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this is true from zdnet.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitopavlovivit (talkcontribs) 01:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Vitopavlovivit: Please see Help:Referencing for beginners for information on how to add citations to the article. All additions must be verifiable, and inline citations allow other editors and readers to verify. GorillaWarfare (talk) 02:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Auguste Piccard[edit]

Hello, I added the Auguste Piccard quote from the popular science magazine with citation. Can you please explain to me how this is misleading?

-Ben — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.253.15 (talk) 17:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello. There has been a campaign to add this quote to the page, because it has been misinterpreted by those who believe the earth is flat to support their theory. Without consensus, it should not be added. It's also poor placement for the quote—"in popular culture" sections are meant for things like references and allusions to the subject in fiction (as you can see by the other entries there), not for mentions of the actual person in history. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:00, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from as far as the quote and the placing of said quote in that specific category.

However, I believe the mention of Piccard and his flight detailed in the magazine placed in “references in pop culture“ is appropriate given that popular science is a widely accepted factual magazine. What the reader interprets after they leave Wikipedia shouldn’t be up to the page editor. I removed the quote. Why was the article removed after I removed the quote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.253.15 (talk) 19:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

If you would like to begin a section on the article talk page to discuss inclusion of the quote, be my guest. That is where you would gain consensus for its inclusion, not here.
Regarding inclusion of the Popular Science piece as a source, I agree that is appropriate, and it is already used as a source and appropriately quoted in the article. However, as I have already explained, you are misunderstanding the purposes of "In popular culture" sections. They are specifically for references to the subject in things like fiction — for example, that there is a Star Trek character based around Piccard. They are not for including actual non-fiction publications about the person themselves—those are used in the rest of the article as they are relevant to the encyclopedic content about the person.
I will disavail you of one thing: we do not include quotes that can be misleading (and have been used to mislead in the past) and then hope readers don't happen to misinterpret them, we avoid misleading quotes entirely: Quotations should be representative of the whole source document; editors should be very careful not to quote material out of context to avoid misrepresenting the meanings and intentions of the source. (WP:QUOTE).
Why was the article removed after I removed the quote? I'm not sure what you're asking here. The article is still at Auguste Piccard. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to clarify and explain the error of my ways ;) I have learned something. I did not realize the complexity involved with making a contribution. Are there any resources available to learn more?

-Ben — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.253.15 (talk) 23:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

WP:Getting started is a great list of things to help you get going, and WP:EYNTK is a good, quick primer. GorillaWarfare (talk) 00:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Some info about your username, which you may already know[edit]

Thank you for the thank-you, if that makes sense. The oldest pun I know of that relates to your username comes from Chapter 48 ("Wellington") in 1066 and All That (1930):

The second part of the Napoleonic War was fought in Spain and Portugal and was called the Gorilla War on account of the primitive Spanish method of fighting.

Wellington became so impatient with the slow movements of the French troops that he occupied himself drawing imaginary lines all over Portugal and thus marking off the fighting zone; he made a rule that defeats beyond these lines did not count, while any French army that came his side of them was out of bounds. Having thus insured himself against disaster, Wellington won startling victories at Devalera, Albumina, Salamanda, etc.

Rhythdybiau (talk) 23:41, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Huh, I didn't know! Thank you for that information, that's fascinating. That's quite a strategy of Wellington's. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Jack Posobiec[edit]

Hello, I'll see what I can do in terms of neutral items to add. I've found a book he wrote. I believe in letting the subjects speak for themselves regardless of their point of views' popularity. Wikipedia should point people to factual stuff that merits inclusion and reflects a fair presentation. Too many editors/volunteers are pushing or sneaking in their own political ideas and opinions in lately & ruining articles. Lmlmss44 (talk) 23:57, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

@Lmlmss44: Please refer to WP:ABOUTSELF—we can only use peoples' statements about themselves in very limited circumstances, and for very basic factual information. Posobeic is welcome to speak for himself, and clearly has done so by publishing a book, but Wikipedia will continue to reflect what is published in reliable sources as it is designed to do. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:59, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

That's what I meant. I'll look for things he's created and add them. However, because this guy is a conservative, my guess is that someone will most likely delete/revert any such valid additions. I don't know how to handle that if it occurs.Lmlmss44 (talk) 00:07, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

As long as you follow policy it should be fine. GorillaWarfare (talk) 00:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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I am more than acquainted with people being rude to me on this project, So sorry. Hope this kitten helps.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:04, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Back to form[edit]

Hi there, this user has continued in their previous form after their recent block. Would you agree reimposition is warranted? Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Mutt Lunker: Thanks for the heads up, I've blocked for a longer period. In the future you may find you get a quicker response by going to AIV than posting on the blocking admin's talk page—I was offline so am only just seeing this. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I was going for ease rather than speed on this occasion as I knew you were familiar with their antics, they weren't making a lot of edits and I knew I'd be able to keep an eye on them in the interim. If I'd thought it was urgent and had the time to do a proper report, I would have gone the AIV route. (Subtext, I may well give you a shout if they resume this MO after their block.) Again, grateful thanks. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
...which they have, with more baseless fiddling with nationality (interestingly the reverse of their previous contribution there) and the unexplained blanking of some text. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:17, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I've reblocked, this time for considerably longer. GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:41, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. 17:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Agro Nocerino Sarnese mishap[edit]

Hey GW. Sorry, I didn't look closely enough at the dates and somehow (somehow!) overlooked that you were already attending to this matter. Sorry for stepping on any toes. The new ANI report, which was bumped and which I had merged with the parent thread, is here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Justlettersandnumbers. Thanks and sorry, again. Regards, El_C 15:28, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@El C: Not a problem at all, your action looks appropriate to me and I'm glad someone stepped in to deal with the continuing issue. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
GW, thanks. That's a relief. Glad I could help and, as always, I appreciate your support. Best, El_C 19:11, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Edits needing approval[edit]

Could you approve the edits I made to Gab about how their website briefly went offline? Thanks! X-Editor (talk) 22:56, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@X-Editor: Done. I'm still wary of the Twitter stuff being included, since their Twitter goes offline all the time, but I guess if reliable sources think it's significant then it ought to be mentioned. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Article on incels[edit]

Hello, I think this could be useful to you for the incel wikipedia page: https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1238&context=commstudiespapers

It seems very thorough since it has a section from the origins of the online subculture in the section "Appropriation: From Alana to Elliot Rodger" (page eleven) to modern day

Thebetoof (talk) 12:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Ooh, thank you, that looks like a promising source! GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

I need guidance, please[edit]

UTRS appeal #40691. Smarter than me. Out of my depth. Need someone sharp. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

I've left my thoughts in a note on the appeal. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Babylon Bee Discussion[edit]

I had gone on vacation and hadn't realized the discussion had continued on past our initial responses. Sorry you had to handle all the angry IPs by yourself. Good edits btw, I'm not sure that came across in my comments, but wanted to make sure you knew I thought you did a great job managing all of it. Squatch347 (talk) 21:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

No worries, and thanks! For some reason the Bee and NewsBusters both noticed and drew attention to the talk page discussion, and NewsBusters in particular portrayed it as though Wikipedia editors were seriously considering removing the satire label. I think that's why the talk page has been more active than usual lately. GorillaWarfare (talk) 02:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


Jack Donovan page[edit]

I am trying to correct many defaming statements that exist on this page and update it with objective truths about the individual. As it stands, the page is poorly written and is set up to pain the image of someone the author is not. You have claimed some kind of authority over this page, which is incredibly brazen considering you are not Jack Donovan himself. I will continue to add my changes as they are NOT considered promotional. Listing someone's works and beliefs is not promoting them any more than any other author, artist, or musicians' Wiki page does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tactical Guitarist (talkcontribs) 21:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Tactical Guitarist: I am also trying to improve the page, but two wrongs do not make a right. The content you are trying to war into the article is egregiously promotional and also a copyright violation. Please do not restore it. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
@GorillaWarfare: Noted. Have you considered that the person in question has tried to dispute much of this information through the talk page? What exactly are you trying to correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tactical Guitarist (talkcontribs) 22:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
If you read the talk page, you will see where I have replied to him (and helped him verify his account). GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Your GorillaShip (Warship?) you may not have noticed the creation of an alternative copy of an existing article, at Jack Donovan (author). I took the liberty of redirecting it to Jack Donovan (writer), but only regretfully, as I particularly liked the phrases:
  • "seminal work on masculinity", and
  • "According to his website, Donovan "believes men and women are different. He also states: I believe men and women are different."
If you could see your way clear to incorporating them into Jack Donovan (writer), I think our readers will appreciate it. Well, at least some of them. --GRuban (talk) 22:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Sigh... those are more copyvios, which I've also had to tag in the page history of the existing article. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
A shame. I would have loved to WP:IAR for writing of such caliber, just reading it brought me great pleasure. --GRuban (talk) 22:23, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Both  Done. Black Kite (talk) 22:29, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
@GorillaWarfare: - My typos and poor referencing are an indication of my lack of experience editing on Wikipedia. I would still like to make contributions to this page. Might I start by simply adding a list of the author's published works? Or does a list somehow indicate promotion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tactical Guitarist (talkcontribs) 22:29, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
The issue was not typos and poor referencing, it was wholesale removal of sourced information which you replaced with copyrighted content. I would recommend slowing down and familiarizing yourself with our policies before trying to edit; I find WP:EYNTK is a useful primer, and Help:Getting started as well. I've already added a list of Donovan's books to the article, which I believe is complete. The amount of detail I've added is about as much as we can add without secondary reliable sources; otherwise it is undue coverage of the books. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
@GorillaWarfare: Will do. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tactical Guitarist (talkcontribs) 22:48, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
There are a bit more sources, actually:
If you don't put them in, I may get to it one of these days, but I wouldn't want to compete. Because, you know, https://web.archive.org/web/20140709235938/http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/21/there-is-no-honor-in-competition-with-women/ --GRuban (talk) 23:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, those are helpful links. I'm planning to go looking for some more sourcing tonight after finishing reviewing what's there already, but feel free to jump in anytime. GorillaWarfare (talk) 00:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
GorillaWarfare, you might also have a look at Bryan Johnson since you seem to be more in touch with this editor. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:40, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
@CommanderWaterford: Which one? GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:42, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
GorillaWarfare, Bryan Johanson is the right article, sorry, too early and no coffee CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:45, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Gotcha. I've gone ahead and PRODed the article as a wholly unreferenced BLP, but maybe Tactical Guitarist would be interested in trying to dig up some reliable, independent sources. Feel free to remove the PROD tag if you do. GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:57, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Jack Malebranche[edit]

I think we can get a very interesting article here. Donovan is quite the multifaceted individual. --GRuban (talk) 17:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

lulu.com/en/au/shop/jack-malebranche/for-the-carnal-connoisseur-lust-magazine-archives-2003-2006/ebook/product-16qpvgjy.html?page=1&pageSize=4 "In 2003, members of the Church of Satan launched Lust Magazine at www.sataniclust.com, intending to present a Satanic perspective on human sexuality. For the Carnal Connoisseur - Lust Magazine: The Archives 2003-2006 is a printed record of some of Lust’s best material, which includes interviews with renegade filmmaker Bruce LaBruce, Patrick Califia, as well as a carnal cornucopia of humorous and provocative essays, fiction and explorations of unusual fetishes and modes of human sexuality. A complete archive of Rev. Shiva Rodriguez’s popular “Carnal Sutra” sex advice column is included, as well as a selection of essays from Rev. Jack Malebranche’s seminal column “The Homosexual Warlock” that spawned his 2007 Scapegoat Publishing release, Androphilia." There's that word again...--GRuban (talk) 17:32, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
@GRuban: I made the redirect, but I didn't undelete. There's not much there in the deleted revisions—a few sentences, all unsourced, and mostly stuff already mentioned in the existing article. As for the Church of Satan, that's mentioned in the article already. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

February 2021[edit]

I noticed that you tagged Bryan Johanson with {{prod blp}} for proposed deletion. I have removed the tag from the article because it does not meet the criteria specified. The placement requirements are: (a) that subject is living, and (b) that the article contains no sources in any form (as references, external links, etc., reliable or otherwise) supporting any statements made about the person in the biography. Please note that this criterion is discrete from the one used after a proper placement of the tag, and fully read Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people before tagging articles for proposed deletion via this process. Thank you. Adam9007 (talk) 00:43, 26 February 2021 (UTC)