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Hi. I thought that a redirect would be the best way to do it. I didn't think it would be necessary to request the move either since, other than the creation of the page, there was no history. Libro0 (talk) 20:32, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I was in the process of expanding the article. What would you suggest I do with these two articles? Is it still possible to move a page to an article that has already been created. Libro0 (talk) 20:53, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Recent cleanups

After seeing the havock wrought by en dash-cramming like this, I thought it would be best to let you know what these edits have resulted in... Mattythewhite (talk) 14:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi.. i didnt know how to msg with you the only quick solution i could find is this "edit".. so I want to apologize for this but i think you will read my message.. well i've edited Van der Wiel's information because his correct height is 172 cms.. you should change it :D..well if you want to.. Well sorry again for this and i hope you can get this message.. To GiantSnowman.. Greetings from Argentina. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Do you know something about this issue?

There is a case presently at WP:AE about FkpCascais. From the statements of the warring parties it is hard to figure anything out. It always seems to be the same two guys, DIREKTOR and FkpCascais.

Happened to see your comment to FkpCascais about an ANI case last June. Were you in fact able to look into this and give him some advice? I noticed that FPAS gave him a sanction but there was no AE discussion at that time. (The ANI was at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive702#What to do?) I was intrigued by your comment about 'sudden, almost impulsive admin action', which suggested that you might have some insight into whatever the heck was going on. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 05:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply at User talk:EdJohnston#FkpCascais. EdJohnston (talk) 01:18, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

User:Monegasque - SPANISH FOOTBALLERS category

Am trying my best, he removed hundreds of those, will be a hard day at the (my) office tonight!

After we told him so, he did stop removing the cat, but he did nothing to revert himself/help in the ones that were not reverted. Kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:30, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

kashif siddiqi article

Hi Mate,

I hope the new year is treating you well.

This is Kashif Siddiqi here, the subject of one of your articles. ( am writing to you directly as it is apparent that some of the statements at current are not up to date and false. I am sure that you would want the information on your articles to be accurate and precise. Therefore, i am more than happy to provide any information, identification documents, or articles that you might require, and we hope we can get this matter resolved with minimal effort.

Thank you for your co-operation; hope to hear from you soon.


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kashif siddiqi

Hi There,

Thanks for your reply and help to update the information about me on the Kashif Siddiqi article. Im not very good good Wikipedia and how it works, a little confues with how to edit and send you messages. Is it possible you could send me you email or email me on May be easier for me to send you information relating to my career so far and info to update the page. Thanks Kash (Footballusa (talk) 18:04, 4 January 2012 (UTC))

kashif siddiqi article

Sorry i cannot seem to find the button where it says 'E-mail this user' all i see is "If you have any queries, please free free to e-mail me"....?? (Footballusa (talk) 18:42, 4 January 2012 (UTC))

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Have a look at this (please see here enough said... Kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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Paul Chalmers

Hi, apologies, it was already on Stevie's article. I have sourced it on the Paul Chalmers page now. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 20:19, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


hello giantsnowman i see you are interested in football and you make great articles.i thank you for your great contribution including the french footballers you created articles for,very good work. i usually create french articles .i was wondering if you can do me a big favor a wikipedia editer named arunsingh16 slapped deletion notices on some of my articles.he probably did it in good faith but even according to notability guidelines my articles should be good.i think he just doesn't understand notability criteria for sports people .i thought to be notable you just need 1 cap for a top league such as ligue 1 or 2 for france or for england premier league and championship plus 2 other divisions below the championship.earning 1 cap is enough to satisfy notability .2 of them Fabien Farnolle and Sacha Petshi earned 15 or less caps,thats still good for notability but he even tagged Etienne Mendy who had nearly 300 caps for ligue 1 and 2 throughout his career lol. also he slapped 2 deletion notices on 2 of my karate articles.the category karateka was made for notable karateka the 2 he tagged both won multiple medals at the highest possible competition the european or world championships.if both Olivier Beaudry and Robert Gomis get deleted i don't know what the sense is in having a karateka category.even french wikipedia has article on olivier beaudry .i even have references.i would appreciate it if you give the deletion debates a look at..thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesueur878 (talkcontribs) 12:58, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

thanks alot for looking after my articles i really appreciate it.funny thing just happened i created those karate articles december 15 and just few seconds ago yet another editor posted notability tag on David Felix who has won more medals than the other ones that arunsingh16 thought werent notable. thanks for the help.i really appreciate it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesueur878 (talkcontribs) 14:36, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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Edit Patrols

Hey Fuckwit

Stop posting snotograms to IP addresses.

Get a clue how IPs are assigned.

You being a checkout operator at Tesco
doesn't merit your claim to 'work in finance'.

User talk: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [edit] April 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Conor Ramsay, please cite a reliable source for the content of your edit. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. GiantSnowman 13:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC) [edit] January 2012

Now now, play nicely or not at all. GiantSnowman 15:33, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Coming from someone espousing a dislike of Nazis
thats quite ironic.

You make false allegations againt users
then threaten them when they object. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Your followup message -

   You are editing as (talk · contribs · info · WHOIS) - the same IP which made these edits to the Conor Ramsay article back in April 2011. I sent you a message which advised on why we need to reference changes, and how to do so. I have made no "false allegations againt users" and I did not "threaten them when they object." If anything, you are doing that to me. GiantSnowman 16:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC) 

Lets look at your claims -
I sent you a message which advised on why we need to reference changes, and how to do so. GiantSnowman 16:19, 9 January 2012
I have made no "false allegations againt users" GiantSnowman 16:19, 9 January 2012)
Yes you did.
You sent ME that message.

and I did not "threaten them when they object." GiantSnowman 16:19, 9 January 2012
Again you did -
Now now, play nicely or not at all. GiantSnowman 15:33, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
That's a threat.

You are editing as GiantSnowman 16:19, 9 January 2012

Who gives a flying F.

ISPs can change a user's IP whenever they chose.
That could be dynamically mid-session, every time the user logs on, or static indefintely.

Cease & desist.

Racism in football

everything is DULY explained and its NOT valid. But i will tag the article and come to talk now.(Lihaas (talk) 22:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)).

Section Headings

Hi GiantSnowman, sorry I didn't realise that, I always assumed articles didn't have seperate headings due to lack of information. I will bear it in mind when I am editing from now on, although I'm not quite sure what will count as big enough for the article to have a heading. Eng66 (talk) 14:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, could you have a look at the Tom Carroll article I edited, I gave his loan spell at Leyton Orient a sub heading but it is only a few lines, I thought because it wasn't part of his Tottenham career then it should have it's own section, is that okay or should I change it? And thanks I will join Wikipedia:WikiProject Football and see if I can contribute. Eng66 (talk) 14:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay that's fine, from now on when I edit I will make sure not to do that, out of interest though what is the reason for not doing it, to me it looks clearer and more organized! Also, I'm sure you already know but Bradford have just signed Robert Kozluk who will need his page editing, which unless you want to do it I am happy to! Eng66 (talk) 14:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I have edited the page and used that as a source, but I'm not sure how to add a row for Bradford on the career stats at the bottom of the page. Eng66 (talk) 15:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I have edited stats before but I didn't know how to add another row. I have noticed that on other clubs season pages, they have month by month summaries, is that something that you think would be good to do/would be interested in doing for Bradford? Eng66 (talk) 15:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks, I will work on it although it will probably take a while. What else do you like to edit? And also if I was to edit someting that isn't standard English e.g this direct quote from Frank Lampard's page: "help a lot Chelsea when you need it", what would I put the edit summary as? Eng66 (talk) 15:52, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay cheers, there oftens seems to be mistakes like that in articles, I make them and don't realise so if I see any I will edit and use that as an edit summary. Eng66 (talk) 15:58, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

A question about images of players. Most pictures look as though they have been taken straight from the internet and do not belong person who uploaded them onto the profile. This may be wrong, but that's what most of them look like. Is that allowed, because I was under the impression you weren't allowed to use images that you didn't create entirely yourself. Eng66 (talk) 16:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I won't upload anything that I haven't created myself as I still don't really understand but cheers for the link. Eng66 (talk) 16:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks but I wouldn't know where to find out whether or not it is free to use by anyone. Eng66 (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and don't worry, you have helped me a lot already. It's not that important, just wondering why the images seem to be taken straight from a google image search and wondering if that was allowed, if so I would have put pictures up of players but I'll leave it for now. Cheers. Eng66 (talk) 16:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Steven Black (disambiguation)

It's not a football related query but I didn't know who to ask. Basically I created the above disambiguation page & now user User:Boleyn has now created Stephen Black (disambiguation) as a redirect rather then a disambiguation page. Making a mess of the page & tagging it with clean up tag. Is there any way I can delete the redirect & create Stephen Black (disambiguation) properly. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

What I meant was Stephen Black (disambiguation) redirects to Steven Black (disambiguation), & now both Steven & Stephen are listed. Can Stephen Black (disambiguation) redirect be deleted & recreated as a proper page. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:14, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Ok, Thanks for the helping I'll try to discuss it more with the other user to find a solution before starting a redirect discussion. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi, I noticed your recent reverts where you readded "F.C." to the clubname parameters at several football club articles, citing WP:FOOTY consensus as grounds for this. I've searched through the WPT:FOOTY records (really should be doing other things with my time!) and the main locations where the issue were discussed are here and here (unless I've failed to notice any other discussions). A quick read of those seems to show a swing of opinion towards including "F.C.", but as TRM states at the end of the second discussion that it ended up being a waste of time (due to the user whose actions triggered the discussions, User:Sarumio, continuing as he previously was). So it seems to me that this issue (as bloody minor as it is!) hasn't really been settled yet. Also, this consensus seems to have been poorly endorsed; I've chosen all the English football club FAs as a sample and out of the 17 (provided I've checked through all them correctly) of these, only four (Ipswich Town F.C., Liverpool F.C., Luton Town F.C. and Manchester City F.C.) include "F.C.", while the other 13 do not. So, we're left in a situation where there is no consistency between articles (at least for English clubs anyway). The conclusion I've reached is that this is something that should be discussed again at WP:FOOTY, with a more definitive and well-enforced consensus hopefully being reached. (Wow, didn't intend for this to end up an essay...!) Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 16:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


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There is no point I'm fed up of people having a pop and nothing getting done about it. Its happening far too often theses days and admins ignore it. I enjoy doing the football stuff but not if this goes on. It wouldn't be back at any if he hadn't started again. over the last week I've had three new users have a go and honestly had enough the other two are blocked indef there behaviour was so bad. His isn't as bad but he dosent even get a warning they just don't care.Edinburgh Wanderer 12:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

not seeing it like that for me if people get away with things like this all the time it's not worth it. They don't think even a warning is appropriate which I don't understand and they dont seem willing to even explain why it's not worth a warning. If they think

I was wrong then warn me but he's ten times worse all I did was revert something flagged as Vandalism go back and have a look and by that time he'd already started. Edinburgh Wanderer 13:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I gave him advice and he bite me never again as I said stuff Wikipedia I can do without shit like this. I'll finish project in my users pace that I've started but will not be doing anything else had enough of been bloody bite by people like this. Wikipedia needs stronger action when things like this happens. Admins don't do anything because there afraid they'll get bitten by people like this. Edinburgh Wanderer 13:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
oh and before I opened this ANI I approached the original admin who did nothing and he said he hoped he may become constructive. There is no sign of that and he said I should reopen the ANI to get other opinions if I felt one was needed. Edinburgh Wanderer 13:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I've asked for an interaction ban hopefully that's possible. Edinburgh Wanderer 13:32, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
On the article talk page he said Ban me. Make material for the press to see. To me thats a threat. But anyway if an interaction ban happens i will be happy. Cant see the point of gathering more evidence when I'm back as they won't do anything.Edinburgh Wanderer 13:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Ive been meaning to ask you have you considered going back up for RFA. Wiki needs admins like you. Edinburgh Wanderer 16:52, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
let me know when you do. I'm sure you will get it this time. Your far more knowledgeable and helpfull than have the current admins. Edinburgh Wanderer 16:56, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Kashif Siddiqi at AfD

I suspect you've seen my message at the AfD discussion, but in case you somehow missed it, WP:DOLT suggests emailing the legal queue on OTRS, at , in the face of legal threats. Might be worth pursing that approach. Cheers, Yunshui  09:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar time

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I was thinking of asking a question at your next RfA. But in light of the way your answers to questions were interpreted last time (I felt the right decision was reached, but there was nonetheless some bandwagon !voting), I thought it would be fairest to let you know beforehand, so that if I do ask it at least you're prepared.

I'm a lot less inclined to oppose today than I was a year ago: you've gone out of your way to communicate your reasoning in discussions, which I felt was one of the issues last time. The other main issue was AfD, and my question would be along the lines of what has changed in this area since your first run, specifically as far as GNG versus sub-notability guides are concerned.

No need to answer now. Indeed it might be best not to, because at RfA people have a habit at picking up on semantics. Just thought it was best to give you a bit of time to prepare for the question, or to tackle the issue before the question is asked should you prefer.

Best of luck whenever you decide to run. Regards, —WFC— 01:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Juan Carlos Pérez López (footballer born 1945)

Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here (by the way, nice teamwork we did on the page, kudos!),

i don't think you should have reverted User:Mega60 on the infobox, he has a database like none other on Spanish football(ers), so the Santander stats (first spell) HAVE TO BE correct. But don't fret, i won't take sides here, you two "battle it out".

Kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:48, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi i was just starting to update the Season article for todays match but I've came across the captains section. Obviously Alex Neil is the captain and Tomáš Černý stands in when he is out. Tomáš Černý is back for todays match but i was wondering if you had any idea who was captain why they were both injured.Edinburgh Wanderer 20:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

He would have been my educated guess but really wasn't sure. Might be worth asking at the forum you never know. Edinburgh Wanderer 20:53, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I've been looking at match reports and hadn't seen anything. Saying that now i know what I'm looking for if i go back far enough i might find something in the first match neither was playing in thank you great help.Edinburgh Wanderer 21:42, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi there GIANT one, VASCO here,

Just a matter of keeping coherent with myself (full name in storyline/intro, piping in box, except for English clubs, piped everywhere), i have tremendous respect for yourself as an editor and a person. Plus, last time i proposed it to you, you said you were fine with this approach...

Cheerio - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:14, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


Dunno if this'll get to you before you finish the AfD nom, but I was about to speedy this, its a repost of an article Afd'd a couple of weeks ago. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:50, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I just managed to completely confused myself, after linking Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year 2011 instead of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year. Its literally years since I closed an AfD, so I'll leave that to someone else. One screw-up is quite enough for an evening. There's also Template:IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer of the Year so there could be quite a few of these hiding around the place. Oldelpaso (talk) 22:19, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


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Vandalism - Concern(s)

Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

1 - User:Sujith realmadrid (username says it all) has taken it another step "forward". I have heard of vandalism in players' articles if a player scores a goal or gets sent off in a particular match, and also in some transfers to the "hated" team, but this guy openly insults FC Barcelona players and fans in his summaries (please see here, #6 and #7 are so pretty, further down below he calls Lionel Messi "Lionel Pussi"

Result? Not one warning in his page, for remind us that football is a WAR! Fair enough...

2 - Brought that forth (and some other issues, including the recent (and ongoing!) vandalism of Pepe (footballer born 1983)) to User:Thumperward, received no positive feedback - read my message to him and his reply for more details if you wish. Ah, but another reprimand for my summaries i did...

I know that i go "against the grain" of WP guidelines very often, but i sincerely don't understand some people's reaction to my polite requests and/or suggestions. I had this idea some months ago, now i will implement it: rest assured, no more messages to anyone, no more WP:FOOTY conversations, won't bother anyone, i will work pretty much as i have done in my nearly six years of editing, alone (of course, people can come to me and ask for help on anything, i just won't do viceversa). Of course, this does not make me immune to the legal procedures of the site, if an admin thinks i should get "it" (Chris Cunningham more and more does!), i will abide by. And hopefully, i will work once and for all on my (sometimes) obnoxious summaries!

Kind regards (and i repeat, PEPE's page is not protected even though the amount of recent vandalism clearly grants it) - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:56, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I have reported both you and the Vasco guy to Wikipedia. They will now resolve the issue. I feel sorry for power abusers like you, if you indeed are some moderator or admin. Pity. Hope you get a better life some day. -Sujith realmadrid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sujith realmadrid (talkcontribs) 23:51, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

  • We are warned with legal action and you insult (or someone with your account, but it's there) Barcelona players ("Lionel Pussy"?) and fans ("Farce lona of a fan"?) in your summaries? What on earth is this? And by the way Snowman, the bit about Pepe continues to be removed by this user, even though the info is ref'd and not biased (in his latest summaries he used more insults and mockery while removing it). I have apologized to him for using the word "vandal" in one summary in Pepe's article (i ALWAYS assume it is vandalism when a 5-10 line sentence, with ref, is removed without summary), but that's as good as it gets, no more conversation with this individual, and i give up about the information in the player's article (he wants it OUT, it stays OUT!). --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Now, he has reinstated the info, but using the word "unintentional" (he knows for sure Pepe did not want to hurt Messi), and replacing the source from The Guardian with two, from Real Madrid's website (biased) and...YouTube! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
  • I have not resisted and, in our latest exchange, in his talkpage, have confronted Sujith regarding the "Lionel Pussy" summary, politely as i should. Let's see the reaction. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
He said he was only doing it in response to vandals. As one who has lost it so many times with vandals, i am bound to believe him. Case closed for me. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:28, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


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footballers by appearances

The problem is that the page name is inaccurate. List of Gillingham F.C. players includes players still at the club making appearances. The name List of footballers in England and Scotland by number of league appearances is misleading because it only includes retired players. I added Graham Alexander by mistake because of this, and looking a the history page many others have made the same mistake. It should include current players or it should be made clearer to readers and editors that it only includes former players. Thanks. --Kafuffle (talk) 22:04, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Moe Epsilon

Check back there for replies, to keep the conversation in one place. Thanks, — Moe ε 14:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Kolins

I saw you just weighed in as well. Problem with RfCs is that if the editor is not that well-known there are few contributions to it. You dropped a note on the FOOTY talk page, right? Drmies (talk) 16:42, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


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Notice of discussion at the Administrators' Noticeboard

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 04:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

In two weeks that's happened three times. It's when in using the iPad it's just a glance and it does it I normally notice straight away but not today. I've seen a few users have another account for mobile uses linked to there main account going to ask Xeno if it's actually ok. Think it would be better to have a mobile account without rollback on it. Edinburgh Wanderer 16:47, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Just haven't got around to enquiring about it. It's annoying the iPads so sensitive on things like that. Edinburgh Wanderer 17:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


Good luck.Edinburgh Wanderer 15:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Algerian BLPs

Hi Snowman, I'll have a look but I already know it's the same user that is behind all of them, User:Maxi1992, someone I've already complained about a few times on WP:FOOTY. I start off my days looking at his contributions because I know the majority will have to be reverted or deleted. In any case though, I'll keep an eye on that page and see what I can do. TonyStarks (talk) 12:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Well let's hope he keeps it up. I've taken care of the Algerian player on that BLP list and I'll keep an eye on it to see if any more pop up. TonyStarks (talk) 12:37, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


Thanks but I'm sick of being the only one that stands up to people like this. Nobody is bothering to reply to him or deal with him other than me. Its clear that no one feels merit in his attempts or they would reply. Its not on though I'm sick of being the only one to deal with these things. People all say to me here that they agree on my page but they just don't do anything. I welcomed the fact he is now back to using his own account but he's just done what started it all at the last time on the pro page and I'm not reverting him ill speak to him calmly but not doing any more. Its time every member of the project actually to say what they feel rather than letting me take the flac for everyone . i don't care if they see the opposite to me but just stand up fro themselves. Please don't reply at my page just reply here if you want to. Im considering staying but not create any new pages for football for the time being.Edinburgh Wanderer 19:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Mauro Galvão

Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here (sad news on User:Edinburgh Wanderer by the way, hope he returns),

could you assist me on this before it escalates (i don't have, don't think i ever will have the "courage" to write reports on WP:FOOTY, a bit tired of being scolded nearly everytime i do so)? This player is NOT known as MAURO, but GALVÃO (for my money, the subject should be ordered by the first letter if he is known by that name). User:Jun19 has been warring with me over this and i don't know what to do (he seems to edit massively on Brazilian football, but he's not right over this - for instance Júlio César Soares Espíndola, the Inter GK, definitely should be ordered under "J" but, for example, Philippe Coutinho should be sorted under "C" not "P", as Jun most definitely would want.

Attentively, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Fred Eyre

Hello - there's this article on Fred from the Manchester Evening News, that mentions that he was at Southport when they were voted out of the league :

Cheers! Jess Cully (talk) 19:01, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


Yeah just taking it easy won't be doing too much. Still not feeling totally happy but give it a few days. P.s I've never seen an RFA like yours before. Edinburgh Wanderer 10:57, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

BLP Prods

If you interested in prodding BLPs then I recommend you watch and regularly check this bot created list of newish article which appears to be BLPs without any obvious references: User:AlexNewArtBot/URBLPNTSearchResult. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 14:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Oriol Romeu

Was this POV'd or what (please see STYLE OF PLAY Scrambled storyline, unref'd, you name it, i think i duly removed it, what do you think my trusted man?

Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Found the same nonsense in David Luiz (by the way several vandalic deeds in his page the last few weeks!), User:Cyber17 seems to be responsible for those actions, has not received one tip yet in several months. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:29, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


With due respect to your about-to-be exalted new status, I think it is you just being an idiot. On the national team tab when I look at it, there are four headings: Country, Team Type, Matches, Goals. Under Goals, I see it saying 1... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:30, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

In which case, that's really odd. For me, the tabs are in capitals, not mixed case as on your image, and it has a Hungarian flag and the name Hungary under the Country heading and 1 under the Goals. I also don't have the "Reach Football Fans" advert above the tabs that appears on your image. How does that work, then? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
No, never. Was going to ask you the same. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:48, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
It's a browser thing. Layout and content as described above on Firefox 9.0.1, but on IE8, I get the same as you, i.e. advert, title-case tabs, blank below Country and Goals. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:26, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Bear vs. Shark

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:Bear vs. Shark has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.  Gongshow Talk 06:26, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ernest Yélémou

According to the nominator the subject of the article now meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Could you please revisit your !vote? Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 10:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Czech Team

Hi GS. I see you're very active at WP:Football and I wonder if you could assess the Czech Republic national team article. To be honest, I don't know much about the difference between start, C and B category articles, despite reading and re-reading the guidelines! I've added 10 references from reliable sources, so I hope its category can be upgraded. Thank you for your time. - Cloudz679 12:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response. Cloudz679 12:58, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Michał Miśkiewicz

Hi! I noticed you've recently made this edit to the Michał Miśkiewicz article. While you are correct saying there are no proper 'youth loans' in Italian football, when Miśkiewicz was loaned out to Chievo, he played for their Primavera team during the whole season. He made no appearances for the first team, featuring only twice as an unused substitute. That's why I listed Chievo also in his youth career. However, I'd prefer to hear your opinion before reverting, so let me know. Luxic (talk) 23:45, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. That seems a reasonable solution. ;) Luxic (talk) 18:51, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi, when you create redirects like Elizabeth Candon and George Esper you may reduce the chance of an article being written about that person. If another editor sees a redlink, they may be motivated to create an article, whereas a blue redirect does not attract the same attention. Just a thought! WWGB (talk) 14:41, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on adminship!!!

You just blew the RfA and passed with flying colors. I am no admin but let me be the first to congratulate you on a successful RfA passing with 100%. I'm not that this ever happened on Wikipedia before. You are about to get a mop from a bureaucrat and I just want to let you know, this place needs a lot of cleanup so you better get to work. Be sure to rinse the mop every once in a while so it doesn't start to stink.—cyberpower (Chat)(WP Edits: 514,593,514) 14:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Filip Twardzik

I just wanted to get a clear opinion. He is up for deletion having played in the Scottish cup against a semi pro team. He played again today against St. Johnstone another pro team so I've voted keep. I asked a question there because surely if he plays for a pro team even if against a semi pro team in a notable round of the cup that should be enough to pass anyway. If not we need to tighten up the guidelines as already mentioned there. There are loads of articles out there who have been created on this basis especially in england, even a couple of mine to be honest. Just wanted to get your thoughts. Edinburgh Wanderer 14:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

He meets it now. But what I'm asking is about other general cases obviously an amateur player is slightly different but a player who is full time for Celtic who plays at a notable level level of a cup that receives significant coverage surely is notable. I've always thought that possibly wrongly and given the amount of articles around based on a similar case some others do to. There dosent seem to be huge amounts of AFD's on similar cases. Which is why I'm asking about it to assertion where we stand on it. Edinburgh Wanderer 17:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks that's all I wanted to know. You are aware of almost all written things around here which I am not and probably never will be. Might be worth a discussion further down the line just given similar articles but another time. Got to go get the season articles done. Edinburgh Wanderer 18:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Made thats same point the other day to someone.Edinburgh Wanderer 18:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Your RFA

Congrats, I've closed it as successful, and it's a pleasure to announce you're now in the benefit of three additional buttons. Use them wisely and don't hesitate to contact any of your fellow admins for any advice as you find your feet. Oh, and the big red button... don't press that one.... Well done, my heartiest best wishes to you. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:16, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hey congrats! Vensatry (Ping me) 15:27, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Congrats. P.S. This essay will help you much more than you think. Face-wink.svg Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:30, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks very much guys! GiantSnowman 15:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I noticed your RfA only when it was closed; didn't !vote, but best wishes nevertheless! Lynch7 17:37, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Congratulations don't forget the little ones on the way up.Edinburgh Wanderer 17:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Best Wishes.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:48, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Snowman, I'm sorry--I totally missed the party. I'm glad to see you passed so easily: it is a sign you've been doing something right. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 21:53, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Congratulations from me too! I know that I gave you a hard time the last time around, but I really meant it when I supported you this time. Best wishes, --Tryptofish (talk) 22:54, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Congrats on such a successful RfA. Good stuff! :)  -- WikHead (talk) 01:08, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
The admins' T-shirt.

Congratulations on your successful RfA, GiantSnowman! Here's the standard clothing for your new role, hope it fits. :) Best. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 01:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 01:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Congratulations on passing with over 100 supporters, and no opposes!Smallman12q (talk) 01:18, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Congratulations and best wishes! I missed out your RfA this time... Salih (talk) 13:48, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  • For all its problems, I think this is a good example of RfA working well. Issues were identified, issues were worked on. End result: a stronger candidate and an uncontentious second attempt. Well done! —WFC— 16:16, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  • ++++ DGG ( talk ) 19:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Self-reference of "remove irrelevant comments"

Congratulations on the promotion!

To answer your question:

His self-referential comment was a request to remove irrelevant comments, which I was happy to grant.

Cheers,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Congratulations. Kiefer is wrong, however, to describe it as a promotion. That it certainly is not! Pedro :  Chat  21:36, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
    Congratulations on your ascendance, then!  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:38, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


102 - 0 Congratulations!--Gilderien Talk|Contribs 16:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and I corrected some spelling on your page, I hope you don't mind ([1]). :-) --Gilderien Talk|Contribs 16:54, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
I also made a minor change to your user page. Have a good day and congrats on getting the mop! MJ94 (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations! --Bryce (talk | contribs) 06:42, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Well done old bean - enjoy the mop! Brookie :) { - he's in the building somewhere!} (Whisper...) 09:37, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for checking the talk page of Hapoel Haifa F.C., edit summary and WikiProject Football before posting a 3RR warning on my talk page. -NYC2TLV (talk) 00:22, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Your invitation to participate in a Wikimedia-approved survey in online behavior.

Hello, my name is Michael Tsikerdekis[2][3], currently involved as a student in full time academic research at Masaryk University. I am writing to you to kindly invite you to participate in an online survey about interface and online collaboration on Wikipedia. The survey has been reviewed and approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Research Committee.

I am contacting you because you were randomly selected from a list of active editors. The survey should take about 7 to 10 minutes to complete, and it is very straightforward.

Wikipedia is an open project by nature. Let’s create new knowledge for everyone! :-)

To take part in the survey please follow the link: (HTTPS).

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PS: The results from the research will become available online for everyone and will be published in an open access journal.

UPDATE: This is the second and final notification for participating in this study. Your help is essential for having concrete results and knowledge that we all can share. I would like to thank you for your time and as always for any questions, comments or ideas do not hesitate to contact me. PS: As a thank you for your efforts and participation in Wikipedia Research you will receive a Research Participation Barnstar after the end of the study. --Michael Tsikerdekis (talk) 08:21, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

User:Jun19 - Def'orts

He continues (please see here and could not care less about our (mainly yours) warnings. Per his contributions, i see that several of his summaries contain the words "he is known as - example next - FÁBIO FERREIRA" (ALL the summary he can think of whenever he moves a page, for the rest i don't think he EVER writes one!) hence he goes and adds the def'ort as FABIO FERREIRA, instead of FERREIRA, FABIO.

Cheers, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

No, it was only to illustrate he got the message and did not alter ANYTHING afterwards. Please don't edit Menezes' article now, i'm on it as we speak - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:11, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of which...

I don't know if you're already an admin or not (judging by the cool t-shirt that hangs in this page i would say "yes", and i add my tardy congrats!), but i'd like to bring this stuff up (related to the above message) after a polite run-in i have had with a user in Fernando Dinarte Santos Silva's article.

This footballers is known as "Fernando", i am Portuguese so i should know (and i'm not being a hypocrite after what i said in my last message, it's different, JUN19's approach is that EVERY player in Brazil, safe the ones that are known by nicknames, should have their defaultsorted with name/surname, which is 100% inaccurate). Portuguese/Spanish/Brazilian footballers all have this naming specifications about them, in many many cases. Yes i know, the common WP standard is surname first, first name second (i.e. MORRISON, JIM; OBAMA, BARACK; ROONEY, WAYNE; SNOWMAN, GIANT). But couldn't we adapt the modus operandi to meet this situation? I think that people should be - and will be - looking for the sportsperson they want to find under the letter for which they are best known, some folks don't even know what is the sportsperson's full name or any other name for that matter outside the sports name.

I don't think that DEF'ORT rules are that adamant. After all, rules can be changed no? Kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

  • From what i see (and it's a bit mind-boggling for me), people still continue to dismiss EXTERNAL LINKS as reliable sources overall. BOTH external links (Portuguese as the player) call him "Fernando". --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:06, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Neil Price

Hi there; yes it would make sense if the page at Neil Price offered the reader the choice of whether they wanted the footballer or the archaeologist, so I think we should change that redirect page. (Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC))

I am afraid that I am unsure just how to locate these pages; if you could let me know I will happily redirect them. (Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC))


Thanks for your help. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 14:14, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Vicente Lucas

SNOWY (sorry, you're an admin now, it's MR.SNOWY!), can you lend a hand please?

This chap (Portuguese as i am) continues to add info in this player's article which is POV, a bit-WEASEL too and 100% unreferenced. Now, he added a message to me completely disgusted by my previous summary, when i was more assertive than anything else when removing the bit(s).

I have already re-replied, telling this is not the way WP works. Can you please remove the POV/unref'd bits too so he sees i am not against him, just trying to have a good article. Can we expect legal threats like the other time? Sigh...

--Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:25, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

  • I have tried to make amends with this person, to no avail, he continues to be sarcastic an unfriendly towards me (please check my summary in Vicente to see if it was "out-of-this-world"). He also has sent me some refs (i have already told him that forums are not reliable, of course i was dismissed) which i will insert in article later today, but nothing else (again, my sad sentence: Have no friends in the real world, still have time to make enemies in the virtual one). --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:14, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Last charmer, after my REPEATED apologies for summary and willingness to help improve Vicente's article: "you're a young man who has no idea what you're talking about" What the hey?! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:20, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't see when i was not civil, of course if Vasco takes all e say out of the context it's a different story. I will wait for the editions in silence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:32, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

  • With the refs kindly provided by the other user, improved the piece, await for their comments/suggestions/other. A big favour Snowman: could you please leave the sections of the article as they are? Why should we have the word "CAREER" three times? Kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:18, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi GiantSnowman, in the GA review I am doing the user has sourced the entire match report to one source. Is that a copyright violation, I thought it was but I'm not sure. Also congratulations on becoming an administrator. Adam4267 (talk) 18:09, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

No I mean in the match report section, all the actual match reporting is from source 66. Something made me think that was a copyright violation but I'm probably wrong. Also do you know if the FAs website has been redesigned recently, all the links to it have stopped working and they might have to be replaced. Adam4267 (talk) 18:34, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, thanks very much GS. Adam4267 (talk) 18:43, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi ..

Hey there Snowman. First a very belated congratulations. I noticed a couple of your posts here and there and though I drop by and say hi. You've probably not heard of me as I was away underground so to speak for quite some time, but I just wanted to mention something. If you ever feel discouraged, and want a friendly ear - I'd be more than happy to provide it. I remember my first few months as an admin. were often filled with uncertainty, and I messed up a LOT. (still do). I often think a day later - "dang, I wish I wouldn't have put it that way" .. or, "geesh I wish I would have just read and not posted". It's tough out here - even tougher now it seems than it was back in 08, 09. Hang in there. Cheers. — Ched :  ?  16:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Page protection is spot on .. wish I could help with SPI stuff, but it's an area I never cared much for. cheers. — Ched :  ?  16:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
  • looks fine to me. — Ched :  ?  22:21, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear GiantSnowman,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.


Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 19:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


Hey GS,

Left on note HERE for you.

Best, --Jaobar (talk) 20:14, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Martín Cáceres

Have tried what i could, even writing some words in the article's talkpage, to no avail, people wrongfully contine to "update" his caps/goals total (scored yesterday? YES. Twice? YES! But in Coppa Italia, not in Serie A).

After endless wrong edits and as many reversions, i decided to seek your advise. Cheers - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:20, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

  • As expected, talkpage lines did nothing, as your box insertion :( --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


hello giantsnowman , an editor added a speedy deletion nomination for a karateka Guillaume Cossou who won a bronze medal at the european karate championships at kumite,i feel being a medalist at european or world championships should satisfy notablity, if you want you can join the discussion,i come to you because you are an experianced contributor,i will respect your nomination whether it is for or against deletion,at least i know an experienced editor took a look ,thanks


Really? I read the guidelines at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How_to_nominate_multiple_related_pages_for_deletion and it wasn't clear. It even says "To make it easier for those participating in the discussion, it may be helpful to bundle all of them together into a single nomination." So that's what I did. Only trying to make it easier. Sorry. Maybe the wording needs to be changed. Cloudz679 17:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Just had another look and that [clarification needed] part looks really big now! Thanks for the assistance. Cloudz679 17:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


Just so you know I took yours and xeno's advice and created this alt account. Sinebot will be along any second to say this isn't signed when it is using a linked sig to the main account. Currently in a debate with the bots creator as it should be able to determine this as it's what sock legit advises. Edinburgh Wanderer 18:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

first time it hasn't done it. Edinburgh Wanderer 18:44, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Wiki Project England

Hi Giant Snowman, was just wondering if you would like to join the project for England, as some of your edits will be on articles related to England in some way. Be nice to have another member on the list!

Modified Flag for WikiProject England.bmp.jpg Hello! I thought you may be interested in joining WikiProject England. We work on creating, expanding and making general changes to England related articles. If you would be interested in joining feel free to visit the Project Page!. Thank You.

Eng66 (talk) 02:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Raith Rovers

Do you think this is appropriate for the lead of an article. [4] Porridge added it I'm not reverting it. Personally i don think it is and if should be there then it would be some where in the main body. I can see where recent edits are going so distancing myself.Edinburgh Wanderer 13:20, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

It would just end badly if i get involved. It still has the potential for that but I'm not getting involved. Yeah if i see something like that I'm going to ask others for advice as for me to do so is just going to inflame it.Edinburgh Wanderer 13:31, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Big Jock Knew article

Hi GiantSnowman, I came across this article after User:The C of E talked about it on the Jock Stein page. I don't think its an appropriate article because firstly, it isn't even about the song (that word being used loosely) and the word song isn't even in the title. It just seems to be a way for The C of E to try and get his views onto Wikipedia after he wasn't allowed to put them in the Jock Stein article. Also it seems to be lacking inherent notability on its own and the majority of sources don't seem to be mainly about that song. Although I'm sure there is a policy somewhere saying that just because something can be sourced doesn't mean it should be on Wikipedia. Anyway I didn't want to AfD it myself because I'm may be wrong and also I'm sure The C of E will just say I want it deleted because I'm a Celtic fan. So I leave it up to you, thanks. Adam4267 (talk) 13:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks GS I will do that. Adam4267 (talk) 14:22, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Simão Sabrosa

Vandal from Mexico at large, including reverting anti-vandal bot! Help o giant one... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Seems to have subsided for now. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Pedro Miguel Sousa Freitas

This guy does not merit WP article, a couple of season in Vitória SC's roster, never appeared officially - also, in his career, he has not even competed in Liga de Honra! AfD all over, you can trust me on this one!

Cheers, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Dunno if i have fared well, but i added a template to the article and a few words in its talkpage. Enough or not my kind man? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Cheerio! Also noticed that you contacted the creator, User:Alexanderalgrim, wasted your time there, he keeps creating TONS of non-notable footballers (one minute played in the Taça da Liga, etc) and talks to no one (i have tried in what is presumably is - OURS - mothertongue, Portuguese). Thanks again, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:37, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


Checking this anon IP (please see here modus operandi, i am 99,9999999999999999999% sure it's JUN19. Reverted me in his habitual way in - at least! - Diego Alves Carreira (here

Cheers, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

  • From what i can see, it's the same "anon person" that undid us at Mauro Galvão - they have not as of today "visited" the article's talk, and they have not responded to your query have they? Sigh... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:16, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Ivica Dragutinović

Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO "here",

quickly being lost for words and losing it overall... In this article, a ballclub named BOR keeps being added to the box, but this team is not mentioned by either the link or the Serbian national team data, i keep reverting it, the user(s) keep(s) adding it.

To add insult to injury, the current club field, which read RETIRED, was "corrected" to RETTIRED...maybe just to spite me? I have suffered these situations once or twice here, when combatting the vandals...

Page protection is out of the picture or not? As always, kind regards -


Saw this: IFFHS all-time leading goalscorer , thought of this, thought of you. Thank you. - Cloudz679 13:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Might be worth salting the page(s)? Will keep an eye out. Cloudz679 14:00, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Next time it will appear in the usual place though. Thanks to the bots for that. Cheers - Cloudz679 14:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
His talk page says he was blocked earlier , but there is nothing in the block log. I marked the article for CSD. -- ArglebargleIV (talk) 15:14, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Another article

Hi again. I am sure this article qualifies for CSD but I don't know exactly which one, as it's not a real person! Chris Fryatt. Thank you. - Cloudz679 14:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wizard (band)

Hello GiantSnowman, I've added a number of sources to the article. Would care to have a look at them and perhaps reconsider your vote in this matter? Regards, —Ruud 20:00, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

First things first: this user, a sock of User:Cyperuspapyrus and at least another one i can't remember, has been blocked, good! Now, for the mindblowing bit: in several edits, he took to removing storylines and/or links (as here and here, without a word in summary!

Result (more mind bombs): in almost one month, he received ZERO messages about his behaviour, and no doubt he'll create another account (after seeing User:Pararubbas' 70+ accounts, people will want to break that record), pityful...

You have been briefed, happy weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Vietnamese Super League

Hi, this edit appears to be a page move undertaken without using the correct procedure, and resulting in the page history being lost, and the talk page being a different name. I believe in any case that the page should be called V-League, and there are posts on this at the talk page. I'd be grateful if you could have a look into this. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 14:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


I am sorry to keep bothering you (apparently i am, but i am only trying to make WP better), but this user does the following: he engages in POV like no other in footballers' articles, sometimes using references, but sometimes not even that (as in Necati Ateş here or Paulo César Fonseca do Nascimento here

Could you please mediate? I find that more often than not, my intentions are misread (most of my messages, i admit, are not the best in "technical approach") and people get all upset and come to my page with an attitude (one guy, two or three years ago, when i told him to stop removing categories in the articles - he thought that, once a player stopped playing for a club and moved to another, the pertinent category had to be removed (example, when Cristiano Ronaldo moved to Real Madrid, the MANCHESTER UNITED F.C. PLAYERS cat had to "go" - replied to me "You're playing God in WP, that's not nice"). Latest example? The quarreling in Vicente Lucas' article, when the guy told me i was a "young man who knew nothing" just for telling him about the importance of (no) original research; i'm through with that, i "chose" you as one of only three or four confidants, hope you don't mind, the rest i don't want to know about, but surely want to keep improving the articles and the site overall.

Attentively, thanks very much in advance, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

User talk:

Hello, Im not very familiar with Wikipedia, but I do not really understand why the edit (correcting the date of birth) I made on the page of Julius Nota was reverted. I knew Julius Nota in person and I know when he was born. Here is a link of a newspaper article with his short biography: (it is in Hungarian). Im sorry for bothering you. Titi that is (talk) 13:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Missed talk page

Just a heads up. When you deleted Alejandro Palladino a few minutes ago, you forgot to delete the talk page. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


Why do you not now threatens to block or let the guy who reversed three times?

Okay, thanks for the reply. Just want to mention that I'm not vandal, just a little stubborn. But I have learned about the 3RR, so I'm not infrigindo it.
Yes, I am now seeking to resolve differences through conversation. And thank you, but I notice if needed.

Raulseixas (talk) 22 February 2012 (UTC)

User:Jun19 - Defaultsort

Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO "here",

he continues with the stuff (see here, and he continues to be tongue-tied and "summary-tied". Ah, and his undiscussed page moves ALWAYS contain the same summary, the ONLY ones which he writes ("X player is known as Y").

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Another (here! Surprise, surprise, has not joined (nor will he!) the discussion, i'll eat my hat if he does... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:10, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Would you see fit if i send him a message in Portuguese as it seems to be his mothertongue also (operating 99,999999999999% on Brazilian football)? I mean do you think it's of relevance? If it is not and you have got everything in check, i'd rather not, because as i have told you, really don't feel being in touch with a whole lot of users now :(

Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:33, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

WOW! He responded! Certes, no insults or attacks, but his answer was more of the same. It reads: "I think that in DEFAULTSORT the name should be how players are known, in Brazil most athletes are known by first name or nick, diferently to Europe. That is my opinion."

I have already replied respectfully that his opinion is not that of the majority of the "community", thus asking for some compliance. Let's wait for more... Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:58, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Second reply: "Why can famous players have their nickname or first name in first place in DEF'ORT, and those less famous can't?" He said that because i agreed with him that players like Raí, Romário or Robinho could be ordered under the letter "R", as they are known by their first name. I have already re-replied that it has nothing to do with fame.

Sigh, can't see this exchange of opinions ending well, i guess he'll continue doing as until now... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

The Sun

So any statement which uses The Sun as a source to verify a statement about a living person should be removed? MyStruggle (talk) 10:23, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Christopher Nwaorou

to explain to me what is wrong with my work — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariqnski9 (talkcontribs) 17:04, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Slovak Second League

Further to your help with the Vietnam article, this edit resulted in a page move I made (based on sources) being redirected to the current name. Would you be able to take a look. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 18:56, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, can you also look at this subsequent edit that IQual made relating to the associated move I made for the Slovak top-level league, again sourced. Just noticed that he's also blanked the I Liga page as well. Many thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 12:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyubomir Mihalev

Hi. You requested to be notified about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyubomir Mihalev. It seems that there is a chance he meets WP:NFOOTBALL. The WP:AfD page has more information. -- Sailing to Byzantium (msg), 20:23, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, false alarm according to Sir Sputnik. -- Sailing to Byzantium (msg), 20:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi Snowman, sorry to bother you with this again but you're the only admin I know and you're very active in WP:FOOTY so I figured you'd know best with regards to this issue. The user in question continues to add false stats to player articles and every time he edits I usually have to revert his work or fix it. I've already mentioned to you his unsourced BLP's and how he continually edits "Notable Players" sections to include every single foreign player. I've left him plenty of messages on his talk page but I doubt he even reads them. Long story short, I want to take this to WP:AN or WP:ANI (not sure which, or if they're the same). Do you think I have a case? If I do, what should I be showing them? Any help would be appreciated. It's getting tiring to have to continually keep an eye on his edits every time. TonyStarks (talk) 07:39, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Alex Bruce

How can the article be tabloid Trivia when it was published on Twitter for all to see?

Your comments

I would expect better from an experienced editor and Admin. Power has gone to your head I'm afraid. Content is regulated by policy, not opinion and certainly not a newbie Admin's narrow view. And you are also wrong, there are others supporting a change. I suggest getting your facts correct and keeping your snide remarks to yourself might be a good way to kick off your Admin. career otherwise you might find it shorter than you hoped. Don't reply here, there or on my talk page because I have absolutely no respect for you. You are supposed to be an upholder of policy, that is why you were given special responsibilities, not to protect your friends or push your own non-policy point of view. Leaky Caldron 12:43, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Are you serious? "You are both mistaken" = lol. The only person arguing the same as you Leaky! Everyone else seems to agree on the matter." Firstly, using LOL towards anyone you are in dispute with is a clear jibe and an attempt to belittle a fellow editor in a public space. I would find it unacceptable from anyone, from an admin. it is inexcusable. The only person arguing the same as you Leaky! Again, a belittling jibe compounded by the fact that you are factually wrong. At least 2 other editors have commented along similar lines to myself. "Everyone else seems to agree on the matter" - plainly wrong. What in fact you are demonstrating is a willingness to join in with the general view but failing to distance yourself by acknowledging another editor's fair argument which is based on policy and not entirely unsupported by others. If you were doing your job as an experienced editor, much less an Admin. you would be attempting to see the dispute from all perspectives, even if your own opinion in the matter is fixed. At least you would then appear to be even handed. The pointy style of your attack on my view, the "LOL" and the attempt at a joke on my behalf amounts to a personal attack. Leaky Caldron 13:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
and I told you to make whatever change that will improve the accuracy of the NUFC article. Clearly, given the cabal, you will be entitled to make the change whereas I am not welcome to incorporate encyclopaedic, reliably sourced changes to the infobox. Why do I keep raising the fact that you are an Admin?, because I expect the highest standard, whether you are acting as an Admin. or not. You should not take sides in a dispute without clear justification, disregard policy based changes due to some prior agreement and above all, not demean and belittle good faith editors who just happen to have stumbled across a clique who seek to control all soccer related content. Leaky Caldron 13:59, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
The NUFC article, the one I'm talking about, has not been updated. Both the infobox and lead contain editor preference, not reliably sourced fact. Leaky Caldron 14:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Apart from the pipe to SJP, which is entirely correct, that is exactly what you and "57" refused to tolerate last week [5]. This has never been (for me) about the SJP article. If you now agree that the NUFC change is authentic then I would be obliged if you would make it and please tell "57" to get off my back. Leaky Caldron 14:28, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
I can see no reason to discuss it anywhere or obtain approval. WP:BRD is a perfectly acceptable device in the hands of normal editors. I see no reason to show undue deference to the likes of "57" who has already made his view very clear. Leaky Caldron 14:41, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Both you and #57 have repeatedly claimed consensus on this issue. If you've been following the discussion you will see that no such consensus is documented. Any thoughts? Leaky Caldron 18:08, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Any better work by me

Ohakay dear, you've found just fault with my edits till now Face-sad.svgFace-confused.svg. Can you tell me is there any better work by me in sense of quality and other wiki requirements and more importantly in your opinion? Teeth.png tell me, and one more thing for me?? Plz Answer both questions TariButtar my talk page Face-smile.svg

Muteba Kidiaba

Well, some of your reverts/edits are a little weird, even the pic shows shows his jersey number. Regarding the player's former club, why don't you just add a source? Cheers, Thuglife99

Try the club's official website....

Thuglife99 23:30, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

User:Jun19 - End of the line

With edits such as this one (please see here, he shows he has no intention of abiding by the community's guidelines (did he change the person's default to FOGUINHO, RENAN? No he did not!), let alone the fact he continues with his undiscussed page moves...

I give up, i leave it in your capable hands from now on. Regards and all that - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

  • It has already been moved to RENAN FOGUINHO, by you know who. As i said, if you ask my help on this or any other subject, i will gladly oblige, but will not start any discussion on any topic i feel is wrong (unless it's with you or the other two/three confidants i told you about), a bit tired of JUN19 and akin saying "talk to the hand" (even if i agree with you and say the FOGUINHO edit was correct, JUN pretty much operates on his own). --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I guess you misread my meaning, hence your total silence to my last THREE messages (one complaining about serious vandalism). To soothe you and confirm that i am here to help and be a part of the project (i only told i have difficulty talking and/or approaching (about) certain topics), JUN came today asking what he could do about articles that are duplicated, i gladly informed him about the correct procedures.

Sorry for bothering you (i also know that with adminship comes more work), happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:03, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Delete subpage

I want my subpage named Buttar Sareenh deleted. Is this enough to request you here for deletion?? TariButtar (talk)


Plz Have look, Shaheed-E-Mohabbat is still unreferenced. Should it not be deleted as it's unreferenced for a long time, even i think from the time of its creation?? And have a look my previous edit here too. TariButtar

ok, thank for the subpage deletion Face-smile.svg but why you aren't deleting Shaheed-E-Mohabbat? It's unreferenced so should be deleted why any discussion? Some of my edited and created pages was deleted without any delay and discussion? Why not this one? Face-confused.svg TariButtar

Thank's for the advice

For the advice about whether a edit is minor or not as I wasn't too sure and GiantSnowman you know me well enough now, to know I don't vandalize articles, as I rather improve them for the love of Wikipedia in my free time. MarkMysoe (talk) 10:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

David Luiz

Vandalism of the highest order in this page, am doing what i can (and some of our good teammates), don't think it will be enough, even REGISTERED users (!) are "doing their deeds"... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:31, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


Continues to DESTROY my userpage, User:Satori Son has told me once he and User:Scoelho86 may be the same person, i am getting well enough tired of this abuse and the uncertainty, all of this because i told the "person" Quique Flores was the most common name in EN.WIKI... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 03:46, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I have already asked (twice) for indef page protection to User:Hut 8.5, he said he had everything in check, turns out he has not :( I have lost if in my reply to this "person"! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 03:56, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Hut has replied the protection is INDEF but semi, so there's no avoiding this completely, nice. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 12:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


I thought we supposed to welcome new editors and explain our reversal of edits - [6]. I've done it for you. As an Admin. you are expected to lead by example - so it says here WP:Administrator#Administrator_conduct. Leaky Caldron 19:48, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Good faith? Like this exchange you mean [7], [8]. Leaky Caldron 20:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
No, but you accused me of bad faith. I thought 20 minutes was enough time for you to give the newbie a welcome and explain your reversal, but as you say, your PC crashed. How was I to know? I thought your omission was remiss so I told you. Why is that wrong? Just like your friend in the diffs., you are involved in a content dispute with me and so mutual respect goes out the window. Leaky Caldron 20:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Okay guys, c'mon. It's Sunday night, my team lost this weekend, England lost against Wales, (in other, good news, Norwich were beaten, although it sounds like they didn't deserve it)... what I'm trying to say is let's just move on and focus on the encyclopaedia. We all (me included) need to work harder with new editors, and we all need to work harder with each other. Let's not spoil things, I keep hearing (from various sources) what a great and collaborative project we have at WP:FOOTY and you two are both immensely important to that reputation. Olive branch to each of you, no need for hugs or anything, but please can we share the love a bit? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Long story short - I agree. GiantSnowman 20:50, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Indeed. Well my team lost considerably worse than yours and against a considerably lesser team (no offence intended if Giant is a Baggie). I'm looking forward to seeing a proper consensus discussion about stadium names and will play my part but I'm too tainted (seen in bad faith) to initiate it. Leaky Caldron 20:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm a Bradford City fan first, Hamilton Accies second, the Toon third. Not a great week all round to be honest. GiantSnowman 21:04, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, well if I ever dare summon the energy, maybe I should start an RFC. After all, nearly seven years on Wikipedia, and I've only "featured in" RFCs, never started one...! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


Hello! I really appreciate what you did and doing. Really. I want your attention on Kali, a hindu goddess. There are many articles with exact title listed under the disambiguation page but don't you think that "Kali" should be a disambiguation page and the current Kali should be moved to Kali (goddess), Kali (Hinduism) or any other suitable title.?? What you think? This is bcz users type just 'Kali' in the search bar. Or you think that Kali, a hindu goddess is much important and should be shown first to a user than a list under disambiguation page? Face-smile.svg. TariButtar


Thanks for your talk on Kali and all your quick replies. Now, I wanna know that if a user have the right to demand all or some of his/her contributions to be removed from a particular page or the right to remove his/her contributions himself/herself without any explaining any particular reason. I think it'll be, right?? TariButtar 10:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC) talk to me

File:Punjab district map.png

Please have a look, the image is about the districts of Indian Punjab/East Punjab - the district map of Indian Punjab, but it's an outdated image that not includes the newly born/created districts: Pathankot district, Fazilka district, Barnala district. But as it's used on many pages in english wiki and globally, it's providing an incompelete info. Want you to decide better. TariButtar 15:28, 27 February 2012 (UTC) talk


...and sorry for being (again) so hasty, maybe this was the last time i behave like a (wiki)crybaby :) Regards! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:32, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Fussballdaten template

Yes, but don't you think that in an inline citation it's better to use the cite web template? --Jaellee (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

It's no thing to fight about – if you like it better with the template, change it back. In general, I think this template is a good thing. I've converted lots of Fussballdaten links in the external link sections in the past months. --Jaellee (talk) 19:49, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I think templates of this type really are better off under the external links section. Inline citations should generally use full citation markup ({{Citation}}), in this case, with parameters including accessed date etc. If is used as a source, that's fine, but should not need to be removed from the external links section as well, as was the case recently in the Nigerian footballers playing for Rot-Weiß Oberhausen. But this is only my opinion thus far and I don't fancy an argument about it either. Jared Preston (talk) 20:25, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I suppose the main thing is having the reference there, regardless of format! GiantSnowman 17:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Discussion notification

FYI - Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#User:MarkMysoe. Regards, MarkMysoe (talk 23:57, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


Insults of the highest order continue, this time involving my family (my talkpage, "contributed" as anon), please check User:Thumperward's talkpage for further details. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

48 hours without abuse, i guess it's better than 2... And the "master" account is not blocked, when it is THE SAME "person" (and speaking of IPs, here are two more used by the Colombian "user", and Fair enough. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I understand, but what about XXXX693? This is going so far i have asked for indef/full userpage protection, getting tired of this (no word here because it's not allowed) for doing the right thing at Quique Flores, didn't you see what he wrote on my page?! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, oh and he will, even though i did not reply the slightest now. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Discussion notification

Hi GiantSnowman, I informed so that you could bear witness to the discussion outcome, because you know me well, in that I do not go out intending to vandalize association football players Wikipedia articles the way Oleola and Basalisk portrayed me as doing. GiantSnowman, why is it that no Wikipedia administrator is complaining about my edits on association football players articles in the way civilian editors such as Basalisk and Oleola have done?.

GiantSnowman, do you not think that if what Basalisk says is correct that my edits were (all my edits) are causing harm to Wikipedia, then I would have been permanently blocked from Wikipedia many months ago or possibly a very long time ago and not have been able to make the over 5,000 edits that I have contributed to Wikipedia in the 10 months since I joined Wikipedia on 24 April 2011 (see here). - Regards. 15:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Technicality - Help

Hi there SNOWMAN (oh what would i wiki-do without you!),

by the way, first things first: thanks for being bothered to answer when i cried for help (in the words of the vandal, a "faggot crybaby"), the other two users/admins could not be bothered with one single word. I know it may seem a bit exaggerated to write to so many people, but my desperation was (is?) reaching a pretty high point, each day that passes i rue the day i started editing here, just do not leave because i do not want the vandals to win, and also 'cause i am...well, hooked, so to speak.

So, after that, let's get started, keeping in mind the order in the title of my message: 1 - about the XXXX693/SCOELHO86 situation (a checkuser led by User:Satori Son last year has already proven they edited from the same computer): i know that sometimes different people may use the same IP address, as the computers are located in cybercafes, libraries, etc, etc. My doubt is, is there any possiblity that the same IP address is located in different households (albeit in the same building or so)? If not, it's pretty much obvious that the two are the same (as Satori put it once, playing the "good cop, bad cop" mindgame with me), the doubt is killing me!

2 - Could you please provide me with your mail address just for one thing? I want to send you a message with a new user name for me, then you can do the needed changes to my account so that i can get rid of this Colombian (no word, lest i break the WP guidelines again) on my back?

Thanks X 2, keep it up my friend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:16, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

  • But you can do it for me right (the username change)? I don't want to give the nice person that is the vandal any clues, because if it's going to remain the same (the harassment that is) i'm fine with VascoAmaral. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Right, and can't you do it on my behalf? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
  • One final question: after the name change, anything remains of my previous account? If so, then we should not bother changing anything. If not and we can wipe the slate clean, could you please go to WP:Changing username and ask (with my total permission) my name is changed (i'll send you an e-mail with my new name)? Thanks.

Gotta love the WP freedom of speech some embrace, with one "person" coming to our page and calling us a faggot, a cry baby and an idiot just for politely disagreeing with them, adding he hates Portuguese people, and (almost) nothing happens even though blocks/warnings occur. Very sad i feel indeed... Please reply to the above ASAP. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

"Great", just saw now, i have more than 50,000 edits, thus am not eligible to the username move. Vandal is coming...Could you do this crybaby just one more favour? Please put my talkpage on your watchlist. Kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


Another issue (will i be insulted here too): could you please help out with this user?

I have let him know - respectfully - on several occasions, that the links he adds to players in La Liga are superfluous (you can't click anywhere, just a pic pretty much, example here, especially with all the other links already available, also SPANISH and also with pics. So far, ZERO words in feedback, and he seems to engage also in the following: i revert him, he waits for a couple of weeks then re-reverts me and/or adds it to players he had not yet.

Boy am i a sucker for punishment! :) Any thoughts? - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:43, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

at ANI

Hi GS, I just want to let you know that I used a comment of yours for my defence at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Unfounded_sanction_and_possible_admin_tools_abuse. It is a really strange situation where I ended up ganded-up and sanctioned without any logical reasons, so I really needed to put things in context to defend myself. I apologise if inconvenient, and as allways, I send you best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 07:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry GS, but I will not take a sanction that goes against WP policies just because a few admins want it. They are not being able to provide one single diff to demonstrate one signle fault on my side. If you notece, I was sanctioned for discussing. Yes, discussing!!! They invented the accusation of TE while I didn´t even edited the article, and I was accused of forumshopping without ever having doubled any thread. Sorry, but as you can see, the previous sanction, which is also kind of polemical, but anyway, is also used as excuse "Oh, you have been sanctioned already", so no, I wan´t take a second sanction, and this one clearly off-line, so in the future they would sanction me again, by saying: "Oh, you are problematic, you have many sanctions...". GS, their arguments are wrong, not backed by diffs and policies, and all they do is providing generical unfair excuses instead of correcting the situation. I explained myself, and I even asked "please", and all I got was a very hard sanction without any base on policies, and a kind of insulting "go edit somewhere else". GS, this is outragius, I would have no problems in taking the sanction if I have made something wrong, but I didn´t, and I challenge them to provide my worste diff of this case, just for everyone to see how ridiculous and wrong this sanction is. GS, if you have a bit of time, please see by yourself that I have not breaked any single policy, I have limited myslef to discussion, and I have receved one of the hardest possible sanctions (users breaking several policies don´t receve such a sanction, I see no reason why should I be discriminated and shut it up). Anyway, thanks for the attention. FkpCascais (talk) 01:41, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
No I didn´t. Please tell me how exactly I violated it? No one is able to provide one single dif to demonstrate it, and I am surprised you repeated the accusation without telling me how did I violated it. There is no way I violated it, if I limited myself to discuss. Don´t you see the irony here? GS, please don´t follow the pattern of your fellow colleagues of telling accusations without having evidence for them. They made a precipitated decition and they simply refuse to rectify it. I challenge them to provide evidence of one single policy I broke (with diffs and explaining how exactly the policy was violated and to demonstrate how a hard 6 months sanction is applied in response to it).
GS, not only I followed everything strictly by the book, but I also removed myself way before the sanction was applied. I got this sanction for purelly revengfull reasons. FkpCascais (talk) 14:38, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
What is clear? They concluded I violated TE and FORUMSHOP, but they don´t provide any diffs to back that, and I didn´t even edited the article, I ONLY discussed. FkpCascais (talk) 15:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Don´t limit yourself to read what they said, but check the facts and see if they backed their accusations. FkpCascais (talk) 15:15, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I aksed Causa sui to extend the protection of the article, I reported to ANI personal attacks and lack of comitment at discussion by DIREKTOR, and I asked Jimbo for advise about about AniMate having provided clear phalse information twice in a row at my ANI report. None of them is repeated. Anyway, it was all well over for already weeks by the time I was sanctioned. I was completelly abscent from the issue for entire two weeks, so the sanction is purelly punitive, and that is not how WP policies recomend. FkpCascais (talk) 15:24, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I could have been eventually warned, or advised, but sanctioned for half a year? FkpCascais (talk) 15:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Don´t you see the irony here? I was blocked 2 times years ago, and the only ever sanction I got was the one which is actually controversial, as I made 2 reverts and 1 edit, while DIREKTOR made 4 clear reverts in the same 24 hours. And you know well the sanction was "sneakingly" imposed without me being noticed and without me having had a chance to say a word. Also, the sanction was 1RR per 48 hours restriction, something I had no difficulties whatsoever to pass trought, a clear indication that I am not a problematic editor neither an edit-warrior. The previous ban being used as excuse is the cumulus of irony, and another reason why I shouldn´t take this unfounded sanction, as they are obviously used to manipulate further snactions and blockes as clearly seen here.
I wasn´t still provided with one single diff nor one single clear indication of any breaking of policy by my side. On the contrary, I actually did everything by the policies, I didn´t reverted nor edit-warred (while the other side did), I discussed and favoured compromise among other users, I complained when I had reasons to, I left the discussion when it was over-heated and kept myself away despite not being happy with the outcome. And my reward is half-year sanction? Purelly punitive btw. GS, I haven´t broke a single policy, I dare to say that in that extremelly hard situation I even did good. FkpCascais (talk) 15:42, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
What "boom"? What 1RR restriction? The article had no restriction whatsoever, that 1RR restriction was imposed to me afterwords, and I never had one single problem with it during the period it was on action, and anyway, it was the previous sanction, and it is over now. I am talking of this new sanction. FkpCascais (talk) 16:02, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
You said "boom", not me, and I didn´t understood the context of it... I never intended to badger you, sorry if you felt that way. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 16:24, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

No, I should apologise, I involved you in this, and then I take my angry tone into your talk page. That tone of mine is certainly also another reason why I get myself missunderstood unfortunatelly. What is frustrating to me is that no one is actually looking to my actions and confirming them. GS, I wouldn´t have any problems in admiting my fault, but I really don´t see any single fault on my side. I didn´t edited the article, I didn´t edit warred, I discussed sources (if I can be accused of breaking TE at my comments, I would like to see at least one as exemple), when confronted by disruption I complained, and to top it all, I abandoned the "crime scene" :) long before the sanction was imposed. The only negative aspect is that I complained at Jimbo´s page about admin AniMate providing phalse statements, but his statements at ANI are actually phalse and malitius, in a sense that he intentionally wanted to turn my complain into a boomerang... So again, I don´t see exactly what better could I have done?

But on the other side,... well, even here I am doing my best to talk only about myself, as recomended by policies, despite the fact that I could make a list of "their" actions...

I just noteced DIREKTOR talked about me today at ANI... Incredible! He says I will edit-war, while I clearly don´t edit-war, but he allways does... And then people beleave in his words, they start thinking we are all nationalists, and get fed up, while I get sanctioned without knowing well why.

I explained myself here, and you know the AE report. When you have time (no rush), if you can, I would really be extremelly greatfull if you could really point me out where exactly I did wrong. In the meantime I will edit more other areas of our interes. :) FkpCascais (talk) 20:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

But I will also certainly understand if you don´t want to further get involved. It is just that it is curious to see that a number of admins are backing up eachother, however no one of them is able to show me one single disruptive action of mine worth some sort of sanction... Actually, this is what makes my defense more complicated, as numerous generical accusations are done against me without clear evidence, so it makes my defense more difficult, as it implies I did something wrong, but without showing me exactly what, so I could defend myself or admit my guilt, if that comes to be the case. FkpCascais (talk) 20:33, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Clean start

Oh, that's a nice one! If the Colombian chap appears again, i'm outta here as VascoAmaral. Obviously will not tell anyone i am this or that account, but of course will not deny it either when "confronted" (we'll just have to ask/answer in riddles :) :) :)). And all the more reason to finally TONE DOWN on my summaries, very stupid sometime...

Cheerio! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:20, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, and in case you have misunderstood it: don't lose my talkpage out of sight just yet, i said i will only start afresh if (when?!) the other comes to stalk me again, not before. Until then, same ole' Vasco still :) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Grant Adam

I have a feeling i could maybe make him meet GNG as he has a lot of press coverage. He has had two previous deleted articles. I know some admins are willing to provide a copy of the deleted text as a userspace draft. Is this something you would be willing to do or check to see if there is anything worth saving in it. Thanks either way.Edinburgh Wanderer 23:06, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Cool thought that might be the case. I'll work on it there are that many articles on him for a variety of reasons so I'm sure I can get it to meet GNG. Thanks for that. How are you getting on with the admin tools are you used to them yet. Edinburgh Wanderer 10:35, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

As you will no doubt be aware he is currently on loan at Airdrie United, though given current events at Rangers that may change shortly! Centre Stand (talk) 18:35, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Could you have a look at User:Edinburgh Wanderer/Player Sandbox and see what you think.Edinburgh Wanderer 23:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry did you get a chance to take a look. Edinburgh Wanderer 13:48, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
thanks I've got slightly mixed feelings on it purely because a lot of them are to do with his court case but there are two that aren't. I've read an article on him in the Scotsman which I'm trying to find. But would rather seek an other opinion. Edinburgh Wanderer 14:26, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
two of the sources are about the under 21s so ilm not sure that's totally the case. He's a notable figure you don't get that many hits otherwise. My personal opinion is he passes it. My searches have been hampered by the court case because when you search they come up first as most recent. There is one from the Scotsman which I'm trying to locate which I read recently I just cannot locate. My concern is others may not. Do you think he's notable even if the majority is the court case. I just don't know. Edinburgh Wanderer 10:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
that makes two of us. Every search is proving tricky as all the more recent stuff is masking it. I'll have another look the night. I'm not overly bothered eithier way I think he will make a pro appearance one of these days. My gut is he is notable but you just never know GNG is always a tricky one. Edinburgh Wanderer 12:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure I'll get much of a reply at the main page so I might just ask some of the more prolific editors for further opinions. Edinburgh Wanderer 12:17, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


What is your decision regarding the DIREKTOR? BoDu (talk) 08:59, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Can you state your suggestion for the community? BoDu (talk) 09:22, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Page protection at Port Vale F.C. ?

The directors have ruined the club but it is ruining my day to constantly revert the vandalism.--EchetusXe 16:55, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Peter Jehle

ALL sources available say he's born in X, anon user, now seemingly registered (for this i wonder?) continues to write, without one word in summary, he was born in Y. DE.WIKI does say he was born in Grabs (Y), but where's the source?

Before the insults start flying, help please o giant one! Have a great weekend, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:08, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Many many thanks! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Airdrie United

Hello GS thanks for sorting that vandalism to the article recently. Looks like the vandalism was done by an infant at Glasgow Caledonian University of all places! The standards of education these days....Centre Stand (talk) 18:30, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Dennis Grainger

Hello GiantSnowman, You probably recall my attempt to edit my Dads wiki page (Sep 11) with respect to his family relationships - I failed miserably :(. I will get around to learning how in time! So just quickly: Dennis Grainger(my Dad) had a brother called Jack who played for Southport. Their cousins were brothers Colin (Sheffield United and England etc) and Jack Grainger (Rotherham, Lincoln and England B). A third brother of Colin and Jack was called Horace who was on the books of both Chesterfield and Burnley (but made no first team appearances and eventually took up Rugby League). Edwin Holliday (Middlesborough, Sheffield Wednesday and England) was Colin and Jacks cousin (not Dads and his brother Jack). Kind regards. --Leftback23 (talk) 19:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC) Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). [1] [2]

Dennis Grainger

Hi again, Dennis (my Dad) and Jack Grainger (my Uncle)were brothers. Their 1st cousins were Colin Grainger and Colins brother 'Jack' (this Jack was Christened John). The Jack Grainger information on the Wiki page is not the brother of Dennis but the brother of Colin. Eddie Holliday was the cousin of Colin and Colins brother Jack (their Mothers maiden name was Holliday). It's confusing trying to write it never mind understand it but I hope this helps:) Regards, --Leftback23 (talk) 19:46, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Dennis Grainger

No, the Jack Grainger on Wikipedia (ie Rotherham and Lincoln footballer) wasn't my Dads brother but his cousin. My Dads brother - Jack Grainger (b 1912 Barnsley) - is a different Jack Grainger (who was a footballer with Barnsley and Southport). --Leftback23 (talk) 20:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Last try at Dennis Grainger

I'll make 1 last attempt to get my Dads page correct: Dennis Grainger had a brother called Jack who played football for Southport FC.

He also had 2 cousins that played football - Colin and another Jack Grainger.

Dennis Grainger was NOT a cousin of Eddie Holliday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leftback23 (talkcontribs) 06:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to sign.

I'll make 1 last attempt to get my Dads page correct: Dennis Grainger had a brother called Jack who played football for Southport FC.

He also had 2 cousins that played football - Colin and another Jack Grainger.

Dennis Grainger was NOT a cousin of Eddie Holliday.

I've never said Eddie Holliday was my Dads cousin - in fact the opposite!

Read the posts carefully - this is like a Monty Python sketch and I'm getting extremely frustrating.

How hard is it to understand that there were 2 sets of 2 brothers and the 2 sets were cousins AND they all played football!!! -- (talk) 09:26, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Thabang Lebese

Please explain to me how he made 39 appearances in a season that had exactly 34 games (97-98). makes a lot of sense...

idc if it is sourced or not, it is just not correct, period

Thuglife99 20:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I think i made a "booboo"...

Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

i found out that there were two articles on Mamadou Djikine, this one and one with an accent in the last letter, where the stats were inflated to the max and the storyline was absolute rubbish (just some stats written in apocalyptical manner). I merged the articles successfully, leaving the one with the correct stats but, after i tried to move the article to "Mamadou Djikiné", as his name is spelled like this, i was not allowed.

Could you please fix it? Thanks a million in advance, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:09, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


Is there an automated way to redirect pages or does it have to be done manually. I was trying to redirect this 1910–11 Rangers F.C. season but realised i cant see a twinkle option.Edinburgh Wanderer 20:57, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Someone should suggest that.Edinburgh Wanderer 21:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Was only kidding know where it is already asked about a different amendment.Edinburgh Wanderer 22:01, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi there m'friend, VASCO here,

one of them vandalism-only account types i bet (will he say or not as one i saw later last week "block me, see if i care"), with what he did in José María Callejón (vandalized box, HONOURS and others, as seen for example here he deserves nothing else but a block, i do not dare peek at what he did in Ángel di María...

Attentively, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:09, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi. I took your advice and I made an appeal at AE. I made a bit large post which will not favour me certainly in getting someone to review it quickly, but I somehow have to explain as much as I can.

Now, the problem is another one, and quite frequent in these situations with this editors. Counting that admins do not know what happend, they come intentionally with missinforming posts, at the one of Peacemaker67 at the AE is (this is my appeal Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_FkpCascais, and his post is found here, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Statement_by_Peacemaker67). That user, which I opposed his edit so he is directly involved in the entire episode, comes and missinforms trying to make it look as my edits are a problem. I didn´t edited the article recently, and I dare to him to put one exemple of any edit of mine that has any sourcing problem! He accuses me of not having sources, while on this subject, beside having gone trough a years long mediation where I, among others (not him btw), extensivelly studied all these sources, Talk:Draža_Mihailović/quotations/ and I have a page of my own at User:FkpCascais/Sandbox23. So not only he tryies to missinform about me not having sources, but he also wants to give the phalse idea of me making some unsourced edits (!). The top of the cherry is that he talks about "Scholarly, reliable sources published outside the former Yugoslavia" while it was exactly what I defended against his local unscholar sources whith which he backed his claim, as you can see at Nuujinn´s opposition to their sources at bottom of Talk:Chetniks/Archive_5#Discussion_of_content...

GS, I am really becoming tired of this, they just add mess and missinform without ever being sanctioned for it. And I allways bring diffs and evidence for all my claims, but at eyes of uninvolved people it ends up being all too messy and I end up being sanctioned as the easier solution... :( Not fair, and definitelly not how WP should work. FkpCascais (talk) 17:11, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

FkpCascais is an incredibly "persistent" user (if that's the right word to use), this is a goodly part of why he was topic banned in the first place. As I pointed out at the very start of this affair - he will never ever stop trying to get his sanction lifted. And when it expires, because he considers himself in the right, he will resume his activities in exactly the same manner. -- Director (talk) 14:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much GS. FkpCascais (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Bill Curry

Hello. As the primary target Bill Curry is an ex-player of American football, I thought (footballer) would be misleading, or at least not unambiguous. (English footballer) makes it bleedinobvious, which is the object of the exercise for the benefit of those readers using the helpful suggestions dropping down below the search box. What irritated me about the various Curries was that no-one had bothered putting a hatnote on the primary target to point to the dab page... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Good idea, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Newcastle article

Just an FYI, the IP is correct - the Sunderland attendance is the new record at the ground (the figure added is that given in the BBC Sport match report, and is higher than the previous one), but the relevant sources haven't been updated to reflect that (the second source doesn't actually say anything about the Premier League record anyway). Number 57 16:17, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


Yes please, taken me around two hours just to get to this stage!

Far to confusing for me

Love the page on my father (Les Cocker), never seen it before, where do people get this info?

Would love to post a couple of photos up on the page but way beyond me, dont know if you are 'into' Football (soccer,,,) but it would be great to have some input into his 'legacy' for the future

Regards David Cocker — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wobbyprop (talkcontribs) 21:36, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Djima Oyawolé

Please do not Undo another persons draft without contacting the writer first.

I was the person who added a draft to the player and I'm not sure where I've made any controversial statements about this person, however I've added some more sources if it makes you happy.

P.S. I must add for someone who created the page you seem to know shockingly little about him.

Yours Sincerely Kai Lau (Talk) 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Um, I did contact you explaining the problem - right above. You added unreferenced information about a living person. I was fully in my right to remove it. Thanks for now adding a source. GiantSnowman 10:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

In response to your comments you sent me:

Yes you did contact me at 13:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC), however I checked the View history of Djima Oyawolé where it clearley states you deleted my draft at 13:21, 9 March 2012‎ (UTC). This suggests you were simultaneously deleting my draft and sending me a massage at the same time. This is not sufficient time to rectify any mistakes I may have made and I find your actions extremely rude.

P.S. Next time please provide 24 Hours after writing a message of someones mistake before you go on to delete their draft, allowing them to rectify any mistakes they may have made. Unfortunately you did not allow me this common decency, however I hope you learn from this mistake and understand that there are actually others who are trying to help improve Wikipedia.

Yours Sincerely Kai Lau (Talk) 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Apologies if my tone has come across as rude, I certainly didn't intend it to be that way. I messaged you directly after deleting your contribution, and as there was a 13 hour period between you adding the information and me removing it, that was more than enough time for you to have referenced Don't forget - the "burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material". Regards, GiantSnowman 17:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

In response to your comments you sent me:

I have read the "Burden of evidence" page you provided and have found that I did not damage the reputation of Djima Oyawolé, more importantly you ignored adding a citation needed tag as an interim step before deleting my draft. I did not realize that I had made a mistake with my draft and when I received your message I was expected to be provided with a 24 Hour window of opportunity to rectify any mistakes I made, this was not provided by you and that is why I find your actions so deplorable. While my actions were unintentional your actions weren't and you immediately dismissed my draft even though what I wrote was correct.

Yours Sincerely Kai Lau (Talk) 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Have you read the [citation needed]? It says, quite clearly, "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons should be removed immediately. Do not tag it: immediately remove it." GiantSnowman 18:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

In response to your comments you sent me:

Yes I have read Citation needed and may I actually quote it, it actually says "Controversial, poorly-sourced claims in biographies of living people should be deleted immediately." May I highlight the word Controversial, which my draft was not. As for where you found "Do not tag it: immediately remove it." is beyond me.

P.S. I do not want a slanging match between us, however I do want you understand you did not provide me with any time to rectify any mistakes I made since you sent me a message and I found that action rude.

Yours Sincerely Kai Lau (Talk) 12 March 2012 (UTC)

You had 13 hours to add a source - is that not enough time? GiantSnowman 19:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

In response to your comments you sent me:

As I pointed out before I did not realize that I had made a mistake with my draft until I received your message, where you allowed me no time to rectify my draft.

P.S. As I said earlier I do not want a slanging match between us, I believe I have made my points about your actions clear and I personally believe this matter closed. If you persist with this subject I will be reporting you.

Yours Sincerely Kai Lau (Talk) 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Gerson Magão

The footballer Gérson Magrão is playing for Santos, not for Braga.

James Martin (Scottish footballer)

Help. Ive probably just created the worst article ever. Actually its not that bad but i cant find his Date of birth or birth location and I'm now doubting if he is scottish. Soccerway and Transfermarkt which i know isn't reliable say he's scottish and soccerbase say english. Searches aren't being helped by a James Martin who has made his debut for east fife this season who to be honest until today i thought may have been the same player as an old link on soccer way had him down as on loan which they have now removed and created separate profiles. Hamilton website has been down tonight although I'm not sure how much help would be anyway. Do you have any other ideas where i can look.Edinburgh Wanderer 23:16, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Been think about creating it for a whilst but the confusion with the other player put me off. Thanks for the date of birth never thought the BBC would have that. The SFL page has the match info [9].Edinburgh Wanderer 12:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Strange NAC

Thought I would flag this up with you. Doesn't seem appropriate to have a non-admin closure without consensus, especially from a user who participated in the discussion. Talk:Daniel Zeleny#Requested move. Also I noted that of the four references three have the single L spelling and one ( has the double L. To make matters even more interesting, looks like a COI in the move discussion (see usernames). Should I take it to WP:AN? Cloudz679 21:32, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

i have had already read this, and it makes ZERO sense in my humble opinion, now matter how much it's sugar-coated. So what is meant is that, if someone sees KAISERSLAUTERN alone in the box, or KARSLRUHER for that matter, the reader will not know which club it is? Yes, it's much more "logical" to write "1.FC KAISERSLAUTERN" in the box, then pipe it (?) in the storyline...

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


Science2.png Research Participation Barnstar
For your participation in the survey for Anonymity and conformity on the internet. Michael Tsikerdekis (talk) 13:39, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Slovak First League

Hi GS, further to your earlier help on this topic, you can see from this diff that User Iqual has again 'moved' an article name using an incorrect method. To be fair he may have felt in this instamce he had the backing to make a move because of an RM decision at the current season article - Talk:2011–12 Slovak First League. I raised a query about this decision (see my talk page), and believe it is not appropriate for an RM on a current season article, but rather this should have been discussed at the parent article. Nevertheless, the parent article was not the subject of the RM and thus the parent article should be moved back to Slovak Super Liga and the page history restored. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 08:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


Hey snowy, the above user PRODed their own user space draft, I informed them that this was only for articles & removed it. I told the user that if they wanted to delete the draft they would have to tag it with a speedy deletion tag U1 & sent them a link for how to do it. The user preceded to tag their own talkpage with the link I sent them. I removed it & told them to tag the draft with the{{db-u1}} but they tagged their own talkpage again with wikicode part included. The user obviously has a limited understanding of both English & Wikipedia could you just go ahead & delete the page for them. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 10:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, appreciated. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 10:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Regarding that silly AfD discussion for Turkish Regional Amateur League...

...and your comment to involve some Turkish-speaking editors in order to improve the article – we have quite a few people who are regulars on the various current Turkish league season articles. Nmturkey (talk · contribs), Aozm (talk · contribs) and Omerlaziale (talk · contribs) immediately come to my mind. Perhaps those three might be able to help? --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 19:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#India_task_force

User:Arsenalkid700 posted again the other day but didn't get much of a reply. As you posted originally I'm wondering if you could chip in. Im half tempted to help but three of the users listed are him, so I'm a bit concerned not sure where to go with it.Edinburgh Wanderer 18:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Hello GiantSnowman, I appreciate your football love! Nmturkey (talk) 21:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


Now in Raúl Fabiani (please see here, this is getting well beyond wikicreepy, and NO SUMMARIES as always!

Kind regards, have a great weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 12:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Turkish Regional Amateur League

For the Turkish amateur division: neither the TV channels nor the national newspapers are interested in amateur clubs. You can't find the results of the amateur division on them. Only regional newspapers (some of them on their websites too) publish these results and a football portal web site follows minute by minute all these matches. Most of these clubs' stadiums don't have floodlights and their capacities are lower than 5.000, perhaps there are only a few exceptions.

If you want to expand/not delete the page, I'll support you, don't hesitate. I wrote this message for informing you about Turkish amateur division: this is locally important as stated on its name, "regional". But we can keep alive or create some important clubs played in Turkish First League/Super League before (like Erzurumspor, Fatih Karagümrük, Zonguldakspor etc.) or some regionally important teams (Beykozspor, Düzcespor, Ağrıspor -their stadium contains floodlights-, Artvin Hopaspor firstly come to my mind).

Would you like to expand team details or would you like to have all of the matches/standings regarding 2011-12 season? - --Nmturkey

"Players" to watch out

Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

Serious serious matter, one "topic" directly involving me (and others before): 1 - anon IP, and pretty standard it seems (please see here, has been blocked before for abusive language and/or vandalism, and now has returned again, as seen in Sergio Busquets and his father (see here and here;

2 - someone whom i see you have already come across, some two or three weeks ago and today, User:Banana Fingers (already BLOCKED once as the chap above), what do we make of him and his manners (his userpage should really be a warning of what's "to come" - "This is my userpage so piss off!")? Prior to the incident you noticed, one simple message from me (see here, deserved this answer (here I know i have used sarcastic/ironic summaries in the past now and then (i should not) - doing so in Juan Luis Guirado which led to him labeling me as a "wanker" and akin - and insulted vandals (i DEFITINELY should not), but is was way over the top...

Just briefing you my friend, keep it up and merry next week from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 12:20, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

  • When i wrote "Players" in my message title, i meant the two nuisances, hence the quotation marks, not the Busquets players ;) But good thing you'll monitor them, as will i! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


SNOWY, i don't know what this is (please see here, but it's probably utter rubbish my friend. This "Honduran club" has the logo of Villarreal CF (from Spain!) and many of its players are real players that play for its reserves, Villarreal CF B.

As i am sadder and sadder at the way my WP:FOOTY reports are simply ignored (last two or three that is, i'm not saying always), thought i'd bring this to your attention. Methinks "delete" would be a good verb :) Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

After checking this article, it does seem there is a club in Honduras with that name (unless this article is also vandalism!). However, players are fake (after checking it better, i can assure you that the right column in the squad is comprised ENTIRELY of Villarreal B players, and even the manager (JULIO VELAZQUEZ)!! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi there man, starting the week hopefully well,

regarding this message i sent to this user (please see here and let's see if get any reply), i think i'm on the right and he's on the wrong so to speak. He's been adding the nomination for UEFA TEAM/PLAYER OF THE YEAR in many many many players as an honour, and i beg to differ.

That's like saying F.C. Arouca ranking fifth in the 2010–11 Liga de Honra is an honour because it was the best ever place they achieved in the competition so far. I don't know if it's a good thing to treat Fábio Coentrão as Meryl Streep but, as always, i leave it in your experienced and capable hands. I vote NO it's not an honour, which way do "you go"?

Regards, respect - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi Snowman, I was actually trying to find sources for those articles the other day but gave up quickly since I've been under the weather. I'll give it another go in the coming days. I've already added details to some of the other editions of the U17 tourney and will try to do the same for those two editions. TonyStarks (talk) 17:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Surprise (and not a good one)

User:Creed7, obviously a die-hard fan of Valencia CF (his edits) has never written a summary, but i was cool with that, no big worries (many many many here never do). However, after seeing what i saw at Bruno Saltor Grau i am mesmerized (see here - subsequently he thought it was too much and removed the final sentence, but it was STILL TOO MUCH, until i "rolledback").

This because the player had an horrible game - i saw it, he was owned by the opposing Getafe CF players, and it culminated with an own goal - but still no excuse to vent your personal and/or sporting frustrations here. I have already messaged him, politely but to the point, if you want to add anything...

Cheerio! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Sock evading?

Another one man, can't stop bothering you :(

Have a look at this briefing i sent to the person who blocked (please see here, no need to elaborate on your talkpage thus, has to be the same "user", as you can see in those lists provided, "contributions" are 99,9999999999999999% the same.

Also, User:Steadyfingers' userpage i think also constitutes a WP violation, as he's posing as a player or manager with all those honours for REAL teams (here Not sure about that one being "illegal", but i'd cut my hand (left or right you choose) so sure i am Fingers IS Rocky! Maybe if the admin who first blocked, User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, is not all that familiar with the soccer subject as we two are, you could lend a hand (and ask for my help of course!); plus, FPS has been wiki-absent for nearly three days now, so it might turn out it would be best you took care of it or pass it on to someone who could handle it.

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Even though it is not needed such is the blatant similarity, i requested a checkuser at WP:SPI, but my display was utter rubbish to put it mildly (see here :( Could you please lend a hand and/or comment there? Thanks. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 12:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Chris Johnston

Not quite sure if I'm going to create a wiki article on Kilmarnock's Chris Johnston yet, but if I was it would be a problem as there's a current redirect in that name could I speedy delete it or would I have to take it to WP:RFD. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 09:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok thanks, not much info available for him yet & I've a few other articles to create might leave it a few days. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 09:33, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeah feel free. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 09:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Graham Oates Spectacular Own Goal

Hi GiantSnowman sorry but i was intending to use Paul Joannou's excellent Newcastle United A-Z but i can't get the reference number to work. If you are familiar with it then please include it as its surely very, very relevent. -- (talk) 18:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Its in Black 'n' White Alphabet A Complete Who's Who of Newcastle United by Paul Joannou, ISBN 1899538038 page 308. But this such a famous incident in Newcastle United history it must appear in other books too. A bit more additional info ive left out which you may want to include - it was against Leeds United and in the restart he did the same thing again only for keeper McFaul to make the save. Thanks -- (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Its been mentioned on radio program's that he was just "that sort of character", Malcolm MacDonald regulary mentions it on his radio show when listeners ask him. Supermac say's that he's still exasperated when thinking back to that game. -- (talk) 18:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


Ive mailed you.Edinburgh Wanderer 18:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


As i've expected, the SPI yielded NO FEEDBACK. The guy has returned to Luis Enrique Martínez García, removing the SPORTING B field, inserting "forbidden" picture, amongst others. I've rolledback, but ceased all communication with this individual - i fear anything i could say might not be very pleasant (i don't own Enrique's article or WP, but this lack of respect is killing me!). Another one of his M.O. seems to be the following: leaving ZERO paragraphs in text, "gluing" all the sentences (which ACIYOKROCKY, the original account, also did).

Cheerio - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

  • I turned to User:Thumperward, who also left me hanging, the SPI continues to say nothing. Ok, nevermind, i still have rollback and edit war (article's on my watchlist, only problem is it's the only one from his "contributions"). --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:29, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
  • So, if he does not get his due block, article stays WRONG instead of RIGHT because i cannot revert? Ok, i must respect the guidelines. Sorry for being so hasty, i know people have other issues, here and outside, maybe it's me that thinks that whenever people see a message they should reply it a.s.a.p., at least i do it ALWAYS.

Cheers - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:52, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Please have a look at this "contribution" at Raúl González, removed everything in box regarding B and C clubs, without one word (please see here --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Inconsistencies between category titles & category descriptions

I started the above discussion but didn't get many replies, could you take a look, I'd appreciate more input before the section is archived. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 10:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Sources of Lee Ramoon info

Lee Ramoon made 5 appearances for Stockport County Reserves, scoring vs Everton, according to the site "gogocounty". The rest of the stats are compiled from various sources, including European Football Yearbook 1995-96 (Welsh Premier League stats & dates), Rothman's Football Yearbook of the same vintage (Altrincham stats), a Winsford United history site (dating his Winsford spell to November 1994), among others. I have not been able to date his loan spell at Burscough, though. But I would guess that it came a f t e r his loan at Winsford United.

Info on his club career in the Cayman Islands is hard to come by. I have most of it from the Cayman Compass newspaper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:32, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

PS -- Oops! Forgot to sign. My name is Odd Jenssen. I live in Oslo, Norway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:39, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


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He continues, in Luis Enrique but now also in Gonzalo Higuaín (box removals just because). If i remember it well, you have already blocked somebody in your early days as an admin, so why not here? Or can't you pass it on to somebody, User:Thumperward (who continues to ignore me like there's no tomorrow, wish i'd knew what i've done him) or similar?

This is getting beyond obnoxious (the sock vandalism i mean). Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:49, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

  • I will drop another line in WP:FOOTY, hopefully someone will notice you (that will take some of the pressure and/or burden of you or Chris), referring to the current state of the SPI. Cheers! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:51, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
And wouldn't you know? User:Future Perfect at Sunrise has returned to action. Feeback to guessed it right, NONE! If i was megalomaniac or the sorts, i would begin to think this was a plot. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:52, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Done, FPS blocked the sock! Sorry man for being so hasty, i was only trying to help, but not in the best of ways i'll have to admit (we have a saying in Portugal that goes more or less like "hastiness is not a good adviser"), kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Quick question

Hi Snowy. You know I have been digging out things about old Yugoslav football and so, and I found out that SK Jugoslavija had an English coach during 6 months in 1927. The problem is his name. In Serbian publications the foreign names are written in the way they sound, thus giving preference for correct pronounciation, but that obviously brings a major problem when one wants to confirm the correct spelling of someone´s name. The English coach is named Hari Lenk. Now, Hari is certainly Harry, but Lenk? Is it poossible to be Lank? Anyway, could you give me a clue about how would his surname be correctly spelled in English, and also, do you have a clue who the coach may be? FkpCascais (talk) 20:43, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I´ll ask there to see if any other British editor may know something. FkpCascais (talk) 00:52, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


National Football team says they never played for Japan. Yet the source shows they played in that tournament which our article leads me to believe is the Japanese national team. If it wasn't a senior tournament then our article is misleading. Am I missing something here. Edinburgh Wanderer 00:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Ive done that, although it kills me as i don't really want to contribute there at all.Edinburgh Wanderer 14:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Just reluctant to post there to often at the moment. Would rather leave it alone if possible, think thats for the best anyway. Just an odd one because if it wasn't the main national team then there may be other articles that would fall under the same issue. That and the main article i think would need changed to reflect the fact as well.Edinburgh Wanderer 15:03, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Name change

Hello GiantSnowman. Can you change my name to simply Progenie? Thanks a lot. Progenie of the great apocalypse (talk) 21:11, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

re: Abdus Ibrahim

Sorry about that. I should've known better than that considering I've done this for quite a while (editing pages that is). — Michael (talk) 20:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Concerning Editor

This user has PRODed a large amount of articles, a number of which pass WP:NFOOTBALL as they played in Indonesia Super League which is fully pro. Rather surprising given the fact they are Indonesian & a WP:Footy member. Could you deprod where appropriate, I'm going on wikibreak & don't feel comfortable leaving them. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 01:07, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, back early. There may be one or two outstanding going to have a check now. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Hamilton players

I had a look at it myself on Saturday but decided against creating it because didn't know very much. Based on the info already in the article i found he signed as an amateur with Hamilton in January.[10]. However according to the SFA page he signed for Boness in February from Harmony Row. [11]. Having similar problems with Mark McGuigan a new partick player.Edinburgh Wanderer 13:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem, will keep and eye out for anything else that comes up. Hope you don't mind but added the page to the new articles page.Edinburgh Wanderer 21:30, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Ive created Blair Currie as I've seen you know already. His Dob may be an issue, Rangers[12] and transfermarkt have 25 May 1993, Soccerway have [13] 19 January 1993 and Uefa have 19 February 1994[14]. BBC have nothing, so I've went with the Rangers one. Also Rangers source said he signed for Hamilton on 30 December however Hamilton say opening day of transfer window so went with that.Edinburgh Wanderer 21:32, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Any idea what to do about the date of birth thing. Somebody has already changed it.Edinburgh Wanderer 19:18, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Yip well aware of transfermarkt and that is won't be seen overall as a reliable source they take it from an available source which my guess would be Rangers sometimes it is useful though and user inputted a bit like wiki. Only mentioned it in the overall scheme of sites that have this players dob. Its a dodgy one first time I've come across three date of births, two maybe but three and they all are reliable sources. Im tempted to mail Rangers and Hamilton for clarification, original research but then as long as the answer matched any of the sources then it would be backed up. Anyway id appreciate if you would watch the page as well. Edinburgh Wanderer 19:59, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Disruptive IP

Hey GS, this IP keeps adding information to Paddy McCourt. I've tried discussing it with him on one of his talk pages, User talk:, but he wouldn't give a reasonable response. I have now reached the maximum warnings on two of his other talk pages User talk:, User talk: but he keeps adding it in. I've requested protection for the page. I also undid an inappropriate of his edit on another page [15] and he also reverted me there saying he was undoing vandalism. Any help would be appreciated thanks. Adam4267 (talk) 18:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Well that reference doesn't actually work, at least not for me. However, it was not the edit I considered vandalism but his repeated attempts to put it in without discussion. The reason I didn't think it should be in was because it's not relevant to Paddy McCourt's page. Adam4267 (talk) 19:02, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes and the IPs unwillingness to discuss the content is why I considered what he was doing vandalism. Adam4267 (talk) 19:08, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

RE:Harmeet Singh

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Hi there my friend, VASCO here,

having said all that was important at WP:FOOTY, i'll only add: thanks for that friendly hand you lended, will certainly take it if i ever need to! Keep up the great work and hope things go even better for you in the "outside" world, you deserve it if i may say so :)

Ciao! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:54, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

James Mulley

That's odd, I don't actually know why I would have done that. I must have done it by mistake when trying to restore the n dash in the infobox. Sorry, genuinely didn't mean to remove the referenced material. --Jimbo[online] 12:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Dunloy F.C.

You may want to revisit the above deletion discussion due to recent developments. Regards ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 08:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Jun19 - Def'orts

Hi there SNOWMAN, it is i your Portuguese "quitter" friend, i'll still pop out for the odd edit once in a while, as anon. If the fired rekindles, then i'll get in touch with you (and User:Hut 8.5 for the "tecnhicalities".

In doing that odd edit, found "it", Jun does not care after what we told him (i remember i sent him a message two or three days before leaving, NO REPLY), see him go to work in Bruno Veiga (here - def'ort placed as BRUNO VEIGA instead of VEIGA, BRUNO), he continues with his undiscussed page moves, with ALWAYS the same poor excuse of a summary ("X" is known as "Y").

Kind regards, as always - -- (talk) 00:49, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

One more thing before i "fade out": have messaged User:Thumperward about a guy he blocked some months ago and which has returned to active, with the same M.O. (please see here If Chris decides to ignore me AGAIN, please do something about it either directly or indirectly.

Regards! -- (talk) 17:23, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry! Chris has replied, he just did not promise anything. Sorry to bother you too, bye for now (but "leave you" with another AfD extraordinaire, Enrique Gandul Aparicio (no proof he played pro games for Toulouse FC, only lowly Spanish clubs as my storyline proves, Segunda División B). -- (talk) 20:07, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Iranian football articles

You seem to review alot of the new footballers. You may want to pay extra attention to the new Iranian footballers. The person creating them is doing a copy and paste on the categories. I don't think they were all born in 1949 and played for the exact same clubs, especially when different clubs are mentioned in the article. I just noticed yesterday and will try to keep an eye out, but just in case... Bgwhite (talk) 01:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


I seem to remember you are good with tables, sorry if i am wrong. I need help with User:Edinburgh Wanderer/List of Cowdenbeath F.C. seasons. Basicly for season 1939-40 i want to include two League divisions, Div one and the Western league with final table results. Not sure how to include without adding twice.Edinburgh Wanderer 20:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

(tps) Check out List of Brighton & Hove Albion F.C. seasons (1902–03 in particular). The formatting is a little messy, but has been accepted at Wikipedia:Featured Lists. —WFC— 20:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Looks rather complicated is there a simpler version. Feel free to take a look i want to cover as much as possible including the war league. Edinburgh Wanderer 22:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Duck has fixed it for me.Edinburgh Wanderer 15:36, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

ANOTHER Brazilian vandal

Don't know if this address is shared by several people, but one using it is engaged in SERIOUS VANDALISM (and you've already warned him for it, please see here, for instance inserting false info in several Spanish players, saying that they are internationals when they are not (oddly enough, they all won their cap against LIECHTENSTEIN!), example Sergio Fernández González (seen here; another "victim" was Óscar García Junyent.

Kind regards again and always - -- (talk) 15:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


Better research before calling somebody a vandal. As far as I know, Wikipedia articles doesn't need to be referrence to other articles. Thanks and have a good day :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:51, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

About your previous answer, if they are not mentioned as internationals by FIFA, vandalism is on the own Wikipedia article I've used for referrence. I've just used information from one article to another200.131.19.241 (talk) 19:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but with those external links (including FIFA), how am I supposed to know that somebody has mischanged players? Anyway, I've corrected that article from UEFA qualifying200.131.19.241 (talk) 19:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Clearly good faith edits there, i have already apologized to the Brazilian user for using the word "vandal". Speaking of Brazilians, JUN19 keeps pushing my buttons... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Would Islam Feruz pass GNG

Hi GS, I know I've bothered you in the past about articles which don't meet NFOOTY but I think meet GNG, and generally been wrong. However, I am really sure that this article meets GNG. Even still, I'd like to hear what you think. Thanks Adam4267 (talk) 19:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll add a bit more about Tommy Burns and his international career. Later tonight or tomorrow then tell you once I've done that. Adam4267 (talk) 19:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Ok I've expanded more now. If you could unSALT is when you get a chance. Cheers Adam4267 (talk) 15:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the help GS. Adam4267 (talk) 21:35, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Changing Kits

Hi Snowman, Do you know, or know anyone who knows how to change the kits for football/rugby clubs? Pontypool RFC's kit is wrong. Currently it's red and white hoops, but should be red, white and black hoops. Any ideas? Thanks Shenko316 (talk) 16:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, but to be honest with you I have no idea how to change the design. Do you know anyone who does? Or could? Thanks Shenko316 (talk) 19:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Whatever is easier, it may need a new design unless it can be changed? Here's a link to how it should look... Thanks Shenko316 (talk) 20:11, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

What to do

What do you do when someone votes twice in an AfD. Cross out their vote, revert or something else & what type of warning do you give them there doesn't seem to be designated template warning for this. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 21:28, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


Is there anything you could advise to do about the following IP's,,,,other then bringing them to WP:AIV it's the same user using multiple IP's to avoid being blocked constantly removing categories from BLPs, I've tried talking to him. Myself, Murry & Matty have all been reverting the IP. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 14:02, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok if lets say I decide to request a rangeblock should I 1) first request a checkuser to check the number of people effected on the checkuser talkpage 2) Put in a request at WP:AN & then leave a note at the checkuser talkpage notifying them of my request 3) Someting else. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Now at WP:ANI Requesting RANGEBLOCK Thanks for the advice ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Harmeet Singh

Hi there.

I've now added a reference to Harmeet Singh's career statistics, but I still don't find those numbers contentious, so I have a little prayer for you: The next time you find something unsourced about a Norwegian footballer (or Norway-related), instead of simply removing it add a citation needed or unreferenced section tag, leave me a message on my talk page, and wait 14 days with removing it and I'll try to find a reference! Articles about Norwegian footballers are simply to low-quality, and if we were to remove all unsourced info it wouldn't be much left, but I'm trying to improve the situation. Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 01:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Harry McCourt mini-bio

The IP who was adding this to Paddy McCourt's page is back and doing it again. It seems like he is refusing to listen to anyone and isn't going to stop trying to add the information. Is it possible you could do something? Thanks Adam4267 (talk) 19:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


Indeed, lets hope it works, I was only privy to the situation a number of weeks but apparently it had been going on quite some time the IP really showed his true colours with the blatant threat towards Murry. Thanks again for the advice much appreciated. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


The above user has been PRODing his talk page & has been advised by four different users not to do so. Now he has done it again can you take appropriate action. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Slightly more to that one. The other day he moved his user and talk pages to article space check move log. They got deleted leaving a redirect and then he began prodding his page. Rather odd.Edinburgh Wanderer 18:19, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I think this user wants to "opt out" of having a user talk page. I tried advising him that he can simply blank the page whenever he wants but that he can't opt out. I also caught that the user moved his user and user talk pages to mainspace and that both were subsequently deleted; I asked Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs), the deleting admin, to restore the history to the user talk page, which it appears he did (the first time I looked at the page history there was nothing before 21 April). The user appears to have email enabled; perhaps a gently worded email is in order. —KuyaBriBriTalk 19:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Júlio Regufe Alves

Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

could you have a look at this message to User:Thumperward (please see here The article of Alves itself and its edit history will give you a further (better) idea of what this is all about.

The article continues to be vandalized (i'm pretty sure it's persecution towards me, the player is rather obscure, and the "new infobox" could not be farther from the correct one, just see the two links, Portuguese as the player). I only lost it with the vandal after three or four attempts of polite conversation (or an attempt at such), he was mocking me/the article/WP long before i did that. Now, like i said to Chris, i have stopped doing that, i only rollback, but he couldn't care less - apparently, as Chris, he continues to return ZERO in feedback, and addresses the other queries in his page :(

Ah and of course i'm not going to "dedicate" another word to this Spanish "user", i mean "word" as in "attempt to figure out his editing patterns", what the use?! Attentively, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:41, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes, as i told Chris, i am as hasty as my old self, not improving there but it only stems from my zero tolerance to vandalism (that has not changed one bit also, only my manners). Just that it's very frustrating man...ah, and the article is also on my watchlist and I PROMISE again i won't feed him, only rollback so if you want to, you can remove it from yours.

Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:11, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


And who does something about this "user" (please see this "contribution" here Continues to be warned, including by you, he says "talk to the hand".

Unfortunately for some i am not an admin, this guy would be so blocked as we speak (or before!). I have already asked User talk:Kosm1fent to have a go in Greek to try and achieve communication, but (read my lips) it WON'T solve anything (done with AGF my friend). Cheers - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

And this one (see here, aka User:Bruno corinthiano (blocked indef), is made from the same cloth, still on the loose... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

IFFHS articles

Good morning, Mr Snowman. Belated congratulations on your adminship. Given your history with it, I thought this might interest you. It seemed familiar to me so I had a look and it seems to be a recreation of that. Jarni17 (talk · contribs) has been busy it seems and is probably شالكة راؤول (talk · contribs). Ah who am I kidding, it's blatant. Persistent, I'll give them that. Socking and recreating deleted material, hmm. I'll leave you to do the honours. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 06:29, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Will do. Have a good one. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 13:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Raulmohammed (talk · contribs) *facepalm* Is there a way we can delete all this rubbish without going to AfD? Argyle 4 Lifetalk 17:24, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I've G5'd a couple of the goal scorer articles. If that works then I'll do the same with the other two that aren't at AfD – they were both Prodded by me three days ago. IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper will need to go to AfD and the other two have been prodded. The guy isn't very smart. There are multiple articles that show the master and his socks editing them, like Ali Al-Nono and 2011–12 Al-Oruba F.C. season. We should keep an eye on them for when he returns. So much fun.... Argyle 4 Lifetalk 12:36, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Look who I found editing 2011–12 Al-Oruba F.C. season: Salas.jarni (talk · contribs) Again, not very smart. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 18:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer 1999‎

The above article is currently at AfD & following your block of User:Jarni17 I decided to try & speedy delete per G5 but the person who nominated it for AfD contested it as the ban was a while after the article was created. But the person i.e. User:محمد الخوبري was acting violation of his block therefore it should be speedy deleted I don't see how it's different from This one. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:44, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


And counting (see here, sigh...Will never know why i have: 1 - reported this as he has several IP addresses; 2 - returned, this will never end, for one guy that works as a unit, 200 work alone and say "talk to the hand" :(

Happy weekend, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:15, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Outside links in a Wiki page

Hello Snowman, You were kind enough to welcome me to Wiki when I began. It seems another editor has zealously removed many of the edits I made to the article about James Robison (author). Would you please explain to me if the outside links I added to the article are improper. I thought they were valid and useful. Many thanks, --Kfitz00 (talk) 19:15, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikitable help

Hi GS, at this career statistics table, can you help so that in the Continental goals column for 2011-12, the "0" spans two rows i.e. like the "8" to the left of it. I can't seem to work the table coding. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 21:25, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for sorting Argyle. Eldumpo (talk) 10:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Ayanda Patosi

Hi Snowy, I hate to disappoint you once again but he never played for Genk. This is about correcting your poorly researched edits. How about moving the issue to the talk page or whatever rather than threatening others. Says a lot about you being an administrator though. But nothing new here.

Btw, there is not ONE mention of him having played for Genk on the entire internet. Not one. He scored against them a few weeks ago but that's it. [16]

Thuglife99 (talk) 21:27, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Makes no sense to me. May be a typo. Ngcongca plays for Genk. Ed Aarons wrote the aforementioned article about Patosi's first goal, too. No mention that he played and scored against his former team. Odd.
So what? There are enough other sources about the player out there. Not a single one supports your claim. Also, some of the comments made by the player wouldn't make sense.
Sorry for the delay but let me quote: "After I joined the academy, I started to think of playing in Europe. The coaches taught us the quick European style and educated us on European life."[17]

What do you think?

Filip Kostić

GS, I am not sure why you nominated for deletion this article, if it was to make a point or was it really missinformation by your side? Btw, Transfermarkt has been following this season of Serbian SuperLiga without problems, so stats for this season can be considered as realible as any other football website. Also, it is not if he had 1 appereance or something that could be questionable, but 26, you doubt of 26 appereances to be phalse?

Come on, I don´t understand you here, this one was quite easy to fix if you wished to, I am not happy that you make AfD´s so you can make a point. FkpCascais (talk) 21:04, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, this article existed before, why is that Zastavafan76 had to recreate it? Who deleted the previous article and why? FkpCascais (talk) 21:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I brough this isse to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Filip_Kosti.C4.87_and_sourcing_problems and I please don´t want you to think that I did it to sneach you, please don´t think that way, but I did it because now I am affraid that more articles have been proded because of this same reason, and because I wanted to call the attention of everyone to please don´t do that as creates unecessary deleting/recreating effort from a number of editors who could be spending their time here in a much more productive way. Hope you understand what I mean. FkpCascais (talk) 21:59, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


This user has been repeatedly asked to stop changing the players' nationalities (from country to geographic region), yet he continues, as in SD Eibar (please see here

Suggestions (not to me, i'm through talking to people who don't listen) - and User:Bruno corinthiano continues doing what he wants, his anon IP that is, why do i keep reporting stuff - please? Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:32, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Pablo Contreras

Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

one of WP:OWNERSHIP coming out... in this player's article, i have seen this stuff: a gigantic INTRO like i have never seen, bigger than storyline itself, containing even transfer fees (how's that an intro?), ripe with wrong words (Liga Adelante being the sponsorized word for Segunda División), overlinking, the lot. I asked User:Ulof4 - the author - to tone it down, he refused. Sick as i am of edit warring, i desisted. Of course, if you read the intro and conclude it fits WP standards, who am i to argue?

Please bear in mind that this user has been nothing but polite with me, very helpful and stuff, which makes even more puzzling his reaction, which gets worse because: THE INFOBOX! It's ripe with redirects (i.e. Osasuna instead of CA Osasuna, Centre back instead of Defender (association football)#Centre back, etc, etc) and wrong stats (i have shown him, have sent him another link which backs the corrects stats up), he also reverts this.

I have finalized with another message, hopefully he will understand and leave the box alone as i have the introduction. Can you keep an eye on Contreras article for some days, or message Ulof? Thanks, kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:37, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks buddy! And what do you think of the intro please? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I see that you have had yourself a run-in with Ulof in the article (automatic reversion)...Related topic: he has changed the stats again, i have explained to him (probably he still did not know it) it's league only, let's see if this SIMPLE concept is grasped :)

I also apologize for conversing with him not in English, but i think sometimes for the full understanding of a thought or rule, when the other person does not master the language in question, it's better to write in their mothertongue. Ciao! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Not looking good, he reverted you AGAIN, i have re-reverted and pretty much translated your message to him about NPOV, if this does not work i don't know what will... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:57, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk: Jewish footballers

Thank you for your advice! --Saflid (talk) 20:46, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Indonesian vandal (already expected, confirmed it today after R.Madrid's conquest)

This user (please see here, continues to remove ALL the runner-up honours (sometimes, even third-places are so, in FIFA World Cups for instance, he removes that too!), has been fairly warned and not just by me, says talk to the hand and writes ZERO summaries; in Fábio Coentrão, he removed many more stuff in HONOURS, apparently just because.

He has already served a three-month block, but User:NuclearWarfare has been absent for a very long time now, he's "no good" right now. I can't block this person, you can, think you can accommodate or ask anyone to please? I am not going to dedicate one more word to this person (already did in the past year, it did nothing and i was beginning to "escalate"), so you tell me the options man... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:22, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks mate, i have reverted some myself. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:50, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
  • He continues. Also, too add insult to injury, he adds runner-up in leagues, NOT an honour. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:22, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


Quick question is it ok to bundle pages if your not the nominator, the only reason I ask is that a user did it today here. I looked at the AfD page but it doesn't say anything regarding people adding bundles who aren't not the nominator it just says: debates should be bundled only at the start or near the start of the debate, before most of the discussion has taken part. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:29, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


Sorry for my mistakes, i'm believed that this intro was good, but now I understand, and also thank you very much for your help, good-bye and you have my support. From Santiago de Chile to London, USA or another country of English language, good bye.

What the hey?

Can you help me friend? Don't know what i did, but EVERY SINGLE edit i now make brings the article to my watchlist! Odd...

Attentively, ty very much in advance - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, we have a definitive AfD candidate in Julio Engonga, never played professionally in Spain, not an international like his brothers Óscar Engonga and Vicente Engonga. Keep it up --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:42, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Never mind the first situation mentioned, seems to be resolved. Also (can't stop bugging you :)), is there any way to fix this: Editing some Spanish footballers, found out we have "People from Cádiz" but also "People from Cadiz" (no accent), is there any way to merge both, the "survivor" being the cat with the accent (correct spelling)? Thanks! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 10:15, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Levante was in Segunda División B at the time of his spell. Also, the categories source nothing besides his relatives, his brothers, they are notable yes, not him. The other ref speaks of him being a sealion caretaker (?!). Non-notable as can be mate. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 11:49, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Regarding the cats, i may be starting to see things (not enough wiki-rest!), no two categories exist, only "People from Cadiz", but i still think the accent should be added. It is still a matter for CFD or somewhere else, or none of the two? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 11:59, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Guess who's back, back again...

That community ban you mentioned on my talk page is looking more likely: Totti7raul (talk · contribs) Or you could keep this section on here and I'll continue adding his socks for you to block. ;) Now I know how Struway2 feels, having to deal with Latham. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 00:58, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Good to see AGK performed a check and flushed out more accounts. I'll add any more that I see in the future to the SPI. Less pressure on you having to deal with it then and you're probably as fed up with him as I am. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 17:20, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Understood. I'll do both when he returns again. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 17:59, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
No edits regarding IFFHS but I'd say توتي راؤول (talk · contribs) is another sock. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 17:24, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Eirik Mortensen

I tagged a number of articles for speedy deletion earlier today which were taken care of relative quickly, however the above article has been tagged since yesterday could you take a look & either pull the plug or contest. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 11:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Thats fine I just wanted a decision to be made I'll just go ahead & AFD. Thanks ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 11:16, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I see both you and Duckisjammy voted "Delete" on the Russian footabll AFDs. Do you genuinely think Georgiy Glazkov a former manager of the Russian nationsl yeam is not notable? I think its sad you were willing to dismiss them all because of the fact they were short stubs. Especially as you have worked so diligently on lesser notable English players. I've expanded half of those at the AFD and will try to epand all of the those listed. I find it concerning that you evidently didn't even bother to assess them all individually but were frightened by them being useless stubs. Most of the articles were former players for Spartak Moscow which is a leading Russian team.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. And yes a LOT of such short stubs can be a problem. But we are also a wiki and articles can be very quickly improved. Yes, I'm sure it would have been restarted at some point with content, but I think we really should have articles on them..♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:03, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Just for clarify sake I didn't vote in that AfD which Georgiy Glazkov was include in, but Dr. Blofeld seems to think I did. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 13:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong "Duck" LOL!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

All AFD entries now expanded, appreciate your withdrawal. Have a nice holiday!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Michael Whitham

He's listed as being on the books at Wednesday with one appearance (probably a friendly) between the dates I've added in Kirkham and Clareborough's Whos Who which is exceptionally detailed in it's player info based on local research s I've no reason to doubt it. (It actually lists a number of other amateur clubs he played for during that period that I didn't add as they aren't notable and would have made his infobox too complicated). Cheers Bladeboy1889 (talk) 15:51, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Bruno corinthiano (anon IP)

Continues with his unexplained removals (please see here, one of his "specialties", pic captions I don't know why do i still report these situations, as no block has occurred yet of all the situations i have denounced (and you do block people now and then, makes it all the more puzzling to me).

The Indonesian vandal, more of the same (the report(s?) can be found in this archive as well), unfortunately i'm not an admin (and don't intend to be)...Attentively, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

  • It is Bruno 100% sure, no checkuser needed, IP operating from Brazil, same modus operandi. Talk with this "user"? No way Jose! And what about the diff i sent you where he removes the PIC caption (that's vandalism!)?

Sorry to bother again, will try to end this once and for all - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I have, several users have, repeatedly, to no avail. Ah, and in a somewhat related note, found out that User:Ulof4 continues to engage in infobox errors in Pablo Contreras even though i asked him not to (stats league only, redirects of clubs), i would not be surprised if he has already reverted your intro amendments... Sad indeed. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:55, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
  • I would very much appreciate it if you followed up this article (Contreras) for a couple of days, if this person continues with this WP:OWNERSHIP stuff (i assure you my message to him in HIS NATIVE TONGUE was loud and clear, no way he did not understand it), then i think measures should be taken, but who am i to do that? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Have a nice one my friend! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:09, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi GS, I left you a message at User_talk:Sir_Sputnik#Sourcing and I will be very pleased if you participate there. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 05:57, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Premiership top goalscorers by season

Hi, I see we have an article on the Golden Boot winner but I was looking for something like the top 10 goal scorers of say the 1999-2000 season etc? Like Top Premier League goal scorers of the 1999-2000 seasonDr. Blofeld 11:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Proposed deletion of List of John Terry goals

Hello. Does the concern for this page WP:NOTSTATS says, the page should have sufficient explanatory text to stop the Proposed deletion of the page? ZZ47 (talk) 13:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Okat, so I'll add sufficient explanations for that page, befor it gets deleted of May 22nd. ZZ47 (talk) 14:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Júlio Regufe Alves

First things first: thanks for your help in stopping this "user" in his tracks. It's got to be one of the saddest things i've ever seen, i remember pointing out the "user" in the direction of the external links (both Portuguese as the player) to see the clubs were correct in the infobox, so the "user" does not have an excuse of not having the right info.

He could not care less, he's after me after feeding the troll once (the only explanation i have, as the player is as obscure as can be), rest assured i will not ever do it again. In fact, will not "feed the troll" or anything else, i'm more and more convinced i will (in Ruud van Nistelrooy style) retire after UEFA Euro 2012, the season's closure pretty much.

Hope your break was a spectacular one in all aspects, welcome back - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Ah, and lest you did not deduce it from the message above: i only FED THE TROLL (the same as "reacting angrily") after the THIRD or FOURTH polite message with interaction attempts. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:26, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Another thing which can explain my ZERO tolerance for trolls: being the loner that i am, i often play MSN games, namely hearts. Do you know what happened today (i could give you 1,000 examples, but that would be idiotic on my part :))? One "person", without anybody saying one word, begun the game with the following: "Hello you idiots"! What on earth?

So, after i saw these attitudes at, i should expect no less here at WP and thus be totally accustomed to them, but i am not, will NEVER be, as i will never be accustomed to hooliganism in whatever sport. And people talk about "sane rilvalries", the "party of football", the "World Cup" unites nations, etc, etc...bollocks, nothing but an outright war when it should be the exact O-P-P-O-S-I-T-E man.

Got this off my chest due to the great respect and consideration i have for you, sorry to impose. Keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Wish I was a "tireless" contributor :-) Also wish I had the energy and ready access to sources to get them all to the standard of the 1890s Small Heath seasons: the initial edit summary "create page: lots of tables, not much prose" is all too accurate. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Category for deletion

You know, you could have discussed it with me before nominating it for deletion. Rather poor show. Benkenobi18 (talk) 19:39, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Last I checked you wanted that category deleted. So what was there to discuss? If you were opposed to it I could see it, but you weren't. So why are you upset with me doing what you wanted to do?Benkenobi18 (talk) 22:52, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Ivica Dragutinović

Unsourced club continues to be added to box. Also, to add insult to injury, the "user" goes to intro and continues to replaced "RETIRED" with "RETTIRED", a bit of a mockery?

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


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Career statistics John Terry

I was just changing the category back to the one being discussed at CfD. Don't know how the nomination was changed. I went to fix it and see that it was already fixed. Sorry. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

AfD - Israel Izquierdo

Found this chap for you to deal with accordingly my friend. This was BEFORE i issued the final tip to User:El rayo que no cesa about notability, i think he's got it 100% now.

Kind regards, happy weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:42, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

It is very unfair! Israel Izquierdo played a U20 World Campionship!! I get discouraged. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 08:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Hassan Nader

Hi there man,

added whatever REFS i could find, luckily one in English. If i was wrong to remove the tag, please add it again.

Have a cool weekend, "see" ya - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:33, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


You dirty old bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ifore2012 (talk) 15:17, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

AfD hunting

Found this for you: Joan Castillo and Javier Moyano Lujano, "bring 'em down"! The message sent to you above, i have no words to classify it...

Regards, keep it up you "dirty old friend" :) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:46, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Alan Liebeskind

About Alan Liebeskind, he is my family, so Ciudad Guayana is the right place where he was born. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argview (talkcontribs) 20:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Nick Palodichuk

Hey Snowman. Can you check my sandbox on Nick Palodichuk. I understand it doesn't meet WP:NFOOTBALL just yet, but I was wondering if it has enough coverage for it to meet WP:GNG. You see, this is what's confusing. There are articles that fail WP:NFOOTBALL and have very little coverage, but somehow meet WP:GNG and there articles that have a lot of information, a lot of coverage and still fail WP:GNG. – Michael (talk) 07:40, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I thought not, that's basically why I sandboxed it. What sort of coverage does it need. – Michael (talk) 17:39, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Oh damn, I found a sorce relating to that, but it was marked as a spam for Wikipedia. – Michael (talk) 17:43, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Eh, I'll hold off for a while and wait until I find something. – Michael (talk) 17:53, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Miguel Llera - Overdetail

Hi there mate, VASCO "here",

I know i am going to be reverted by the guy who did it, hence my request for assistance: the SHEFF WED storyline was the most overdetailed i have seen in years, it contains info on EVERY GAME he played for the Owls, with (brace yourself) information on how many CORNERS both teams conceded, not to mention the familiar treatment ("MIGUEL did this", "MIGUEL did that").

What did Miguel (or LLERA, as the proper users know him!) also do? He suffered an injury but, lo behold, a couple of weeks later, "This saw the return to the side for Miguel Llera after absence from injury which now sees him wear the famous Puma headguard" User:El rayo que no cesa said some messages above..."I feel discouraged"!

Keep it up, happy Saturday - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:26, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Don't "go there" for 30 minutes or so man lest we edit-conflict, i am trying to see if i can save some INFO/REFS from the other chap, so far got one good from his Brentford loan that i should not have removed. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:31, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Done, hope you like it (found some refs for Tarragona career as well) :) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for your contributions. SwisterTwister talk 20:37, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Career statistics John Terry

As the article was nominated for deletion because of WP:NOTSTATS, I have added some explanations for the page and also added to the Category:Association football in England lists. Can anyone please check the page and tell me whether the page needs any more improvements? ZZ47 (talk) 04:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

So, will they delete the page? ZZ47 (talk) 10:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

List of Sheffield United F.C. players

Hi GS, can you have a look at this article and see how to amend it so as the table refs don't overlap with the photos? Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 16:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Safari on ipad. Images on the right normally show OK, it's just with this article it's quite bad. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 20:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Greek vandal

Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO "speaking",

WP:ANI, WP:AIV; WP:WHATEVER, result is the same, ZERO feedback, more than one day after (please see here, i give up!

Enter the new week in style, from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move for 2012-13 Sunderland A.F.C. season

Hi GS,

could you please move 2012-13 Sunderland A.F.C. season to 2012–13 Sunderland A.F.C. season? I would have done it myself, but the move is blocked by the Mediawiki software due to a history conflict. Thanks, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 19:37, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

(TPS)its because 2012–13 Sunderland A.F.C. season is a redirect to 2012-13 Sunderland A.F.C. season. Obviously it should be the other way around.Edinburgh Wanderer 19:41, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

If I may

For clarity, it may be useful to add 'mass' to the ani–afd point about creation along with something like 'without prior consultation with the community in the usual way'. Up to you of course, just a suggestion. -- (talk) 15:25, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

AfD all over - Marcos Valín Fontao

One more for the "destroy" pile, have a great week man, and thanks! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:21, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, and José Carlos Cerveró may join him as well ;) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:38, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi, re this removal of vandalism, it seemed when you were removing it, you replaced some old vandalism back on the page under 'Boxing Career', look at the def of the word online! I just thought I'd inform you. Cheers.--Chip123456 (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


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Al-Shurta SC (Damascus)

Hi Snowman, I have a small favor to ask if possible. Can you please move that article back to Al-Shorta SC (Damascus) (o instead of u in Shorta). A user changed the spelling from Shorta to Shurta but did not provded any references or justification as to why the move was made. Soccerway, RSSSF and FIFA all spell it as Shorta, with an o. Since it's a revert of an unreferenced move I don't see the need to take it to WP:RM and wait for the whole process to take place. TonyStarks (talk) 09:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much Snowman, I appreciate the help .. and sorry for the bother. TonyStarks (talk) 10:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your message, It's not me who revert Shorta to Shurta (07:06, 22 April 2012), When I revert, I changed Damascus to (Damascus) (18:47, 22 May 2012). However I agree your change, you're right. I thought to change same as you. Thank you for doing the change. Faycal.09 (talk) 16:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

CODM Meknès

Hi, can you see please to changing the name of CODM Meknès (Club Omnisports De Meknès) to COD Meknès. There is one more letter "M" that must be deleted (CODM "Official wabsite", CODM "francefootball"). Greetings. --Faycal.09 (talk) 16:51, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you much for helping me. Regards. --Faycal.09 (talk) 17:03, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Anon vandal

Hi there SNOWY, VASCO "here",

with the caution due to the fact it is an anon IP, found this (see "contributions" here, in most of them (hence i conclude it is the same "user") all the person does is vandalize infoboxes, changing height (i.e. José Dominguez, twice!) and inflating stats (Pauleta).

Keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:14, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Kevin Beattie

Seeing as I wrote Kevin Beattie's autobiography I think I know a little more on the subject than you 'Giant Snowman'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:51, 24 May 2012‎


I honestly thought he already knew that, in order for a player to be notable, he would have to have played at least in Segunda División, even if players in the level below (Segunda División B) can be called professionals, it's their PROFESSION. Guess i was wrong and confused him with someone else.

After you warned him about the wrong removal of templates, i have added the above bit, hopefully he'll get it. Happy weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

RE: Andreas Tegström

Yes, he is notable. Played for Fredrikstad and maybe Sandefjord in Tippeligaen. Could add him to my "expand one-sentance stub and take it to DYK" list :) Mentoz86 (talk) 20:35, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi there mate,

please have a look at this, i think "there's gonna be trouble hey now, hey now". This UK user, his idea of "expanding/improving" the article was write about every game (nearly) he played with PAOK, the "English" i don't want to go there ("In qualifying the Europa League matches in three rounds with Norway, Vålerenga Vieirinha not take part", "scoring four goals and two assists giving", "At other times, Fenerbahçe trying to recoup, and PAOK responded counterattacks, but the expense has not changed"), the POV, the WEASEL. Even if ref'd it's of no use in my humble opinion, the focus seems more on PAOK than on Vieirinha!

Please have a look at the section PERSONAL LIFE, what's the interest in that? Happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:17, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)There's a definite competency issue here (or else deliberate disruption, but I'm reluctant to make that accusation for obvious reasons). The editor is almost certainly User:Timmy96, now choosing to edit logged out, and as it appears to be a dynamic IP, it makes trying to communicate via their talk page fairly pointless. They've been making similar large additions in what reads like machine-translated English to numerous pages, e.g. Jean Beausejour, Nolberto Solano, Andreas Beck (footballer) (undone by Jaellee), Borja Valero (persistently – I undid them initially but they came back with more, I'm working on cleaning that one up at the moment), etc etc. Often unsourced, but where they do add sources, those sources don't necessarily back up the information added. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, and thanks for your assistance in Júlio Regufe Alves, sick individual indeed. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:43, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

  • In Sérgio Leite, first it was the vandalism, now the unref'd additions (best goalkeeper in the world in his age, etc, and the "English"!), i'm getting a bit tired... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:35, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

FYI, the recent anon additions to Kemy Agustien were by the same editor. Standard mixture of incompetent English and straight copying of sentences from the sources. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Kevin Beattie

I fail to see how telling the truth constitutues vandalism. Out of interest what part of Rob Finch getting Kevin Beattie his belated UEFA Cup medal do you object to? Do you want Kevin Beattie's personal telephone number so he can confirm this with you? That information has sat on this page now for over 3 years and was only removed by you recently. Other information such as his role in Escape to Victory - also removed. References to his relationship and praise from Sir Bobby Robson - also remoed. YOU ARE THE ONE VANDALISING THIS PAGE. PLEASE NOTE THAT FACT WIKIPEDIA. GIANT SNOWMAN = VANDAL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)




Vandalism? i spent hours finding the correct up to date statistics on footballers , hate to see people putting up way too many caps and goals for players you simply can find no truth for. All my edits have been done by soccerway/scoresway are you saying they are unreliable sources? where do you get your info from then GiantSnowman? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shindiggers (talkcontribs) 08:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC) Ok am sorry , in future i will read all text before an edit taking more time therefore doing alot less, i dont want to contradict or think my source is better than yours, thankyou, ps didnt no how to reply before i wasnt ignoring warnings ,i am referencing and citeing pretty much everything i do now and i no quite alot already,but i am new to this, i do think a final warning is a bit harsh.

Diogo Amado - Sick to the stomach

Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

how many people in England who know football very well have heard of this player (you can even call him obscure in Portuguese standards)? I suppose not many. Well, he just signed (apparently, found no sources in BBC Sport at least) for Sheff Wed, the vandalism has begun, pityful.

Cheerio! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:32, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

About Bela-Vista (football club)

Greetings. Due to recent developments in the deletion discussion, you may want to revise your !vote. Cheers. Kosm1fent 18:47, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Pavol Zemanovič

Can you undelete the article of Pavol Zemanovič as he made his pro debut with FC ViOn Zlaté Moravce on 16 May 2012. IQual (talk) 00:11, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


Hmmm, with edits like this (please see here and his userpage jive, up to no good methinks! Keep it up, have a jolly ole' weekend --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Appalling or similar!

Please have a look at this, just have been briefed by User:Kosm1fent,

User:Kostas45, a sock extraordinaire of User:Antony1821, the master account that we know of (have a look at this discussion, has just stated in his talkpage he will create account after account after account whenever he is blocked. Antony1821 all over the style of writing, in all caps.

Unfortunately, seems that KOSM (the user that, alongside myself but more persistently, has been all over this "user") is going on a college-related one-month wikibreak (see the exchanges we have been having here, hence i bring this to your attention man.

Attentively again, regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:33, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm supposed to be studying for my exams. But don't worry, even when I start studying harder (next week that is), I will still be on the lookout. :P Cheers. Kosm1fent 17:49, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
  • You're not coming here, right (not the first place people would choose when they visit my country :))? Anyways, happy trip my friend, safe return! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Lew Bradford

put details in infobox as was already in the career section? Babylon77 (talk) 15:27, 12 June 2012 (UTC) babylon77 yep ok, prob in a rush at time sorry Babylon77 (talk) 15:30, 12 June 2012 (UTC)babylon77


Hi there SNOWY, hope that break is going super A.O.K!

About this chap, he continues with the addition of a superfluous link, after my polite attempts at conversation (he has to be Spanish). That link is good for the Liga de Fútbol Profesional article, i have already commended him on that, but nowhere else - you can't click anywhere on the player's link, it has only one photo, already does that job marvellously.

Any suggestions? Thanks and keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:35, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

  • "'s only a problem if there are lots and lots." Precisely my point man. Welcome back! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Jaime Bustamante

Jaime Bustamante move to Associação Desportiva São Caetano


Hi there SNOW ONE, VASCO "here",

can you please help me turn LINK#2 in Boncho Genchev into a marvellous template? I ask you because you already helped me in the past with this stuff. I did search in SOCCERBASE.COM and it yielded results, but showing no numbers in the URL so that i could copy the template from another guy.

Thank you very much in advance, keep it up! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:14, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

List of politicians killed in the Mexican Drug War

Since you created the list of journalists, I thought you might be interested in this one too! I had to copy your idea :p haha. Take care! ComputerJA (talk)


Hi there SNOWY, hope all's fine,

wanted to help this user, telling how the PC updates work, got this reply (see here Not an insult, but very annoying retort.

Happy week, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Unless i am much mistaken (i might), he continues mocking me in his replies! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Ivica Dragutinović

This reeks of wiki-persecution, because the "user" is not content with adding the unsourced club in box, they also write "rettired" instead of "retired" and "the the season" instead of "the season".

Really busting my balls this one, do you want me to stop bothering you about this (as "nothing" is the result of my requests, no page protection and/or block)? I will if you want...regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:32, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

  • I definitely apologize for my somewhat heated second paragraph, but this is being incredibly frustrating, and I WON'T engage in any conversation with this individual, that's a given. Kind regards my friend, you have always helped me :) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:51, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

WP Football in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Football for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 15:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


Could you delete the above article per WP:G7 user made the request on my page. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:38, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, saves me ringing Bolivia for information which was also requested earlier LOL. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:52, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Slovak Super Liga

Is the Slovak Super Liga a fully professional league?SirEdimon (talk) 23:06, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

"It's not mentioned at WP:FPL. GiantSnowman 08:09, 20 June 2012 (UTC)"

Because this, I'm asking you. i would like to know what do you think about thisSirEdimon (talk)


Hi! help to delate the name of the articel [Redacted] Could you help me to delate the name of this articel please [Redacted] Thanks--Alexdalesandro (talk) 23:44, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


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Hi, thanks for your message about the references. I didn't know that was necessary to include the access date etc. I will have a look at it. LindaSportGirl (talk) 21:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Cheers Frosty! LindaSportGirl (talk) 14:48, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Óscar Londoño

Hi GiantSnowman. I wanted to leave a note that I removed the PROD from this article because he's made over 100 appearances in the fully-pro Categoría Primera A. It doesn't appear that he has had a remarkable career aside from two good seasons with Cortuluá, but there is some coverage of him in the Colombian media. I started to flesh out the article and added references for his Primera A appearances. Jogurney (talk) 19:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


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AfD's / Others

Hi there my friend, how's it going?

1 - Just for your eyes, Manu Busto and Pelayo Novo; 2 - i saw that you have cleaneup Júlio Regufe Alves (first time other than me that someone contributes without vandalizing the article for YEARS), thus i make the following comments:

Why do we always have to write CLUB/SIDE/TEAM in intro? Isn't it obvious it's one of those? Like when people insist in writing the word "season" after the years, it goes without saying. Then, the piping, OK i must desist, am not going to start edit wars about this, especially with people i admire and respect, but i have to say: why did the WP:KARLSRUHER guideline was accepted (brought forth by German users, who made everybody accept the German approach in the ENGLISH WP - i guarantee you NOONE outside Germany refers to Köln as 1. FC Köln (certes, it's the club's full name, but that's it) so easily, and this other approach of having club names compressed in box and in full in storyline is completely despised? Interestingly enough, one should bear in mind that 1.FC KÖLN or 1. FC Kaiserslautern are club names IN FULL! Where's the coherence?

Really, am having a tough time understanding this duality, could you enlighten me? Thanks, keep it up and happy weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Have already done so, strangely enough everybody agreed with the (German) guideline. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:38, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Scott Christie

Hey Snowy, you created Scott Christie in December but Scott Christie (footballer) same person already existed I don't know why it had a disambiguated title when no other page existed at that time which probable lead to the mix up. So could you do what you deem necessary to solve the problem. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 21:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Port Darwin FC

Hey Snowman, can you have a look at this article and the BLPs for the club's players? You can judge notability better than me. Also see Ro Ward, now nominated for A7 as well as BLP PROD (the latter by the creator!), and a section on my talk page, "Editor creating articles with Prod alread attached." Thanks! Drmies (talk) 01:21, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Charles N. Perkins dob

Hi Snowman. (Take two!) Just wondering about this update you made to Charles N. Perkins. A difficulty here is that he did not know his date of birth more precisely than "c.1936/1937". (However he adopted 16 June 1936 as his "official birthday" for use where a specific date was required; presumably things like his driver's licence.) I'm not sure what the motivation of your updates was (except perhaps an admirable dedication to tidiness!) so I'm reluctant to re-edit with out first checking with you. Should we be using {{Birth date}} for an uncertain date like this? Interested in your views. --Simon the Likable (talk) 13:00, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll tidy that up sometime soon, but not tonight (yawn). Best, Simon the Likable (talk) 13:09, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

User:Creed7 - PC updates

Hi there SNOWY, how's it going (i hope not snowy weatherwise, i've been having a 40º plus the whole week in South Portugal, a bit too much),

I request your help because i think a third party would be of interest so that this guy sees i'm not mocking him, i'm really referring to WP guidelines. The La Liga season ended on 13 May 2012, he went on to edit on Sergio Canales on 11 June, what do you think was the PC update? 11 JUNE!

I have already sent him another message and this time, albeit without insults or threats, i really do not think i fared all that well, could you please mediate and "tell him like it is"? Thanks in advance.

Keep it up, kind regards (and please don't wish me luck for the EURO'12 semifinals, could not care less, especially when Cristiano Ronaldo is at his best (worst?) in terms of mannerisms, a national team is but a club with the flags sewn to the shirts, period). --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Have never heard of that one, i PROMISE you! But, since i am a bit of a Baldrick when it comes to WP technicalities, and you are Edmund, you have to be right, but i thought the PC update should be that of the last game played in league (by the way, what does PC mean, NT being "national team"?).

Sorry to bother then, cheers - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks mate! Have already tipped off the other user about the fact i might have overreacted, even though i'll never understand his comebacks ("You are so deep", etc). --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:25, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Second Account

Due to the large number delsorting I've been doing over the last few months, I'm considering creating an alternative account on Maintenance grounds per WP:SOCK#LEGIT. Just wanted to get the opinion from a few administrators before proceeding, the last thing I want to happen is to be blocked. If you post a reply on your thoughts regarding the issue here I would really appreciate it. Thanks ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 00:13, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Snowy. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 11:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Nigel Hasselbaink

Re reliable source:

This do? Includes direct quotes from the player himself. --Grievous Angel (talk) 14:53, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

The club website is hopeless, I'm sure they'll confirm eventually. --Grievous Angel (talk) 18:48, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Portuguese Second Division

Hi, can you have a look at another redirected page which should've had a page move instead [18]. It's not clear from the English-language sources on the page whether his name change is correct or not, but the way he's done it the page history has not been kept. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 22:06, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

  • This User:Secretaria is a man on a mission, does not engage in wikitalk with anyone, does not write summaries, EVER. You folks have been briefed. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:30, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Why waste time on a new headline? :) SNOWY, here's for you, and AFD candidate as ever was one, Ignacio Aznar. Cheers, happy weekend (also to Dumpo) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:31, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I am taking great care to use Portuguese titles as you will see from the following:
I d0 not think that there is anything wrong in the change made by Secretaria and am very disappointed by the comments made above given the effort I am putting into Portuguese football. Kind regards League Octopus (League Octopus 12:15, 29 June 2012 (UTC)).
Octopus - as I said, it's not that the principle of the move was necessarily wrong, but the way it was carried out. Eldumpo (talk) 19:24, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

GS - thanks for making the changes, which you've also done for me before. However, should I really be doing the reverting/ leaving notices myself in the first place, or is it an admin function? Eldumpo (talk) 19:24, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

About Ignacio Aznar

User:Mega60, disappointed that we wanna "ice" those Segunda División B players, asked me the following, so i convey his point of view to you, even tough i think i know the answer for sure:

Why are the Football League One and Football League Two players allowed to stay if they only played in those levels as the highest? It's because those divisions are 100% professional in England isn't it?

Regards again (please reply and clear my doubt so that i can "re-answer" Mega), keep it up --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


Regarding the soon to be deleted Playerhistory Template I produced a list of articles containing the template which can be found here. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 03:58, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

A few AFD's to start the week

There you go my friend, enjoy, all from Atlético Madrid B: Javier Manquillo, Fer, Sergio Cidoncha and Sergio Marcos.

Enter the new week in style, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Bronwyn Wilson

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bronwyn Wilson (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Now that I know you're an expert, do you agree with the nom? BTW, JFHJr (nominator) is a first-class editor who wouldn't be bothered by disagreement if it's well-reasoned. After our recent discussions about notability in sports, I'm afraid to !vote. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 02:18, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


Another (i guess people will NEVER get tired of this!), adding another nationality to the given player, example SPANISH-CATALAN in Joan Capdevila, SPANISH-BASQUE in Andoni Zubizarreta, SPANISH-NAVARRESE in Iker Muniain (contributions here, please send him a message to "calm" him, i have already but mine was not very good as habitually :(

Regards, thanks in advance - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:32, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

  • It's fair to say some of the contributions are positive (the phonetics insertion in the intros), but that's the gist of it from what i can see. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:51, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Mark McLaughlin reports that Mark McLaughlin joins Greenock Morton F.C. for the new season. If you have other information, please updates the pages Mark McLaughlin, Greenock Morton F.C. and Template:Greenock_Morton_F.C._squad accordingly. Thanks! Kq-hit (talk) 18:53, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Our old buddy

I think it's him but would need SPI to be sure. Has the same editing pattern. Unsourced, ghastly lists like this, this and this aren't acceptable. Argyle 4 Lifetalk 20:54, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Box and "births"

Thanks for the input, i agree with you 100%. By the way, lest you missed it, just scroll up this page, i have left some more AFDs for you!

Keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:49, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

  • An AFD with a "twist" Austrian Football First League 100% professional? I'm assuming it is, but if it isn't (through my many WP:FOOTY discussion follow-ups, i've learned that DIV2 is not professional in some countries) then Giovanni Pérez Rodríguez must also be "iced", without mercy :)

Cheers - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:07, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Oliver Janso

Hi. Can you undelete the article of Slovak footballer Oliver Janso as he made his pro debut with FK Senica on 5 July 2012 against MTK Budapest FC - source -Senica s dobrou pozíciou do odvety, v Budapešti remizovala 1:1 05.07.2012, IQual (talk) 22:34, 05 July 2012 (UTC)

Just letting you know that I've taken this article to afd. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:07, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Donna Hilley listed at Redirects for discussion


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Donna Hilley. Since you had some involvement with the Donna Hilley redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 20:58, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Couple of things

1. The AfD has closed for Durham Flames but the article has re-appeared in "Nominations for deletion and page moves".

2. I have been assisting an editor Rakuten06 who has now asked me to review his Holger Salin article. Player articles are not my specialism and I wonder if you would mind assisting? League Octopus (League Octopus 09:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC))

Holger Salin


I'm very appreciated that you helped me by cleaning up the article of Holger Salin and made it way better than what I am doing. I now know what I'm doing and I would like to ask you a question about that article, does it look good enough not to need a stub status? should I make an assessment request at WikiProject Football about Holger Salin? and maybe I will ask you for help when I decided to create more player articles :) Rakuten06 (talk) 12:39, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate it. If I don't like what the articles look like after I created it, I'll ask you for the help and advice on what to do. As for Holger Salin, he was my first article I officially created since my long hiatus, so I looked at the player template for what to do and it helped me very much. I was curious in Salin because he was the first-ever topscorer for the Finnish Championship in 1930 yet he doesn't have an article in English (he has it in French and Finnish) so I thought, "Why not?" and I know he was notable because he was in the Finnish National Team. The issue is that I'm not sure what years he started and ended with HIFK. I don't think that was reliable but again, I'm rusty in Wikipedia :P Rakuten06 (talk) 12:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Ohh okay, I'll use Worldfootball as a source until I find another source that backs that up. Octopus sent me the articles about the Sports Museum of Finland and some articles with Holger Salin, but unfortunately it's in Finnish, hahhahahaha! Again, that's Wikipedia. Verifiability is always helpful sometimes if the player has more sources on him, but if few sources, then we'll have to try our best with it and make do on the article until we found more proof. Rakuten06 (talk) 12:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll use it in the future and as for WT:Football, I'll use it if needed, but with Holger Salin, I think it will be fine for now, I will let other editors to come and edit it, especially the Finnish editors. Like I say before, if I don't like what I see at my player articles after I created it, I'll ask you for the help and advice :) Rakuten06 (talk) 13:12, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

George Stewart (footballer born 1927)

Hi - I thought this link might be of interest. Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 13:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

João Moutinho

Hi there SNOWY, VASCO "here",

could you please protect (or ask someone if you don't feel like doing it yourself) this player's page? Vandalism rampant in this last week (we're talking in the order of 15/30 edits a day), this has got to be the most i've seen in a player which is neither English (or playing in England) nor worldwide famous. Disgusting!

Attentively, happy Saturday - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks my friend! Apparently, all for nothing as "user" SUPERDUDE immediately profitted from the privilege of an account to add some deep/serious stuff in Moutinho's article (one has to wonder how he's not blocked yet, given the amount of warnings received). In a related note, i have seen people with nothing but ONE EDIT to their credit (vandalic of course!), and for that they take the trouble of creating an account. Sad... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:12, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

repeat offender

Hello, Giant Snowman!
Please block this unregistered user:, who is clearly the same person as this already blocked ip address: Thank you! BigSteve (talk) 08:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the quick reply! BigSteve (talk) 08:45, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

National football teams

Hi there. I just read your comment in Talk:Tamil Eelam national football team#Requested move. I wanted to know your idea about Talk:Iraqi Kurdistan national football team#Requested move as well. Thanking you in anticipation. In fact 11:26, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Julio Santa Cruz

Hi, I've been reffered to you by fellow Wikipedian User:Jaellee, it is subject to moving a page into the name of another page. I had seek Jaellee's assistance by leaving the following message before I was reffered to yourself:

Jaellee, could you please help me? Julio Santa Cruz cannot be created because the page was repeatedly created when it did not meet the notability and athlete criteria and therefore resulted into temporary disablement. Now, the page has met the crieteria and, I had taken the privelidge of creating it under the following name: Julio Eduardo Santa Cruz. Do you know how to move it to Julio Santa Cruz? Is this within your capacity as a long-time Wikipedian? Regards! User:181hamburgerwcheese (talk) 21:06, 8 July 2012

Can you help at all? User:181hamburgerwcheese (talk) 21:31, 8 July 2012

A BIG THANK YOU!!! User:181hamburgerwcheese (talk) 08:01, 0 July 2012

Various Issues

Please note that I have contested the PRODS for FC Rohožník and TJ Kovo Beluša as I consider the Slovakian fourth tier Majstrovstvá regiónu to be a notable level in terms of establishing "Football club notability". I will leave to you to decide if they are moved to AFD. I will not contest FK Pohronie B as I do not support articles for B teams.

By the way thanks for assisting Rakuten06. I am continuing to work on the Notability Table although I know that I am probably on to a "hiding to nothing" as reaching consensus is probably impossible. I am now defining a "Grey Area" - an "area of disagreement" which may be more helpful than it sounds as in virtually all league systems there are areas of dispute. Perhaps you would be good enough to give me some initial feedback on the table when I am a little more advanced. I am giving due attention this time to the media element but I do not want to present another table if there are fundamental flaws that I can eradicate with some more effort. League Octopus (League Octopus 10:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)).

Nationalistic approaches

WOW, did not take long, another (please see here, have already reverted a couple but he continues as we speak! Catalan footballers instead of Spanish ones, you know the "drill"...

Regards, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:11, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I have already messaged this user and they have responded (politely), but if you could drop an additional "tip" there it would reinforce the/our (correct) point of view. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
  • In another matter, please have a look at Tiago Ilori's templates. Are the under-19 ones allowed? I thought it was only u-20 and "upwards". Cheerio again! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Diogo Amado

My oh my, signing for the Owls confirmed, vandalism resumed, i am speechless (actually i am not but you would not appreciate what would emerge of my mouth)...

Happy weekend, regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

  • In a related note, i'm having quite the day at Javad Nekounam (the newbie has already learned to revert/undo), continues to add unreferenced new club to his article, also adding a PIC i quite suspect is copyrighted. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Wow, did not expect this, especially when i messaged you about two topics. Was it because i said "i guess he wants to edit war"? I apologize, but i think there are cases when there is a right "edit-warrior" and a wrong "edit-warrior", even though both are trailing on a forbidden "warpath"; this guy has taken it up a notch and write in Nekounam's box: "2012-? Esteghlal", followed by the word PROBABLY (please see here! All the more confirmation the transfer is not confirmed yet.

Oh, and i bother you further: this anon IP (see here standard at seems at least to some extent) has written for the third or fourth time insults in Juan Román Riquelme's infobox/intro. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Really baffling this silence, i'm feeling very (for lack of a better word) sad, what could have i done? Also, you'd be interested to know User:MFredow continues to revert me in Javad Nekounam, also engaging in WP:COPYVIO. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:41, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks mate! I am a very negative pessimistic person overall, and when i don't get a reply to my messages and see people are editing, my mind starts flowing in all (wrong) directions, without considering other more important aspects of life i'd say. Formal warning? OK, i'll leave Nekounam's article wrong if the other user edits there again.

Happy week and all - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:18, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Also, have already used article's talkpage per request. MFredow won't because he 1 - does not Speak English; 2 - does not care. I'll eat my hat if he does. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:29, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Renaming templates

Squad to squad (correct) Mega60 (talk) 13:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

AGF doesn't apply to you?

My opening gambit? My statement was simply factual an non-biased. The user behind this whole thing is User:Superbhoy1888 who has made clear he is a Celtic fan. Please AGF, it most certainly does apply to you; I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise. And please be civil. Nfitz (talk) 18:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

No, your comment was incredibly biased and non-factual - assuming that editors you are in conflict with support a rival team. I always do AGF - but only when you do - and I've not been uncivil anywhere. GiantSnowman 18:32, 13 July 2012 (UTC))
My statement was simply that "It looks like Celtic supporters have managed to edit the Rangers F.C. to refer to the team in the past-tense, gotten the page locked, and created a new page at Newco Rangers to reflect the demoted team". The person behind this is User:Superbhoy1888 who has made clear he is a Celtic fan. Not sure how this is "incredibly biased and non-factual". It is actually unbiased and incredibly factual! You were uncivil when you accused me of forum shopping. All you have to do is apologize ... Nfitz (talk) 18:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
You made the assumption that they were ALL Celtic supporters - not one - and given the history between the two clubs/fans, you were making some unsavoury comments. But you DID forumshop - if you had simply had notifed WP:FOOTY of the AN discussion, that would have been fair - but instead you simultaneously started the exact same discussion at two locations. GiantSnowman 19:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
I'll confess I assumed that there was more than one Celtic supporter involved. I really haven't dug any deeper ... I'd be shocked if there's only one. Very shocked. But I didn't assume that they were ALL Celtic supporters. Quiet frankly, I don't see the issue with notifying in more than one location. Much of the time around here the guidelines say post it here, post it there, post it under the bush in the swamp ... if that was wrong, I apologize. However, I don't think that gives you the right to think that AGF doesn't apply to you and to be uncivil. Nfitz (talk) 19:20, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Like I said, notifying is fine - but starting identical discussions at the same time is not. Yes I should have AGF more - apologies for that - but I haven't been uncivil. GiantSnowman 19:40, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
It was the lack of AGF that felt uncivil to me ... so thank you. Nfitz (talk) 19:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Dave Boylen - Evidence of player and councillor

Hi there, yes they are both the same person - please see this article >> "Boylen – who was part of Town's 1971/72 title-winning side – speaks regularly to chairman Mr Fenty as both are North East Lincolnshire councillors." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelly 1975 (talkcontribs) 19:56, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Possible non-notable teams.

The was an AfD in March that included Korean football teams. The editor has been re-creating them... joy. They also created the following football clubs: Hanil Life Insurance FC, Chohung Bank FC, Pyongyang FC and Cheil Industries FC. The AfD mentioned some teams were ok because they played in the FC cup. Do any of these teams qualify for an AfD? Bgwhite (talk) 08:14, 14 July 2012 (UTC)


I have "done the title of my message" to you. Please reply ASAP. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:03, 14 July 2012 (UTC)


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Javad Nekounam

Article protected? Easy, MFREDOW made a new account and resumed his antics in the page. I assume my rollback does not constitute edit-war as it's with a "different" user, if i was wrong and it is indeed edit-war, please forgive my ignorance, won't happen again. Also, i can't be 100% sure it is the same person, just a hunch, and my reasoning might also be wrong because MFREDOW could edit as such as it is an account. Or is he trying to mix us by doing this deliberately?

Oh, and thanks for the reply to the other business at hand, will "contact" that page. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Have done so, found no proper field whatsoever in which to submit my request. Where is it? In a (very) related note, don't worry, i don't have anything to hide thus having to change my name, VASCO AMARAL, JOHN SMITH or WEE JOCK POOP ON MCPLOP i will edit always from the same computer (at home), thus i would be easily caught if up to no good :) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:10, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Done, even though i find this might have been done to no avail. With this operation i did, people will know ALWAYS L. is V.AMARAL i suppose. Hence, i should have remained put. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:28, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for nothing

Thanks a fucking bunch. Ive been harassed by this muppet for 24 hours without him citing a single source over four locations and all you cans say is you should be ashamed of yourselves. He has made so many accusations against me and never retracted. Jesus i can prove both common name and that it wasn't called the Challenge Cup until they couldn't find a sponsor it was never that at the bringing. Edinburgh Wanderer 21:22, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Your the admin not me look yourself. Im not fucking ashamed of anything what I'm ashamed of that fucking wikipedia lets editors like him any where near the place. Who the fucking hell is proposing the main article be changed. WP:Commonname over rules in this case i have provided a whole heap of sources to prove that. I have shown that from the beginning it wasn't called the challenge cup so that isn't a unsponsered or common name. Were talking about season articles that only document a current season and if i can find loads of reliable season articles then i will do so using policy. Your shit about consensus doesn't count when policy is there. Reliable sources and common name do. You cannot expect me to use a name that sources don't back up. Ive documented a whole heap of sources and yes its over many place because he fucking started them despite being told to keep it one place. Im sick of bullshit people report thing and admins ignore them. Edinburgh Wanderer 21:35, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Snowman, you might want to consider blocking EW for a little while. I know you're well aware of the situation of the discussion, but if I was an admin, the threat of a week's worth of edit-warring would be enough for a block in my book. – PeeJay 21:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Pj did i actually say i would edit war for a week, no i fucking did not i said do you want to discuss thus for a whole week.Edinburgh Wanderer 21:41, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Hes a single purpose account less than five days ago he started this and you bet it most of his edits are to make accusation at me. Do i work for ramsdens no, did i delete his edits no, but he did mine using the undo button and deleted comments of his i had replied to plus other things Wikipedia is a fucking disgrace in particular wiki project football which is essentially shit because it does not follow policy it makes its own. Absolute disgraceEdinburgh Wanderer 21:41, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
You are a fucking disgrace. Consensus isn't the key sources and policy are. Im sick of this fucking bullshit and PJ can go stuff himself where did is say i would edit war no where. But you no what maybe i should sock and edit war and accuse editors of things. Your an admin now do your bloody job look at the fucking facts.Edinburgh Wanderer 21:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
You block me i don't care consensus isn't policy. Consensus has always been to use a non sponsored name unless it can be proven using sources that there is a Common name. Per WP:Common name it cant be shown that there was a unsponsored name due to the fact from the beginning it was called the B&Q Cup.Edinburgh Wanderer 21:47, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I don't want help here in any way. Wiki is supposed to use reliable sources he hasn't provided on hack of evidence all the way along. You state i should be ashamed yet a new editor less than five days old attacks me and then won't provide one shred of evidence. He forum shops all over the place. I would rather be indef blocked than put up with this shit i would be better off being an ip cant be doing with this shit especially from you. He was the one who edit wars i started to discuss with him he ignore edit warred and started the attacks. I have sources and a policy he has jack shit.Edinburgh Wanderer 21:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Are you that stupid really of course fucking consensus is a policy but only where there is actually proven consensus and documented. I have never once challenged the facts that a sponsored name should generally not be used. I have proven that naming policy per common name and is backed up by reliable sources. You and him have proved jack shit. Open your eyes or block me indef I've had enough of this fucking crap from you especially. I actually thought you were one of the good admins but obviously not. What do you want to do before i get indef blocked here , because i won't put up with this shit especially from you. You refuse to look at his attacks on me. Edinburgh Wanderer 21:56, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't have ramification at all. I am not proposing article changes. I'm Saying if reliable sources can prove a common name then we should be going with that. Also what is a season article it is a document of events during thats season if reliable sources say that its the Ramsdens Cup in that season there is no harm in calling it that with wikilinks. You would think i was proposing we shut down wiki not actually follow the common name policy. The challenge cup was never known as that from the beginning, its an odd exception, the Scottish cup was called the scottish cup from the beginning, so was the leauge cup.Edinburgh Wanderer 22:10, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
We are not going to give you what you want. Now please leave this talk page. --MuZemike 22:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
You will if i follow behaviour that automatically leads to a block. You were not asked to comment or part of any discussion.Edinburgh Wanderer 22:10, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Jordi Roca (footballer)

Hopefully things (in the message above) will work out for the best. In the meantime, here's another AFD in dire need of us to put it out of its misery...

Keep it up - --AL (talk) 01:48, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Omar Elabdellaoui

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Shaiju Mon

Just want to let you know that I undid the PROD for this player. He goes by 2 different spellings of his name... Shaiju Mon and Shyjumon. Also I sent you a message on commons a week ago addressing this as I could not talk on here. Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 17:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay then. While you do have a point (a very good one) I still have to disagree with notability as he has played and started in the I-League last year which is technically "fully-pro" (somehow) but if you really want to see this article deleted than you can put it on AfD. Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I know but in this case I am dropping it because he has played in the top league of India, has played for the India U23 team. Yes if we use GNG then his article would not be notable but that is the same with many players. Again, be my guest to AfD it. Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 18:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I agree but again that is just my preference. Just AfD it, I wont be in the discussion anyway on the AfD as this article is not by me. Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Disruptive user

Hi GS, this user appears to be going around and removing anything that reflects badly on Rangers from articles on Wiki. I'm not entirely sure if this constitutes vandalism but I would say it is disruptive at the least. Could you please have a look. Thanks Adam4267 (talk) 19:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I think one or two of them are admins. So they'll probably be able to deal with it. I only brought it to you cos I thought no-one else had noticed. I'll keep an eye on him. Thanks Adam4267 (talk) 20:04, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Diogo Luis Santo

Hi there SNOWY, hope all's fine with you,

could you please fix this player's statistics chart? There's something wrong with the 2008/09 season, can't see what. Thanks a million in advance --AL (talk) 21:47, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Malsyaian footballer

User:Azry999 and User:Khairol Azry are identical pages of a Malaysian footballer that were created yesterday. Thought I'd dump leave it to a football editor to sort out. I did remove a link that Suruhanjaya Perkhidmatan Awam FC had to User:Khairol Azry. Bgwhite (talk) 05:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Football Player

I saw the note you put up on my board and wanted to comment back. We have had many discussions regarding this on the talk page for the last few months. Wiki recognizes both terms in its definition of "Football Player." However, "Footballer" is a colloquialism. "Football Player" is the more formal form. Since these are formal entries, "Football Player" has been determined as the preferred term. The other part to this is that we are trying to simplify definitions and use the same terms. You may have also noticed that anything related to a traffic collision is now called that other than terms like car accident, truck collision, lorrey collison, etc.

Thanks for the input though. Sunnydoo (talk) 13:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC) Sunnydoo (talk) 13:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Help me please

Trophy.png Help me please
Can you help me please? Rakanqat (talk) 15:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Les Davies

You sure your !vote's entirely compatible with your rationale? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

TSV Marl-Hüls

This is an oldy but about 4 years ago you created TSV Marl-Hüls as a redirect to VfB Hüls. You are sure about this? I think they are separate clubs, as effident in the fact that the former now plays in the Westfalenliga and the later in the Regionalliga West. Can you remember what your reasoning was back then? If you can't I might nominate the redirect for deletion as it could be misleading and I don't intend to create an article on TSV Marl-Hüls right now. Thanks, Calistemon (talk) 15:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I cross-checked with the German Wikipedia just to get a better idea and they have two separate articles, too, no obvious connection there. I think it could be speedely deleted but that of course is your call as the author/creater. Thanks for the quick reply, Calistemon (talk) 15:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Ivica Dragutinović

This was smelling, now it's reeking...come on, not even EXT.LINK#2, which is Serbian, refers to FK BOR. Whoever keeps doing this (more than one user i don't know, but now it's an account) now changed their M.O. to the categories section (FK BOR PLAYERS).

Kind regards - --AL (talk) 18:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

The first result on googling "Ivica Dragutinović fk bor", UEFA, says he did play for them. hope this helps, Struway2 (talk) 18:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
  • I'd say a SERBIAN website knows better mates. Please consider the guy who wrote that could have copied it from our good 'ole WP, matter of fact most of the text at coincides with his WP article. --AL (talk) 19:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Football Association of Serbia. In Cyrillic script, between Полимље (Polimlje) and Борац (Borac), you'll find Бор. hope this helps, Struway2 (talk) 20:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks to all the parties involved (thumbs up to User:FkpCascais as well!), nice teamwork --AL (talk) 22:29, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Please Unblock Me

This is Colton Cosmic. Dear Giantsnowman, I am asking that you look over and unblock my account. I wanted to put this on the administrator's noticeboard but it won't accept IP edits. I decided to post it on three admins' talkpages instead. I picked you three for no reason other than I noticed you had made recent edits. Colton Cosmic.[19] — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Gorka López

Hi there SNOWY,

another AFD extraordinaire. As you see, has three La Liga seasons under his belt (two for Sporting de Gijón), but ZERO games. Other than that, his sole FIFA U-20 World Cup appearance does not confer notability does it?

Cheers, keep it up - --AL (talk) 14:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chohung Bank FC

With reference to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chohung Bank FC I have now re-written:

I also make reference in my comments to the status of the Korean National Football Championship, predecessor to the current FA Cup, with reference to the Korean Football Association website. It is a shame that this page which lists the National Football Championship winners and runners-up is not in English.

  • 조흥은행 = Chohung Bank FC
  • 제일모직 = Cheil Industries FC

League Octopus (League Octopus 06:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC))

More separatists

Found this one for you (please see here, this chap seems to "prefer" his people Galician.

Duly reverted and tipped (sorry, had to be in Spanish, not sure if the person speaks English). Happy weekend man! --AL (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


Could you undelete User:Edinburgh Wanderer, I'm going to change it completely.E W 13:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

No but I'm going to try and find out. What do you think of the user page. Nice and simple.E W 14:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Found a few versions of it in the design centre and just simplified it further. Thats all it needs to be, thanks for doing that for me.E W 14:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Don't know if you need direct links but i would like me userspace pages undeleted. Not sure whether as an admin you can see it without direct links.E W 13:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I know a few of the top of my head but not sure about others. User:Edinburgh Wanderer/Links, User:Edinburgh Wanderer/Projects, User:Edinburgh Wanderer/Grant Adam. I will need to have a think of the others.E W 13:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you.E W 14:56, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Im sure you will notice from all the page moves but thats the rename been done.B S 21:58, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Lucas Castro

Please do not add or change content without verifying it by citing reliable sources, as you did to Lucas Castro. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Juve10 (talk) 16:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not arguing....why would you try to eliminate a detailed article that is backed by sources of his OFFICIAL transfer to Catania and put a one- sentence piece of garbage article on this website? Look it up if you dont believe me. Juve10 (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I will personally search and add all sources for this article if you just give me a little time. Leave this article alone because your edits are clearly not helping Wikipedia in any way right now. Clearly you were on the wrong end of the facts with this one. And again, I am not arguing. I will source the information that I LOOKED UP...NOT MADE UP. I will report you as well if you continue with this nonsense and I will surely be the one supported once I prove to you that the article is not bogus. Juve10 (talk) 16:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, sounds more then fair. I will do my best to find the most reliable sources possible and of course, any help is welcome. I felt that you threatened me unnecessarily and I was a little offended by that because in no way am I trying to ever harm or provide false information to this website. Thanks for your understanding. Have a nice weekend. Ciao Juve10 (talk) 16:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

User competency issues

Hi GS, what should you do if you feel a user just isn't getting the way Wikipedia works. I've left a few links in talk pages hoping he would read them but I don't think he has. IMO the next stage would be directly telling him what he is doing wrong on his talk page and linking the appropriate policies, and possibly suggesting that if he can't grasp these policies then he shouldn't be editing Wikipedia. But I wanted to hear if that was right or if there's is a better way. Cheers Adam4267 (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

From your userpage

[20] --Rschen7754 08:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for all your help this week, in fact for ever. I don't deserve it, if i could buy you a real one i would. E W 14:56, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Couple of issues

2012-13 Republika Srpska Cup

I can understand your frustration with lack of sources - have we tried to mentor/educate him re sources / proper references? Some of his work e.g 2012–13 First League of the Republika Srpska shows potential that might be developed into reasonable work. For me the bottom line is that I look at the article and not the editor. There are many examples of articles that have been developed by various editors after an inauspicious sloppy start.

Club notability

Quietly I have been developing my thoughts on Club Notability. I do not think there will ever be true consensus on this issue but I have been developing the concept of the "Grey Area" along with a Club Notability Table (currently incomplete) . Any feedback you can provide (say in two weeks time) would be brilliant. I would like to eradicate major gremlins if possible but I realise that some of my ideas are unlikely to be "mainstream". If there are others that you know who might be interested in my approach please let them know but explain that it is very much "work in progress". Many thanks. League Octopus (League Octopus 20:26, 23 July 2012 (UTC))


Were you talking to me? --John (talk) 11:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Both of you. GiantSnowman 11:48, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I see. Well, thanks, I guess. --John (talk) 11:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Esteghlal F.C.

Instead of warning responsible users, you can warn those users, who write incorrect notes in purpose and can't stand de-correcting them again and again. e.g. User_talk:MFredow. MiNeum71 (talk) 12:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

So Mister, now you can show how serios you are: User_talk:MFredow has defaced my user Page as well as my Talk. And he has editted Esteghlal F.C. again, writing an incorrect information: Related to World Cup players of Esteghlal F.C., Naser Hejazi was NOT a player of then called Taj F.C. during the World Cup 1978; but he can't stand it noting wrong data. MiNeum71 (talk) 19:08, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

By the way, I put this issue up for discussion, nobody responded: Talk:Esteghlal_F.C.#Fixing. Maybe you've got the solution. MiNeum71 (talk) 19:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


There's a thread on ANI that you may interested in. It's Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Need an earnest and honest block review on Airtuna08 and FourteenClowns. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 19:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I mistakenly thought you blocked these users, but I see you only put a block notice on one of the user pages. Therefore, you may not care about the issue at ANI. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 19:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for your efforts. User:MFredow has editted Esteghlal F.C. again, this time using an anonymous access (, just not to be caught - at least my suspicion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MiNeum71 (talkcontribs) 06:51, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


Hi there my friend,

considering this (see here!_said_Zebedee#Sock_2, this admin is very busy it seems and sometimes not only does he not block he does not even reply - he used to block on sight after my reports in the past) and this investigation (here, think a block and/or community ban is warranted?

This person is really bugging people (not only me now, i did not lauch the investigation so there) off, see Thomas Schaaf and Luis Enrique Martínez García's edit history to see the fight he has given over the last year and this one, gluing all sentences in storyline, removing stuff in boxes, all without one word. OF COURSE, he does not respond to any messages whatsoever as well...

Attentively, happy weekend - --AL (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


I'm cool with you removing my edit, but if your going to clean up vandalism, then do it properly... re read the SPORT section on the article, you tell me thhat, unscoursed, uncitied, blatant POV style: meets Wiki criteria ? Football Crazy. (talk) 07:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


Just to let you know; WP:OTRS got an email relating to your 2012 talk page archive; a badly configured mirror was making the content appear under a persons real name in Google searches. To mitigate this I redacted the name from your archive - I hope that's ok :) --Errant (chat!) 10:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012

There's a lot of unreferenced statistics in football biographies. You got me angry because there's no need to show sources in many times. Do we show references when we're filling the footballer infobox? Why are you insisting. These're not special information. Unlike footballer infobox informations, international goals are strict and don't open to discuss. I'm sorry but you're wasting your time. There're more important pages and informations that you have to check. Best regards...--Sabri76'talk 17:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

User competency issues

Hi GS, I notified the user on his talk page like you said and linked relevant guidlines to him however he responded negatively. I think he is still having problems with some of the issues I raised (a recent edit was a clear violation of WP:CIVIL) but I'm not sure what to do. Help would be appreciated. Thanks Adam4267 (talk) 18:51, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

This is his reply to me on his talk page [21]. And this is his most recent edit [22] which I believe having just been warned about Civility he should not be making. I am willing to go back and find other examples if you wish but you can see from his talk page that other have had issue with him. As I said to him I think he can be a good editor but he needs to start working by Wikipedia's rules rather than his own. Adam4267 (talk) 19:13, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Administrator Opinion

Hello, a friend sent me an email about an article currently undergoing so many edit wars that it is now locked completely from editing. Can you go to the heated discussion on the talk page and give opinions as an expert? If so, I will check back here later and try to figure out how to link to the topic from here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galaxywarrior (talkcontribs) 20:30, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


For what this guy did in Sergio Ramos (please see here, i think a block is more than in order no? Does a murderer get a slap on the wrist if it's their first offense? No he does not, and this "user" did wiki-murder, nothing less nothing more.

Believe it or not (but i am happy to provide evidence if requested), i managed to provide evidence which led to an anon IP to be blocked for...three YEARS, more than proof it can be done, that's the closest to indef, which i know is not possible in those situations.

Attentively, regards and happy week - --AL (talk) 20:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Sock vandal

Hi there again man,

regarding this investigation (please see here, nothing has been done, the Montenegrin nuisance, now User:Gemide continues (also continues with his brilliant userpages) giving me the time of day at Mehmet Topal, removing my refs and my improvement of article overall. I have desisted longsince to converse with these people, especially when my style leaves a lot to be desired in terms of correction (my tolerance for vandalism has now reached an all-low point; well, this guy should not be classified as a "classic" vandal, but he is a nuisance as he stands now).

He has no clue and has been told several times (not just by me, just ask User:Mattythewhite) he's not welcome until he "regenerates", he continues to do as he pleases. Sorry to impose again, "see" ya'. --AL (talk) 13:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Done, blocked! Of course he won't stop, he's aiming for this guy's record. Cheers --AL (talk) 15:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

/* Re:Help me please */

Once, I edited a page and by mistake, I deleted some information, when I put the information back it sends me a message and deletes the information, everything is referenced and I have the sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakanqat (talkcontribs) 18:45, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Answered on your talk page. There is no "it" sending you messages: it's editors who revert your edits. Drmies (talk) 19:19, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

The Eagles F.C.

Hey GiantSnowman Im the creator of The Eagles F.C.and i just want to tell you why it should not be deleted well lets start with the "2011" sharjah cup,i mistyped that and im really sorry i just fixed it,Uhmm about the sources and Refernces well i just included two their official website and their twitter page,I think this page should not be because the club is becoming very famous in the UAE and Iraq and they really deserve a chance and a spot on Wikipedia. Thank you hope you dont delete it ,Respect your opinion. ReckoningAce (talk) 10:10, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Eisfeld

I see that you deleted the recently created Thomas Eisfeld per a previous discussion. It appears that the original article was deleted mainly due to the fact that he failed WP:FOOTBALL. Since the discussion, it looks like he has made his professional debut and has received some modicum of coverage for it. I am no football expert, but it looks like he might now pass WP:FOOTBALL and could possibly be worthy of inclusion at this point. Thanks. Topher385 (talk) 13:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi GiantSnowman,I fully understand why my article has been deleted but I would like to know what will happen when Eisfeld does make his professional debut,in terms of will my article be re-established or will a new article be written? Thanks in advance Goner 16 (talk) 14:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)Goner 16

Not canvassing

I'm not canvassing - I've alerted every editor who has made more than a single edit to the article - whichever side they are on - to inform them what is happening. Spiritofstgeorge (talk) 13:02, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

With a grossly bias and inaccurate post though, but in fairness you are flooding both sides with your incorrect message. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:06, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
But I have invited every registered editor who has made more than a single edit to be aware of what is happening. I could understand your concern if I was just inviting one side but surely this is merely informing all interested editors rather than 'canvassing'. By the way, thanks Britishwatcher for recognising that I was evenhanded, though I'm not sure what was inaccurate in what I reported. Spiritofstgeorge (talk) 15:46, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
(Talk page stalker)Both sides notified or not, its canvassing. You expressed your opinion on the side of the debate not simply a notification of discussion. Blethering Scot 15:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
OK then, then I apologise. I thought canvassing was trying to get support from one side in a dispute, but what I did would encourage all editors to get involved. Fair do - I'll learn my lesson and not do that again. Spiritofstgeorge (talk) 15:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
WP:CANVASSING says "Ideally, such notices should be polite, neutrally worded with a neutral title". You headed your canvassing with "Be Warned - Rangers FC - an attempt to push through a controversial 'same club' approach". That's the problem. DeCausa (talk) 15:59, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Another separatist

Sigh (as seen here, sigh indeed...

Regards, keep it up --AL (talk) 15:44, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I beg your pardon mate? So, what is the difference, according to you (to me it's the same) between this user and this one (please see here, which has received a formal final warning (he blanked the page without replying, classy, but at least he stopped with his approach)?

Of course, there will always be references to back something of that sort up (Catalan newspapers, articles, etc, and for example Oleguer Presas most definitely feels himself to be Catalan not Spanish, but i thought this approach was not encouraged at WP. Jordi Amat is SPANISH, period (as the article very well contains/explains, he was born in Canet de Mar, Catalonia, but he's Spanish, not Spanish/Catalan, really baffled as i see no difference between ATBAN3000 and A0123456, as you seem to). --AL (talk) 20:40, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

  • No my friend, i am trying very hard but i can't. I still don't see the difference between those two user approaches, can you please be of service in that department (as in "user X did this and that", whereas "user Y did this and that and is more on the right"). I see nothing but separatism/agenda-pushing here.

Cheers, please do reply - --AL (talk) 14:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Brendan Rodgers

Hello, the Europa League is a competitive fixture. If you contest that, then...well, you're just wrong. Malarious (talk)

No worries! Easily done, they do tend to blur into one another... Malarious (talk)

George Skakel

Sorry, but I removed your prod, because this is likely to be controversial deletion (as is everything about the Kennedy family). Please go to WP:AfD. Bearian (talk) 16:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

David Armstrong (Northern Irish footballer)

Could you check this article and see if its this player[23][24]. And if it is what condition its in. Blethering Scot 20:40, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Who is who...

Hi GS. Regarding our latest episode about, I want to ask you something as you are a sysop. How do we know who is who? I mean, are we sure that was the owner of the website? Are his words enough for us to disregard

PS: I noteced opened a couple a days ago the info which was exclusive for members, like years and goals, and now is visible for everyone. FkpCascais (talk) 04:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Roland Szabó (Slovak footballer)

Hi. Can you undelete the article of Slovak footballer Roland Szabó as he made his pro debut with AS Trenčín on 22 October 2011 - source -RUŽOMBEROK VS. TRENČÍN 1 - 1 22.10.2011, IQual (talk) 09:15, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Štefan Gerec

Hi. Can you undelete also the article of Slovak footballer Štefan Gerec as he made his pro debut with MFK Ružomberok on 28 July 2012 - source -RUŽOMBEROK VS. DUKLA 1 - 0 04.08.2012, IQual (talk) 09:15, 04 August 2012 (UTC)

2012 Sheikh Jassem Cup

Can you re-create the page that was recently deleted? It is a competition currently being played and I for one will be wanting to recreate ASAP and update as I do with all other Asian football articles. Regards. Druryfire (talk) 11:47, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Bill Cunningham (footballer)

Hi there! My edit, the removal of two categories was correct, but it seems that you found my edit summary of "Correcting birth/death cats" insufficient. I've put a paragraph on Talk:Bill Cunningham (footballer) to explain why I made the change. I'm going through articles that use the category "Date of birth missing" because the category is not infrequently used incorrectly, and it seems to be excessive to put a similar note on every talk page to explain the correct usage of the category.

For similar edits in the future would you think if sufficient if I used an edit summary of the form?

Rm cat Date of birth missing - see category description for correct usage

Thanks --Quiet Editor (talk) 13:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Refactoring comments

I just wanted to comment that this would generally be acceptable per Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages. It would be non-contentious cleanup in the manner of "fixing technical matters of wikitext formatting, tables, templates, and the like" (although I can see the argument against that since the initial edit wasn't broken. In either case, I just thought I'd point it out, no harm done either way. Ryan Vesey 20:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

The argument for doing this is that faux-externs with often flip users of the secure server to an unlogged-in state resulting in inadvertent disclosures of IPs. Works the other way, too, of course. Anyway, you've been reverted. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 20:46, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


Omg, well, should we report for 3RR breach on Loric Cana, pov vandalism, SPI, or something else... What to do now, do you know? --WhiteWriterspeaks 10:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, no. Obvious vandals like this one are blocked quite quickly, so i cannot remember. :( But it is sock, he mention WP:MOS, so we is a returnee... --WhiteWriterspeaks 10:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

David Armstrong (Northern Irish footballer)

Sorry for not getting back to you. Duck hasnt been around for a whilst and took for ever to the season articles and then forgot all about this. If you restore it and ill have a go at it.Blethering Scot 16:10, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I believe that was its original title before a move happened, personally i think thats a better title. Oh well you can let me know the outcome not really looking at that page at all these days.Blethering Scot 16:27, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Wasnt in a very good condition after all, oh well its a bit better now. Saying that no idea where i can find Northern Ireland youth stats.Blethering Scot 19:51, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you very much for participating in my RfA. I really appreciate your sentiments and am glad you took the time to read through my nomination statement.

Oh, and just as an aside, I hope you were not under the impression that I devalue the work vandal fighters take part in. They are an integral part of the Wikipedia community, no matter what anyone's standards for valued contributions are. The only reason it fails to entertain me is because it is fast paced, especially without the use of vandal fighting peripherals such as Huggle or Twinkle (or whatever people are using these days). I can't recall ever having made a single report to AIV or UAA because someone always beats me to the chase! =/

In any case, thank you for your time. Take care. =) Master&Expert (Talk) 22:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


Please sort out my mess. Please move User:User:Adam4267/Caolan Lavery to User:Adam4267/Caolan Lavery. User:LEAM0114 moved it out of Adam's user space and Sputnik CSD it so i thought id see if i could move it back but cocked up with the whole enter title and what kind of space so ended up with the double user and no message to say i couldn't. Anyway its no longer in article space but in the wrong title. Sorry.Blethering Scot 23:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Check out the double user. Couldn't move it back to Just user because there was a redirect there. But I see someone has now deleted the redirect. Blethering Scot 09:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
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Sir Sputnik (talk) 10:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh well didn't know about the other moves just the original one where it hadnt but thanks anyway. Blethering Scot 11:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Portuguese vandal

Very very serious, this guy with the name of a city in my country, has to be a countryman because of the name and his edits of choice (list of "contributions" here People have been talking to him about his box removals, he says "talk to the hand". Why did i start with "serious"? Because of this edit i found (please see here, Vítor Gomes was loaned to Cagliari Calcio for five months, he did not play but that's another story.

BANG! The "user" removed it, without one word. I have already briefed him but that will be my first and last message, because i have sworn i will not lose it again after my fresh start/name change, and my next message would definitely not be a good one, so i leave it in the hands of people more capable than me. Happy to translate my message to Funchal to you, lest there are doubts: "Could you please stop with that if it's not too much trouble? Vítor Gomes was loaned to Cagliari Calcio, if he did not play that's another story. And Pelé was bought by Genoa, can't you see the references in the article? Some respect please." That goes to show that my next message (don't worry, it won't happen) would be indeed aggressive, and i don't want that.

Cheerio, kind regards - --AL (talk) 23:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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  • The person has sent a message to you i see, and it seems to be directed at me because it's in my (OUR) mothertongue, it says in a correct translation (google translator is very poor if i may say so) "But he did not play goddamn it fuck, don't talk to me like i'm a dog, talk to me with respect". I have already sent another one, saying i am sorry it ended with him being blocked and that i may have exaggerated with the use of the word "vandal" (surely looked like it - and by the way, removing true info after being told time and time again not to constitutes such if i may add).

See, i never learn, last time i meddle with this stuff (this situation notwithstanding --AL (talk) 14:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Benjamin Lee (footballer)

Reference added, your undo restored. Salty1984 (talk) 12:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It is only editable by the agents of the players themselves. It's a perfectly valid source, if I knew how to edit it then I would as there are a few extra bits I could add in about my team.Salty1984 (talk) 12:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Why do you need a better source for what clubs he's played for? As if there's going to be a plethora of information about a sh*t Danish/Singaporean footballer. Why would someone put on a list of clubs on transfermarkt that no-one has ever heard of on there for a guy playing for a team in the S-League, a division so bad that Jonathan Toto scored 12 goals last season in it? Stop being ridiculous and find it yourself if it bothers you that much! Here is him playing for Frem with stats, nobody would make that stuff up.

HAHA: Found something! GIRUY National TV channel! Valid source!

"He has played for AB, Forward, Vanløse and B93."

Salty1984 (talk) 15:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


Don't worry GS. Thanks for dealing with that Caolan Lavery thing as well. Adam4267 (talk) 13:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Just realised the AFC bot has moved it to Articles for Creation. Help please! Adam4267 (talk) 13:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks GS. Adam4267 (talk) 14:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)



I notice that as of Feb this year you became an administrator?

What do you have to do? Would it be possible for me to become one?


BCB — Preceding unsigned comment added by BradfordCityBrad1 (talkcontribs) 22:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


Am i still right that a player who plays in First Division still meets WP:Footy. One of my artilces about a player who played for Ayr last season is at AFD and i have so little time at the mo so dont want to waste time on it if consensus has changed.Blethering Scot 23:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Roddy Patterson. Not one of my best I have to say, just struggling for time at the mo. Season articles past and present are taking up all my time with duck not being around so don't think I'll be creating player articles unless they are Hearts players in future. To be honest not sure the nom realised played in div1 but I did point it out when he tried to CSD it. Blethering Scot 10:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Meant to say just wanted to check because so out of touch with that now. Blethering Scot 10:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Wasnt going to do this but, If someone has auto patrolled i.e. pages they create are automatically marked as patrolled and you are concerned that in fact they shouldn't have it what to you do. I know where you go to get it but not if there is a problem. Its kind of related to the above and ive noticed problems on several articles and fixed it but to be honest its happening all the time eithier not really started let alone finished or this David Somers an article thats about someone else. He has copy and pasted this article Eddie Smith (referee) and not changed it.Blethering Scot 22:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry dont know why i explained what auto patrolled is. Sure you know that.Blethering Scot 22:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
No point talking to him he just ignores it tried before. Not sure that thats the right place as I've looked there before ill just mail an admin involved there or work out who gave the permission and get their view. Just wanted your opinion on whether it was worthwhile.Blethering Scot 10:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I actually just realised looking i asked at autopatrolled before but never checked for an answer and was told maybe WP:ANI but not sure that would be appropriate at this time either as its not really an incident as such. If thats the case then im just leaving it as don't have time to put a proper case forward. Its my Birthday today and after that i will be away for a week.Blethering Scot 10:56, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Carles Gil

Hi there mate,

article created again (and if i'm not mistaken again by the same chap that "born" it the first time, User:Creed7!), has only played in Segunda División B thus far. Cheerio --AL (talk) 01:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Patsy Strang

A merge could be a good option...? GiantSnowman 10:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

It's worth seriously considering. There's already some material in Philip Larkin on his women, including Strang, but it's spread through the history section, and putting too much material there could unbalance it. There's a standalone article on Monica Jones, which contains a fair amount of material, too much for a merge - and I would have difficulty seeing that Jones has a significantly greater notability than Strang, given the intense relationship he had with Strang, and their important correspondence. My feeling is that if there was to be a merge, it would be more effective and useful to create a section in the Larkin article on his women. If the material proves to be too much for that article, then consideration could be given to having a standalone article on Philip Larkin's women, into which Patsy Strang and Monica Jones could be merged. Ideally I think it would be useful to have a dedicated section in Philip Larkin which summarises his relationships, linking to a standalone article which would be able to deal with the topic in greater depth. I'll copy this to the talkpage, see what others think. SilkTork ✔Tea time 12:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Fernando Llorente

How 'bout that level of vandalism? Interesting no? Is it because he scored a goal in a friendly against England 3 or 4 years ago? Could be, would not be surprised the least...

Don't worry, piece also in my watchlist (yes you have protected it, thanks a million, but that has never stopped the vandals in their tracks - i have seen "users" creating an account only to vandalize, then editing ONCE and that's it!) --AL (talk) 14:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Adding your name after a message


Sorry to keep bothering you but after you send me messages, you sign it with your name which I can then click on it to reply back. How can I go about doing this?


BCB — Preceding unsigned comment added by BradfordCityBrad1 (talkcontribs) 08:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the help.

Thanks for the help mate.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 09:18, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Bradford City Captain


I can understand where you are coming from, Chapalar has said on twitter that he spoke to PP after the Bury game and he said Ravenhill will be the captain and G Jones when he is not available.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand mate, thought I heard PP state he would be naming the captain today, hence why I put it up, thinking it would be verified later on. Thanks

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 20:51, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Will probably be revealed in the team news tomorrow

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 21:42, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


Hello Giant. You keep warning me for adding 'unsourced' information. e.g. the page of Youri Loen, a football player of NEC. I added his height, which I can see on the website of Eredivisie Live: Why are you so interested in Dutch football? I don't like to have warnings, while I don't mess with pages. Explain please.

Brown and Bass Squad numbers

Are the squad numbers permanent?

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 14:07, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

The website says the captain is G Jones

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 14:25, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

G Jones will take the place of Ravenhill until he is back from injury.

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 14:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I have edited the Captain and Vice captain on the Bradford City page

BradfordCityBrad1 (talk) 18:17, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For all of your great work in all aspects of AfD! Electric Catfish 15:11, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jalil Zaidan Agool

Not sure if this was intentional or if it was some kind of witty pun I didn't pick up on... "Pepper" @ 13:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

David Haro Iniesta

Hi there my friend, "AL" here,

Jesus what a mess! I saw that this player was prodded for lack of notability, and his creator has been duly notified. Thus i thought it was another of his errors and sent him a message, but he replied saying this particular player met WP:NOTABILITY.

Hence, my doubt: does appearing in Copa del Rey confer notability. I really thought it did not, can you clear me to kickstart the week :) If not, he does not merit an article, because he has only appeared in Segunda División B so far.

Kind regards, happy week - --AL (talk) 13:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: David Haro Iniesta

A few days ago nfitz (talk · contribs) contested close to twenty articles I had PROD'ed including this one. I will be taking all of them to afd eventually. The only reason I haven't done so yet is concerns over participation levels. Just look at the afd's for Elidon Selaci or Hossein Hosseini Hafshejani, and you'll see what I mean. My general rule of thumb has been, if I can only just fit all the afd's listed at WP:FOOTY onto my screen at once, chances are it's better to wait for some of the on going afd's to finish. If you want to afd Iniesta, your welcome to it, I'm just worried it'll no one will !vote on it. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Ejike Uzoenyi

Hello, I have added the citation as requested. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

August 2012

He plays for the Cyprus national football team. No information about his English roots. I acted according to page's informations. Esc2003 (talk) 19:12, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

AfD with 99,99999999999999999999999% of certainty

Hi there mate,

have a glance at José Freijo please. I browsed him in and, found nothing. In the article it says in a Spanish reference he MIGHT make debut with E.Guinea (back in late 2007), maybe he did not don't you think?

If not, and as his career has been all amateur clubwise, we have to "ice" this fellow, putting him to sleep with the "wiki-fishes", what do you make of it, o godfather of all Wikipedians? Regards as always - --AL (talk) 23:45, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

(Re)cheerio --AL (talk) 00:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

David Taylor (footballer born 1883)

Hello. I have changed the St Johnstone manager navbox to 1924 now. The David Taylor article (before I changed it) had him playing for Burnley until 1924 but managing St Johnstone from 1922 so I'm certain 1924 is correct. I am working on a full article for St Johnstone Managers using a series of articles from old match programmes as my main source and that also states he managed St Johnstone from 1924. Gives the exact date as May 6, 1924 in fact. --Grievous Angel (talk) 18:33, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

André Gonçalves Marques

I've been neglecting, too many AFD's from Spain and not one single from my country :(

Sure, this guy had one season in Primeira Liga as part of C.F. Estrela da Amadora's roster, but he played ZERO games and the rest of his career has been spent in the lower leagues.

Kind regards, a good break from the heart is what i wish thee! --AL (talk) 23:13, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Help needed

Me again...per this WP:FOOTY i brought forth, think the page move is granted after seeing my arguments (please see here

I notified User:Thumperward, but received ZERO words in feebdback, and he has been editing. He's one of quite a few (not going to name names unless requested) that, maybe due to my poor reputation (the summaries, the messages to vandals) chooses to leave me hanging no matter how hard i try.

I'm not going to say that everyone, the first thing they have to do when they log in is "bow down to my power and get in touch with me immediately or else", and people have a life outside WP, but spending hours editing in more than one day and not even reply with one word when i'm ASKING FOR HELP?

Thanks, happy "rest of the rest" --AL (talk) 18:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Reply came and boy was it an angry one! Like my name says, always learning new lessons in life. --AL (talk) 18:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Luka Tiodorović

Hi, hope you had nice hollydays. Just to let you know that this article you had deleted has been recreated now. The guy had played in the Polish Ekstraklasa last seasons, and yesterday he made his debut in the Serbian SuperLiga... Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 02:07, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

James Ward-Prowse

Hi - thanks for adding the reference to my last edit. I was going to do so but got dragged away. Enjoy the rest of your holiday. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Soccer nonsense

Hey Snowman, enjoy your break. Can I snap you out of it for a moment? Some green matter needs your attention at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Previous_Topic_Ban_U-Turn. You're an admin, you edit soccer articles, you know what's going on... Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Martin Boyle

Just wondering this was deleted via AFD because he played for Montrose and no signification coverage. He know plays for Dundee and has made an appearance. I asked the admin who deleted it if he could either put in my userspace or undelete. He doesnt appear to be very active, you voted in the discussion so not sure if you will be able to help but thought id ask.Blethering Scot 17:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for that. Im going to update Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Scotland task force/Articles to be created tomorrow as there i a whole load of players who have now played in SFL1 and a few in the SPL that need created if you fancy a go.Blethering Scot 17:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Ive not double checked the current ones that are already there but they should be from last season. Ill double check when i update but feel free.Blethering Scot 17:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Inter Milan

I get the feeling you're staying out of the discussion re: the title of the Inter Milan article for a reason, but can I ask you to please make a comment? A lot of different arguments have been presented since the RM was closed, and I think the discussion would benefit from a pair of fresh eyes. – PeeJay 19:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. I do think it would be helpful to have a WP:FOOTY veteran like you have your say when you come back though. In the meantime, have a nice time away. – PeeJay 19:42, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Prince tpb

Please do not add or change content without verifying it by citing reliable sources, as you did to Armando Vajushi. Isn't a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prince tpb (talkcontribs) 20:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

our edit did not introduce a new source - but yes, UEFA would be a reliable source.

The information was from; the link: I don't know if you have read Armando Vajushi but the sources there are certainly not reliable and also contradictory. I just wanted to improve the article considering the fact that I'm Albanian and I certainly know more about him than others.

I also tried to find the sources of the appearances and goals scored by him with Vllaznia Shkodër, Albania U19, Albania U21 and Albania, but I didn't find any. The numbers there are wrong; you just need to use one of the references (the 9th - which is in albanian) to see that they don't match.

I think you should check Armando Vajushi again, cause you will find incorrect information (using the given references), differing from that given by me which was correct (using UEFA's sources and considering the fact that I'm Albanian and use Albanian sources as well); the one you undid.

I would appreciate it if you could reply to me.

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prince tpb (talkcontribs) 21:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC) 

Salted page?

Hi GS. Hope you are all good. I have been looking at Jan Šebek, it appears to be salted. He has however made two appearances in the fully-professional Czech 2. Liga. I have located a page about this individual and made updates, references etc, so I would like to ask you to move it into place. It's currently in user space at User:PrJ 27/Jan Šebek. Thank you very much. Cloudz679 21:36, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Cloudz679 08:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Needing a source for a picture?

Hi GS, I have no intentions of resurfacing a ridiculous debate with Monkeymanman. So if possible can I please have your opinion and I shall abide by whatever you say. Can this picture be used in the Green Brigade page?

Green Brigade banner on 5 March 2011 in support of manager Neil Lennon.

Just a note I took both pictures that are on the page but for some reason Monkeyman only seems to object to the one about Neil Lennon. Thanks.

Thanks GS. Sory to keep bothering you. Adam4267 (talk) 08:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Bengt Lindskog

May I ask if you found my first edit of the Bengt Lindskog article somehow doubtful? I had no reference, that's true, but many (if not most) edits have no references. And I can't see anything controversial with it. You also regarded it POV. What was POV with it? Fomalhaut76 (talk) 16:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, the Wikipedias would be edited much more seldom if every edit had to be accompanied by a reference. According to the guideline [a]ll quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable published source using an inline citation. I, however, did not regard my edit likely to be challenged. And when it comes to Lindskog being seen as one of Sweden's best players in those days, it was said by George Raynor, the national team's head trainer. Mentioned, by the way, in the same source I finally did add. Fomalhaut76 (talk) 17:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

range block

I soft-blocked for two weeks. Feel free to upgrade it to a hard block if necessary.—Kww(talk) 13:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

List of oldest companies

Brilliant, just blindly revert, you know you are removing useful edits i made. Gunter (talk) 16:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Erjon Vuçaj

Hello there! I think User:Albaniafutboll/Erjon Vuçaj might be ready for the main space now, although Oltianruci may add some more. What do you think? Albaniafutboll (talk) 23:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hope you had great vacations! I saw you online. Did you have a chance to look at the above? Albaniafutboll (talk) 22:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Chantel McGregor

Hi there GiantSnowman, can you help me? A picture of Chantel McGregor on her page has disappeared but i don't know how to get it back up. It seems like there's been vandalism as it was in a info box, now all there is are a few lines at the top of the page with some info in them, but no box or picture. Not sure i've explained this correctly but woulds appreciate some help in fixing the page. ThanksBradford4life (talk) 19:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

It seems like someone has fixed the problem, thanks anyway, and come on you Bantams.Bradford4life (talk) 19:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

An invitation for you!

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Hello, GiantSnowman. We are in the early stages of initiating a project to plan, gain consensus on, and coordinate adding a feature to the main page wherein an article will be listed daily for collaborative improvement. If you're interested in participating, please add your name to the list of members.

 Happy editing! AutomaticStrikeout 21:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Urgently need your help to move article

Hi GiantSnowman, sorry to bother you. I really urgently please need your help. As you are a administrator, I need your help to "Move" the article Tinchy Stryder to the article Kwasi Danquah III for me, so that the article history will be intacted. My regards MarkMysoe (talk) 08:53, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello GiantSnowman, thanks for the reply. I have already left a message to Qwyrxian but have not been replied. So I thought to ask you, as I know you. Please GiantSnowman if can you urgently help to "Move" the article Tinchy Stryder to the article Kwasi Danquah III for me, so that the article history will be intacted. I will be forever grateful – MarkMysoe (talk) 09:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
GiantSnowman, please, I thought you would of honestly know my editing behavior well already and to know that I don't do things that act against consensus. Richhoncho had nominated the article for deletion (this AfD) because it was cut and paste move, and apologized for nominating the article for deletion. Then Qwyrxian who closed the deletion discussion (this AfD) said that I should of used the, "Move" command, to keep the article history intacted, but I could not of use the, "Move" command, because the article Kwasi Danquah III had already been created when I created it on (01:47, 11 November 2011) then redirected the article to Tinchy Stryder. Richhoncho who admitted that he mistakenly nominated the article Kwasi Danquah III for deletion and was sorry, and said that I should support the deletion then start again, which is what I have done. Qwyrxian said that I should list it on Wikipedia:Requested moves which I have also done. So as I'am not a Wikipedia:administrator, I can not move the article from the incorrect title of Tinchy Stryder to the correct title Kwasi Danquah III myself, because I already created the article on (01:47, 11 November 2011). All I'am asking is for the article to be moved by a sincere and understanding administrator, such as yourself GiantSnowman, from the incorrect article title Tinchy Stryder to be moved to it's correct title of Kwasi Danquah III. If you can help me to do this, then I will be forever grateful, but if you can not help me to this, it is fine. My sincere regards – MarkMysoe (talk) 09:56, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

An Admin Gremlin

FK 34 Brusno has been subject to PROD but has not appeared in Nominations for deletion and page moves. League Octopus (League Octopus 17:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC))

Otman Bakkal

Hey, thanks for the message! I wasn't able to locate a source, but the information I added was from the article on the same footballer in the Dutch Wikipedia, so it should be reliable. However, I will try to find a citation. Best regards, my talk page. Oleg Morgan 00:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Peter Lübeke

Dear Mr. Giant Snowman,

To the article of "Peter lübeke, German footballer" I would like to give you information about the sources. The source is "uefa-jugendturnier", a site in German, which contents all German national-Youth teams and their members. Another source is " Breitner Wikipedia". Another source is " Kaltz Wikipedia". Another source is " Kargus Wikipedia". Another source is "".

I have looked it up for You, I don´t need it, because I know it by heart.

Thanks al lot ! In my opinion everything has been done to reset the article.

Best regard from

Little black iceman Another source is "" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

edit conflictz

Thanks! I actually edit conflicted with you cleaning up my edit conflict... I hate that board... WormTT(talk) 14:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Jonathan Coates

I have added his appearances and goals for his time at Newport County. Also added a reference for it but im not sure if I've done that bit correct. Could you take a look at that for me please. -- Gareths0 (talk) 16:25, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

non-notable footballer

User:RRR22 has been re-creating footballers that were deleted via AFD. I've gotten those deleted via a speedy. However, he has created some more articles that have the footballer playing in the same league as those deleted. Some of the articles are Ricardo Esgaio and Gaël Etock. Not sure if these should be deleted too. Bgwhite (talk) 20:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Uhm, he has played in a fully professional league. The AfD complained that although he was signed to a professional team, he hadn't actually stepped on the field - but that's no longer true. WilyD 10:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I didn't realise that was your mistake; it wasn't mine. The AfD closed as delete because he hadn't actually played yet, which subsequently changed - I had assumed that was the mistake you were making too. WilyD 10:35, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Inter Milan

Hi mate, hope you enjoyed your time off over the long weekend! Sorry to drag you into this again, but would you mind weighing in with your opinion at Talk:Inter Milan now? The conversation seems to have gone stale and since I was the last one to comment, it might be ill-advised for me to try to rekindle it myself. – PeeJay 23:35, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I actually thought it was a positive move that everyone seemed to have taken TRM's advice and focussed on others things. If you guys want the title changed start a new RM, stop stirring the pot with digs at those you disagree with (how on Earth was using "warped agenda" going to be productive?). Jenks24 (talk) 11:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I had my criticism ready to go and received an (edit conflict), although I did note that you had struck the offending remark before sending. I'm not removing mine, it would be hypocritical. As I've said to you before, if you are unable to leave sentiment and personal dogma at the door you need to carefully review and consider those areas of Wikipedia where you are able to wield your considerable powers. IIRC you supported the move based on policy - that was correct. The policy hasn't changed in 2 months so now accusing editors of extreme bad faith in a decision you supported is perverse. Leaky Caldron 12:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
My reading of WP:NOTPERFECT is that you are expected to ".....lead by example and to behave in a respectful, civil manner in their interactions with others....etc." at ALL TIMES, not just when using your tools. Obviously if you are uncivil or disrespectful towards a single editor (as you have been with me) or a group (as you were in the earlier, stuck post) it calls into question your judgement when you are required to use the tools. There is no separation. If comments such as those came up at RFA the candidate would be given short shrift. On reflection I hope you will see why I expressed my concern earlier and why I find your comments on my talk page to be inconsistent with the Admin. role. In particular calling a concerned editor a hypocrite is beyond the pale. You are too easily provoked. Leaky Caldron 14:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I have not accused you of any such thing. I am not even aware of the Admin. work you do. What I have done is to openly question your continued suitability to work in an area where you appear to allow your personal feelings to come to the surface so readily. Should your direct personal attack remain un-redacted on my talk page I will take the matter to AN/I later today. Leaky Caldron 14:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
"you need to carefully review and consider those areas of Wikipedia where you are able to wield your considerable powers" and "shouldn't be using their tools in any football related topic" are no where near to being an accusation that you have abused your tools. They are obviously negative comments, but are a far cry from hinting at the mis-use of admin tools. They are statements that express my concern about your judgement - based on your baseless attack on editors who have arrived at a valid, policy-based consensus. Do you seriously contend that if I had the slightest reason to challenge any of your Admin. actions I would not have done so? As I say, you are too easily provoked and ready to jump to the wrong conclusion. My comments stand because I do not trust your judgement while your "hypocrite" comment on my TP is simply a direct breach of WP:NPA (by an Admin. who should know better per policy WP:ADMIN). Leaky Caldron 14:43, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Of course I can. Provided that comments are neutrally worded and justified, they can be strong enough to convey the depth of feeling an editor has on a given subject. How else do we complain about behaviour and competence? You could have said anything in response, that you disagreed or felt I was exaggerating, but you decided to resort to puerile name calling. Leaky Caldron 15:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Gabor Bukran

The changes I made were not a test, as Gabor Bukran is no longer the only Hungarian to play for Walsall; we have had his compatriot, David Grof, playing for us since the start of the 11/12 season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:05, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Michal Šulla

Hi! Can you undeleted article about Slovak goalkeeper Michal Šulla. He made his professional debut for Spartak Myjava against 1. FC Tatran Prešov on 1 September 2012, Myjava win 2 - 0. Thanks, 19:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Tom Kouzmanis

Hello Sir/Madam, I kindly wanted to ask you if you could undo your deletion of my edit, or perhaps add the information yourself if time permits. I read over the guidelines you cited but I'm not sure what I did wrong. Would it be possible for you to make any minor corrections to the information that I added? I feel it's important information to include on the wiki page, for obvious reasons. Kind regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Squarecuff56 (talkcontribs) 17:07, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Raúl Muñoz Moreno - AfD candidate

Another one will bite the dust. Glad to have you back, happy week --AL (talk) 02:58, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Plus, i have to notify you of the following: this human garbage (he is!) from Colombia continues to insult me and taunt me even if i had longsince renounced any kind of interaction. User:Scoelho86 (some claim they are the same person, notably longtime absentee User:Satori Son) says the former is a 15-year old rascal.

I have lost it and sent him a message with the kind of language these "persons" understand and appreciate. It was very low and offensive, i apologize to you (not to this lowlife, i meant every word). After you get the translation (or you can ask that to me, i'll oblige) and if you decide to block me, i won't protest (and i know that the block will now be bigger, as i have already been punished).

All this for telling him Quique Flores was the most common name in the English WP, and being supported in that by several other users (as far as i now, he has attacked only me). Ah, and so much for changing my name, the idiot found out. Sorry for any incovenience - --AL (talk) 15:14, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Again i repeat, if you choose to block me i won't budge. Also, i have removed the message per your request. Report? Report what to whom?! This "person" seems to be bouncing from IP to IP, why am i going to waste time (mine and everybody else's) with that?

Deny recognition/ignore? I did so for the last one or two years, did it do me any good? You can answer that my friend i think...--AL (talk) 15:25, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


This "user" is active as of now, vandalizing at will several FC Barcelona players (please see here, especially Isaac Cuenca. Yes, as the Colombian punk puts it, i'm a crybaby faggot who whines and complains. He should remove "faggot" (i am not but even if i was) in that sentence and add at the end "...who complains about VANDALS and LOWLIFES such as myself".

Attentively - --AL (talk) 18:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

  • I'm referring to that Colombian IP who has been on my case for almost THREE YEARS now after that mild run-in in Quique Sánchez Flores. You removed his kind message this afternoon, there you can see the word "homosexual", has called me that and everything in the referred amount of time (sometimes he uses the word "marica" or "maricón", which means "faggot"), and i'm supposed to keep my head cool...

And i'm completely going crazy not being able to prove if he and User:Scoelho86 are the same individual. Assume good faith? I wish i could, Coelho has told me he has left the same building as the punk to a house with his own private internet connection, so if the two are caught editing with the same signal again i'll know the truth has not been told (User:Satori Son, who implied these two might be one and the same, suggested he might be playing "good cop, bad cop" games with me).

Sadder and sadder by the day with stuff like this --AL (talk) 18:41, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

  • No i don't suspect anything, Satori Son implied/suggested that, it's the uncertainty that's making me crazy. So far, SCoelho has been polite, friendly and helpful. But one thing is that the account User:Xxxx693, used by the punk that insults me, seemed to have rather good intentions and edit approach (as seen here, offering to help, something a lowlife vandal would NEVER do). Then we have this disagreement in Quique Flores and he goes nuts?!

Thus, as you can imagine, i'm not going to request Coelho to leave me alone (i even have to say i messaged him to see if he had any news on the punk, he did not come to me, and he was again polite). But i most definitely will not reply to the idiot, and will notify you as well (or be a crybaby as he says!). I have also asked User:Hut 8.5 to (again, don't know why it failed this time) indef protect my userpage.

Cheerio! --AL (talk) 19:04, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


Hello, are you the one in charge of the flag icons in info boxes here on Wikipedia? I am the creator and current editor of all articles here on this website that involve Jordanian football players, national teams, and clubs. I would also like to ask you why flag icons shouldn't be allowed in the info boxes of the players' profiles here on Wikipedia. I don't see anything wrong with that and there shouldn't be. I don't find that very distracting and it shouldn't be. In fact, I find it very useful and very accurate. There should be no reason for them to be removed and also because I've been working hard on all these for the past year. If this sort of thing really isn't allowed on Wikipedia at all then why haven't you finished off all the player profiles with flag icons I've added here on this website? You have done most of them but not all of them and I'm not going to tell you which ones specifically or else you're just going to do the same with those player profiles too. You can even find out for yourself without anyone, including me, telling you. And if Wikipedia has always had this sort of rule then why have I just been told about this today and not back when I first started doing all that?! That was all unfair for me to go through all that work without knowing about this rule until now, but I have always enjoyed working here on this website because I try to reveal and spread as much info and sources as much as possible. So I beg you to please undo everything you did to the players' profiles here on Wikipedia.

P.S. I mean it's bad enough that I got suspended and almost expelled from editing articles here on this website just by uploading images, which were not even copyrighted and a lot of info was given for each image I uploaded, like their addresses. And I honestly do not want any of that to happen again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GOALWAY (talkcontribs) 20:17, 3 September 2012

Olympiacos CFP

If you have a moment, could you look at this article? It's a mess with a messy history. If you look at my comment on the article talk page, you'll note that I don't have much of a clue about what I'm doing. :-) FYI, the article was brought to "my" attention through WP:RFPP. Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Kyle Bartley

Alternatively one could simply add sources. The section at the bottom in regards to his move nand details was completely OR in appearance.Lihaas (talk) 08:37, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Can yuo prove the details of the move? Failure to do so, would confirm the apperance of OR.Lihaas (talk) 08:42, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

KSC season deletion request follow up

Following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012–13 Karlsruher SC season, where the consensus was/will be to keep the article I'm at a loss as to what to do with User:EdvonSchleck other German season articles which he since seemingly abandoned. I'm happy to follow your good example and add references and an intro to the once that other editors have taken on to update, that seems quite resonable, but I have neither the time nor the interest in updating them on a weekly base and, so far, nobody else had either. What to do with 2012–13 Rot-Weiß Oberhausen season, 2012–13 SV Darmstadt 98 season, 2012–13 1. FC Heidenheim season, 2012–13 VfR Aalen season, 2012–13 FC Energie Cottbus season, 2012–13 FC Erzgebirge Aue season, 2012–13 FC Ingolstadt 04 season, 2012–13 FC St. Pauli season, 2012–13 SC Paderborn 07 season, 2012–13 SV Sandhausen season and 2012–13 1. FC Union Berlin season, eleven articles that don't really deserve that title. What is your oppinion? Calistemon (talk) 12:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Time will tell, I guess. Calistemon (talk) 13:43, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Sos Suhana

Just letting you know, you missed this page when you deleted the parent article. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


I'm very grateful for your decisive action on that abuse page. Rgds. Leaky Caldron 13:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


Fuck you, who the hell do you think you are? I was making it in line with every other football page there is. Don't be such an idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malarious (talkcontribs) 19:10, 4 September 2012‎

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

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Mark Hughes

Hello, you have the wrong Mark Hughes, the Mark Hughes playing for scunthorpe is 19 years old. All your details are totally wrong mate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:29, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah mate I can see where you're coming from but this is the Marc Hughes you're getting confused about, it says his last club was Tolka Rovers but I know for a fact it's Cherry Orchard here in Ireland. I follow League of Ireland and I know the Mark Hughes that signed for scuthorpe United, he was a promising midfielder (not a striker) here and went on trial with Scunthorpe while they were in Ireland on their pre season tour of the country. The 19 year old Mark Hughes was at a few youth clubs in Ireland but for some reason never made a first team apperance with any League of Ireland club. Its hard to believe without making a first team app here in Ireland he got a contract in UK. There must have been a agent involved in getting him across the water.


Why? Why do you have the power to block me but I don't have the power to block you?


Hi there my friend, how's it going?

1 - User:Mega60 has come to me with the following: it seems he created this category and its appendages (People from Caravaca de la CruzCategory talk:Caravaca de la CruzCategory talk:Category:People from Caravaca de la Cruz) when he created some footballers that were later found to be non-notable. The cat(s) now is (are) useless, what's your verdict?

2 - Developments in Tiago André Coelho Lopes: after seeing the positive votes in the article's talk, i contacted the admin who moved (then "un-moved") to see if he could "re-re-move" the page name to Rabiola. Now, apparently, he says he can't because he knows nothing on the matter of Portuguese footballers? Can you weigh in any further?

Kind regards, happy weekend - --AL (talk) 14:08, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Brian Sparrow

Hi, Brian Sparrow is my step dad and all the information i edited and added was true

I don't know how to make you see its true if you look it up on google you will see

You can teach me how to do it if you want — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:27, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


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IP not sure how productive or not...

This guy is making a hell lot of edits. Most are useless, some are OK, some are doubtfull, others are unexplained removal of content. He seems to be totaly unaware of Wiki policies, consensuses and so, never writes edit summaries,etc. I noteced you blocked him a week ago. Not sure, but he is slowly becoming too annoying.

While checking his edits, I came to this one. What´s our preference btw, U-21 or U21? FkpCascais (talk) 07:47, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. About the U21/U-21, I actually used mostly the second variant but its absolutely the same for me and I used it for no real reason, so good to know about a consensus on that and I´ll use the one you recomend then. About the IP, I asked him for using edit summaries, and he seems to have ignored it, so I´ll see how things go and I´ll let you know if anything really important happends.
I also wanted to kind of ask you the following style question: I kind of use the playing possition often in the lead, something similar to this:
Juan Lopez (born 30 February 1982) is a Xonian football midfielder playing with FC X.
The thing is that I noteced that in most cases of stub articles, the only place where the playing position ends up being mentioned is the infobox, and very, very rarely in the article body. There is an option of making a separate sentence in the "Career" section but ends up not working very well, so putting it the way I do ends up being the less harmfull way. However, I am nt so sure about that, and the IP has also been massively removing "my" position mentioning from the lead secions leaving it simply as "footballer" inspead and with no further positioning mentioning in the article. What do you think about it? I am aware that that is purely a personal preference style, and that Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players doesn´t add the position the same exact way I do, however it does add the playing position in the lead secion... FkpCascais (talk) 01:13, 9 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi, this user might need a bit more attention after your recent dealings with him at Alessandro Del Piero. After a similar instance of him randomly removing information at Jenson Button with no explanation, he left me this message [25]. Thought I'd mention it since you have experience of him already. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:55, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Great work. I've spotted him a couple of times but this was the first time he'd had a pop at me. Let's see how he operates when he comes back. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:04, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Haha, I didn't realise that. Doesn't look good, I'll agree ;) Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

alex titchiner

How do I put a citation on a stat I updated? None of the Chasetown FC stats are on the internet that I am aware of, and without linking to every match report he played in, how would you quantify how to log his 1 appearance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Maurice Deville

Hi. here is the information that Maurice Deville is son of Franck Deville (also footballer and luxembourg national football team player). I'd give citation to the article but I can't do that. I don't know how have I do that. Sorry for my english. (talk) 21:47, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Football referees

I haven't a clue on if/when a football referee is notable, but an editor has been adding alot of them. Examples are Kadhum Auda and Kao Jung-Fang. Bgwhite (talk) 07:09, 9 September 2012 (UTC)


This user has 27 accounts on Wikipedia that are blocked. I keep doing the same things the introduction of false and fraudulent information. Here you have a list of all of its orders that are blocked. Greeting! --Kolega2357 (talk) 16:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

These are all of his accounts used on Wikipedia. Are no more than that. Wanted one CheckUser checks now I do not know exactly when that was. Greeting! --Kolega2357 (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

What's wrong with you this is a real football player and the other senior finished his career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milosczv2222 (talkcontribs) 17:33, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

This is a big mistake. One of the English Wikipedia administrator changes found in the famous football clubs in Germany, adding that how he played for them. Neither the Web sites anywhere in his name is not mentioned. Greeting! --Kolega2357 (talk) 18:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)


For this kind of thing is to be placed only administrators to make paper. When you make yourself every time an article is an autobiography that it was false and not correct administrators deleted the article and no one can make them apart. Greeting! --Kolega2357 (talk) 17:44, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Now moved to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Micky02car, as an earlier sockmaster, though whether the very earliest I can't say. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:03, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Ignacio Lafita

Hi there SNOWY, AL here,

AfD candidate, the black sheep of his family, his brother is wikinotable, his uncle too, his father (per this link also, but he's not!

Also, don't know why i'm reporting this still as this vandal as tons of IPs, but: the Egyptian "user"'s still on the loose, adding fake player positions to articles, screwing everything as he did in Miguel Ángel Riau (birthplace/date, position, etc) and/or adding stubs to articles that were not, as Pascal Cygan. The newest IP is this one (please see here, useless i tell you, he uses 99,999999999% of them only for a day/few hours, although he does have this one that has "served" him for more than a couple of days (here

In one thing i have to agree with the Colombian punk that's been harrassing me the last TWO YEARS. I'm a bit of a whiner, reporting, reporting and reporting vandals man, haven't i learned in six years that vandalism will never stop? Seems like i'm a bit of a bleeding heart...

Have a great week - --AL (talk) 23:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Alex Oikkonen

hi you cant be undoing things like that you just ask for verification i wasnt done with the article i would apreciate that you use the correct steps before undoing something. thanks (Rey (talk) 19:09, 11 September 2012 (UTC))

is better to put the lable needs verification because all the verificatios are in the Puerto Rico national football team just they need to be pasted there. no need to be undoing things. (Rey (talk) 19:21, 11 September 2012 (UTC))

I personally will find all the references but the only problem is that they are in Spanish. We are here to improve and learn not to be corrupted the work of another as there are many methods that can be used in wikipedia. (Rey (talk) 19:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC))

Puerto Rico national football team if you see there's the result column theres are the references as a link. but thanks for the reference need it. (Rey (talk) 19:40, 11 September 2012 (UTC))

sorry for that. (Rey (talk) 19:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)) now im looking for the references but the Puerto Rico national football team allready have it in the results column like the USA national team have it. and if you know more of the rules just help me fix it not to delete it.


I thought it courteous to inform you of this revert. What I would add to my edit summary is that while I agree that it is not right to accuse this user of being an SPA, the text is relevant in this case, in that to our knowledge the user has no experience of editing Wikipedia other than to this page. —WFCFL wishlist 12:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

By the way, I have since removed the Wikilink to SPA, as I agree that was inappropriate. —WFCFL wishlist 12:38, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


I also created one from 2005. If you want to consider moving the 2007 template, then the 2005 one should also be moved. – Michael (talk) 16:38, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Pandiani - Re-reply

Hi there mate,

regarding this TPS comment you made, please read the first part of my message to User:Struway2. It was a "freak-out reaction", uncalled for, i have the utmost respect for him and you already told him that, have already apologized to him.

"See" you later - --AL (talk) 15:42, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

  • No news yet in the Tiago André Coelho Lopes front. Does this mean the request has not been brought forth or it was but was denied? Regards - --AL (talk) 18:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Many thanks man again man! You could have forgotten it though, it would have been fine, you have other things to attend to in and out of "wiki-space", i just thought i'd remind you, keep it up - --AL (talk) 18:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Armour Ashe

I have added a source for for my edit now. No idea why I forgot it in the first place. Thanks for flagging it up. Jcarls1 (talk) 21:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Have you ever heard of WP:BOMBARDMENT?

The Charley Hull article you have created is a classic case of it. Five references for an article that lasts one sentence. BTW, at present Hull fails WP's notability guidelines for golf[26]. If Hull fails to make the cut tomorrow, your article could bomb aka end up being deleted....William 00:53, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi GiantSnowman Please help me out here. You recently edited "Terri Bonoff", deleting that part of an article in which the subject was quoted saying something. The citation was a video of her speaking the exact words that I quoted. Your rationale for deleting the quote was that it was on YouTube, saying it was a bad source. How can a video of a public official making a public speech, in which she says the words referenced herein, be a bad source? If a video of someone saying something is not sufficiently credible, how could a quote filtered through a journalist be credible?

You also deleted a statement based on a Flickr reference. The reference is a PDF of the third page of a letter sent out by the subject to delegates prior to an endorsement convention in 2008. It's an original source document - in what on line document warehouse does it need to be stored in order to be sufficiently credible for you? Please advise. Thank you! Have a great day. 04:59, 14 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LiteralTruth99 (talkcontribs)

Nyron Dyer

hi, the changes to nyron dyer were made by me (nyron dyer himself). it was not accurate itself by labelling me as a defender when i am a midfielder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:42, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

nyron dyer the stuff you have written is wrong. im getting a bit annoyed with this now as i dont even know who put this on wikipedia in the first place and i never gave no permission for anyone to do so. i am the one who has played in the games and i know what happened as facts. please put it back to what i have said because you say i shouldnt be writing about myself but who ever has written this is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:07, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Marco António Pereira Leal

AfD all over, i took the liberty of improving player status and so, it will be good for only a couple of weeks (assuming anyone will want to have a look at his article, even Portuguese people!) because the article will be eliminated, has not played in Primeira Liga or Segunda Liga.

Have a great weekend - --AL (talk) 19:01, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks a lot. I remember asking it in the past about doing it myself, to you or another admin. How does it go ("again" if it was you in the first place) please? --AL (talk) 15:47, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


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1996–1997 Football League Trophy

Can you move this article to 1996–97 Football League Trophy, over the redirect. Thanks.--EchetusXe 14:42, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh wait, there is a duplicate article there. nevermind!--EchetusXe 14:43, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Kolins - categories

Thought he had desisted in his ways but he has not, as seen in David Zurutuza, where ALL stuff linking him as a Spanish person/footballer was removed without one word, as habitual in this user (please see here and beyond). The player's father is SPANISH, that makes him that as well, especially when he has not played any game with any French national team (even if he had).

Attentively - --AL (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Well i'm baffled...last time this was discussed, it was agreed to leave both categories of the player. This case is a bit different since he's not an international, and you aptly ask: what proof do we have he's Spanish? Well i counter: and what proof does Kolins have of the opposite, and why does he continue to remove everything without one word? My logic is, "He has SPA father and FRA mother, he should have both categories").

Attentively - --AL (talk) 14:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Man, should have browsed the article to see if i could come up with some evidence before i wrote you the first part today, here it is: ref#1's title reads "«Nací en Rochefort por accidente, crecí en Deba, vivo en Hendaia y no me siento francés»", translation "«I was born in Rochefort by accident, grew up in Deba, i live in Hendaia and i DON'T FEEL french»". Proof enough? Yes, Kolins is really showing some teamwork skills... --AL (talk) 14:31, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
  • The first question in said reference (it's an interview) contains this interesting bit as well: "Se puede decir que yo soy mitad y mitad, aunque nacer en Rochefort fue más un accidente que otra cosa", translated "One can say i'm 50%-50%, even though to be born in Rochefort is an accident more than anything else". Thus, that 50%-50% stuff means that, even if we let the FRENCH FOOTBALLERS cat stay, the SPANISH FOOTBALLERS one is mandatory.

Reference #2 (Trilingual Real) also contains some info (in the same "tone") regarding Zurutuza's origins. --AL (talk) 14:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Snowman, I'm not rightly sure what to do about this. I'll leave this up to you. Drmies (talk) 02:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Reply: Allegation of Racism

Hi Giant Snowman, specifying the nationality of an editor is not racism, there are no rules that prohibits clarifying the nationality of the editor. Kindly refrain from making such allegations of racism. Presumptions will not be tolerated. FTSantos ©Bot 20:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Your comment: "This edit summary is completely inappropriate - please do not comment on an editor's nationality again. Assuming that nationality/ethnic group X cannot do Y is racist and will not be tolerated. GiantSnowman 18:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabyan17 (talkcontribs)

Egyptian vandal

Was afraid i was going to have through several edits to find a misdeed, not necessary. Per this last warning by User:Walter Görlitz in his talkpage, this guy STILL changes player positions just because (please see here, at the bottom, action needed methinks!

The original message is the very first one found in this very page. --AL (talk) 01:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


After seeing what i saw in Michel Simplício Rosseto (his Associação Naval 1º de Maio goals "upgraded" from 5 goals to 27!), i was immediately taken aback, following this user in rather detective-like fashion.

Now, it has happened again, in Rui Miguel, he scored ZERO last season but this chap thinks it's better to "give" him eight. What are your suggestions upon this report? Thanks and keep it up --AL (talk) 13:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Edwin Gyimah

What's the problem here?

"Content" in connection with your articles is kind of ironic as there rarely is any. 1. You never add the basic categories. 2. Plus you are obviously too lazy to look up a player's jersey number or add the squad template. Pathetic.

Thuglife99 (talk) 21:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Again, why do you never ever add squad templates or the player's number? Kind of odd to say the least.

Thuglife99 (talk) 22:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Re E. Gyimah, it would have taken you about 5 seconds to find that out. But then you are an administrator so you can do what you want.

Thuglife99 (talk) 21:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Haris Medunjanin

Hi there mate,

going crazy over this guy's REF#5, can't seem to get the proper display inserted. Could you please help if it's not too much inconvenience? Thanks in advance --AL (talk) 17:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

  • It looks much better thank you, but the words "HARİS MEDUNJANİN GAZİANTEPSPOR'DA&Id=3555" are still on the "too many" pile. The title should only be "Medunjanin to Gaziantespor", with the due correspondence in its original --AL (talk) 17:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Brilliant my friend, may we wiki-meet again! Thank you very much. --AL (talk) 18:13, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Personal information

Will you please be so kind to check this conversation. I apologize if I am wrong.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:34, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that another admin first did not understand my point and the probably went offline therefore I approached to you. Since this is rather sensitive issue I thought it would be wise to hide those edits asap until everything is clarified. Again, I apologize if I am wrong. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
I chose you because I noticed in recent changes that you are online admin. I supposed that this comment could be returned if editor whose personal information is revealed would not support hiding it. I wrote this comment because I noticed that this user is probably offline and can not make this request himself. If I am wrong please accept my sincere apology and forget everything I wrote.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
JHunterJ is back and replied to me. Thanks for your patience.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Club Notability Tables

I am nearing the completion of my work on the Club Notability Tables. Your views on the work to date would be appreciated - in particular any advice on the removal of any obvious gremlins. I will be creating a Miscellaneous section in the tables where Kosovo, North Cyprus etc can be considered. I also propose to move non-FIFA members such as Niue to this section. There may be issues that you do not wish to raise at the moment and I respect that you may hold back some comments to the formal consultation. Any advice on how to conduct a WP consulation would be appreciated. I am sending this communication to Number 57, GiantSnowman, Kosm1fent and Mentoz86. Kind regards League Octopus (League Octopus 13:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC))

I think that I have addressed your concerns re WP:GNG. League Octopus (League Octopus 19:15, 20 September 2012 (UTC))
Please note that I have now drawn attention to the Club Notability Tables (and Test) at WT:FOOTY. Kind regards. League Octopus (League Octopus 19:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC))

Andre Wisdom & Category:Bradford City A.F.C. players

Hello, I need an advice. :) If the footballer played only for junior (academy) club team - should the club category be used or not, what is en-wiki tradition for such cases? -- Best regards, Postoronniy-13 (talk) 21:29, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Joe Edwards (footballer)

Please, Stop saying I'm editing things wrongly, I got my information on Joe Edwards (footballer for appearances and goals via uk.soccerway. Skyblueshaun 14:58, 21 September 2012.

May I please step in on this matter regarding Joe Edwards’s stats as Snowy knows generally soccerway are more accurate than soccerbase & correct mistakes unlike Soccerbase. But Skyblueshaun you can't just presume Soccerway are correct either & you didn't provide a source when changing it or mention it in your edit summary hence Snowy was correct in reverting. Ok Soccerbase (11 Stockport 9 Bath), Soccerway (10 Stockport 10 Bath) after investigating Soccerbase are correct in saying Edwards played 11 times for Stockport. Soccerway also list the same eleven as Soccerbase as seen here in their MATCHES OF J. EDWARDS section with him playing in all eleven. However Soccerbase are incorrect about his Bath stats as he did in fact play 10 times as indicated by Soccerway. Soccerbase excluded the game against Wimbledon [27]. Therefore it's 11 Stockport 10 Bath. I'll email Soccerway to correct it they should do it soon after all they did list all 11 matches. As for Soccerbase not going to bother as they never reply or correct anymore. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 14:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I'll let you know as soon as possible nothing as yet. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
That's corrected now see here. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 10:20, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Andre Wisdom

Perhaps in about 6 years of editing I have missed something - but having played in a major European competition - the Europa League, how does this NOT constitute meeting GNG?

Zanoni (talk) 21:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

sorry - I meant that the person obviously meets notability for footballers [28] - he's clearly played in a recognised European competition at group stages. He also scored, meaning that his name was in every mainstream on and offline press piece and the article includes a link to a major international online press article - BBC website which mentions him clearly - this surely also meets GNG, meaning is notability is covered both in his professional appearance and under GNG...

Zanoni (talk) 21:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Ross Hannah

Hi there GiantSnowman, just thought I would let you know I altered the Ross Hannah article again. Hope you don't think I am being picky , it's only a small issue that concerns the link to FC Halifax Town in the info box. You removed the FC to make the short link say "Halifax Town", which is the name of the defunct football club who ceased to exist in 2008 as you probably already know. FC Halifax Town (who Hannah played for) are a completley new club and a phoenix club if you like to the former Halifax Town. It may confuse some readers to which Halifax Hannah actually played for by not stating "FC" in the box, for another example players who played for "AFC Wimbledon" don't have "Wimbledon" in their infobox as both are two seperate clubs. I know the link was still to the FC Halifax page, but feel the readers should be made aware that Hannah and any other "FC Halifax Town" players play for that club, and not "Halifax Town AFC". Kind Regads Footballgy (talk) 14:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Runner-up stuff

Once again it has happened, i proposed a simple thing was left high and dry. And it's nothing new to WP, i've seen on many many occasions voting sessions being proposed in AfD's or the articles' talkpage. My proposition resulted in TWO votes in two full days, one of them being MINE!

So, after this situation (i'm not going to even try and classify it lest i accuse someone wrongfully of something, even though i feel very sad - for lack of a better word - for this lack of response, AGAIN) i will be forced to leave Gabriel Heinze's article without the (DUE) runner-up accolades, his Copa América runner-up honours should be mentioned, but User:PeeJay2K3 does not allow it, why am going to bother?

Again, i don't want this to sound like a "holier than thou" attitude on my part, especially when you did participate in the said discussion (did not vote though), but i honestly thought that would be a good way to reach a consensus, to see what the members of the project thought loud and clear (hence the "yes" or "no" measure). Thus, i am left with pretty much the same knowledge (as most of us that's a given) or lackthereof: what do we do with the runner-up honours? I've been accused of being frivolous in my WP:FOOTY reports at least once, i don't think this is a light subject for coherence purposes, do you?

Attentively - --AL (talk) 23:37, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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James McGregor Stewart

GiantSnowman, I am quite inexperienced at editing so thank you for your note. My problem is this: I am happy the wrong page for james mcgregor Stewart is gone (the correct version has the three words capitalized) but I had added a lot of new content that is now gone with the merger. I was wondering if you could reinstate the content (that will help for notability) without undoing the merger. Any help is appreciated. Rmalhotr (talk) 19:22, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Hulk (footballer)

Have an ongoing friendly feud (for lack of a milder word this one suffices) with User:Hadi Payami in this player's article. Especially in the following: he continues to violate WP:OPENPARA even after i instructed him properly and writes the player/person's birthplace in the introduction, instead of the beginning of the storyline proper.

I am going now to engage in further conversation with me, as he did it again (putting Campina Grande, Paraíba in intro) but has "invited" to go to his talkpage for more details. Could you also go there when you can and mediate (more than mediate, telling that what he's doing is wrong)? There is also a minor stuff, i think that we write (am almost 100% sure) "25 July 1986" and not "July 25, 1986" in birthdates, am i wrong?

Attentively, happy week - --AL (talk) 23:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm a little confused.

What's the point in creating one-line stubs like Kristoffer Barmen, Jonas Grønner and Fredrik Midtsjø? I thought that the one-line BLP-stubs were the football-projects biggest challenge, and that we should try to create "decent" articles that atleast look like they meet GNG? (I'm pretty certain that you would have voted delete in an AfD for an article like Jonas Grønner.) Mentoz86 (talk) 09:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Allright, I'll try to find some "flesh" to the article :) (I believe you have voted deleted to a one-line stub with two appearances in a FPL previously, but I guess I was wrong.) Mentoz86 (talk) 09:48, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Article Talk

Have you any idea how you set up an archive for a project talk page. Want to archive Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Scotland task force.Blethering Scot 17:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

no probs just thought you may know. Blethering Scot 19:10, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


I don't know you, you could be anyone, so I am arguing against the point being made, rather than the person making the point. Saying "you are X" rather than "your point is X" was the wrong wording and gave the wrong impression on my part. Apologies and thanks for pointing out where I crossed the line. Gefetane (talk) 17:32, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Malarious

This sockpuppet investigaton might be of interest, seeing as you blocked this user recently. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 18:53, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Fuck you both, I'm not interested in what either of you think. Malarious, 17:13, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Miguel Ángel Riau

Seriously in need of help and mediation, because of this player's article. User:Eldumpo continues to revert me in this player's position even though i have thoroughly explained him the situation:, the source he uses to call him a MIDFIELDER, calls both midfielders and wingers precisely that, includes all in same category.

I told him to take a look at his link where he was referred to a LEFT WINGER, his primary position, he removed it! He continues to revert me not even allowing for the side in the position (turns "LEFT WINGER" into "MIDFIELDER"), what on earth is this? Just remember, if this turns into an edit war and i get blocked, act against BOTH parties, not just me; he also keeps accusing me of WP:OWN just because i want to get articles as accurate as possible.

Attentively - --AL (talk) 20:58, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Please check his Levante UD official profile: player position "INTERIOR IZQUIERDO". That means LEFT WINGER in Spanish OK? --AL (talk) 21:00, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
He continues to revert me, did not even give me half an hour to work on the article. Believe me, when i'm done improving article the position will read LEFT WINGER! --AL (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes you are correct, a WINGER is a MIDFIELDER, but what's wrong in specifying? It's like when you have a DEFENDER, what's wrong in saying John Terry is a centre back? And why does he remove the side?! --AL (talk) 21:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, there are two reliable sources referring to him as a midfielder. We should be following the sources. Eldumpo (talk) 21:19, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at the talkpage, i have already added several refs that refer to him as a LEFT WINGER. I don't know how to put this any clearer, but is not reliable for his position because there, WINGERS are called MIDFIELDERS for the umpteenth time. Oh, and please STOP removing the side of his position OK? Please. --AL (talk) 21:23, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
  • As i said to Eldumpo, he passes notability, has played nine matches in Segunda División. Now, please, can i have 30 minutes to improve the article with Spanish refs? I'm not saying the latter to act all like "Hey watch me go to work and freeze in time", it's only to prevent edit conflicts in the next 30 minutes, i'm really going to try and find refs to start a storyline. --AL (talk) 21:29, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Wow, only now noticed as i am searching for refs but still have another window open in Mr. Riau's article: he REMOVED the Levante official profile which i used to source his left winger position (OFFICIAL!), he says we should go with reliable sources, funny how my reliable sources are not... --AL (talk) 21:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Done, some storyline! Also, took advantage of the new refs i found and changed his position back to his real one, LEFT WINGER. Mind you, if he's called a MIDFIELDER in his FC Cartagena official profile (click on #8 if you like it's because of the same reason "contained" in the approach, in the club's page (and its roster) players are divided only as GK, DF, MF and FW.

If Eldumpo reverts me again (and please note, i did not throw his links to the garbage - 1 - BDFUTBOL is already a link and, from my message to him and also from what i state above in this page, it's useless as a REF for wingers; 2 - i relocated as a link) and i'm 99,999999999% sure he will (in the player position of course only, not the storyline, i'm not ill-intended towards him), sincerely, i'll pack it in and say "Screw this", no point in me bothering.

Attentively again (ah, and Dumpo did not use the talkpage of the article) - --AL (talk) 23:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Well i was wrong and WAS NOT wrong, i elaborate now (and i do really need your help and mediation a little bit more): i was wrong because he did not revert me, but i was not wrong because the feud (for lack of a better word) shows no sign of ceasing. Eldumpo has asked me to reinstate the sources he used to backup his midfielder position, even though i told him in detail over and over again is not a good source to show he is a midfielder because ALL midfield players are grouped as such in the site, the winger position does not exist, i have explained it to Dumpo in detail, he does not seem to understand, can't put it any easier i'm afraid, but Riau is a winger - he does seem to accept my Spanish refs for his correct position, but if i reinstated his refs the position description would be contradictory to say the least (oh and per that train of thought, does not "have" wingers as well, only GK, DF, MF and FW, hence not a reliable source as well - see Santiago Cazorla's example, a WINGER "turned into" a MIDFIELDER in this site

Your mediation is needed if only for this mate: again Eldumpo has accused me (after a similar run-in we had in Jandro (footballer)) of uncivility (or similar), you consult his talkpage regarding this subject and please tell me where did i incur in that, if i was hysterical or unpolite it was here when i said "screw this" - i am very, very frustrated with this situation of not being able to reach him, believe me - not in Dumpo's page.

Kind regards - --AL (talk) 13:39, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Francisco Júnior

Please can you undelete the Francisco Júnior article that I made, he played against Leeds yesterday. TheBigJagielka (talk) 21:09, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Jack Hall (footballer born 1885)

Hello Giantsnowman, I think you asked about him two years ago. The 'gezinskaarten' Rotterdam are online now. I think South Shields is a far more likely place of birth. [29] There is a John Edward (Jack) Hall born in Tyne Dock, 1885 in the Michael Joyce book page 104. He played league football for Barnsley 1905-08 74-14 and Preston North End 1910-1912 18-3, his two last known non-league clubs happen to be Pontypridd and South Shields where the children of the trainer were born... Cattivi (talk) 00:46, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

IP address(es)

Don't know what's happening, but yesterday i had a new IP adress, today i have another! All that without changing computers, or changing one piece of its equipment, odd to say the least.

All the more reason to (only) edit logged in, kind regards and happy week - --AL (talk) 15:58, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


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Gabriel Dessauer

If you fight for the MOS, as in Gabriel Dessauer (now on the Main page), could you please insert the place of birth from lead to body in a way that doesn't look ridiculous? (I changed it.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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Rob van Dijk

I think it will be a breeze for you, i'm a bit clueless...could you please have a look at what's wrong with this chap's STATISTICS chart, in the very end? It needs a fix.

Have a great weekend, many thanks in advance --AL (talk) 14:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Fixed what i could in that sense, added ref and updated (2 out of 3 ain't that bad as this guy used to say!). --AL (talk) 14:43, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


On my talk page, please keep conversation there.--Tznkai (talk) 16:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Removing part of Kosh's comment on WP:AN

Hi GS,

I'd generally agree that removing someone's comment is likely to blow things up even more, but in this case I think the editor has a point. We can report WHOIS results on-wiki, I believe (certianly seen it done a million times), but tying them to a specific job, based only on Kosh's previous work experience, is either very close to the OUTING line, or (imho) over it. Better safe than sorry, so I've removed it again. I'll leave Kosh a note, but I really think this one is best left removed unless there is a strong reason to restore it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

WT:FOOTY#Sweden vs Qater U23

How do you request this area for comment? This isn't getting much attention from the members of WikiProject Football. – Michael (talk) 20:50, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Stuart Hendrie

Hello. Originally I'd thought he was on loan at Studley before Walsall released him, which is how Walsall ended up in the senior section of the infobox. But as far as I can tell, it seems that they let him go early because he had Studley to go to, but I never got round to taking Walsall back out of the senior section before saving changes. Presume you'd agree it only belongs in the youth section, now we don't need it in the senior to hang a Studley loan onto? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

put it back

reverted your AN refactor -- it made it look like BSZ was replying to me instead of Hu12 Nobody Ent 11:29, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

The way I look at it, I made two comments, one in reply to Dirk and one on the original thread -- I typed ~~~~ twice, so I don't think it's confusing that BSZ's comment follows my first one. Nobody Ent 11:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Ack! Sorry. Missed that -- sometimes I have trouble counting to four -- just added the signature. Thanks for the catch. Nobody Ent 12:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Sam Ahmed

Sam Ahmed Actor (talk · contribs) is at it again. I don't understand how he's editing even though you blocked him yesterday, but he's clearly here just to play around. Needs that indef you promised. Deor (talk) 14:29, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Deor (talk) 15:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

BTinternet changes with AWB

Hey, I've removed all the ambiguous season and competition urls from article space. The only ones left in article space are now .btinternet/CLUBNAME urls. The links are listed here and only require the substitution of .info into the url for the I'd do it myself but I do not yet have AWB, but it's something I've been meaning to get for some time. Delsion23 (talk) 14:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Good idea, there's never a greater time than the present! :D Cheers for the offer of help Delsion23 (talk) 14:54, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Added my name to the request list. Are you able to approve it as an admin? I have well over the 500 edits required. Cheers. Delsion23 (talk) 14:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


hi there, I just noticed the mistake was in the article text, which was the basis of the name of the article. I have corrected it now, thanks for pointing that out. Gryffindor (talk) 06:18, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

OFC FIFA World Cup qualifying

Don't you want me to improve the OFC articles then because they need to be tidied up. Mr Hall of England (talk) 10:28, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


Not seen anything, although Duck is a bit better at the transfer thing than me. They could well be in the youth setup more given their age, Kieran Millar also hasn't made an appearance this season.Blethering Scot 17:29, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

On another note, would you mind if i add some of your recent articles that fall under the taskforce to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Scotland task force/New articles. Trying to keep it up to date.Blethering Scot 17:46, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
I really dont mind adding them at all just like to check first.Blethering Scot 17:50, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Hey Snowy, looks like Jivanda could have possibly been released although without being announced but I'll do a proper check tomorrow & see if I can find anything. As for Watson he's definitely still at the club he played in pre-season see here & played in a number of under-20 games this season [30][31] & he's listed here. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 23:38, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Couldn't find anything on Jivanda so contacted the club directly & got a swift response. Apparently he wasn't a player he was a community coach but he did leave at the end of last season. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 07:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


Hi there SNOWY, hope all's fine with you, in and out of wikispace!

Send this guy a message due to a difference of opinions in Álvaro Negredo (see intro), thought not much of his removal in intro (see edit history if you're interested). However, after seeing what i saw in Raúl Albiol, have no doubt in my mind we are dealing with a lowlife vandal: 1 - Albiol is not going to play for a club in South Korea; 2 - Albiol is not Álvaro Arbeloa's brother (please see here!

This list of contributions from an IP also seem to be focusing on Albiol and Arbeloa (see here, don't know about Arbeloa but they (they? Carleonel bet my life on it) totally destroyed Albiol's article with this address (as with the account!).

Attentively, keep it up - --AL (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

  • In a related note (Spanish footballer, the comparisons stop there), does this look like a stub to you? It sure did to the previous editor... --AL (talk) 23:09, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Okeydokey ;) --AL (talk) 14:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Vic Snell in South Africa

I have compiled my information on Vic Snell's (and many other player's) career in South Africa from South African Soccer Monthly. Snell did NOT play for Port Elizabeth City in 1963. That is quite simply false! (I wonder what the source may be.) He arrived in 1964 to take up a position as player-assistant coach, in time for P.E.C.'s DEBUT season in the NFL. Despite his advancing years, he also appeared for the club in 1965 and 1966, according to team sheets published in said magazine.

Sincerely O.E. Jenssen, Oslo, Norway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Brian Sparrow Page

Hi I will add in citations as much as possible but some of the content are not in public press, and I personally know those by having worked with him, if it is OK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:07, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

juventus edit

i only remove it from player's article who didnt play a single match with juventus first team --Juventus21 (talk) 14:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Yamoudou Camara

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Duly noted. Thanks for the heads up. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:57, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

The idiosyncrasies of the sortname template

Hello. Just in case you ever have the misfortune of having to do another one, this adjustment doesn't work. You either have to put the actual target as the 3rd parameter, leaving the sortkey as the 4th, as {{sortname|Eddie|O'Hara|Eddie O'Hara (footballer born 1927)|Ohara, Eddie}}, or leave the 3rd parameter blank, and put the dab= bit after the sortkey parameter, which is what I've done for consistency, as {{sortname|Eddie|O'Hara||Ohara, Eddie|dab=footballer born 1927}}. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


Hi there mate,

per this discussion (see here, i have added my input (albeit a very late one), hopefully it was of help. Happiest of weeks, keep it up - --AL (talk) 20:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Resilient Barnstar Hires.png The Resilient Barnstar
For not being a dick about striking your comment at Automatic Strikeout's RFA. Far too many other editors would have been unable to drop the stick and we'd have had yet another ANI thread that contained more content than most articles. Yunshui  12:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to echo this barnstar. You stopped this in its tracks by doing the right thing. WormTT(talk) 12:35, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Please let it go

I'll revert the ANI close, if you wish, but please just let it go. It's not worth the drama. Nobody Ent 12:32, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Mucking with Changing the title. I really don't think it's necessary -- you're a long standing admin whose body of work stands for itself -- don't really recall you pooching anything up before today, so I'm finding the whole thing a bit baffling. Nobody Ent 12:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I hate it when folks change topic headers after the fact cause then it messes up the edit summaries, but I will if you feel strongly about it.Nobody Ent 12:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

"it might not have been the most-constructive comment"

I think that you are still processing your discussion at RfA and at ANI, and that future discussions will be more fruitful. I did not ban you from my talk page, and you were welcome to respond to my comments made in the edit summary.

WTT's reverted statement is worth considering. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:39, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

St James' Park

You might want to wave some of your magic wiki-dust on that. It's been moved without discussion and I don't know if a simple revert will undo any collateral damage. User has been advised. Leaky Caldron 13:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Well you know what I think of the WP:CONLIMITED, but I only ever wanted to change the infobox, not move the article! ;) Anyway, in view of recent events it's a non-issue. Leaky Caldron 13:24, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
As a Sunderland supporter I can poke fun at it. Certainly wouldn't want to be walking about with a big blue Wonga on me shirt and then there is the potential issue with the Muslim players not being able to lend their name to Usury. Leaky Caldron 13:34, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if they had considered the Muslim issue before doing the deal. They are the most notable players. Ba, Cisse etc. Could certainly be an issue for any future such signings. Seems that just when Ashley was rising from the ashes he has managed to annoy large sections of supporters again! Leaky Caldron 13:52, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


Hey, Did you notice the other edits this IP did? Widr (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, this was also there in the middle: [32],so I reverted to the last clear version by the bot. Widr (talk) 17:40, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Afd question

There's a user on my talk page who has asked me to overturn an Afd that I closed (which you participated in). He provided a link that confirms the player played in an AFC Cup match. Could you take a look at User_talk:Mark_Arsten#Omar_Al_Soma and tell me what you think? Mark Arsten (talk) 19:57, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


I received your message and i just wanted to ask, if i post that line marking him a sockpuppet of kunoxtxa, will he get banned? Because he is back using another screen name. I added this new name to the page. FYI his new name is Qajik Ninetoyadome (talk) 22:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for taking the time to participate in my RfA. I hope that I will be able to improve based on the feedback I received and become a better editor. AutomaticStrikeout 03:35, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Dwayne Kerr for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Dwayne Kerr is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dwayne Kerr until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. ReformedArsenal (talk) 14:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of List of family relations in American football for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of family relations in American football is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of family relations in American football (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. --Bejnar (talk) 19:11, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I am just notifying everyone who participated in the previous Afd, no matter how minor, excepting robots. I don't want anyone to feel left out. Also, from my point of view, the fact that the article has not improved since the last Afd is pretty good evidence that it cannot. --Bejnar (talk) 19:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Jack Scott (footballer born 1905)

I take your point regarding Featherstone Rovers, but he played soccer for Pilkington's. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Erick Mombaerts

Hello GiantSnowman,

Erick Mombaerts has been sacked today.

Read this article :

Thank you for your understanding. Axou (talk) 21:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Tayfur Bingöl

The player has been in a fully pro league in turkish 3rd division for 31 matches. Turkish 3rd division is a fully professional league. Why are you considering this article in a deletion policy?

Francisco Lesmes

You have shown his date of birth as 6 November 1922. This biography and Spanish wikipedia give it as 4 March 1924. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. bdfutbol seems to be the only source that gives 6 November 1922. As far as I can see, every other source says 4 March 1924; IMHO, we should go with the majority and his biography. It's your decision. ;) -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 08:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
  • However, the article as we stand reads 24 March not 4. Is it a typo you made Snowman or was it deliberate? I think we should go with the EL NORTE DE CASTILLA reference (4 March), it's a newspaper with ties to Real Valladolid, which was his main club. I'll ask User:Mega60 nonetheless, he's THE BEST in Spanish football database. Cheerio! --AL (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Your edit has been saved

You have to read all the discussion at VPT to see why there is no gadget to turn this off but you can add this code .postedit { display: none;} to your css page to deactivate it (or at least that's what the discussion says). NtheP (talk) 10:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if you're still watching VPT, but /common.css is for all skins; /monobook.css, /vector.css, etc. are for changes that you only want to affect that particular skin. Since most of us stick with one skin most of the time, it shouldn't matter which one, but I recommend /common.css so things are already there and ready if/when people transition to another skin. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 11:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
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(Very)Red links

I need your assistance here man, if you can. This anon user (please see here continues to do the following: in players that still have no article he writes the person's FULL NAME even when where there are no similar names to confuse and/or be ambiguous. Example S.C. Beira-Mar's Rui Rêgo, one can leave his name like this, with or without the red link waiting for someone to create the article if they want, but he goes and writes RUI MANUEL CASTANHEIRA RÊGO, totally unnecessary in my view when RUI RÊGO would be the logical name for a future article.

He has done that with several IPs so i imagine his range is pretty big, don't know if he has not responded to my messages because he does not care (out of his spirit or because he did not like my approach, as we all know not the best at all times, can't remember what i wrote him verbatim, it was one or two years ago, i'm SURE i did not use any strong words but that's what i can recall) or did not read them because he changes IP every day. Could you try and reach out with this IP i show you in the second line of this message? It's active as we speak.

Attentively again, keep it up and thanks in advance - --AL (talk) 14:46, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

  • I have sent him another message, as this IP proceeds. If he chooses to ignore me, i give up (give up talking not reverting, unless you order me otherwise). --AL (talk) 14:54, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
  • He continues at it with THIS IP, so chances are he saw the messages but does not care. I'm through talking like i told you before :( --AL (talk) 20:07, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

GS, just in case I did not make my sentiments perfectly clear, I sincerely appreciate your having volunteered to do a substantial rewrite of List of family relations in American football. Having written from scratch lengthy list articles (or rewritten the original work of others), I have some idea of how much time and effort can be involved. If I can help in any way, or you would like to assign a discrete number of the families to be sourced by me, please feel free to ask and I will gladly help. Properly structured and sourced, the article could be an interesting addition to our CFB/NFL football articles—well-viewed and its Wikipedia notability clearly established with no new AfDs in its future.

While I do believe that it is a borderline trivia list, I also strongly suspect that reliable sources do exist to establish the subject's notability to the reasonable satisfaction of the usual cast of sports project editors at AfD. If the subject's notability had been adequately established by sources in the article after the first AfD, it probably would not have been renominated and I would never have had the opportunity to raise the BLP sourcing issues. We have too many of these defective articles on Wikipedia which are created by editors who are inexperienced and unfamiliar with our policies and guidelines for notability, content and sourcing. What is even more unfortunate are those experienced editors who are familiar with the policies and guidelines, fight tooth and nail to keep such defective articles at AfD, and then never lift a finger to fix those articles' shockingly obvious problems or otherwise improve them in any way. Among some of the old-line editors there remains resistance to footnoting our articles. Given my graduate school research and legal work background, sourcing and footnoting is just standard operating procedure to me. Jimmy Wales has been quoted on several occasions to the effect that common knowledge, such as Christmas Day is December 25th, does not need to be sourced, but pretty much everything else should be. I tend to agree with Jimmy on this point.

Thanks again for your efforts. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:19, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Jessica Biel

can you take that off my talk page? the conversation is closed, me and the other user stopped edit warring about it last night. a consensus has already been reached. Lady Lotus (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Coppa Italia Lega Pro

I see your edit on the 2012-13 edition and now I will add the reference but before I would ask if it as some notability problem because you added that template too. Stigni (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I have added the official website and pair of link to articles, so I think I'm ok with sources, next week when I have more time I will update it and more reference, but for now I think is ok. Stigni (talk) 21:24, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


I'm currently writing an article on a former non-league footballer who now meets WP:NFOOTBALL having played for a club in a fully professionally league. Anyway I found a large amount of references about him playing for a number of others clubs but the years are quite sketchy. I've now found a detailed LinkedIn profile which clarifies a number of issues, now I know we're not to use self published sources but per WP:SELFPUBLISH there are certain grounds under which you can use it but I'm still uncertain what I can & can't use the source for. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:34, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

The player is Zephaniah Thomas, here's the LinkedIn profile, now what's in the profile & which I don't have sources for are the year he started at Rotherham e.g. 2006, his timespan at Harrogate Town Football Club and loan to Harrogate Railway & stats although I have a reference for his Rossington Main stats. The reason I was going to use his LinkedIn was because this ref contradicts this ref. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
I went ahead and created that article, was quite difficult working out club years but eventual got there. Didn't really expect a 22 year old to have 10 clubs (11 if you include Rotherham) when starting out. If you find something about his time at Montegnée let me know not really worried about the stats anymore never going to get them all after all the non league teams he played for, the timespan was the most important. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 12:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, was a bit of pain but worked out well. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 13:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Francisco Lesmes - Closure

Well, Mega messaged me early today, saying that he talked with someone that works with the website, and that person has the birth certificate from the player, which reads 4 MARCH 1924.

Case closed, happy week to you mate - --AL (talk) 14:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, but I have copied this thread and the earlier one to the article talk page. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Fernando Silva (footballer born 1977) / User:Kolins

Hi there my friend, kickstarting another week are we?

1 - is this guy notable? Never played in higher than Tercera División, but is an international for Andorra. If i had to answer i'd say YES due to the former, but i'm not 100% sure.

2 - in another proof he just does not listen, this user continues to add FACEBOOK/TWITTER profiles in footballers' articles even though it's not deemed encyclopedical.

Keep it up - --AL (talk) 21:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Kolins continues doing so, in Javier Patiño, obviously no words and no nothing. I reverted him. I also left him a message to which we will not respond of course (probably will also revert me!), and i think another WP:FOOTY discussion about the usefulness of these ext.links (with all these sites with stats and official web/newspapers releases out there to source stuff up, who needs FBOOK and TWITTERS?) could come in handy, this is getting out of hand (not that he listened when he dealt with the nationality categories issue!)

Attentively - --AL (talk) 22:43, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Josu Urrutia

Added some refs to article, took the liberty of removing tags. I if was wrong please revert me in the latter department. Cheers - --AL (talk) 13:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

RFA - Thanks

I have no intention of opening up conversations on RFA, that way is whats caused it to be such a toxic place. The badgering of oppose/support voters. Thanks for shutting it down. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Personally I would have all threaded conversations forcibly moved to the talk page... but I dont think I will ever see that one fly ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Only in death (talkcontribs) 16:32, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Creating redirects of redlinked subjects

Hello- I noticed that you converted a redlink for Sam Williams (basketball coach) to a redirect to Texas–Pan American Broncs men's basketball. Please do not convert these to redirects - just leave it red. People like me use redlinks as a signal that an article needs to be created. At Wikiproject:College basketball, we use these redlinks to measure how complete templates, etc. are. By converting the redlink, it leaves the impression that a article exists, so people like me skip over it and move onto something else. If I hadn't placed Williams in the death list (with the intent to create the article in the next few days), I would never have known that article needed to be created. This is true of anyone on the death list - people browse this to determine what articles to create quite frequently. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 17:10, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

No worries, I assumed there was no ill intent. NCAA Division I football and men's basketball coaches generally have assumed notability as those sports enjoy extensive media coverage in the US. I would actually argue that none of those redlinks should be converted from the death list. The process is that redlinks are deleted from the list after 30 days anyway, so there is a process that scrubs the list. But that's either here nor there I suppose. Cheers. Rikster2 (talk) 17:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sally Season

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sally Season. Viriditas (talk) 07:53, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Joe Mbu

Mbu was born in Cameroon see here & here. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 15:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Would avoid using birthplaces from stat sites, also he has represent Scotland Juniors another words players picked from the SJFA leagues to represent Scotland not a youth team. Not sure if that warrants a Scottish flag. see here ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 15:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
The SFL say his nationality is Cameroonian here. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:05, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Jean-Philippe Sabo

Thanks for that mate, I knew what I wrote didn't flow properly but couldn't think of anything better! Much appreciated :) Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 17:29, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Hugh Hay

Well he was my Grandfather, so... yeah... there's your citation for the information I added. :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eoined (talkcontribs) 21:17, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

The leg break was already in a ref the Aberdeen one[33]. Sure more refs will appear over next few days that might fill out more for the other points.Blethering Scot 22:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
No but it's a pov of a source. Needed to be made neutral but essentially the source backs a non pov version of the claim. Blethering Scot 08:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Manolis Roubakis

Could you explain why you merged the two paragraphs of the lead into one in this edit and now it doesn't make sense? Cheers. Kosm1fent 08:14, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

No worries. Cheers. Kosm1fent 08:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism and history of Vandalism

GiantSnowman, it is a long time since we last spoke but just wanted to know why you have came to your decision that my edit on the articles have been considered as vandalism?. The revision of information in the Melissa Satta article is not accusing Melissa Satta of being a gold digger and being unacceptable in my honest opinion, it is what is announced in sources provided so according to the rules and regulation of Wikipedia that is the information that should be used not false information that somebody close to Melissa Satta has written down in the article previously. One source that is used to source most of the information in the article is broken. All what I have done is reviewed the article, researched the information and written the exact facts that is written in sources provided. Wikipedia is about accurate and correct information after all, and that is all I intended on doing. As far as I'am aware of, It is not against Wikipedia's policy to add a notable persons relationship history, and not just 2 out of 10 of their previous relationships. – MarkMysoe (talk) 11:21, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

First, repeated use of 'pursued' has a highly negative connotation in English. It implies 'targeting' someone deliberately. Which is unlikely to be supported by the sources. The language is completely unacceptable. Quite apart from not being remotely neutral, its potentially actionable as you have accused one party of ruining the career of another in Wikipedia's voice! And thats just the first paragraph! Then there is the reliability of some of the sources. I am not sure under what circumstances you consider your additions acceptable but at the moment it falls foul of: NPOV, UNDUE, BLP, RS... and probably quite a few others. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:21, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Wikighost1

Thanks for creating that category. I actually had to do so real life work and forgot about it. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 12:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


I have made a complaint/request in Biography of living persons Noticeboard, regarding A.Raja I haven't got any reply after since i posted on 17:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC). I reproduce here for your reference, please read it. A. Raja (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

In biography of A.Raja, the section "2G Spectrum scandal" & "the Box" contains potentially libellous, such material is repeatedly inserted, it violates the BLP policies,

  • It's written in news style; of first-hand news reports on breaking stories; INCLUDED routine news reporting on things; breaking news are emphasized; these sources lead to overdetailed articles that look like a diary.
  • not all verifiable events are suitable for inclusion; Timely news subjects not suitable and therefore "is significantly NOT enough to be included in the biography of a person". Overall the sources and sentences are 'negative in tone', ' they appear to have been created to disparage the subject' & Materials clearly not added in good faith.

Editors The Discoverer & Anbu121 are repetadly inserting the materials, even after mentioning the violation of rules


There is s seperate "2G spectrum section" , but still, the informations inserted are in excess than actual Biography, to Malign the person. Keep an eye on the Editors & Please give protection status to this article.

I request & please you to take immediate action, your early reply will be gratefull. Thistorian (talk) 14:45, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Gabriel Heinze

Speaking of the (red) devil, thanks for the WP:FOOTY input, i was bold and reinstated the runner-up honours, but also duly notified User:PeeJay2K3 of my actions.

My message to you is about another thing in the article, however. Aren't those references a bit disfigured? I thought the URL/TITLE/PUBLISHER (or NEWSPAPER)/LANGUAGE (if needed)/DATE/ACCESSDATE fields sufficed, why overelaborate and write, for example, "BBC" followed by "BRITISH BROADCASTING CORPORATION"?

Keep it up mate, all the best and happy weekend - --AL (talk) 17:28, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Notable players

Scary... the page being blank. Are Gaël Etock, Alberto Coelho and Michael Pinto notable? I was going thru my CSD log and noticed the Speedy was removed by the article's creator. I should have catched that sooner. It appears they don't qualify. Bgwhite (talk) 07:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

AfD - Last time

Hi there SNOWY, AL "here",

the message you sent me showing me all the steps to "AfD" an article is now in the archives, i think it would be less tiring to ask you again to please send me that link. Don't worry, i'll try and "store" it in a safe place now.

In the meantime, could you prod this article? I have also dropped a line at WP:FOOTY about the club. As i say in the title of this message, last time i bother you with this, then i'll always keep the proper steps at hand.

Thanks man, happy week - --AL (talk) 19:46, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Just added the tag, but i see that you and another user have also contributed there. Did i do everything right? I am not sure man. Also User:League Octopus does not seem to be aware that reaching this or that round in the domestic cup does not confer notability. --AL (talk) 16:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi there again. Mem Martins Sport Clube is a very interesting one and well worth taking to AfD but at the moment it has not been moved from PROD to AfD status. I am intrigued by the comments made by AL above regarding "reaching this or that round in the domestic cup does not confer notability".
On another matter can you have a look at some of the recent contributions of User:Da Desirer 2 that I am a bit concerned about.
My Laptop broke down a while ago and my contributions lately have been limited - but hope to buy a new Laptop on Saturday! Cheers. League Octopus (League Octopus 17:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC))

Article Restoration

Hi,around late June you removed my article on Thomas Eisfeld due to the fact that he was yet to make his professional debut,now that he has (today) done so please could you put my article back up,Thanks Goner 16 (talk) 21:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)goner_16

I've a quick Q re' creating pages in your field of expertise. Could you drop me a line? snoman [at] — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Darren McCauley

Hi, you recently deleted Darren McCauley after its PROD expired. SeanMack (talk · contribs) left me this message on my TP and I'm wondering if it'd be possible for you to restore the article to his userspace so he can do some more work on it? Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 22:31, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Football unsourced BLPs

I went through these and I think I got all the ones that were already tagged with BLP PROD or PROD. Thanks for your help. Gigs (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Title Page ID Namespace Size (bytes) Last change Groups Namespace name
Doug Rougvie 8527426 0 5222 20121022133742 2 (Article)
Hristo Nikolov – Choko 18838356 0 1142 20121014043004 2 (Article)
Leandro Ângelo Martins 20500442 0 3439 20121016033148 2 (Article)
Maksim Khramtsov 23878711 0 1638 20121027180624 2 (Article)
Aleksei Alemanov 23968275 0 2003 20121025213344 2 (Article)
Denzil Franco 24629396 0 2612 20121022213556 2 (Article)
Dhanachandra Singh 25219456 0 2180 20121022141941 2 (Article)
Milan Stojanović (Yugoslavian footballer) 31513925 0 1408 20121101004415 2 (Article)
Juan Pablo Passaglia 36398693 0 2724 20121022150602 2 (Article)
Heorhiy Buschan 36460714 0 2510 20121028204420 2 (Article)
Rok Zorko 36561931 0 3665 20120827232842 2 (Article)
Apichad Thaveechalermdit 36639108 0 2913 20121023102529 2 (Article)
Nipon Malanont 36639123 0 1328 20121023103028 2 (Article)
Bence Ludánszki 36639697 0 2925 20121101125144 2 (Article)
Márk Szécsi 36639999 0 2690 20120827065739 2 (Article)
Luka Marino Odak 36640227 0 1728 20121022150618 2 (Article)
Marius Willsch 36640295 0 1482 20121022150618 2 (Article)
Dimitris Popovic 36710797 0 1803 20121022150627 2 (Article)
Danko Opančina 36715121 0 2550 20121101013338 2 (Article)
Milan Vukašinović 36715259 0 4146 20121101013338 2 (Article)
Pablo Olivera 36732730 0 2386 20121016205916 2 (Article)
Charles Rodriguez 36780590 0 2037 20121022150632 2 (Article)
Jericho Shinde 36842103 0 4934 20120828073128 2 (Article)
Joaquín Marín 36850968 0 2215 20121030205441 2 (Article)
Raúl de Tomás 36851143 0 3069 20121022150639 2 (Article)
Zhivko Petkov 36862826 0 2351 20121022153023 2 (Article)
Toni Stoichkov 36908198 0 2240 20121014044108 2 (Article)
Yulian Nenov 36934132 0 1585 20121014044217 2 (Article)
Thitipan Puangchan 36935672 0 1753 20121019142050 2 (Article)
Park Jeong-Min 36952659 0 1558 20121022150653 2 (Article)
José Antonio Ríos 36971476 0 2136 20121022150655 2 (Article)
Carlos Alberto Madeo 37061100 0 1456 20121016064044 2 (Article)
Martin Šrámek 37266680 0 1903 20121028112157 2 (Article)
Riccardo Tantardini 37274319 0 1926 20121024194207 2 (Article)
Siwakorn Jakkuprasat 37442982 0 1896 20121101110953 2 (Article)


This is one I created for the big effort, but seeing as so many of those above are "sourced" in some sense, I think this is appropriate:

The Mistagged BLP Cleanup Barnstar
Content-citation-barnstar-small.gif This barnstar does not cite any references or sources.[1][2][3]
For your willingness to go through the Footballer BLPs tagged as unsourced, thanks!

Gigs (talk) 19:41, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion


Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute in which you may have been involved. Content disputes can hold up article development, therefore we request your participation in the discussion to help find a resolution. The thread is "WT:FOOTY". Thank you! EarwigBot operator / talk 02:44, 2 November 2012 (UTC)


What happened to my automatic talkpage archive if you have any idea man? It used to be quite regular in its "appearances", now my main page is crowded with hundreds of messages...

Regards and happy one - --AL (talk) 12:52, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

History Merge

Can all admins do History merge's. User:Johnelwaq removed all content from Chris Hegarty before turning into a disam and then created a new article Chris Hegarty (Scottish footballer), all whilst a simple page move would of moved history but clearly not done. All this was done after he created Chris Hegarty (Northern Irish footballer) which i dont think meets our guidelines anyway but leaving that one.Blethering Scot 19:10, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Marlon Campbell

Could you take a look at this article. It was deleted before via AfD, but was recently created by an extremely shady editor. I'm going to start seeing if other editors agree the editor should be banned for all the problems they cause. I'm sure there will be 100-150 editors who will agree. :) Bgwhite (talk) 06:22, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'm giving you a hard time. I've bothered you too many times about footballers. So, I thought I'd bother with one you created. Bgwhite (talk) 23:05, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Armin Hodžić

The Prod was removed with "Let's give a chance to source this first." so I sent it to AfD. I'm having problems with the relatively new editor who removed the prod as he is going around removing prods for no real reasons. Bgwhite (talk) 09:17, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Disruptive edits on MMA pages

User:Mtking is adding notability tags to many pages, blanking some pages without discussion and added a very long tag to List of UFC events (if you can, see the last two or three pages of his contributions). He has been making a mess in WP:MMA since months ago, but due to the lack of WP:NPOV from both sides, i'm requesting aid. Can you help, please? Poison Whiskey (talk) 12:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll try it later. Thanks! Poison Whiskey (talk) 12:10, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


As an uninvolved party could you deal with this editor who is awarding barnstars in an attempt to canvass in relation to an edit request. I know he is in violation of WP:CANVAS but I'm unsure if there is some sort of policy regarding handing out barnstars frivolously, edits probably need reverting. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 15:11, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok thanks, thought they would have brought in a rule on the barnstar front given that an IP was giving one to everyone a few months ago & it was considered a big problem. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:30, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah it went to ANI but can't remember the outcome. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:43, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Maltese Third Division 2012-13

Hi there. I think that this PROD should be going to AfD. The editor would be better off adding material to Maltese Third Division in my opinion and we should be encouraging a re-direct. Kind regards League Octopus (League Octopus 15:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC))

Thanks for the feedback.
Have now got my new computer + 27 inch monitor + my old 19 inch monitor. Wikipedia work is going to be rather different! League Octopus (League Octopus 21:26, 5 November 2012 (UTC))

Franco Foda

Do you really want me adding 322 sources (minutes away from being 323)? There is no issue with the stats since the dates are sourced. Kingjeff (talk) 20:59, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Why would they need to be sourced to a single website? The dates were sourced. All I really need to find is the statistics/match reports. At that point WP:CALC can be applied. Kingjeff (talk) 21:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry. I found a way around the 300+ sources. Kingjeff (talk) 21:22, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Guidelines & Criteria

GiantSnowman appears to delete articles before actually looking at the criteria. Gregoryat (talk) 20:36, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

You can start by re-reading this, WP:GNP and WP:Football. Gregoryat (talk) 21:00, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Please look at the policies again. WP:GNG, I don't think you are grasping the subject matter. Gregoryat (talk) 20:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I will go over the policies line by line to help the "blind" editors understand the policies. Gregoryat (talk) 20:18, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Juventus players

Your nomination said "this is a category for youth players for a football club, but consensus at WT:FOOTY holds that such categories are obsolete as all eligible players should be included in the more general Category:Juventus F.C. players instead" - which I took to mean that youth players should be included in the parent category, which is a merger request not a delete request. If, as you later said in reply to BHG, they are already in the parent category, then merger and deletion will have the same effect, but a merger has the benefit of ensuring that none of the youth players presently in the category are left without a Juventus player category. If there had been just a couple of players in the category, I would have checked myself but as there were more than 80, I was going to let the bot do what was necessary. If the player is already in the parent category, the bot will just remove the youth team category and that will be it. Hope this makes sense. BencherliteTalk 12:19, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

No problem. BencherliteTalk 12:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Ah, now I've not seen / heard of that before. I thought that the bot didn't add duplicate categories. I'll ask the bot op. BencherliteTalk 12:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
User talk:Cyde#Cydebot repeating a category on a CFD merger. BencherliteTalk 12:38, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


I removed the Wikify template as it is deprecated and has been for several months now. The Wikify tag has been placed there due to a lack of internal links, and the Dead End tag already alerts editors to this fact. I admit that I should have mentioned this in the edit summary however. (talk) 13:21, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


Cheers for sorting that out, God knows what happened there. I think that might have put paid to me ever getting the bit back if I wanted it haha. Thanks again, BigDom (talk) 19:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


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For keeping calm in face of constant antagonism from a user who fails to understand or chooses not to understand policies. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:34, 8 November 2012 (UTC) & MusstMike

The two above editors seem to be warring, MusstMike seems to be a single purpose account to revert the IP (very strange), he also failed to warn the IP or provide a reason for reverting. Can you investigate. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that, while we're at it User: made a second legal threat see here. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:08, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know not sure there's anything I can add to the SPI, but if I spot anything else I'll make sure to comment. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 14:43, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I made a request at WP:RPP in regards to James McClean some time ago & it still hasn't been processed (good thing it wasn't urgent), could you make a decision one way or the other. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:54, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Nevermind decision was made six months protection & as for the SPI investigation good result quite a number sock puppets blocked. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Adrian Avrămia

He has recently made his debut in the romanian Liga I, which is a fully professional league. I thought that meets GNG. Katz191 (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Place of birth

Hi. Only that fr.wp says "né le 10 septembre 1909 à Sète (Languedoc-Roussillon)." - seems a little bit too specific to be invented? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:30, 11 November 2012 (UTC)


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Aleksandar Simov plays for FK Radnički Niš which is a team in the professional league of Serbian SuperLiga which means the subject is presumed notable per WP:NFOOTBALL. Why is it being stated that the subject fails WP:NFOOTBALL? -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 01:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

MOS: Sports season format

GS, I hope this solution to the recent MOS sports season dust-up will satisfy you and your fellow WP:Football contributors: diff. Nice to see sports editors across sports, countries and continents can agree on something! Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Tommy Rudkin

Hope this is the correct place to put this! As you can probably see I'm a newbie at this. The Tommy Rudkin update is from The official History of Peterborough United book (ISBN 978-0957112230) but is not currently online to quote. Will also soon to be added to [3] Hope that helps! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superposh (talkcontribs) 15:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Edits by to the TommyBoy RFA

Vandalism yes, but I don't think they merited the use of RevDel. — Hex (❝?!❞)

re:masis voskanyan

Hi, hasn't updated a recently played friendly match stats of Armenia vs Lithuania, Masis had appeared in that game, that's why I did not provide any sources.

No, various football related websites hasn't updated their info so far. Anyways, do you really think there's a valuable point to provide sources when updating caps and/or goals? Regards.

Fred Bedford

Hello. I see that the List of Bradford City A.F.C. players with fewer than 50 league appearances article was created by you. Do you have a copy of the Frost book, and does it give any further info about Bedford? Are they even the same player? Cheers, U+003F? 13:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Groovy, thanks. U+003F? 13:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


Thanks. I like to be careful about things - he could have had a December birth date for all I knew. --Dweller (talk) 16:50, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Good point. He should be in my copy of Canary Citizens - I'll check when I get a mo. --Dweller (talk) 17:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

You have mail

cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:42, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Jamie Lawrence

Hi GiantSnowman - my citation (re: Jamie Lawrence) is that I'm currently the press officer of Carshalton Athletic and have been since the start of the 2011/12 season. There isn't a link to any articles I can put up, but the fact is true and couldn't be disputed by anyone. I'd like to repost as I'm trying to update all of CAFC's current history on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shondells (talkcontribs) 12:33, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Pedro Barbosa

Hi there SNOWY,

please report to the WP:FOOTY "briefing" that has the same title as this player's name and see what you can make of it please. Tricky (by the way, just the first part, make nothing of the Marc Batta observations)...

Kind regards, happy weekend - --AL (talk) 12:36, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Just finished cleaning up Batta's article, if i did anything wrong (POV/WEASEL or grammar) please accept my apologies and remove/compose whatever necessary. Speaking of Batta still, please go to Barbosa's WP:FOOTY report and see the "treat" i left there regarding Batta, i know this is not a football forum so again i would have to say i did not "go by the book", but it does not harm either, and it's a bit shocking in my view. --AL (talk) 16:31, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Eduardo Malasquez

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I have watched Eduardo Malasquez play back in the day and he was not 1.87 m!!... He was only about 1.80 m comparing him to pictures with other players with verified heights... Here it's a picture of him from 1981 with Franco Navarro who is about 1.81 m... Let me know if I can update to his accurate height. Passat25 (talk) 00:07, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

James McClean

Thanks for the responses, I'll add it in a bit. Which piece by BBC were you referring to? ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:02, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I added the section not much different to what I sent you but it's well referenced. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Omar Hernández García

Hi there SNOWY, AL "here",

i have AfD'ed this article. However, i am almost 100% sure there is still something incomplete in what i do, like inserting the reason for the article needing to be deleted, i just can't see where do i write it in the template.

Have a great week - --AL (talk) 17:01, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Silly me, have never read past STEP I... If i have doubts still i'll ask your help if you don't mind. --AL (talk) 17:19, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Have tried my best but i feel it's still rather incomplete. Plus, i have been taken aback by a situation occurred at User:Marcospace's talk, was trying to help, misquoted User:Walter Görlitz and was immediately heavily criticized by him ("insulted" would be a harsh unfair word) for NOTHING. Feeling rather sad right now (no friends in real life, still have time for virtual enemies...), could you please take care of the rest (if needed) in Omar Hernández García please?

Thanks - --AL (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for 'QBEX' content to be placed back in sandbox?

Dear GiantSnowman. (cool name). A page that a group have been editing was deleted while being edited. I'd like the content to be placed back into my sandbox, please so that we can make improvements and see the content. Is this something that you can do? Gurnard (talk) 18:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. It almost seems so long ago that we cannot remember what was written, which is why we'd like to see it again. We don't have other copies therefore I cannot comment how we'd improve it at this stage so we'll have to see (it). Does the fact that the AfC submission was declined mean you cannot or will not put the material back into my sandbox? Regards. Gurnard (talk) 19:21, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for responding and letting us access the material again. It's like seeing a long lost person who was taken away. I see the page is now in my User page, so am grateful to you for doing this. To allow us to decide what to do next should I move the content to my sandbox myself? I don't want it to be the subject of another possible deletion until we have had the opportunity to decide what to do next? I have the opportunity to follow the advice right at the bottom of the page where it says "Warning: This page should probably be located at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/QBEX (move)." Should I do this? Gurnard (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying this. I think we have a lot of work to get on with and can now do so. Ta. Gurnard (talk) 20:04, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

the title says it all. SIX YEARS i think was a good run, but i don't feel productive anymore and "in high wiki-spirits" so to speak. More at WP:FOOTY if you wish to read.

All the best for you in and out of wikispace, kind(est) regards from Portugal my friend (while i was here i can honestly say i considered you one) - --AL (talk) 14:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Could you delete all my contributions and salt my page (or at least one of the two) please? I removed my name manually from the WP:FOOTY members list, don't know if it was the correct way to do it.

  • Final decision made, please proceed to the page deletion. However my friend, i will "never say never" (don't want to be a more negative person than what i am already) and i just might return someday, but even if i do, this here will be a year(s)-long wikibreak. Hope to find the likes of you, Struway, User:Drmies, etc, still around if that possibility (my return) comes to fruition ;)

Here's looking at you! --AL (talk) 19:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:India squad 2012 AFC Challenge Cup

I added the squad no.s per the reference Arsenalkid gave me. The thing is they're not number 1–23 so I had to use the club format. Is this ok or is there a way to use the national method without using consecutive numbers. Also you removed the captain parameter, since when do we not include the captain parameter in national templates all of them seem to have them. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 13:40, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll leave it to you to raise the issue if you don't mind, I'm not a 100% so I'm trying to limit my input till I feel better. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 13:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


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Close this duplicate

Hi. Can you please close this duplicate ticket? Thank you.--Free ottoman (talk) 11:32, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for ignoring what the administrator told us yesterday, speaking it on talk page, and find a consensus. Where is the consensus?--Free ottoman (talk) 11:36, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
I am waiting his proposal on talk page. Will he ever come to find a consensus or apply new tickets on administrators board?--Free ottoman (talk) 11:41, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

My Brother Eddie White

I edited my brothers page in an attempt of making it better, I forgot my user name and password as it was some time since I was last on Wikipedia, some how I was able to log in to Wikipedia I'm sure it was assisted by yourselves, I need your help to achieve these goals. (talk) 21:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Tom White

Your page Mátyás Korányi

Hi GS, came across the Mátyás Korányi page, unreferenced and possible BLP(?!) I searched at RSSSF, National-Football-Teams and using both names given at the page and came up with nothing. I'm sure you created the article from some kind of source, but the page is lacking this information, so it will be useful to have it added to the article. Thanks, Cloudz679 09:19, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I have added the appropriate template to the talk page. Cloudz679 10:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

NK Kolpa to AfD please.

NK Kolpa Podzemelj played in the third tier in 2004-06 and last 16 of Slovenia Cup in 1998/99 (source RSSSF). It should therefore be taken to AfD. I think as a matter of course any club that has been PRODDED but has played in a national cup and/or "Grey Area" in NTEST should be moved to AfD. Kind regards. League Octopus (League Octopus 10:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC))

I would prefer Cloudz to take it to AfD if possible as I am not promoting deletion. I think Cloudz missed this one. League Octopus (League Octopus 13:09, 26 November 2012 (UTC))
I didn't miss it, I just felt your removal of the PROD tag was adequate in this case and therefore didn't pursue it. FWIW I will not be taking part in the deletion discussion if it goes ahead. Cloudz679 13:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Iker Gabaraín

Hi there my friend,

i know i will return, my life is pretty much a miserable one (no work, hardly any social life, etc), and i liked it here more than i disliked.

First things first: could you please move this page so that the last name of this player does not have an accent (GABARAIN)? It's incorrect as it stands.

Attentively - --AL (talk) 18:07, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Bjorn Kristensen

29/11/12 update: Reversed the reversal and added a link from Silkeborg's homepage which provides documentation on practically all of the information I added earlier. I don't really like the start of the "Career" section, but have no better ideas at the moment. It could certainly use an adjustment. Record at U17-U21 level could easily be added based on one of the links already provided in the references section. Malta1978 (talk) 08:49, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure what more I can do regarding Bjorn Kristensen. Here's his entry from my database of Maltese footballers: Bjorn Kristensen/Bjørn Kristensen (05/04/1993) – U15 and U17 International, Full A International Clubs: Hibernians product, Odder GIF, Silkeborg (Denmark) 02/03: Gary Neville Soccer School – was in Manchester with others from the GNSS 06/07: Paola Hibernians U14 – outfield player 07/08: Paola Hibernians U14 – U15 International (as M or A) 08/09: Hessel Gods Football School (Grenå) 08/09: Odder GIF Junior ?/1+, 1 MotM award 1 yellow card 09/10: Silkeborg U17 M(L/R/C), Shirt #12(1) – U17 International (as M) 10/11: Hibernians U19 10/11: Hibernians M/AM 6(11)/2, 2 yellow cards, 2*sub not used, Shirt #11(2) - U19 International (Captain, scored in a 2-1 win over Scotland), U21 International (as M), MFA Best Youth Player 2nd place 11/12: Everton (on trial in February) 11/12: Hibernians DMC(primary position)/M 31/?, DM/ML for Malta, Shirt #14(1)/#15(1) – U21 International (as MC/A), Net Replay Young Star Player Award 12/13: Werder Bremen (on trial in August 2012) 12/13: Hibernians M – U21 International (as M) Special: NT debut 29/02/12 at home vs. Liechtenstein (2-1), POB: Pietà, 184/71 (2009), 181/74 (2010), Maltese mother, Danish father, Favourite Players: Andrew Cohen, Xavi Hernandez, Favourite Clubs: Barcelona, Manchester United, Favourite Shirt Number: 10, has coaching ambitions according to an interview, Hibernians debut 17/10/10 vs. Marsaxlokk (2-2), 49/3 for Hibernians by August 2012

(skills removed)

I know what I know about his stay in Denmark in no small part thanks to communications with a Silkeborg Nursery Coach at the time, Jesper Stüker.

"-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Martin Nielsen [34] Sendt: 26. oktober 2009 09:51 Til: Jesper Stüker Emne: Re: SV: Bjørn/Bjorn Kristensen"

How do we go about adding it correctly? (talk) 20:50, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Malta1978 (talk) 08:41, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Some clarifications

Hi GiantSnowman. I am not going to rehash the arguments at BLPN. But I went there in good faith and I got into an argument with another editor. At closing a few reverts happened due to a disagreement with the closing comments etc. Fair enough. But then you came to my talkpage with the following comments which indicate to me that I must clarify some points for you so you can get a better picture regarding my actions: Dr K, please stop changing the closing comments from the thread at BLPN. Your name should be mentioned as you have (rightly) been admonished - if you disagree with that then you should have tried harded to reach an agreement at the article talk page before going to a noticeboard which as now WP:BOOMERANGed on you. Niteshift36 accepts it, why can't you?. Let me address these one by one: 1. Your name should be mentioned as you have (rightly) been admonished Admonished for trying to defend myself? I guess next time I must roll over and play dead, otherwise my name will be abused at the closing. 2. if you disagree with that then you should have tried harded to reach an agreement at the article talk page before going to a noticeboard which as now WP:BOOMERANGed on you. I did not "try harder to reach an agreement at the talkpage" because a. It is standard practice for me to first go to BLPN to consult with the regulars there and get more exposure instead of confining the discussion at the article talkpage. and b. The reverting admin at the article told me to do so in their edit summary: Revision as of 07:01, 26 November 2012 Dougweller (take this to BLPN if you disagree, but I don't see this as a primary source, - and you say attack, I say critical). Also I don't go to BLPN to win, just to get advice. How can getting advice "Boomerang on me"? I actually had accepted the verdict early on in my reply to Dougweller when I told him he can have his edit. Don't you think this "Boomerang" remark of yours was unfair under the circumstances? 4. You told me: Dr K, please stop changing the closing comments from the thread at BLPN. and asked me: Niteshift36 accepts it, why can't you? I had already accepted his last edit because I did not try to revert him. Isn't that proof enough for you? Where is the AGF on your part? I have been many times at BLPN in the past with no problems. This time it went ridiculously bad. But in any case I wanted to clarify these issues with you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 20:51, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Artur Irawan

Article created for the THIRD TIME, non-notable as can be (has played - if he has! - only in Segunda División B so far), really can't understand these people... --AL (talk) 21:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Nice catch, would not notice the ommission in a million years...It was ARTHUR Irawan previously ;) --AL (talk) 21:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

F.C. Partizani New York

Hello, just letting you know I removed the prod from the above article as it has previously been proposed for deletion. Thank you. Rotten regard (talk) 21:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Jordan Jivanda

Hello the information on Jordan Jivanda was removed as it was completely inaccurate. He has never played for Hamilton Academical FC despite an erroneous press report indicating he had. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:45, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks like Jivanda's phantom appearance is another of those where there was a mistake in the team sheet reported on the PA feed, so all the live-text services and stats sites reproduced the mistake. Any match report in a real source written by someone actually at the game, like the club concerned or the relevant local papers, have Ziggy Gordon and not Jivanda. The Accies match report explicitly mentions Gordon coming into the side, and their 2011/12 apps/goals list gives him 11 matches, one more than Soccerbase et al. PA generally correct themselves by the end of the season, so the Sky Sports annual tends to get it right, but the stats sites tend not to bother with corrections. Hope you don't mind my interfering. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:36, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I haven't got the current Sky Sports annual. Simon nelson has, if you need one. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

License to shoot (i meant unsalt!)

You can unblock (for lack of a better term) my userpage mate if you see fit (i assume you do),

certainties: 1 - will edit much less now; 2 (related to #1 i guess) - will have much less items on my watchlist, if any; 3 - will NEVER MORE feed the trolls; 4 - will not mediate in situations with vandals that i see are being already taken care of (that Colombian punk - the Quique Flores run-in - is lurking i know it, and maybe even with me "staying put" he'll come back to annoy me).

Also decided to re-open the count because i'm a bit annoyed with several of the edits i made as anon in the past days, many of which carried the message after my summary "Possible BLP issue or vandalism", when all i did was (example) add/take some spacings in infobox.

I think it's also best i don't return as a WP:FOOTY member and participate in the discussions, i'll edit mainly on soccer (same thing thus!). If i ever fail to meet community consensus because i have not seen the threads at the project page, all people have to do is warn i'm making an error, i'll STOP.

Last but not least i'll also be engaging in less "messaging" to others (don't want to annoy and don't want to GET ANNOYED - i've been scolded or worse in the past, some merited some not, i want to avoid BOTH), will only do it when it's 200% necessary. But don't fret, you (and several others i know who they are, they too i assume) can come to my "door" anytime you want, you'll find a "wiki-brother" opening it wide for you! Attentively - --AL (talk) 00:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Don't want to break the news to anyone but you because to be honest i feel a little ashamed (can't find a better verb right now) at my behaviour, a bit "primadonnish" one might say so: "I'm going to leave" then nothing, "I'm really going to leave guys" then nothing again, just shut up already Vasco :) The folk will now i've return, only for good reasons i hope!

  • First day, first nuisance! 2nd time a user destroys my carefully written storyline in João Carlos Pereira, full of wikilinks (yes, it did not have any refs previously, but neither did it have after what the other guy did), removing ALL wikilinks and you name it. Tiring....

Of course, i am not going to engage in conversation with this person only to be insulted and/or lose my temper and be ill-tempered in turn - this guy has a dynamic IP it seems, but even if he didn't... --AL (talk) 17:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

  • If you notice closely yes he did so, but replaced it with unref'd stuff of his own ("...with C.D. Nacional, he won against Sporting Clube de Portugal and F.C. Porto..." or "...obtained the record of points for the club in the Top League." - for a team (Ermis Aradippou) that nearly got relegated that's hardly an achievement), been there done that, some folks try to write storylines to make their subject of preference look like a regular Lionel Messi/Alex Ferguson, at least the wikilinks contained season info, the version of the other guy contained nothing. Sorry for bothering and for "jumping the vandalism train". --AL (talk) 18:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

St Anthony's FC

Dear GiantSnowman, My name is Alastair Hay and I am the club historian at St Anthony's FC in Glasgow. I have recently been editing the Wikipedia entry for the club bit by bit. All my work is the result of meticulous research and the salient points are published on my antshistory website which I do not regard as a "fan website".

As a result of your recent changes virtually the entire page has been erased, unjustifiably, in my opinion.

Willie Gibson did indeed play for St Anthony's FC, prior to moving to Ayr United and then Newcastle United, but it is almost impossible to provide citations for players in the non-league sphere almost a hundred years ago. Antshistory (talk) 16:14, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

GiantSnowman, I do my research in the National Library of Scotland, using their newspaper archives mainly, but also the occasional football reference book. I would point out, however, that Junior football has been the subject of very little research in the past and the type of citations you require rarely exist in this field - much of what I do is breaking new ground. If the references to my website are against the rules, then by all means remove them. In each case, however, they refer to a page which supplies the reader with expanded versions of information which I condensed on the Wikipedia page. As I am the the first person for 79 years to research the history of St Anthony's FC, and the only one currently doing so, it does seem counter-productive if my official position renders me ineligible to contribute to a history which has been largely lost or forgotten over the years. Antshistory (talk) 17:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
GiantSnowman, While the player info you have posted on the page is accurate, most of these players were usually Celtic Reserves who only played for the first team for a short period (Lynch was a regular). So, while well-meaning, you have effectively deleted many really famous international players and replaced them with some fairly ordinary ones! If you want to delete all references to my website, fine, but please revert the site to an earlier version with some decent info on it. Antshistory (talk) 19:36, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Do you think this website is a reliable source, an IP added it to Gary Hooper's article when making an addition of an personal life section. Given the article is a GA, I thought it best to make sure. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 23:51, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Matty removed the IP's addition as he felt it was trivial, I more or less agree was going to trim but was waiting for your response. Good to know when it can or can't be used so thanks. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 09:35, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Mátyás Korányi

Hi there ! I've looked in the Dictionnaire (page 44), but there are few informations. He indeed played for Olympique Lillois from 1937 to 1939, and was also called Kronenberger. He also played for Szeged before coming to France. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 13:58, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


"Interesting" fellow,

created José Luis Gayá, it was deleted because it was not notable, what did he do this week the player is still non-notable? Create it again! I have tried to converse with this person in the past, did not like some of the replies i got (could be that due to his difficulty in English some misunderstanding was created, i'll give him that), and also talked with him about this particular case, you can see the success i had...

He did something similar with Salva Ruiz, new article also. So, he 1 - does not understand that a player connected with (in this case) Valencia CF Mestalla and that appears in the Copa del Rey against an amateur team (in this case UE Llagostera) does not confer notability 2 - understands and does not care.

You do what you think is best in terms of interaction with this user, i give up. Cheers --AL (talk) 03:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Good to see you around :)

Saw you at the RfA :) Always good to see you around. Hope everything is fine? Best. Wifione Message 13:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi there fellow,

it was suggested in the past (by User:Struway2 i think) that the reason my talkpage did not proceed to archive my messages anymore was because i changed my account name. Is it a "resolvable" situation? If so, can you please lend a hand man?

I think the page is showing nearly 200 messages now, a bit too much... Thanks in advance! --AL (talk) 15:41, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Archive manually? How do i go about doing that? Or do you mean "archive manually" as in "remove"? --AL (talk) 17:18, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Roger ;) --AL (talk) 17:43, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Here you go

whup. Ironholds (talk) 16:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


Found this piece of news while watching the front page of my country's main search engine (news are 99,9999999999999% about soccer - that's what's considered headlines by some "journalists" in my country), shocked beyond words (please see here, only surprise is why is this not happening every week...

Share with the people at WP:FOOTY if you want mate. In the news' comments area, you wouldn't believe what i read: some of my countrymen saying "What did the linesman do to provoke the kids?", "The kids should be awarded a medal", whilst making fun of this poor guy's fate by saying some Portuguese referees should go and suffer the same punishment. Yeah, yeah, soccer unites people, it's a party, the beautiful game...bullshit!

Keep up the great work - --AL (talk) 23:26, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Asteras Nikaias F.C.

Hi GS. I looked at Asteras Nikaias F.C., looks like it could be a case of G2 speedy delete as a test page. If not I will PROD it, clearly not a football team though. Thanks for your input. Cloudz679 14:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the effort, feels like I am looking for diamonds in the dirt with all these unassessed footy articles, although sometimes it is just dirt! Cloudz679 14:26, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

National categories

Hi there SNOWY, AL "here",

thought this situation was resolved after the run-in with User:Monegasque (i remember several people weighed in including yourself and the consensus was reached), i see IT'S NOT. Please have a look at this message i sent to User:Valenciano (see here, seems he's doing the same (remove the main category SPANISH FOOTBALLERS, leave the subcategory ANDALUSIAN FOOTBALLERS). Sigh...

Attentively --AL (talk) 15:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Speaking of cats, a possible AFD candidate i leave to your consideration: ROMANI FOOTBALLERS (referring to those of gypsy origins), i think that's stretching the bar too high - for example José Antonio Reyes already has SPANISH ROMANI PEOPLE, methinks that suffices - but that's just my opinion. --AL (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
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Johan Frederik Classen

I reverted your edits on details of birth and death before I discovered you were an administrator. I have always been in the habit of providing the date and place of birth in biographies and don't understand why you object. But it's great that you take the trouble to look at articles like this one. Hope to keep in touch. --Ipigott (talk) 22:37, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

For me, the fact that you are an administrator is important as I constantly need to revert edits from newcomers who have insufficient experience of Wikipedia practice. If an administrator changes something, then there is usually a good reason. Thanks too for drawing my attention to WP:OPENPARA which I remember looking at years ago. As far as I can see, though, this summarizes information about biographies that ought to be included in the lead, not what should not be included. I see others have been in doubt about the practice too (see for example here). I started to include place info myself a year or two ago when I found that other experienced editors were doing so on a regular basis. Particularly when reading or writing articles on people from the non-English-speaking countries, I for one find it interesting to have this info from the very start, rather than having to look for it in the body of the article or in the persondata list. If you really consider it to be a hard and fast rule, then I will need to go back over dozens of biographies I have created or edited as they nearly all include date and place of birth and death in the lead in cases where the info was available. In many cases, my articles simply reproduce the information from other language versions of Wikipedia where the info is often presented in the same way. Recent cases include Jonas Jonasson, Giuseppe Franchi, Grazioso Rusca, Giacomo Moraglia, Martin Knoller, Ferdinando Albertolli, Giuseppe Zanoia, Rodolfo Vantini and the particularly pertinent case of Leopoldo Pollack (see also Italian version it:Leopoldo Pollack). Many of them are fairly short articles. As the information is often important (as in the case of Pollack), removal from the beginning of the lead would mean that it would have to be introduced in the body of the article with something like: "Born in Vienna, Austria,..." and ending the article with an additional sentence such as "Pollack died in Milan in 1806." I would very much appreciate having your views on this. --Ipigott (talk) 10:38, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

You are absolutely right on the GAs and FAs. So I've learnt my lesson and I'll certainly refrain from repeating the same error in future. It would perhaps help if the "rule" were to be specifically included on OPENPARA. Pity no one brought the problem to my attention earlier. But that may be because I haven't had many biolgraphies displayed as DYKs. Thanks for your two recent edits and for your help and patience. --Ipigott (talk) 11:44, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Opening paragraph edit

How about like this?: "Birth and death places should be mentioned in the body if known, and in the lead if they are relevant to the person's notability—though should not be within the opening brackets." --Musdan77 (talk) 01:16, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


Are you allowed block for 3RR violations when your involved as I'm preparing a report. Secondly is it full protection that should be requested in case of content dispute rather then semi protection. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:14, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it just when making an automated request for page protection content dispute is only an option under full protection. If the IP is blocked some admins will be reluctant to protect the page as the violating party is blocked. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:25, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok, Thanks. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Tough, tough indeed...

Hi there SNOWY, AL here,

1 - remember the UK user we (you to be more precise) warned about inserting full names in football squads ("full names" as in "inserting full name instead of COMMON name" in a RED link). It was done here (

Well, see what he cares, he's at it again, with this address (please see here

2 - in an unrelated note, i think it's VERY LIKELY that this IP address (see here is that Colombian punk that's been on my case for almost two years now. Both that address and the last that came to my userpage to insult me hail from the same place, DISTRITO ESPECIAL in Bogotá. I also think this because several of his other IPs contained edits similar to his new address; all in all, there is a real possibility of finding this out is there not?

Attentively my man, happy week - --AL (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

The Bet Butler Stadium

I was under the impression that it was consensus that we don't use sponsored names yet the above stadium has been moved a number of times lately by the same user for sponsorship reasons. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:14, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm terrible at reverting page moves. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:21, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: [Ramos]

I can add references to show the statistics are correct, that was my mistake missing that off. However how is the table format wrong? The table is for use with player statisitcs, and since the player can only be involved in League, 1 native cup and continental cup I used the 'NY' type. --Dave logic (talk) 16:24, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


Done as you suggested, just don't know if it was posted in the correct place (please see here Will this trigger another vicious attack by the punk?

I could not care less to be honest, but i could at the same time, hence me trying to block him in case it's him. I can't be bothered because i really don't care if he lives or dies, simple as that. I DO CARE however because i want to be here having fun (or trying to, i admit i fail miserably at times) and this "person" is really making my blood boil.

Please help me if i have done anything incorrectly, cheerio! --AL (talk) 02:57, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Icelandic football

I encourage you to learn to use KSÍ's official website, as I have encountered countless edits you've deleted that are easily referenced by someone who knows how to use the website. It's counterproductive to delete easily sourced material. If you don't know any Icelandic, please consider getting someone who knows Icelandic to take over in your task. I apologize for not knowing how to sign my comment. -Leifurf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leifurf (talkcontribs) 14:58, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I recommend reading this little bit on common sense. I think the wording could've stood on Hannes Þór Halldórsson, as per this, and I believe that the current wording is a ridiculous way of saying he has played in every match so far. Do you disagree that the current wording is unfortunate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leifurf (talkcontribs) 16:41, 11 December 2012 (UTC) P.P.S. I am sorry if my words seem rude, as that was not my intention, but my vocabulary isn't that extensive, as English is very much a second language to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leifurf (talkcontribs) 16:45, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, it is regrettable that you think that's good wording. I cannot in any way agree with you, and regret sincerely that you see over Icelandic football. However, as I said, English isn't my first language, and maybe this simply is a good way to state that a footballer has played in every match. To my eyes it seems silly in the extreme, but I guess that's the difference between Icelandic and English. Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leifurf (talkcontribs) 16:53, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

SPI wrap-up / Suggestion

1 - thanks for your help regarding the subject. Thus, with your reply in mind (99,999999% certainty), what do you think are my options? I also apologize for using a grim reference (death) in a site which we all want to be positive an gregarious, but seeing that list of contributions really brought back a lot of (sad) memories, this guy is completely out of his mind. What also/again strikes me tremendously is that several of his anon IPs (mind you i have seen several, in fact my run-in at Quique Flores started with one of those, this one, Flores' page has at least this other address, which was even BLOCKED as you can see) contain summaries and seem to be very positive overall, not consistent AT ALL with vandal/troll behaviour;

2 - per a WP:FOOTY discussion we had, found out that there are the following Spanish footballers named NACHO: Nacho (footballer born 1990), José Ignacio Fernández Palacios, Ignacio Pérez Santamaría and Ignacio Fernández Rodríguez. What is best, leave them as they are or name them all NACHO with the respective year of birth to differentiate?

Kind regards as always - --AL (talk) 16:25, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Which is more correct/do you prefer: " a Spanish retired footballer..." or " a retired (or former) Spanish footballer..."? Thanks! --AL (talk) 22:06, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

K. Sedghi

Hi. K. Sedghi was one of the notable fighter pilots in the Iran-Iraq war. Like Joe Foss, Muhammad Mahmood Alam, Mohommed Rayyan, Saiful Azam and Giora Epstein he was a ace fighter pilot and has a notability like the mentioned pilots. Besides he has a record of shooting-downs four fighters in one single operation. Diako Zandi 08:40, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Tom Cooper(author)

Tom Cooper is an author. Isn't it enough for notability?!!!!!!!!!! Diako Zandi 08:40, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Hassan Sedghi

About the article Hassan Sedghi you're right. It doesn't have any notability and should be deleted. Diako Zandi 08:40, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


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ok thank you i did that .

Ok thank you i mentioned my point at the talk page , and i really just misunderstood your point when you said if its referenced it should have been included and if not it shouldn't anyway i got now .. and yes i see your point about some of the records but not all of them.

hope you tell me what do you think about my point also there . thank you again .

Adnan 21:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Bizarre to say the least

Remember that run-in i had in João Carlos Pereira's page with his agent/publicist? He's at it again and was warned by another user, with me adding a piece of my mind to this bedlam (please see here

Basically i repeat here what i said in the anon user's talk page and Luk3's: Mr.Pereira's agent/publicist does not want any other manager to be mentioned in the manager's page, even though his confusing situation at Servette FC with João Resende Alves is well referenced (last time we conversed about this yes, it was not), with ALVES starting the season, being replaced by PEREIRA who was later replaced by...ALVES! Well, Mr. Pereira's "guardian" is having none of that, he removes it, refs and all! I repeat also what i told in the message to this guy: i imagine with his train of thought that Lionel Messi's page, that must be miles long, does not contain one word about any other manager and player (not even Gerd Müller!), only MESSI, MESSI, MESSI! Baffling...

Attentively - --AL (talk) 15:04, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Karoly Sandor

Hi, and thank you for your message.

Here are two links where you can see Sandor listed as a Right Winger:

I've seen footage of Sandor playing and he definitely was a right winger, very short and crafty with the ball.

All the best! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baron Zbimg (talkcontribs) 16:22, 16 December 2012 (UTC)


Would you have a word with this editor, I couldn't find an appropriate warning template. A serious failure of WP:BEFORE see here, it may avoid similar nominations. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 06:24, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

It certainly was, thank you. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 09:10, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PortlandOregon97217 (talkcontribs) 09:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok

And thank you for droning on further. I am now thoroughly ammused by your power trip, Way to over assert yourself. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 09:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC) I am just amused by the system. Why does someone have to come to someone else and tell them to do something. Then the person comes to me. Why the process? It's the Internet. It's not like sending a repo man to do the dirty work in real life. Theres no danger. And you can tell that person to not be afraid to take the initiative. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 09:33, 17 December 2012 (UTC) In regards to someone complaining about my referring that non notable article to the garbage bin. Why did they have to have you come and parade over and post on my talk page? I thought wikipedia was all do it yourself type stuff. I understand how people like to glorify and drag out the small things in life that they are good at. So kudos to you for finding your niche! PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 09:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok. I'll see what I can do. Oh, and I am absolutely flabbergasted that you didn't cite some obscure policy. Or perhaps the US constitution even. Regards PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 10:06, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Mark Redshaw

Was wondering how to proceed, really. The two AfDs (AfD#1, AfD#2) and this WT:FOOTY discussion clearly show Mr Redshaw to have been the long-term victim of hype and/or fantasy both on and off Wikipedia, and hence the dangers of relying on nothing but stats databases and sources not independent of the subject. He does appear to have made one genuine appearance in the Greek second tier for Ethnikos Piraeus, which makes him technically notable, more's the pity. But RS independent both of the subject and of each other show he never played league football for Ethnikos Achna or Real Murcia Imperial, made only one appearance for Ethnikos Piraeus, and scored only 4 league goals from (probably) 9 league appearances for Stirling Lions. I also can't find any independent RS to show him ever at Triestina, though he might have been, or at LA Galaxy.

Would you recommend starting the article again from scratch, only including what can be genuinely verified? or just removing the stats and leaving the clubs, despite the fact that his being at several of the clubs can't be verified other than from the sources that published the incorrect stats?

For examples: the Cyprus FA confirm no Redshaw played for Ethnikos Achna in the 2008/09 season; BDfutbol confirms no Redshaw appeared for Murcia B (= Imperial) in 2009/10, and in the WT:FOOTY discussion linked above, I pointed out that at the time, there was no Redshaw in the B team's squad list on Real Murcia's website. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:57, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

And here's one I prepared earlier. Talking of sources, you may not have noticed this. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:23, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Johor Darul Takzim FC

Don't know how many times this club's name has been changed in only some weeks, so it could be something fishy is "afoot". What is your opinion?

Speaking of that Malaysian ballclub, vandalism continues in Daniel Güiza. Cheers. --AL (talk) 16:29, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Arbcom case

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#SchuminWeb and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

Thanks, I've included you as a participant because you were one of those who are listed as having brought on the RfC, but if you want to beg off I won't object. Mangoe (talk) 17:41, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm hoping we can get through this without having to repeat every word of the RfC and that most of the evidence to be presented can be read there. Mangoe (talk) 17:57, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


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SNOWMAN almighty, a question:

i was right to remove this piece of info wasn't i (please see here YouTube is not reliable correct? I ask you because i have had a run-in with the guy who inserted it, User:Omgosh30 (he did not like one word i used in a summary which had nothing to do with him, then proceeded to IGNORE me everytime i talked with him, even when requesting help!).

If you think i should not have removed altogether or it needs some composition, i will comply. Thanks in advance, cheers --AL (talk) 17:11, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Please mate, read first paragraph carefully: why talk to a PERSON that will not reply, had enough of that, that's why i reached out to you. For now, i'll take your "personally do not like YouTube" approach and leave it removed. I don't think it adds much to his FOOTBALLER page the fact he speaks more than one language. --AL (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Talk about your failures in communication man...I have tried to reach out to him in the past, he IGNORED me (i mean stuff like me asking "could you help me with this statistics table in John Aloisi" and he saying "talk to the hand" - not literally of course, that means ZERO words in feedback), why should it be any different now? Tell you what, if he reinstates that YouTube bit i'll leave it be (only composing it a bit if needs be) and "get out of the way".

Thanks for your assistance as always - --AL (talk) 19:10, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

  • A bit tired of the (possible) aggravation, have reinstated the PERSONAL section with minor composition. If another user (such as yourself, who opposes to that "approach") chooses to remove it, i'll certainly back it up. Regards --AL (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Your edits at Wikipedia Incident

I have reverted your edit merging the sections on this page. These two incidents are not necesarily related. I definitely happen to a common denominator in both cases but resent the complaint against me being lumped in with with a pure and obvious vandalism case. I see no reason why the two should be combined. A one-edit IP account created solely for pushing a POV, posting an unauthorized indef on my talk page (probably a joke) is clearly vandalism. Please do not confuse this with alleged vandalism reported by another hostile user. Thank you. (talk) 17:45, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Actually, DieSwartzPunkt is a common link in both cases too, as I prove in my post in that discussion. Because of this, I've rejoined the two threads. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the revert. It made me look a little deeper into what has transpired, along with the editwar history I have compiled on my talk page[35], and it makes much more sense now. (talk) 02:45, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Roberto de Sousa Rezende - Help

Can you please lend a hand in this chap's STATISTICS chart? The 2005 season was spent in SÉRIE B not A, hence it needs to be squeezed in there. Funny how before my cleanup, one of the seasons with Guarani Futebol Clube was spent in the...LEAGUE OF IRELAND!

Attentively, thank you very much in advance --AL (talk) 16:17, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

  • A bit puzzled that it never contained those tags in years and now, after the significant improvement in refs, it does, but you're the boss man... still regarding Sousa, this is absolutely mind-blowing, have a look at Template:Brazil Squad 2005 FIFA U-20 World Cup, i've looked left, right and in the depths of hell, can't figure out what's missing to make his name display in bold in his article :( --AL (talk) 16:27, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
  • From what i can see, the template showing in his page and the template proper have NOTHING in common, maybe it needs a merge. --AL (talk) 16:31, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Iván Alonso - Help

Hi there SNOWY, assistance needed,

in this player's article, something "dangerous": one guy keeps claiming Alonso has not retired, merely recuperating, and proceeds to remove all words (and refs!) that refer to his heart condition. He provides, as habitual here in WP, ZERO words in summary.

Now, to add insult to injury it seems, he also removed stuff that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Alonso's situation, the two EXPATRIATE FOOTBALLERS categories. I thought the person had a static IP, turns out it can be the other way around, he's used two in the article thus far.

For now, Alonso IS retired, if he comes back it's another story and we'll duly add it to his article. Thank you very much with whatever you can provide, if we don't "see" each other again, happy Christmas to you and yours, all the best from Portugal - --AL (talk) 00:58, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Apparently, the same user (too many similarities) wrote the same thing (with no source!) in the player's Spanish WP entry. --AL (talk) 01:01, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

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Le gach dea-ghui i gcomhair na nollag agus na h-ath bhliana! "With Best Wishes for Christmas and the New Year!" ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 01:10, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
I was hoping nobody noticed the missing s oh well, good idea with the professionalism article. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 10:14, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


So I think miss Sue Rangall over at could use a talking to on the same grounds that you spoke to me about regarding lazy afd nominations. Regards. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 07:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello again. I've been having a problem with an editor over at Fedor's page. The issue is explained on the talk page where I outline my argument for his loss to Dan Henderson being a KO. And as you can see the Delinquent fella seems to just be having at the article without citing anything. He has just flat out undid my edits which provides a plethora of evidence to support my claim. Yes I think we did have a little edit war or whatever. But that was before I caught on to the way things work around here so I posted on the articles talk page trying to talk about it. I'm not sure what to do now besides just undoing his edits or adding mine back which seems futile at this point. Any advice would be swell. thanks. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
I do thank you for giving me a kickstart around here. i swear the policies go so deep. I was wondering what action can be taken against a permanently blocked user in regards to their afd nomination/votes, if any? Thanks and merry xmas PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 00:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

George Chaplin

I have expanded this article to add in his international career. It's a pity the SFA website no longer has URLs for the player profiles, so you need to search via the dropdown menu. The profile ends with a cryptic mention of brothers; Joyce lists two other players named Chaplin who were born in Dundee and played for Dundee F.C.: one is Jack Chaplin (1882–1951) and the other is Alex Chaplin (1892–1986) who went on to play over 250 games for Fulham. Do you think we can assume that the three are brothers? -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 14:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply - could you email the SFA. Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 15:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Google's often quicker. Season's greetings, Struway2 (talk) 16:07, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of world club champions in association football

Rather serious incident at the above AfD discussion a WP:SPA God Football (talk · contribs) started the deletion discussion which was latter fixed by Mentoz. But the issue is the same user voted in the deletion discussion here tying to make it appear as a vote from an IP but was actually from him. The bot added his signature here & he remove it here, deceptive act of manipulating consensus. It gets worse another WP:SPA likely a sockpuppet of the above account also voted Soccer historian (talk · contribs). Normally these cases lead to indefinite blocks (but I'll leave you to investigate & take appropriate action) but where does the AfD stand? Should it be speedy closed, I've notified the creator of the article of this conversation. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:27, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah i'll take it to SPI, might take me a while, long time since I did one. I'll send you the link in a bit. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Here's the link. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 18:29, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


Can match programmes be used as a source. And if so what cite should be used. Blethering Scot 16:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

BLP unsourced vs no inline citations

Hello. I notice your recent changes to a couple of articles where I moved the tag to the top, and you replaced it with BLP sources and no footnotes tags. I agree with this. I have started a discussion about what should be done to stop widespread misuse of the BLP unsourced tag, it can be found here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons#BLP unsourced tag. Thanks. -- Patchy1 20:27, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Explain your actions

You reverted KW now 3 times, and you blocked him. Why should you not be blocked immediately for edit warring and administrative misconduct? Gimmetoo (talk) 18:28, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Not an answer. Why should you not be blocked? You don't make a controversial block and then say you're leaving in a few minutes. [36] Gimmetoo (talk) 18:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
You appear to have engaged in edit warring and disruption, followed by administrative misconduct. "Multiple" admins closed it? Yeah, it looks like 2, including you. Perhaps if you had not been edit warring, another admin would have supported KW? Now, why should you not be blocked? Gimmetoo (talk) 18:44, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes, blocks are preventative. You were revert warring, and on-wiki comments indicate that you intended to continue revert warring. Indeed, it would appear the only reason you stopped is because you blocked the user you were edit warring with. Gimmetoo (talk) 14:55, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Or, one could say KW was reverting your disruption. Gimmetoo (talk) 15:10, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
You were the one edit-warring to close a discussion. If you really thought it was "necessary" to block KW, there was no need for you to do it, as there are numerous admins around ANI. You were not blocked this time. Let this be your warning. If you ever act in such a disreputable way again, you may be blocked without further warning or notice; You should know better. Gimmetoo (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Tut tut tut. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:04, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

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Wishing you a Merry Christmas and all the best for 2013. Blethering Scot 22:43, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

FIFA world cup

I protected the page as I want to get this issue resolved. You blocked God Football for violating 3RR but the dispute will no doubt continue as soon as his block expires. While there is some discussion on the talkpage already I don't think the discussion is yet stale. At least Warshy seems to think that the information added was useful. I don't imagine that the content added by God Football will remain in the article but perhaps consensus will be reached to create a "history of international football" or similar article. Currently discussion seems to be falling to the side of just reverting one another so I wanted to force discussion. James086Talk 13:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

If you think the article should be unprotected then go ahead, I can clearly see that God Football is the centre of the problem. James086Talk 13:39, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I just saw the note on my talkpage, I'll continue on Talk:FIFA Club World Cup. James086Talk 13:40, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't consider it too harsh. God Football was warned 8 minutes before he re-did the edit, plenty of time to see the warning. James086Talk 15:19, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


I see you're also having issues with this user. They keep reverting my edits...edits I made to repair the damage done by them. I have raised the issues on his talk page in the hope a moderator/administrator will see just how much damage they are doing. Thanks for also trying to get them sorted for the benefit of wikipedia and the people that use it. User: talk: 13:39, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I actually think I may have an account. I don't know why I've not been using it. I really should log in! my username is pippin0490...I think. With regards to the user, I shall keep track on the issue in the hopes it can be sorted. Thanks again.User: talk: 13:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Courtesy notification of your talk page getting a mention, in case you hadn't seen it. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:19, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SchuminWeb

Resolved by motion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case that:

The accepted case is hereby suspended pending SchuminWeb's return to editing. SchuminWeb is instructed not to use his administrator tools in any way until the closure of the case; doing so will be grounds for removal of his administrator userrights. Should SchuminWeb decide to resign his administrative tools, the case will be closed and no further action taken. Should SchuminWeb not return to participate in the case within three months of this motion passing, this case will be closed, and the account will be desysopped. If the tools are resigned or removed in either of the circumstances described above, restoration of the tools to SchuminWeb will require a new request for adminship.

For the Arbitration Committee, Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 19:18, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Discuss this

Miguel Pérez Cuesta

Hi there SNOWY, AL here,

don't know why do i bother, but i'll just be a fool and think with this request the vandalism in the page will stop...The height keeps being changed (the source is wrong, he's 1,85 as his PREMIER LEAGUE profile says), but what saddens me the most is the constant vandalism the page gets, when i doubt he had ONE single edit from England last year.

Example: one "user" even goes as far as to write "professional POOFTER" instead of "professional FOOTBALLER" and write in the summary "typo corrected", has done that several times. That goes to show that Michu has broken a lot of hearts with his work at Swansea, now he's a hated guy when people could not be bothered to know who he was when he played for Rayo Vallecano, sad...

Happy 2013, kind regards - --AL (talk) 19:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate it...

...if you stop talking on my talk page, troll. God Football (talk) 13:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

God Football

Good on you for giving him an indef block. Good riddance to bad rubbish, IMO. – PeeJay 15:31, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. Apparently we were all working together behind the scenes to make his life a misery. No, God Football, we just all happen to disagree with you! – PeeJay 15:36, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I think you know how I feel about, but nevertheless I have to say I endorse the block he continued to edit war upon return & made further wild accusations, he must have accused at least half a dozen editors if not more. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:28, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Where does this leave the AfD they started? ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:09, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't think it should affect the AfD. His nomination of the list was unrelated to his blocking. He is blocked, not banned, so we don't have to remove all of his edits. James086Talk 17:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
It should be relatively easy to dispel any accusations of misconduct on your part given the evidence in God Football's contributions. I support the block independently of the AfD (of which I was not aware until you pointed it out) and would make this clear in any ANI/RFC/etc. should that come about. James086Talk 17:40, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't imagine it will go that far, anyone who notices it could also easily see the persistent disruptive editing and discussions in your talk archives. James086Talk 17:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Although the outcomes of AfDs are based on reasonable, logical, policy-based arguments not on a tally of votes, God Football's initiation of the AfD is considered a vote, one he is surely no longer entitled to. So would a note in AfD stating the nominator has been indef blocked be appropriate, given a closing admin is not necessarily going to check the nominators page. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I guess there's no need for a note in that case. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:28, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
As I thought. :) James086Talk 19:35, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

User:Banana Fingers

This user, who shows NO SIGN OF REGRET after his block for personal attacks, has resorted to insulting me at Ángel Guirado after my contribution with my (static) anon IP. I have left a note in his page and i come here to notify you, if you block me i will abide by man, it will just be the excuse i need to leave the site altogether.

I will ALWAYS understand the users who lose it because of vandals and/or akin, i will NEVER understand people who insult others just because they get all high on their internet horses.

Attentively, happy 2013 - --AL (talk) 06:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

  • I have left an additional message there, knowing the way he reacts i should never have fallen in the trap and write the summary i wrote. Thanks for your attention as always. --AL (talk) 19:29, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Football records in Spain, Cup section

Hi there, what if I use the book written by Moreno, Mariano (2009). Campeonato de España - Finales de 1903 a 2008. Real Federación Española de Fútbol. ISBN 978-84-8229-129-1. It is a fairly recent print (2008) and no records have been altered since. I could also use RSSSF collection of results, more precisely this page

Athenry F.C

Hi, I have added some references to the page. Please help me to remove the deletion box because while searching for that I understood that it is one of the worthy article and am still searching for some more references. Please help the artice.Mydreamsparrow (talk) 19:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)