy days everyone, Drmies (talk) 21:07, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Well Drmies, Edwardian I amy be, but not being from the US, only having received basic sex education (quite enough for my needs) and not having studied the finer points of sexual orientation, I was very disturbed when I saw the word 'cis' for the first time last week, as I assumed it was really insulting, and was expecting the perpetrator to be instantly blocked. It was only then, that I decided to look it up. One of the problems of having learnt my English in a boys school n the 70s and 80s, was that I assumed (with my dodgy spelly) that it was something to so with "sissy" - as I'm sure will many others. Anyway, I am pleased t be found wrong, but it all sounds far too complicated for my small brain to compute. Giano (talk) 07:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

"Sorry for interrupting"[edit]

Re this, you're very welcome at any of my talk pages. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

An article thinking of you
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8 November 2015, your 11th "birthday"
DYK ... that a review of Chieftain's Salute
by Graham Waterhouse called the
Great Highland Bagpipe the orchestra's "real partner
in this virile, rousing piece of music"?
(Yes, I know that for my safety and protection I better not post here, thank you for the warning.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 30 November 2015 (UTC)