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C.V.U.A training Me[edit]

So will you train me to fight against vandalism? I am new to vandalism fighting and I can a bit of some help. I am a new user and I have read over most policies. IlluminatingTrooper (talk) 06:11, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi IlluminatingTrooper, thanks for reaching out. I've recently taken on a couple of new students, and am not sure that I would be able to find time for another one right at the moment; having said that, one of them is progressing quite quickly, and it might not be too long until they graduate. From a quick look at your contributions, it looks like you've already started using Twinkle to clean up vandalism - my advice at the moment would be to give WP:Twinkle and WP:Vandalism another careful read-through, build up some more experience using the 'Recent changes', and hopefully I'll be in a position to start taking you through the course in the near future (maybe in the next couple of weeks?). Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 06:58, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi IlluminatingTrooper - I've graduated one of my students, and I've marked another as inactive since they haven't edited for a few weeks, so I think I've got some space to pick this up if you're still interested. I see that you were granted Rollback recently, so you have obviously already picked up a good amount of experience in this area - let me know if you still want to go through the course. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 17:37, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your help![edit]

I'm still learning how to create wiki pages and appreciate your feedback. I'll look for additional independent sources for the podcast page I tried to create. It is slowly gaining recognition and press so I may have to wait until there are more reputable articles written before I finalize and submit the page for publishing. Thanks for your assistance as I learn the ropes! KnowledgeGoddessDC (talk) 17:06, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

KnowledgeGoddessDC, no problem, you're welcome! I'm so glad you weren't upset - not everyone takes well to having their articles draftified, but it's sometimes the best option when there is good content there, but the sources don't quite support notability yet. A couple more decent-length reviews in reliable sources would probably swing it - do drop me a note if you add them and I'll be happy to take a look. Welcome to Wikipedia by the way! GirthSummit (blether) 17:09, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Wanted to call your attention to [article] again to see if the sources indicate notability. Here are the top 3 sources. 1. The Washington Post - 5 Dating App Mistakes You're Probably Making According to the Hosts of U Up 2. Chicago Tribune - The ‘U Up?’ podcast duo is coming to Chicago — with no-nonsense advice for dating in the city 3. E Online - Listen Up, Gigi Hadid: This Is What Tyler Cameron Is Looking For in a Partner

Thanks for your help and advice! KnowledgeGoddessDC (talk) 17:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

KnowledgeGoddessDC, hi again. It would be worth taking a look at WP:INTERVIEWS - it's an essay which discusses the use of interviews when weighing notability. The Washington Post and the E Online pieces aren't quite ideal because of this, since they're both essentially just interviews with the presenters of the podcast, so are largely primary and dependent. I can't see the Chicago Tribune source because of my geographical location (a lot of US media sources block UK IP addresses because they're not compliant with our GDPR laws), so I can't assess that one - if it gives significant coverage to the podcast itself (rather than just the hosts), and it's not an interview, then it's probably a good notability indicator, since it's a very reliable publication. GirthSummit (blether) 09:14, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Oliver Maloba[edit]


I created the page Oliver Maloba which you proposed for deletion - and it was later deleted! Originally it did not have references which I later added but seems it was too late.

Help out please - putting up a page takes hours. You must know a lot more than I do on this streetsTipkorir (talk) 05:29, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Tipkorir, we have a strict policy that no biographical article of a living person is permitted to exist without sources. I can no longer see the article, so I can't comment on the history here, but if you contact the admin who deleted it they may be willing to email you the text for you to recreate with sourcing.
If you want my advice about writing articles, I always work on them in draft space until they are ready - including having plenty of reliable sources to support my assertions and to demonstrate notability. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 05:50, 17 September 2019 (UTC)


Hey Girth, I have downloaded Huggle and logged in. It shows a list of recent unhelpful changes but which button will I use to revert changes when it is unhelpful?Andrew Base (talk) 09:00, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Base, I'm on mobile at the moment, but the drop-down menus along the top allow you to select different reasons for reverting (or to choose whether or not to warn, or to mark the edit as a good one). There are short-cut keys for each of the options, but I can't remember off the top of my head what they are - I think the menus tell you though? GirthSummit (blether) 17:41, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Andrew Base, hi - I'm back home and in front of my PC - have you been able to figure this out yet? GirthSummit (blether) 20:03, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Hey Girth, I've figured it out and started using huggle and it is working fine. Are IP users allowed to remove warnings from their talk page?Andrew Base (talk) 08:56, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Andrew Base, see my comment above to James the Charizard - users are allowed to remove messages from their talk pages, and while WP:OWNTALK makes no mention of IP talk pages, I'm not aware of any guideline or policy that would cause us to treat IP talk pages differently in that regard. However, the removal of a warning is often considered an indication that the user has read and understood the message, so in the case of repeated vandalism you should escalate your warning when there have recently been warnings issued, even if they have been removed - if you end up reporting to AIV, and investigating admin will look at the talk page history, not just what's currently on the page. GirthSummit (blether) 09:43, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Super Audio CD[edit]

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Special Task Force - South African State Security Agency[edit]

Hi GS,

Thank you. I do need some help here with this concerning content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:44, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

I've replied on your talk page, but basically you need sources to add content like that. GirthSummit (blether) 06:59, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi GS, Thank you, I got it. It's ruining my life though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:35, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't really understand what you mean by that, but I'm sorry if this is causing you any distress. Just try to find some reliable published sources to support your claims. GirthSummit (blether) 15:16, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Margaret Macpherson Grant[edit]

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Please comment on Talk:Marvin Minsky[edit]

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Question about revert at Ad Astra[edit]

why would the English for a movie title in Latin be "unnecessary"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:11, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, thanks for reaching out. As you can see, I've moved your comment to the bottom of the page, and given it a new section.
So, I guess my edit summary of 'unnecessary' was a bit brief. What I meant was 'unnecessary in that sentence, and also slightly ungrammatical'. You added Latin for _to the s stars,_ into a sentence about when and where the film had its world premier - aside from the typos, that wasn't the right place to add an assertion like that. The subject of the sentence is the film itself, but your assertion was about the phrase it takes its name from - they don't fit together in a single sentence, the two subjects are obviously related, but distinct from each other. I wouldn't have an issue with an assertion about the meaning of the film's title being added at an appropriate point in the article. Hope that makes sense. GirthSummit (blether) 06:32, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Rotten Tomatoes Updates[edit]

Could you please look into this discussion and provide a suggestion. Ashokkumar47 (talk) 03:59, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Ashokkumar47, hi - I'm not sure why you've reached out to me here, film articles aren't something I know much about. If I've edited that page recently, I expect it was just to revert vandalism or something. Sorry GirthSummit (blether) 09:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

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good half Drattman (talk) 08:25, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

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Falafel award.png ok Drattman (talk) 08:27, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Drattman The falafel is appreciated. The removal of content from multiple articles - not so much. If you're annoyed that I nominated your user page for deletion, come and tell me that here, rather than vandalising the encyclopedia - I'm always happy to be asked to account for my actions. Your user page seemed to me to have content that was no compliant with our guidelines at WP:UP. You may create a new page of course, just make sure it's compliant with those guidelines. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 09:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Margaret Macpherson Grant[edit]

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I've changed all the refs to harv. For future reference here's notes:
  • Install this thingy [1] It will make ugly red stuff show up on the page if there are errors. (I've left you one to fix on Macpherson Grant, so you can see what it looks like when a citation is broken).
  • Dates are important. Please try to insert them in the citations, so the ref is easier to format. If there are more than one date in the same year by the same author, they are distinguished by a, b, c, etc. (See Historic Environment Scotland 2007a, b, etc.)
  • If the author is known, put the ref in alpha order by surname.
  • If the author is unknown, put the article name in alpha order.
  • Link to author names, publisher names, etc. if you can. (author-link=no brackets will link to a WP article)
  • It doesn't matter if the harv format goes in the front or the back of the citation, I prefer the front, but see Historic Environment Scotland, 1972 or 1976, where I put it at the end because the template doesn't give me cite=xxx
Hope these are helpful tips. If not, you can totally disregard them. Except, please fix the error I left for you. SusunW (talk) 18:09, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
SusunW, thanks for taking the time to explain that - one of the best things about working with you on this is how much I'm learning! I'll read through the notes properly, install that gizmo and fix the last citation later today when I'm in front of my pc. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 08:40, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
SusunW, that seemed to work - I saw the ugly red stuff as you suggested, and spotted the error in the date of the citation - think it's fixed now, I'm not seeing any more red. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 11:57, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
Perfect! Glad to be able to help. Can't take credit for any of it, someone gave me the gadget, someone else taught me about harv refs and still someone else taught me how to format it when there is no author. it truly does take a village to work on here. We all learn from each other. SusunW (talk) 14:59, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Fram RfA[edit]

Fram I attempted to drop by and put a note on your talk page, but Future Perfect at Sunrise's protection prevents me from doing that (no criticism intended BTW - I'm sure it was appropriate and necessary). I don't imagine that a protracted exposition of my views on the whole affair are of any interest to you, but I just wanted to say that I thought your withdrawal statement was remarkably dignified and, in view of the levels both of support and opposition from numerous first-rate editors, it was the honourable thing to do in order to avoid any wedges being driven further into the community. I'm glad that you intend to continue editing, and that you feel able to take the commentary on board. Please accept my best wishes for your future endeavours. GirthSummit (blether) 19:42, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!!!![edit]

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This is for your valuable efforts for countering Vandalism and protecting Wikipedia from it's threats. I appreciate your effort. You are a defender of Wikipedia. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 10:55, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Path slopu - I've seen you around quite a bit, thanks for your efforts too. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 12:03, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


Just realized that you couldn't have received my ping from yesterday because I forgot to sign my post. Both have to happen at the same time to work. Clovermoss (talk) 20:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Clovermoss, you're right, I didn't get the ping - I've seen your update now, I'll review the diffs and feedback later today. GirthSummit (blether) 08:41, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hey Girth, I realise that I am probably jumping steps but I was thinking of becoming a CVUA trainer since there are only two active trainers in CVUA. I think I have mastered all the species in the counter vandalism area. Do you think I should become a trainer?Andrew Base (talk) 06:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Base, hi again. If I'm honest with you, I think you should build up more experience before doing that. When I first started counter vandalism training, I had something like 10,000 edits, almost all of them in the counter vandalism area. That had allowed me to encounter lots of different kinds of situation, which have come in useful when offering advice to my students, and former students, when they have come across similar things. Don't rush into something like this - your NPP training should be your focus at the moment, and then you should spend time building up experience in both areas before offering to train others. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 06:29, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Iam frustrated....[edit]

Narendra Singh Dhami is a author , Social Activist ans Actor,he have written four books,he have acted on three movies.And you are asking about notably of Narendra Singh Dhami ? how stupid behavior is this ? is it fair ??Everestpedia (talk) 06:53, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Everestpedia, hi - I understand that you are frustrated, but you must not allow that to spill over and cause you to level personal attacks at other editors - using words like stupid, pathetic etc to describe others' contributions is not civil. Writing four books and appearing in three movies does not automatically make someone notable - you have been given links to our notability guidelines already, have you read them? You need to find reliable sources giving the subject significant coverage - if you can do that, no one will challenge their notability. Insulting people is going to make them less inclined to agree with you and help you, it is not helping your cause. GirthSummit (blether) 08:29, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Everestpedia I just took a look at the draft in question, and can confirm what AngusWOOF was right to decline it, since the sourcing is not there to support notability. Google searches, and Google information panels, Google books pages about his work, 'Good reads' pages - none of these are reliable sources that give his work significant coverage. The Surnayakhabar source looks like WP:UGC which was written by the subject, so would not be considered reliable or to count towards notability. The only potentially reliable source I'm seeing there is the Himalayan Times article - but that gives him a single passing mention, which is not significant coverage. There simply isn't enough material there to support an article - you need to find reliably published mainstream coverage of him or his writing to establish notability per WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR, or the article can't stand. Nobody is trying to frustrate you, we apply these criteria to all articles, especially to biographies of living people. Please just tone down the rhetoric, and look for better sourcing. GirthSummit (blether) 08:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC) = google search with the term. There's no indication when the person became an activist (I'm assuming they are currently one), what cause they are advocating, and what movements or organizations they started, joined, or led, or anything about how the person's writings, speeches, or acting has impacted society. Did the person get any awards for their work. The sourcing is still bleh. I've had to move the article from mainspace back to draft TWICE. If Everestpedia moves this to mainspace directly with the same level of sourcing. I will have to escalate to AFD or MFD and salt. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 14:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

My submission about Unlock Brands entry[edit]

Hello Girth, I wish you are well.

I'd like to ask you please to review the changes I made to turn this entry less "commercial". However, I really think Unlock Brands is a legit and rightful candidate to be featured on Wikipedia because it's kind of a phenomenon that an Agency from such a small country as Portugal is producing some of the worlds best, most relevant Branding and Design projects, like 2 FIFA World Football Cups' identity in a row.

And there are many other Branding and Design Agencies featured on Wikipedia, so the criteria should be the same upon approval.

Please take this into consideration and don't hesitate to contact me with further suggestions.

Thank you, have a nice day!

Masofema (talk) 09:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Masofema, thanks for reaching out. The new version is definitely an improvement, but there are still some unsourced assertions there, and listing all of the areas they work in still looks promotional to me. A better version of the article would state simply that they are a brand design firm, mention the names of the people involved, and note that they are known for having designed the logo for the relevant competitions - including at least one independent source (not the company's website) to support each assertion. I'd suggest that you cut the last paragraph entirely. I think that if you were to make those changes, this would be much more likely to pass a review.
As an aside - I don't know whether you have any connection to the company - if not, you're fine, but if you are an employee, a relative of one of the founders, or have been contracts by them to write this article, then you need to read and comply with COI. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 12:10, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi Girth,
Just to let you know I agreed and implemented all your recommendations, so I hope you will find it suitable now. Please let me know if there's anything else I can do.
I assure you that I don't work for Unlock Brands nor that I am being paid to do this.
It's just that they are my friends and I really think their track record is really a great achievement, as well as the quality of their work.
Waiting for your feedback,Masofema (talk) 13:08, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Masofema, hi again - since they are your friends, you do have a conflict of interest - you should read the COI guidelines linked to above, and make the necessary declaration on your user page. This does not mean that the article won't be published, it just makes it clear to reviewers that you have a connection and that you are doing everything properly and above-board. I'd suggest that you resubmit the draft and another reviewer will give it their look over. GirthSummit (blether) 15:08, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Masofema, just to let you know, I took the liberty of changing a few things on your draft - you are free to undo my changes if you like, but I think that will help it pass a review if you resubmit it now. Please do make the necessary COI declaration before resubmitting though. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 15:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Dendrochytridium[edit]

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Hello Girth, I would like to write an article about Joe Townsend, can you provide me with some reliable sources? Sincerely. Andrew Base (talk) 14:40, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Base, hi Andrew - I assume you're referring to the paralympic athlete? this looks reliable enough to get started with - it's probably not 100% independent, but I can't see anyone questioning his notability. I'm not very experienced at sporting biographies, I'd suggest taking a look at a few biographies of other athletes and see the sources they use. If you can find one that's a GA, that would probably be a good template to use. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 15:02, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Girth Summit, Thanks for the advice and yes I'm referring to that athlete. I'll be working on that article tomorrow. Andrew Base (talk) 15:17, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Andrew Base, hi again - I did a bit more Googling, see this, this, this and this. Go easy when working with interviews - anything the subject is saying about himself would be considered a primary source, so best avoided if possible, but statements made about him by a Telegraph journalist would probably be OK, and the coverage in those articles adds more weight to the notability. Just as an aside, you might want to add a disambiguation template pointing to Joseph Townsend. Good luck with it GirthSummit (blether) 15:25, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey Girth, I've created the article Joe Townsend, thank you for providing me with the sources. Andrew Base (talk) 17:02, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Andrew Base hi again - that looks like a good start. I changed a couple of your links, which were going to disambiguation pages (there's a script you can install that makes links to disambig pages show up in orange - can't remember which one it is at the moment, but I'll have a dig around to try and find it for you). I also added a few links to useful articles. A few thoughts:
  • You need to check a couple of the refs - the first two are giving me a 404, so I think there's a mistake in your URLs? The first link also seems to be just a bare URL, which is a bad idea because those are very prone to WP:LINKROT - try to fill in as many details as you can in the Cite Template.
  • You didn't add any categories - I've added a few, there might be some more that apply. I use WP:Hotcat to add them.
  • You should also think about adding some talk page banners - there are scripts you can use to do that, but the easiest thing is probably to find another British paralympian and copy them from them from their talk page - just make sure you remove the article assessments (just leave them blank, an editor from one of the relevant projects will come along and add them).
  • There are a couple of slightly WP:PUFFy phrases which you should probably tweak, like 'one of the best PT1 triathletes in the world' - we don't make judgments like that in Wikipedia's voice, we should either say that he has been described by such and such a source as "one of the best..." (thereby making it a direct quote), or say something more bland like 'established himself in the field of paralympic triathlon'.
Hope that's useful - well done for getting started in the word of content creation! GirthSummit (blether) 19:10, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Girth, I've removed that phrase. Andrew Base (talk) 11:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard[edit]

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Please comment on Talk:BMW 3 Series (E36)[edit]

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DYK for St Rufus Church[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 15 October 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article St Rufus Church, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the nave entrance doors of St Rufus Church in Keith, Moray, Scotland, incorporate a two-sided memorial to the First and Second World Wars? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/St Rufus Church. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, St Rufus Church), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for encouragement me to work on this with you, and in the process reminding me why I'm here, at a time when I really needed it. Next stop: GA! Levivich 01:49, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Levivich - I'm glad it's come together so well, especially all the great pictures you were able to find. I think we can go straight for the GA nom once it's off the main page - my DYKs usually get a few tweaks while they're at the prep stage, the fact this has gone through without changes probably means there can't be too much wrong with it! Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 05:04, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease[edit]

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DYK for Margaret Macpherson Grant[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 16 October 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Margaret Macpherson Grant, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 19th-century Scottish heiress and philanthropist Margaret Macpherson Grant died, aged 42, shortly after her female partner had abandoned her to marry a man? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret Macpherson Grant. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Margaret Macpherson Grant), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Your RfA[edit]

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