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Razing of Friesoythe Leo Tornikios Razing of Friesoythe On this day. 14 April 2018.[Razing of Friesoythe] Leo Tornikios Zoë Porphyrogenita Constantine VIII Petronius Maximus Romanos III Argyros Constantine VIII Macuahuitl Publius Cornelius Dolabella (consul 10) Female Red Guards of the Finnish Civil War Type of Constans Constantine Dalassenos (duke of Antioch) Battle of Petroe Gothic War (535–554) Michael IV the Paphlagonian Type of Constans Publius Cornelius Dolabella (consul 10) Septimius Severus Petronius Maximus Constantine III (Western Roman Emperor) Theodora Porphyrogenita (11th century) Female Red Guards of the Finnish Civil War Anastasius I Dicorus Constantine III (Western Roman Emperor) Constantine Dalassenos (duke of Antioch) Lucius Valerius Flaccus (suffect consul 86 BC) Theodora Porphyrogenita (11th century) Septimius Severus) Gothic War (535–554)) Michael IV the Paphlagonian)) Battle of Sluys Marcus Calpurnius Bibulus Macuahuitl)) Gaius Vettius Sabinianus Julius Hospes Maurice (emperor) Zoë Porphyrogenita)) Anastasius I Dicorus)) Marcus Calpurnius Bibulus)) Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC) Gaius Vettius Sabinianus Julius Hospes)) Siege of Berwick (1333))) Maurice (emperor))) SMS S36) Razing of Friesoythe Battle of Neville's Cross) Isaac I Komnenos) Dutch expedition to Valdivia) Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC))) Justin I) Flavius Arinthaeus) Lucius Neratius Marcellus) Siege of Berwick (13User:Gog the Mild/T33)) Battle of Neville's Cross)) Dutch expedition to Valdivia))

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A Barnstar for Guidance[edit]

Compass barnstar.png The Guidance Barnstar
For being a mentor to beginning and intermediate-level users and a role model for experienced Wikipedians. Thank you for helping so many of us learn to navigate Wikipedia's often daunting maze of policies and procedures, and for demonstrating daily that it's possible to be kind while inspiring others to strive for excellence in research, writing and editing. May the winds of passion and productivity always be at your back. 47thPennVols (talk) 10:27, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

@47thPennVols: I came in and found this waiting for me. What a fabulous surprise. I am very touched by your generous words. I am not so sure that I have been a good mentor. But don't dare take me at my word and reclaim the barnstar! I only started serious editing on 20 December last year. (See month counts here. So I am something of a beginner myself. I have received a lot of assistance myself, so it feels especially good to pay some of it forward. I consider the Guidance Barnstar be be especially esteemed and so I am exceedingly happy to receive this one. Thank you. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:11, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

  • My pleasure. I was trying to figure out which barnstar to give you because several applied. I'm so glad I made the right choice. Again, many thanks for your guidance and mentoring. (Embrace the word. You ARE a mentor at heart. Face-wink.svg) 47thPennVols (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
@47thPennVols: You picked a good one. I also like the citation, it is almost poetic in its approach. I am resisting the impulse to print it out and put it on my fridge Face-smile.svg. OK, I am embracing my mentorship (mentordom? mentorishness?). Gog the Mild (talk) 10:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild: Every so often, words flow. Glad to hear the citation wasn't too over the top. BTW, if I'm seeming a tad slow in responding right now, it's just that I'm working on a new bio for Women in Red - Mary Lowe Dickinson. She has turned out to be a little more "Homeric" than I originally anticipated. (I'm already missing writing about battle carnage.) 47thPennVols (talk) 05:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
@47thPennVols: No worries. I have delayed this response so that you won't appear impolite Face-wink.svg. Your words seem to "just flow" quite frequently. Homeric is good. So long as you don't end up as Achilles. Or burn the topless towers of Ilium. I know what you mean about battle carnage. (I wrote an article about a theological dispute in the 7th century a couple of months ago. It was one of my best articles, but I was glad to get back to Roman consuls and Byzantine monarchs.)
I will be glad when your next two GANs are assessed. I think that you have several other articles which could go straight to GAN, but I think that you will feel readier to do this once you have a range of experience of the system. Gog the Mild (talk) 00:05, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

July DYKs[edit]

@Reidgreg: Ended up with 11 DYKs in July, all from new GAs. 100,000 views in total. Counting bumps in non-bold links 135,000. Zoe, bless her little cotton socks, got over 24,000 views. The lead makes a big difference; one of Zoe's husbands got nearly as many views when non-bold linked in her lead article as he did in his own, non-leas, DYK. It was fun while it lasted. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Wow. I find it difficult to imagine myself putting half as many DYKs through in a month. Truly impressive work. – Reidgreg (talk) 21:37, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
@Reidgreg: The DYKs are ok, it's getting the GAs to base them on that's the difficulty. It was that burst of creativity in June; I probably won't have a burst like it again, but it was an intense learning experience. Looking at my numbers for the Western Roman Empire discussion on Requests I was startled to discover that of my 23 GAs, 19 are Roman or Byzantine! My current GANs are more varied which will stretch my skills. (Which is good.)
GOCE Lead
Coordinator
Re your new point man role, has anyone machine gunned you as you stepped over a rise yet? Gog the Mild (talk) 10:20, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Not so far, and another five months to go. I noticed some accidentally deleted requests, so trying to watch for things like that to head-off potential complaints. I think generally folks have been too busy to complain. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:50, 2 August 2018 (UTC) Ha! That's why nobody else wanted the job. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:06, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Capture of Berwick (1333)[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Capture of Berwick (1333) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 3[edit]

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July 2018 GOCE Drive bling[edit]

Barnstar of Diligence.png The Barnstar of Diligence
This barnstar is awarded to Gog the Mild for copy edits totaling over 60,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE July 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 4th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Gog the Mild for copyediting 21 articles during the GOCE July 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 5th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Gog the Mild for copyediting 36,035 total words during the GOCE July 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 4th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Gog the Mild for copyediting three long articles during the GOCE July 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

And I was just telling someone that we don't often award the Barnstar of Diligence. Well done! – Reidgreg (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: That seems odd. I was aiming for this specific barnstar because it is missing from my collection, but why is it so rarely awarded? (Maybe a bit low for the regulars and a bit high for the occasionals?)
Good to see the totals on the backlog looking so low: now, if only we could stop people posting new copy edit tags... Gog the Mild (talk) 23:54, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Ah, whew. For a moment I feared I'd made a mistake. (I had to do a bit of a manual recount.) Yes, exactly. The distribution of copy editors by participation (yes, yes, anorak) has three peaks, with a gap between the middle and high-end contributors. I believe it was only awarded once from January to June. So it does seem you have to exhibit some diligence to earn it. Almost 200 copy edits were recorded on the drive (plus others that weren't recorded) but over 500 articles were added to the backlog in June and July. Nonetheless, I take it as progress as we successfully achieved the goal of clearing the oldest three months, and the backlog now sits at a low of seven months. – Reidgreg (talk) 11:07, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
@Reidgreg: Do you have anoraks in Canada? The clothing, not the personality type. I am a real number anorak myself. To the extent that if you were willing to trust me with the raw data I would be happy to create a GOCE data page for anoraks and maintain it. With contributor profiles, award ratios, running totals of articles c/e'ed, articles tagged, waiting times for requests etc. Obviously with lots of graphs. Speaking of which, is there some way for me to add the three most recent quarters to the big GOCE backlog graph?
I have been skimming the past year at GOCE and I am astonished afresh at the workload it gets through.
Do you know when the Blitz will be this month? I am dragging my feet on Western Roman Empire because I want to claim it in the Blitz and get a Tireless Contributor Barnstar Face-smile.svg. I will have to undercount the words, but if I am going to game the system I may as well really game it. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC)[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Courcelles -- Courcelles (talk) 21:21, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Gaius Vettius Sabinianus Julius Hospes[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 5 August 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gaius Vettius Sabinianus Julius Hospes, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Gaius Hospes wore his award for valour at public gatherings, it was expected that he be applauded by every person present? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gaius Vettius Sabinianus Julius Hospes. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Gaius Vettius Sabinianus Julius Hospes), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC)[edit]

The article Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC) for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Courcelles -- Courcelles (talk) 05:21, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Re: Lucius Neratius Marcellus[edit]

This is an article I was planning on taking to GA, which is one reason I submitted it to Peer review. I have delayed on doing that until I could find an appropriate illustration for the article, amongst other reasons. There are a number of articles on Roman consuls which I started & plan on taking to GA; you can tell that not only I was the person who made the first edits, but have done a lot of work on them -- research, working on the language, etc. So would you please do me the favor to contact me about them before submitting any of these articles to GA first? I would consider that a very kind thing. Thank you. -- llywrch (talk) 05:39, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Llywrch apologies if I have cut across your editing. You have been doing sterling work for far longer than me so I am distressed if you feel that I am capitalising on any of it. I always try to check that an article I am looking to do substantial work on is truly dormant. I fairly frequently come across articles you started and are clearly still working on, so I move on. (I say "frequently", having had 18 Roman or Byzantine articles promoted to GA in the last 10 weeks and with 4 more as GANs I come across your work quite a bit.) In this case I noted that the article was started by someone else and that you hadn't edited it for its first ten years. You had made a number of edits over the past four years, mostly just over a year ago when the peer review took place. I had made a couple of large edits in May when I submitted it for B class review at MilHist. I earmarked as a possible for working up to GAN at the time. When, two months later the only further edits were several editors making what looked like Wiki-gnoming edits I decided to go for it.
I recite this in the hope that you can understand how I got to this situation. With the benefit of hindsight perhaps I should have pinged you, but even looking at it now the article seemed dormant when I came across it in May and still so in July. Nevertheless sincere apologies, it is most irritating to put work into an article and then have another editor pick it up. I shall be more careful in future. You may wish to cast your eye over my current shortlist of articles to improve to see if there are any other potential clashes. A skim shows that you have edited about half of the Roman biographies, usually minor edits and only in one case in the last 6 months. I have just removed Lucius Annius Fabianus (consul 141) which you made a more substantial edit to a couple of months ago and Lucius Neratius Proculus, Gnaeus Domitius Lucanus and Lucius Funisulanus Vettonianus which are clearly "yours". Any more which should go? Apologies again, and hopefully there are enough dead Romans out there to keep us both active. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:42, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
First, I appreciate that you read my post as a request, & not as a peevish complaint. I was worried that I might inadvertently come across as angry when I was actually disappointed. And I also appreciate your compliments.

That said, about the article. Now that I look at the history of the article, I see that you are right: I didn't create it. I guess my memory of re-writing it misled me to thinking that. So I don't have the claim to it I thought I had. I was also misled by the fact that, despite having worked hard on a number of articles I haven't yet dared to nominate any for GA because I know far too well their weaknesses. For example on Lucius Neratius Marcellus, there is no direct proof that he became quaestor at the age of 25; rather, contemporary Classical historians have inferred that was the practice. (One cite for this inference would be Richard Talbert, The Senate of Imperial Rome (Princeton: University Press, 1984), p. 16.) Also, the fact that Marcellus was the first known curator acta senatorum needs to be carefully expressed: he is the first person known to hold this position, & it is entirely possible there were others before him. There are many events in Classical history that rest on inference or surmise, rather than attested fact; I find it a frequent challenge to try to convey this subtlety, perhaps to the point of being needlessly wordy. But at another point, we don't know the actual dates of his tenure as governor of Roman Britain; there is no surviving official archive that records when men were appointed to these posts. Birley surmises he was appointed governor in the year 101 & had left Britain by 105; Werner Eck surmises a tenure of 101-104; because the next known governor entered office c. 111, Marcellus could have been governor for a much longer time.

FWIW, I'm not a fan of infoboxes, which is why I tend to remove them on articles when I find them. Yet I'd find them more useful if they contained information that was not easily insertable into the article body, such as the person's Roman tribe (in Marcellus' case it is Voltinia), or their lemma in Pauly-Wissowa & the Prosopographia Imperia Romana.

These are just some of the issues with this article that kept me from submitting it for GA review, besides lack of supporting materials. (It was suggested this article would benefit from a stemma, similar to the fr.wikipedia article -- although that stemma is based on obsolete material.)

As for the articles you thought were mine, after Marcellus, the two that I've been thinking hardest of submitting for GA apparently weren't even on your radar: Aulus Didius Gallus Fabricius Veiento & Lucius Valerius Catullus Messalinus. In both cases, lack of supporting materials has been the biggest handicap (I'm just not big on adding pictures to articles), although Messalinus probably needs more content, which I've yet been unable to find. I am surprised you considered Lucius Annius Fabianus (consul 141) substantial enough to consider for GA. Maybe I've been looking at the criteria all wrong...

In short, since I don't have a firm basis to object to you working on promoting Marcellus to GA, & because I am in favor of more quality articles in Wikipedia, there is no reason for you not to work on promoting this article. So good luck with it, & I hope it passes review. -- llywrch (talk) 07:20, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Llywrch I think that you pitched the tone of your first post just right. I hope that I did as well with my response. On your point about level of detail, I think that we are reading the criteria differently. For GA it is required that "it addresses the main aspects of the topic". For A class "The article is comprehensive... it neglects no major facts or details... and does not go into unnecessary detail." In the last 2 months I have had 5 consuls or praetors promoted to GA. So several assessors have had a look at the level of my work; none have expressed any qualms and a couple have been complimentary. I am aware of at least some of the articles' deficiencies. To pick a recent example, yesterday Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC) was promoted. Before nominating I had to try and get all of the nuances of his role in De finibus bonorum et malorum and its background into less than a dozen lines. It can't be done. I am not really happy with what I ended up with, but it does meet the GA criterion. I had become a little twitchy that I may have been misreading the GA criterea, so I ran a recent Roman past a more experienced editor - see here.
As it happens I am a big fan of infoboxes; if I wrote the rules they would be mandatory for all articles. I like the way I can orientate myself with the who, where, what at a glance before starting to read an article. But my preferences are neither here nor there. At B class an infobox is acceptable in lieu of an image, and at GAN most assessors will cut you a lot of slack on images if you have an informative infobox. I can see how an aversion to infoboxes can leave you with a problem over images for this period.
Re Lucius Annius Fabianus (consul 141), that gave me a smile. The list was my "B class possible"s, with a slight stress on possibles. A minority of those I work up to B class I then consider weighty enough to think about GA. I shall put him back in the pot then.
At the top of my to do list are the articles promoted to GA this year, plus current GANs. An asterisk indicates that I might want to take it to ACR or FAC one day. None of the consuls have asterisks - I know my, and the sources, limitations. I am inexperienced to give a view on these things, but to me the level of coverage you are talking of is appropriate to FAs. For example, I think that if you could resolve the image issue Aulus Didius Gallus Fabricius Veiento would have few problems with a GA assessment in its current state. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:16, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Lucius Postumius Megellus (consul 305 BC) I note that you were the last person to edit this, alhough it was over two years ago. Are you ok with me doing some work on it? Ditto Lucius Scribonius Libo (consul 34 BC) and Lucius Caesonius Lucillus Macer Rufinianus. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Despite your protests, Gog, I must have made you a bit cautious; I've made no significant additions to any of those 3. The most important edit was to the first, Postumus Megellus, & that was to add a navigation box. For the other two, all I did was modify links or make copy edits. If you want to promote those to GA, feel free. -- llywrch (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Capture of Berwick (1333)[edit]

The article Capture of Berwick (1333) you nominated as a good article has failed Symbol oppose vote.svg; see Talk:Capture of Berwick (1333) for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Zawed -- Zawed (talk) 11:41, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC)[edit]

The article Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC) you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Courcelles -- Courcelles (talk) 17:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Siege of Berwick (1333)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 8 August 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Siege of Berwick (1333), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when the besieged town of Berwick-upon-Tweed refused to surrender, the governor's son was hanged outside the town gates? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Siege of Berwick (1333)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of SMS S36[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article SMS S36 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 02:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of SMS S36[edit]

The article SMS S36 you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:SMS S36 for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 03:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Norwich[edit]

Hi! I just came across yet another occasion when Norwich lets his literary flair get in the way of accurate research, and was reminded of my previous message to you regarding sources: in p. 336 of Byzantium: The Apogee he describes Constantine X Doukas as an "aristocratic intellectual" and an "impractical and wooly-minded bureaucrat", when in fact he was a senior military officer and one of Isaac Komnenos' chief lieutenants during the revolt that brought him to power. I will always appreciate Norwich for getting me involved with Byzantine history, but he is emphatically not a reliable, let alone critical, source. Please avoid him when writing articles. Constantine 15:06, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

HorrorProfessor[edit]

Hello Gog the Mild. Thank you for the pointers and for the welcome! I am impressed by your medals!! HorrorProfessor (talk) 19:33, 10 August 2018 (UTC) HorrorProfessor.

@HorrorProfessor: It's true, I am an anorak. All from the last 7 months Face-smile.svg. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:38, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
This may be a source for the deleted "where it was filmed". Although I am not sure how reliable it is. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

I've usually found locations listed for filming as largely reliable on imdb. Thank you Sir, your a scholar and a gentleman.HorrorProfessor (talk) 20:38, 10 August 2018 (UTC) HorrorProfessor.

yeah just as a heads up per WP:FILM standards we don't use IMDb as a source per WP:RS/IMDb. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:24, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
@Andrzejbanas: I think that HorrorProfessor is at the foot of the usual steep Wikipedia learning curve. I can well remember when I was struggling to identify what a "reliable source" was. Although looking at the post immediately above this one ("Norwich") maybe I am still at that stage. (The three volume history of the Byzantine Empire is not reliable? Bleh!) I am glad that I added my caveat re the reliability of IMBd. Hopefully HorrorProfessor will stick with it. The cost is worth it, as we both know, but I always find it difficult to persuade newcomers. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:05, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Nah its a common mistake. I think HorrorProf is definitely trying to follow along with the rules much better then the usual new editor in trying to fit to rules instead of establishing why they don't like them to only one user and hoping they can keep on editing their merry way! Andrzejbanas (talk) 05:48, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
@Andrzejbanas: Face-smile.svg Reminds me of some of my students in RL. I mostly work in MilHist where I think that we get a better class of newcomer. Not that I am much of an "old hand" myself. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:40, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLVIII, August 2018[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Denise Vernay[edit]

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DYK for Maurice (emperor)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 14 August 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Maurice (emperor), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the deposed Byzantine emperor Maurice was forced to watch his six sons executed before he was beheaded himself? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Maurice (emperor). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Maurice (emperor)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of SMS S36[edit]

The article SMS S36 you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:SMS S36 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 02:42, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)[edit]

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). Legobot (talk) 04:30, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Reidgreg[edit]

Hi. Just touching base. A couple of things, although it is likely that none of them will merit a response. I think, that as often when I communicate with you, I will be using it as an opportunity to organise my thoughts and be introspective.

  1. There have been no comments on my copy editing for a while. I thing [think] that it is ok. I am sure that there are plenty of things which you could pick up, but I am also sure that I leave every article I copy edit much improved. I think that it helps that I stay away from: Lists; Films and videos; Actors and singers; Songs and albums; Games. I have had several articles I have c/e'ed go through ACR or FAC; looking at the feedback I seem to be picking up everything other than personal preferences. So I am happy there, but ready for feedback on how to up my game further if anyone feels like giving it.
  2. On Tuesday, in the space of a few hours I received notification of my first A class pass (looking good for FA), my 25th GA and my 20th DYN (sic) hit the main page (my second, after my very first DYK, to receive over 15,000 views). As is often the case when I hit a personal Wikipedia milestone, I thought of how much it relied on the firm base for my editing which you had such an important role in constructing. I wandered, rather aimlessly, around the wilderness that is Wikipedia for nearly four years. Then you patiently equipped me with the tools I needed, helped me to look up and identify some distant peaks I might want to move towards and I was up and running, or at least staggering. I feel that I have macheted my way out of the tropical lowlands and am making slow but steady progress through the foothills. So far it has been a satisfying journey. Thank you. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Wow, those are some kind words. To quote a WIR bio I'm working on: "Thank you. And you're welcome." (OK, it was better coming from her, but she was a professional comedian.) You've done so much I wish I could take credit for some of your work, like a pyramid-scheme of recruiting people into the cult of Wikipedia regular contributors. I'll see about getting you some feedback later this month. Today I'm going to try starting some DYKn reviews, research possible themes for this month's blitz, search for sources, and any other housekeeping, so should be online (if semi-busy). – Reidgreg (talk) 14:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I wasn't requesting, or even especially wanting a review of my copy edit skills. It was just that I was thinking that this was about the stage that a regular if low level contributor with intermediate level skills is likely to get complacent and that it may be as well to remind you that I am not in the same class as the other regulars and that wearing one of you various hats you may wish to keep a watchful eye on me. (Yes, feel free to copy edit that sentence.) Gog the Mild (talk) 00:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

August GOCE newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors August 2018 Newsletter
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Hello and welcome to the August 2018 GOCE newsletter. Thanks to everyone who participated in the Guild's June election; your new and returning coordinators are listed below. The next election will occur in December 2018; all Wikipedia editors in good standing may take part.

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Our June blitz focused on Requests and articles tagged for copy edit in October 2017. Of the eleven people who signed up, eight editors recorded a total of 28 copy edits, including 3 articles of more than 10,000 words. Complete results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Thanks to everyone who participated in the July drive. Of the seventeen people who signed up, thirteen editors completed 194 copy edits, successfully removing all articles tagged in the last three months of 2017. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are here.

The August blitz will run for one week, from 19 to 25 August. Sign up now!

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators, Reidgreg, Baffle gab1978, Jonesey95, Miniapolis and Tdslk.

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Your GA nomination of Denise Vernay[edit]

The article Denise Vernay you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Denise Vernay for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Catrìona -- Catrìona (talk) 03:22, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Neville's Cross[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Battle of Neville's Cross you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of QatarStarsLeague -- QatarStarsLeague (talk) 18:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Well done[edit]

G'day Gog, just a quick note of congratulations for getting Razing of Friesoythe through A-Class review. It is a fairly high bar, and will set the article up well for a run at FAC. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:08, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

Hey Gog, thanks for your message. There's absolutely no problem if you want to edit, revise, or rewrite a page I happened to have created, in fact I would be thankful! I had forgotten about the article as I'm busy with other things both in real life and in wiki. Cheers! JDHaidar (talk) 09:06, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Battle of Neville's Cross[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Isaac I Komnenos[edit]

The article Isaac I Komnenos you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Isaac I Komnenos for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 21:40, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Isaac I Komnenos[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Justin I[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Lucius Neratius Marcellus[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Flavius Arinthaeus[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Flavius Arinthaeus you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 03:01, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dutch expedition to Valdivia[edit]

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DYK nomination of Dutch expedition to Valdivia[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Dutch expedition to Valdivia at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Nizil (talk) 17:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Ennarea[edit]

Hey, I am currently reworking my old entry for Ennarea. Got a grammar question: how would you write this: "čč"? "chch"?LeGabrie (talk) 15:37, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Went with "tch" LeGabrie (talk) 19:34, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018 GOCE blitz bling[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded to Gog the Mild for copy edits totaling over 10,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE August 2018 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 21:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

For a truly tireless contributor! Thanks for taking time to work on the blitz! – Reidgreg (talk) 21:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 28 August 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after his death, politician, jurist, and general Lucius Torquatus was portrayed by Roman writer Cicero as an advocate for Epicurean ethics? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Lucius Manlius Torquatus (Praetor 49 BC)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Denise Vernay[edit]

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Technical question[edit]

Hi, Gog. Hope all's well in your world. I have a quick technical question re: the B-Class assessment checklist/template. Is there a preferred format for noting whether or not an article has passed each item on the checklist? (Does it matter if we use "Yes" vs. "Y" or "No" vs. "N" as long as we're consistent within the B-class template?) I ask because I've been seeing a number of changes to the review templates over the last few weeks (most recently to the Denise Vernay article). So, I find myself wondering if it's just a style thing or if there's a tech reason for making these edits that I may not be familiar with. Your insights would be most appreciated. 47thPennVols (talk) 10:00, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi 47th, if I may be so familiar. No, it makes no difference whatsoever. It means that the servers have to store infinitesimally less, but that's a teaspoon and ocean issue. I suspect that some editors are accustomed to seeing some things laid out in a certain way and it gives them satisfaction to rearrange them to match. If there is a "preferred" format, and I suspect that there isn't, then no one has shared it with me. It is, as you surmise, a style thing. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:29, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks so much. I've varied my checklist formatting (yes v. y/no v. n) based on whether I'm assessing the B-Class standards myself (in which case I usually spell things out) v. just completing a checklist someone has added in the y/n format. I was just really afraid, after all of the edits that started appearing, that I was doing something wrong. So, I'm relieved to know that I haven't committed a heinous formatting error. (Thank you for preventing more gray hair from sprouting.) On an entirely different matter, just wanted to say thanks again for your kind words the other day. It really did make my day (and month). Have a great week! 47thPennVols (talk) 10:42, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Flavius Arinthaeus[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Justin I[edit]

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Your GA nomination of HMS Russell (1901)[edit]

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Claiming copy edits[edit]

Hey, could you do me a favour and not claim any articles on your drive/blitz list until the event begins? We've got more than two days before the September drive starts. I suspect you want to claim those military history articles before someone else does, but I don't want it to look like you're jumping the gun. – Reidgreg (talk) 21:59, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: Of course. I hadn't claimed any. (I haven't even done any work on any yet.) I had put one down as "working"; I had thought that was allowed, so long as I didn't actually do any work. I stand corrected, the inherent conflict is obvious once I think about it, and have altered my account. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:31, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! I just don't want it getting out of hand, if new editors see that and think it's okay to start working. Or consequently having to consider disqualifying work and giving someone a bad experience with the GOCE. – Reidgreg (talk) 01:20, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lucius Neratius Marcellus[edit]

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Please comment on Talk:Saudi Arabia[edit]

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Disambiguation link notification for August 31[edit]

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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open[edit]

Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

August 2018 Military History Writers' Contest[edit]

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On behalf of the Wikiproject Military History coordinators, I hereby award you the Writer's Barnstar for placing second in the August 2018 Military History Article Writing Contest with 139 points from 25 articles. Congratulations, Cinderella157 (talk) 13:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Thankyou for your comment at my TP. You will be aware of the GWE ArbCom case? It has caused me to consider if I want to nominate and set myself up to fail. Your comment has been encouraging and I will probably nominate because of it. Australian R has been my mentor and guide. I am pleased that I have been able to pass this on to you. Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 13:21, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@Cinderella157: I dipped in and out of the Arb case. Much it went over my inexperienced (Wikipedia wise) head. It seemed a rather large storm in a small tea cup. I can understand, what I think was, the main point - keeping an awareness in articles that no part of the Wehrmacht was ever "clean". Personally I think the penny dropped when I read Gilbert in 1989, but I suppose that the battle needs constantly refighting. The collateral damage seemed to spray in some odd directions and to my, inexperienced, eye some of the FoFs seemed to spring fully formed from the minds of ArbComm. Irregardless, if I am the only editor who has been encouraging you to stand then the incidence of bastards in MilHist is higher than I thought and/or I was lucky to get the encouragement from you that I did. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

7 of one, 8 of another? - Muhammad VII of Granada[edit]

Would you please look in at 7 of one, 8 of another? where I mention that I'm totally confused by the several mentions of both 'VII' and 'VIII'? Thank you. Shenme (talk) 01:26, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018[edit]

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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced[edit]

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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced[edit]

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DYK for Battle of Neville's Cross[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 16 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Battle of Neville's Cross, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that during the Battle of Neville's Cross, King David II of Scotland was shot twice in the face by arrows and taken prisoner after knocking out the teeth of his captor? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Neville's Cross. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Battle of Neville's Cross), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Deportation of the Meskhetian Turks[edit]

Thank you for your attention. I appreciate your time to improve the article in any way. --3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 07:22, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

@3E1I5S8B9RF7: I am always happy to help improve well referenced and comprehensive articles. Please keep generating them.
If you have any queries regarding any of my edits, or don't understand why I have made a change, or consider - especially - that I have changed the meaning, please do not hesitate to flag it up, either here or on the article's talk page. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:29, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Dutch expedition to Valdivia[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 22 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dutch expedition to Valdivia, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the expedition to Valdivia seized and then abandoned the last Dutch possession on the Pacific coast of America? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dutch expedition to Valdivia. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Dutch expedition to Valdivia), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Good Article Barnstar[edit]

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Fantastic job promoting Dutch expedition to Valdivia to GA status and bring it to DYK! One of the best works I've seen at DYK in a long time. Happy editing, MX () 00:09, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

@MX: What a nice surprise. Thank you very much for the appreciation. And for the barn star. I only started nominating to DYK in February of this year (I only nominate GAs) and it is good to be reassured that I am getting it right. May all of your GAs be as appreciated. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 28th (Thames and Medway) Anti-Aircraft Brigade[edit]

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